Daredevil: Born Again & Invincible: Episode Reviews You Can't Miss!

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>> Sarah : Greetings Nerds This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as

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always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are you doing tonight,

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Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How you doing this Thursday evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm doing good. After we had a little pep

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talk during the pre show.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I know. It was. It was a good

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pep talk. It was. I know we're nowhere talking about

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Daredevil, Born Again and Invincible, but then I was

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wondering if you had watched the formula. one

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trailer that dropped. F. One trailer dropped today with Brad Pitt.

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And, I was. You were like, you know,

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just. If you watched it, that's all good.

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I. And I did. I really, really

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enjoyed it, you know. I know, I know. It was on one of your.

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On your list of films, that you're interested in

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this year.

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>> Sarah : Yes.

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>> Will: And. And that's. And that's what really. That was like. Oh,

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let me. Let me check it out. Because, you know, it really wasn't on my

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radar before me. I do like open wheel

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racing and that kind of stuff, but,

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I hadn't really thought about it, but, well, when I saw the trailer

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drop today and saw the poster and stuff, I was like, let me just check it out this

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evening. And I, you know, I. I really did like it near Brad

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Pitt. You know,

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he's. The charisma was just oozing off

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in this trailer.

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>> Sarah : Oh, that's good.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. I was really, you know, and it wasn't like

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Bullet Train charisma, but like, just good old.

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>> Sarah : Was it, Was it Moneyball?

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>> Will: Moneyball. That's. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : That's what. That's what I would expect

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from just the premise of that

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movie. is that more of that vibe

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leaning into that kind of character that he's playing.

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Delayed, but.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Well, I'm, glad it's not on your list. Now,

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granted, it comes out on June 26, if

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I'm not mistaken.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : Right before the month. That will be

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July.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. We already knew we were

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watching in July. Yeah,

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yeah.

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>> Sarah : And. And for. For our listeners who

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have been with us for a while, and as Will

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always reminds me, at the start of

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2025, there was this tiny little show called paradise,

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and we've picked up a bunch of listeners as a result

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of that. So if you're still relatively new

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around here, we will be covering the Last Is

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a Last of Us Season two.

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We will not be discussing the trailers because Will and

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I are trying to hold out and trying to

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come into the season as fresh as

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possible. I've already,

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I already know, what happens

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in, in the second game. I knew what happened

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in the first game. I, I've seen all of the cut

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scenes and everything. Will's a

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lot more blind.

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>> Will: A little bit. A little bit. A

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little bit. A little bit more. A little bit more blind. But, but

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I do know of a few things that did happen

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and, and I'm not going to say it because, you know,

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I don't want to spoil it for folks who haven't played the game or haven't watched

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the cut scenes. So. But, but yeah, yeah,

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I, I do know that they dropped a trailer today.

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Not a trailer, a poster today. I know the

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trailer is for season two dropped over the

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weekend. And yeah, I've seen some like on

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Instagram, some of the stuff flowing. But yeah,

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I'm just like, okay, keep on going because I'm like you. I don't want to get

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spoiled.

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>> Sarah : No, no, no, no. We know we're gonna watch

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it, we're gonna discuss it

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very in depthly and we are looking

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forward to that. to come in April.

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a little bit of news that did happen that we

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can discuss. because it doesn't necessarily involve

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any visuals, just pure speculation is, the

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fact that our beloved Sadie

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Singh from Stranger Things has been cast in an

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undisclosed role in Spider Man 4. Of course, she

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has also previously been rumored to be,

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cast as Jean Gray for the

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mcu. so the question

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now is, is that still the case or is there a

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different role that, they are slating her

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into, given that it is a Spider man

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project, that will make her

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supposed debut in.

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>> Will: Yeah, of course. Yeah, I know that Jean Gray was

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the, Even before she was cast in

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Spider Man, a lot of folks were speculating as far as

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X Men, you know, who would be the

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X Men in the mcu. And of course she, she

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was listed as Jean Gray. And if that

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is indeed the case, then,

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with being introduced In Spider Man 4, that

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would, that, that, you know what makes

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sense. But also, I know some folks have also mentioned Gwen,

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Stacy is a possibility as well.

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>> Sarah : Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just,

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I, whatever role,

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whether it's Gwen Stacy or

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whether it is, Jean Gray,

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I, I hope the script is good

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and the storyline is good because

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she captured my

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heart in season four of Stranger

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Things. And like, she

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just sold that whole season

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and she, she, she carried

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it and, and so I, I was

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very excited to hear the rumors about Jean Grey,

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I am still excited. Even if it's Gwen

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Stacy, just don't waste her.

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>> Will: Right. 100. Yeah,

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for sure. For sure. Yeah, that same. And

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especially as we, as we get closer to

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season five of Stranger Things at some point this year we still

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don't have a release date. But but yeah, whenever,

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whenever I saw that news and it wasn't just, you know, just some

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rando, you know, Twitter or Reddit

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account. I mean it was, you know, it was from the trades and stuff. So it

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is, it is legit. So so yeah, we'll,

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you know, hopefully we'll get word as far as who she's going to

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be cast as. at some point

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in the near future.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, that's just further confirmation. We will soon

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enough get a Spider Man 4 because

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that franchise is just a gift that keeps

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giving.

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>> Will: It is, it

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is. Yeah. Sony and

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Marvel and Disney managed to make work out there, work

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out the issues and Tom Holland signed on the dotted line. So we, we

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do know it's. And I guess scheduling

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wise, you know, given that

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Miles, you know, as far as the spider

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verse, who knows when the

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final filming act trilogy will come out. But

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but we at least know that Spider Man 4 looks like it'll probably be

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maybe 2026 at the

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earliest. so which would. Which

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would also work with the timing as far as the

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two the two upcoming Avengers films.

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>> Sarah : So.

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>> Will: And I, and I think I may have heard somewhere maybe it was Jeff

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Snyder or someone that mentioned that they actually. That Marvel

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actually may push back the Everlasting.

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>> Sarah : Those movies are, are definitely getting pushed back.

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I, I think we, we saw the writing on that.

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Why? Well, a while ago.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : so you saw a

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movie recently and Do you want

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to talk a little bit about it?

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So I was lucky enough to get

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a, A pass to go see

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Novocaine, which opens tomorrow.

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May is March 14th.

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and yeah, this is a film starring Jack

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Quaid and Amber Midthunder, which you know,

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a lot of folks maybe remember us talking about her

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when she was in the Predator film that

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was on Hulu a few. About a few years ago

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that prequel, film. And Yeah,

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so just high level stuff.

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I mean from the tagline. Jack Quaid

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plays a a character who meets

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the girl of his dreams. And the thing,

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interesting thing about Jack's Quake's character,

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his name is Nathan Payne and he has this

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genetic disorder that basically allows him

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to Be totally impervious to pain. So if you've, the

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trailers, you've probably seen

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ah, all these like painful

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gags and stuff. And you can see the poster here that

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if you're, if you're watching this on our, on our YouTube channel.

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If you, if you're listening, you can, you can see some of the, you

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know, trailers out there. But the premises.

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Basically he meets this girl of his dreams,

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things happen, she gets kidnapped and then he is

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on a quest to, to, to, to rescue her.

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And Yeah, and then all kinds of dark humor

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tie jinx ensue.

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speaking as we were just talking about Spider man, the

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actor who plays Tom Holland's buddy,

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in the Spider man movies is also in this

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film. And Nate, I think his name,

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it's a guy in a chair. I can't.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I know who you're talking about. I have no idea.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I can't remember, I can't remember the character's name right now, but he's also in

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the film. but you know, I, I, you know, when I saw the

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trailers a few months ago, I was kind of like,

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yeah, I wasn't so sure about it. But then once I got the,

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got the free pass, I was like, okay, you know, I'm not paying any money so I'll

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go check this out. And I really, really

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ended up enjoying this film. It's a lot of fun. If you're,

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if you're, if you're into dark humor and stuff. I

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completely, totally recommend it. Jack

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Quaid, he, he, he

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can't, he carried the film. I mean he, it's, it's, it's right

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up his alley. of course, you know, we

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all know him from the boys. Star Trek fans know him as

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Boimler. so you know, it falls in line with a lot of

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the humor that we would see formula get into and

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Star Trek, lower decks and and also some of the things that

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Huey would get into situations in the boys.

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so yeah, I mean Jack's great in it. Ah, Amber's really,

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really good and definitely recommend it.

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>> Sarah : Cool. Very good. and

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also you have a new ah,

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profile for Women's History Month.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. So for, for Women's History

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Month, as for folks who are

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new to the pod, we've started this in

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during Black History Month and we're continuing it during

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Women's History Month of just some notable

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things, in, in the geek space, for,

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for women and of course African Americans. When

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we did the profiles during Black History Month and

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this. This month, this week, I wanted to

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found a article on a fan

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expo, hq, which is. I think it's a big

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Comic Con event in Canada. But it was an article

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that was written. I was. Want to make sure I give proper credit to, Lizzie

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Carr. And she, gave some

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profiles of women, in. In the big

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two as far as Marvel and dc, as far as the

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comic houses, comic book houses. And

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really start, you know, really just starts off like, you know,

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when. When was the very first

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female superhero, introduced it in the comics.

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So you know, a lot of folks would probably think that it was

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Wonder Woman, who was, you know, introduced in

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1941 and all, Star Comics number

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eight, by William Moulton, Marston.

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But actually the the

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first character was a

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character named sheena,

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action iterations of a lot of these characters,

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. When did

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Catwoman come about?

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>> Will: I think she was a character. She's a DC character, I want

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to say. And it was in the, it was in the sil. With the Silver

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Age. yeah, if I recall, I can't remember when she

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debuted Batman. I don't have it right right in front of me, but.

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>> Sarah : Right, right, right, right. I, like, well, like when

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you were asking like what we think of, I

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did go Wonder Woman. But Catwoman was

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also in my mind about when, when

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she came about. but no, it was

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Sheena, which, I mean, if anybody

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knows me, like, I just relate that name to a

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character on Vanderpump Rules.

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maybe. Yeah, so, so it's

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just, it, it's also, it's just a very

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random thing of like, yeah, we're gonna name this

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hero Sheena. It's like, yeah, so what's

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her real name? Yeah,

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like, oh man.

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>> Will: Another thing I learned too. Like I said, I, I had. I. For.

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I don't know if I ever realized that Marvel was, you know, was

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called Timely Comics, you know,

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in the, in the 30s when it was, when it was first.

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of course, is like, of course action comics for, for years. And then it, you

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know, became DC Detect Detective Comics.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, well, it's, it's

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also just like the

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the the recency. I

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mean, yeah, 1930s,

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long time ago, but at the same time,

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in the grand scheme of things, not too long

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ago. And it's just. And how

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it has evolved and I mean

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right now in, in post

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endgame world, we live in,

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just the explosion, and the aftermath

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of that kind of boom that occurred in the

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Marvel and as well as DC. I mean DC is

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always going to be around. I mean they have Batman

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and Superman's about to make a, a

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return and a, hopefully a big

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impact and, and like,

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the. These. We. We talked, I think, at the

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very. When we first started recording. Like,

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I. I didn't grow up reading comics. I've. I've never

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actually read a comic. But the.

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through various media

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iterations have just become

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these, these

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myths and these legends. Like,

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like, yeah, we. We have the. The gre.

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The urban myths and the. And the Greek

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legends, but they're. There's something about

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these that it's more. It's more current and

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timely for today.

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fascinating, thing

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to. To look into and learn

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about and to. To stay informed

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of because they keep growing and changing and

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evolving.

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>> Will: Yep, they do. They do.

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>> Sarah : All right, well, that brings us

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to, a myth that we are

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continuing on a journey with.

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Daredevil Born again. Episode three, the

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Hollow of His Hand. The trial

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of Hector Alia begins.

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Fix. Old business associates seek to claim

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his vacant mantle.

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Sue. Okay, I

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just. I have a

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few. I have a few thoughts. And it's funny because

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Will stole my line this week.

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usually when I watch an episode and

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I'm kind of like, okay

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about it. I'm not hive. I'm not necessarily

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low about it. I just tell him, yeah,

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I have some thoughts. But, yeah,

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he told me that. And I'm like, well, I'm glad we're on the same

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page. so I. I

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will kick off things and just say, I

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think the fact that the opening

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scene of the

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Explanation Hector's explaining

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to Matt the night before his trial

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or the day of his trial,

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beginning the. The

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sound of the koki.

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Sorry, if I mispronounced that. Sorry.

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but it's a frog in Puerto Rico

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who. Who calls out because they mate

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for light for. For life

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during sunset. They call out

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to their. Their loved one.

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and. And we don't hear it. We just get this full

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story. So to fast forward,

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there is something so haunting

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and just a brilliant use of

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sound.

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>> Will: Yes.

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>> Sarah : To have during the credits, them

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playing that sound. I

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was. I was just like,

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wow, they did that. And.

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And arguably it made me think about

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the use of sound throughout

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this episode and the previous episodes. And they're

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just so freaking on point with their sound

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design. Because my other

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favorite M scene, or arguably

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my favorite scene in this entire episode

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is a very quiet moment

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where it's after the closing

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arguments and that alone, the

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courtroom is vacant. Enters the courtroom.

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But it is. It is, it is

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presented not as a court,

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but as a church. And they

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use choir music. And then you have

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him sit almost in a

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pew and then you have him hold on to

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that piece of his mask that Karen

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gave him. And, Because we know

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that Matt is also. It's not just Matt's

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religious. He's a Catholic boy.

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So that very much that.

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The. When he pulled it out, he was very much. It

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reminded me of like the rosary.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

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>> Sarah : All of these elements. And I know they frame the

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shot of the courtroom in a way where you will see

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clearly in, In God We Trust or,

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Or justice or something. I forget

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the exact words, but I

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just, I thought that was such a good,

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fascinating presentation

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because of

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Matt, who. Yeah, he's vigilante,

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but that's like not the point of this

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episode. It's more about that

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duality between. With

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justice and, and

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they, they. They did something in

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that moment that I don't think they ever did in

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the previous seasons of Daredevil

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where it was more about that

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line of the justice in

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the court versus religious

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justice, if you know what I'm saying.

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So, so yeah, I, I just, I

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just want to point out, those few things and just the

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overall work,

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that they've done in terms of sound.

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>> Will: Yeah, the sound. You're right. I mean, that was.

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And I, And I've, you know, whenever you bring up Puerto

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Rico and I've actually been to Lakio beach where,

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Hector talked about, that. So, you know, so when he

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started talking about the, little frog and

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the cookie and, and the sound at the end.

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And it really, it's true. I mean, whenever he was

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describing it during that scene, I could like hear, you

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know, go back to when I was there a year ago

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and, and, and remember hearing that in the evening

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when I was just, you know, sitting out and in the,

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in the. And I

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mean, like you said, with the. At the end, it was just haunting,

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especially how the episode ended.

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you know, which, you know, when I, when I shared with you,

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I had thoughts.

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I, I like this episode. I did, you

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know, and, and, and you know, also

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learned that, episodes two and three

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were supposed to be the original, you know, kickoff of

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the series. The, and, and, and,

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and, and I see why, you

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know, that it was really going to be the, the driving

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force for, I guess,

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Matt being born again

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or, you know, and, and, and, and everything.

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Plus the, you know, plus the, the, the. This.

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The discussion that they had in the

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episode where. Yes, it was. And I

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know we'll get into, into, into it deeper, but,

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the Matt when they were having the Right before the

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trial started and they were discussing,

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you know, Matt, the whole thing about

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vigilanteism and, you know. Yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : Wait, wait, wait. Sorry. Sorry to set the

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scene, though. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't.

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They weren't discussing it before because

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Matt. The trial had started. Matt plays the

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card, though, because he's kind of forced to. And he

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reveals Hector's identity as White

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Tiger. And then they're talking about. And then they have

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this scene about, vigilantism.

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But continue.

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>> Will: Yeah, they have the scene and.

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Yeah, I mean, it was just more. That was where I had

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thoughts and also just. Just from. Just from a

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standpoint where I was. One other

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big thing I liked about this episode for me was just

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the, the, you know, the legal

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aspects of it because I've heard about. You know, I like, you

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know, it's well known. I haven't. I didn't watch all the Netflix

507
00:23:25,592 --> 00:23:28,454
series, but, you know, the courtroom drama

508
00:23:28,534 --> 00:23:31,350
aspect of this episode, I, I really,

509
00:23:31,422 --> 00:23:34,358
really appreciate it how they just.

510
00:23:34,446 --> 00:23:37,190
Legal tactics, Matt M. Even the prosecution,

511
00:23:37,302 --> 00:23:40,150
everything about it was just very, very.

512
00:23:40,302 --> 00:23:42,540
A very well done courtroom

513
00:23:42,702 --> 00:23:44,524
episodes because a lot of times

514
00:23:45,384 --> 00:23:47,984
it. Courtroom dramas can be

515
00:23:48,024 --> 00:23:50,800
very. It can really work or

516
00:23:50,872 --> 00:23:53,824
they could just really, just really, really be bad. But this was like Law

517
00:23:53,864 --> 00:23:56,624
and Order Dared, you know, Fall and Order,

518
00:23:56,744 --> 00:23:59,680
Comic Book World. And it was just very, very gripping.

519
00:23:59,712 --> 00:24:02,496
And some of the tactics that happen and some, you know,

520
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,488
and things that Matt engaged in and the arguments

521
00:24:05,536 --> 00:24:08,496
that were made, you know, really, really did resonate with

522
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,520
me. So. So when I, When I could say when I had thoughts, they were actually,

523
00:24:11,592 --> 00:24:14,556
you know, I. I was they of

524
00:24:14,580 --> 00:24:17,484
this episode. Yeah. And the only place where I did

525
00:24:17,524 --> 00:24:20,156
have some negative thoughts was just sort of the. The

526
00:24:20,180 --> 00:24:22,972
ending and we. And just. Just more.

527
00:24:23,028 --> 00:24:25,604
Just more global concerns.

528
00:24:26,326 --> 00:24:29,238
just with. With. No, there's no one in the history of the

529
00:24:29,246 --> 00:24:32,242
White Tiger. And you know, and just the, You know, given

530
00:24:32,298 --> 00:24:34,946
it was the first Latino, Puerto Rican

531
00:24:35,010 --> 00:24:37,906
superhero and just the way it was just taken out like that. I

532
00:24:37,930 --> 00:24:40,818
mean, I know it's a little. It's a. You know, I know he also dies

533
00:24:40,866 --> 00:24:43,348
in the comics, but, you know,

534
00:24:43,516 --> 00:24:46,404
they did a virgin. You know, divergence from how

535
00:24:46,444 --> 00:24:49,156
that happened in the comic. But it's still

536
00:24:49,260 --> 00:24:52,244
like just kind of. It was still a little unsettling given

537
00:24:52,284 --> 00:24:55,092
that we just barely had any time with. With this. And

538
00:24:55,148 --> 00:24:58,068
also just knowing too that the actor played him, you know, you

539
00:24:58,076 --> 00:24:59,076
know, died as well.

540
00:24:59,180 --> 00:25:02,164
>> Sarah : Right, right. I was just gonna say the actor who played him did

541
00:25:02,204 --> 00:25:05,076
pass away shortly after. Yeah, I mean, wrapped for

542
00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:07,652
him. So, yeah, yeah. that, that.

543
00:25:07,778 --> 00:25:10,096
Which adds just a more haunting

544
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,148
how, of an. Of the ending

545
00:25:13,196 --> 00:25:15,468
it is. And I think it's supposed to be

546
00:25:15,636 --> 00:25:18,396
unsettling. I think it, for all intents and

547
00:25:18,420 --> 00:25:21,180
purposes, like there,

548
00:25:21,252 --> 00:25:24,204
there wasn't really any action in this episode

549
00:25:24,284 --> 00:25:26,864
besides maybe a car chase scene.

550
00:25:27,284 --> 00:25:29,868
It was a courtroom drama, very self

551
00:25:29,916 --> 00:25:32,460
contained story. I'm grateful

552
00:25:32,652 --> 00:25:35,318
that we're not spending multiple

553
00:25:35,366 --> 00:25:38,086
episodes on the courtroom drama of

554
00:25:38,110 --> 00:25:40,838
Hector. I would,

555
00:25:40,926 --> 00:25:43,814
I mean, thinking about it like, I'm like,

556
00:25:43,854 --> 00:25:46,822
oh, are they gonna stretch it out? No, they, they

557
00:25:46,878 --> 00:25:49,714
used it as a device for.

558
00:25:50,654 --> 00:25:53,494
As we. As. As the

559
00:25:53,534 --> 00:25:56,326
pressure for Matt to return

560
00:25:56,430 --> 00:25:59,266
to being Daredevil builds. and

561
00:25:59,290 --> 00:26:02,034
the escalation. And, and I think that

562
00:26:02,074 --> 00:26:04,094
escalation is just

563
00:26:04,394 --> 00:26:06,482
magnified at the

564
00:26:06,538 --> 00:26:09,426
escalation of Fisk as

565
00:26:09,450 --> 00:26:12,440
well and his tactics. but

566
00:26:12,592 --> 00:26:15,496
you said a lot of different things and I want to get into so

567
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,520
many of them. Sometimes I wish

568
00:26:18,552 --> 00:26:20,840
he would just like start with one.

569
00:26:20,912 --> 00:26:23,496
>> Will: Those are just my over. Yeah, no, no, I know, I

570
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:24,040
know.

571
00:26:24,192 --> 00:26:26,574
>> Sarah : Yeah, I know, I know. But,

572
00:26:27,134 --> 00:26:29,846
so, so I guess to,

573
00:26:29,950 --> 00:26:32,918
to just go back because we already talked about it a

574
00:26:32,926 --> 00:26:35,916
little bit in detail. this,

575
00:26:36,020 --> 00:26:38,508
the, the visually empty conversation

576
00:26:38,636 --> 00:26:41,532
after Matt says, f you, we're gonna

577
00:26:41,548 --> 00:26:43,932
try to win. And the only way to do that is

578
00:26:43,988 --> 00:26:46,876
to. For me to appear as a

579
00:26:46,900 --> 00:26:49,788
jackass and use the bit of evidence that

580
00:26:49,796 --> 00:26:51,394
I told. Told the,

581
00:26:52,734 --> 00:26:55,350
the judge that I wouldn't use and the

582
00:26:55,422 --> 00:26:57,494
prosecutor shouldn't use either.

583
00:26:57,654 --> 00:26:58,086
>> Will: Yeah.

584
00:26:58,150 --> 00:26:58,806
>> Sarah : Yep.

585
00:26:58,950 --> 00:27:01,798
>> Will: Yeah. Me as a lawyer, I just love. I was just like, oh,

586
00:27:01,846 --> 00:27:04,726
permanent value. You know, I was just like, oh, I was just geek. I was. My

587
00:27:04,750 --> 00:27:07,606
legal, my legal side was just geeking out because I was like, hey, that

588
00:27:07,630 --> 00:27:10,294
reminds me. Yeah. The few years that

589
00:27:10,414 --> 00:27:13,318
I was not much, didn't hardly litigate at all, but there's a little bit

590
00:27:13,326 --> 00:27:16,086
of time I did. I. Yeah, I did make that

591
00:27:16,110 --> 00:27:18,820
argument a few times. And I was just like, you know, it was always cool

592
00:27:18,852 --> 00:27:21,464
whenever we were able to get evidence suppressed.

593
00:27:21,964 --> 00:27:24,956
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. so,

594
00:27:25,140 --> 00:27:27,692
so it's revealed and it's a very short

595
00:27:27,828 --> 00:27:30,706
and short, conversation

596
00:27:30,770 --> 00:27:33,714
between them where it's essentially,

597
00:27:33,874 --> 00:27:36,514
you should have asked me first. I

598
00:27:36,554 --> 00:27:39,314
know. And then, and then it

599
00:27:39,354 --> 00:27:42,158
takes this interesting turn, where,

600
00:27:42,326 --> 00:27:44,878
Where Matt is trying

601
00:27:44,966 --> 00:27:47,154
to tell Hector

602
00:27:47,734 --> 00:27:50,414
like, he's better without the

603
00:27:50,454 --> 00:27:53,374
mask. He's still. He doesn't need

604
00:27:53,414 --> 00:27:56,142
the mask. And it's interesting because

605
00:27:56,198 --> 00:27:59,118
they're both vigilantes. They're both

606
00:27:59,206 --> 00:28:01,594
people who at the end of the day

607
00:28:02,054 --> 00:28:04,942
try and go out of their way to do the right

608
00:28:04,998 --> 00:28:07,754
thing. Simultaneously though,

609
00:28:09,624 --> 00:28:12,084
they There was a clear distinction

610
00:28:12,424 --> 00:28:15,280
of where Hector is.

611
00:28:15,352 --> 00:28:18,096
Never has never not want to

612
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:20,880
embrace that side of him and never

613
00:28:20,952 --> 00:28:23,728
viewed it as an evil side or a

614
00:28:23,736 --> 00:28:26,400
vengeful side. That's what

615
00:28:26,472 --> 00:28:29,152
Matt is dealing with right now.

616
00:28:29,288 --> 00:28:31,952
I mean, it's more about, especially

617
00:28:32,088 --> 00:28:34,204
in the wake of Foggy's death,

618
00:28:34,704 --> 00:28:36,564
about how

619
00:28:37,264 --> 00:28:39,912
that kind of justice

620
00:28:40,088 --> 00:28:42,808
is vengeful. And, and he,

621
00:28:42,896 --> 00:28:45,848
Matt hasn't just lost, Foggy,

622
00:28:45,896 --> 00:28:48,564
he's lost a few other people too in his life.

623
00:28:48,944 --> 00:28:51,784
So was just an

624
00:28:51,824 --> 00:28:53,844
interesting moment of where

625
00:28:54,864 --> 00:28:57,484
I, I, can appreciate in this episode

626
00:28:57,676 --> 00:29:00,076
the subtleness of. You have this

627
00:29:00,132 --> 00:29:02,770
big self contained episode of the

628
00:29:02,794 --> 00:29:05,516
Trial of Hector, AKA White

629
00:29:05,572 --> 00:29:07,916
Tiger. But the

630
00:29:07,972 --> 00:29:10,924
subtlety that they

631
00:29:10,996 --> 00:29:13,612
bring up the moral

632
00:29:13,660 --> 00:29:16,588
and the, the conflict with our

633
00:29:16,628 --> 00:29:19,318
main character, where

634
00:29:19,358 --> 00:29:22,278
it's not overpowering this self contained

635
00:29:22,358 --> 00:29:24,854
story, but it's also still

636
00:29:24,926 --> 00:29:27,616
present as we move on to the next

637
00:29:27,672 --> 00:29:30,512
chapter. Because at the end of the day we really are following

638
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,386
Matt Murdock on his story, and

639
00:29:33,442 --> 00:29:36,410
journey this season. That's paralleled

640
00:29:36,554 --> 00:29:39,370
with, with Fisk who again they

641
00:29:39,394 --> 00:29:41,998
did an awesome transition shot

642
00:29:42,338 --> 00:29:44,618
where we keep seeing the bruised

643
00:29:44,698 --> 00:29:47,400
fist. and it's at the beginning of the

644
00:29:47,424 --> 00:29:50,414
episode there's a close up, I believe

645
00:29:50,486 --> 00:29:53,158
on Fisk and on his, on

646
00:29:53,198 --> 00:29:55,914
his, banged up fist. And then

647
00:29:55,986 --> 00:29:58,826
we transition into Matt's banged up

648
00:29:58,882 --> 00:30:01,674
fist because he didn't kill two police

649
00:30:01,746 --> 00:30:02,718
officers.

650
00:30:03,138 --> 00:30:04,298
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

651
00:30:04,458 --> 00:30:06,826
>> Sarah : Which was my gripe of the

652
00:30:06,882 --> 00:30:08,810
episode. Which.

653
00:30:08,994 --> 00:30:11,930
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, same for me

654
00:30:11,954 --> 00:30:14,890
too because I was like, wait a minute, you know, because we spent, you

655
00:30:14,914 --> 00:30:17,354
know, last week when we talked about it, it, it, it seemed

656
00:30:17,386 --> 00:30:20,340
that, that neither one of those guys are going

657
00:30:20,364 --> 00:30:23,252
to walk out of the room and, and the way, in a way it

658
00:30:23,260 --> 00:30:26,100
was presented, it was just like Sherry, come. You know, it was

659
00:30:26,124 --> 00:30:28,948
like. Yeah, it was, it seemed like things

660
00:30:28,988 --> 00:30:31,364
were, they were dead. But

661
00:30:31,516 --> 00:30:34,284
nah, the officer, Officer Powell was,

662
00:30:34,340 --> 00:30:36,892
was talking in the bathroom to, to Matt

663
00:30:36,924 --> 00:30:39,570
and Yeah, yeah.

664
00:30:39,618 --> 00:30:42,098
>> Sarah : Oh, I think, I think Matt was talking more

665
00:30:42,202 --> 00:30:42,658
now.

666
00:30:42,762 --> 00:30:45,426
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, he was trying. Well, we attempted to.

667
00:30:45,466 --> 00:30:48,368
>> Sarah : But yeah, Matt, it was more of a

668
00:30:48,392 --> 00:30:51,280
conversation. I'm gonna come in here and

669
00:30:51,368 --> 00:30:54,032
so that you can tell me and more importantly

670
00:30:54,064 --> 00:30:56,836
explain to the viewers why I haven't.

671
00:30:57,176 --> 00:30:59,156
Why you're not being arrested.

672
00:31:01,096 --> 00:31:03,888
So, so it was very expositionary.

673
00:31:03,952 --> 00:31:06,944
And then, and then Matt gets him on the stand and

674
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,906
even, continues to take some shots at him.

675
00:31:09,946 --> 00:31:12,892
Oh yeah, but, but yeah,

676
00:31:13,004 --> 00:31:15,816
like, like that was

677
00:31:16,196 --> 00:31:19,068
that suspense. It's, it bothered

678
00:31:19,132 --> 00:31:22,012
me potentially throughout

679
00:31:22,044 --> 00:31:24,566
the entire episode. Just the, the

680
00:31:24,606 --> 00:31:27,256
conveniency. I, I understand it.

681
00:31:27,206 --> 00:31:29,690
yeah, but I, I mean,

682
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:34,030
if you're gonna have Matt really kick some butt, because

683
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:36,542
this is now two episodes. The very first two

684
00:31:36,566 --> 00:31:39,502
episodes. I still don't really. I still. They

685
00:31:39,526 --> 00:31:42,174
haven't really explained how Bullseye fell off.

686
00:31:42,262 --> 00:31:44,718
Like Matt pushed Bullseye off

687
00:31:44,854 --> 00:31:47,790
that. The ledge of a three,

688
00:31:47,910 --> 00:31:50,690
four story building. He's fine.

689
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:53,710
And now. And now we have Officer Pal

690
00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:56,810
notice how we don't see the friend at all.

691
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:59,822
But I, I'm sure he's alive. He's probably just in the

692
00:31:59,846 --> 00:32:00,222
hospital.

693
00:32:00,326 --> 00:32:03,214
>> Will: He's probably. He's probably jacked up in the. Yeah, in the

694
00:32:03,222 --> 00:32:03,438
hospital.

695
00:32:03,494 --> 00:32:06,142
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So.

696
00:32:06,246 --> 00:32:08,494
So. So it. Now it's been a few

697
00:32:08,582 --> 00:32:11,294
interactions where Matt comes off as a complete

698
00:32:11,342 --> 00:32:14,110
badass. We assume he's just killed somebody and

699
00:32:14,150 --> 00:32:17,110
he hasn't. but we're only explaining that

700
00:32:17,150 --> 00:32:19,960
after the fact. And it's kind of like, okay guys, he

701
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,840
either need to really be clear, like

702
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,620
he's not killing them because,

703
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,970
because my. It does bother me,

704
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,170
a bit. But,

705
00:32:30,430 --> 00:32:33,208
>> Will: But yeah, yeah, it did feel very comic

706
00:32:33,224 --> 00:32:36,008
booky there. But. But to that point as far as

707
00:32:36,144 --> 00:32:39,096
with. With. Again with the examination that

708
00:32:39,168 --> 00:32:42,060
Matt, had on Powell in the courtroom and, and

709
00:32:42,084 --> 00:32:45,058
then, you know, fast forward a little bit to when they

710
00:32:45,098 --> 00:32:47,970
were cherry and. And the

711
00:32:47,994 --> 00:32:50,790
other guy were trying to get the informant, the CI

712
00:32:50,854 --> 00:32:53,528
to to the courthouse. Yeah, Nikki. Nikki

713
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,492
Torres. And you know, I really did like that whole.

714
00:32:57,392 --> 00:33:00,344
The whole sequence of the fake and.

715
00:33:00,528 --> 00:33:03,434
And, and. And all that. And you know, and of course, you know,

716
00:33:03,458 --> 00:33:06,378
again, it's. It's tv, so I knew that Nikki

717
00:33:06,410 --> 00:33:09,194
was going to show up, but I like the way that they

718
00:33:09,218 --> 00:33:12,196
executed it because, it was just. It was just a

719
00:33:12,204 --> 00:33:14,964
very fun thing. And more important with that scene

720
00:33:15,028 --> 00:33:17,432
too is just when. When Nikki,

721
00:33:17,652 --> 00:33:20,282
was testifying in the courtroom

722
00:33:20,442 --> 00:33:23,354
and seeing the. You know, again, to your point

723
00:33:23,378 --> 00:33:26,102
about the visuals and the. The

724
00:33:26,402 --> 00:33:29,386
how they shot the courtroom and. And

725
00:33:29,474 --> 00:33:32,298
all the police officers there and

726
00:33:32,370 --> 00:33:35,338
you know, and just the intimidation. And even when Powell

727
00:33:35,370 --> 00:33:37,702
was testifying, you know, he, He.

728
00:33:38,002 --> 00:33:40,602
He knew that he, you know, all the, you know, all those

729
00:33:40,642 --> 00:33:43,548
folks, you know, they had their back. Especially, you know,

730
00:33:43,620 --> 00:33:46,604
when you see the one officer with the, with the. You know, with

731
00:33:46,628 --> 00:33:49,388
the punisher tattoo and everything

732
00:33:49,460 --> 00:33:49,900
like that.

733
00:33:49,956 --> 00:33:50,636
>> Sarah : Right, right.

734
00:33:50,724 --> 00:33:53,672
>> Will: Yeah. I mean, it was just like. Yeah, it was.

735
00:33:55,492 --> 00:33:57,852
>> Sarah : It's interesting how it changes though,

736
00:33:57,972 --> 00:34:00,812
because that, that half of the

737
00:34:00,852 --> 00:34:03,548
room is still there, still intimidating,

738
00:34:03,660 --> 00:34:06,636
but the moment it comes out that. That

739
00:34:06,724 --> 00:34:08,192
Hector is white tiger.

740
00:34:09,222 --> 00:34:11,902
Matt, very brilliantly as a lawyer,

741
00:34:11,982 --> 00:34:14,094
pulls out all of Their

742
00:34:14,198 --> 00:34:16,990
statements about what an ally

743
00:34:17,086 --> 00:34:19,774
White Tiger is to kind of say

744
00:34:19,878 --> 00:34:22,814
it doesn't make logical sense of why he would attack

745
00:34:22,918 --> 00:34:24,830
some police officer.

746
00:34:24,926 --> 00:34:25,534
>> Will: Exactly.

747
00:34:25,598 --> 00:34:28,286
>> Sarah : Out of nowhere. Like, like, like

748
00:34:28,374 --> 00:34:31,262
one plus one is not equaling two in this

749
00:34:31,302 --> 00:34:34,200
scenario, if you really think about it. So, so,

750
00:34:34,256 --> 00:34:37,016
and ah, they had reports, so it, it changed.

751
00:34:37,064 --> 00:34:39,832
And, and you, and there was a subtlety,

752
00:34:39,912 --> 00:34:42,824
subtleness in even that side of the

753
00:34:42,848 --> 00:34:45,560
room of a change of like this

754
00:34:45,616 --> 00:34:47,332
realization that

755
00:34:47,712 --> 00:34:50,568
okay, maybe, maybe

756
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,532
we did get it wrong. Or.

757
00:34:52,912 --> 00:34:55,608
Wow. Like, like they're, they're also

758
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,024
doing the math as well, the whole

759
00:34:58,088 --> 00:35:00,682
Punisher thing. And

760
00:35:00,722 --> 00:35:03,626
now, now I'm gonna like, break into

761
00:35:03,794 --> 00:35:06,652
a little bit of, of maybe,

762
00:35:06,602 --> 00:35:09,088
I'm of territory I'm

763
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,080
unfamiliar with because again, I'm not a comic book person. But

764
00:35:12,136 --> 00:35:14,732
I have seen some things that

765
00:35:15,032 --> 00:35:17,904
very subtly we were introduced

766
00:35:17,968 --> 00:35:20,864
to another player in the

767
00:35:20,888 --> 00:35:23,072
first episode. And it was

768
00:35:23,112 --> 00:35:25,132
specifically, from what I understand

769
00:35:25,972 --> 00:35:28,588
at, during the, the book

770
00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:31,564
signing of Matt's girlfriend Amanda,

771
00:35:31,628 --> 00:35:34,124
we were introduced to the character

772
00:35:34,188 --> 00:35:37,052
Muse, who is

773
00:35:37,092 --> 00:35:39,660
also the person we're seeing

774
00:35:39,836 --> 00:35:42,796
make the murals around New York.

775
00:35:42,884 --> 00:35:43,512
Right?

776
00:35:43,972 --> 00:35:46,844
>> Will: I believe so. I believe so, yeah. Yeah. Because I know

777
00:35:46,868 --> 00:35:49,630
there's the punishment that triggered. Yeah, that's one of the ones that, was

778
00:35:49,686 --> 00:35:51,384
we got in this episode. Yeah.

779
00:35:51,478 --> 00:35:54,244
>> Sarah : Yeah. So I don't know a lot

780
00:35:54,268 --> 00:35:56,592
about this character, but

781
00:35:57,212 --> 00:36:00,164
I, I think I, I don't

782
00:36:00,228 --> 00:36:03,060
know per se if Fisk is the one who

783
00:36:03,116 --> 00:36:05,942
ordered it, considering,

784
00:36:06,940 --> 00:36:09,852
there is this ambiguous character who.

785
00:36:09,892 --> 00:36:12,652
I'm still not quite sure whose side he is

786
00:36:12,692 --> 00:36:15,122
on. but, but

787
00:36:15,502 --> 00:36:18,374
like, it's an it to me, it

788
00:36:18,398 --> 00:36:21,206
feels intentional that we've now

789
00:36:21,294 --> 00:36:23,910
seen the Punisher

790
00:36:24,086 --> 00:36:26,532
single or, the

791
00:36:26,572 --> 00:36:28,436
Punisher, emblem.

792
00:36:28,564 --> 00:36:29,108
>> Will: Yeah.

793
00:36:29,220 --> 00:36:32,148
>> Sarah : Like on a mural. We've seen the tattoos

794
00:36:32,180 --> 00:36:34,980
on the dirty cops. We've. And

795
00:36:35,036 --> 00:36:37,854
now the assassinator, the person who

796
00:36:37,878 --> 00:36:40,764
assassinated Hector was wearing

797
00:36:40,908 --> 00:36:43,632
that symbol on, on a vest.

798
00:36:44,052 --> 00:36:46,152
So I, I, I,

799
00:36:46,532 --> 00:36:49,276
those things make me,

800
00:36:49,364 --> 00:36:51,820
make me more keen to think it's

801
00:36:51,916 --> 00:36:54,796
Muse. Now granted, there could always be a

802
00:36:54,804 --> 00:36:57,756
lifeline, but in this episode we're also

803
00:36:57,924 --> 00:37:00,472
presented with this idea that,

804
00:37:00,932 --> 00:37:03,724
that Fisk, he,

805
00:37:03,828 --> 00:37:06,812
he, he's not really the one who's wanting to

806
00:37:06,852 --> 00:37:09,774
go and play with the rats. it's more, it's more

807
00:37:09,798 --> 00:37:10,622
his wife.

808
00:37:10,782 --> 00:37:11,166
>> Will: Yeah.

809
00:37:11,214 --> 00:37:13,982
>> Sarah : Yeah. So maybe she

810
00:37:14,022 --> 00:37:16,622
did it because she.

811
00:37:16,662 --> 00:37:19,566
>> Will: Said, yeah, she definitely wants, you know, she's not liking the

812
00:37:19,574 --> 00:37:22,414
fact that he's going straight because she's, she has gotten

813
00:37:22,478 --> 00:37:25,374
full head of power, you

814
00:37:25,398 --> 00:37:28,032
know, with, with, without. With the

815
00:37:27,982 --> 00:37:30,918
underworld things that, you know, that Kingpin

816
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:33,654
used to, used to do before he tried, he's trying to go

817
00:37:33,678 --> 00:37:36,604
straight here, but you know, just

818
00:37:36,628 --> 00:37:39,452
real quick on the, on the, on the sigils and stuff too

819
00:37:39,492 --> 00:37:42,364
with the with the cops and, and you know, one of the

820
00:37:42,388 --> 00:37:45,358
things too is Frank, you know, thinking about Frank

821
00:37:45,390 --> 00:37:47,042
Castle and the motivations

822
00:37:47,782 --> 00:37:50,734
about, you know, why he is the

823
00:37:50,758 --> 00:37:53,082
Punisher versus, you know,

824
00:37:53,542 --> 00:37:56,430
these people who, you know, who are operating under

825
00:37:56,486 --> 00:37:59,086
color of law as far as having, you know, a police

826
00:37:59,174 --> 00:38:01,934
shield and you know, co opting the, the

827
00:38:01,958 --> 00:38:04,772
Punishers symbol, to the point that even

828
00:38:04,812 --> 00:38:07,714
in the comics, you know, Frank actually changes the, the

829
00:38:07,738 --> 00:38:10,482
Sigil because it had gotten abused by, by

830
00:38:10,522 --> 00:38:13,458
these bad actors like that, like that we're seeing and that we're

831
00:38:13,490 --> 00:38:16,322
seeing here in the, in the show. And you know, and

832
00:38:16,362 --> 00:38:19,298
I do appreciate that, you know, Marvel

833
00:38:19,490 --> 00:38:22,290
is, you know, the show has some, some,

834
00:38:22,346 --> 00:38:25,252
some, some depth to it and I think that was the other thing that

835
00:38:25,202 --> 00:38:27,730
you know, that with the abuse of authority

836
00:38:27,926 --> 00:38:30,502
and you know, I think they were really

837
00:38:30,542 --> 00:38:33,462
displaying that in this, in this trial as

838
00:38:33,502 --> 00:38:36,344
well that you know, when Matt, you know, in

839
00:38:36,368 --> 00:38:39,256
addition to, you know, outing Hector, but it was, you know, it

840
00:38:39,264 --> 00:38:42,232
was a larger global sense of things that, that

841
00:38:42,272 --> 00:38:44,792
he was trying to, to, you know, to show as

842
00:38:44,832 --> 00:38:45,412
well.

843
00:38:46,642 --> 00:38:49,530
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. It goes back to

844
00:38:49,586 --> 00:38:52,302
that idea of like that

845
00:38:52,342 --> 00:38:55,282
gray area of a ah, vigilante

846
00:38:55,942 --> 00:38:58,254
versus someone trying to get revenge

847
00:38:58,398 --> 00:39:01,022
or seeking vengeance

848
00:39:01,182 --> 00:39:04,158
versus a hero. Yeah, like,

849
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:06,990
or even an anti hero. Like.

850
00:39:07,126 --> 00:39:09,242
And, and I think that's why

851
00:39:10,182 --> 00:39:12,990
especially bringing in the Punisher makes

852
00:39:13,046 --> 00:39:16,046
all the sense in the world and, and should be present

853
00:39:16,134 --> 00:39:18,770
in this because you have, you have

854
00:39:18,826 --> 00:39:21,714
Matt the visual anti. You have, you have

855
00:39:21,738 --> 00:39:24,594
the Punisher, the quote unquote anti hero. And then you have

856
00:39:24,618 --> 00:39:27,522
Fisk who like in his

857
00:39:27,562 --> 00:39:30,162
own right is, is also a three

858
00:39:30,202 --> 00:39:32,322
dimensional character who's not

859
00:39:32,362 --> 00:39:35,266
necessarily purely evil, but

860
00:39:35,354 --> 00:39:38,162
who has gone about the

861
00:39:38,202 --> 00:39:41,186
desire for power in his way and, and also

862
00:39:41,274 --> 00:39:43,680
to protect people. He filled the hole.

863
00:39:43,866 --> 00:39:44,792
Okay,

864
00:39:47,212 --> 00:39:50,084
but, but yeah, I think you raise

865
00:39:50,148 --> 00:39:52,512
a great point that they are,

866
00:39:52,972 --> 00:39:55,876
they are though those shades

867
00:39:56,004 --> 00:39:58,112
of the definition between,

868
00:39:58,572 --> 00:40:01,076
between hero, vigilante, anti

869
00:40:01,124 --> 00:40:03,762
hero are are being

870
00:40:04,462 --> 00:40:07,302
diluted in, in this, in

871
00:40:07,342 --> 00:40:09,894
this story with these characters.

872
00:40:10,038 --> 00:40:12,934
>> Will: Yeah yeah. And you know, it even like as I said

873
00:40:12,958 --> 00:40:15,846
with the trial and we can move back all back. You know, we could talk a

874
00:40:15,854 --> 00:40:18,502
little bit about Fisk and Vanessa, but also with summations

875
00:40:18,582 --> 00:40:21,430
that. And their closing arguments whether worth Matt and

876
00:40:21,486 --> 00:40:24,312
also, and even the da, you know, with. I

877
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,128
thought I was really, I really like the DA's closing as well.

878
00:40:27,168 --> 00:40:29,944
Because, you know, he was, he was rebounding. Matt's like, you know, yeah,

879
00:40:29,976 --> 00:40:32,708
Hector may be a good man, but, you know, even good people

880
00:40:33,248 --> 00:40:36,168
to refute some of the testimonials, including a little

881
00:40:36,208 --> 00:40:39,158
shout out to, you know, to Jefferson Morales, you know,

882
00:40:39,198 --> 00:40:41,620
that the, you know, good people can still do bad things.

883
00:40:41,724 --> 00:40:44,660
So, you know, this, this show, I'm really enjoying it

884
00:40:44,684 --> 00:40:47,620
because it's just, it has, when you just sit back

885
00:40:47,644 --> 00:40:50,580
and just really think about some of the themes that they're, they're addressing that

886
00:40:50,604 --> 00:40:53,604
it's, it's, it's, I'm proud of Disney

887
00:40:53,636 --> 00:40:54,248
plus.

888
00:40:55,548 --> 00:40:58,452
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. I mean, as long as Disney plus has

889
00:40:58,460 --> 00:41:00,898
an R rating, they're good. Yeah,

890
00:41:01,558 --> 00:41:04,382
no, no, no, they've been good. I, I didn't

891
00:41:04,430 --> 00:41:06,670
forget about Agatha all along. That was a

892
00:41:06,694 --> 00:41:09,542
surprise. especially

893
00:41:09,630 --> 00:41:12,480
the ending. But, but yeah, I, I

894
00:41:12,504 --> 00:41:15,488
think my only thing that I really

895
00:41:15,528 --> 00:41:18,398
have left to, to just point out,

896
00:41:18,348 --> 00:41:21,334
before to move on to invincible, is, is

897
00:41:21,406 --> 00:41:24,058
just the, the breakfast

898
00:41:24,548 --> 00:41:27,260
conversation between Fisk and Vanessa

899
00:41:27,324 --> 00:41:30,140
because. Could have

900
00:41:30,164 --> 00:41:32,972
gone longer. I kind of wish it had gone

901
00:41:33,020 --> 00:41:35,548
longer. But again, in the first

902
00:41:35,588 --> 00:41:38,316
episode we have the beautiful scene between

903
00:41:38,372 --> 00:41:40,988
Fisk and Matt in the diner. And this is

904
00:41:41,028 --> 00:41:43,516
another just, just a war of

905
00:41:43,572 --> 00:41:46,528
words and a, and a tennis,

906
00:41:46,978 --> 00:41:49,746
match of, of conversation, of

907
00:41:49,802 --> 00:41:52,518
experience. And that really fleshes out where

908
00:41:52,558 --> 00:41:55,270
these characters are, why they're at

909
00:41:55,294 --> 00:41:57,638
odds with each other and

910
00:41:57,758 --> 00:42:00,438
the, the potential power moves at

911
00:42:00,478 --> 00:42:02,968
play. and yet, and yet there's still,

912
00:42:04,228 --> 00:42:07,196
there's still a clear

913
00:42:07,332 --> 00:42:09,388
attraction and affection

914
00:42:09,548 --> 00:42:12,476
occurring. They're not like,

915
00:42:12,532 --> 00:42:15,374
she's, she's not being held prisoner

916
00:42:15,476 --> 00:42:17,718
in any way. However,

917
00:42:18,418 --> 00:42:21,330
she does, she, she rose to the occasion

918
00:42:21,378 --> 00:42:24,114
while he was gone and she does

919
00:42:24,170 --> 00:42:27,090
not like how he's come back and been like, oh,

920
00:42:27,138 --> 00:42:29,906
well, thank you, but now we're going to do this. And it's like,

921
00:42:29,946 --> 00:42:32,498
whoa, I was in control. I,

922
00:42:32,682 --> 00:42:35,490
I, I was becoming my own.

923
00:42:35,578 --> 00:42:38,434
And, and which, which makes sense.

924
00:42:38,610 --> 00:42:41,276
That length of time apart and then

925
00:42:41,316 --> 00:42:44,216
to have to take control

926
00:42:44,516 --> 00:42:46,656
of that type of organization

927
00:42:48,036 --> 00:42:50,892
like you, you either rise

928
00:42:50,924 --> 00:42:53,468
or you fail. And she rose to the

929
00:42:53,492 --> 00:42:56,092
occasion and she's,

930
00:42:56,204 --> 00:42:59,164
and, and that affected her. Like, she's not

931
00:42:59,220 --> 00:43:01,932
the same person who he

932
00:43:02,004 --> 00:43:04,556
married and not the same person

933
00:43:04,676 --> 00:43:07,596
who he, he left, essentially.

934
00:43:08,926 --> 00:43:11,606
so, and he's trying to come to terms with

935
00:43:11,646 --> 00:43:14,598
that, but also she's now facing the

936
00:43:14,622 --> 00:43:17,206
reality Fisk ain't the same person either.

937
00:43:17,286 --> 00:43:19,926
Now, I say that with like an

938
00:43:19,966 --> 00:43:22,774
asterisk, okay, Because

939
00:43:22,830 --> 00:43:25,186
I know, I know he's, I,

940
00:43:27,726 --> 00:43:30,598
I, I keep using this word because it's the only one

941
00:43:30,622 --> 00:43:33,328
that comes to mind. There's a subtleness happening

942
00:43:33,392 --> 00:43:36,336
here where. Where we're getting a long burn. And

943
00:43:36,376 --> 00:43:39,248
I'm not talking about a romantic long burn. They are

944
00:43:39,272 --> 00:43:42,000
being very careful with how they present

945
00:43:42,088 --> 00:43:44,976
Fisk and. And what we see

946
00:43:45,016 --> 00:43:47,776
and what we're purposely not at the moment

947
00:43:47,856 --> 00:43:50,560
seen. So it's.

948
00:43:50,688 --> 00:43:53,156
It allows for an uneasiness,

949
00:43:54,226 --> 00:43:57,178
and allows for when we actually

950
00:43:57,282 --> 00:43:59,462
see. See, Fisk being

951
00:43:59,534 --> 00:44:01,606
kingpin makes him more

952
00:44:01,646 --> 00:44:04,376
terrifying. and. And. Or at least

953
00:44:04,416 --> 00:44:07,394
that's what I think is happening here. So, did

954
00:44:07,450 --> 00:44:09,938
you have any thoughts about Fisk and

955
00:44:09,962 --> 00:44:12,898
Vanessa or anything else you want to mention before we head

956
00:44:12,922 --> 00:44:14,166
into Invincible?

957
00:44:14,826 --> 00:44:17,778
>> Will: You know, I mean, really, I think that covers most

958
00:44:17,802 --> 00:44:20,578
of it. I mean, one thing I know we didn't really talk about

959
00:44:20,682 --> 00:44:23,594
last week with Fisk and Vanessa was, you know, in addition

960
00:44:23,650 --> 00:44:26,410
to the things that you talked about with their relationship and

961
00:44:26,498 --> 00:44:28,446
while he was. Huh?

962
00:44:29,106 --> 00:44:32,026
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But

963
00:44:32,066 --> 00:44:34,862
just, you know, just the, You know, there. The other thing that they're

964
00:44:34,894 --> 00:44:37,822
dealing with too, is, Vanessa's infidelity while Fisk

965
00:44:37,854 --> 00:44:39,544
was, with.

966
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:40,008
>> Sarah : With.

967
00:44:40,112 --> 00:44:43,076
>> Will: With the character, you know, when he's like, I knew Adam. And so,

968
00:44:43,456 --> 00:44:46,250
so there's that aspect of the gulf

969
00:44:46,298 --> 00:44:48,842
in their relationship as well, and, you know,

970
00:44:48,994 --> 00:44:51,418
that you're trying to. To. To

971
00:44:51,442 --> 00:44:54,298
reconcile in addition to all the other things that you

972
00:44:54,322 --> 00:44:56,766
articulated about the, the power and Vanessa,

973
00:44:57,368 --> 00:45:00,360
you know, keeping things moving while ever. When he was. When he

974
00:45:00,368 --> 00:45:02,256
was, recovering from the, gunshot.

975
00:45:02,916 --> 00:45:05,772
>> Sarah : Yeah. All right, well, that brings

976
00:45:05,804 --> 00:45:08,588
us to Invincible. We have two episodes

977
00:45:08,652 --> 00:45:11,624
to cover. We're kind of gonna, cover

978
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,096
them together, as we

979
00:45:14,136 --> 00:45:17,104
normally do. We have episode six. All I can

980
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,154
say is I'm sorry, where

981
00:45:20,210 --> 00:45:22,698
a powerful new figure challenges

982
00:45:22,762 --> 00:45:25,466
Mark's idea of what's right and what's wrong. And

983
00:45:25,506 --> 00:45:28,154
Rey approaches Rex with a big life decision.

984
00:45:28,290 --> 00:45:31,126
And episode seven, what have I Done?

985
00:45:31,506 --> 00:45:34,234
Where Earth's greatest heroes join

986
00:45:34,410 --> 00:45:36,858
forces to fight an unimaginable

987
00:45:36,922 --> 00:45:39,658
threat. And I, I think

988
00:45:39,682 --> 00:45:42,346
it's safe to say, Will, that with these two

989
00:45:42,386 --> 00:45:45,378
episodes, like last week, we were talking

990
00:45:45,442 --> 00:45:48,066
about how it's just like,

991
00:45:49,136 --> 00:45:50,756
these weren't doing it

992
00:45:52,016 --> 00:45:54,856
for. For numerous reasons. And then these

993
00:45:54,896 --> 00:45:57,336
two episodes, it's like, okay, we're back in the

994
00:45:57,376 --> 00:46:00,216
game. Here we

995
00:46:00,256 --> 00:46:02,664
are. We're getting some payoffs.

996
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,640
And, I mean, it started off a little shaky

997
00:46:05,688 --> 00:46:08,248
because essentially episode

998
00:46:08,312 --> 00:46:10,530
six is really about Scott

999
00:46:10,578 --> 00:46:13,320
Duvall, who is a

1000
00:46:13,408 --> 00:46:15,912
survivor of the Chicago incident.

1001
00:46:16,024 --> 00:46:18,840
But while he survived, his sister

1002
00:46:18,888 --> 00:46:21,576
and his niece did not. And

1003
00:46:21,696 --> 00:46:24,536
his journey, which. Which

1004
00:46:24,576 --> 00:46:27,576
leads him on this journey to becoming Powerplex and

1005
00:46:27,616 --> 00:46:30,440
a villain who's after, who wants

1006
00:46:30,488 --> 00:46:32,756
justice, by it,

1007
00:46:34,036 --> 00:46:36,892
wants justice for what occurred and, and fully

1008
00:46:36,924 --> 00:46:39,692
blames Invincible on it as,

1009
00:46:39,764 --> 00:46:42,268
as he, as he should in a

1010
00:46:42,292 --> 00:46:45,114
way. I kind of like that idea.

1011
00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:48,220
But, there's a, between both episodes

1012
00:46:48,268 --> 00:46:50,988
there's a lot of conversation about accountability,

1013
00:46:51,132 --> 00:46:51,692
I think.

1014
00:46:51,764 --> 00:46:52,844
>> Will: Yes. Yeah.

1015
00:46:52,940 --> 00:46:55,836
>> Sarah : And, and, and that's what stuck out to

1016
00:46:55,876 --> 00:46:58,716
me. And like I can't.

1017
00:46:59,216 --> 00:47:02,088
Powerplex kept walking a

1018
00:47:02,112 --> 00:47:04,920
line of be, of being like, oh,

1019
00:47:04,968 --> 00:47:07,912
this is a really interesting character. And then, oh, you,

1020
00:47:07,984 --> 00:47:10,984
you've gone into the mustache twirling villain

1021
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,056
archetype here and it, and, and

1022
00:47:14,096 --> 00:47:17,070
he throughout both episodes he, he kind of

1023
00:47:17,158 --> 00:47:19,998
walked that line. But, and I

1024
00:47:20,022 --> 00:47:22,366
think it's almost unpurposeful

1025
00:47:22,446 --> 00:47:25,306
because the,

1026
00:47:25,846 --> 00:47:28,590
to an extent, at some point it becomes

1027
00:47:28,638 --> 00:47:31,102
hypocrisy and it's just like,

1028
00:47:31,174 --> 00:47:34,174
okay, yes, that happened

1029
00:47:34,350 --> 00:47:37,246
and you, and you should get justice and

1030
00:47:37,366 --> 00:47:40,110
your sister and your niece shouldn't have died. And

1031
00:47:40,198 --> 00:47:42,974
yes, that, that is so sad and

1032
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:45,182
everything. But then you make

1033
00:47:45,254 --> 00:47:46,146
choices

1034
00:47:49,786 --> 00:47:52,402
and before you know it, you've inadvertently

1035
00:47:52,514 --> 00:47:54,946
killed your wife and son,

1036
00:47:55,106 --> 00:47:58,086
which, So, so, and,

1037
00:47:58,126 --> 00:48:00,694
but you refuse. Like it's all because of

1038
00:48:00,750 --> 00:48:03,238
Invisible. Well, well, yeah, that was an

1039
00:48:03,262 --> 00:48:06,118
event, but your reaction

1040
00:48:06,262 --> 00:48:08,646
is your own choice to having that

1041
00:48:08,686 --> 00:48:11,622
occurred. So I, I, I like that

1042
00:48:11,694 --> 00:48:14,502
especially because we're dealing with

1043
00:48:14,574 --> 00:48:17,242
Mark. Mark's conflict this season

1044
00:48:17,394 --> 00:48:20,026
is all about choices and

1045
00:48:20,146 --> 00:48:22,394
his own reactions to things and

1046
00:48:22,530 --> 00:48:25,392
him, trying to figure out

1047
00:48:25,464 --> 00:48:28,416
what accountability is for him as a

1048
00:48:28,456 --> 00:48:30,916
person and as Invincible.

1049
00:48:32,136 --> 00:48:35,024
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. I mean that, I think that's really

1050
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,696
what stood out to me with both of these

1051
00:48:37,736 --> 00:48:40,608
episodes. It's just, you know, Mark coming to

1052
00:48:40,632 --> 00:48:43,536
grips and even stick on episode six right

1053
00:48:43,576 --> 00:48:46,518
now. you know, you know, throughout

1054
00:48:46,582 --> 00:48:49,574
the beginning of the episode and throughout

1055
00:48:49,590 --> 00:48:52,470
the episode, you know, he was concerned about, you know, the,

1056
00:48:52,558 --> 00:48:55,386
the memorial, you know, what happened in Chicago.

1057
00:48:55,746 --> 00:48:58,558
and and of course, you know, going there as

1058
00:48:58,582 --> 00:49:01,468
Mark, not as Invincible, but but also, you

1059
00:49:01,492 --> 00:49:04,096
know, getting back to Powerplex and, and Scott,

1060
00:49:04,436 --> 00:49:07,004
the, yeah, he did fall into

1061
00:49:07,060 --> 00:49:09,884
sometimes the mustache twirly villain role, but he,

1062
00:49:09,940 --> 00:49:12,666
he also reminded me of, you know,

1063
00:49:13,606 --> 00:49:16,414
I'll pull a Star Trek reference here of, of Khan,

1064
00:49:16,590 --> 00:49:19,406
where he was just so consumed by revenge

1065
00:49:19,486 --> 00:49:21,950
that, you know, come hell or high water,

1066
00:49:22,118 --> 00:49:25,038
I'm, you know, I don't care who gets hurt even, you

1067
00:49:25,062 --> 00:49:28,014
know, and, and also that I'm

1068
00:49:28,030 --> 00:49:30,982
going to get my revenge on, On Invincible to the

1069
00:49:31,006 --> 00:49:33,810
place where it, you know, like as you said, I mean, he,

1070
00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:36,502
in their big fight There at the end of the

1071
00:49:36,526 --> 00:49:38,240
episode, he,

1072
00:49:39,500 --> 00:49:42,276
you know, he ends up killing his. His family.

1073
00:49:42,348 --> 00:49:45,348
And. And then, of course, you know, and then whenever they do see

1074
00:49:45,404 --> 00:49:48,340
one another, when Mark, you know, whenever he is finally apprehended and

1075
00:49:48,380 --> 00:49:50,980
put in a prison, you know, he's still. That

1076
00:49:51,020 --> 00:49:54,020
revenge. I think that's what really just drove it home for me,

1077
00:49:54,060 --> 00:49:57,012
was that. That. That hatred and that revenge.

1078
00:49:57,076 --> 00:49:59,120
He could, you know, he can't even, like,

1079
00:50:00,700 --> 00:50:03,644
you know, it's just fueling him and so,

1080
00:50:03,732 --> 00:50:06,540
so, so, so much that, you know, maybe, you know, he's not

1081
00:50:06,580 --> 00:50:09,548
introspective. And it was a good contrast juxtaposition between

1082
00:50:09,604 --> 00:50:12,040
him and Mark because Mark is.

1083
00:50:12,980 --> 00:50:15,852
Is introspective, and he's. He's trying to come to

1084
00:50:15,876 --> 00:50:18,172
grips with, like you said, all the, you know, how much

1085
00:50:18,196 --> 00:50:21,100
responsibility is all of this due to

1086
00:50:21,140 --> 00:50:24,108
him, you know, how much is it, you know, to omn man, because,

1087
00:50:24,164 --> 00:50:27,160
you know, that. That initial fight that we saw at the end of the first season,

1088
00:50:27,540 --> 00:50:30,528
you know, was him, you know, was him and his dad,

1089
00:50:30,624 --> 00:50:33,540
you know, having their big showdown.

1090
00:50:33,780 --> 00:50:36,492
and so I. I really. I

1091
00:50:36,516 --> 00:50:39,276
think this, you know, episode six and seven

1092
00:50:39,348 --> 00:50:42,348
both really just drove this. The season

1093
00:50:42,404 --> 00:50:45,020
just kind of kicked into overdrive as far as, like,

1094
00:50:45,140 --> 00:50:48,028
wow, this is. This is really, really enjoyable. I'm

1095
00:50:48,044 --> 00:50:50,760
liking what they're doing as far as just really

1096
00:50:51,060 --> 00:50:54,010
using Mark using, you know, Powerplex as,

1097
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,676
As a. As a foil to, you know, to really

1098
00:50:56,748 --> 00:50:59,348
show the two. The things that. How.

1099
00:50:59,404 --> 00:50:59,764
>> Sarah : How.

1100
00:50:59,852 --> 00:51:01,960
>> Will: How Mark could have easily had gone.

1101
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,750
>> Sarah : well, and it's also like,

1102
00:51:05,050 --> 00:51:08,018
I don't. I don't know if it's how he could have gone.

1103
00:51:08,114 --> 00:51:11,090
I think that it's more along the lines,

1104
00:51:11,170 --> 00:51:13,714
and it goes back to what we were just talking about

1105
00:51:13,882 --> 00:51:16,850
with Daredevil. It's like,

1106
00:51:16,890 --> 00:51:19,106
to your point, it went from

1107
00:51:19,178 --> 00:51:21,268
justice to vengeance.

1108
00:51:21,434 --> 00:51:21,872
>> Will: Yeah.

1109
00:51:21,936 --> 00:51:24,896
>> Sarah : And then how. Vengeance is

1110
00:51:24,968 --> 00:51:27,744
more of the evil side, and

1111
00:51:27,832 --> 00:51:30,560
suddenly it's like, no, you're just. You just want

1112
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,488
revenge. And then. And then the question is,

1113
00:51:33,544 --> 00:51:36,400
once you get revenge, when. Where does it

1114
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:37,024
end?

1115
00:51:37,192 --> 00:51:37,568
>> Will: Right.

1116
00:51:37,624 --> 00:51:40,240
>> Sarah : And. And. And I. I kind of like the

1117
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,152
idea. Throughout this whole episode, he kept. He

1118
00:51:43,176 --> 00:51:45,340
kept trying to. To get.

1119
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,402
And Mark kept, inadvertently avoiding

1120
00:51:49,466 --> 00:51:49,834
him.

1121
00:51:49,922 --> 00:51:52,202
>> Will: Yeah, well, Mark. Yeah. Yeah.

1122
00:51:52,346 --> 00:51:55,258
>> Sarah : Which. Which was good. I mean, at first, it really

1123
00:51:55,314 --> 00:51:58,266
was inadvertently, and then it was.

1124
00:51:58,418 --> 00:52:01,210
Was more like, yeah, you shouldn't be up against this

1125
00:52:01,250 --> 00:52:03,590
person because of your own human

1126
00:52:03,890 --> 00:52:06,630
issues with, like, what did happen,

1127
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,362
during the Chicago incident.

1128
00:52:09,506 --> 00:52:12,322
But. But also why I say, I don't think

1129
00:52:12,346 --> 00:52:15,036
it's necessarily that he was a Good friend Foil.

1130
00:52:15,148 --> 00:52:18,012
For, for Mark, it's that

1131
00:52:18,196 --> 00:52:21,036
I think having him and having

1132
00:52:21,108 --> 00:52:23,840
episode six set up Powerplex

1133
00:52:24,740 --> 00:52:26,972
and kind of be a self contained

1134
00:52:27,036 --> 00:52:28,028
episode.

1135
00:52:28,204 --> 00:52:28,972
>> Will: Yeah.

1136
00:52:29,116 --> 00:52:31,596
>> Sarah : Because of Angstrom

1137
00:52:31,788 --> 00:52:34,412
and what the journey we've been on

1138
00:52:34,516 --> 00:52:37,132
with the evolution of that character

1139
00:52:37,196 --> 00:52:39,858
and vendetta he has had.

1140
00:52:40,044 --> 00:52:42,998
He's also someone who has been

1141
00:52:43,054 --> 00:52:45,958
consumed with taking out Invincible

1142
00:52:46,054 --> 00:52:48,918
because he, because of who

1143
00:52:48,974 --> 00:52:51,606
he became as a result of

1144
00:52:51,678 --> 00:52:54,566
something that Mark did, but also as a result

1145
00:52:54,638 --> 00:52:57,190
of his own choices. So it kind of

1146
00:52:57,230 --> 00:52:59,894
allowed us not to

1147
00:53:00,062 --> 00:53:02,566
have another Angstrom heavy

1148
00:53:02,598 --> 00:53:04,934
episode while at the same time

1149
00:53:05,102 --> 00:53:07,530
that. That

1150
00:53:08,070 --> 00:53:10,818
theme, to still be carried through and

1151
00:53:10,874 --> 00:53:13,394
then setting us up for the big

1152
00:53:13,562 --> 00:53:16,482
Angstrom moment. That is just like

1153
00:53:16,506 --> 00:53:19,346
the brilliance idea of like, well,

1154
00:53:19,418 --> 00:53:22,370
I'm gonna finally show the world how evil Invincible is

1155
00:53:22,410 --> 00:53:25,282
by unleashing all of the evil versions of

1156
00:53:25,306 --> 00:53:28,194
him on the planet. Yeah, yeah. Cool,

1157
00:53:28,242 --> 00:53:29,270
cool, cool.

1158
00:53:31,210 --> 00:53:33,906
And then we're gonna play a Billie Eilish song

1159
00:53:33,938 --> 00:53:36,568
and really dig deep into the field.

1160
00:53:36,754 --> 00:53:39,740
>> Will: Yeah, for

1161
00:53:39,780 --> 00:53:42,744
sure, for sure. Yeah. yeah, I

1162
00:53:42,752 --> 00:53:45,656
think you're. Yeah, you're right. I mean maybe foil is not the right word

1163
00:53:45,688 --> 00:53:48,602
for, for Powerplex. I mean I think, you know, I think But

1164
00:53:48,706 --> 00:53:51,690
Powerplex, watching these episodes back to

1165
00:53:51,730 --> 00:53:54,490
back really, it,

1166
00:53:54,610 --> 00:53:57,530
it wasn't as you said, a very self contained episode, but it

1167
00:53:57,570 --> 00:54:00,250
did, it did do the

1168
00:54:00,290 --> 00:54:03,116
job of of setting up, having that self contained

1169
00:54:03,148 --> 00:54:05,548
episode. Did a good job of just sort of setting up

1170
00:54:05,684 --> 00:54:08,684
the, you know, whenever we do see Angstrom return

1171
00:54:08,772 --> 00:54:11,420
and in episode seven and, and,

1172
00:54:11,540 --> 00:54:14,444
and and unleash the plan that, you know,

1173
00:54:14,452 --> 00:54:17,308
the thing that Cecil's always been worried about like you

1174
00:54:17,364 --> 00:54:20,092
know, what, what would happen if

1175
00:54:20,116 --> 00:54:22,844
Mark just you know,

1176
00:54:23,012 --> 00:54:25,596
did go full out, you know, evil

1177
00:54:25,628 --> 00:54:28,408
Viltrumite. Like you're supposed to and,

1178
00:54:28,464 --> 00:54:31,176
and conquer the world and you know, and we see the,

1179
00:54:31,328 --> 00:54:34,216
we see the impact of that with all the other marks

1180
00:54:34,248 --> 00:54:36,808
from all the other various dimensions and, and things

1181
00:54:36,864 --> 00:54:39,814
that, and their stories. with, with some

1182
00:54:39,822 --> 00:54:42,790
of them I know there were. With those 18 of them I

1183
00:54:42,830 --> 00:54:44,086
believe that he brought in.

1184
00:54:44,238 --> 00:54:47,206
>> Sarah : Yeah, there, there were, there were a lot of marks

1185
00:54:47,238 --> 00:54:49,782
and then there weren't as many marks

1186
00:54:49,846 --> 00:54:51,330
and they.

1187
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,920
Some of the. Once the marks did get together

1188
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,880
after all of the, the days on of

1189
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,888
fighting and us losing people. R.I.P.

1190
00:55:01,984 --> 00:55:04,760
rex. right when I was starting to like

1191
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,566
Rex. But Yeah for me is also like.

1192
00:55:07,718 --> 00:55:10,606
I don't like. There's always. It's

1193
00:55:10,638 --> 00:55:13,470
really hard. I, I want to believe people

1194
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:15,646
are dead but fool me want

1195
00:55:15,718 --> 00:55:16,606
comics.

1196
00:55:16,798 --> 00:55:17,570
>> Will: Yeah.

1197
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:21,640
>> Sarah : There's this weird line but

1198
00:55:21,820 --> 00:55:24,254
What Was I gonna say. I was gonna say something

1199
00:55:24,342 --> 00:55:26,574
about all the.

1200
00:55:26,662 --> 00:55:28,062
>> Will: All the various marks.

1201
00:55:28,206 --> 00:55:31,090
>> Sarah : Yeah, I'll. I like that moment.

1202
00:55:31,110 --> 00:55:33,924
right before they betray Angstrom, and

1203
00:55:34,092 --> 00:55:37,090
they were talking about the,

1204
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,832
the, the deals that

1205
00:55:39,856 --> 00:55:42,712
they've made with Angstrom and, And the

1206
00:55:42,736 --> 00:55:45,310
third. The lines of, like, not all of us

1207
00:55:45,350 --> 00:55:48,078
killed Mom. I'm actually here

1208
00:55:48,214 --> 00:55:50,878
to grab mom and take her back to my

1209
00:55:50,934 --> 00:55:53,822
planet because she's dead. Like, all of

1210
00:55:53,846 --> 00:55:56,830
this stuff. And where. Where

1211
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:59,582
it's not necessarily just that they're the

1212
00:55:59,606 --> 00:56:02,462
evil versions. Like, their stories

1213
00:56:02,526 --> 00:56:04,926
are different. Like, significant

1214
00:56:05,078 --> 00:56:07,918
things happen that caused

1215
00:56:08,014 --> 00:56:10,574
their outcome to not

1216
00:56:10,662 --> 00:56:13,480
be the same as Marx, resulting

1217
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,390
in this very different version,

1218
00:56:17,020 --> 00:56:19,820
of Invincible, which.

1219
00:56:19,940 --> 00:56:22,940
Which is what a. A

1220
00:56:22,980 --> 00:56:25,820
plot involving multiple dimensions

1221
00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:28,396
should do. Like, that should be.

1222
00:56:28,548 --> 00:56:31,532
And I mean, it's taken us a few seasons to

1223
00:56:31,556 --> 00:56:34,412
get here, but I. I do

1224
00:56:34,516 --> 00:56:37,174
really appreciate the payoff. and.

1225
00:56:37,262 --> 00:56:40,118
And so. And on that note, can we just. Can we let

1226
00:56:40,174 --> 00:56:42,678
Angstrom be for a little bit and hang out with

1227
00:56:42,734 --> 00:56:45,700
his. His now owners, on

1228
00:56:45,740 --> 00:56:48,340
the. On the technician world?

1229
00:56:48,460 --> 00:56:50,880
Because. Because I also.

1230
00:56:51,260 --> 00:56:54,228
I feel like Angstrom at least

1231
00:56:54,364 --> 00:56:56,420
has been like, we. We got his

1232
00:56:56,460 --> 00:56:59,204
backstory. We got a payoff in season

1233
00:56:59,292 --> 00:57:01,716
two. Now we're getting another one in season

1234
00:57:01,788 --> 00:57:04,472
three. Okay. And. And hey, Mark.

1235
00:57:04,576 --> 00:57:07,400
Mark even killed him at one point or so we

1236
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,376
thought. I think. I just.

1237
00:57:10,448 --> 00:57:13,160
I feel like the Angstrom card is getting a bit

1238
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,672
overplayed. And. And

1239
00:57:15,776 --> 00:57:18,760
really we're just now waiting for the

1240
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,320
Vulture mite of it all. Because that's the

1241
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,252
true. That, That's season four, right?

1242
00:57:25,112 --> 00:57:27,952
>> Will: Yeah. yeah. I mean, I know the finale dropped today,

1243
00:57:28,072 --> 00:57:30,736
so we'll obviously, we'll cover that. That next week, of

1244
00:57:30,744 --> 00:57:32,800
course, Conquest there.

1245
00:57:32,856 --> 00:57:35,824
>> Sarah : But that's where they're headed. They're headed to the

1246
00:57:35,848 --> 00:57:38,384
Vulture Mite showdown and everything.

1247
00:57:38,568 --> 00:57:40,892
There's a reason why we didn't see,

1248
00:57:41,832 --> 00:57:44,688
Allan or Nolan in these

1249
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:45,904
two episodes.

1250
00:57:46,048 --> 00:57:48,720
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, that. Yeah, yeah, that,

1251
00:57:48,776 --> 00:57:51,568
that. That storyline. And obviously

1252
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,402
haven't. I haven't watched the finale yet, so I don't know if they show up

1253
00:57:54,512 --> 00:57:57,414
in the finale or not. But, But, But yeah, and

1254
00:57:57,438 --> 00:58:00,326
I haven't read, you know, I haven't read the comics, so I don't, you know, so

1255
00:58:00,334 --> 00:58:03,222
I'm really going in blind with this. With this

1256
00:58:03,262 --> 00:58:06,214
story. But, But yeah, you're right. I think it definitely, you know, we will get that

1257
00:58:06,238 --> 00:58:09,032
ultimate showdown at some point, in. In season four

1258
00:58:09,072 --> 00:58:10,612
or, you know, five

1259
00:58:11,952 --> 00:58:14,344
or some point in the future, but.

1260
00:58:14,528 --> 00:58:15,572
>> Sarah : In the future.

1261
00:58:15,872 --> 00:58:18,182
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

1262
00:58:19,962 --> 00:58:22,112
>> Sarah : Yeah. No, I'm just. I'M just,

1263
00:58:22,852 --> 00:58:25,752
I, I talked a lot there. So

1264
00:58:26,292 --> 00:58:29,166
what, are, what are. Do you like. Is

1265
00:58:29,206 --> 00:58:31,870
there anything specifically about episode

1266
00:58:31,918 --> 00:58:33,626
seven you want to touch on?

1267
00:58:34,216 --> 00:58:37,056
>> Will: you know, I think I do.

1268
00:58:38,636 --> 00:58:41,208
Other than the there's the fighting

1269
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,094
Marks and of course, you know, and we, you know, with

1270
00:58:44,118 --> 00:58:46,740
Eve and her, her,

1271
00:58:46,876 --> 00:58:49,796
her role of just, you know, being. Helping Mark,

1272
00:58:49,964 --> 00:58:52,868
you know, be, be that supportive person

1273
00:58:52,940 --> 00:58:55,524
that he, that he needs in, in, in all of

1274
00:58:55,548 --> 00:58:58,330
this. and then of course, you know, she was, she was taken

1275
00:58:58,386 --> 00:59:00,552
off the board and then Mark,

1276
00:59:01,632 --> 00:59:04,346
you know, took himself out of the fight, you know, to be

1277
00:59:04,434 --> 00:59:06,938
beside her and you know,

1278
00:59:07,010 --> 00:59:09,818
and, and you know, Cecil having to come back

1279
00:59:09,890 --> 00:59:12,874
and you know. Yeah.

1280
00:59:13,018 --> 00:59:15,882
>> Sarah : Can I just say something about the Eve of it all for

1281
00:59:15,922 --> 00:59:18,474
a moment? So why I'm

1282
00:59:18,538 --> 00:59:20,986
not. And you know me, I'm a classic

1283
00:59:21,034 --> 00:59:23,946
shipper. Okay. I love me a romantic storyline.

1284
00:59:23,994 --> 00:59:26,954
But we talked about this last week and even with

1285
00:59:26,978 --> 00:59:29,836
these episodes we have the awkward interaction

1286
00:59:29,954 --> 00:59:32,934
or at first awkward meeting of Amber's new

1287
00:59:32,958 --> 00:59:35,510
boyfriend and Mark. Like they

1288
00:59:35,566 --> 00:59:37,322
moved too fast.

1289
00:59:38,302 --> 00:59:41,238
I have whiplash. And so I

1290
00:59:41,310 --> 00:59:44,118
just. The fact that Eve ended up getting hurt

1291
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:47,014
and then Mark refused, like, wanted to stay

1292
00:59:47,038 --> 00:59:49,382
by her bedside. I was like, I want, I want

1293
00:59:49,422 --> 00:59:51,878
to, I want to feel like

1294
00:59:52,030 --> 00:59:54,534
yay. But I don't. I just don't. There's,

1295
00:59:54,598 --> 00:59:57,250
there's. For some reason they did

1296
00:59:57,306 --> 01:00:00,050
not. They, they rushed and they

1297
01:00:00,106 --> 01:00:03,012
didn't do this, in a manner where I can really

1298
01:00:03,052 --> 01:00:05,828
get on board with these two for, for whatever

1299
01:00:05,860 --> 01:00:08,852
reason, which is weird because I, I

1300
01:00:08,972 --> 01:00:11,872
feel like I should have been on board in season one.

1301
01:00:12,052 --> 01:00:14,700
like this, this. But it never got

1302
01:00:14,756 --> 01:00:17,516
there. So, so that's kind of why I

1303
01:00:17,524 --> 01:00:20,428
didn't bring that up. But I will say I did like that,

1304
01:00:20,500 --> 01:00:22,966
that moment between Mark and Eve's

1305
01:00:23,014 --> 01:00:25,910
mom because it was, it was

1306
01:00:25,966 --> 01:00:28,870
very. It, it kind of came out of left field

1307
01:00:28,926 --> 01:00:30,402
of where she just,

1308
01:00:32,062 --> 01:00:34,918
you see, you see her. Just explain

1309
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:37,862
like the irony of it all.

1310
01:00:37,902 --> 01:00:38,950
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

1311
01:00:39,046 --> 01:00:42,038
>> Sarah : And, and the irony of

1312
01:00:42,110 --> 01:00:43,762
having. Of not only,

1313
01:00:44,972 --> 01:00:47,684
not only of someone with powers, but the

1314
01:00:47,708 --> 01:00:50,328
irony of a parent of someone. Someone. I'm like, I'm

1315
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,128
sure Debbie feels the exact same

1316
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,152
way with Mark and Oliver.

1317
01:00:56,312 --> 01:00:59,000
Like, like she, they

1318
01:00:59,056 --> 01:01:01,912
want them to be normal, but

1319
01:01:02,032 --> 01:01:04,952
their, their abilities are also what's keeping them

1320
01:01:04,992 --> 01:01:07,496
safe. It's, it's, it's a double edged

1321
01:01:07,544 --> 01:01:10,424
sword. And to come to terms. So I thought that

1322
01:01:10,448 --> 01:01:13,352
was such a good character

1323
01:01:13,432 --> 01:01:16,404
moment to have amidst a very action

1324
01:01:16,508 --> 01:01:18,072
heavy episode.

1325
01:01:19,612 --> 01:01:22,164
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I like that point.

1326
01:01:22,268 --> 01:01:25,060
Yeah, yeah. I Agree with you. I think that was

1327
01:01:25,116 --> 01:01:27,954
a good, moment that they added there. And you

1328
01:01:27,978 --> 01:01:30,674
know, speaking of like normal too, you know, thinking about Rex

1329
01:01:30,738 --> 01:01:33,482
and and Ray, trying to have normal lives

1330
01:01:33,602 --> 01:01:36,506
and, and you know, when we go thinking about going back

1331
01:01:36,514 --> 01:01:39,380
to episode, you know, 6 and 7

1332
01:01:39,436 --> 01:01:41,312
as far as just talking about

1333
01:01:42,332 --> 01:01:45,140
Ray wanted to give up the superhero life. And, and

1334
01:01:45,196 --> 01:01:47,684
we, and we finally do get Rex's backstory as far

1335
01:01:47,708 --> 01:01:50,552
as you know, the fact that his parents sold him off.

1336
01:01:50,622 --> 01:01:53,494
you know, because you, you know, to, that, to your point about the parents, you

1337
01:01:53,518 --> 01:01:56,420
know, Debbie and even Eve's mom, unders,

1338
01:01:56,468 --> 01:01:59,252
you know, under the motive. You know, they

1339
01:01:59,324 --> 01:02:02,036
are caring and they're concerned about their

1340
01:02:02,076 --> 01:02:04,918
kids. No, but, no, also they do know that their powers keep them

1341
01:02:04,942 --> 01:02:07,942
safe. But at the same time, yeah, there is the risk

1342
01:02:08,014 --> 01:02:10,758
that, you know, comes with it. Whereas, you

1343
01:02:10,782 --> 01:02:13,510
know, poor Rex, his parents just like basically

1344
01:02:13,558 --> 01:02:16,358
used him to, you know, they, they were in poverty and he just, they just

1345
01:02:16,382 --> 01:02:19,302
sold them all so they could just, you know, make a buck.

1346
01:02:19,414 --> 01:02:22,358
And, and, and the impact of that where

1347
01:02:22,382 --> 01:02:25,214
he just basically became a you know, you know, like,

1348
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:28,126
like Homelander where he just grew up in. It, grew up in the seat

1349
01:02:28,206 --> 01:02:31,174
in the lab and, and you know, and it, you know,

1350
01:02:31,230 --> 01:02:34,070
and how it impact how it impacted

1351
01:02:34,118 --> 01:02:37,046
him and then finally like, you know, whenever we do,

1352
01:02:37,166 --> 01:02:40,086
like you said, having get

1353
01:02:40,126 --> 01:02:43,078
into the redemption story for Rex splode and then, you

1354
01:02:43,102 --> 01:02:46,006
know, and then we, and then we lose them and I, I,

1355
01:02:46,046 --> 01:02:48,998
you know, and I do think Rex is, Rex is

1356
01:02:49,022 --> 01:02:51,464
gone unfortunately. But but you know,

1357
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,356
but it I, I like the way that even

1358
01:02:54,396 --> 01:02:56,896
with the supporting characters in this show,

1359
01:02:57,276 --> 01:03:00,018
they, they're, they're, they're really helping them to

1360
01:03:00,042 --> 01:03:02,898
become, you know, three dimensional people because I mean Rex

1361
01:03:02,962 --> 01:03:05,714
really was a two dimensional jerk when we first met him in season

1362
01:03:05,770 --> 01:03:08,722
one. And we've seen the growth over, over time

1363
01:03:08,794 --> 01:03:11,762
and then, you know, but, but to the point where we're just talking about,

1364
01:03:11,834 --> 01:03:14,690
you know, trying to have normal lives. You know, these, these,

1365
01:03:14,778 --> 01:03:17,706
these people can't, and I think just this, this show

1366
01:03:17,746 --> 01:03:20,564
does you know, it does explore like

1367
01:03:20,668 --> 01:03:22,820
the how, how you know, how

1368
01:03:22,876 --> 01:03:25,650
superheroes can't, have normal lives.

1369
01:03:25,644 --> 01:03:28,470
because even if they try to walk away, they'll

1370
01:03:28,502 --> 01:03:31,270
get pulled right back in because even Ray was trying to suit

1371
01:03:31,302 --> 01:03:33,948
up, when, when the threat came and,

1372
01:03:34,036 --> 01:03:36,940
and, and Rex was like, no, no, you know, you're

1373
01:03:36,972 --> 01:03:39,756
walking away. But you know, but she still felt the need to

1374
01:03:39,780 --> 01:03:40,664
suit up.

1375
01:03:41,534 --> 01:03:44,022
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, very

1376
01:03:44,078 --> 01:03:46,902
Cool. Very cool. All right,

1377
01:03:46,958 --> 01:03:49,234
well, on that note, we,

1378
01:03:49,604 --> 01:03:52,604
>> Will: One last little cool note too. With the episode that

1379
01:03:52,644 --> 01:03:55,370
at the end there, it was, you know, for Walking

1380
01:03:55,402 --> 01:03:57,414
Dead fans, even though. And. And

1381
01:03:57,874 --> 01:04:00,794
Supernatural fans and everybody else. So the

1382
01:04:00,834 --> 01:04:03,498
actor, the voice actor who was doing a voice

1383
01:04:03,546 --> 01:04:06,196
for Conquest, Jeffrey D.

1384
01:04:06,220 --> 01:04:08,944
Morgan. And,

1385
01:04:08,894 --> 01:04:11,752
and, ah, yeah. And then, of course, you know, Steven Yen does,

1386
01:04:11,808 --> 01:04:14,630
you know, Mark's voice. So just got a little reunion there of, Walking

1387
01:04:14,662 --> 01:04:16,942
Dead with, with, Negan and Stephen Yan's

1388
01:04:16,958 --> 01:04:17,714
character.

1389
01:04:18,054 --> 01:04:20,954
>> Sarah : Well, yeah, the creator is. The show

1390
01:04:21,254 --> 01:04:22,862
is. Yeah, right.

1391
01:04:22,918 --> 01:04:25,886
>> Will: Yeah, I know. It's Kirkman. Yeah. Yeah. I just thought it was just pretty cool, this

1392
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:28,494
one. You know, Just want a little, little, Little

1393
01:04:28,534 --> 01:04:31,500
tidbit that I just thought was. Was really, was really cool

1394
01:04:31,622 --> 01:04:33,930
scene there there at the end of, episode seven.

1395
01:04:34,082 --> 01:04:37,066
>> Sarah : Yeah. And I mean, I'm surprised you also didn't say in

1396
01:04:37,090 --> 01:04:40,074
Grey's Anatomy fans, I mean, Jeffy Dean M.

1397
01:04:40,122 --> 01:04:41,834
Morgan, AKA Denny.

1398
01:04:41,994 --> 01:04:42,894
>> Will: Oh, yeah,

1399
01:04:45,554 --> 01:04:47,694
you got. So we got some for everybody.

1400
01:04:49,234 --> 01:04:51,994
>> Sarah : You put Jeffrey Dean Morgan. You have a bunch of

1401
01:04:52,034 --> 01:04:55,018
different audiences. That's what we use them.

1402
01:04:55,106 --> 01:04:57,334
That's why they use them. And then they,

1403
01:04:59,154 --> 01:05:02,000
Oh, on that note, Will, why don't you tell our listeners

1404
01:05:02,032 --> 01:05:03,404
where they can find you?

1405
01:05:03,704 --> 01:05:06,594
>> Will: Yes, you can find me at, Will and Polk, W

1406
01:05:06,634 --> 01:05:09,522
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1407
01:05:09,578 --> 01:05:11,094
get your socials.

1408
01:05:11,594 --> 01:05:14,578
>> Sarah : And you can find me there too at SJ Belmont, sjbl

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01:05:14,626 --> 01:05:17,058
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