Daredevil: Born Again Episodes 5 & 6 Review + Avengers: Doomsday Cast Breakdown!

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>> Sarah : This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host Sarah Belmont, and with me as

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always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk. How are you doing tonight,

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Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, sir. How you doing this Thursday evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm doing fine. It's the last

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recording of March.

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>> Will: I know, I know. This month is like zip

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by. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Towards the end there. Gotta get a bit sluggish. But

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yeah, we're. We're pulling through. Yeah.

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Technically, Technically it won't be over until

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next week.

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>> Will: Yeah. But it is our last recording for March.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, it is, it is. and that

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also means it's the last Women's History Month

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Spotlight.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So for. For this week's Women's

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History Month Month Spotlight, I was

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going to share,

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a person who was the first

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female special effects

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and makeup artist. And

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interesting enough, it's a film that probably a

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lot of people are familiar with. It's the person,

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who actually created the Gill Monster from the

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Creature from the Black Lagoon and the

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arc. Yeah. Makeup artist is.

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Her name is

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Millicent

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Patrick and she was credited

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for. First she started out as a animator

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at Disney and then she moved over to

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Universal Studios. but also as I know that

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she did was the artist who created the

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famous creature, from the Black Lagoon. You can put a little photo

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up for folks who are watching us on YouTube. You can

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see the The. The. The mold

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that for. For that. And interesting enough, she

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was not initially credited with With

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the design for that. It was actually a gentleman by the name of

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Bud Westmore. And the name Westmore is probably very

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familiar for folks who are. Who are used to makeup

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and. And effects the famous Westmore

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family, who has been in Hollywood for. For many,

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many years. Many people from Star Trek will probably recognize the name

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Micha. he was Bud

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Westmore's nephew and

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her Her credit for the Gill

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Monster from Gillman, from Creature from the Black

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Lagoon, was not

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added until. Until very recently. and.

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But she was definitely given credit for that.

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But she's also, you know, she's also. She was also an

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actress, done some other very famous

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movies as well. Like It Came From Outer Space, a lot of those

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b. Mov stuff from the 50s and 60s, where

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she was special effects and makeup artist on those.

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On those films. But But yeah, just wanted

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to spotlight this. She was also one of the first

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female animators at Disney, studios as well.

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So she has quite a bit of history, with you

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know, in the special effects and visual effects

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and makeup realm. But wanted to

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profile her as our, our last profile

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for Women's History Month.

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>> Sarah : Very nice, Very nice.

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the other thing you wanted to mention that you also I

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believe tweeted about today was that

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Netflix will be coming out with a Scooby Doo

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live action series.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So Netflix, will be created.

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A Scooby Doo live action Netflix series is actually from

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Greg Berlanti who for many folks are. Who are

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familiar with the Arrowverse. He was the

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producer for that

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you know the, the DC run on, on the

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cw. But yeah, this this is going to be an

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origin story for the Mystery Incorporated.

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The, the gang, that everybody knows and loves.

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But the story is that Shaggy

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and Daphne meet in a summer camp, as.

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As teenagers. And and of course throughout the

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course of this eight episode Netflix

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series, they of course meet up with

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the rest of the rest of the gang. So you know,

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obviously S***, you know, Fred Velma and of course

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Scooby. So this is, this series has been

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green lit. I think. It was announced sometime back. But Netflix

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just confirmed it again this week that it will be going into

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production. No one's been cast yet, but

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it's, you know, there has been of course there were two live action

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Scooby Doo films I think with Freddie Prinz and

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some other folks back in the day. And I think James Gunn may

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have written one of them if I recall. Or maybe I'm thinking about another

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movie. But but yeah, but that the, the

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Netflix Scooby Doo series, live action Scooby Doo series

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is coming on Netflix in the near future.

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>> Sarah : so the next piece of news to

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go over to Disney is that

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and. Or released a poster and a trailer. I

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think seen the poster. I think I

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didn't like look at it too hard.

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but no, I have not seen the trailer.

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>> Will: Okay, well, I know you

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haven't seen the trailer but you know we you

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know it's. We do have a new trailer that did

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drop this week. here's just some scenes with this

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just so for Sarah can see it but not hear it. So it won't

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spoil anything for her. But yeah, the new trailer

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did drop, for the series. Getting some great images of

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like, like all the principal characters, within The

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Rebellion. of course the cool sound effects in the background

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was like the, the claxon alarms from the Star Destroyers.

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You know we see Luthan, the shots from all

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throughout the, the, the Rebellion and the

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the great special effects. And of course

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Ben Mendelson also returns as a

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Krennic, which And also

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you know we see kcso. So of course, you know again just

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showing the Death Star of course is

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going to be a, you know, very prominent in this because as we

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all know, if you've seen Spoiler alert. If you haven't seen Rogue

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One, we, you know that, that does lead up to the,

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to the story, that We you know we do, you

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know we do get andor is leading.

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>> Sarah : Up to Rogue One. That's what you're trying to say.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, we get, yeah we get it right up to the moment right before

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the movie Rogue One and all the events that happened there.

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>> Sarah : So yeah, just like how Rogue One leads up

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to the events of the first Star wars

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movie. So.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. But in addition to, in addition to

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the trailer there was a lot of fun, you know, just to go to

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some of the real world events with you know, signal. There were a lot of

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cool memes that were like going around this

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week as far as you know, joke with

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the people getting added to you know,

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high level sensitive or classified briefings in the group

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chats. So a lot of folks are having

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fun with the, with the memes this week from, from Star wars

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and stuff. So I just wanted to just throw one up there too just for the h*** of

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it because it was pretty. They've been some pretty, pretty

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epic ones. Not, not trying to get political or anything but just

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funny things that you see on the Internet.

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>> Sarah : And then the other big thing that came

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out of Disney was MAR or Marvel

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Studios and or is

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they rolled out the call sheet for

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Avengers Doomsday. were there any

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surprises, Will?

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>> Will: so yeah, so I think it was

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several. I don't know if there was any, I would say surprises.

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I mean it, you know it was

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27. It was like a five hour

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long, drop. Yeah,

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yeah.

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>> Sarah : Every 12 minutes they released another

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job.

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>> Will: Yeah. So it's like 275 million

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views of this stream. This could have been an email

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but, or press release. But obviously you

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know the, the film has started going into

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production. So I guess I think Disney was probably

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smart to you know, just to go ahead and just roll

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everybody out and of course, the, you know,

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because to avoid any, like, spoilers from

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set photos, there was as a noted.

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As far as any surprises. No, I

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mean, they did pull back, several

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folks from the Fox X Men,

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franchise film. So as far as, you know,

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Patrick Stewart is returning again as Professor

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x. Ian, McKellar has to go back as Bonito.

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We, do see Gambit, who was, of course, was in Deadpool and

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Wolverine, Mystique is also going to be

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in it. James Morrison is going to return as, Cyclops.

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So. Well, so we do finally get the introduction of the X

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Men into. Again. Well, we got them with Deadpool and

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Wolverine, but, you know, we're getting deeper. More X Men showing up

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in the mcu. and,

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So, yeah, so I guess something's got. I can't

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see them going forward with these characters. Also, Beast, you know,

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we saw him at the end of, the Marvels, and of course he's all. Kelsey

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Grammer is also back as Beast. but

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we, finally do get Sean Lou back as far as,

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>> Sarah : So. So if there weren't any

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surprises, we're. Do you

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really think that this is

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it?

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>> Will: No, because.

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>> Sarah : Right.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, because Robert Downey. Yeah. So Robert Downey Jr.

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Actually did like, after, of course, he was at the end of this

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five hour. Yeah. Fasting call, and then he

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did like, drop on Instagram. It's like that's what. That's what you call

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a deep bench of talent. Actually, it's more like a row, but an extra

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long one. That must be it, right? And then Marvel

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Studios, like, you know, responds back to him. There's always

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room for more because a lot of things are like.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, because there's a. There's a lot of

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characters, who, are not,

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don't have a chair and worlds.

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And also the. The X Men stuff

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for me, I mean,

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we can only play in that universe

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in that sandbox so many times.

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And I think what a lot of us, or

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personally I want is I want to see the new

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X Men. Like, I want. I want the new

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guys. So. So

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I, I foresee them just being on

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in their world and then that world getting wiped

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out.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I completely

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see that. I know some. Yeah. And I know folks were also,

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say, made the point that. Well, you know, looks

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like. Speaking of, you know, with the, with the thunderbolts and

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that's coming out, pretty much everyone from that

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film looks like they're going to survive. So I know some

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People are like, well, you know, that maybe lower

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the stakes for, for the film, but oh.

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>> Sarah : My God, like, if you

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think going into that movie

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that someone is going to die, like,

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really? I don't. I don't understand. That's not

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the point of that movie. And that that movie

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is not gonna set up stakes for,

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For Doomsday. Okay, if you can,

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here. Here's the thing. So, so let

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me think about this with your logic. Fantastic.

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Four is also lowering the stakes

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of Doomsday too. Right? Right.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Oh, so that's, that's just. I

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understand it. And personally, as

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someone who always calls out when they lower stakes,

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I. I can appreciate it to an extent, but

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it's just like ever since they

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released the plan and you knew it was going to be

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like Fantastic Four was going to be released before

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doomsday, and. Oh, yeah, not only Doomsday, they're putting

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the word Avengers. You can pretty

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much guarantee every character

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introduced up until then is going

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to be seen in that next movie. Like,

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they're bringing back Robert Downing

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Jr. Talk about lowering

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stakes in this universe.

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Whatever. I digress.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, it's. I heard that. I

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was just like, yeah, okay. But, you know, I think another thing too

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is like, you know, people are like, what about Tom Holland? And you

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know, I think that was more

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the discussions, like, who wasn't,

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like, listed, right in the, in the,

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rollout yesterday.

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>> Sarah : Like, you have, you have the, you,

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you have the OGs. So you

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have your. Chris Evans wasn't there, which

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we didn't expect. But also,

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like. And the whole thing. Like, the last time we saw

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him, he was technically in a, MCU

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movie, but he was not playing Captain

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America. So. So you have that

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Tom Holland. To your point, you have,

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you also have, talk about a character.

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minutes. You, have Ms.

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Marvel. You have the

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. No Brie Larson. Yeah. No Benedict

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Cumberbatch. I mean, as far as. You know, and.

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like, obviously, you know, Chris Hemsworth is

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back.

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>> Sarah : but at the same. Yeah, at the same

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time I always

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saw, like. Because

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secret. Secret wars is coming after

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Doomsday.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So to me, Doomsday

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is like just the pre. Game.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Because with the Russo brothers

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being on board with Secret

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wars, like, I think that's really

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where we're gonna get

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like, like Doomsdays the appetizer,

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and then the Secret wars will be the main, main

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Steak, like main. Main meal.

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I can't talk tonight. I have no idea what's going on with

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me, but I

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just. Everyone just needs to calm down.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : And. And all we got were a bunch of

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chairs and rdj. Okay.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yep. Bunch of chairs.

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Rdj. Else. Yeah. I mean, you know,

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Harp, you know, shout out to the hardcore true

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believers who sat through the full five hours. I mean, I did see

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a little bit of it whenever. When I saw. When it first

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started dropping yesterday, but I was like, there's no

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way, I'm gonna keep up with all this. I gotta

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work, right?

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>> Sarah : And I think. I think that I did

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not watch any of it, but I

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do not. I. I really think

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that this was a smart move by Feige, and

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here's why. It's. Because it

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started. It was. It brought back

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a little bit of the magic. Pre Covid.

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there was anticipation, and there was this

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magic that Feige.

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Feige led in how he announced

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these projects so

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to. To take some losses in the

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last few years and to brush

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off and, and push all your money back

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onto our DJ

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back on RG Day.

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Like. Like to. To open it

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up like this and to. To get

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that anticipation. And you already mentioned the number

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of views. Like,

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I think it served its purpose

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and I can appreciate the.

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At least the little

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bit of excitement that is

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starting despite some of the

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negativity that's also a result of a cast

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being announced.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I completely agree with you think it. It, it

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definitely. It did have that old school

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ComicCon, you know,

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event watch where, you know,

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you see the things drop and you get the announcements. I

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completely agree with you. It did. It. It did feel like old

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school MCU days back, you know, phase one, two

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and three, you know, vibe, for. For sure. And I think that's, you know,

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obviously that's what they need because, you know,

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Captain America, Brave New World was, you know, was

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a mixed bag as far as, you know, critically

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and with, I mean, I think, you know, as we're. As

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we're. As you noted, we're going to be talking about, Daredevil and

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some, you know, cameos of, Ms. Marvel.

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>> Sarah : Like, why, why. Why hide it?

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>> Will: We.

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>> Sarah : Everybody knows.

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>> Will: No, no, I know. Yeah, I know, I know. But, Yeah, but,

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yeah, but, you know, my point being that, you

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know, this. This was like a good

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way to get the excitement back. Also, given that the film

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has started production, as I noted before, it

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also avoids any. Any spoilers as far

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as, you know, set photos and that kind of stuff. So they were able to

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take control of the narrative.

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>> Sarah : Well, not really, considering what

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I said a few minutes ago and what you also said, that

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RDJ even confirmed, like, this isn't the full list.

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No, no, but my point is, we got Toby Maguire.

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M. Hiding out somewhere in a

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caravan.

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>> Will: Yeah. I mean, no, but I think even. Even when they do the next round

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of announcements, they're gonna do it like they did. Like they did

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yesterday.

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>> Sarah : Oh. Oh, I see. I don't. I don't see them going

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back. Back to this. That would

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be, I. I don't. I dare say

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a misstep, but that would be weird to me.

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Yeah. You do this once.

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>> Will: Well, maybe not the chairs, but I do. You know, but there. There

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may be some type of, like, you know,

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planned rollout of. Of the

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next round of people who are going to.

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>> Sarah : I think. I don't. I

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don't think you need to. You.

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You. You can't. You can't give it all away.

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Like, you really. So I, I

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just. I hope they're keeping some secrets, because

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I don't. I don't want to know. I don't want to know some

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things going into Doomsday. But what I want

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to say before we move on is just

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that, like, I think at the end

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of the day, we have to remember because, yeah, we

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got. We got Captain America earlier this year. We

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got Thunderbolts next month

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or in May, and then we got Fantastic

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Four. Like, this is an Avengers movie,

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though. So I think that's also why

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they. They. They're making a big deal. Just

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the fact that it's in production. It's like the

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Avengers are coming

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back, and that's a big deal.

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So it's not just that this is Doomsday

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movie. It's the Avengers

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Doomsday. So. So I think

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that's also why it's getting this

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extra, extra

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rollout and why Tom Holland

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wasn't announced, because we all know he spoils

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everything that happens in Avengers movies. So he has

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not even seen the script.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, there's that.

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>> Sarah : Plus, he doesn' know he's gonna be in it either.

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They're just gonna surprise him one day.

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>> Will: Well, that's just it, too. I mean. Yeah, I mean, that's the other piece, too, is

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like some people, like Chris Pratt and other folk, you know, people are

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working on other projects. And, you know, as far as Tom Holland, you

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know, I think the way. I think The

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Spider Man 4 may be in between These

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films anyway, so, you know, they may be holding a lot, some

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of these characters back for. For secret.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You're not going to get

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everyone in Doomsday.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : but you're also. We're not also not going to spend two and

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a half hours with Patrick Stewart. I love you, Patrick Stewart, but

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we're just not going to do that.

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>> Will: Exactly.

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>> Sarah : So, well, in the near future,

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we will definitely continue to do more of a deep

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dive into Doomsday and what it all means.

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but before that, we have two,

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not one, but two episodes of Daredevil. Born

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Again. Starting things off with episode

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five with interest, A day in the life of Matt

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Murdock gets intense, forcing him to team up with a

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familiar face, AKA Kamala's

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dad. Kamala's dad is in the

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bank.

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Will, what did you think about this episode?

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>> Will: You know what? I actually really like this episode.

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I really did. it

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was, You know, it was true. It was a true

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bottle episode in a sense that, you know, it,

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it, was. We take a little break

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from, you know, we, you know, Matt's. It's a Day in the life of

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Matt. And, And I,

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I, I really liked that.

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it was also,

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I will say the. The scenes with

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Kamala's dad, at first, they did

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over. That was probably for me, I enjoyed

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them, but they were not my most

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favorite part of the episode. At least the beginning scenes now the scenes when they

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were later in the vault and stuff. And, and, and

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with that, I like those better. but, but

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overall, I, I really, really enjoyed this episode. And

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it was also, I think one of the. I think the only episode that didn't

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get, like, retooled in the creative overhaul that they did,

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with with the series to see.

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>> Sarah : That makes sense because I was. I

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was thinking about it leading up, to getting on this recording

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with you, and I was like, I would

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argue, not just this episode,

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but both of these episodes,

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out of all that we've so far seen this season, are the

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most Disney plus defied.

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and, and now, now, do not

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take that as a complete criticism.

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Okay, everyone hold your horses.

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I, I did enjoy this episode and I

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enjoyed the next episode as well.

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I'm just saying that I believe because of the

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cameos, because of the name drops,

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and because of the

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lack of our more violent characters, specifically

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in episode five, it.

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It felt very much m. More

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like between the, the

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comedy and some of the

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action and also just the, the whole

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structure of episode five, it's very

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Much. They,

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it makes sense to me when you said

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like this is the least re

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reworking they had to do out of all

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episodes, that they had shot.

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So I, I, I, I don't

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think it's awful in any way. I, like I

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said I was engaged full time. It was a nice

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breather.

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I, I, I didn't mind

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anything. granted the whole time I was

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just like, okay,

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so, so how does this work with episode six?

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I was like in the back of my mind I'm just thinking about

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this because that's, that leading up to now everyone

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was, we were kind of talking like why

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episode 5 and 6 are being released at the same

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time. Like that gives the impression, oh, part

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one, part two. But that that was not the case.

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And that led

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me into another thing that

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I, or another takeaway I had

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about why

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these two episodes, having them back to

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back worked, albeit

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did to an extent feel a bit out of place

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simultaneously. Like, it's weird.

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I, I wouldn't say it was like they were trying

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to, it didn't go too far off

506
00:23:27,020 --> 00:23:29,876
course, but at the same time there

507
00:23:29,916 --> 00:23:32,836
were some beats where I'm just like, okay,

508
00:23:32,996 --> 00:23:35,956
this feels like just out of

509
00:23:35,996 --> 00:23:38,898
place. and I think

510
00:23:39,002 --> 00:23:41,554
that though what I came

511
00:23:41,610 --> 00:23:44,466
to is that these two

512
00:23:44,506 --> 00:23:47,474
episodes really built the

513
00:23:47,530 --> 00:23:50,226
world. It was

514
00:23:50,266 --> 00:23:53,148
more world building. I mean, and that's

515
00:23:53,212 --> 00:23:56,204
crazy to say because the episode we're

516
00:23:56,220 --> 00:23:59,036
talking about right now with interest is

517
00:23:59,076 --> 00:24:01,948
a one off where we just follow A Day in the Life

518
00:24:01,972 --> 00:24:04,764
of Matt. Now granted, saying A day in life

519
00:24:04,820 --> 00:24:07,804
is a bit of a stretch because it's, it kind of implies

520
00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:10,572
every day he goes into a blanket bank and it gets

521
00:24:10,604 --> 00:24:11,296
robbed.

522
00:24:16,436 --> 00:24:19,244
>> Will: I just need to get, you know, alone and you know,

523
00:24:19,380 --> 00:24:22,108
having this conversation about he's over leveraged and. Yeah,

524
00:24:22,172 --> 00:24:24,142
and Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

525
00:24:24,174 --> 00:24:27,118
>> Sarah : But that's not that, it's just, it's funny to

526
00:24:27,142 --> 00:24:30,110
me like, like every day he manages

527
00:24:30,158 --> 00:24:32,814
to find himself in a circumstance but that

528
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:35,710
which leads to him trying to save somebody. Which

529
00:24:35,798 --> 00:24:37,666
kind of for a superhero,

530
00:24:38,726 --> 00:24:40,958
episodically, that is

531
00:24:41,142 --> 00:24:44,126
the, the structure of

532
00:24:44,246 --> 00:24:46,750
this storytelling. Like A day in the

533
00:24:46,758 --> 00:24:49,582
life of a hero is always trying to save

534
00:24:49,614 --> 00:24:51,956
someone, someone, ah. At the end of the day.

535
00:24:52,496 --> 00:24:55,398
And but I think that they did

536
00:24:55,422 --> 00:24:58,310
the smart thing and tie

537
00:24:58,358 --> 00:25:01,238
it into Fisk and what we

538
00:25:01,262 --> 00:25:04,246
saw Vanessa do. And, and you

539
00:25:04,286 --> 00:25:07,238
get that reveal because, because, and I like how they kind of

540
00:25:07,262 --> 00:25:09,894
withheld that because if you were getting a little

541
00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:12,758
bored, like we're spending too much time here, it's like,

542
00:25:12,782 --> 00:25:15,616
okay, who's the boss? Who's boss. Who's the boss.

543
00:25:16,036 --> 00:25:18,716
And. And it was. And it's also nice that it

544
00:25:18,756 --> 00:25:21,708
wasn't like it was Vanessa. No,

545
00:25:21,812 --> 00:25:24,268
it was one of the lower level mob

546
00:25:24,332 --> 00:25:26,844
bosses. But there were

547
00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:29,708
implications. So I can appreciate that

548
00:25:29,812 --> 00:25:32,636
we also met more of the police force who we

549
00:25:32,676 --> 00:25:35,564
later see in the next episode. We. And.

550
00:25:35,620 --> 00:25:37,696
And also one of the characters.

551
00:25:38,996 --> 00:25:41,756
This was kind of a stretch. One of the other

552
00:25:41,796 --> 00:25:44,758
people who just so happened to be in the bank in that day

553
00:25:44,892 --> 00:25:47,666
also works for the sanitation department. And

554
00:25:47,706 --> 00:25:50,114
the next episode they discover that

555
00:25:50,170 --> 00:25:52,914
somebody's been painting using blood

556
00:25:53,010 --> 00:25:55,570
to paint murals. So political

557
00:25:55,658 --> 00:25:56,486
murals.

558
00:25:59,226 --> 00:26:01,666
But still, despite all

559
00:26:01,706 --> 00:26:04,290
that, I do feel

560
00:26:04,458 --> 00:26:05,966
like together

561
00:26:07,546 --> 00:26:10,546
these two episodes built a world. And there's no

562
00:26:10,586 --> 00:26:13,456
way in h*** they could

563
00:26:13,496 --> 00:26:16,256
have released episode five and

564
00:26:16,296 --> 00:26:19,136
let. Let us go one week without episode

565
00:26:19,216 --> 00:26:19,836
six.

566
00:26:20,216 --> 00:26:22,880
>> Will: Yes, that was, that was my other big takeaway

567
00:26:22,928 --> 00:26:25,808
from. From the two. I completely agree with you that these episodes

568
00:26:25,872 --> 00:26:28,796
in a way, even though five is in.

569
00:26:29,176 --> 00:26:31,968
In a sense of like in. In the streaming

570
00:26:32,032 --> 00:26:34,930
serialized world that we're in now where every

571
00:26:34,986 --> 00:26:37,698
story seems to be, you know, serial

572
00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:40,562
storytelling. This was all, you know, it did throw back to the old

573
00:26:40,602 --> 00:26:43,194
days of like the bottle episode. But this one

574
00:26:43,218 --> 00:26:46,090
really did in some respects.

575
00:26:46,106 --> 00:26:49,018
But you're right, they did complement one another

576
00:26:49,090 --> 00:26:52,074
because I, I had the exact, exact same fall Tuesday night after

577
00:26:52,098 --> 00:26:55,092
I watched episode. I was like, yeah, they made the right call Aaron, these two back

578
00:26:55,116 --> 00:26:58,084
to back. Because it would have been

579
00:26:58,252 --> 00:27:01,092
hard for you know,

580
00:27:01,116 --> 00:27:04,004
to. To all the points that you. That how you did with all the various

581
00:27:04,052 --> 00:27:06,640
tie ins. You're right. I mean

582
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:10,094
it was nice that they you know, did

583
00:27:10,182 --> 00:27:12,890
have him back to back. And the other thing too, I thought that

584
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:16,350
with. With Matt, in particular, when

585
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:17,610
he did

586
00:27:19,090 --> 00:27:21,962
in some respects for me the

587
00:27:21,986 --> 00:27:24,870
decision for him to like go back to being

588
00:27:25,290 --> 00:27:28,036
you know, to just really go

589
00:27:28,108 --> 00:27:31,076
back to. To being Daredevil or.

590
00:27:31,148 --> 00:27:33,600
Or embracing the.

591
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:37,140
The mask so to speak, was this

592
00:27:37,180 --> 00:27:39,812
episode was episode five. Because

593
00:27:39,996 --> 00:27:42,964
you know, while it was. It was cool in one, it was cool in

594
00:27:42,972 --> 00:27:45,940
two respects. One, we got to see Matt just like, you know,

595
00:27:45,980 --> 00:27:48,628
it's just plain clothes Matt not

596
00:27:48,684 --> 00:27:50,880
worried, you know, trying to

597
00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:54,484
do. Do the superhero thing with. Without,

598
00:27:54,572 --> 00:27:57,556
you know, it's like without the mask, without the costume,

599
00:27:57,588 --> 00:28:00,518
without the armor and he's, you know, and he. Throughout

600
00:28:00,534 --> 00:28:03,382
the episode he was doing things like, you know, you

601
00:28:03,406 --> 00:28:06,374
know, like I said I gotta use the bathroom. So it can start to separate

602
00:28:06,422 --> 00:28:09,302
the, the people apart. And. And then

603
00:28:09,406 --> 00:28:12,326
you know, of course we see the fight in the stairwell and, and,

604
00:28:12,398 --> 00:28:15,206
and then later in front of the vault.

605
00:28:15,318 --> 00:28:18,166
So he was doing, you know, so he was really, you know, we've, we've

606
00:28:18,198 --> 00:28:21,126
been, we've been leading up to this point all throughout

607
00:28:21,158 --> 00:28:23,810
the series as far as him,

608
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,072
you know, trying to, you know,

609
00:28:27,096 --> 00:28:30,032
let the police handle this and, and, you know, let the, let the

610
00:28:30,056 --> 00:28:33,008
system handle things. I don't need to be a vigilante.

611
00:28:33,104 --> 00:28:35,220
But then when push came to shove,

612
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,560
he, he did go back to being, you know,

613
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,424
the vigilante. And then, you know, whenever he's like, hunting

614
00:28:41,472 --> 00:28:43,920
down the devil and the, the, you know, the

615
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,916
lead, you, know, he takes the, the ski masks so

616
00:28:46,940 --> 00:28:49,456
he can, you know, protect his

617
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,394
identity identity and, and does take matters into

618
00:28:52,434 --> 00:28:55,386
his own hands. So, you know, which, you know, I

619
00:28:55,410 --> 00:28:58,186
know you said it was very Disney plusified, but I mean, the

620
00:28:58,210 --> 00:29:00,896
bone crush whenever he, broke the dude's leg was

621
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,696
pretty, that was, yeah, that was, that

622
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,582
was leaning into the violence that, you know, that we,

623
00:29:06,638 --> 00:29:08,714
that people were expecting.

624
00:29:09,054 --> 00:29:11,942
>> Sarah : Yeah, I, I, I, I was, I

625
00:29:11,998 --> 00:29:14,834
said, I believe my statement was it's the most

626
00:29:15,254 --> 00:29:18,094
like, out of all of the episodes. Like,

627
00:29:18,134 --> 00:29:20,942
I'm not saying that it doesn't have its

628
00:29:20,998 --> 00:29:23,950
moments that bleed true to the show that we've

629
00:29:23,982 --> 00:29:26,774
been watching. I don't,

630
00:29:27,754 --> 00:29:30,626
I don't know if I can 100 agree with what

631
00:29:30,650 --> 00:29:32,974
you just said. I,

632
00:29:35,034 --> 00:29:37,554
because, and, and I kind of just lost,

633
00:29:37,674 --> 00:29:39,924
lost my my thought process there for a moment.

634
00:29:39,924 --> 00:29:42,732
M. But, I

635
00:29:42,788 --> 00:29:45,244
found it interesting that in, in this

636
00:29:45,284 --> 00:29:46,224
episode,

637
00:29:48,244 --> 00:29:51,084
for some reason I really like the point about

638
00:29:51,204 --> 00:29:53,900
him being Irish and an orphan

639
00:29:54,092 --> 00:29:56,876
and, and a character straight out of Charles

640
00:29:56,940 --> 00:29:58,744
Dickens, because

641
00:29:59,684 --> 00:30:02,024
this, in this series,

642
00:30:02,404 --> 00:30:05,308
Born Again. In the Born Again series, we have not spent a

643
00:30:05,316 --> 00:30:08,224
lot of time like, fleshing out

644
00:30:08,264 --> 00:30:11,232
the background of Matt Murdock because

645
00:30:11,368 --> 00:30:14,304
we have three previous seasons of Daredevil

646
00:30:14,384 --> 00:30:17,344
to do so. But I,

647
00:30:17,464 --> 00:30:20,288
I just, I, I felt like it was, it

648
00:30:20,296 --> 00:30:23,184
was interesting to bring that up and then have the

649
00:30:23,224 --> 00:30:26,144
robbers also to be Irish and to

650
00:30:26,184 --> 00:30:28,608
have it be on Saint Page Patrick's

651
00:30:28,656 --> 00:30:31,376
Day. And I felt like, and maybe this

652
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,954
is what you were, what you were getting at is

653
00:30:33,994 --> 00:30:36,578
like, majority of this episode he is,

654
00:30:36,666 --> 00:30:39,538
he's still the mat who we've seen

655
00:30:39,626 --> 00:30:42,450
since Foggy's death and

656
00:30:42,602 --> 00:30:45,054
still like, yes, doing,

657
00:30:45,354 --> 00:30:48,146
using some tricks, but not, not a

658
00:30:48,170 --> 00:30:51,006
hundred percent, out of the realm

659
00:30:51,070 --> 00:30:53,844
of when we saw him beat,

660
00:30:54,052 --> 00:30:56,888
up those two cops, because

661
00:30:56,976 --> 00:30:59,736
they were trying to tamper with the, the

662
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,164
Witness Witness tampering was going on.

663
00:31:02,514 --> 00:31:05,338
But it was really.

664
00:31:05,506 --> 00:31:08,474
When it's interesting though, when you

665
00:31:08,514 --> 00:31:11,258
have the ending moment of

666
00:31:11,426 --> 00:31:13,706
the. Like we already know.

667
00:31:13,890 --> 00:31:16,634
He, he, he. It's not like they

668
00:31:16,674 --> 00:31:19,610
took the, the diamond. They.

669
00:31:19,682 --> 00:31:22,426
He. This guy is getting away, but I

670
00:31:22,450 --> 00:31:25,338
mean he, at the end of the day is going to

671
00:31:25,346 --> 00:31:28,154
get away and probably going to get killed by his boss because

672
00:31:28,194 --> 00:31:30,460
he, his whole thing failed.

673
00:31:30,652 --> 00:31:33,564
So, so he's already a loser. But Matt

674
00:31:33,644 --> 00:31:36,268
decides to not be

675
00:31:36,356 --> 00:31:39,052
vigilante, in my opinion. And

676
00:31:39,108 --> 00:31:41,980
maybe this is. Goes more into like why he

677
00:31:42,052 --> 00:31:44,940
needs to not be a vigilante. It's

678
00:31:44,972 --> 00:31:47,804
because he decides like he needs to run

679
00:31:47,844 --> 00:31:50,412
this guy down and

680
00:31:50,468 --> 00:31:53,388
then break his leg and do all of this stuff

681
00:31:53,436 --> 00:31:56,302
to him, and put on a mask

682
00:31:56,398 --> 00:31:59,214
just because he's angry. You know,

683
00:31:59,254 --> 00:32:02,062
it's more of a vengeance. It's like you put these people

684
00:32:02,118 --> 00:32:05,118
at risk the guy. And, and also keep in mind.

685
00:32:05,206 --> 00:32:07,714
So this villain

686
00:32:08,374 --> 00:32:10,874
did not murder anyone in the bank.

687
00:32:11,414 --> 00:32:14,244
No, they, they they, they

688
00:32:14,284 --> 00:32:16,900
held, they threatened, but they actually

689
00:32:16,972 --> 00:32:19,966
never pulled the trigger on anyone. Everyone made it

690
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:22,766
out alive that day. So.

691
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:25,434
And, and the diamond, at the end of the day,

692
00:32:26,374 --> 00:32:29,150
Matt took and left it at the bank.

693
00:32:29,302 --> 00:32:31,474
So. So nothing was stolen

694
00:32:31,894 --> 00:32:34,046
either. So. So it's

695
00:32:34,110 --> 00:32:35,074
interesting,

696
00:32:36,454 --> 00:32:39,406
like if

697
00:32:39,510 --> 00:32:41,342
you really analyze that

698
00:32:41,398 --> 00:32:44,110
trajectory, I feel like

699
00:32:44,262 --> 00:32:47,102
this episode then serves more

700
00:32:47,158 --> 00:32:49,354
as an examination of how.

701
00:32:50,444 --> 00:32:53,140
Of that. Of that nature that

702
00:32:53,292 --> 00:32:55,504
Fisk has always been talking about.

703
00:32:56,044 --> 00:32:58,024
Like you have these abilities,

704
00:32:58,764 --> 00:33:01,348
but. And you think

705
00:33:01,436 --> 00:33:04,228
like, you think you're, you're getting

706
00:33:04,316 --> 00:33:07,064
justice, but really all it is is vengeance.

707
00:33:07,604 --> 00:33:10,212
M. And then to that point, if

708
00:33:10,268 --> 00:33:12,932
that's true, then what

709
00:33:12,988 --> 00:33:15,876
really was he trying to get vengeance

710
00:33:15,940 --> 00:33:18,868
for? The guy didn't. At the end of the day, the guy didn't

711
00:33:18,916 --> 00:33:21,744
really do anything. He may have hit mat few times,

712
00:33:21,784 --> 00:33:22,924
but come on.

713
00:33:23,384 --> 00:33:26,256
>> Will: Well, I mean, he did. I mean, he

714
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,008
did. I mean they got. There's a bit much to say. He didn't do

715
00:33:29,016 --> 00:33:31,760
anything. I mean he did rob. He did attempt to rob a bank,

716
00:33:31,832 --> 00:33:32,160
so.

717
00:33:32,232 --> 00:33:34,480
>> Sarah : Attempt to rob a Break. Attempted.

718
00:33:34,672 --> 00:33:37,264
>> Will: Yeah, well, a crime was committed. I mean,

719
00:33:37,304 --> 00:33:39,484
Matt said, you know, so

720
00:33:40,024 --> 00:33:42,684
sometimes it doesn't have to be like, you know,

721
00:33:43,144 --> 00:33:46,016
you know, you know, the muse level of violence

722
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,026
that that, that a superhero has to take

723
00:33:49,050 --> 00:33:51,986
out. I mean it, it can be, you

724
00:33:52,010 --> 00:33:54,414
know, and I guess for me it's just more.

725
00:33:55,034 --> 00:33:57,938
For me it just episode five,

726
00:33:58,026 --> 00:34:00,818
like when Matt does finally decide to don

727
00:34:00,906 --> 00:34:03,506
the costume to take down Muse in episode

728
00:34:03,570 --> 00:34:05,986
six, I. I feel like

729
00:34:06,170 --> 00:34:09,106
the, the, the glad path what you did.

730
00:34:09,130 --> 00:34:12,002
To your point, you know, when we saw whenever he beat

731
00:34:12,018 --> 00:34:14,910
up the cops earlier in the season and you know, and other.

732
00:34:14,982 --> 00:34:17,434
And other element, you know, that he,

733
00:34:17,894 --> 00:34:20,714
he was really trying to, like

734
00:34:21,094 --> 00:34:23,854
he felt something.

735
00:34:23,974 --> 00:34:26,878
You know, Phil, you know, felt terrible about it or whatever. You

736
00:34:26,886 --> 00:34:29,710
know, he felt, you know, he's like, no, I'm trying to do. I'm trying to

737
00:34:29,782 --> 00:34:32,508
break away from this world of taking

738
00:34:32,580 --> 00:34:35,436
things into my own hands and, and even,

739
00:34:35,604 --> 00:34:38,492
you know, so, so like at the end of this

740
00:34:38,532 --> 00:34:41,354
episode when he does stop debling. I mean, it

741
00:34:41,378 --> 00:34:44,182
feels like the, the, the, the,

742
00:34:45,282 --> 00:34:48,266
you know, it is like, you know, when you just, you know,

743
00:34:48,274 --> 00:34:51,162
when you compare it with. With Fisk and you know, we've seen

744
00:34:51,202 --> 00:34:54,170
those glimpse. You know, we've. We've seen them both like

745
00:34:54,306 --> 00:34:57,018
dip their toes back into their true

746
00:34:57,050 --> 00:34:59,882
natures in different ways. And so this one was

747
00:34:59,922 --> 00:35:02,778
like the, this was like the Matt's

748
00:35:02,810 --> 00:35:05,754
like at that line now where,

749
00:35:05,858 --> 00:35:08,340
you know, all. It was just then once

750
00:35:08,396 --> 00:35:11,380
with the events in episode six

751
00:35:11,436 --> 00:35:14,372
just completely takes him over the line and he's just like, okay, I got.

752
00:35:14,412 --> 00:35:17,394
He's he's suiting up and he's gonna. Right, go back to do

753
00:35:17,418 --> 00:35:20,242
his thing. So that's where I was really. That's really

754
00:35:20,282 --> 00:35:22,754
where I was. Was thinking how episode five sort of

755
00:35:22,778 --> 00:35:25,746
sets. Sets up that moment more so in episode

756
00:35:25,794 --> 00:35:26,382
six

757
00:35:28,682 --> 00:35:29,858
with, with him.

758
00:35:29,930 --> 00:35:32,684
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, I know, I know what you're saying. I don't agree with

759
00:35:32,708 --> 00:35:35,302
it, but I understand,

760
00:35:36,172 --> 00:35:38,852
how you got there. I don't really.

761
00:35:38,972 --> 00:35:41,912
I feel like all five episodes

762
00:35:42,972 --> 00:35:45,352
are the glide path. I, And

763
00:35:45,392 --> 00:35:48,372
arguably, arguably this is just me.

764
00:35:48,672 --> 00:35:51,384
I don't even think you necessarily need episode

765
00:35:51,448 --> 00:35:54,296
five, because

766
00:35:54,464 --> 00:35:57,256
the real motivation in episode

767
00:35:57,304 --> 00:36:00,002
six, excessive force for

768
00:36:00,042 --> 00:36:02,914
him is Angela, right? I

769
00:36:02,938 --> 00:36:05,426
said her name. Yeah, Angela. And,

770
00:36:05,514 --> 00:36:08,434
and he, he only knows about Angela because of

771
00:36:08,458 --> 00:36:11,282
Hector. So. So to

772
00:36:11,322 --> 00:36:14,098
an extent, like,

773
00:36:14,170 --> 00:36:16,978
his real motivation always started

774
00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:19,890
the moment Hector died. And

775
00:36:19,946 --> 00:36:22,786
like, like he, he did the right thing.

776
00:36:22,874 --> 00:36:25,762
He got justice. He. He was

777
00:36:25,802 --> 00:36:28,754
the lawyer. And yet someone still managed to

778
00:36:28,778 --> 00:36:31,394
take out this innocent person. And

779
00:36:31,498 --> 00:36:34,114
now his niece is in

780
00:36:34,138 --> 00:36:37,042
danger because his niece is, has that

781
00:36:37,082 --> 00:36:39,922
instinct too to there's something going

782
00:36:39,962 --> 00:36:42,898
on. My uncle knew about it. I, I can't

783
00:36:42,930 --> 00:36:45,794
trust the, the cops, so I have to

784
00:36:45,818 --> 00:36:48,290
go and, and figure this out on my own

785
00:36:48,426 --> 00:36:51,042
Now. Now was that the smartest thing for the girl to do?

786
00:36:51,082 --> 00:36:53,984
And, And I don't know about you, I didn't see her wearing an

787
00:36:54,008 --> 00:36:56,560
amulet, so I don't know what her plan

788
00:36:56,616 --> 00:36:57,216
was.

789
00:36:57,384 --> 00:37:00,128
>> Will: Yeah, no, she, she was not, she was not wearing it.

790
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,104
Yeah, I was like, looking very carefully throughout because I was

791
00:37:03,128 --> 00:37:06,124
like, yeah, yeah, when is

792
00:37:06,148 --> 00:37:09,004
she gonna like, sit up like. But maybe this

793
00:37:09,028 --> 00:37:11,932
is like the. Maybe this is how she, like, ends up taking

794
00:37:11,972 --> 00:37:14,748
up the mantle of the White Tiger. She's gonna need the amulet

795
00:37:14,780 --> 00:37:17,588
to, to, you know, to, heal her, have his healing

796
00:37:17,620 --> 00:37:19,812
powers or properties after, you know, given that.

797
00:37:19,852 --> 00:37:20,432
>> Sarah : Right.

798
00:37:20,732 --> 00:37:22,292
>> Will: Drew out the blood from her.

799
00:37:22,412 --> 00:37:25,006
>> Sarah : Right. the other thing

800
00:37:25,174 --> 00:37:27,486
that kind of stuck out to me

801
00:37:27,574 --> 00:37:29,662
or that

802
00:37:29,782 --> 00:37:31,842
rhythm rhythmically

803
00:37:32,582 --> 00:37:35,422
just didn't kind of, like, hit

804
00:37:35,462 --> 00:37:36,762
a nerve with me,

805
00:37:38,282 --> 00:37:41,188
was the Cherry scene. And that's

806
00:37:41,220 --> 00:37:44,148
just because the moment Cherry walks in, I'm

807
00:37:44,180 --> 00:37:47,124
like, oh, my God, Cherry, I forgot you were on the show. I feel

808
00:37:47,148 --> 00:37:49,072
like I haven't seen you in two hours.

809
00:37:49,372 --> 00:37:50,152
>> Will: Yeah.

810
00:37:51,292 --> 00:37:54,068
>> Sarah : Then for him to drop the news

811
00:37:54,140 --> 00:37:56,788
about Muse and to

812
00:37:56,860 --> 00:37:59,732
say, like, like, I don't want you going

813
00:37:59,772 --> 00:38:01,472
back there. I was just like,

814
00:38:02,412 --> 00:38:05,076
see, a few episodes ago,

815
00:38:05,164 --> 00:38:08,162
this scene would have been perfect, make a lot

816
00:38:08,202 --> 00:38:11,122
more sense to me. But because I haven't seen Cherry

817
00:38:11,282 --> 00:38:13,730
interact with Matt or

818
00:38:13,786 --> 00:38:16,642
even, like, Cherry and Matt have

819
00:38:16,682 --> 00:38:19,682
conversations about why, like, Like,

820
00:38:19,722 --> 00:38:22,242
Cherry is Matt's sober

821
00:38:22,322 --> 00:38:25,154
coach. Okay. But we

822
00:38:25,178 --> 00:38:27,906
haven't seen him talk to the coach

823
00:38:27,994 --> 00:38:30,594
in a while. And so for him to come

824
00:38:30,618 --> 00:38:33,570
out and, and the fact that he delivers the

825
00:38:33,626 --> 00:38:36,348
news, I'm like, man, you're doing a bad

826
00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:39,228
job at your bad job

827
00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:41,900
here. Why? You know, he

828
00:38:41,956 --> 00:38:44,812
can't let that go. I

829
00:38:44,852 --> 00:38:47,436
just, that kind of. I, and I love

830
00:38:47,524 --> 00:38:50,444
Cherry, and I really liked him in, like, the first few

831
00:38:50,468 --> 00:38:53,452
episodes where he was a consistent character, but

832
00:38:53,492 --> 00:38:56,316
to use him like this, I was just like, okay,

833
00:38:56,444 --> 00:38:59,180
what. What are we doing here? I get it,

834
00:38:59,236 --> 00:39:01,632
but I'm like, it's been too long, guys.

835
00:39:03,192 --> 00:39:06,080
>> Will: Yeah, Yeah. I mean, yeah, I will. I agree

836
00:39:06,136 --> 00:39:09,088
with you that it did seem like, oh, it's

837
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,892
Jerry again. I, I, I.

838
00:39:12,392 --> 00:39:15,296
Yeah, I, I, I, I, I completely agree with what you

839
00:39:15,304 --> 00:39:18,012
just said there. it was a bit,

840
00:39:18,892 --> 00:39:21,764
out of place or just didn't seem

841
00:39:21,788 --> 00:39:24,756
to rip. Didn't flow as far as with the edits and

842
00:39:24,764 --> 00:39:25,444
stuff. Maybe.

843
00:39:25,508 --> 00:39:27,552
>> Sarah : Yeah, it just, it just.

844
00:39:28,532 --> 00:39:30,988
It. They, they. They are

845
00:39:31,060 --> 00:39:33,932
building. Like, every time I think about this show and

846
00:39:33,972 --> 00:39:36,924
what it's done so far, the sound of a

847
00:39:36,948 --> 00:39:39,432
tea kettle comes to my mind.

848
00:39:40,052 --> 00:39:42,764
And, And I don't know what it is about

849
00:39:42,948 --> 00:39:44,912
the, the escalation,

850
00:39:45,492 --> 00:39:47,052
the, the,

851
00:39:48,132 --> 00:39:50,860
the trying not to let

852
00:39:50,996 --> 00:39:53,532
your anger or your,

853
00:39:53,652 --> 00:39:56,236
your bad side get the best of you.

854
00:39:56,324 --> 00:39:58,896
Like, like this simmering boil

855
00:39:59,024 --> 00:40:01,984
occurs. And, but to have

856
00:40:02,008 --> 00:40:03,888
a scene like that, it kind of

857
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,128
detracted from

858
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,104
motivation because it's just like, if that

859
00:40:09,128 --> 00:40:12,000
was the character's purpose, a

860
00:40:12,056 --> 00:40:14,896
he. He would have never told Matt

861
00:40:14,944 --> 00:40:17,872
that there There was no reason. Like, he.

862
00:40:17,912 --> 00:40:20,800
He brushes it. I like how they say, oh, you're gonna hear

863
00:40:20,856 --> 00:40:23,272
about this anyway, so I'd rather it come from. From

864
00:40:23,312 --> 00:40:25,890
me. based on everything that we're hearing.

865
00:40:25,986 --> 00:40:28,462
Actually. No. Like,

866
00:40:28,922 --> 00:40:31,458
no. That you're. They're not. So I don't

867
00:40:31,490 --> 00:40:34,354
understand why you feel obligated to

868
00:40:34,378 --> 00:40:37,106
tell him and then you immediately

869
00:40:37,154 --> 00:40:40,146
follow it up with. You got to let the cops handle this.

870
00:40:40,234 --> 00:40:43,058
Like, one plus one is an equaling two here.

871
00:40:43,130 --> 00:40:46,098
I. So. So that. But

872
00:40:46,170 --> 00:40:48,102
all that aside,

873
00:40:49,152 --> 00:40:51,960
I. I really enjoyed this episode because

874
00:40:52,096 --> 00:40:54,766
of, The. The parallelism

875
00:40:55,506 --> 00:40:58,026
really came to a head for me and

876
00:40:58,066 --> 00:41:01,050
worked so well between Fisk and Matt.

877
00:41:01,098 --> 00:41:03,674
I mean, between the opening conversations

878
00:41:03,850 --> 00:41:06,778
with Amanda, who's writing a book

879
00:41:06,802 --> 00:41:09,642
about vigilantism, specifically about why

880
00:41:09,714 --> 00:41:12,138
we revere the mask and once interview

881
00:41:12,202 --> 00:41:15,156
Castle. Matt's never gonna let that happen because

882
00:41:15,196 --> 00:41:18,164
of a little thing called Frank Castle and Karen. Okay? He lost

883
00:41:18,220 --> 00:41:21,028
one girlfriend, Tim. He's not gonna lose the second one. I'm just

884
00:41:21,052 --> 00:41:21,616
saying.

885
00:41:25,436 --> 00:41:26,436
I had to.

886
00:41:26,556 --> 00:41:28,228
>> Will: I know you had to. I know. Yeah.

887
00:41:28,372 --> 00:41:31,092
>> Sarah : Yeah. And then to fast forward to the

888
00:41:31,164 --> 00:41:33,716
ending with. Between the

889
00:41:33,756 --> 00:41:36,436
muse and Daredevil showdown

890
00:41:36,516 --> 00:41:39,470
and the Adam and. And Fist

891
00:41:39,518 --> 00:41:42,014
showdown. Like. Like, it just. It

892
00:41:42,070 --> 00:41:45,054
worked so well. I love me a good

893
00:41:45,110 --> 00:41:47,886
book. Book endings. And to fact that they

894
00:41:47,926 --> 00:41:50,746
took both of these characters. It really.

895
00:41:51,286 --> 00:41:53,886
This. This whole show really should be

896
00:41:53,926 --> 00:41:56,670
called Daredevil and Fisk born

897
00:41:56,718 --> 00:41:57,306
again.

898
00:41:57,606 --> 00:41:59,106
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

899
00:41:59,606 --> 00:42:02,346
>> Sarah : Because, I mean, other than episode five,

900
00:42:03,366 --> 00:42:05,788
I feel as though Fiskets equal

901
00:42:05,942 --> 00:42:08,736
screen time for a reason. And this. This

902
00:42:08,776 --> 00:42:10,796
show is, like, equally his.

903
00:42:11,896 --> 00:42:14,784
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that, the ending would

904
00:42:14,808 --> 00:42:17,722
definitely, to your point about it being a,

905
00:42:18,442 --> 00:42:21,298
you know, tea kettle that was just simmering

906
00:42:21,330 --> 00:42:24,042
to a bolt, you know, to. To the whistle, really.

907
00:42:24,612 --> 00:42:27,422
this. This was. This. This was the whistle of moment, for. For

908
00:42:27,446 --> 00:42:30,170
both of them. Because, you know, when you think about,

909
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,342
throughout. With, like, with Fisk. With this episode, you know, we have

910
00:42:33,366 --> 00:42:36,078
Luca, you know, barging into the mayor's.

911
00:42:36,254 --> 00:42:39,112
Mayor's, office and, you know, just

912
00:42:39,184 --> 00:42:42,088
not showing the respect, not only of the

913
00:42:42,112 --> 00:42:44,822
mayor, but also just the fact that this used to be the kingpin. and

914
00:42:44,862 --> 00:42:47,670
just how if, you know, the thing

915
00:42:47,726 --> 00:42:50,694
like with. With Fisk and you know, and of course,

916
00:42:50,718 --> 00:42:53,350
his relationship with Vanessa throughout and.

917
00:42:53,486 --> 00:42:56,128
And. And what we saw with them and

918
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,742
then, throughout the series.

919
00:43:00,162 --> 00:43:02,714
Impotence is the word that comes to my

920
00:43:02,738 --> 00:43:05,528
mind, because he, you know, he's.

921
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,362
He's neutered, in from the. From the.

922
00:43:08,482 --> 00:43:11,130
From who he. Who he's been

923
00:43:11,266 --> 00:43:14,074
And. And. And and it

924
00:43:14,098 --> 00:43:16,762
shows and you know, how the people interact with him. And even

925
00:43:16,802 --> 00:43:19,274
whenever, you know, even with the rich people they're in

926
00:43:19,298 --> 00:43:22,202
town, you know, how they treat. How

927
00:43:22,322 --> 00:43:25,274
at the fundraiser they just, you know, was also very dismissive of

928
00:43:25,298 --> 00:43:28,122
him. So it's just, you know, so many

929
00:43:28,162 --> 00:43:31,114
levels that, you know, we've gotten teases, you

930
00:43:31,138 --> 00:43:33,690
know, to your point, you know, as we were talking about earlier with. With

931
00:43:33,746 --> 00:43:36,644
runways, you know, to this moment, you know,

932
00:43:36,668 --> 00:43:39,232
we, we, you know, we do get those

933
00:43:39,932 --> 00:43:42,804
throughout the series with Fisk and you know, we

934
00:43:42,828 --> 00:43:45,716
talked about the food and stuff and it was. He's,

935
00:43:45,764 --> 00:43:48,596
you know, whenever we, you know, when he goes down into the cage, you

936
00:43:48,604 --> 00:43:51,354
know, and we see the evidence

937
00:43:51,418 --> 00:43:54,336
of him indulging in his appetites, you know, we

938
00:43:54,344 --> 00:43:57,248
see the, The. The real reaction

939
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,176
to it, not only with the fight, but also his suits are starting to

940
00:44:00,184 --> 00:44:03,088
tear now because he's putting the weight back on. You know, so it's

941
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,824
just so many, you know, those visual cues and as

942
00:44:05,928 --> 00:44:08,784
things that just remind us as far as, you know, who

943
00:44:08,808 --> 00:44:11,360
these two gentlemen really are as far as their true

944
00:44:11,376 --> 00:44:12,212
natures.

945
00:44:15,042 --> 00:44:17,502
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, definitely.

946
00:44:18,112 --> 00:44:19,372
anything else?

947
00:44:20,022 --> 00:44:22,754
>> Will: yeah, I mean, as far as like, you know, the. I do, you know,

948
00:44:22,778 --> 00:44:25,378
do. To your point earlier too, about the the world

949
00:44:25,434 --> 00:44:27,952
building, you know, we also saw the tie in with the

950
00:44:27,976 --> 00:44:30,934
Hawkeye with the with the swordsman, you know, first with the bb

951
00:44:30,982 --> 00:44:33,912
and then of course, you know, as I was mentioning the rich folks, you know, we do

952
00:44:33,936 --> 00:44:36,910
see the swordsman without his, mask, when he confronts, Fisk and their.

953
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:39,882
Their little dialogue there at the. At

954
00:44:39,906 --> 00:44:42,740
the fundraiser as well. so, yeah, so again,

955
00:44:42,780 --> 00:44:45,716
you're just wanted. Again, it's

956
00:44:45,748 --> 00:44:48,500
just showing how, how this. They are world

957
00:44:48,540 --> 00:44:51,476
building and tie in. Not only we, of course we got the Ms.

958
00:44:51,548 --> 00:44:54,420
Marvel tie in in episode five, but

959
00:44:54,460 --> 00:44:57,360
we also get the Hawkeye, tie in again not

960
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,950
only with the, not only with. With this, but

961
00:44:59,990 --> 00:45:02,880
also, an echo as well as far as, you know, with this

962
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,540
being shot and. And you.

963
00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:08,024
Of how his relationship

964
00:45:08,072 --> 00:45:10,762
and stuff with Vanessa changed, from. From all that as

965
00:45:10,786 --> 00:45:11,350
well.

966
00:45:13,410 --> 00:45:16,390
>> Sarah : Yep. I did not recognize the swordsman. Just

967
00:45:16,430 --> 00:45:16,726
saying.

968
00:45:16,798 --> 00:45:19,734
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, well, you know, when I saw him, I was like. When I

969
00:45:19,742 --> 00:45:22,742
was watching episode, I was like, that dude looks familiar. I was

970
00:45:22,766 --> 00:45:25,654
like. Because I remember, you know, BB's report with. With the

971
00:45:25,662 --> 00:45:28,582
Swordsman earlier. And then when I saw the character, I

972
00:45:28,606 --> 00:45:31,348
saw them talking there in the. At the fundraiser, I was like,

973
00:45:31,484 --> 00:45:34,340
who is this guy? I just. I know that face. And

974
00:45:34,380 --> 00:45:37,300
then, and yeah, so afterwards I did, I did

975
00:45:37,340 --> 00:45:40,036
look it up and I was like, oh, it's, you know, I put the two,

976
00:45:40,108 --> 00:45:42,970
two, two things together. because I was like,

977
00:45:43,010 --> 00:45:45,834
yeah, I know this guy. I just can't remember where I saw him from.

978
00:45:45,922 --> 00:45:48,858
But you know, it's been so long since I watched Hawkeye. I don't. And I only watched

979
00:45:48,874 --> 00:45:51,834
it, Just watched it once. So there he

980
00:45:51,842 --> 00:45:53,114
was, the stepdad. Yeah.

981
00:45:53,162 --> 00:45:53,946
>> Sarah : Yep.

982
00:45:54,138 --> 00:45:54,554
>> Will: Yeah.

983
00:45:54,602 --> 00:45:56,986
>> Sarah : All right, well that leads us to your friendly

984
00:45:57,018 --> 00:45:59,704
neighborhood, Spider Man. We have another

985
00:45:59,792 --> 00:46:02,632
two episodes. Episode three, Secret Identity

986
00:46:02,696 --> 00:46:05,672
Crisis and episode four, hitting big time.

987
00:46:05,856 --> 00:46:08,600
Really to sum up these two

988
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,952
episodes, it is about

989
00:46:11,136 --> 00:46:14,072
Peter teaming up with Norman Osborne for

990
00:46:14,096 --> 00:46:15,420
better and for worse.

991
00:46:16,530 --> 00:46:19,230
and, and also Lonnie,

992
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:22,356
becoming a gang member inadvertently

993
00:46:22,548 --> 00:46:24,830
or virtually.

994
00:46:26,130 --> 00:46:28,522
Very virtually choosing

995
00:46:28,666 --> 00:46:31,594
to, to in order to save his brother becomes a gang

996
00:46:31,642 --> 00:46:34,412
member. unfortunately. And

997
00:46:34,516 --> 00:46:36,988
at the end of the, the second

998
00:46:37,044 --> 00:46:39,612
episode we get the reveal that

999
00:46:39,716 --> 00:46:42,280
Dr. Otto Octavius is behind

1000
00:46:42,740 --> 00:46:45,692
the tech that has been going around that

1001
00:46:45,716 --> 00:46:48,454
we've seen previously with the, the

1002
00:46:48,542 --> 00:46:51,532
arsonist character. there's some tech

1003
00:46:51,596 --> 00:46:53,580
happening that is,

1004
00:46:54,580 --> 00:46:57,498
trying to amplify people, and

1005
00:46:57,554 --> 00:47:00,474
give them abilities, but unfortunately

1006
00:47:00,522 --> 00:47:03,402
they don't know how to use it. So that's how Spidey and

1007
00:47:03,426 --> 00:47:06,298
Norman are able to outsmart them. Oh, and then

1008
00:47:06,354 --> 00:47:09,002
of course all the Osbornes have to know that

1009
00:47:09,106 --> 00:47:12,072
Spider man is Peter Parker

1010
00:47:12,136 --> 00:47:14,808
because it doesn't take too long for

1011
00:47:14,864 --> 00:47:17,800
Harry to also know the identity. But that was

1012
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,300
just a matter of time.

1013
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,472
the. I, I think that these episodes are

1014
00:47:23,496 --> 00:47:26,060
good in the sense that

1015
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:28,910
it is, it's interesting to see

1016
00:47:30,330 --> 00:47:33,310
Norman and Peter team up,

1017
00:47:34,130 --> 00:47:37,072
just, just this like,

1018
00:47:37,176 --> 00:47:39,380
like they're doing a good job with Norman.

1019
00:47:39,460 --> 00:47:41,922
because we're not getting the story

1020
00:47:42,026 --> 00:47:44,408
that that Harry and

1021
00:47:44,464 --> 00:47:47,448
Peter grew up together or had some kind of

1022
00:47:47,504 --> 00:47:50,344
long standing friendship. No, this is

1023
00:47:50,432 --> 00:47:53,064
mainly in the first episode. We see

1024
00:47:53,152 --> 00:47:55,960
Peter save Harry and that

1025
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,904
leads to Norman wanting to know who this hero

1026
00:47:58,952 --> 00:48:01,846
is. And also, also what I really

1027
00:48:01,918 --> 00:48:04,214
liked was shout out to the Sefkovia

1028
00:48:04,262 --> 00:48:05,238
Accords.

1029
00:48:05,414 --> 00:48:06,918
>> Will: Yes, yes.

1030
00:48:07,094 --> 00:48:09,830
>> Sarah : Like, wow. I did not

1031
00:48:09,870 --> 00:48:12,870
expect them to be brought up in this show. And they

1032
00:48:12,910 --> 00:48:15,782
were. And they're also somewhat of

1033
00:48:15,806 --> 00:48:18,596
a background threat, because that Peter's

1034
00:48:18,628 --> 00:48:21,428
worried about. But Norman feels as though he can,

1035
00:48:21,564 --> 00:48:23,440
he can keep them at bay.

1036
00:48:24,070 --> 00:48:26,802
and preventing Peter from revealing

1037
00:48:26,926 --> 00:48:29,850
his identity to, you know, the only the

1038
00:48:29,890 --> 00:48:32,762
five people in New York at, who at that point won't know who he

1039
00:48:32,786 --> 00:48:33,210
is.

1040
00:48:33,330 --> 00:48:36,170
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, like I did

1041
00:48:36,210 --> 00:48:39,180
like that too. you know that with the Accords and

1042
00:48:39,130 --> 00:48:42,062
well, that was, ah. That was a nice. Again, as

1043
00:48:42,086 --> 00:48:44,952
far as world building and tying everything together, that

1044
00:48:44,976 --> 00:48:47,944
was a great shot. And I guess too for me,

1045
00:48:47,952 --> 00:48:50,712
I was just like, now wait a minute. You know, with

1046
00:48:50,736 --> 00:48:53,060
this, with the chords. You know, I think.

1047
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,408
I think this show is, you know, it's, you know, it is based in

1048
00:48:56,464 --> 00:48:59,352
another version of. You know, maybe in a

1049
00:48:59,376 --> 00:49:02,024
different universe, but different world.

1050
00:49:02,112 --> 00:49:05,112
But, you know, but it was still just nice to like, see, you

1051
00:49:05,136 --> 00:49:08,072
know. So I guess. I guess to use the, you know, use the term the

1052
00:49:08,096 --> 00:49:10,736
Nexus events, that use the MCU

1053
00:49:10,768 --> 00:49:13,410
parlance and Marvel parlance, it was. It was cool to see

1054
00:49:13,450 --> 00:49:14,030
that.

1055
00:49:14,570 --> 00:49:17,310
>> Sarah : Yeah. It. It brings almost

1056
00:49:17,850 --> 00:49:20,802
a sense of. Because what. After they brought it up and then

1057
00:49:20,826 --> 00:49:23,622
I was like, okay, so what's going to be different? And then they

1058
00:49:23,646 --> 00:49:26,118
mentioned the airport. I'm like, oh, interesting.

1059
00:49:26,214 --> 00:49:29,142
Because Feiding was at that airport scene, but

1060
00:49:29,166 --> 00:49:30,118
now he's not.

1061
00:49:30,254 --> 00:49:30,918
>> Will: Yep.

1062
00:49:31,014 --> 00:49:33,548
>> Sarah : So, like, it's more

1063
00:49:33,604 --> 00:49:36,188
about. Okay, how does the.

1064
00:49:36,324 --> 00:49:39,180
How. How is this diverging? Because

1065
00:49:39,220 --> 00:49:42,060
I don't. I don't think this is a Nexus event either

1066
00:49:42,220 --> 00:49:44,440
because of the differences between

1067
00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:47,788
the 616 storyline and

1068
00:49:47,844 --> 00:49:49,240
what we're seeing here,

1069
00:49:50,510 --> 00:49:53,318
occur. So, so it. Again,

1070
00:49:53,374 --> 00:49:55,650
and I think I said this when talking about,

1071
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,674
episodes one and two, only now

1072
00:49:58,762 --> 00:50:01,058
it's more of the MCU and

1073
00:50:01,114 --> 00:50:04,070
universe where it's like, it's familiar,

1074
00:50:04,570 --> 00:50:07,138
but we're not. We're not repeating these

1075
00:50:07,194 --> 00:50:10,110
beats. We. We're telling a

1076
00:50:10,410 --> 00:50:12,910
similar yet different story.

1077
00:50:13,540 --> 00:50:16,194
and. And also.

1078
00:50:16,282 --> 00:50:18,594
Okay, again, similar, yet different

1079
00:50:18,682 --> 00:50:21,266
story. I can't be the only

1080
00:50:21,338 --> 00:50:24,146
female watcher who watched this and did not think,

1081
00:50:24,218 --> 00:50:26,786
oh, I get it. Norman

1082
00:50:26,978 --> 00:50:29,698
is the boss from Devil Wears Prada and

1083
00:50:29,754 --> 00:50:32,146
we're getting the full Anne

1084
00:50:32,178 --> 00:50:35,154
Hathaway fashion multiple

1085
00:50:35,282 --> 00:50:38,258
outfit sequence going on here. Like,

1086
00:50:38,314 --> 00:50:41,190
and one day Peter is gonna find one that fits.

1087
00:50:41,570 --> 00:50:44,458
Yeah, like the,

1088
00:50:44,514 --> 00:50:47,210
the montage of the suits.

1089
00:50:47,370 --> 00:50:50,318
I, was like, immediately went to Devil's word. Prada.

1090
00:50:50,414 --> 00:50:52,450
Devil's word. Okay.

1091
00:50:54,070 --> 00:50:56,862
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, that's a good. That, you know,

1092
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,840
yeah, that I did not put that connection together. But,

1093
00:50:59,790 --> 00:51:02,410
but I could. But I totally see it.

1094
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:05,118
>> Sarah : I. I would not have expected you to.

1095
00:51:05,174 --> 00:51:07,320
Okay, this is a deep cut.

1096
00:51:08,340 --> 00:51:11,270
>> Will: That's a deep cut. But I love. I. It. You know, I,

1097
00:51:11,310 --> 00:51:13,926
I always appreciate when you. Whenever you pull those deep

1098
00:51:13,958 --> 00:51:14,650
cuts.

1099
00:51:15,230 --> 00:51:17,558
>> Sarah : It also between this

1100
00:51:17,614 --> 00:51:20,408
episode, and maybe that's just because we have

1101
00:51:20,464 --> 00:51:22,856
recently talked about Invincible,

1102
00:51:23,048 --> 00:51:25,672
but even Invincible, we saw

1103
00:51:25,776 --> 00:51:28,762
the. The the suit creator and work

1104
00:51:28,786 --> 00:51:31,430
on Oliver's suit and Oliver go through

1105
00:51:31,980 --> 00:51:34,644
not More of a suit like

1106
00:51:34,812 --> 00:51:37,252
phase, but also more of a name

1107
00:51:37,356 --> 00:51:40,340
convention. What. What should people call him?

1108
00:51:40,380 --> 00:51:43,370
But it's a very similar thing. and

1109
00:51:43,410 --> 00:51:45,946
they ultimately do end up on.

1110
00:51:46,098 --> 00:51:47,830
And it's also

1111
00:51:48,370 --> 00:51:51,370
interesting because the spider. Our

1112
00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:53,190
Tom Holland. Spider Man.

1113
00:51:53,930 --> 00:51:56,738
>> Sarah : He is gifted his

1114
00:51:56,794 --> 00:51:58,498
suit from Stark.

1115
00:51:58,674 --> 00:52:01,602
>> Will: Yeah. I was thinking the parallels there. Yeah, yeah,

1116
00:52:01,666 --> 00:52:04,562
yeah. I. Yeah. Because I was like, okay, in this universe, you

1117
00:52:04,586 --> 00:52:07,362
know, Norman's the one who's, you know, who is. Is the

1118
00:52:07,386 --> 00:52:10,212
benefactor for. For Peter. But, but to your

1119
00:52:10,236 --> 00:52:13,012
point, I mean, so, yeah, the. Some of the beats are

1120
00:52:13,036 --> 00:52:15,508
familiar from the mcu because, you know, it was

1121
00:52:15,564 --> 00:52:17,390
also, you know,

1122
00:52:18,010 --> 00:52:20,274
Tony, you know, recognizing, you know,

1123
00:52:20,282 --> 00:52:23,202
Peter's genius. And the covers, you know, they

1124
00:52:23,226 --> 00:52:25,858
kind of take the, you know, the, you know, the, you know, whenever May

1125
00:52:25,914 --> 00:52:28,860
and Tony M.

1126
00:52:28,860 --> 00:52:31,280
Yeah. With the. Yeah. With. With the

1127
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,160
internship. And now we actually, you know, we see it in this

1128
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,152
universe, you know, Peter is there and this is how Norman

1129
00:52:37,296 --> 00:52:40,176
figured, you know, he. The purpose of it is to figure out who is Spider

1130
00:52:40,208 --> 00:52:43,084
Man. So, you know, I did like, I did like the way that they, you

1131
00:52:43,092 --> 00:52:45,980
know, you. You took it in this

1132
00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:48,892
direction in this show to your point to, you know, not to

1133
00:52:48,916 --> 00:52:51,798
repeat things, that we. We've already seen in the MCU

1134
00:52:51,846 --> 00:52:52,434
proper.

1135
00:52:52,894 --> 00:52:55,730
>> Sarah : Right. And. And again,

1136
00:52:55,882 --> 00:52:58,770
also, we're not. We've. We've

1137
00:52:58,802 --> 00:53:01,794
barely seen Harry. We've barely seen

1138
00:53:01,834 --> 00:53:04,498
Harry. This is more about a dynamic

1139
00:53:04,546 --> 00:53:07,432
between, Norman and Peter right now. And

1140
00:53:07,488 --> 00:53:09,544
also Peter and Lonnie.

1141
00:53:09,704 --> 00:53:10,280
>> Will: Yeah.

1142
00:53:10,392 --> 00:53:13,224
>> Sarah : Which Lonnie, again, is also a very

1143
00:53:13,264 --> 00:53:16,184
interesting character because he's new for

1144
00:53:16,224 --> 00:53:19,054
all. I. I'm from what I'm aware of.

1145
00:53:19,224 --> 00:53:21,826
And so they could go anywhere. And if you

1146
00:53:21,850 --> 00:53:23,534
spoil this for me, Will.

1147
00:53:24,634 --> 00:53:26,546
>> Will: I won't spoil it. I won't spoil it.

1148
00:53:26,650 --> 00:53:29,602
>> Sarah : Don't spoil it for me. I

1149
00:53:29,658 --> 00:53:32,434
want to be surprised. Okay. And then

1150
00:53:32,474 --> 00:53:35,218
you can say, yeah, yeah.

1151
00:53:35,266 --> 00:53:37,730
So. So like I said,

1152
00:53:37,882 --> 00:53:40,658
asterisks. I do not know

1153
00:53:40,746 --> 00:53:43,170
what's going to come about of this Lonnie

1154
00:53:43,202 --> 00:53:46,002
character. And that is thrilling for me as someone

1155
00:53:46,058 --> 00:53:48,912
who really loves the Spider man universe. Okay.

1156
00:53:49,008 --> 00:53:51,084
Okay, we're gonna keep it that way.

1157
00:53:53,554 --> 00:53:56,298
>> Will: yeah, so. So folks telling you now,

1158
00:53:56,386 --> 00:53:59,386
don't spoil it for Sarah. So if you hear this, you know, if

1159
00:53:59,410 --> 00:54:02,346
you. You don't put on our socials, don't put it

1160
00:54:02,370 --> 00:54:05,226
on our YouTube, don't put any comments on

1161
00:54:05,250 --> 00:54:08,042
our Spotify. Just let it. Let it ride

1162
00:54:08,138 --> 00:54:10,904
and let Sarah discover the who. Who.

1163
00:54:10,904 --> 00:54:13,066
M. What will happen. Learn about

1164
00:54:13,090 --> 00:54:13,934
Lonnie

1165
00:54:15,884 --> 00:54:17,076
and Lonnie's path.

1166
00:54:17,140 --> 00:54:19,904
>> Sarah : So I Think a bit harsh on them,

1167
00:54:20,204 --> 00:54:20,708
but.

1168
00:54:20,796 --> 00:54:23,508
>> Will: Yeah, no, I'm fine. You know. Yeah, I

1169
00:54:23,516 --> 00:54:26,308
don't. I'm trying to save you, my friend. I'm trying. I'm trying to

1170
00:54:26,476 --> 00:54:29,428
let you. Let you. Let you enjoy all 10 episodes as, you

1171
00:54:29,436 --> 00:54:30,916
know, as it comes to you.

1172
00:54:31,020 --> 00:54:31,300
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1173
00:54:31,332 --> 00:54:34,166
>> Will: But, yeah, speaking of. Speaking of, you know, with this, you

1174
00:54:34,190 --> 00:54:37,046
know, story too, it's just like, you know, with Big Donovan and.

1175
00:54:37,070 --> 00:54:39,916
And also how he's using Lonnie, with the, With

1176
00:54:39,940 --> 00:54:42,846
the Scorpions. you know, it really was like

1177
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:45,870
the. The whole point of when Lonnie,

1178
00:54:45,902 --> 00:54:48,766
you know, was basically traded himself for

1179
00:54:48,790 --> 00:54:51,598
his. For his brother. but also, like when he

1180
00:54:51,606 --> 00:54:54,142
became the runner and, you know, he basically, you know, sent

1181
00:54:54,198 --> 00:54:57,182
Lonnie to the other. To the other territory, so,

1182
00:54:57,318 --> 00:55:00,094
you know, to basically lock him in so that

1183
00:55:00,134 --> 00:55:02,804
he, you know, is. He's. He.

1184
00:55:02,974 --> 00:55:05,944
Big. Big Donovan owns them now, you know, and. And,

1185
00:55:05,984 --> 00:55:08,616
you know, and used. You know, he's like, you

1186
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,640
know, and we see the empty impacts

1187
00:55:11,672 --> 00:55:14,616
of that with. With. With. With Lonnie, as far as, you

1188
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,380
know, now he's like, He's starting to interfere with his studies, and

1189
00:55:17,468 --> 00:55:20,388
they know he's this, you know, the superstar jock and all that kind of,

1190
00:55:20,412 --> 00:55:23,348
you know, all those other things. And the fact that he can't go, you know, even if you try

1191
00:55:23,372 --> 00:55:26,308
to get out of New York, you know, the scorpions are going

1192
00:55:26,332 --> 00:55:29,260
to hunt him down. And also the fact that the scorpions, you

1193
00:55:29,268 --> 00:55:32,188
know, that, you know, Camille Camila was actually the number two. You know,

1194
00:55:32,212 --> 00:55:35,004
there's still another person in the hierarchy

1195
00:55:35,020 --> 00:55:37,836
who's even more dangerous than Camila. So, you know, it

1196
00:55:37,876 --> 00:55:40,734
really. You, know, again, they really are this

1197
00:55:40,774 --> 00:55:43,582
little. Laying the foundations for so many things and so many

1198
00:55:43,638 --> 00:55:46,366
places where this story can go. I

1199
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:48,830
did, you know, I really did like that about the fourth

1200
00:55:48,862 --> 00:55:49,714
episode.

1201
00:55:50,694 --> 00:55:53,034
>> Sarah : Yeah, I. I am

1202
00:55:54,054 --> 00:55:56,686
again, I feel very similar to how

1203
00:55:56,790 --> 00:55:59,582
I felt last week about the first two episodes. This

1204
00:55:59,638 --> 00:56:02,638
show is so, for me, being very consistent,

1205
00:56:02,766 --> 00:56:05,712
and I hope it stays that way. and

1206
00:56:05,848 --> 00:56:08,486
it, I'm not. I'm definitely not overwhelmed

1207
00:56:08,550 --> 00:56:11,206
or nothing has been overly

1208
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:14,006
surprising, yet at the same time, I've yet to be

1209
00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:16,902
disappointed. And there is a. They.

1210
00:56:16,958 --> 00:56:18,954
They still have maintained

1211
00:56:19,534 --> 00:56:22,358
whatever it is, and I don't know what it is exactly

1212
00:56:22,406 --> 00:56:25,392
Will, but they've still maintained the

1213
00:56:25,448 --> 00:56:27,204
charm of spice.

1214
00:56:27,544 --> 00:56:30,176
>> Will: Yes. Yeah, the

1215
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,200
charm. Yeah. I was thinking, like, in episode three with the jokes,

1216
00:56:33,232 --> 00:56:36,152
when he was like with, With Speed Demon and Tarantula

1217
00:56:36,168 --> 00:56:39,080
and, you know, it was the charm, the jokes,

1218
00:56:39,112 --> 00:56:42,056
the. Yeah, I Think that's the thing that's. To

1219
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,936
your point about it being consistent? Because I also thought

1220
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,464
about like the, the old Spider man show from the

1221
00:56:47,504 --> 00:56:50,024
90s, as well, that had that, that, that,

1222
00:56:50,444 --> 00:56:53,044
that charm that, that, that Peter just

1223
00:56:53,084 --> 00:56:55,796
oozes and, and I think that's what makes this show very

1224
00:56:55,820 --> 00:56:58,104
engaging for me. Yeah,

1225
00:56:59,614 --> 00:57:00,982
and entertaining.

1226
00:57:01,158 --> 00:57:03,990
>> Sarah : Yeah, engaging, entertained. Being

1227
00:57:04,142 --> 00:57:07,126
entertaining. And just, I mean, we said it

1228
00:57:07,150 --> 00:57:10,006
before, but just the overall, like, what are you going to

1229
00:57:10,030 --> 00:57:12,714
do different? Because Ben's already dead.

1230
00:57:13,054 --> 00:57:14,358
>> Will: Yeah, exactly.

1231
00:57:14,406 --> 00:57:15,954
>> Sarah : Talk about a Nexus event.

1232
00:57:18,344 --> 00:57:21,312
So, so, so, and,

1233
00:57:21,368 --> 00:57:24,014
and, and also we, The last time this has

1234
00:57:24,054 --> 00:57:26,926
happened where we introduced to a Peter Parker where Ben had

1235
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:29,358
already died. Well,

1236
00:57:29,446 --> 00:57:32,398
well, somebody else had to go. So I

1237
00:57:32,406 --> 00:57:35,246
don't know if it's going to be the same character this time around or if

1238
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:38,174
it's going to be a different one. So. Yeah, you better watch

1239
00:57:38,214 --> 00:57:38,798
out.

1240
00:57:38,966 --> 00:57:41,936
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, but, yeah, yeah, but

1241
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,946
I, that's the other thing. Yeah. Speaking of Ben, I

1242
00:57:44,970 --> 00:57:47,970
did, you know, with, with Ben and, and Peter and May,

1243
00:57:48,042 --> 00:57:50,646
with, seeing Ben, how the camera, and the

1244
00:57:50,670 --> 00:57:53,456
bills, you know, so all the things that we, you know, that

1245
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,128
we're familiar with, with this, with, with the Spider

1246
00:57:56,176 --> 00:57:59,138
man mythos, you know, there, we're seeing

1247
00:57:59,186 --> 00:58:01,714
those put out there in the, in this

1248
00:58:01,754 --> 00:58:04,488
series. whether it's just a visual cue or,

1249
00:58:04,616 --> 00:58:07,528
you know, or a prop like, you know, we've seen the camera that, you

1250
00:58:07,536 --> 00:58:10,312
know, eventually it'll be, you know, so we'll see Jay

1251
00:58:10,328 --> 00:58:13,064
Jonah Jameson down the line. So, you know, so again, I just

1252
00:58:13,104 --> 00:58:15,624
really. Yeah, you know, they're taking a very

1253
00:58:15,664 --> 00:58:18,600
familiar story, but adding their own, adding their own flavor

1254
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to it.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. and not, not

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going to extreme either. and so

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it's, They're. They're walking a fine line and they're doing it

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well. and next week we will have

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double the episodes. No, we'll have three

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episodes to talk about.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : as we. As Daredevil Born again, we'll get,

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back to one episode a week before it

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finishes. So, stay tuned for that. And

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on that note, Will, why don't you tell our listeners where they can find

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you.

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>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at, Will

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and M. Polk W I L L M M P

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O L K. And you can.

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>> Sarah : Find me there too at SJ Belmont, S J B L M O

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