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>> Sarah : Greetings Nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont and

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with me as always, is our Mr. Producer, will Will Polk How are you doing

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tonight. Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How you doing this evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm doing good.

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>> Will: That's good.

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>> Sarah : I, I find it amusing that

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since we are now on stream

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yard doing this recording, and

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you edited, put together a full

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countdown. You still insist on

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doing a countdown before the

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countdown?

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Well, just, just, it's

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a cue for myself as much as anything.

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>> Sarah : Right, right, right. Very, very

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nice.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : unfortunately you were sick this past

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weekend, so you missed out on all of

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the mayhem that that kind of

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went about. Because I'm, I'm sure

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some of our listeners, have Netflix

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and I'm sure they caught wind of

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the latest new viral

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show from Netflix called Adolescence.

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And I, I watched it not once but

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twice and I

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think I might have watched the, the first

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episode at least the opening

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sequence at least three

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times. So,

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I, I'm, I'm not going to go into detail.

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I went into cold only having read

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the description of what the show is on Netflix and

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essentially it's about a, a

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13 year old being accused of killing

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another 13 year old. That's all I'm gonna

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say. And I will say it is

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British. So us Americans

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watch it with subtitles because

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there's even points where I'm reading subtitles and I'm

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like, I don't know what that means

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because that is British slang. And I have no

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idea.

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>> Will: We had to do that. there were a few times. I know we were watching

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Supacell. We had to do that too because it's again,

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it was set in South London. So. Yeah, so,

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yeah, so some of the, some of the, slang, definitely. We

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definitely needed the translation there.

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>> Sarah : Well, well, I mean that's not what subtitles

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do. Like, they're not going to translate the word for

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you, but you're, you're not going to be able to

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even hear like. I'm pretty sure they said this. Did

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they say this? Okay, I still don't know that, what that means,

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but. Cool, cool.

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>> Will: Context boost helps in those situations sometimes.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Ah. So I, I just, I, I

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do recommend it, for reasons

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and eventually whenever

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Will gets around to watching it, I'm sure

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we can do, a more

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spoilerish, overview of the

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show. that is very interesting

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and I, I'm just gonna call it right

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now if this show does not at least pick

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up one and me and it can be in several

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different categories. I will be shocked.

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And it will be a crime.

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>> Will: Wow.

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>> Sarah : Okay.

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>> Will: Wow.

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>> Sarah : It'll be a crime if this show does

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not get a single Emmy, because, my

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God. And, and I'm not gonna

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even say categories, but there are a few

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different ones.

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>> Will: That's it.

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>> Sarah : and which leads into the next thing I want

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to bring up, about reward season.

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So. So I, I did it yesterday.

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I. I saw that

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part of my Hulu Max

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Disney plus bundle thing.

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Anora is streaming, for

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free.

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>> Will: Yep, I saw that.

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>> Sarah : I don't know why it won Best

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Picture. I don't know why

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Mikey won best Actress.

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I have no idea. There. It's a

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freaking long movie. First of all, it's two and a

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half hours. There is about a half hour

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to 40 minutes I actually enjoyed. And

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then the rest of it, I was like, well, it

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was the beginning part where she falls in love

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with. Love is a stretch. They. They

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get together and there's this

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whirlwind and it's a fantasy and

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everything. And she thinks like, this is it.

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This is her chance out. I totally understand all that.

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but their chemistry was just

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like, not it at all.

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Like it was not there. And

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so then, And I'm gonna spoiler this because I

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don't think it's worth anybody's time. Like,

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by the end of it, everyone, like, I kept hearing

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like, oh, it's a really funny movie. And then the

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ending is sad. So I

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thought, I thought the, the people were gonna kill

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her because that was the whole thing. Like

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the, like he's technically

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the heir of a Russian

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organized family.

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>> Will: Right.

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>> Sarah : so I thought, I thought they were gonna kill her and they were

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setting it up and just. I mean, we get.

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They get. They get their marriage

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annulled and the Valia goes

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back to Russia with his parents and then she.

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And then we still have another 20 minutes of this

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movie. and by the end of it,

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no, she doesn't. She just breaks down

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crying while trying to have sex

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with this other guy. Anyway, it's

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just. I can see

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the quote unquote artistic choices,

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but as a overall product, I

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was very disappointed and just

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very confused as to now. I

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know the competition was not the best this

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year. Yeah, I understand that.

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But I still. I mean,

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I don't know, I just. It. It

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bothered me that I. I

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mean, how many nominees are there for best

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Picture these days?

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Yeah, you really couldn't have picked a

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different non controversial film.

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I hear this little film called Wicked is good,

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but you might be Saving that for part two.

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I don't know. So it just, Yeah,

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I, I'm glad

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I was able to watch it for free.

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for that because that would have made things 10 times

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worse. But I,

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I don't know. It, like I said,

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there's, there is a good 40 minutes where I'm like,

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why couldn't this be the full movie? Because

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I really enjoy this. When she's trying to,

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when she finds herself with

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these, these three

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different. Part of the family,

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not part of like, these characters,

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and she's trying to find

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Valia in New York, like,

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like that whole section of the,

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of it as soon as, and maybe it's because I

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never liked Valia, the guy that

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she gets together with.

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>> Will: Yeah. So.

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>> Sarah : Because I didn't like him and I could under, I saw

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how much of a child he was.

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I, I, I could not get on board

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with, like, yeah,

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you're, you should wanna,

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like. I don't know. I

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just, Yeah, I, I had to bring

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it up that I, I

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don't, I don't understand. I,

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I, and maybe it's also because I had higher

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expectations given the awards.

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>> Will: Well, that's, that's very fair. I mean, whenever you hear

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a film, what is, is one Best Picture,

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you. And you, you, you expect

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it to be the Best Picture.

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have, like, one in that category in the past, so.

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>> Sarah : Yes and no. Because, I mean, there's

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always people, whether it's actors

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or movies themselves that have won these

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things. And you're like, how did that happen? Especially

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when you look at the, competition. So,

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so it was not necessarily

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just that it won Best Picture. It was

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also because Mikey won Best

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Actress and, and a lot of

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people.

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>> Will: Didn'T win Director as well.

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>> Sarah : Director. It won like five, five of the big

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categories. It was. Yeah,

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but, but I had also, like,

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leading up to the Oscars,

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overheard conversations from movie

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critics or people who review

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movies, and they mentioned enjoying

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it. So

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it was, it was more about the hearsay from other

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people of, like, these are the contenders that

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actually you should watch.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : not just because they're nominated, but.

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>> Will: Yeah, true. Yeah. I mean, I, I could, I could. Yeah, I hear

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you. Because I know I like watching the, fyc. It

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was Scott man, Perry Nimroth and Jeff

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Snyder. and, you know, this year was one of those

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years where honestly I, I don't

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think, other than maybe one or two of the animated films,

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I didn't watch hardly Anything that was nominated.

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And so, yeah, but it was definitely an

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Oro was definitely one of the ones that they. It was

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consistently throughout the year. They were

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like, yeah, this is a, a contender.

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but, you know, but I think some, you know, I think Jeff

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was like the substance, maybe should have had a better run.

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but, yeah, well. But, yeah,

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awards.

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>> Sarah : All right. Yeah, well, that leads us

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to, Women's History Month.

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>> Will: Yeah. Speaking of award season.

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So I had a.

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Things, that I wanted to, you know, since we are in March

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and we were, just talking about award season and

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we did not plan this. This is just a. It just, it just kind of

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happened. I ended up

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profiling some Oscar

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winning, first for, For

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Women. And of course, with the chart

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here that put together, up in the upper,

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upper corner is Rita Moreno, who of

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course was, she was the first Latina to win an acting

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Oscar for her role at west side story in

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1961. And then

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Elizabeth Taylor did not win an Oscar for

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Cleopatra. But it is, I put this on,

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on the list that she was paid $1

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million for her acting role in Cleopatra

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in 1963. And that was the first actress to

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ever get paid that sum of money.

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Moving, to the middle column,

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we have, on my left,

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viewers, right, Julia, Phillips. She

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is the first woman producer to win the best

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picture Oscar for the sting in

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1973. And then,

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next to her, Yep. Katherine Bigelow. Yep.

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Which everyone, she was the first and only one first woman to

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win best Oscar for of course, the hurt locker in

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2010. And then of course, Chloe Zach,

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one best, directing, for

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Nomadland. And also it's the first woman of color to

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win an Oscar as well for that film.

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And then last, it's not an Oscar winner, but

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also, another just notable,

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filmmaker Julie Dash. She, directed

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the first feature film, was the first African

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American woman to direct the feature film

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the actor who he released in the United States. And,

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a film called Daughters of the dust in 1991.

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So those are the profiles for, for this month.

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>> Sarah : Wow. Very, very cool.

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Yeah, I knew, I knew two of them.

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I knew about west side Story and I knew about

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Katherine Vo and, and

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Chloe Zao. I

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also, yeah, I'm aware of.

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>> Will: Yeah. And I think no Bad Wetland also won Best Picture that

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year too, if I recall.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah,

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moving on to things that we know for

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sure, we're gonna Start things off with

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Daredevil Born Again episode

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four. And then will please correct

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me if I mispronounce this title,

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because I believe it's a, it's a

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law term. yeah, that

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you.

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>> Will: Go ahead. Go ahead, sir.

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>> Sarah : Okay, okay, okay. Or do

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you just want to say it and then explain what it means? Because it

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completely goes over my head.

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>> Will: Sure. So the episode title this week is

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Sick Semper Systema, which is

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a Latin phrase. and that roughly

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translates, is the, thus always to

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the system. And the meaning of that

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is that the

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system of a government

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or can be overthrown or

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challenged. Which is some of the themes that were,

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really resonated

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quite through throughout this episode with all the

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various, plot, you know, plots that we saw with

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Matt, with, of course with King, with

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Fisk and, and one, a

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very

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piped appearance that people were very

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excited to see. Frank Castle returning as the Punisher.

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oh, returning as the Punisher.

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and yeah, and of course with the poster here,

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you can see it does have the the

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Punisher, logo on it. And yeah,

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this is part of the promotional materials that Disney plus put out right

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before this episode air just to tease that the

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Punisher was returning. So, yeah,

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so that's, that's what the title of the episode

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is and some of the thoughts. So Sarah, I'll hand it back over to you.

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>> Sarah : Okay, so wait, I, I, you cut

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off briefly at the end. So what does it mean? One more

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time?

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>> Will: Yeah, so basically, the

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roughly means that a

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system of, or government

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can be overthrown or challenged.

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>> Sarah : Okay, yeah, interesting.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : and, and does that relate

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into the what I noted as

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a very flirty but also a

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very lawyer heavy

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term conversation, between

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Matt and his opposing

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counsel, on Leroy's case?

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>> Will: Yeah, I mean, I think that Leroy's case is,

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is part of it because it's a, I guess for me was

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the bigger, bigger themes that were

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going on there because, you know,

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when you think about, you know,

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Matt, you know, does hold the legal

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system up to, you know, such higher high

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regard and you know, he's really trying

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to go about things the right

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way. as far as going straight and not

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being a vigilante anymore and working through the system

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and then how the system, you know, with Leroy's, you

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know, very, very powerful. I

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thought moment there whenever they

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were, he and Matt were discussing about

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his situation and how he's been jerked around by a

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system. you

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know, you have, you have, you know. You know, it

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was. It was illustrative of, like, how the

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system is so messed up that you're like, you know, y'all are

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like, going after a guy who

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basically, just stole a box of candy, you know,

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goes and pop, you know, and. And. And

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then. And then, you know, you have

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the. The system, you know,

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is. Is failing this man

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because, you know, they're spending more

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money to, like, keep him

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locked up. Yeah. And.

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And so, you know, so when you see, you know, when you see

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that. And then we, you know, later in the episode, which really

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drives on the point as far as, you know,

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challenging or overthrowing the system. You

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know, when Frank, like, really nails into.

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Hard into Matt what, you know, about

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Foggy, and especially names dropped.

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The, you know,

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name dropped Bullseye.

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And what happened, it really, like, makes the

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point that, like, why are you. You

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know, the system that we have

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here is. Is just

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so. It's. It's not working.

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And. And. And sometimes we have

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to take matters into our own hands to. In order to

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get actual justice. So, you know,

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so. So when Matt was having that back and forth with the, With the

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prosecutor about the. About, you know, trying to

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knock off days off of Leroy's sentence, he was just

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like, look, I mean, come on, really, you gotta, like, do all

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this effort for a guy even though he has some

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priors, but at the end of the day,

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in the grand scheme of things, you know, Matt's, you

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know, trying to, you know, within the confines

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of plea, bargaining, trying to push back on the system, to be like, look,

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let's. Let's just be. Let's have

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a. Let's be reasonable here. And

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then, of course, there's other, you know, levels that we. That we

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see throughout the, episode as well.

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>> Sarah : Right, right. Yeah, I. I just

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like the line, Could it have been a scroll?

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I mean, to go through secret invasion.

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That was a great payoff.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. That. Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : so. So then, what are some of those other

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levels, that you mentioned?

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>> Will: Yeah, I think like, Kingpin with this

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whole, You know,

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I think. I think

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with how they

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are, you know, he's trying to, you know, he's. He

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is trying to be

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straight now and trying to fix the city.

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But he,

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He, you know, at the end of the, you know, there's still

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this undercurrent of the, you

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know, vigilantes and stuff that,

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are. That are out there taking the law on their own

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own hands as far as, you know, trying to you know,

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resolve some of the crime issues that. That the city

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still has. So, you know. So.

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Yeah. So Kingpin wants to, like, clean up things and do it,

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right?

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>> Sarah : Yeah, but. Yeah, but that's not really his problem right now.

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>> Will: Not right now. But I'm just saying, for. I'm, just. Yeah, I'm just foreshadowing

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issues down the line. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Okay.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So his. His current problem is all of the red tape that

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bureaucracy involves and then the mob

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bosses, because he has a foot in both worlds.

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Same thing with Matt. He's a vigilante.

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You can't necessarily just wake up one day and say, I'm

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no longer a vigilante. And then at the same

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time, he's a lawyer. So, And

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often, is def.

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Defending council. So,

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Yeah. What. Where do we

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want to go from there?

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what did you think about Fisk and

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Vanessa's marriage counseling?

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>> Will: Yeah, that was very, you know,

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very, interesting moment there because it really,

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like, got into the depths

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of the, you know, the forgiveness,

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the infidelity, her, you know, when I was

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watching it last night

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and, you know, when she was describing,

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the, you know, how Adam, Phil and

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as far as the, you know, the art and.

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And all those kind of things, you know, he was basically

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filling a void that, you

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know, when Fisk was. Was out of commission,

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he was filling that. That void that, you know,

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that she was missing. And then now

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that Fisk is trying to go

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straight, and, you know, there's still

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this void because, you know, the man that

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she loved

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is morphing into something else. So

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it's. It's very, like, hard for her

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to, you know. You know, to feel

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that belonging or feel. Feel that connection with them

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anymore. so, you know, so, you know, just seeing

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the dynamics between the two of them,

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as far as seeing how, you know, she. Seeing how she's

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reacting to his new. His

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venture, was, you know, was very

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interesting to me. And also the other thing, too, that.

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That I did, like, about, at the end of

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the. Of the one session, whenever,

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the counselor acts pissed to step out, and then

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they had a, you know, had a discussion

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about. Yeah, yeah,

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I thought that was. I thought that was a good little moment just to, like,

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really, you know, touch on issue of domestic

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violence without, you know, in a. In a very

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contextual way that wasn't, like, preachy, but like.

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But also, like, made the point point. And then, of course, how they followed up

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through it later in the episode about how she did not, you know, not

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Only did she tell her counselor that she didn't fear

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him. But then whenever they were having the discussion

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at the table later in the episode, and,

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you know, Fisk talking about his father and the things

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that he saw, growing up and, and, and

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he. He didn't learn forgiveness

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and those types of things. It was, you know, it. But at the

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same time that he wasn't going to hurt her. you know, I

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thought those were. I thought those were really good things they like, you know,

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put throughout the episode.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, Yeah, I, I think you had it backwards,

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though, and I think we talked about this last week, that

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it's not so much that Fisk is changing,

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it's that he left, he comes back,

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she's been in control, and.

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And took and, Rose to the occasion while he

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was gone and really came. And she even

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says it in this episode, I'm not woman that you

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married. And

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he's. I think

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he's still grasping with that. And

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then the whole forgiveness thing is

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really, I found to be very interesting

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because that was a very,

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like. I almost felt like the whole show paused right

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after they said that line, that

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forgiveness is. Is like the greatest act

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of love because

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we know that, like the boiling.

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What's boiling beneath. Beneath

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Fisk. Yeah, it's this visually empty stuff.

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But Vanessa is always number one.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So it's. It's always like him.

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Suddenly he doesn't even have

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control over the woman he loves and

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is married to and. And

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has allowed someone else to come. Come

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into their marriage and,

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and touch her and, and everything.

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So. So that is very

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unsettling. and it. And it's

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interesting how I

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thought that, they did a good job because

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we also. His, one of the members

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of his staff. Staff up in this

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episode, we kind of knew it was bound

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to happen with that guy. And,

519
00:23:53,458 --> 00:23:55,598
and then Fisk eventually

520
00:23:55,938 --> 00:23:58,826
immediately calls, calls everyone together

521
00:23:58,882 --> 00:24:01,642
and gives them a lecture

522
00:24:01,770 --> 00:24:04,730
and then demands to know the leak. And. And the

523
00:24:04,754 --> 00:24:07,754
guy, fortunately, is brave enough to say, I'm

524
00:24:07,786 --> 00:24:09,898
the leak. And you do see

525
00:24:10,018 --> 00:24:12,938
forgiveness kind of also

526
00:24:13,318 --> 00:24:16,190
with an undercurrent of a. If you do it again, I

527
00:24:16,214 --> 00:24:18,418
will kill you. Yep,

528
00:24:19,158 --> 00:24:21,998
I will get one.

529
00:24:22,118 --> 00:24:25,102
You only get one. And then to your point,

530
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:28,020
you fast forward into, Adam being in a

531
00:24:28,044 --> 00:24:30,858
cage. it was weird to me,

532
00:24:30,898 --> 00:24:33,802
though. And yeah, I'm like, I'm

533
00:24:33,850 --> 00:24:36,554
sure he's been down there for a while,

534
00:24:36,706 --> 00:24:39,678
like a very long time. But

535
00:24:39,718 --> 00:24:42,638
it's still the way he kept crying. I was like,

536
00:24:42,678 --> 00:24:45,502
so are they torturing him? Are they going to show us something.

537
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:48,302
But no, it was just eating dinner while

538
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:51,118
Adam screams, trying to get let

539
00:24:51,158 --> 00:24:54,126
out. So, so maybe psychosis has

540
00:24:54,262 --> 00:24:57,038
ensued in Adam. But I

541
00:24:57,078 --> 00:24:59,658
think to go back to your point about

542
00:24:59,958 --> 00:25:02,718
the void and the fulfillment, I

543
00:25:02,758 --> 00:25:05,278
found it interesting that Vanessa

544
00:25:05,358 --> 00:25:07,984
specifically said it was his hands.

545
00:25:08,166 --> 00:25:10,988
And why I found that to be interesting is

546
00:25:11,028 --> 00:25:13,900
if you go back and listen to our previous

547
00:25:14,004 --> 00:25:17,004
reviews or even re. Watch the previous

548
00:25:17,076 --> 00:25:20,028
episodes, there has been a

549
00:25:20,068 --> 00:25:22,300
lot of camera shots on

550
00:25:22,404 --> 00:25:24,128
Fisk's Fisk

551
00:25:25,108 --> 00:25:27,804
and transition shots and they've been

552
00:25:27,876 --> 00:25:30,220
bloodied and they've been a bit.

553
00:25:30,404 --> 00:25:33,252
And like, so it's

554
00:25:33,300 --> 00:25:36,174
very interesting that they've put that

555
00:25:36,246 --> 00:25:39,246
in that his hands, Adam's

556
00:25:39,262 --> 00:25:41,966
hands were different. And then you

557
00:25:42,022 --> 00:25:44,718
have this, this foreshadowing

558
00:25:44,878 --> 00:25:47,678
of Fisk of

559
00:25:47,628 --> 00:25:50,532
us, of us getting fed these clues that there

560
00:25:50,572 --> 00:25:53,272
is something that Fisk is hiding.

561
00:25:54,352 --> 00:25:57,352
and, and then we found out what that was. I'm sure

562
00:25:57,392 --> 00:25:58,728
there's more, but.

563
00:25:58,880 --> 00:25:59,496
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

564
00:25:59,544 --> 00:26:00,132
>> Sarah : So,

565
00:26:02,792 --> 00:26:05,616
I do really like the current

566
00:26:05,704 --> 00:26:08,320
relationship dynamics between Amanda and

567
00:26:08,376 --> 00:26:10,880
Matt. Yeah, just put that out

568
00:26:10,936 --> 00:26:13,776
there. I, I liked.

569
00:26:13,904 --> 00:26:16,464
She, she's not, I, I, I can

570
00:26:16,488 --> 00:26:19,488
appreciate that. We're

571
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,288
four episodes in and they're having the conversation

572
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,152
like, I'm worried about you when you don't come

573
00:26:25,192 --> 00:26:27,964
home. And, but it's still new. So

574
00:26:27,988 --> 00:26:30,892
there's still like this, I don't know if I can say this,

575
00:26:30,932 --> 00:26:33,804
but I'm going to say this. And then he,

576
00:26:33,908 --> 00:26:36,540
even to the best of his

577
00:26:36,596 --> 00:26:39,500
ability, explains to her what's going

578
00:26:39,556 --> 00:26:42,232
on. And it's, and it's interesting because

579
00:26:43,572 --> 00:26:46,140
he's telling the truth. Like

580
00:26:46,276 --> 00:26:49,228
his, his burdens right now are he,

581
00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:52,028
he was able to get client, proven

582
00:26:52,060 --> 00:26:54,752
innocent, who then immediately ends up dead.

583
00:26:54,912 --> 00:26:57,552
And then another S is serving time at

584
00:26:57,592 --> 00:26:59,968
Rikers for stealing a bag of caramel

585
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:00,736
popcorn.

586
00:27:00,864 --> 00:27:01,360
>> Will: Yeah.

587
00:27:01,456 --> 00:27:04,384
>> Sarah : So it's, it, it

588
00:27:04,408 --> 00:27:06,692
was, it's really interesting

589
00:27:07,432 --> 00:27:09,664
that they've been able to

590
00:27:09,768 --> 00:27:12,480
sustain four episodes

591
00:27:12,576 --> 00:27:15,232
now. And yes, I'm aware that there

592
00:27:15,272 --> 00:27:18,192
were at least two or three fight sequences with

593
00:27:18,232 --> 00:27:20,556
Matt's specifically, but

594
00:27:20,724 --> 00:27:23,708
the absence of the mask, the

595
00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:26,316
absence of, of that

596
00:27:26,404 --> 00:27:29,260
Persona. And so my

597
00:27:29,316 --> 00:27:31,952
big takeaway from this episode

598
00:27:32,292 --> 00:27:35,196
was really, I would describe it and I'm,

599
00:27:35,244 --> 00:27:38,124
I think some people could say it's filler. I'm not going to use

600
00:27:38,148 --> 00:27:38,684
that word.

601
00:27:38,748 --> 00:27:39,628
>> Will: No, no.

602
00:27:39,780 --> 00:27:42,712
>> Sarah : I, I would give the description of,

603
00:27:43,012 --> 00:27:45,830
Think about a, a, a tea

604
00:27:45,846 --> 00:27:48,216
kettle that is, that is

605
00:27:48,304 --> 00:27:51,064
starting to boil. Like the water is

606
00:27:51,088 --> 00:27:53,864
boiling and you're hearing that sound like

607
00:27:53,968 --> 00:27:56,852
on. And it's on both sides. Yeah, on,

608
00:27:56,802 --> 00:27:59,642
Fisk and It's on Matt. Like their

609
00:27:59,778 --> 00:28:02,602
nature. They're being pushed to a

610
00:28:02,658 --> 00:28:05,194
point where they have to go

611
00:28:05,234 --> 00:28:08,026
back. They're going to have to go back on the

612
00:28:08,050 --> 00:28:10,954
promise that they made each other in the first

613
00:28:10,994 --> 00:28:11,774
episode.

614
00:28:12,134 --> 00:28:15,054
>> Will: For sure. Yeah. Anybody who says that this episode

615
00:28:15,214 --> 00:28:18,062
was, was a filler. Yeah, that's

616
00:28:18,078 --> 00:28:21,054
just, that's just there. I don't know

617
00:28:21,094 --> 00:28:23,726
what, what episode they watch because to your point, I

618
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:26,238
mean things. The plot is progressing

619
00:28:26,286 --> 00:28:26,874
forward.

620
00:28:27,424 --> 00:28:30,084
>> Will: And you're right. I mean it is,

621
00:28:30,204 --> 00:28:33,188
you know, it is simmering and you know, and, and their true

622
00:28:33,236 --> 00:28:36,116
natures, Fisk and, and Matt's

623
00:28:36,180 --> 00:28:38,604
natures are, you know,

624
00:28:39,064 --> 00:28:42,000
even though they made the promise to one another, they're trying

625
00:28:42,072 --> 00:28:44,864
to like, do different, you know, do

626
00:28:44,904 --> 00:28:47,808
different things to as far as, you

627
00:28:47,816 --> 00:28:50,592
know, Fisk being mayor and trying

628
00:28:50,648 --> 00:28:53,504
to, you know, build the city and build this port and you know,

629
00:28:53,544 --> 00:28:56,464
do. Do all the Merrell things. Even to the

630
00:28:56,504 --> 00:28:59,504
point of, you know, we

631
00:28:59,544 --> 00:29:00,604
built this city.

632
00:29:01,464 --> 00:29:02,736
>> Sarah : Oh my God.

633
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,884
>> Will: I thought about paradise. Yeah.

634
00:29:05,224 --> 00:29:07,504
>> Sarah : Did you, did you hear

635
00:29:07,884 --> 00:29:10,836
this? This is the best behind the scenes

636
00:29:10,980 --> 00:29:12,542
thing, that I've heard all week.

637
00:29:12,646 --> 00:29:13,090
>> Will: Yeah.

638
00:29:13,090 --> 00:29:15,248
>> Sarah : they had to refilm that.

639
00:29:15,304 --> 00:29:16,080
>> Will: Yes, I heard that.

640
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,760
>> Sarah : Because the kids were too good.

641
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,460
>> Will: Too good. Yes, I heard about that. I did.

642
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,440
>> Sarah : But it was such a good payoff of then going to the

643
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,208
lot Lavatnia thing and,

644
00:29:28,264 --> 00:29:31,216
and having to hear it again in a different language.

645
00:29:31,328 --> 00:29:34,092
And, and the fact that I love that piece of

646
00:29:34,116 --> 00:29:37,100
dialogue thread though, that it's mentioned early on

647
00:29:37,140 --> 00:29:39,388
in the episode by Matt that it's

648
00:29:39,484 --> 00:29:41,084
lovotny history day.

649
00:29:41,172 --> 00:29:41,628
>> Will: Yeah.

650
00:29:41,724 --> 00:29:44,684
>> Sarah : All this stuff, it's just. I was just like, oh

651
00:29:44,732 --> 00:29:47,356
my God, that's, that's so good.

652
00:29:47,508 --> 00:29:50,294
>> Will: Yeah, it was so good. stuck

653
00:29:50,342 --> 00:29:53,222
together with the prosecutor. Yeah, with that. Yeah, that

654
00:29:53,246 --> 00:29:56,102
was great. And I couldn't help but think about paradise whenever I

655
00:29:56,126 --> 00:29:57,810
started here because you know, that was

656
00:30:00,140 --> 00:30:03,068
you know, the president, you know, had that on his

657
00:30:03,204 --> 00:30:03,240
mixtape.

658
00:30:05,660 --> 00:30:08,532
>> Sarah : I, I did not make that connection.

659
00:30:08,676 --> 00:30:11,596
>> Will: Yeah. But well, yeah, but then hearing it like that and

660
00:30:11,620 --> 00:30:14,582
then hearing it twice in this episode. Yeah, it was, it was

661
00:30:14,622 --> 00:30:17,392
pretty funny. But Yeah, but you know,

662
00:30:17,432 --> 00:30:20,224
but seeing that and then like you said, but

663
00:30:20,248 --> 00:30:23,240
then the juxtaposition of fist doing, you know, trying to

664
00:30:23,296 --> 00:30:26,104
do all, you know. But then of course the fist that we

665
00:30:26,128 --> 00:30:29,064
know, you know, has Adam locked up and

666
00:30:29,168 --> 00:30:29,972
you know.

667
00:30:30,272 --> 00:30:32,680
>> Sarah : Well, yeah, yeah, the, the, the, the

668
00:30:32,736 --> 00:30:35,368
kingpin of it all is

669
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,280
like Adams in a cell. Yeah, but,

670
00:30:38,416 --> 00:30:40,952
but it is interest interesting in this

671
00:30:40,992 --> 00:30:43,532
episode that we follow Fisk.

672
00:30:44,272 --> 00:30:47,024
We Conti are Continuing to follow Fisk on

673
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,952
this very m. Mayor. Like, I'm

674
00:30:49,984 --> 00:30:52,858
waiting for him to kill that. That, I

675
00:30:52,882 --> 00:30:53,786
want Sheila.

676
00:30:53,866 --> 00:30:54,554
>> Will: Yeah. Sheila.

677
00:30:54,570 --> 00:30:57,162
>> Sarah : Yeah. Because. Because I always feel

678
00:30:57,234 --> 00:30:59,898
like it gets a point. And then he. He

679
00:31:00,002 --> 00:31:02,906
just like him forgiving the staffer in this

680
00:31:02,946 --> 00:31:05,786
episode with Sheila, he.

681
00:31:05,906 --> 00:31:08,810
He. He looks at her and is like, you know what?

682
00:31:08,898 --> 00:31:11,610
In my previous life, I would have just shot

683
00:31:11,658 --> 00:31:14,154
you. Yeah, but. But I need

684
00:31:14,210 --> 00:31:16,602
you. Like, Like that is

685
00:31:16,674 --> 00:31:19,258
something. He needs her

686
00:31:19,362 --> 00:31:22,314
because she. She knows the game

687
00:31:22,370 --> 00:31:25,370
there that he is now playing, and he has not a

688
00:31:25,378 --> 00:31:27,754
clue. And he makes that abundantly clear.

689
00:31:27,810 --> 00:31:29,178
>> Will: He makes it very clear.

690
00:31:29,282 --> 00:31:32,234
>> Sarah : But he also has a good point. It's like,

691
00:31:32,370 --> 00:31:35,370
you can't keep giving me all these problems.

692
00:31:35,418 --> 00:31:37,818
Like, let. Tell me what the first step

693
00:31:37,922 --> 00:31:39,888
is and we'll do that.

694
00:31:40,042 --> 00:31:40,216
>> Will: Yeah.

695
00:31:40,216 --> 00:31:43,208
>> Sarah : which. I don't know why you. Why. Why he would have

696
00:31:43,232 --> 00:31:46,136
to say that. I mean, it was. I was like, just tell him what he

697
00:31:46,176 --> 00:31:47,416
has to do. But.

698
00:31:47,536 --> 00:31:48,216
>> Will: Yeah.

699
00:31:48,376 --> 00:31:49,752
>> Sarah : What were you gonna say?

700
00:31:49,904 --> 00:31:52,904
>> Will: No, no, I think that's exactly what I was. I was gonna go with

701
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,356
about Sheila. It's just like, you know, whatever.

702
00:31:56,256 --> 00:31:59,048
Whenever he cleared the room and, you know, I

703
00:31:59,072 --> 00:32:01,848
was really expecting that moment of him, like, you know,

704
00:32:01,952 --> 00:32:04,750
was losing it and. And taking them both out, but.

705
00:32:04,888 --> 00:32:07,166
But again, he. He pulls it back. But also,

706
00:32:07,686 --> 00:32:10,656
you know, I think it, You know, I think it,

707
00:32:10,696 --> 00:32:13,328
you know, looking at Fisk and, you know, in the

708
00:32:13,352 --> 00:32:16,112
gray suit that he's wearing all the time, he's always wearing

709
00:32:16,144 --> 00:32:19,136
gray. And it's really like, you know, there's a lot of visual cues

710
00:32:19,216 --> 00:32:21,648
that they're doing in the show, like, like, you know, the

711
00:32:21,672 --> 00:32:24,596
wardrobe and. And, and also, like

712
00:32:24,636 --> 00:32:27,396
the food. Like, whenever. Whenever he's making a

713
00:32:27,436 --> 00:32:30,356
point about something in the. In the Kingpin esque

714
00:32:30,436 --> 00:32:33,166
way, you know, whenever, you know,

715
00:32:33,466 --> 00:32:36,130
whenever he's trying to be m. The m. Mayor

716
00:32:36,178 --> 00:32:38,978
Fisk, he's having, like, light, like,

717
00:32:39,082 --> 00:32:41,794
lighter fare. But then whenever, like in the first

718
00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:44,898
couple episodes, you know, there's a second. I think it was episode two with the

719
00:32:44,922 --> 00:32:47,458
police officer, with the. With the sandwich. And

720
00:32:47,482 --> 00:32:50,466
then. And then this when sitting there

721
00:32:50,586 --> 00:32:53,394
eating with. When that was in the room

722
00:32:53,450 --> 00:32:56,280
there with Adam, a very heavy,

723
00:32:56,458 --> 00:32:59,004
you know, mill. And it was just very visceral and it's

724
00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:01,836
just, you know, heavy. And it was.

725
00:33:01,876 --> 00:33:04,780
You know, it. It just really like adds. You

726
00:33:04,788 --> 00:33:07,676
know, there's like those visual clues and

727
00:33:07,716 --> 00:33:10,716
things and set pieces that they were doing in the show that just really

728
00:33:10,756 --> 00:33:13,748
set the mood. or. Or like you say, with

729
00:33:13,772 --> 00:33:16,416
the writing too, like, with the being Latvia and

730
00:33:16,486 --> 00:33:19,278
you know, Independence Day or whatever. And you

731
00:33:19,302 --> 00:33:22,238
know, the prosecutor happens to, you know, that's their

732
00:33:22,262 --> 00:33:24,997
ethnicity and then you know, he goes to the, you know, to the

733
00:33:25,021 --> 00:33:27,877
celebration. So I mean there's just so many things I like that

734
00:33:27,901 --> 00:33:30,741
I'm really enjoying about this show that it's

735
00:33:30,773 --> 00:33:33,605
just very well written and well, well well edited.

736
00:33:33,685 --> 00:33:36,597
Because other thing, you know, as far as the

737
00:33:36,621 --> 00:33:39,035
scenes that they had with that

738
00:33:39,735 --> 00:33:42,511
with Frank and, and and Matt were actually

739
00:33:42,583 --> 00:33:45,279
supposed to be later in the series,

740
00:33:45,447 --> 00:33:48,255
but they actually decided to pull it forward to, to

741
00:33:48,295 --> 00:33:50,895
this episode to, to really, to your

742
00:33:50,935 --> 00:33:53,922
point, show the, the, the

743
00:33:53,994 --> 00:33:56,928
simmering kettle. you

744
00:33:56,952 --> 00:33:59,788
know, that, that is, that is, that is building up. especially

745
00:33:59,876 --> 00:34:02,572
the way that Frank, you know, really needle

746
00:34:02,668 --> 00:34:05,440
Matt, whenever Matt went to, you know,

747
00:34:05,592 --> 00:34:08,484
sold him out after finding the, the shell casing.

748
00:34:08,984 --> 00:34:10,814
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah.

749
00:34:12,834 --> 00:34:15,754
I, I will admit it kind of was abrupt to me

750
00:34:15,794 --> 00:34:18,004
that we got Frank in this episode. Episode.

751
00:34:19,144 --> 00:34:21,952
So it actually makes sense that originally they had

752
00:34:22,008 --> 00:34:24,976
planned it for a later episode. Okay. That's why

753
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,904
it kind of stuck out where I'm like really we're going here.

754
00:34:27,944 --> 00:34:29,964
And also like, like

755
00:34:31,064 --> 00:34:33,936
there, there just was something about. I can't, I

756
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,904
can't put my finger on what it was. But

757
00:34:36,854 --> 00:34:39,518
I mean I enjoyed the scene. It's

758
00:34:39,550 --> 00:34:42,242
classic Matt and Frank dialogue.

759
00:34:43,522 --> 00:34:46,410
but I, I also, it

760
00:34:46,466 --> 00:34:49,402
just, it felt, I don't know, there's something

761
00:34:49,442 --> 00:34:52,410
about it that made me think it was a little out of

762
00:34:52,466 --> 00:34:53,012
place.

763
00:34:53,922 --> 00:34:56,342
>> Will: yeah, apparently. Yeah. And apparently too,

764
00:34:56,622 --> 00:34:59,446
they, they did do some ADRs

765
00:34:59,494 --> 00:35:02,198
and, and and and did do some reshoots

766
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:05,212
to whenever they did pull it

767
00:35:05,252 --> 00:35:07,914
forward in, in the show. so

768
00:35:08,098 --> 00:35:10,682
that, that, that was, that was also part of

769
00:35:10,722 --> 00:35:12,822
the, you know, bringing it forward

770
00:35:14,082 --> 00:35:16,182
at this juncture in the series.

771
00:35:16,802 --> 00:35:19,674
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. And then we, we're just continuing

772
00:35:19,738 --> 00:35:22,482
to get teased Muse

773
00:35:22,562 --> 00:35:25,552
as that also continues to just

774
00:35:26,012 --> 00:35:28,912
start to bubble over whatever

775
00:35:28,992 --> 00:35:31,990
means M. As planned. so we will have

776
00:35:32,046 --> 00:35:34,694
two episodes of Daredevil to talk about

777
00:35:34,798 --> 00:35:37,522
next week. and

778
00:35:37,822 --> 00:35:40,230
now we're gonna move on to wrap up

779
00:35:40,286 --> 00:35:42,982
Invincible Season 3 with I

780
00:35:43,022 --> 00:35:45,894
thought you never shut up. And

781
00:35:45,918 --> 00:35:48,790
the IMDb synopsis is. With the world

782
00:35:48,846 --> 00:35:51,702
still reeling, a dangerous stranger arrives,

783
00:35:51,782 --> 00:35:54,710
testing Mark to his limits. And beyond that

784
00:35:54,766 --> 00:35:57,720
stranger being Jeffrey Dean Morgan as

785
00:35:57,776 --> 00:36:00,734
conquest. I have his opening

786
00:36:00,798 --> 00:36:03,678
line of I enjoy this. There's no greater

787
00:36:03,710 --> 00:36:06,430
pleasure than the feel of hm, my fist drenched in your

788
00:36:06,486 --> 00:36:07,122
blood.

789
00:36:10,422 --> 00:36:13,284
And And essentially we got Chicago part two.

790
00:36:13,388 --> 00:36:14,632
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

791
00:36:17,142 --> 00:36:19,934
>> Sarah : I, I will admit. And, and I

792
00:36:19,958 --> 00:36:22,742
don't think this should be a surprise to anyone. I

793
00:36:22,782 --> 00:36:25,042
was not engaged in, like,

794
00:36:25,342 --> 00:36:28,278
for majority of this episode just because the. The.

795
00:36:28,350 --> 00:36:31,190
The action, it never really does that much for

796
00:36:31,246 --> 00:36:33,562
me. I like the verbal,

797
00:36:33,692 --> 00:36:36,580
exchanges, and there was parts of

798
00:36:36,636 --> 00:36:39,290
that, And then we also know I've.

799
00:36:39,386 --> 00:36:42,218
I'm not. I think I'm

800
00:36:42,250 --> 00:36:44,970
starting to get there, and I think I will be there

801
00:36:45,026 --> 00:36:47,780
for season four. But the Eve and Mark

802
00:36:47,836 --> 00:36:50,612
stuff, it just was a very weird

803
00:36:50,692 --> 00:36:53,364
way for. It felt way too

804
00:36:53,388 --> 00:36:56,192
rushed this season, so even.

805
00:36:57,132 --> 00:36:59,908
And then we have the whole fake out of Eve's

806
00:36:59,940 --> 00:37:02,916
dead. Oh, no, she's not. And I'm like, okay,

807
00:37:02,964 --> 00:37:05,892
guys, what are we doing with stakes here? What's going

808
00:37:05,932 --> 00:37:06,564
on?

809
00:37:06,748 --> 00:37:09,604
>> Will: So that, you know, that's a. With the Eve

810
00:37:09,668 --> 00:37:12,398
thing. That's a call back to the, the

811
00:37:12,422 --> 00:37:13,386
Adam Eve,

812
00:37:15,776 --> 00:37:16,566
solo.

813
00:37:16,516 --> 00:37:17,980
>> Sarah : Yeah, so the special.

814
00:37:18,148 --> 00:37:20,924
>> Will: The special, yeah. Yeah. So with that, With. With.

815
00:37:20,980 --> 00:37:23,884
With her powers and I guess the mental block that they had put on

816
00:37:23,940 --> 00:37:26,396
to her, that she could only do it whenever she was just

817
00:37:26,436 --> 00:37:29,324
like, you know, you know, super,

818
00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:32,112
super, you know,

819
00:37:32,184 --> 00:37:33,296
distressed or whatever.

820
00:37:33,376 --> 00:37:33,616
>> Sarah : So.

821
00:37:33,656 --> 00:37:36,416
>> Will: Yeah, so, I mean, I hear you. I mean, I know you're. I know

822
00:37:36,456 --> 00:37:38,698
it's been a thing.

823
00:37:38,802 --> 00:37:41,706
Growing thing for you as far as just,

824
00:37:41,746 --> 00:37:44,426
you know, their relationship and. And it's still

825
00:37:44,466 --> 00:37:47,428
feeling. It's a bit rushed, as far

826
00:37:47,452 --> 00:37:50,324
as, you know, coming on, getting on board with it. But I mean,

827
00:37:50,380 --> 00:37:53,044
you know, I do. I guess they. I guess, you know, thinking about

828
00:37:53,100 --> 00:37:55,860
like, the whole, like, lightning rod concept, for

829
00:37:55,868 --> 00:37:58,788
example, you know, with the Flash or,

830
00:37:58,892 --> 00:38:01,876
you know, Clark and Lois. So, I mean, I guess this is, you know, since

831
00:38:01,916 --> 00:38:03,296
they do pull these

832
00:38:04,636 --> 00:38:06,996
things from the Marvel and dc, you know,

833
00:38:07,036 --> 00:38:09,908
archetypes, you know, in. In this show, and they make

834
00:38:09,932 --> 00:38:12,788
it their own, you know, so I guess, you know, even. And

835
00:38:12,812 --> 00:38:15,620
Marker is that same kind of lightning rod concept

836
00:38:15,668 --> 00:38:18,388
with one another to be that

837
00:38:18,412 --> 00:38:21,380
homie. Beacon. Beacon for. For the two of them, you know, for the.

838
00:38:21,468 --> 00:38:23,828
>> Sarah : Yeah, they should have just written it better for the

839
00:38:23,852 --> 00:38:26,772
screen, in my opinion. And that's completely

840
00:38:26,804 --> 00:38:27,876
my opinion. So.

841
00:38:27,916 --> 00:38:30,744
>> Will: Okay, yeah, yeah, I hear you. Yeah, yeah, it's

842
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,608
fair. It's fair. Yeah. But I hear you about

843
00:38:33,632 --> 00:38:36,424
the. The. The. The. The fights

844
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,304
and. And all. I mean, it did get to a point

845
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,328
where. Loses

846
00:38:42,392 --> 00:38:45,016
its impact in some regard in some

847
00:38:45,056 --> 00:38:47,880
way, you know, just because. And I

848
00:38:47,888 --> 00:38:49,160
know Conquest.

849
00:38:49,288 --> 00:38:52,248
>> Sarah : Sorry. Sorry to cut you off, but conquest just kept.

850
00:38:52,312 --> 00:38:55,240
Also, it's interesting because it wasn't

851
00:38:55,288 --> 00:38:57,792
a Chicago felt more

852
00:38:57,864 --> 00:39:00,368
like good 20 minutes of just action.

853
00:39:00,472 --> 00:39:00,880
Right.

854
00:39:00,968 --> 00:39:01,408
>> Will: Yeah.

855
00:39:01,472 --> 00:39:04,096
>> Sarah : Between father and son. So they had that

856
00:39:04,136 --> 00:39:06,720
going Conquest. It felt like,

857
00:39:06,888 --> 00:39:09,712
okay, he's gonna start to beat up Mark.

858
00:39:09,784 --> 00:39:12,608
And then, oh no, Oliver's here. And then we

859
00:39:12,632 --> 00:39:15,424
get a monologue from Conquest.

860
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,288
And then we start fighting again.

861
00:39:18,392 --> 00:39:21,248
And then we get. Eve's here. Then we get a

862
00:39:21,272 --> 00:39:24,130
monologue from Conquest. And there were so, so many

863
00:39:24,218 --> 00:39:26,766
monologues. I was just like,

864
00:39:27,866 --> 00:39:30,674
you're, you're gonna, he's. Mark's

865
00:39:30,690 --> 00:39:33,506
gonna win eventually because you're

866
00:39:33,586 --> 00:39:36,466
too busy talking all of the

867
00:39:36,506 --> 00:39:38,606
goddamn time. Like,

868
00:39:39,306 --> 00:39:42,082
oh my God. And then, and then you have that

869
00:39:42,154 --> 00:39:45,058
moment where at the end he's

870
00:39:45,122 --> 00:39:47,826
like, to tell you the truth, I'm really lonely

871
00:39:47,906 --> 00:39:50,046
and all this stuff. And it's just,

872
00:39:51,536 --> 00:39:54,424
I don't, I don't really care. This is first time I'm meeting

873
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,016
Conquest. Why do I care if he's lonely or

874
00:39:57,056 --> 00:39:59,908
anything? I did. And, and at that

875
00:39:59,932 --> 00:40:02,852
point I was like, you go Mark. Yeah. Smash his

876
00:40:02,924 --> 00:40:05,924
head in. Because. Yeah. I thought you

877
00:40:05,980 --> 00:40:07,216
never shut up.

878
00:40:08,716 --> 00:40:11,268
>> Will: Yeah. So the title, the title worked. I

879
00:40:11,292 --> 00:40:13,940
mean, it does work.

880
00:40:14,028 --> 00:40:16,846
Yeah. Because I felt that. I felt that same way

881
00:40:16,886 --> 00:40:19,662
too when he finally, like, you know, I did. Like, I did.

882
00:40:19,734 --> 00:40:22,576
That will do. we'll say. I did appreciate

883
00:40:22,656 --> 00:40:25,648
that, that, that last little soliloquy

884
00:40:25,712 --> 00:40:28,448
that Conquest had as far as, you know, all.

885
00:40:28,472 --> 00:40:31,328
With all the, you know, good at what I do and all the

886
00:40:31,352 --> 00:40:34,322
viltrumites, you know, I'm lonely. I'm a, victim

887
00:40:34,354 --> 00:40:37,154
of my own success. I did like that moment. Ah. I will

888
00:40:37,210 --> 00:40:39,866
say, because it just, it was like

889
00:40:39,906 --> 00:40:42,764
that. It was, it was, it

890
00:40:42,820 --> 00:40:45,820
was trying to like, instead of him just being an evil

891
00:40:45,868 --> 00:40:48,136
mustache twirling villain. He was,

892
00:40:48,756 --> 00:40:51,708
he was. But, but it was still trying. It was

893
00:40:51,732 --> 00:40:54,716
also trying to like, maybe elicit

894
00:40:54,796 --> 00:40:57,256
some sympathy for him

895
00:40:58,836 --> 00:41:01,548
or. I don't know if sympathy is the right word or it was just trying to

896
00:41:01,572 --> 00:41:02,136
like,

897
00:41:03,306 --> 00:41:06,194
>> Sarah : I think, I think the villain is not

898
00:41:06,250 --> 00:41:08,818
necessarily what one person. I think the

899
00:41:08,842 --> 00:41:10,966
villain overall the greatest,

900
00:41:12,326 --> 00:41:14,958
the biggest enemy of Mark is his

901
00:41:15,062 --> 00:41:16,414
vulture mite side.

902
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:17,006
>> Will: Yeah.

903
00:41:17,086 --> 00:41:19,614
>> Sarah : And so we're meeting because we've met a few

904
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:22,606
voltamites now and each time

905
00:41:22,646 --> 00:41:24,786
markets his ass kicked to an extent.

906
00:41:25,126 --> 00:41:27,838
And, and this one was

907
00:41:27,942 --> 00:41:30,346
talking about the loneliness because

908
00:41:30,646 --> 00:41:33,182
he's now come across how Mark

909
00:41:33,254 --> 00:41:35,552
has Oliver and

910
00:41:35,624 --> 00:41:38,080
Eve and like to. To

911
00:41:38,168 --> 00:41:40,986
envy that. And Nolan even says at,

912
00:41:40,938 --> 00:41:43,906
the. At the start, like I. He has that classic

913
00:41:43,954 --> 00:41:46,770
line at the beginning of the season to Alan,

914
00:41:46,866 --> 00:41:48,626
like, I think I miss my wife.

915
00:41:48,754 --> 00:41:49,250
>> Will: Yeah.

916
00:41:49,346 --> 00:41:51,890
>> Sarah : Like that's the appealing thing

917
00:41:52,026 --> 00:41:54,722
about this race and arguably other races

918
00:41:54,802 --> 00:41:56,902
too, AKA Oliver.

919
00:41:58,442 --> 00:42:01,026
But. But there's that that sense of

920
00:42:01,034 --> 00:42:03,410
belonging and that partnership and that

921
00:42:03,466 --> 00:42:06,408
friendship that even conquest isn't

922
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,384
getting. But then again, the society that he was

923
00:42:09,408 --> 00:42:11,852
brought up in as a vulture mite,

924
00:42:12,192 --> 00:42:14,552
like you didn't need that because he had

925
00:42:14,592 --> 00:42:15,336
purpose.

926
00:42:15,464 --> 00:42:15,816
>> Will: Yeah.

927
00:42:15,864 --> 00:42:18,776
>> Sarah : And so it was. I think it was

928
00:42:18,864 --> 00:42:21,670
more like what they're doing with any

929
00:42:21,726 --> 00:42:24,534
vulture mite that we've encountered other than

930
00:42:24,558 --> 00:42:27,270
Nolan and Mark, is that is

931
00:42:27,326 --> 00:42:29,942
really showing why

932
00:42:30,062 --> 00:42:32,790
Nolan acted the way he did in

933
00:42:32,846 --> 00:42:33,792
season one.

934
00:42:33,942 --> 00:42:34,508
>> Will: Yeah.

935
00:42:34,620 --> 00:42:37,612
>> Sarah : And made the choices he made and how

936
00:42:37,652 --> 00:42:40,572
it is because of this, this society. And

937
00:42:40,692 --> 00:42:43,662
I think the, an undercurrent of that also that

938
00:42:43,702 --> 00:42:46,622
loneliness goes back to, I don't know,

939
00:42:46,662 --> 00:42:49,102
three episodes ago, the last time we saw Alan and

940
00:42:49,142 --> 00:42:51,918
Nolan. Whereas Nolan reveals

941
00:42:52,030 --> 00:42:54,766
there's only 50 full blooded

942
00:42:54,814 --> 00:42:57,002
vulture mites. Well, now there's 49.

943
00:42:57,462 --> 00:43:00,344
Well, kind of. Because Cecilia, of

944
00:43:00,368 --> 00:43:02,772
course we knew Cecil wasn't gonna burn the body.

945
00:43:04,192 --> 00:43:07,192
No, there's no way in hell. I also don't know

946
00:43:07,232 --> 00:43:09,652
if his plan's gonna work, but we'll see.

947
00:43:10,762 --> 00:43:13,394
like. Like, I, I think as a season

948
00:43:13,498 --> 00:43:16,082
finale this did a good job.

949
00:43:16,202 --> 00:43:17,058
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

950
00:43:17,170 --> 00:43:20,034
>> Sarah : Because I don't. I, I think. I think

951
00:43:20,138 --> 00:43:22,690
pulling Nolan and Alan back into

952
00:43:22,746 --> 00:43:24,738
it this late in the game

953
00:43:25,938 --> 00:43:28,794
would be too much. And so I, I like the idea

954
00:43:28,858 --> 00:43:31,338
that they. We really wanted

955
00:43:31,450 --> 00:43:34,234
to. It's interesting

956
00:43:34,298 --> 00:43:37,172
though how, Mark has

957
00:43:37,212 --> 00:43:39,940
now killed. Well, kind of. But

958
00:43:39,996 --> 00:43:42,804
he, he, like, he keeps killing people. And

959
00:43:42,828 --> 00:43:45,572
he makes a very big declaration in this

960
00:43:45,612 --> 00:43:48,164
episode that if anybody

961
00:43:48,228 --> 00:43:51,012
threatens my family or hurts the people I

962
00:43:51,052 --> 00:43:52,456
love, I will kill you.

963
00:43:52,604 --> 00:43:55,392
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. After. Yeah.

964
00:43:55,472 --> 00:43:58,224
I mean, after the whole conversation that he and Oliver have

965
00:43:58,248 --> 00:44:01,024
had, you know, beginning of the

966
00:44:01,048 --> 00:44:04,048
season, why, you know, Oliver questioned why don't we kill? And

967
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,768
now Mark has grow, you know, after

968
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:07,936
all of this.

969
00:44:08,024 --> 00:44:08,624
>> Sarah : Yeah.

970
00:44:08,768 --> 00:44:11,312
>> Will: He finally is like, okay, it. I'm,

971
00:44:12,742 --> 00:44:15,470
They're dead, you know. Yeah. So

972
00:44:15,606 --> 00:44:16,362
I guess.

973
00:44:17,062 --> 00:44:19,914
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Of Angstrom is

974
00:44:19,938 --> 00:44:21,306
still technically alive.

975
00:44:21,434 --> 00:44:24,302
>> Will: Yeah. And we see him technically.

976
00:44:24,642 --> 00:44:27,258
>> Sarah : Yeah, alive. So Mark hasn't really

977
00:44:27,330 --> 00:44:30,298
killed anyone. Like there's been casualties

978
00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:33,370
in this. Obviously. I'm

979
00:44:33,386 --> 00:44:36,154
sure we'll hear about the civilians that died

980
00:44:36,298 --> 00:44:39,050
during Conquest Mark fight and then

981
00:44:39,106 --> 00:44:41,946
everyone who died in Chicago.

982
00:44:41,994 --> 00:44:44,870
Like he's partly responsible for that as well,

983
00:44:45,026 --> 00:44:47,512
unfortunately. but. But

984
00:44:47,552 --> 00:44:50,536
yeah. So I think that that's how they kind of

985
00:44:50,544 --> 00:44:53,372
get away with like this still being a hero.

986
00:44:54,162 --> 00:44:56,722
or Mark still not fully

987
00:44:57,302 --> 00:45:00,222
going to the dark side in the viewer's mind. Is

988
00:45:00,262 --> 00:45:02,846
that his quote unquote deaths

989
00:45:02,894 --> 00:45:05,242
or kills are actually

990
00:45:05,862 --> 00:45:07,202
like null.

991
00:45:09,622 --> 00:45:12,528
>> Will: Yeah, there's always like. Yeah, there's always, either

992
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,408
A technician to pull Angstrom away, which I'm. The whole

993
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,862
Angstrom thing. Speaking of, like,

994
00:45:18,642 --> 00:45:21,082
I'm kind of over. I think right now.

995
00:45:21,122 --> 00:45:23,930
I'm. They need to, like, put him on the back.

996
00:45:24,066 --> 00:45:24,426
>> Sarah : Yeah.

997
00:45:24,474 --> 00:45:27,466
>> Will: Shelf for. For a minute. Yeah, yeah,

998
00:45:27,514 --> 00:45:30,344
I, Yeah, yeah,

999
00:45:30,408 --> 00:45:32,572
yeah, exactly. Exactly.

1000
00:45:34,912 --> 00:45:37,464
>> Sarah : I mean, it's. It's a thread. Like, you can't

1001
00:45:37,528 --> 00:45:40,328
keep pulling that. Like,

1002
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,192
like, what's the point at this? Like, eventually

1003
00:45:43,272 --> 00:45:45,848
that thread has to get tied. Right.

1004
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:46,440
Like.

1005
00:45:46,576 --> 00:45:49,320
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. What thread? Yeah, one.

1006
00:45:49,376 --> 00:45:52,120
One thread that I thought

1007
00:45:52,176 --> 00:45:54,292
they. With. They did

1008
00:45:55,552 --> 00:45:57,872
close, with. With Rex and.

1009
00:45:58,252 --> 00:46:01,012
And the funeral. And. And, you know, I

1010
00:46:01,052 --> 00:46:03,072
did. I did, like,

1011
00:46:04,102 --> 00:46:07,054
how they had to pro. The eulogy

1012
00:46:07,118 --> 00:46:10,004
and. And. And, robot,

1013
00:46:10,010 --> 00:46:12,790
talking about Rex and how, you know, he's taking on the name now.

1014
00:46:12,830 --> 00:46:15,702
And, you know, it was like, a nice way to honor Rex. And then, of course,

1015
00:46:15,726 --> 00:46:18,290
when Eve did try to talk about him and,

1016
00:46:18,830 --> 00:46:21,750
you, know, she couldn't. She was overcome. but then whenever she

1017
00:46:21,774 --> 00:46:24,408
and Mark, you know, had their conversation about

1018
00:46:24,448 --> 00:46:27,160
Rex and how, you know, it just

1019
00:46:27,184 --> 00:46:29,960
really drove home the point. How it shows his character has

1020
00:46:29,984 --> 00:46:32,838
grown and changed and, And the impact that he had

1021
00:46:32,878 --> 00:46:35,128
on. On. On. On the, Guardians.

1022
00:46:35,628 --> 00:46:38,472
>> Sarah : Yeah. the.

1023
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,368
The other, like, little nugget that they

1024
00:46:41,408 --> 00:46:44,072
put in there besides, What was his name?

1025
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,068
Wild beast or beast master?

1026
00:46:47,568 --> 00:46:50,248
The Allen. Allen who

1027
00:46:50,288 --> 00:46:51,128
helped Alan.

1028
00:46:51,208 --> 00:46:52,872
>> Will: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1029
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,798
>> Sarah : We see. We see him. Who gets. He.

1030
00:46:55,918 --> 00:46:58,422
He gets picked up very Guardians of the

1031
00:46:58,430 --> 00:47:01,138
Galaxy style. and then

1032
00:47:01,258 --> 00:47:04,050
there's this whole demon and the

1033
00:47:04,074 --> 00:47:05,186
Dark Lord.

1034
00:47:05,362 --> 00:47:06,098
>> Will: Yeah.

1035
00:47:06,258 --> 00:47:08,994
>> Sarah : Thing. Now, has that been teased?

1036
00:47:09,186 --> 00:47:11,938
Yeah, it has, it has. I feel. I was like.

1037
00:47:11,978 --> 00:47:14,786
>> Will: I. I think it was like either season

1038
00:47:14,842 --> 00:47:17,528
one or two. I want to say it's been a while that,

1039
00:47:17,478 --> 00:47:19,040
whenever. Last time we saw the.

1040
00:47:19,166 --> 00:47:19,740
>> Sarah : Okay.

1041
00:47:19,836 --> 00:47:22,112
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah,

1042
00:47:22,852 --> 00:47:24,028
it's been there before.

1043
00:47:24,180 --> 00:47:27,068
>> Sarah : Are they on a different planet or are they on Earth?

1044
00:47:27,180 --> 00:47:28,732
>> Will: Yeah, I believe they're on Earth.

1045
00:47:28,892 --> 00:47:31,804
>> Sarah : Okay, okay. Okay. So. So

1046
00:47:31,828 --> 00:47:34,604
there's also that and. And the plan

1047
00:47:34,708 --> 00:47:37,512
to tie the Dark Lord to Mark.

1048
00:47:38,052 --> 00:47:39,982
which. Which. Yeah.

1049
00:47:41,442 --> 00:47:44,378
interesting. But. But those. Those were the teas.

1050
00:47:44,410 --> 00:47:46,938
We really didn't get any in Nolan or Alan. Tease

1051
00:47:46,970 --> 00:47:49,816
teas. we've had enough of them for this season. We know

1052
00:47:49,824 --> 00:47:52,644
what's going on there. But, Yeah,

1053
00:47:52,708 --> 00:47:55,604
I think that is it for. For

1054
00:47:55,708 --> 00:47:58,660
Invincible season three. We. We got around

1055
00:47:58,716 --> 00:48:00,228
to it a lot quicker.

1056
00:48:00,420 --> 00:48:03,252
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Well, it helps that they didn't have some

1057
00:48:03,292 --> 00:48:05,792
crazy focus breaks this time.

1058
00:48:06,252 --> 00:48:07,108
>> Sarah : Oh, great.

1059
00:48:07,180 --> 00:48:08,996
>> Will: The season was much better too.

1060
00:48:09,164 --> 00:48:12,052
>> Sarah : Yeah. And. And what? We only watched season two

1061
00:48:12,092 --> 00:48:15,024
In January. Yeah, yeah. You

1062
00:48:15,048 --> 00:48:17,712
know, you know, a part of it is, is we

1063
00:48:17,752 --> 00:48:19,652
shorten that break for ourselves.

1064
00:48:20,842 --> 00:48:23,638
and then last but not least, we

1065
00:48:23,710 --> 00:48:26,436
are starting to, watch your friendly

1066
00:48:26,484 --> 00:48:29,124
neighborhood Spider Man. We are covering

1067
00:48:29,188 --> 00:48:31,672
episodes one and two tonight.

1068
00:48:35,262 --> 00:48:38,176
yeah, this, the, the first

1069
00:48:38,264 --> 00:48:40,982
episode called Amazing Fantasy, and

1070
00:48:41,022 --> 00:48:43,574
described as during high school orientation,

1071
00:48:43,638 --> 00:48:46,614
Peter's life is changed forever and a new era

1072
00:48:46,678 --> 00:48:48,442
of Spider man begins.

1073
00:48:49,902 --> 00:48:52,742
So for some reason I didn't

1074
00:48:52,822 --> 00:48:55,590
expect the first episode to really be about

1075
00:48:55,646 --> 00:48:58,502
him getting the powers. And

1076
00:48:58,542 --> 00:49:01,462
then I was also pleasantly surprised that

1077
00:49:01,502 --> 00:49:04,322
they did. Like we see, we see

1078
00:49:04,362 --> 00:49:07,010
Dr. Strange and then the spider comes

1079
00:49:07,066 --> 00:49:09,954
through and, and that's how in

1080
00:49:09,978 --> 00:49:12,450
this, in this universe we, we

1081
00:49:12,506 --> 00:49:15,068
meet, Peter, or we,

1082
00:49:15,220 --> 00:49:18,188
we see Peter become Spider Man.

1083
00:49:18,182 --> 00:49:21,026
to an extent. There is a, there is a,

1084
00:49:21,114 --> 00:49:22,622
a few months later.

1085
00:49:26,122 --> 00:49:28,502
But, but what did you think about this,

1086
00:49:28,736 --> 00:49:30,764
introduction and this start.

1087
00:49:30,948 --> 00:49:33,834
>> Will: Yeah, you know, it's, it's definitely, I

1088
00:49:33,858 --> 00:49:36,378
liked that they tweaked

1089
00:49:36,410 --> 00:49:38,782
the radioactive spider,

1090
00:49:40,622 --> 00:49:42,982
origin with this, with this

1091
00:49:43,022 --> 00:49:45,900
episode. and also it was just, you know,

1092
00:49:45,956 --> 00:49:48,780
I, I did not know what to expect going

1093
00:49:48,836 --> 00:49:51,692
into this show. You know, I know, you know, it's going to be high school

1094
00:49:51,732 --> 00:49:54,204
years and stuff. I had really no expectations

1095
00:49:54,268 --> 00:49:57,114
and but I was, you know,

1096
00:49:57,138 --> 00:50:00,074
I, I, it was, it, I enjoyed it. You know,

1097
00:50:00,098 --> 00:50:02,794
I think they did a, they were doing, they were doing some

1098
00:50:02,818 --> 00:50:05,552
swaps as far as, some of the characters.

1099
00:50:06,742 --> 00:50:09,504
ah, you know, we, as far as gender swap or

1100
00:50:09,528 --> 00:50:12,384
race swaps with, with some like, with in

1101
00:50:12,408 --> 00:50:15,402
the episode, which I didn't have a problem with.

1102
00:50:15,442 --> 00:50:18,250
I just, I just, it was just, you know, it's making it very clear

1103
00:50:18,306 --> 00:50:21,034
that this is in a universe outside

1104
00:50:21,138 --> 00:50:23,866
of, you know, you know, since we are in a

1105
00:50:23,874 --> 00:50:26,682
multiverse saga right now, this is just making

1106
00:50:26,722 --> 00:50:29,674
it establishing at the outset that this,

1107
00:50:29,778 --> 00:50:32,746
this, this version of Spider man and

1108
00:50:32,754 --> 00:50:35,754
Peter Parker are in, in, in, in a

1109
00:50:35,778 --> 00:50:38,650
different universe. And you know, and,

1110
00:50:38,706 --> 00:50:41,652
and you know, so I was like, this is pretty cool. and you know, but there also

1111
00:50:41,692 --> 00:50:44,566
brought some elements, that we've seen from some of

1112
00:50:44,574 --> 00:50:47,558
the more recent iterations, live action iterations of the character

1113
00:50:47,590 --> 00:50:49,442
like a younger Aunt May.

1114
00:50:50,622 --> 00:50:53,586
and and then we just, you know, we get introduced

1115
00:50:53,634 --> 00:50:56,434
to, introduced to some new characters. I mean, at least for

1116
00:50:56,458 --> 00:50:59,306
me. Newer characters, like, his friend that, he

1117
00:50:59,330 --> 00:51:02,054
met. Nico. Yeah, they met at the school.

1118
00:51:02,374 --> 00:51:04,728
yeah. So. Yeah. So, you know, so we're

1119
00:51:04,776 --> 00:51:07,560
expanding his friendships beyond just the usual

1120
00:51:07,592 --> 00:51:10,504
folks that we're, we're familiar with. So I,

1121
00:51:10,544 --> 00:51:13,288
you know, I Felt these. These first two episodes

1122
00:51:13,336 --> 00:51:16,104
were. Were pretty engaging for me.

1123
00:51:16,144 --> 00:51:19,104
And, I'm like, okay, let's. Let's see where this goes.

1124
00:51:19,764 --> 00:51:22,544
>> Sarah : Yeah, I. I guess. the

1125
00:51:22,584 --> 00:51:25,312
second episode is called the Peter Luck, and it's.

1126
00:51:25,408 --> 00:51:28,400
Peter begins an extra, an inclusive,

1127
00:51:28,512 --> 00:51:31,374
exclusive internship, but his first day is

1128
00:51:31,374 --> 00:51:33,584
m. Is way more complicated than he expected.

1129
00:51:33,704 --> 00:51:36,132
Yeah. but to go back to the first

1130
00:51:36,188 --> 00:51:38,836
episode, I just love

1131
00:51:38,940 --> 00:51:41,796
how, like, to your point, this is a clearly a

1132
00:51:41,820 --> 00:51:44,024
different universe, a different version.

1133
00:51:44,444 --> 00:51:46,884
However, like, it still is

1134
00:51:46,924 --> 00:51:49,572
crazy how. How

1135
00:51:49,628 --> 00:51:52,260
Spidey and Peter

1136
00:51:52,292 --> 00:51:54,932
Parker specifically, it is

1137
00:51:54,988 --> 00:51:57,652
different, but it's so familiar.

1138
00:51:57,828 --> 00:52:00,564
Like. Like it's. It's walking a line of

1139
00:52:00,604 --> 00:52:01,642
nostalgia.

1140
00:52:01,788 --> 00:52:02,398
>> Will: Yeah.

1141
00:52:02,526 --> 00:52:05,422
>> Sarah : You know, and where you see the differences

1142
00:52:05,518 --> 00:52:08,414
and then you see the nods to, like, this

1143
00:52:08,454 --> 00:52:10,830
is also a story being

1144
00:52:10,902 --> 00:52:11,514
told.

1145
00:52:12,054 --> 00:52:13,310
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

1146
00:52:13,342 --> 00:52:14,606
>> Sarah : Post end game.

1147
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:15,790
>> Will: Yeah, for sure.

1148
00:52:15,862 --> 00:52:18,846
>> Sarah : The Iron man reference. Like, you see little things

1149
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:21,198
and then the fact that the

1150
00:52:21,286 --> 00:52:24,274
introduction to Norman

1151
00:52:24,614 --> 00:52:26,714
is done in a very

1152
00:52:27,424 --> 00:52:29,784
deliberate way to. To

1153
00:52:29,824 --> 00:52:32,776
mirror when we meet Spidey in

1154
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,204
the MCU back in Civil War.

1155
00:52:35,504 --> 00:52:37,784
Like, and then you just

1156
00:52:37,824 --> 00:52:39,364
exchange one.

1157
00:52:40,864 --> 00:52:43,858
One kind of, one good guy for a bad guy,

1158
00:52:43,906 --> 00:52:46,786
you know, And. And I

1159
00:52:46,810 --> 00:52:49,394
also did not know this, but the. The

1160
00:52:49,434 --> 00:52:52,360
actor who voices Norman is.

1161
00:52:52,402 --> 00:52:53,714
Is, Coleman.

1162
00:52:54,934 --> 00:52:57,150
>> Will: Yeah, I did know that. Yeah, I did know that. Yeah.

1163
00:52:57,262 --> 00:52:59,902
>> Sarah : Yeah. Which I was like, oh, that's great. That's cool.

1164
00:52:59,998 --> 00:53:02,926
And I do have to say. And I looked this up

1165
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:04,974
because I was like, who is voicing

1166
00:53:05,054 --> 00:53:07,660
Peter? it's a really nice voice.

1167
00:53:07,692 --> 00:53:10,412
And I. And then I saw it's the same

1168
00:53:10,468 --> 00:53:13,196
actor who voiced him in what. What if.

1169
00:53:13,380 --> 00:53:14,156
>> Will: Ah.

1170
00:53:14,340 --> 00:53:17,212
>> Sarah : It wasn't Tom Holland in that episode. It.

1171
00:53:17,268 --> 00:53:19,692
It was, this. And I'm sorry I didn't write the name down,

1172
00:53:19,748 --> 00:53:22,734
but, shouts out to him because I think he

1173
00:53:22,774 --> 00:53:25,758
is doing a really good job. He's

1174
00:53:25,806 --> 00:53:28,222
not overly annoying and

1175
00:53:28,278 --> 00:53:29,234
whiny.

1176
00:53:31,014 --> 00:53:33,742
so. So I think that. I think these

1177
00:53:33,798 --> 00:53:36,622
two episodes really. I'm

1178
00:53:36,638 --> 00:53:39,566
glad we watched them back to back because I think it

1179
00:53:39,590 --> 00:53:41,934
was just like, just setting them the

1180
00:53:41,974 --> 00:53:44,912
scene, setting meeting the characters

1181
00:53:45,088 --> 00:53:48,016
and a lot of bait and switches. Like, I

1182
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,480
mean, you get the Norman bait and switch

1183
00:53:50,672 --> 00:53:53,280
in the first episode, and then in the second

1184
00:53:53,352 --> 00:53:55,888
episode, we h. We are

1185
00:53:56,056 --> 00:53:58,352
introduced to the other

1186
00:53:58,408 --> 00:54:01,216
character, the foot. The quarterback.

1187
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,168
Who. What's quarterback's name?

1188
00:54:03,256 --> 00:54:04,464
>> Will: Yeah, Lonnie.

1189
00:54:04,624 --> 00:54:07,568
>> Sarah : Lonnie. Lonnie. It's kind of introduced

1190
00:54:07,616 --> 00:54:10,592
him in the first episode. But I.

1191
00:54:10,728 --> 00:54:13,632
I thought it was interesting when we

1192
00:54:13,688 --> 00:54:16,592
part ways after school with Peter

1193
00:54:16,608 --> 00:54:19,152
and Lonnie, and the camera doesn't follow

1194
00:54:19,208 --> 00:54:21,856
Peter home camera follows Lonnie. Home.

1195
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:22,800
>> Will: Yep.

1196
00:54:22,992 --> 00:54:25,776
>> Sarah : And. And I don't know where this is headed,

1197
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,556
but I. I, was like, okay,

1198
00:54:28,652 --> 00:54:31,308
we're. They're. They're gonna do something with Lonnie.

1199
00:54:31,388 --> 00:54:34,156
Like, I. For some reason, I'm getting prowler

1200
00:54:34,252 --> 00:54:36,988
vibes, but I don't know if. If that's going to be

1201
00:54:37,028 --> 00:54:37,980
correct, so.

1202
00:54:38,084 --> 00:54:40,700
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, I was. I was thinking that, too.

1203
00:54:40,884 --> 00:54:43,678
That. Or something tragic was going to happen to him.

1204
00:54:44,628 --> 00:54:45,148
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1205
00:54:45,228 --> 00:54:48,220
>> Will: Yeah, just given. Given his, you know, he goes, you

1206
00:54:48,244 --> 00:54:51,180
know, he's. He wasn't, you know, the Flash

1207
00:54:51,244 --> 00:54:54,124
Thompson dumb jock. He was more, you know, he's,

1208
00:54:54,156 --> 00:54:56,924
you know, this dude. You know, he and Peter, like, started,

1209
00:54:56,996 --> 00:54:59,916
you know, because, you know, originally Peter had a big crush

1210
00:55:00,012 --> 00:55:01,536
on his babysitter.

1211
00:55:01,692 --> 00:55:02,168
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1212
00:55:02,248 --> 00:55:05,232
>> Will: And then, you know, then they end up having, You know,

1213
00:55:05,932 --> 00:55:08,868
he. Lonnie wants Peter to be his lab partner because he's. He's

1214
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:11,460
as big as nerd as Peter is, and they just start

1215
00:55:11,516 --> 00:55:13,156
geeking out and, you know, oversight.

1216
00:55:13,204 --> 00:55:15,752
>> Sarah : I don't think that's true. Yeah,

1217
00:55:16,092 --> 00:55:19,044
I think. I think Lonnie. Lonnie wants to

1218
00:55:19,068 --> 00:55:21,956
learn. Like, Lonnie, he's not a

1219
00:55:21,964 --> 00:55:22,468
dumb jock.

1220
00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:23,028
>> Will: I mean, he can't.

1221
00:55:23,060 --> 00:55:25,716
>> Sarah : Yeah, no, no, he's not a dumb jock by any.

1222
00:55:25,884 --> 00:55:28,512
Any means. That's what I'm saying. I. I just don't think

1223
00:55:28,552 --> 00:55:30,528
anyone's as big as a nerd as Peter.

1224
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,600
>> Will: No. Well, no, true. Fair point. Fair point,

1225
00:55:33,656 --> 00:55:34,832
Fair point. Yeah. Yeah.

1226
00:55:34,912 --> 00:55:37,680
>> Sarah : I mean, he. He has some competition with these

1227
00:55:37,736 --> 00:55:40,414
other Osborne, interns,

1228
00:55:40,478 --> 00:55:43,438
especially Asha from Wakanda, which I was

1229
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:45,402
like, this is great.

1230
00:55:46,102 --> 00:55:48,882
I. I like that name drop.

1231
00:55:50,352 --> 00:55:53,240
he gets assigned to work with Dr. Connors, who.

1232
00:55:53,296 --> 00:55:56,212
Yeah, and it's a gender swap that they did, which

1233
00:55:56,252 --> 00:55:59,108
was very, very interesting. And there's

1234
00:55:59,140 --> 00:56:01,862
even the mention that, Dr. Connors is

1235
00:56:01,902 --> 00:56:04,758
leading the energy division, which is in somewhat

1236
00:56:04,790 --> 00:56:07,254
of a competition with Stark Industries.

1237
00:56:07,398 --> 00:56:09,638
Yeah, yeah, I,

1238
00:56:09,790 --> 00:56:12,358
like, I. I was

1239
00:56:12,430 --> 00:56:15,096
pleased, more than anything

1240
00:56:15,144 --> 00:56:17,992
else. I mean, this is so far, very paint by

1241
00:56:18,032 --> 00:56:20,910
number. But at the same time, this.

1242
00:56:21,046 --> 00:56:23,736
I, It didn't. It didn't necessarily

1243
00:56:23,784 --> 00:56:26,760
exceed expectations. It met. Met them

1244
00:56:26,816 --> 00:56:29,672
more or less. And. And

1245
00:56:29,792 --> 00:56:32,712
I was just. I was. I was like, okay,

1246
00:56:32,792 --> 00:56:35,704
okay. We're. They're. They're. They're. They're

1247
00:56:35,768 --> 00:56:38,392
telling a story. We know, but they are

1248
00:56:38,512 --> 00:56:40,812
telling it in some different ways.

1249
00:56:41,312 --> 00:56:44,152
>> Will: Yeah. And also. Also, like with the second

1250
00:56:44,192 --> 00:56:46,984
episode, too, they, you know, they also, show the

1251
00:56:47,008 --> 00:56:49,576
challenges of Peter trying to juggle being a

1252
00:56:49,584 --> 00:56:52,504
teenager and, you know, doing the lab work

1253
00:56:52,528 --> 00:56:55,336
and also trying to be a superhero because you know, they were

1254
00:56:55,344 --> 00:56:58,248
invited to the party and, you know, Nico,

1255
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,144
he was supposed to join her at, you know, after the

1256
00:57:01,168 --> 00:57:03,944
football game, but then, you know, then he ends up

1257
00:57:03,968 --> 00:57:06,376
having to, you know, the. The

1258
00:57:06,464 --> 00:57:09,272
arsonist, like, you know, does this thing. And so he's having

1259
00:57:09,312 --> 00:57:12,226
to, like, you know, you

1260
00:57:12,234 --> 00:57:14,834
know, he goes in a superhero mode and, you know, we have, you know,

1261
00:57:14,858 --> 00:57:17,666
rescuing animals in the pet shop and everything

1262
00:57:17,754 --> 00:57:19,322
else. you know, when he's dealing with,

1263
00:57:22,022 --> 00:57:24,632
Not Pyro, but, What was the name of the,

1264
00:57:25,032 --> 00:57:26,050
the arsonist?

1265
00:57:26,226 --> 00:57:28,034
>> Sarah : I. I just call him the Arsonist.

1266
00:57:28,098 --> 00:57:31,096
>> Will: Yeah, I can't remember his name, but, But yeah, so, you know, he's always, you

1267
00:57:31,104 --> 00:57:33,592
know, so I like, you know, so they were really showing the whole

1268
00:57:33,672 --> 00:57:36,588
360 of, like, what Peter Parker's life

1269
00:57:36,740 --> 00:57:38,108
is like right now.

1270
00:57:38,260 --> 00:57:40,844
>> Sarah : Which. Which you can expect from a Spider man.

1271
00:57:40,948 --> 00:57:43,772
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, but I'm. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1272
00:57:43,852 --> 00:57:44,512
yeah.

1273
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>> Sarah : and then. And I think we're just gonna cover

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two episodes next week as well.

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and. And our goal is to finish up,

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the. Your friendly neighborhood Spider man

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before. For last of us. And,

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we should be, good to go

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there. So. So it. If, if

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you've seen it, then, then always come

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back in as we share our thoughts about it.

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And if you haven't, maybe you will also,

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want to. Want to get a bit of nostalgia about

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this beloved character, and his,

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and this version of his origin.

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All right, well, on that note, Will, why don't you tell our

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listeners where they can find you?

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>> Will: Yes, you can find me at, Will and Polk on all the

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socials at W I L L M P.

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>> Sarah : O L K. And you can find me there too at SJ

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00:58:59,568 --> 00:59:02,456
but most importantly, rate, follow and comment on Apple

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night. Geek out. You're welcome.