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>> Will: Music

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>> Sarah : Greetings Nerds, This is Scene N Nerd I'm your host, Sarah

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Belmont, and with me, as always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk

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How are you doing tonight, Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How you doing this Thursday evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm, doing all right. I'm here.

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>> Will: Yeah, I'm here as well. Looking forward to talking some

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Daredevil Born Again penultimate episode with you

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tonight.

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>> Sarah : Yep, yep, we will be talking about that.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : but first we have to go through

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some of these headlines, which

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include that the Last of Us has been

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officially renewed for a third season.

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I, I'm so shocked.

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I, I, I, like, this is

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one of the headlines that I just mock because

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I'm like, why do I feel like that's already

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been, like, happened

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or why that's already, that seed has

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been planted? Because I

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felt like coming off of the first season, a lot of the

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discussion was there's no way they can do the

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second game in one season. And I

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feel like we were told they're gonna stretch this

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across four seasons in total.

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>> Will: Yeah, I think, yeah, that's, I remember

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that, being, yeah, it was gonna be a four season thing,

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but I guess, you know, it was one of those things too. But they never

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officially like, approved the third season.

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>> Sarah : Right.

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>> Will: Even though, but, but at least we got it. You know, it's the

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little thing that most series do

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this these days anyway, with shows

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that, that we know are going to be like,

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are clear hits and so

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we got the word.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, well, yes and no. I

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mean, there's, there's been shows. Why do I feel like

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there was a recent show that got renewed for

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two seasons, like right away?

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>> Will: Yeah. Oh, yeah, actually, the one

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we're going to talk about later tonight, also, Spider man, your

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friendly neighborhood Spider man got renewed before for, seasons

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two and three before, before it even aired. So it does

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happen. And Star Trek. Yeah, Star Trek.

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Strange New Worlds has done that also.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. And, and Daredevil got renewed for its second

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season before it premiered.

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>> Will: Yep, yep, yep.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. So, so why the

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last of us waited so long? I don't know

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exactly. Do they

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remember the numbers that they did during the first season?

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I think they should have picked up on this sooner,

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but.

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>> Will: Exactly. But hey, I'm looking, I'm looking forward to

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us starting talking about it next week. It's, it's here, it's

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finally here to Sunday night.

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>> Sarah : It is, it will, few more days, a few

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more hours. and then later in the

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summer, we will finally resume our

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peacemaker discussion with its

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season two premiere on August

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21st.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. HBO this weekend I guess

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did their, I guess, second quarter sizzle

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reel. And yeah, had a little, little teaser

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there with Peacemaker. So we got our first

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shots of of season two. So looking,

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looking forward to that. And of course, I guess,

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I want to say I might be making this up or

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maybe I remember reading this somewhere some, some months back.

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But there is, I want to say there was an element of the

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upcoming Superman movie that is going to

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have a role in, in the second season

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of Peacemaker. So that's,

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that's why. Yeah, and that's why they're releasing it.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Didn't it didn't Soups

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kind of show up at the end of Peacemaker One?

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yeah, Justice League kind of.

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>> Will: It was the D.C. e. The

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DCEU. Justice League. Yeah, yeah, they all

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did. Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Interesting. I, I,

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I'm just gonna put this out here right now. If

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anybody spoils the opening credit

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sequence of Peacemaker Season 2,

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plague on your house.

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>> Will: Okay, we riot.

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>> Sarah : I, that is the one thing that shall

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not be spoiled until you turn on that

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first episode. Okay, so, so I'm also

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talking to James Gunn here. You better not let

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it scene of that be

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leaked into any of these trailers

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or promotional stuff. No, no, because the

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anticipation for Peacemaker Season 2

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opening credit sequence. Come on.

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>> Will: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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We cannot have that spoiled at all.

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>> Sarah : No, no, it's, it was too

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classic the first time and we know it's going to be

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something different, but man,

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all right. And that leads

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us to

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more rumors about Brad, Pitt's

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production company Plan B Entertainment is currently

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talking with the creators of Adolescence about a

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possible second season.

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What are your thoughts on this, Will?

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>> Will: I really hope they do not do this. I

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mean it, it, you know, it was a limited

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series. It's a, a solid

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story. the you know, the

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presidents, the co, presidents of Plan B

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did share that, when they were talking

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with the director Philip

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Bartini. and also, you know, Stephen Graham also was

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the co, creator of the show. they

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were looking to do something. A

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quote from the co President Gardner said that they were

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looking to widen the aperture, stay true to the,

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to the DNA and, and not be repetitive

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talking about season one. But

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then she didn't reveal too, of course she didn't reveal

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anything more about that. But

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honestly, this reminds me a lot of some of the discussions we

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had, last, last year, I guess last year about

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like Shogun, because originally it was Going

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to be a limited series. You know, it was only, you know, based on the one

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book and because it was ah, critical

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and an audience hit, the

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Hulu FX decided to make

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a second season. but honestly, even

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if they were to make Adolescence like a, an

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anthology or something, I, I,

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to me, you hit a home run with this show.

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I don't, I don't even, I don't, don't mess with

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it. I, I, like, you know, I just really think they should

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just stick with what's, stick with what they have and, and, and

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not, not mess with a good thing. But you know, Netflix

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will do what, what they're gonna do, so we'll see.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I, I'm

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torn. A, part of me agrees with you and a part of me is

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like, no, they, they could, they could

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totally do like

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there's so many things you could change. Like you could have it

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involved, be focused on, the female

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perspective and have like

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a girl do something. You could even change it

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to America, like the setting, you

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can, or, or a different part of Europe.

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environment and change the circumstance.

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I mean the act too, what happens,

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can totally be different. but

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they're gonna have to really be

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crafty and trying to figure out

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how exactly do you make it an anthology

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without like rinse and

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repeat. Yeah, like, like we

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don't want, and we definitely don't

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want to continue the current story like that,

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that's ended. The purpose of that story has

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ended. I don't want them to resume that

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at all. I don't think that's needed.

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they could tell there, there are

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plenty of stories to tell in terms of like

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the overall umbrella of

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adolescence as it currently

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stands in the world and

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given the social media of it all

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and other things, and other

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cultural changes. So,

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so I, I can, I can understand

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from a business perspective, of course, about

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why they would want to explore

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that. and, and I

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think that there are stories, but

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like, this isn't something that needs to be

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like. And in six months we need to start production on

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season two. Hell no. No,

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no. You, you're, you're literally have to go

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back.

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because, because I would, I would

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love to more, more

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time spent like another story

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in this format and

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exploring these ideas and it being so

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raw. but they just have to

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figure out what that angle would be. So. Yeah,

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yeah, I, I, I,

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if they can figure out the right story story,

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then by all means, like do it.

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But don't, don't just rinse and

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repeat. Like, that's all I'm saying.

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>> Will: Yeah, I completely, completely agree with you. yeah,

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you're right. I mean your counterpoints to mine

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are definitely really, really

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salient. because it, yeah, there are

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even, even the manosphere and toxic masculinity. There's

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things, the bullying that, you know, there's so many elements. And I

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do like the fact that you did say that, you know, could

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they tell this story from, from the

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victim's perspective?

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>> Sarah : Because, you know, not even the

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victim's perspective. I'm saying

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females are mean. Females are violent

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too. Like.

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>> Will: Oh, yeah, that's a good point.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, they get like. There's this lovely movie called

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Mean Girls. Yeah. Put that under

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adolescence. Okay.

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>> Will: Yeah, that's true. That is true.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. So

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the, the thing about adolescence as a,

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ah, show, they

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be it. They tapped

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into, they were able to find a way

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to take a, a child

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and put them in an adult

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world and talk about things

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where even there's moments when the child

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is like questioning the adults and saying, are we allowed to

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talk about this? But then again, that same child

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committed a very adult like

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act. and, and

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also because of social media is exposed

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to porn and, and sex and

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all of this stuff. But no, the moment an adult talks

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to you about it, it's like, whoa, whoa, I'm, I'm a kid

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here. You can't be doing that. Like,

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like those taboo subjects

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like you have, they have to

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figure out a way to to tell a

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story and, and get in.

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Like, it doesn't even have to be a murder. There could be, there

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could be other crimes or heinous

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actions. Of course.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : But there, there.

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I, I think I know that there are other stories

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to tell. Now granted,

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if it is, if they do do the switch up and

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tell it from, from a girl

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perspective, you gotta have a

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girl creator and writer involved.

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>> Will: Yes.

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>> Sarah : I, that's the other thing you're. And, and,

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and even race. Like, like if you switch

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white men, they can't be at the helm of that.

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will have if they, if they try

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to delve into those worlds.

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>> Will: Yeah, all, yeah, all great points,

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all great points. But yeah, I mean, but you know, this

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show, is, is, is definitely ah,

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has hit the zeitgeist. I mean, I think it's

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fourth all time now on on Netflix

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and as far as views

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and so. Yeah, yeah, I think all the things you

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just shared, I mean, those are excellent points as

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far as like, if they do decide to green light a second season

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and like you said, go explore things. Race and gender.

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you're, you're right. Or definitely we need to have the, you know, proper

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representation in the writer's room to make sure that it's an authentic

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story.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. And

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I, I have started the pit on

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Max. And I, honestly,

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it's weird. I don't know what episode I am at.

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I, I, I know I'm probably

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around episode five or six, I

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think. I forget what

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time I ended it. But, so, so

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in a future episode, I will share my overall

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thoughts once I finish the season.

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>> Will: Okay. Okay. That sounds, Yeah, I have been,

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that's one of those ones I have been like, I've been

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chewing on starting. So I might, I may, I, mean

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add, that to, to the watch list.

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>> Sarah : Do you know a lot about it? Because I've had so many

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scenes spoiled for me, so I do know, I.

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>> Will: Knew the, know the basic premise, but I haven't had anything. No

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spoilers.

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>> Sarah : No spoilers. Okay. I, I will

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forewarn you. I haven't gone into this episode and I

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honestly don't know when it occurs, but I do know there's an

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episode that features childbirth.

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And people are like, yeah, we did not

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need to see it. Did not, did not need to

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see it. And, and I even warned my,

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my brother and sister in law who are expecting, and I'm

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like, if you ever do watch it, just be warned to skip

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an episode that like, the moment somebody comes in pregnant,

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just be like, no, we're skipping this episode. Okay,

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okay. Because it just is a

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traumatic. That's what everyone has said

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watching that episode. Like, it's like,

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oh, oh, no, no, no,

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no. And, and a lot of

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medical experts have also said that

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from what I understand, out of all of the episodes, that

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episode in particular is the least

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realistic because of some of the things that

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happen. Everything else they applaud and they're

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like, this is the most realistic.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : it's also.

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See, I don't know what episode I'm at

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because I watched it, but I

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also was doing other stuff during it.

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>> Will: Fair enough. Fair enough.

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>> Sarah : Not. It's not an episode. It's not,

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it's not something where I'm like, oh, I have to

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watch everything. Especially because a lot of the stuff

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I'm like, I Don't want to watch that. I don't. I don't want

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to say that I'm not fast forwarding, but I'm

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also, like, zoning in and out.

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>> Will: Yeah, you're not dialed in. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. So I. I don't know

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if I would recommend it or not. I. I'm still a

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very much on the fence. but, yeah,

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anyways. All right, that brings us up

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to Daredevil, Born again, episode eight,

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Isle of Joy. At his inaugural.

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Inaugural Black and White Ball, Mayor Fisk

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tightens his grip on New York City.

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Parentheses and Vanessa.

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so

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I. I can. I have a problem with this

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episode.

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>> Will: Okay. I do. I do.

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>> Sarah : And the name is Dex.

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>> Sarah : I just. I think that's

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what ruined this episode for me, where

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I. I liked a lot of the stuff that was going

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on, but the prison break,

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I, was like, I don't. I don't like this.

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And then. And then the fact that it took him

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so he. He, like, he broke out

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of prison so easily. It was

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scary. It was just like. It wasn't

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scary. It was. It was

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cringe. And then he just so

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happens to get on the bus to leave and just

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immediately knows where Fisk and Vanessa will

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be. And like. Like, this is all

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seemingly happening, like,

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very close together, timeline wise.

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I'm just. I just. That. That whole

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thing took me out of it.

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and. And I don't know.

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The. The. The

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show had me, and

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it hasn't lost me. But

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I will say I am m. Not as on board

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as I was. Like, Sarah, say, episode two or three.

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>> Will: interesting.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, it's.

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>> Will: It's losing me because I had the exact

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opposite feeling.

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>> Sarah : Well, that's good.

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>> Will: Yeah. I mean, this week it was.

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Well, I think a couple of things. it definitely.

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I was locked in with this episode because I think it

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was. The writing for me was just so. I guess it kept

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me guessing as far as, like, where things were going to

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go. and. And also, I think

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tonally, this. I could

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definitely see the.

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The. This was the new ver.

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This is the version that. That after

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they came in and scrapped the original, well,

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almost a. Scrapped, I guess,

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retooled the original stuff. these

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two are. Are fresh episodes, whereas

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episodes, two through

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seven, are a, ah, m. Mix

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mishmash of the original

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stories that they were planning on telling.

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And then the. The new creative

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team spikes, it in there,

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the reshoots and everything in it.

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But for me, this episode was a nice

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bookend. It was a. It was what, a penultimate Episode should do,

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which is set. You know, we have. We've

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had all these various threads throughout the season

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come, to a head and, you know, and for

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me, as someone who did not watch the original,

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Netflix show, but I am familiar with

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the storyline as far as, you know, with, you know, the

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mats. You know, two biggest nemesis. As far as

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Bullseye and Fisk. It.

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I. I felt sufficiently like, paid off,

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especially given that also episode one was

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also done by the new creative team and we get the.

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The follow up to the events that happen there with.

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With Foggy and tying everything back to, you know,

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who. You know, who actually did order to hit on

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Foggy. So for me, all of

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those things really worked really well in this episode

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and. And for once. Whereas the other ones I like,

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I liked. But I wasn't like, locked in,

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you know, other. Other. Well, other than episode five

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as far as the, intervening episodes,

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this one was when I was really, like, locked in and really

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enjoyed.

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>> Sarah : Sorry, I'm just. I'm just blanking on where. Where you

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want to go from there.

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>> Will: I'll just give over my thoughts. No, I mean, I just.

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>> Sarah : I know. I. I know that. I just. I just don't.

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>> Will: Well, let's just jump in. Yeah, Well, I mean, I think we can just jump in

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chronologically as far as, like, what happened.

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>> Sarah : Break it down chronologically.

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>> Will: Well, if you want to. We can do. Or we can. Or we can

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do story beats. I don't. I mean, it's totally. I

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am. You. You are totally in the driver's seat.

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>> Sarah : I hate when you do this to me.

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Like, I had an idea of what I wanted to talk about,

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and then I lost it, but I. I lost

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it. Like, that's the thing. Like, that's. That's. That's

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what's happening is like, your overall thought took

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too long and I lost where I was gonna go,

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and I'm just like. I have no idea

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what to really, say

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here. So, Yeah. Yeah,

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I'm. I'm glad you liked it. and

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I, just. And I. I probably

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didn't like it.

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Yeah, so the whole. The whole Foggy of it

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all. Here's my problem. Like,

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and you brought up threads come coming together.

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Okay. Foggy's

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absence has been huge in this

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show, and. But his presence has been felt because

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of, like, Matt and the suit of it

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all. I am not being articulate tonight,

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but we're just gonna go with it.

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And so. So my

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problem is it's not like we

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spent this entire season like, who ordered the

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hit on Foggy? Who ordered that?

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No, that question. We've never talked about

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that at all. Because the

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first. The first scene of the first episode

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happens. Foggy dies, and then it's a year

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later. Like, and it feels like

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he. He's moved on. Well, like.

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But we know he hasn't. But yet at, no

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point between then and

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now, was it. Was he, like,

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questioning Cherry or. We never

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saw anything that they brought up in this episode

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between him and Cherry. About, like, we did all that

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research and we tried to figure it out, and we couldn't figure

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it out, and then they missed something

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and. And it just. It

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felt weird to me that, like, all of a

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sudden this is becoming a thing

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and. And how they get

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there, because how it took

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them more than a year to get there,

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that's a little like, I thought you guys would be

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better at that, because even I knew Fisk

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has been out of commission. Vanessa was in

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charge, so.

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But. But it just. It just felt

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weird to me that,

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like, we. We circled back around. I can

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understand why, but

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I just. It didn't feel to me like a, thread

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coming together necessarily,

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since it hadn't been a question question.

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And. And maybe it's just execution, because

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when we talk about Spider man,

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arguably a similar thing happens, but I felt

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like that. That, like, that

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was a good surprise and, like,

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revelation just because of how they

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executed it, versus here,

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where it just felt like, oh, now that we

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killed Muse, we need to

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resume this vendetta between

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him and Fisk. And.

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But. But also, be like, it

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wasn't. It really wasn't Fisk who called that shot. It was

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Vanessa. even though we have not been

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questioning that for purposes of this season at

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all.

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>> Will: M. Well, I. I will say that. I

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mean, as far as the Foggy of it all, I mean,

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so, yes, it has been a year, but I mean, but

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throughout that year, I mean, Matt has.

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I won't say, you know, we get. We

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get the early. Earlier in the season. You know, we.

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We have the. We have the trial.

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you know, Karen shows up, one year

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later. you know, we. We see. We see

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moments. Yeah. I mean, we're. You know, was

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the. You know, was like

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the. I think there have been, like, moments of, like, this

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maybe quite. You know, things being

511
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dropped. as far

512
00:23:49,272 --> 00:23:52,144
as, like, when I think. For example, when I think

513
00:23:52,168 --> 00:23:55,056
about the guy who, When Matt was representing, the guy who

514
00:23:55,064 --> 00:23:57,924
stole the, the. The candy, the pop candy

515
00:23:57,972 --> 00:24:00,852
from the. From the bodega. I mean,

516
00:24:00,956 --> 00:24:03,652
you know, there were questions about like, you know, justice

517
00:24:03,716 --> 00:24:04,532
and, you.

518
00:24:04,556 --> 00:24:07,428
>> Sarah : Know, that's not the same thing,

519
00:24:07,484 --> 00:24:07,796
though.

520
00:24:07,868 --> 00:24:10,612
>> Will: Well, no, but, no, but there was. There were, bro. There

521
00:24:10,636 --> 00:24:13,408
were. I won't. But there were elements throughout the season

522
00:24:13,464 --> 00:24:16,288
where Foggy's death did, like, show

523
00:24:16,344 --> 00:24:18,944
up. So it's not like it just came out of left field again is my

524
00:24:18,952 --> 00:24:21,760
point. I mean, there have been like, there, there have been like,

525
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,720
moments throughout the season where maybe not the. Whether

526
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,584
or not it was a hit that was ordered. I mean, that was the moment whenever

527
00:24:27,632 --> 00:24:30,528
they went, you know, they were at the, you know, Cherry and

528
00:24:30,584 --> 00:24:33,376
Josie when they went back at this, at the shop, when they started putting

529
00:24:33,408 --> 00:24:36,360
things together as far as what happened that night. But,

530
00:24:36,818 --> 00:24:39,810
you know, but there have been, but

531
00:24:39,850 --> 00:24:42,802
to say that it hasn't been there not

532
00:24:42,826 --> 00:24:45,550
been a part of the story at all is, I think it's a bit much.

533
00:24:47,370 --> 00:24:49,830
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah.

534
00:24:51,090 --> 00:24:53,090
m. What else do you want to talk about?

535
00:24:55,470 --> 00:24:58,230
I find it difficult because I, I,

536
00:24:58,350 --> 00:25:01,286
yeah, I, I, you already know my thoughts

537
00:25:01,318 --> 00:25:03,764
about this episode, so, so yeah. What do you want to

538
00:25:03,772 --> 00:25:04,452
highlight?

539
00:25:04,596 --> 00:25:07,524
>> Will: Oh, I mean, well, okay, well, let's highlight the, the night of

540
00:25:07,532 --> 00:25:09,956
the ball. I mean, I think that was, that's really the pivotal

541
00:25:09,988 --> 00:25:12,540
moment, as far as,

542
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,620
well, before we go there, I mean, let's,

543
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,840
since we were talking about Fisk and, and Vanessa and

544
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,640
hit and stuff, I mean, what do you, I mean, I guess they

545
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,506
quickly dispense with Adam, you know, just, sort

546
00:25:25,538 --> 00:25:28,370
of as we, as we see Matt and,

547
00:25:28,490 --> 00:25:31,450
and, and, and Wilson like both

548
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:35,730
get back through their, I guess, truer natures,

549
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,432
and, and all it, you

550
00:25:38,456 --> 00:25:41,376
know. You know, so we get that moment

551
00:25:41,408 --> 00:25:44,384
with Vanessa and Fisk and, and Adam where he's like,

552
00:25:44,392 --> 00:25:47,376
I got to show you a secret. And they go down and you know,

553
00:25:47,528 --> 00:25:49,888
he, he, Vanessa, like

554
00:25:49,944 --> 00:25:52,330
Pops, kills off Adam, but,

555
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,224
you know, just to sort of, again, drive things, drive

556
00:25:56,272 --> 00:25:58,730
things forward. But, you know, there was

557
00:25:58,770 --> 00:26:01,672
that, But I guess the other big highlight for

558
00:26:01,696 --> 00:26:04,472
me with, with the episode is I

559
00:26:04,496 --> 00:26:07,288
guess the, the ball

560
00:26:07,344 --> 00:26:10,250
itself. and just sort of, I mean, once as you,

561
00:26:10,290 --> 00:26:12,952
as you, as you started off, talking about Bullseye and his

562
00:26:12,976 --> 00:26:15,874
escape, showing up there and I guess just how, I

563
00:26:15,882 --> 00:26:18,818
mean, I guess the execution of, just basically how things sort

564
00:26:18,834 --> 00:26:20,840
of went down with, with

565
00:26:21,700 --> 00:26:24,680
the, with the dance and stuff, and, and the

566
00:26:24,816 --> 00:26:26,252
assassination attempt.

567
00:26:26,772 --> 00:26:29,726
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Which

568
00:26:29,894 --> 00:26:32,590
again, I mean, my

569
00:26:32,646 --> 00:26:35,134
point being is that they are

570
00:26:35,158 --> 00:26:37,934
deliberate to show you how many quote unquote,

571
00:26:37,998 --> 00:26:40,622
task force members are armed and just

572
00:26:40,662 --> 00:26:43,230
walking around this this ball

573
00:26:43,366 --> 00:26:46,042
and how. It's a very secure thing.

574
00:26:46,542 --> 00:26:48,722
Poindexter just walks in

575
00:26:50,702 --> 00:26:53,478
undetected. I just. We spent

576
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:56,390
20 minutes in this ball, and it was

577
00:26:56,446 --> 00:26:58,982
very clear to me. You saw all of the.

578
00:26:59,102 --> 00:27:02,088
The, wealthy people, and then you're. You're

579
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:04,616
watching task force members, like, With.

580
00:27:04,784 --> 00:27:07,784
With. Right. Like, guns. Sorry, I don't know

581
00:27:07,808 --> 00:27:10,132
the exact type of guns, but,

582
00:27:10,432 --> 00:27:13,202
like, they make it a

583
00:27:13,242 --> 00:27:15,986
point. And then Poindexter walks right in.

584
00:27:16,074 --> 00:27:18,962
It just. Things like that will take

585
00:27:19,002 --> 00:27:21,842
me so out of an episode. I can't.

586
00:27:22,002 --> 00:27:24,302
It just. It bothers me.

587
00:27:24,552 --> 00:27:26,092
where you.

588
00:27:29,272 --> 00:27:32,064
Yeah, like. Like, they. They made

589
00:27:32,088 --> 00:27:34,192
it so clear that

590
00:27:34,312 --> 00:27:37,296
Fisk, like, to the point where it

591
00:27:37,304 --> 00:27:40,224
was almost like, are you using these guys to

592
00:27:40,248 --> 00:27:42,516
even threaten the royal. The

593
00:27:42,664 --> 00:27:45,484
people? Which, to an extent, he was. He

594
00:27:45,508 --> 00:27:47,964
was leveraging that now.

595
00:27:48,148 --> 00:27:50,812
But again, point.

596
00:27:50,852 --> 00:27:53,548
Dexter just walks right in. So. So

597
00:27:53,620 --> 00:27:55,192
that. That took me out.

598
00:27:56,972 --> 00:27:59,812
And. And it was hard because I could see what they were

599
00:27:59,852 --> 00:28:02,838
doing with, With the relationships, whether it be

600
00:28:02,878 --> 00:28:04,538
Fisk and Vanessa

601
00:28:05,278 --> 00:28:07,868
or, Heather and Matt,

602
00:28:08,238 --> 00:28:11,050
which you planted a

603
00:28:11,074 --> 00:28:13,978
seed for me last week about the

604
00:28:14,018 --> 00:28:16,998
relationship with Heather and Matt, where

605
00:28:17,858 --> 00:28:20,330
this week I felt it even

606
00:28:20,434 --> 00:28:23,306
more, where I was just like, okay, I'm

607
00:28:23,322 --> 00:28:26,234
starting to see what. What will is. Because,

608
00:28:26,306 --> 00:28:29,194
like, one minute they're saying, I love you and

609
00:28:29,266 --> 00:28:32,122
get in their freak on, and next minute she's complaining

610
00:28:32,250 --> 00:28:35,194
because he's out all the time. And I'm like, wasn't

611
00:28:35,226 --> 00:28:38,176
it, like, one night? Like. Like,

612
00:28:38,232 --> 00:28:41,088
I don't. I don't. And. And it

613
00:28:41,128 --> 00:28:43,708
just felt quick in terms of

614
00:28:44,168 --> 00:28:45,788
the. The.

615
00:28:46,968 --> 00:28:49,744
Not in terms of their relationship, in terms

616
00:28:49,816 --> 00:28:52,416
of the conflict that

617
00:28:52,472 --> 00:28:55,424
suddenly became. Because she goes

618
00:28:55,456 --> 00:28:58,384
through this very traumatic experience with Muse

619
00:28:58,496 --> 00:29:01,392
slash Daredevil, and then

620
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,448
she, at the end of the previous episode, says, I think

621
00:29:04,488 --> 00:29:05,810
he said my name.

622
00:29:05,984 --> 00:29:06,478
>> Will: Yeah.

623
00:29:06,558 --> 00:29:09,438
>> Sarah : But then this episode, it's like, we're not

624
00:29:09,478 --> 00:29:12,446
gonna address that. We're gonna focus on the fact that

625
00:29:12,502 --> 00:29:15,502
she doesn't believe that Daredevil, like, saved

626
00:29:15,550 --> 00:29:17,638
her. And Daredevil's just,

627
00:29:17,944 --> 00:29:20,880
Like, I. I'm just thinking in my head, I was

628
00:29:20,904 --> 00:29:23,280
like, can we explore that a bit more? Because

629
00:29:23,384 --> 00:29:25,808
I. I would like to understand the

630
00:29:25,848 --> 00:29:27,552
doctor's logic here.

631
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:28,064
>> Will: Yeah.

632
00:29:28,096 --> 00:29:30,544
>> Sarah : Before I get invested.

633
00:29:30,656 --> 00:29:33,128
So. So they're doing stuff with her

634
00:29:33,168 --> 00:29:36,120
character in particular that is starting to

635
00:29:36,144 --> 00:29:38,216
be very inconsistent and. And

636
00:29:38,272 --> 00:29:39,148
rushed.

637
00:29:39,378 --> 00:29:42,270
>> Will: yeah, that was one thing too. As far as the. I

638
00:29:42,294 --> 00:29:44,846
guess, with. With

639
00:29:44,982 --> 00:29:47,838
their. Their. Their scene before with.

640
00:29:47,878 --> 00:29:50,542
With the ball and. And, you know,

641
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:53,262
so to that, you know, I was thinking about our

642
00:29:53,270 --> 00:29:56,058
conversation a little bit too, about, like, know, he

643
00:29:56,298 --> 00:29:59,170
you know, the, the straight. The

644
00:29:59,194 --> 00:30:02,130
strain in the relationship now because, you know, Matt's, you

645
00:30:02,154 --> 00:30:04,914
know, getting closer and closer to. To being,

646
00:30:05,066 --> 00:30:08,052
you know, going back to back you. He's back on the streets, being a

647
00:30:08,060 --> 00:30:10,892
vigilante again. and the.

648
00:30:10,980 --> 00:30:13,820
She's. And I guess to that point

649
00:30:13,844 --> 00:30:16,524
about you. I'm glad you brought up the, the. The

650
00:30:16,596 --> 00:30:19,372
Daredevil not saving her. And Yeah, I mean, he, you

651
00:30:19,380 --> 00:30:21,768
know, he did.

652
00:30:22,148 --> 00:30:25,148
Yeah, she, you know, he facilitated, you know, she, her

653
00:30:25,188 --> 00:30:28,016
being able to get that gun and popping off. Popping, off

654
00:30:28,072 --> 00:30:30,992
Muse. But I guess the bigger thing for me was just sort of

655
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,000
her. Her like, you

656
00:30:34,024 --> 00:30:36,388
know, basically equating,

657
00:30:36,808 --> 00:30:39,680
I guess the whole thing about the mask and you know, the bull, you

658
00:30:39,704 --> 00:30:42,258
know, and, and the What did you

659
00:30:42,298 --> 00:30:45,166
say? Oh gosh, I'm

660
00:30:45,182 --> 00:30:48,030
blanking on the exact terms, but I mean, she was.

661
00:30:48,054 --> 00:30:50,990
She was basically like lumping Matt, you know, all

662
00:30:51,014 --> 00:30:53,620
the vigilantes. you know, she was basically siding with

663
00:30:53,644 --> 00:30:56,612
Fiska's vision of like, why the vigilantes

664
00:30:56,660 --> 00:30:59,092
are a bad thing and basically supporting, you know, supporting

665
00:30:59,140 --> 00:31:02,100
Fiskus the efforts with the task force and stuff. And

666
00:31:02,124 --> 00:31:04,948
Matt's like, well, I just. I just like saved your.

667
00:31:04,988 --> 00:31:07,972
Saved your ass. And you're. Is this is how you treat us? And.

668
00:31:08,060 --> 00:31:10,678
And of course he can't like say

669
00:31:10,798 --> 00:31:13,734
that, you know, he's Daredevil at that moment because

670
00:31:13,806 --> 00:31:16,178
then she will even treat him like

671
00:31:16,478 --> 00:31:18,726
even more crazy than she already thinks

672
00:31:18,822 --> 00:31:21,750
vigilantes are. So. Yeah, so yeah, you

673
00:31:21,774 --> 00:31:24,358
know, it did try to create, you know, I guess

674
00:31:24,390 --> 00:31:26,602
a tension

675
00:31:27,102 --> 00:31:29,962
ratcheted up more in that m. Moment.

676
00:31:31,082 --> 00:31:31,890
>> Sarah : Yeah.

677
00:31:32,066 --> 00:31:34,514
>> Will: Yeah. Which I don't know if it felt. I don't know if it was like

678
00:31:34,538 --> 00:31:37,474
manufactured tension. I guess it was dramatic tension and just sort of

679
00:31:37,498 --> 00:31:40,184
like, okay, really like, I guess set things in

680
00:31:40,208 --> 00:31:42,856
motion for. For later in the episode as far as, you

681
00:31:42,864 --> 00:31:45,816
know, as far as like when we are at the ball. And I

682
00:31:45,824 --> 00:31:48,824
will say when Matt was at the ball and he, you know, he

683
00:31:48,848 --> 00:31:51,848
made the cardinal sin that. That people do

684
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,856
relationships is like, you know, whenever

685
00:31:54,904 --> 00:31:57,736
he was like listening in all this conversation I did have, I

686
00:31:57,744 --> 00:32:00,232
did laugh at that. Whenever, you know, whenever he was

687
00:32:00,272 --> 00:32:03,064
like, you know, they were trying. But he

688
00:32:03,088 --> 00:32:05,912
finally, you know, one, he got there late and they tried to like play it off

689
00:32:05,952 --> 00:32:08,570
like, oh, I'm just trying to be all fashionably. And then

690
00:32:08,626 --> 00:32:11,594
two, like whenever they were dancing and she was

691
00:32:11,618 --> 00:32:14,554
like talking to him and then he would like his head and you

692
00:32:14,578 --> 00:32:17,450
know, trying to hear what's going on and Stuff. And it's like, are you paying

693
00:32:17,466 --> 00:32:20,346
attention to me? And it's like, oh, yes, you're paying attention to you. I'm paying attention to

694
00:32:20,354 --> 00:32:23,306
you. I just thought that was. I mean, those, Those were the moments. I

695
00:32:23,314 --> 00:32:26,314
think that when I said why I really enjoyed the

696
00:32:26,338 --> 00:32:29,226
episode, it was just those, Those. Those true, like,

697
00:32:29,314 --> 00:32:32,282
human moments that you don't always see in. In this

698
00:32:32,322 --> 00:32:35,284
genre. Some from time to time that I thought was

699
00:32:35,308 --> 00:32:37,592
what. What helped set this episode apart.

700
00:32:38,652 --> 00:32:41,364
>> Sarah : Yeah, I didn't interpret

701
00:32:41,428 --> 00:32:43,892
those that way, but to each their

702
00:32:43,932 --> 00:32:46,742
own. they just felt like. To go back to the

703
00:32:46,782 --> 00:32:49,478
conversation you brought up initially between

704
00:32:49,550 --> 00:32:52,390
them and that dramatic tension,

705
00:32:52,566 --> 00:32:55,318
which did feel manufactured for me, and

706
00:32:55,390 --> 00:32:58,278
just feel like come out of nowhere because she was planning on writing

707
00:32:58,310 --> 00:33:01,310
a book about vigilantes and I thought she was on their

708
00:33:01,366 --> 00:33:04,318
side. So maybe I misinterpreted that book

709
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:06,958
storyline, but it just,

710
00:33:07,030 --> 00:33:09,582
it. They didn't spend enough time

711
00:33:09,702 --> 00:33:12,590
making me understand her perspective.

712
00:33:12,686 --> 00:33:15,486
So it didn't feel like it came out of left field that suddenly

713
00:33:15,534 --> 00:33:18,002
she's anti vigilantes.

714
00:33:18,422 --> 00:33:20,762
I think that was the flaw for me,

715
00:33:21,302 --> 00:33:23,470
among a few other things that I've already

716
00:33:23,526 --> 00:33:26,430
mentioned. but.

717
00:33:26,566 --> 00:33:29,192
But yeah, and then at the end of it,

718
00:33:29,142 --> 00:33:31,934
Poindexter, he kind of

719
00:33:31,974 --> 00:33:34,744
gets his mark. But, Matt jumps in the way and.

720
00:33:34,784 --> 00:33:37,564
And it's Matt on the floor bleeding,

721
00:33:37,564 --> 00:33:40,324
to quote unquote, apparent death.

722
00:33:40,274 --> 00:33:42,750
and Fisk, he saves

723
00:33:42,862 --> 00:33:45,406
fixed life, which was teased at the beginning of the

724
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:47,564
episode with conversation,

725
00:33:48,290 --> 00:33:51,244
between Max and Debt, Matt

726
00:33:51,324 --> 00:33:54,034
and Dex in the police, in

727
00:33:54,074 --> 00:33:56,028
the, the jail, the prison,

728
00:33:57,598 --> 00:34:00,470
about. I'm trying

729
00:34:00,494 --> 00:34:03,468
to find it. you know, in

730
00:34:03,508 --> 00:34:06,444
another life, you might be defending me, because that's

731
00:34:06,476 --> 00:34:09,436
what good men do. They defend their worst enemies. And he

732
00:34:09,492 --> 00:34:11,208
saved a fixed life.

733
00:34:16,078 --> 00:34:19,078
>> Will: Well, I think with that yawn, I think it's time to move on to

734
00:34:19,118 --> 00:34:20,098
starter man.

735
00:34:23,758 --> 00:34:26,550
>> Sarah : I mean, you. I'm. I'm so glad you

736
00:34:26,574 --> 00:34:29,018
were engaged, this

737
00:34:29,058 --> 00:34:31,754
episode. But, like, it just

738
00:34:31,826 --> 00:34:34,314
continued. Things that I

739
00:34:34,386 --> 00:34:37,150
found, I

740
00:34:37,174 --> 00:34:40,030
found off putting in the previous episode, and I

741
00:34:40,054 --> 00:34:42,624
was just like, I'm. This, is losing me. It's

742
00:34:42,672 --> 00:34:45,168
losing me. And. And like,

743
00:34:45,304 --> 00:34:47,820
like, also, I mean,

744
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,180
everyone has seen the set photos from season two.

745
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,400
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, we all know. I mean, we know.

746
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,024
Even though he, like, jumped out there. I guess it's a theory

747
00:34:57,072 --> 00:35:00,064
spiral for the finale before we move on. I mean, we. Yes,

748
00:35:00,112 --> 00:35:03,072
we know. Yeah, I mean, we know he's not gonna die.

749
00:35:03,136 --> 00:35:05,984
I mean, you know, jump. You know, he's taking a bullet

750
00:35:06,032 --> 00:35:08,910
for you know, he took a bullet for this. But,

751
00:35:09,130 --> 00:35:11,940
but yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's.

752
00:35:12,020 --> 00:35:14,772
I guess it's really. At this point, it's just like, okay,

753
00:35:14,916 --> 00:35:17,572
we've got the, you know, we've got

754
00:35:17,756 --> 00:35:20,708
the task force showing up, doing

755
00:35:20,764 --> 00:35:23,028
their thing, getting worse. you know,

756
00:35:23,164 --> 00:35:25,972
we, we, we, you

757
00:35:25,996 --> 00:35:28,948
know, we know Barenthal is going to show up again, so we

758
00:35:29,004 --> 00:35:31,956
figured the Punisher is going to show up in the finale to, like, you know, maybe

759
00:35:31,988 --> 00:35:34,822
take down the task force and stuff and basically

760
00:35:34,886 --> 00:35:37,734
be, you know, I guess Matt

761
00:35:37,782 --> 00:35:40,630
and maybe Poindexter will have one more showdown and,

762
00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:43,526
you know, and, and. And also the task force

763
00:35:43,558 --> 00:35:46,326
as well. So, you know, he's got, you know, he's. Matt's

764
00:35:46,358 --> 00:35:49,222
definitely going to be in a weaker state, so he's, you know, definitely makes

765
00:35:49,246 --> 00:35:51,862
sense for why Punisher is going to show up to help him

766
00:35:51,886 --> 00:35:52,450
out.

767
00:35:55,310 --> 00:35:57,130
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah.

768
00:35:58,110 --> 00:36:00,946
Potentially all of that. I don't watch the previous.

769
00:36:01,018 --> 00:36:01,986
I have no idea.

770
00:36:02,098 --> 00:36:04,994
>> Will: No, no, this is not from a preview. This is just me. Yeah,

771
00:36:05,042 --> 00:36:07,190
no, this is just me talking.

772
00:36:07,770 --> 00:36:10,696
>> Sarah : Yeah. all right, that brings us

773
00:36:10,768 --> 00:36:13,304
to the last three episodes of your friendly

774
00:36:13,352 --> 00:36:16,262
neighborhood Spider Man. I'm gonna go

775
00:36:16,286 --> 00:36:18,774
through the synopsis of each episode real quick.

776
00:36:18,862 --> 00:36:21,654
Episode eight, Tangled Web. Norman gives

777
00:36:21,702 --> 00:36:24,454
Spider man an ultimatum, causing Peter to do some

778
00:36:24,462 --> 00:36:27,106
soul searching. Episode, nine,

779
00:36:27,178 --> 00:36:28,350
Hero, or

780
00:36:30,890 --> 00:36:33,426
did I mistype Menace?

781
00:36:33,618 --> 00:36:36,546
Oh, that's hero of menace. Right. Spider man swings

782
00:36:36,578 --> 00:36:39,506
into action as Lonnie looks to settle a score

783
00:36:39,538 --> 00:36:42,418
and Norman visits an old friend. And episode 10,

784
00:36:42,474 --> 00:36:45,474
if this be My Destiny, Peter's insurance ship

785
00:36:45,522 --> 00:36:48,290
takes dart turn with the arrival of an unexpected

786
00:36:48,370 --> 00:36:51,036
visitor. and so I'm just gonna

787
00:36:51,068 --> 00:36:53,614
go to the.

788
00:36:53,782 --> 00:36:56,494
The point that I brought up earlier during the

789
00:36:56,502 --> 00:36:59,370
daredevil discussion. And,

790
00:37:00,070 --> 00:37:02,850
that this the season finale,

791
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:07,370
talk about a dark turn with the internship thing.

792
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:10,078
So we, we

793
00:37:10,134 --> 00:37:12,718
realize that. Or we find

794
00:37:12,774 --> 00:37:15,406
out, as Norman reveals

795
00:37:15,518 --> 00:37:17,774
to the interns, Project

796
00:37:17,862 --> 00:37:20,770
Monolith, which is a device

797
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:23,690
that's a gateway to outer space.

798
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:25,010
>> Will: Yeah.

799
00:37:25,830 --> 00:37:28,814
>> Sarah : Sorcerer supreme shows up. I

800
00:37:28,902 --> 00:37:31,806
still had no idea. I was like, oh, okay, we're

801
00:37:31,838 --> 00:37:34,734
seeing him again. And then you see the black Beast. And

802
00:37:34,742 --> 00:37:37,518
then. And then you're. You're like, oh, we're doing

803
00:37:37,574 --> 00:37:40,330
this again. And it wasn't until,

804
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:43,822
like, the. The portal really does open

805
00:37:43,926 --> 00:37:46,728
and those two fallen. That. It.

806
00:37:46,784 --> 00:37:49,500
That it. I figure out. Oh,

807
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,620
so you're telling me

808
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,320
Norman, like the

809
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,944
event we just watched, the events leading

810
00:37:57,992 --> 00:38:00,904
up to how he becomes

811
00:38:00,952 --> 00:38:01,720
Spider Man?

812
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:02,620
>> Will: Yep.

813
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,328
>> Sarah : It. It was done so well.

814
00:38:06,464 --> 00:38:09,110
>> Will: Yeah, Yeah, I was thinking. Or I was like, you know, Thinking like

815
00:38:09,150 --> 00:38:11,926
Oroboros Ouroboros, thinking back to, like, Loki

816
00:38:11,958 --> 00:38:12,850
Season 2.

817
00:38:13,260 --> 00:38:16,020
>> Sarah : Great. Great. And. And it's also

818
00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:18,884
just like Norman, who

819
00:38:18,972 --> 00:38:21,364
we. We find out, I think, in the previous

820
00:38:21,452 --> 00:38:24,260
episode, has one of his scientists

821
00:38:24,340 --> 00:38:26,596
working on a special project to

822
00:38:26,748 --> 00:38:29,732
replicate Spider Man's blood that he

823
00:38:29,756 --> 00:38:32,520
took from after the scorpion,

824
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:35,110
battle that Peter lost.

825
00:38:35,490 --> 00:38:38,394
And. But that same blood and

826
00:38:38,482 --> 00:38:41,052
replication is

827
00:38:41,156 --> 00:38:44,040
inputted into a spider that then

828
00:38:44,740 --> 00:38:46,720
bites. So Norman

829
00:38:47,140 --> 00:38:49,388
basically created Spider Man.

830
00:38:49,524 --> 00:38:51,612
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

831
00:38:51,676 --> 00:38:52,520
>> Sarah : I just,

832
00:38:55,180 --> 00:38:57,840
It was. It's done so well

833
00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:01,252
because it's. It's just a

834
00:39:01,276 --> 00:39:04,164
great magic trick of like,

835
00:39:04,252 --> 00:39:07,020
this event happens, and you just

836
00:39:07,060 --> 00:39:09,852
take it for what it is at the beginning of the.

837
00:39:09,956 --> 00:39:12,748
Of the season. And at no

838
00:39:12,804 --> 00:39:15,580
point are you thinking like, oh,

839
00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:17,640
this is gonna tie back around.

840
00:39:19,220 --> 00:39:21,468
It's just not a thought. It's like that

841
00:39:21,524 --> 00:39:24,464
happened. This is, We're not gonna play with time

842
00:39:24,552 --> 00:39:26,912
here, but. And.

843
00:39:27,016 --> 00:39:29,696
And you're also developing

844
00:39:29,808 --> 00:39:31,580
this dynamic between.

845
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,104
Between Norman and Peter. Now, granted, any.

846
00:39:35,192 --> 00:39:38,144
Anyone who knows Spider man knows Norman

847
00:39:38,192 --> 00:39:41,168
can never be fully trusted. But you

848
00:39:41,224 --> 00:39:44,060
also, like, you understand

849
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,328
why through

850
00:39:47,384 --> 00:39:50,368
these course, these courts of events, like, he is

851
00:39:50,424 --> 00:39:52,992
so willing, especially because of

852
00:39:53,176 --> 00:39:55,776
that. The nod to

853
00:39:55,928 --> 00:39:58,698
the Iron man and Spider man

854
00:39:58,754 --> 00:40:01,070
relationship. We know from the MCU

855
00:40:01,410 --> 00:40:04,404
that that is, paralleled at the

856
00:40:04,412 --> 00:40:07,108
very beginning of them meeting in. In that

857
00:40:07,164 --> 00:40:09,908
first episode. So it's just

858
00:40:10,044 --> 00:40:12,612
I. I really applaud

859
00:40:12,676 --> 00:40:14,810
them for, such a.

860
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:18,382
Such a good arc in that sense. I

861
00:40:18,406 --> 00:40:19,918
mean, these last three

862
00:40:19,974 --> 00:40:23,228
episodes

863
00:40:23,354 --> 00:40:26,280
revved everything up. And then I think in the. The

864
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,320
last episode, they really had to be

865
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,296
like, okay, Monolith showing you

866
00:40:32,368 --> 00:40:35,048
what the. What the game plan is. And now we're

867
00:40:35,064 --> 00:40:37,912
gonna lead. Leave all of these loose

868
00:40:37,976 --> 00:40:38,860
ends,

869
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:43,480
but. But not really loose ends. Like, they

870
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,280
are untied, but they're also like,

871
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,108
yeah, this is now, where

872
00:40:49,164 --> 00:40:52,132
we're. Where this character could go moving

873
00:40:52,196 --> 00:40:55,108
forward. As we see Nico with her medallion.

874
00:40:55,204 --> 00:40:57,940
And, through the course of these episodes,

875
00:40:58,020 --> 00:41:00,280
Lonnie. Lonnie,

876
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,100
becomes something else.

877
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,040
>> Will: Starting to. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was. I guess that was

878
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,936
the. Was that episode nine.

879
00:41:13,008 --> 00:41:15,672
Eight or nine where he, like, he gets exposed to the

880
00:41:15,696 --> 00:41:16,430
chemicals?

881
00:41:17,490 --> 00:41:19,178
>> Sarah : It's episode eight.

882
00:41:19,314 --> 00:41:22,186
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so, yeah, because he,

883
00:41:22,274 --> 00:41:25,130
you know, he is Tombstone. But of course, you know, whenever we. We.

884
00:41:25,186 --> 00:41:27,802
We see like, the. The. The pink. The. The gray

885
00:41:27,882 --> 00:41:30,492
fingertips, after he's exposed to.

886
00:41:30,612 --> 00:41:33,198
To the. To the chemicals, which, you know,

887
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:36,142
ultimately Tombstone does, you know, hold

888
00:41:36,182 --> 00:41:39,054
his whole body. You know, he looks like that.

889
00:41:39,078 --> 00:41:42,034
But, you know, we see the super. The super strength and

890
00:41:42,198 --> 00:41:44,782
everything. And I did, like, The. I did like the showdown,

891
00:41:45,502 --> 00:41:47,354
with, With Peter and

892
00:41:48,054 --> 00:41:51,006
two and Tombstone, whatever, whenever they were fighting the gang. And

893
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:53,790
also, you know, how. How. Basically how Tombstone

894
00:41:53,822 --> 00:41:56,670
becomes the leader of the gang because, the. The original gang

895
00:41:56,702 --> 00:41:59,470
leader, like, you know, he chickens out whenever. Whenever things

896
00:41:59,542 --> 00:42:02,382
gets rough. And. And so that, you know, so it's

897
00:42:02,398 --> 00:42:04,974
just to your point, about threads, and

898
00:42:05,094 --> 00:42:05,754
being,

899
00:42:07,534 --> 00:42:10,444
woven and everything. you know, we. As we

900
00:42:10,484 --> 00:42:13,338
talked about earlier in the episode tonight, you know, we

901
00:42:13,346 --> 00:42:16,058
do know that we'll have seasons two and three.

902
00:42:16,146 --> 00:42:19,082
So, you know, we're seeing all the foundational things as far as

903
00:42:19,138 --> 00:42:21,454
this Spider Man's rogues gallery,

904
00:42:22,204 --> 00:42:24,996
being developed here when. When, you know, as

905
00:42:25,180 --> 00:42:27,960
I guess in year one, of Peter having the problem

906
00:42:28,022 --> 00:42:29,252
having his powers.

907
00:42:29,428 --> 00:42:32,228
>> Sarah : And it's also. It's not having a villain

908
00:42:32,276 --> 00:42:34,964
for the sake of having a villain. I mean, with

909
00:42:35,004 --> 00:42:37,748
Lonnie. I mean, you already brought

910
00:42:37,796 --> 00:42:40,586
up the. The car, Well, not the

911
00:42:40,610 --> 00:42:43,258
truck hijacking event. And

912
00:42:43,346 --> 00:42:45,930
really it's not Spider man versus

913
00:42:45,962 --> 00:42:48,874
Lonnie at all in that. It's. It

914
00:42:48,914 --> 00:42:51,898
turns into Spider man and Lonnie

915
00:42:52,026 --> 00:42:54,994
working together against sp. Scorpion because he

916
00:42:55,034 --> 00:42:57,970
shows up. And. And in that

917
00:42:58,042 --> 00:43:00,754
moment when Scorpion comes

918
00:43:00,794 --> 00:43:03,554
up, Dre is just like. Or

919
00:43:03,594 --> 00:43:05,276
Dom is like, I'm, out.

920
00:43:05,428 --> 00:43:06,160
>> Will: Yep.

921
00:43:07,380 --> 00:43:09,628
>> Sarah : And. And that causes

922
00:43:09,724 --> 00:43:12,636
Lonnie to. To be like, no,

923
00:43:12,788 --> 00:43:15,388
that I don't. They need someone

924
00:43:15,444 --> 00:43:17,560
else. I will say

925
00:43:18,180 --> 00:43:21,108
the one, One of my critiques about this

926
00:43:21,164 --> 00:43:23,668
show, it's not a big

927
00:43:23,724 --> 00:43:26,468
one, is I do feel like with

928
00:43:26,524 --> 00:43:29,380
Lonnie, it. It was

929
00:43:29,420 --> 00:43:32,388
a bit rushed for me where he went from

930
00:43:32,444 --> 00:43:35,188
being like a. An

931
00:43:35,244 --> 00:43:38,004
athlete, student and very

932
00:43:38,092 --> 00:43:41,028
much like on the straight

933
00:43:41,044 --> 00:43:43,844
and narrow to. Yes,

934
00:43:43,892 --> 00:43:46,840
I understand He. He gave.

935
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:49,860
He gave up. he took the place of his

936
00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:52,596
brother. I totally understand that. But

937
00:43:52,668 --> 00:43:55,460
then after that, when he.

938
00:43:55,580 --> 00:43:58,260
When he. The. The quickness

939
00:43:58,340 --> 00:44:01,300
came from the loyalty he had with the other

940
00:44:01,420 --> 00:44:04,340
members of the game, like, it just. It

941
00:44:04,380 --> 00:44:07,302
felt. It felt a bit abrupt. and I felt very

942
00:44:07,326 --> 00:44:10,134
much like Pearl, like, what are you doing? Yeah,

943
00:44:10,182 --> 00:44:11,250
I don't understand.

944
00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:14,274
>> Will: Yeah, I mean, yeah, they saved you from the Scorpion

945
00:44:14,322 --> 00:44:17,298
gang, but. Yeah, but.

946
00:44:17,354 --> 00:44:20,226
Yeah, I mean, but for him to falls, you're

947
00:44:20,258 --> 00:44:23,010
right. But it was a very haste, hastily,

948
00:44:23,420 --> 00:44:25,680
descent into, like, you know,

949
00:44:26,860 --> 00:44:29,796
fall from grace for. For him, for sure. Yeah, I.

950
00:44:29,868 --> 00:44:32,628
I would agree with that. One critique for me was just.

951
00:44:32,764 --> 00:44:35,556
I felt like they. I don't know if it's

952
00:44:35,588 --> 00:44:38,148
critique or. Or just

953
00:44:38,204 --> 00:44:41,044
like. And, Maybe it

954
00:44:41,052 --> 00:44:43,940
was. Maybe it's not a critique. It's just more like it was a

955
00:44:43,980 --> 00:44:46,852
beat That I, that with Peter, all the

956
00:44:46,876 --> 00:44:49,280
adults just like throwing too much,

957
00:44:50,860 --> 00:44:53,652
like more maybe the

958
00:44:53,676 --> 00:44:56,244
adults not being helpful to Peter because

959
00:44:56,332 --> 00:44:59,130
especially, you know, he as as

960
00:44:59,170 --> 00:45:02,122
we see him get, you know, try to

961
00:45:02,146 --> 00:45:05,098
balance being Spider man and being a teenager and

962
00:45:05,154 --> 00:45:08,050
working at the internship. I mean, poor Peter was like,

963
00:45:08,050 --> 00:45:10,928
ah, pulled in a thousand different directions, you know, so

964
00:45:11,064 --> 00:45:13,920
where, you know, it does cost, you know, it does

965
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,620
cause a strain on his friendships and

966
00:45:17,060 --> 00:45:19,982
he's strained on himself. I mean when he just like has the, you know, has

967
00:45:20,006 --> 00:45:22,958
the moment there with May and, and you know, May's just like you're

968
00:45:22,974 --> 00:45:25,822
stronger than you think you are. And, and then of course when he like

969
00:45:25,846 --> 00:45:28,750
goes to Norman, Norman gives him, you know, does the,

970
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:29,662
with great power.

971
00:45:29,766 --> 00:45:31,690
>> Sarah : You know, it's great respect.

972
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:32,942
>> Will: Yep, exactly.

973
00:45:33,006 --> 00:45:35,918
>> Sarah : I, I, I hear what you're saying and I think you're right.

974
00:45:35,974 --> 00:45:38,700
I think that, that it almost

975
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,198
by by having Peter

976
00:45:42,326 --> 00:45:44,918
engage with so many adults and, and

977
00:45:45,006 --> 00:45:47,314
them not really utilize May,

978
00:45:49,624 --> 00:45:52,368
they, he comes off so much

979
00:45:52,456 --> 00:45:55,024
older than a teenager in high

980
00:45:55,064 --> 00:45:55,552
school.

981
00:45:55,688 --> 00:45:56,432
>> Will: Yeah.

982
00:45:56,608 --> 00:45:59,296
>> Sarah : And that's kind of the disconnect there

983
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,256
where like, and, and especially when you

984
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,120
bring in a character like Harry who, yes, it's

985
00:46:05,152 --> 00:46:08,016
explained he has tutors and he doesn't go to high school

986
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,944
and all this stuff. Again though, you're kind of

987
00:46:10,984 --> 00:46:13,664
like these characters between him,

988
00:46:13,784 --> 00:46:16,736
Nico and Harry are supposed to be teenagers in

989
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,696
high school and, and even Lonnie.

990
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,576
And yet they, they seem

991
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,520
like they, they, they don't have those

992
00:46:25,592 --> 00:46:28,592
same pressures and they seem like they're

993
00:46:28,608 --> 00:46:31,608
in college. The way they go about

994
00:46:31,696 --> 00:46:34,552
things, it just the, it's not

995
00:46:34,608 --> 00:46:37,096
matching. And I, and I think why

996
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,976
you, you bring, or you saw it now

997
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,920
especially is because yes, that was a very good,

998
00:46:42,992 --> 00:46:45,608
nice scene between Peter and May,

999
00:46:45,776 --> 00:46:48,520
but I felt like that was the first scene we've

1000
00:46:48,552 --> 00:46:51,480
had all season and we really

1001
00:46:51,552 --> 00:46:53,444
should have had more. Now

1002
00:46:54,304 --> 00:46:57,082
that was a great reveal at the end of the

1003
00:46:57,208 --> 00:47:00,070
first episode about, and,

1004
00:47:00,142 --> 00:47:03,064
and I, I was thinking about this earlier. I was like,

1005
00:47:03,014 --> 00:47:06,012
man, that really is a good reveal. So we find

1006
00:47:06,068 --> 00:47:08,796
out at the end of the episode that or at the end of the

1007
00:47:08,820 --> 00:47:11,452
season that May goes and visits

1008
00:47:11,548 --> 00:47:13,344
Peter's dad in jail.

1009
00:47:14,324 --> 00:47:15,184
>> Will: Yep.

1010
00:47:15,764 --> 00:47:18,396
>> Sarah : And, and so

1011
00:47:18,580 --> 00:47:21,420
I, I was thinking about it earlier today

1012
00:47:21,492 --> 00:47:24,114
and I was like, wait a second. So

1013
00:47:24,154 --> 00:47:27,106
that's why when Nico and

1014
00:47:27,130 --> 00:47:30,114
Harry were over, Peter brings up that all

1015
00:47:30,154 --> 00:47:31,654
their moms are dead.

1016
00:47:32,714 --> 00:47:35,314
Because my first thought actually, I

1017
00:47:35,354 --> 00:47:38,274
remember I clocked that and

1018
00:47:38,314 --> 00:47:41,154
I was thinking about it at the time. I'm like, wow.

1019
00:47:41,234 --> 00:47:43,586
But, but Peter aren't You an orphan?

1020
00:47:43,650 --> 00:47:44,482
Orphan?

1021
00:47:44,658 --> 00:47:45,938
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1022
00:47:45,986 --> 00:47:48,946
>> Sarah : Like what? Yeah,

1023
00:47:49,010 --> 00:47:51,852
yeah, the dad is still alive and they, they

1024
00:47:51,908 --> 00:47:54,824
kind of subconsciously planted that

1025
00:47:55,284 --> 00:47:57,516
a few episodes ahead of time.

1026
00:47:57,700 --> 00:48:00,684
So, so it,

1027
00:48:00,804 --> 00:48:03,644
like things were there to

1028
00:48:03,684 --> 00:48:06,618
pick up on. but. But I thought that was

1029
00:48:06,706 --> 00:48:09,404
really interesting. and good. And good,

1030
00:48:09,354 --> 00:48:11,778
planning for. For that reveal at the

1031
00:48:11,818 --> 00:48:14,756
end. which just again, which, which is

1032
00:48:14,812 --> 00:48:16,048
something like.

1033
00:48:17,328 --> 00:48:20,056
But all of the other decisions like these.

1034
00:48:20,112 --> 00:48:22,728
Again, this. It's not a

1035
00:48:22,768 --> 00:48:25,560
reboot. It's. It's just a retelling. It's.

1036
00:48:25,624 --> 00:48:28,440
It's. You're taking. There's

1037
00:48:28,504 --> 00:48:31,108
something so familiar about this show

1038
00:48:31,888 --> 00:48:34,888
and, and yet it is definitely

1039
00:48:34,968 --> 00:48:37,432
telling its own version of events.

1040
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,376
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, I know we talked

1041
00:48:40,392 --> 00:48:43,272
about that I think last week where. Yeah, it is,

1042
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,242
it is. You know, it's taking elements. I

1043
00:48:46,250 --> 00:48:49,170
mean even, you know, even like we, we did get a. At

1044
00:48:49,194 --> 00:48:52,050
the very end and it was a blink if you miss it. You know, we get the

1045
00:48:52,074 --> 00:48:54,982
watcher from what if you know, whenever

1046
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:57,788
he and Stephen Strange have their you know, little

1047
00:48:58,648 --> 00:49:01,388
send all goodbye there and you know,

1048
00:49:01,768 --> 00:49:04,668
so I was like, yeah, you know, it is

1049
00:49:05,208 --> 00:49:06,668
reminding us that,

1050
00:49:09,298 --> 00:49:12,186
that we are still in the multiverse saga and we're

1051
00:49:12,202 --> 00:49:14,666
just seeing another part of the multiverse here. And.

1052
00:49:14,722 --> 00:49:17,722
Yeah, and. And this is, and this is a

1053
00:49:17,730 --> 00:49:19,758
multiverse story that actually works.

1054
00:49:20,738 --> 00:49:23,578
>> Sarah : Right, right. Which I mean, granted

1055
00:49:23,658 --> 00:49:26,610
the the no Way Home was

1056
00:49:26,634 --> 00:49:29,330
also a Multiverse story. That worked too, I

1057
00:49:29,354 --> 00:49:32,130
guess. Spider man knows how to tell the multiverse.

1058
00:49:32,194 --> 00:49:34,138
>> Will: They do. Yeah, they do.

1059
00:49:35,478 --> 00:49:38,430
>> Sarah : Granted, they play in their own. They, they play in

1060
00:49:38,454 --> 00:49:41,358
their own sandbox too with the multiverse. I think that

1061
00:49:41,398 --> 00:49:43,908
says something. but they,

1062
00:49:45,248 --> 00:49:47,708
and there's. Into the spider verse.

1063
00:49:48,208 --> 00:49:49,768
>> Will: Yeah. Eventually.

1064
00:49:49,928 --> 00:49:52,808
>> Sarah : I don't know what it is about this property that

1065
00:49:52,848 --> 00:49:54,952
allows it to be so

1066
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,784
adaptable to the multiverse. But.

1067
00:49:57,936 --> 00:50:00,912
But yeah, I think it's just because

1068
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,712
of how from how many different

1069
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,256
versions and store and the

1070
00:50:06,312 --> 00:50:08,800
story has been told

1071
00:50:08,984 --> 00:50:11,968
that there is something about it

1072
00:50:12,008 --> 00:50:14,256
that they continue to find ways to

1073
00:50:14,312 --> 00:50:16,708
reinvent reimagine

1074
00:50:17,128 --> 00:50:19,008
and it doesn't feel stale.

1075
00:50:19,168 --> 00:50:20,272
>> Will: Exactly. Exactly.

1076
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,264
>> Sarah : Now granted, Sony has released a trash

1077
00:50:23,376 --> 00:50:26,150
load of projects that don't feature Spider

1078
00:50:26,214 --> 00:50:28,726
man, but that's, that's just

1079
00:50:28,782 --> 00:50:31,702
because one plus one doesn't equal

1080
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:33,366
two automatically.

1081
00:50:33,542 --> 00:50:36,454
>> Will: Exactly. Exactly. But yeah, but yeah, but Sony,

1082
00:50:36,486 --> 00:50:39,478
you know, and ah, Sony has done a good

1083
00:50:39,518 --> 00:50:42,180
job with Spidey, in every iteration that they've had

1084
00:50:42,204 --> 00:50:42,768
him.

1085
00:50:43,308 --> 00:50:46,206
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. and,

1086
00:50:46,262 --> 00:50:48,924
and we even, they even. And I'm not

1087
00:50:48,996 --> 00:50:51,834
familiar with this character, but, but We.

1088
00:50:51,906 --> 00:50:54,778
We Circle back to even Daredevil.

1089
00:50:54,858 --> 00:50:57,786
He returns in this episode and we

1090
00:50:57,842 --> 00:51:00,478
see that another intern, Jean,

1091
00:51:01,048 --> 00:51:03,830
is finesse. And, she has been

1092
00:51:03,886 --> 00:51:06,838
spying on Norman. And it looks like next season

1093
00:51:06,910 --> 00:51:09,670
she'll be spying on Harry, too.

1094
00:51:09,806 --> 00:51:12,806
So like, like,

1095
00:51:12,974 --> 00:51:15,734
again, there are things that happened

1096
00:51:15,798 --> 00:51:18,734
earlier in the season that. And I

1097
00:51:18,758 --> 00:51:21,758
think also because I don't

1098
00:51:21,790 --> 00:51:24,734
remember the exact release order of these episodes,

1099
00:51:24,798 --> 00:51:27,758
I know they were in batches very similar to how

1100
00:51:27,830 --> 00:51:30,654
we have broken it up. And I

1101
00:51:30,678 --> 00:51:33,550
think that's why a lot of the

1102
00:51:33,606 --> 00:51:36,238
connective tissue feels

1103
00:51:36,270 --> 00:51:39,242
stronger because you're not going week to week

1104
00:51:39,942 --> 00:51:42,830
and. And the arcs feel much more

1105
00:51:42,886 --> 00:51:45,848
complete because like, you are

1106
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,172
watching them in a full arc.

1107
00:51:48,472 --> 00:51:51,462
and you like. Yes,

1108
00:51:51,962 --> 00:51:54,946
the previous arc ended with After

1109
00:51:55,034 --> 00:51:57,906
Scorpion versus Spider man. And.

1110
00:51:57,994 --> 00:52:00,568
And the first two episodes of the last

1111
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,400
three feature very much like Harry or

1112
00:52:03,456 --> 00:52:06,360
Peter trying to deal with

1113
00:52:06,496 --> 00:52:09,458
losing in battle and. And. And

1114
00:52:09,610 --> 00:52:12,050
regaining strength and trying to figure out,

1115
00:52:12,106 --> 00:52:14,994
well, like the doubting that

1116
00:52:15,018 --> 00:52:17,922
occurs of that and. And also kind

1117
00:52:17,962 --> 00:52:20,888
of some ptsd. but he gets. He gets

1118
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,732
his stuff together, granted.

1119
00:52:24,352 --> 00:52:25,132
>> Will: Yeah.

1120
00:52:25,632 --> 00:52:28,328
>> Sarah : I mean, you brought it up before the whole respect

1121
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,320
line. I was just like, they're going

1122
00:52:31,376 --> 00:52:33,932
there. No, they're not. Thank God.

1123
00:52:35,542 --> 00:52:38,302
>> Will: I was like, yeah, because as soon as the c. As soon as

1124
00:52:38,422 --> 00:52:41,400
Norman started going there, I was just like, oh. and then he was

1125
00:52:41,424 --> 00:52:43,748
like, with respect. And I was just like,

1126
00:52:44,368 --> 00:52:46,548
okay. No,

1127
00:52:47,168 --> 00:52:49,976
did a twist on it. And it's completely,

1128
00:52:50,072 --> 00:52:52,712
you know, Norman read the room. You gotta.

1129
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,800
You know. But. But it really. It goes to like, again, to

1130
00:52:55,824 --> 00:52:58,824
show the selfishness of Mormon. And you know, he's just using Peter

1131
00:52:58,856 --> 00:53:01,646
as it means to an end. and, you know,

1132
00:53:01,702 --> 00:53:03,858
so serious.

1133
00:53:04,198 --> 00:53:05,582
Yeah. So was that.

1134
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:08,622
>> Sarah : And then, yeah, like his conversation with Doc

1135
00:53:08,670 --> 00:53:09,198
Ock.

1136
00:53:09,278 --> 00:53:11,726
>> Will: Oh, yeah, I was about to go there. Yeah, that's exactly what I was about

1137
00:53:11,782 --> 00:53:14,734
to. About to segue to was his, ah, conversation

1138
00:53:14,766 --> 00:53:17,724
with Doc Ock and and their rival.

1139
00:53:17,836 --> 00:53:20,304
Their history and rivalry and stuff.

1140
00:53:20,336 --> 00:53:23,244
And Yeah, I mean, it's just

1141
00:53:23,316 --> 00:53:26,108
everything about Norman is just like. Just, you know, it's

1142
00:53:26,268 --> 00:53:29,142
as we. As we know, we will eventually

1143
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:32,190
be, you know, become the Goblin and. And I like the way

1144
00:53:32,214 --> 00:53:34,798
that they're. You know, even

1145
00:53:34,838 --> 00:53:37,294
from. And to your point about how earlier

1146
00:53:37,366 --> 00:53:40,078
episodes planted the seed, you know, we. We

1147
00:53:40,118 --> 00:53:42,990
saw the. So about it. You know, we saw the.

1148
00:53:43,094 --> 00:53:46,030
The selfishness of Norman and where, you know, and what angle is he.

1149
00:53:46,054 --> 00:53:48,782
What's this? What's the angle here for why he has such a

1150
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:51,744
fascination with Peter after he sees him? They're

1151
00:53:51,776 --> 00:53:54,010
in a Stairwell. and. And we get that

1152
00:53:54,034 --> 00:53:56,668
payoff, you know, with, him,

1153
00:53:56,708 --> 00:53:59,580
like. Yeah, with the spider. And. And

1154
00:53:59,604 --> 00:54:02,574
of course, you know, back. You know, he does end up

1155
00:54:02,646 --> 00:54:04,750
creating Spider man, so.

1156
00:54:04,934 --> 00:54:07,790
>> Sarah : Right, right. Even though he was trying to

1157
00:54:07,814 --> 00:54:09,150
create something for himself.

1158
00:54:09,214 --> 00:54:11,694
>> Will: Like, for himself, though. Exactly. It wasn't. Yeah.

1159
00:54:11,806 --> 00:54:14,750
>> Sarah : It's the ego of Norman that they did such a

1160
00:54:14,774 --> 00:54:17,330
good job with because he.

1161
00:54:17,514 --> 00:54:19,794
He is very much like

1162
00:54:19,946 --> 00:54:22,802
Tony. Very much.

1163
00:54:22,890 --> 00:54:25,890
And. And he. He's a businessman. He's got

1164
00:54:25,914 --> 00:54:28,450
all this money and power, and he just wants

1165
00:54:28,514 --> 00:54:30,866
more. Well, then you start

1166
00:54:30,922 --> 00:54:33,570
seeing, like, your rival become a

1167
00:54:33,594 --> 00:54:34,530
superhero.

1168
00:54:34,674 --> 00:54:35,314
>> Will: Yep.

1169
00:54:35,426 --> 00:54:38,078
>> Sarah : Well, I gotta. I don't have that.

1170
00:54:38,538 --> 00:54:41,394
And. And I love that line in the final

1171
00:54:41,466 --> 00:54:44,450
episode where when. When Doctor Strange

1172
00:54:44,514 --> 00:54:47,394
arrives and he says, you guys with your powers.

1173
00:54:47,506 --> 00:54:50,482
Powers floating around, like, you're better than us. I

1174
00:54:50,490 --> 00:54:53,238
mean, the conversation with Doc Ock

1175
00:54:53,658 --> 00:54:56,398
even gets at that to a point. Like.

1176
00:54:56,938 --> 00:54:59,762
Like, Norman can't have

1177
00:54:59,850 --> 00:55:02,680
anyone appear, to

1178
00:55:02,704 --> 00:55:04,168
be superior to him.

1179
00:55:04,288 --> 00:55:05,496
>> Will: Nope, not at all.

1180
00:55:05,552 --> 00:55:07,992
>> Sarah : And. And so, like,

1181
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,064
he's able to minimize anyone

1182
00:55:11,096 --> 00:55:13,038
who's a threat. Threat in that regard.

1183
00:55:13,538 --> 00:55:16,058
And. And yet he doesn't have

1184
00:55:16,098 --> 00:55:18,970
superpowers. And so he feels inferior

1185
00:55:19,034 --> 00:55:21,578
to anyone who does. And that

1186
00:55:21,618 --> 00:55:24,474
is. That is an angle arguably

1187
00:55:24,586 --> 00:55:27,306
on. On Norman

1188
00:55:27,482 --> 00:55:30,218
that has. Has been there, but I feel

1189
00:55:30,258 --> 00:55:33,034
like for the first time, really fleshed

1190
00:55:33,066 --> 00:55:36,026
out, at least for me. And it

1191
00:55:36,082 --> 00:55:38,844
really feels like. Okay, you're

1192
00:55:38,956 --> 00:55:40,408
building a strong

1193
00:55:41,348 --> 00:55:43,740
justification for a vendetta

1194
00:55:43,804 --> 00:55:46,248
against Peter in particular.

1195
00:55:46,628 --> 00:55:47,138
>> Will: Yeah.

1196
00:55:47,138 --> 00:55:49,598
>> Sarah : which. Which I think that

1197
00:55:50,938 --> 00:55:53,198
this show would not work

1198
00:55:54,298 --> 00:55:57,090
if they. If the execution

1199
00:55:57,154 --> 00:56:00,082
between this relationship between

1200
00:56:00,250 --> 00:56:02,998
Norman and. And Peter

1201
00:56:04,188 --> 00:56:07,076
was. Was not done as well as it has

1202
00:56:07,132 --> 00:56:07,796
been done.

1203
00:56:07,852 --> 00:56:08,568
>> Will: Yeah.

1204
00:56:08,748 --> 00:56:11,684
>> Sarah : it is a. It is the backbone of the show,

1205
00:56:11,756 --> 00:56:14,516
which is arguably surprising because in the past

1206
00:56:14,572 --> 00:56:16,660
there's been so much more focused on

1207
00:56:16,764 --> 00:56:19,700
Harry and Peter. But.

1208
00:56:19,804 --> 00:56:22,516
But. Which is sad

1209
00:56:22,612 --> 00:56:25,188
because I feel like by. By

1210
00:56:25,228 --> 00:56:27,652
establishing such. The relationship

1211
00:56:27,700 --> 00:56:30,548
between Norman and. And

1212
00:56:30,588 --> 00:56:33,316
Peter, like, how

1213
00:56:33,372 --> 00:56:35,528
that unravels

1214
00:56:36,188 --> 00:56:39,156
allows there to be like, just

1215
00:56:39,212 --> 00:56:41,940
naturally that vendetta

1216
00:56:42,084 --> 00:56:44,660
in that. That antagonism

1217
00:56:44,724 --> 00:56:47,488
between Harry and Peter. Like, it's just.

1218
00:56:47,868 --> 00:56:50,612
>> Will: Yeah, because I, like, I think back. Yeah. Because one of the.

1219
00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:53,460
One of the earlier episodes in this block that we

1220
00:56:53,484 --> 00:56:55,678
watched, you know, they're. They're whenever,

1221
00:56:56,848 --> 00:56:59,624
Harry, you know, whenever. Nor like,

1222
00:56:59,696 --> 00:57:02,696
basically kicked Harry out of the room, he was. Wanted

1223
00:57:02,712 --> 00:57:05,538
to have that conversation. And. And so,

1224
00:57:05,488 --> 00:57:08,360
Yeah, so that. That's a great example. I'm glad you brought

1225
00:57:08,376 --> 00:57:11,144
that up because, you know, that. That. That made me think of that example

1226
00:57:11,208 --> 00:57:13,736
of. Of that and, you know, again, planting the seed

1227
00:57:13,784 --> 00:57:16,664
for why things go south between Harry

1228
00:57:16,728 --> 00:57:19,608
and, and Peter. at least how they're going to, how they're

1229
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,470
going to do it in this iteration of Spider Man. especially

1230
00:57:22,526 --> 00:57:25,442
when you can think about like when, you know, it was Harry who

1231
00:57:25,602 --> 00:57:28,266
got Peter the, the traditional, well

1232
00:57:28,354 --> 00:57:31,034
known suit. because the the suit that

1233
00:57:31,058 --> 00:57:34,032
Norman, did. They settled on got destroyed by

1234
00:57:34,072 --> 00:57:36,914
the, the fight in the fight with the scorpion. and then of course, you know,

1235
00:57:36,938 --> 00:57:39,746
using the Go get him tiger, taking that from Mary J.

1236
00:57:39,834 --> 00:57:41,702
To, you know, to, to Harry.

1237
00:57:42,632 --> 00:57:45,312
>> Sarah : so yeah, that, that went a bit

1238
00:57:45,352 --> 00:57:48,256
far. I

1239
00:57:48,264 --> 00:57:49,868
was like, that's weird.

1240
00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:52,796
>> Will: That was weird. Yeah, I like that just doesn't.

1241
00:57:52,844 --> 00:57:55,836
It doesn't, doesn't. It doesn't feel right.

1242
00:57:55,924 --> 00:57:57,724
Yeah. It's coming from him. Yeah.

1243
00:57:57,868 --> 00:58:00,524
>> Sarah : Some things are, aren't meant for that. I

1244
00:58:00,548 --> 00:58:02,508
mean, I mean, and, and maybe.

1245
00:58:02,540 --> 00:58:05,388
>> Will: If it were Nico, I would have been okay. If it were Nico.

1246
00:58:05,580 --> 00:58:07,932
Yeah. It has nothing to do with.

1247
00:58:07,972 --> 00:58:10,796
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, I, I know exactly with what you're

1248
00:58:10,844 --> 00:58:13,580
gonna say because I feel the same way. I'm like, it's not

1249
00:58:13,636 --> 00:58:16,172
because she's female, however, like, we

1250
00:58:16,212 --> 00:58:19,156
equate that line so so much with Mary

1251
00:58:19,204 --> 00:58:21,872
Jane that it's very hard

1252
00:58:22,172 --> 00:58:24,352
not to like,

1253
00:58:24,972 --> 00:58:27,620
it's very hard not to be like,

1254
00:58:27,676 --> 00:58:30,212
whoa, talking about moving

1255
00:58:30,292 --> 00:58:31,592
fast. Okay.

1256
00:58:33,302 --> 00:58:36,262
but yeah, I, I'm very

1257
00:58:36,302 --> 00:58:39,046
much glad that we, we

1258
00:58:39,134 --> 00:58:41,906
watched this season. and also that

1259
00:58:42,024 --> 00:58:42,682
again.

1260
00:58:45,222 --> 00:58:48,126
And this bodes well for the next Disney

1261
00:58:48,174 --> 00:58:51,166
plus show that we'll get into later this month with Andor

1262
00:58:51,214 --> 00:58:53,790
Season 2, given how they're structuring their

1263
00:58:53,846 --> 00:58:56,446
episode release. You can do

1264
00:58:56,614 --> 00:58:59,262
the three episodes two

1265
00:58:59,302 --> 00:59:02,078
episodes at a time, but if you're

1266
00:59:02,110 --> 00:59:04,762
gonna do it like,

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it should make sense with how they were written.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Like this, that's what this show proves to me

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above all else. I mean, I feel like

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earlier when we were. This year, when we're talking

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Invincible, they do some,

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some combining of

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episodes released. Of course, there was the

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infamous Daredevil a few weeks ago that had

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episodes five and six, but those did

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not. Those felt like scheduling.

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Not, not for purposes of the story they're

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trying to tell. Like there's a,

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there's a reason why we're releasing them in this

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manner because of the arcs and

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because of the overall story.

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And then I foresee that happening with Andor

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season two as well. But, it's.

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It's when. It's when it's because of scheduling

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that. That causes it to become a detriment

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as opposed to, to a, an attribute of

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a show.

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>> Will: Yeah, agreed. Agreed.

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>> Sarah : All right. Well, on that note, Will, why don't you tell our

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listeners where they can find you?

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>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at, Will and

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Polk W I L L M P O.

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>> Sarah : L K and you can find me there too at SJ Belmont

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S J B L M O N T. Please follow our crew on

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that backwards but forgive me in another life.

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please follow us on

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Twitter AKA X. How do

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we used to say it?

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>> Will: X formerly known as Twitter.

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>> Sarah : X formerly known as Twitter. The first time

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