Dragons & Supes: House of the Dragon S2 E1 and The Boys S4 E1-2 Reviews!

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>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is Scene N NNerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont

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And with me, as always, is our mister producer, Will Polk. How are you doing

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tonight, will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How you doing this evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm doing good. I'm pretty sure that

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was our shortest pre

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show talk ever.

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>> Will: I think it was.

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>> Sarah : And it's mainly, and I'm just gonna

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bust your chops, but it's mainly because

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I just, like, brought you up to speed on how my

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day was going, and then I was just like, well, you

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want to get started?

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Yeah. Yeah. Because I can

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just tell that you really want to talk about the

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boys and House of Dragon tonight. So

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this should be entertaining.

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>> Will: It should be entertaining. Yeah. Yes, we are. We

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got dragons and suits.

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>> Sarah : The second Game of Thrones spinoff is Knight of seven

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Kingdoms. Has started filming in Ireland.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So, this is. I know there was,

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like another spinoff. I think that the other show, but I think one of them was

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canceled, but this one continues. And, did

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start. And the full, logline for the

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series is. A century before the events of Game of

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Thrones. Two unlikely heroes

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wander Westeros. A young, naive,

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but courageous knight, Ser Duncan the Tall and his

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diminutive squire egg set an

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age when the Targaryen line still holds the Iron

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Throne, and the memory of the last dragon has not yet passed from

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living memory. Great destinies, powerful foes, and dangerous

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exploits all await these

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improbable and incomparable friends.

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So that's what the show. That's what the,

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show was apparently about. I guess it's 100 years after House of

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the dragon, but Game of Thrones

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proper, so didn't see when this show is

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anticipated, but I would assume sometime in probably

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2025 or 26, if they're filming now.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

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We'll see. We'll see what

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happens. I always get concerned by too many

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spinoffs and this Game of Thrones. For the past

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few years, there has been so many announcements about

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spinoffs, and so far we've only gotten House of dragons.

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So now we're likely to get this one. And

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we'll just see. Because you can only do so much with

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the source material. Yeah, yeah,

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you can. Like, I don't know, it'll.

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It'll be interesting. and. And, I mean,

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why not just dive.

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Dive back into Westeros and start off with

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House of Dragon? season two, episode one,

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sun for a son. Prince

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Jace goes to the wall and attempts to get the

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Lord Cregan Stark to uphold their

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oath and lends troops to their blood war.

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I think that might have been the tagline, but that doesn't

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sound like the tagline. So apologize.

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But, yeah, we start this episode in

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Westeros or not in Westeros, in,

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Winterfell.

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>> Will: We do. Yeah, yeah. And for me as a. You know, I

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did not watch Game of Thrones for, our folks

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who may remember our discussions of House of the dragon. Or if you're

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joining us for the first time, I'm, the newbie

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here to the. To the Game of

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Thrones universe. But I

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have to say, I do like this. I mean, I know enough about

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the series, that about the Starks

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and Winterfell. And it was,

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I liked actually, the way that they started the

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second season. Not picking up immediately from the

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events that happened at the end of season one, but,

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really sort of starting to

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expand the universe a little bit,

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to some of the other families because really season one just focused so much

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on the Targaryens that, we're now

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seeing as we get closer to the dance

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of the dragons, other people getting

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engaged in the story. So

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I was actually. I liked the exposition there. It was very,

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very helpful. And, really enjoyed how things started

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out.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah.

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It was good to see old

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Winterfell. So I guess.

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What did you overall think of this episode?

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>> Will: Overall? I thought it was a solid return.

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It was, reorient. Everybody back to where

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things are. We didn't have any crazy time jumps. We had enough of that in

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season one. It seems like things. This is maybe

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about a week or ten days after what happened

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with Luke and Amund

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and with vegar

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chopping to killing the poor kid and

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everything happening there. but also,

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of course, and through fashion

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we What is it about

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first episodes where you have a what the fuck moment?

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Because I thought as. As things were going down at

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the end of this episode, I couldn't help but also think back to

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see the season premiere of. Of this

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series with Viserys, his first wife, and And

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the events that happened there as far as like, oh, my

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God moment. But But yeah, I really. I really

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enjoyed this and it's just great to be back in this. In

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this world. I. As you can

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tell, I really did miss it. And. Excited to be

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back.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, definitely. That

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brings up what I was going to talk about

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before is I didn't get a clear

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sense of how much time had passed because I feel like

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Jace grew up in like.

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So I don't I don't feel like that.

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I feel like it probably is the same actor

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and it's literally taken us two years,

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or like, from even the time when they shot season one. Like,

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that kid grew up. And so I'm processing in my

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head, I'm like, so, like, how long

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has passed because this kid grew, these

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people did not.

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I don't know how tiny,

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Aon's kids were.

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But I just. I don't

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know, I just feel like,

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Because the actor who plays

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Jace had a significant growth

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spurt.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. It kind of worked against.

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For me as a viewer, I was like, throughout the whole

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episode, I'm like, It was just. Was in the back of my mind, I'm like,

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but, like, how much time is that,

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seriously, can we understand here? Like,

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I know time. I don't think it was a week.

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It doesn't feel like it would be a week. I mean,

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yes, he has a dragon, so he would be able to

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get there, but Winterfell

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is a, ways away. Like, anybody who

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watches Game of Thrones knows that there's a

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distance. And, I mean, for some characters,

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it takes a full season to get from

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Winterfell to King's Landing and then

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some. So I just. Even.

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A carrier pigeon. And

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how that was all even sorted out.

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So I'll give him like a few months.

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>> Will: Well, Maybe. Well, I think to your point there, I

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think when we had the events at the end

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of. Whenever they did send

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Jace and Lucaris

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out, I mean, to

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the south, because I think they said they sent Lucaris to the south and

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Jace, obviously the north. So I think maybe.

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So maybe that will account for the timing thing that

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you're talking about here. Before the events that

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happened with a man and, Lucaris,

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whenever he was, Whenever he was killed.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm sure that will take

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some. Make up some of that time difference

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as well. But, yeah, I don't know. It's been

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two years since we've had this show, so it just was.

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That was. That was definitely on.

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On my mind. So I guess the best way

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to divide this episode moving forward is to

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first talk about team Green with Allison in

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charge.

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give me some of your thoughts about team Green

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and the inner dynamics that we see,

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during their first small council meeting

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and some pairings that are happening.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So this

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episode really reminds me of why I'm team

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black. as far as

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why Aegon is even king. I mean, he's so

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feckless and seeing

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Otto trying his best to, like,

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you know, keep this kid under his. Under his thumb. As far

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as, like whenever they were there in the throne

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room and all the small folk

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were petitioning the crown for

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various things and auto flexing

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his powers as the hand, basically the shadow

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king and trying to

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basically, of course, I get where he was coming from

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as far as, from a tactical standpoint, because they do

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need these resources and because they are prepping

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for war, but at, the same time,

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it's just a constant reminder

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for how aemond,

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but for his

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impulsive qualities and

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stuff, will probably be a better king

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for wartime than aegon ever will

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be. So, So there was that

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piece, of course, there's the whole, the whole Kristen,

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cole of it all in Alicent. Alicent's

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been. She's, ah, well,

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I'll put it this way, Chris. Nicole just needs to get over it. I

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mean, already, he's, He is.

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He's holding the grudge for a long

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time.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Which makes him the ultimate villain of

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this entire series and super annoying

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because he, like, it

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was such a brief thing between him

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and Rhaenyra and the beginning of the

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first season, and then from that point

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forward, all of the decisions he made,

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like, he. Yeah,

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Hightower was. Otto was behind the

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overall plot and

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moving the pieces in ways,

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but because of

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this man's broken heart

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that he still is not over.

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Like, it just is.

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It's the hypocrisy of it all. Yeah,

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because both of them,

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and they do a good job with Allison because

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while you simultaneously, like, she's on the wrong

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team, she has been for a very

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long time. You understand why she's on that

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team. So you can't fault her. You do

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understand how her father moved her

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and put her in these situations

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and both got her into a position of

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power, but also at a very high

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price. So you understand all of that. But

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she also has some lines of hypocrisy,

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especially with Sir Christian, that you're just

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like, girl, wake the fuck up.

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like, also, you need to get over your girl

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crush because your son killed her

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son. And, ah, also, why are you bringing up the fact

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that your son lost his eye and no one was

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punished? Again, your son killed another

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person's son. So.

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Yeah, like, it's, it's

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so. But at, the end of the day, you also,

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because the actresses who played

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young Alicent and Renera did such a good

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job that

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you still can't fully hate

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Alicent. You cannot like her choices,

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but you can't hate her because you

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also see her subtlety in

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trying to

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make, like, what she would hope

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happen occur. but

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that's because of everyone around her

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and their motivations. That's never gonna happen.

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so it's like,

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that just allows me as a viewer to focus all of

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my pure hatred on really,

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Otto and Christian, because

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Christian is just so fucking annoying. He doesn't even have any

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power. He's not even that bright.

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>> Will: Nope. Exactly. Exactly.

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>> Sarah : He's just a walking dick.

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>> Will: Literally.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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>> Will: yeah, but I'm glad you.

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I think I want to say the show

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is trying to,

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well, when we get to the blacks, we'll

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get, we'll, we'll talk about this a little bit more. But

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I think it's, from what I understand, I think

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the book that this series is based off of

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was told by an, unreliable

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narrator and really painted

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things in the light

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most favorable to team green to the greens.

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to your point about some of Alicent's choices,

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especially hearing what she wanted to hear that

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night when Viserys died versus what really was

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intended, was, you

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know, we're starting to see some

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of that choice that she

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made unravel for her because

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as she noted to her father in this episode,

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whenever they were sitting around the small table, the small

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council, they were

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undermining her and she into the place

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where she really, you know, to the point where

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she's like, look, if y'all keep undermining me like this,

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my sons are not going to listen to me.

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people like with, like, coal has no

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power and Allison's, Alison's

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influence and over things is starting to

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diminish as well because Otto is flexing

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even more over Aegon

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and at the table.

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>> Sarah : Well, Otto's not going to have that power for long.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : you have Laris and lurking in the background,

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moving, maneuvering positions because,

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because Otto had that power because

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of viserys. And so he was able

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to do that. But Aegon is not

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Visteris. And, like,

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and it was proven in this episode

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how much he is like his father.

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And, yeah, of course,

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of course. It's. I guess I

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don't really understand what your point was about

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unreliable narrator. But I do

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agree that they did a

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good job of showing now that the

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husband's dead, the queen had

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power for all of five minutes

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because now, now that the king has

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passed, it goes to

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the heir and that is

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not the queen.

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So she can only wield power

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so long as the king listens to her. And

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arguably, that's with any of the people on the small

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council, so.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And my point about that

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was, I think the

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book was really. It was more painting

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than blacks as the folks in the wrong

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here. Oh.

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>> Sarah : well, I mean,

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I think the writers, the screenwriters,

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definitely were team black,

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because I have Scene so many people talk about this

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show, and I have yet to find anybody who is not

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team black. Like, arguably,

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but I still. Despite being on

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team black, everyone still seems to

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be like, but

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Allison is not the villain,

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necessarily, because

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they've done a good job of crafting her

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view, letting the audience

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know why she made these choices

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or how these events occurred.

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And she only had so much power, so.

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And so they're doing a very good job

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of that, especially with female characters.

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I, mean, the smartest person on

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Team Green is a female, and her name is

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Helena, who. I don't know if how

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many people forgot about this, but it occurred to me about three

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fourths of the way through the episode. Helena

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is still their little sister.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So I've heard about all the shipping

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happening. Like, there's a. There's a

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helamand, or, I don't know, between

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Aegon and his sister, and I'm

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just like, yeah, you

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know, you're talking Game of Thrones when you're talking about incest,

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and you're actively rooting for

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it. Don't.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : But actually, the actors got ahold of that, and they

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started discussing if they should actually play into

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that with some of the scenes. So everyone be on the

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lookout. because maybe those weren't,

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Or are not, Aegon's actual

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children. We don't know.

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>> Will: You don't know.

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>> Sarah : They're definitely a brothers. Yeah, they're

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definitely right, dear.

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>> Will: I'm just waiting for Aegon's kids to show up from the brothels.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, seriously. And,

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I made note of that line

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right when she said it early on in the episode

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about being afraid of the rats. But

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again, the writers know what they're doing in terms

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of pacing because they

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insert that line with far enough

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distance from the ending

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so that you. You forget about it.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And then there's one little hint

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where the. The people who are hired,

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the assassins that come into the castle,

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they decide to, play

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into that, and, like, oh, these are for the rats. These

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traps are for the rats. And then you're reminded

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of it, but again, still, it's such a

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subtle hint that it still doesn't even click

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until you see Helena. And

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bravo to that actress. Like, what a

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line delivery. They killed the boy.

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and it just made me think back to season one. I have

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not rewatched season one, I don't

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think, ever. but there was an

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episode, I think it was. They were mourning

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someone. I think the. Damon's, first

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wife's death. And she was talking about

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spiders. Obsessed with spiders.

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She was, So I'm

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arguably, out of all the characters,

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I'm most curious about what's going to happen to

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Helena right now. Very

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curious.

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and I like how

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you see that the brothers don't

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really understand

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what. Why what they

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did is leading to a war,

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but. But which

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going. Going into that final sequence. And yes, we'll

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talk about team black, but I do want to hit this while we're on team

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green. I was like,

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they're not going to. We're not going to end the m. First

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episode of season two by

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killing Aegon. Like,

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or, yeah, it's a God, right?

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>> Will: Amen.

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>> Sarah : Amen. We're not going to end the first 1st

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episode that way. There's no way in hell. So when they couldn't find

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him, I was like, yeah, so now what? Not a. Not

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a. I had no thought until I saw

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Helena. Like, oh,

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oh, they're gonna. Oh, okay.

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But. But again, you

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saw, So it's a gone

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and what's the other one's name?

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>> Will: So there was this farce and

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Aegon.

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>> Sarah : Who'S on the throne?

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>> Will: Who's on the throne? Aegon II is on the throne.

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>> Sarah : Okay.

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>> Will: Amon, the anagram of Daemon.

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>> Sarah : Right, right.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So, Aegon, you saw early on in the

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episode, again, right, during the scene of the, with

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the rats wanting to spend time with his

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son. Like. And there was,

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like, yeah, he's not the best

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husband in the world, but he seems to be actually

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a pretty decent father who. Who really

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liked his son and would play with him.

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And it reminded me of some scenes with

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visceras that we saw last season. So.

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And then flash forward,

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and we get the scene at

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the end, and she ends up telling them, which

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one is the sun, the hare?

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And you're just like,

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well, he didn't get it. If he didn't get

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it now,

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he's definitely going to get it now

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he's definitely going to understand. And,

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boy, he. He might. He might

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turn Joffrey or might. Might turn

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away from. He might lean more

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into Hightower esque,

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conniving, revenge

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seeking, than what we saw in

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this episode, which I felt like he was very much his

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father's son.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I

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mean, that this. This will

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definitely light

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the fire in him to

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do, whatever is necessary to,

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get vengeance on his

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son's, death, for sure.

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>> Sarah : And it's the perfect definition

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representation of what revenge is and why it's

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such a fool's game. It's because it's like

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tit for tat. Tit for tat.

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>> Will: Exactly. I mean. Yeah, because, I mean, that was. You know, that's.

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Yeah, because, you know, a man's

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error, you know, and wanting to be

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better than his uncle. As far as daemon, being

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the best fighter, et cetera, in the land, you know,

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basically set up all this. This

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whole nonsense in motion as far as, like, whenever

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he, you know, lost control of Agar and killing

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Luke and. And then, you know, so

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there we have the whole eye for, you know. Well, it goes back to the

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eye for an eye, but also now son for a son. And,

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you know, but it's just a comedy of errors that, like.

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And bluster is going to cause so

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much tragedy and pain in westeros.

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>> Sarah : Right, right. And

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to your point about why this is such a team

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black written perspective on this

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story, it goes all the way back to the

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eye. Like, if they had not,

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they could have written that scene so

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that Jace and Luke were the

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villains. But we saw that scene and

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it was like, no, they were on the defense.

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So, yeah, Eamon lost his eye, but that

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was literally a defensive move there.

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So. So any sympathy

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that could have been. And they started to. I

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mean, very early on, Eamon didn't have a

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dragon. He was made fun of his cousins,

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his. His. Whatever you want to call them,

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how our uncles made fun of him, and he was

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picked on, and then he grew up, and he

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became the

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biggest force of power,

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that they've Scene since Daemon. So,

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we're going to get that duel in the future,

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but because now

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Damon is behind

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killing,

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Aegon's son and

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Ayman's nephew

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in pretty much cold blood, so

520
00:24:22.080 --> 00:24:24.936
pretty bad way. And

521
00:24:24.968 --> 00:24:26.620
that brings us to team black.

522
00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:29.940
So what are your thoughts about team black?

523
00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:34.020
>> Will: Well, whenever we first get the first

524
00:24:34.520 --> 00:24:37.204
visit with team black, we see, Renice

525
00:24:37.342 --> 00:24:39.904
and, you know, she's coming back

526
00:24:39.952 --> 00:24:42.868
from, being on patrol. And of course, speaking of

527
00:24:42.884 --> 00:24:45.820
Damon, he. You know, he. Damon's flexing again as far

528
00:24:45.860 --> 00:24:48.716
as, like, you know, wanting to get out

529
00:24:48.748 --> 00:24:51.288
there and let's take out. Take out the, take out

530
00:24:51.304 --> 00:24:53.702
veigar. And, she's like, no, look, man, I'm

531
00:24:53.726 --> 00:24:56.550
tired. And I love how that scene played

532
00:24:56.590 --> 00:24:59.382
out because, again, she, like, flexes

533
00:24:59.446 --> 00:25:02.230
how much of a badass

534
00:25:02.270 --> 00:25:05.022
she is, especially when she has no

535
00:25:05.046 --> 00:25:07.930
fucks to give, because whenever Damon was, like,

536
00:25:08.310 --> 00:25:10.982
you know, trying to order her around, it's just like, oh,

537
00:25:11.086 --> 00:25:13.278
what would you. If. You know, basically, like, if

538
00:25:13.294 --> 00:25:15.958
you're. If you were king, you know,

539
00:25:16.014 --> 00:25:18.686
basically like, get out of my face, Matt. Get out of my face.

540
00:25:18.758 --> 00:25:21.742
But, but again, but also in that same. Same scene, we

541
00:25:21.766 --> 00:25:24.686
do get the situation. You know, we do get the emails. Like, look, you know, you

542
00:25:24.718 --> 00:25:27.576
had, like, you had the opportunity to. To, like, end all

543
00:25:27.608 --> 00:25:30.496
this and you didn't. So, you know, so it was, it

544
00:25:30.528 --> 00:25:33.488
was. It reminded me right out

545
00:25:33.504 --> 00:25:35.660
the gate, like, all the.

546
00:25:36.520 --> 00:25:39.032
All the dynamics of these characters as far as

547
00:25:39.056 --> 00:25:41.820
why this show just crackles when you watch it.

548
00:25:42.520 --> 00:25:45.384
>> Sarah : Well, yeah. Especially since she's

549
00:25:45.512 --> 00:25:47.720
his former mother in law.

550
00:25:47.840 --> 00:25:49.136
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

551
00:25:49.328 --> 00:25:52.216
>> Sarah : And grandma to his two daughters. So it's

552
00:25:52.248 --> 00:25:54.632
like the. The incest

553
00:25:54.736 --> 00:25:56.940
breeds more complications.

554
00:25:58.950 --> 00:26:01.534
>> Will: Yeah. I mean, I swear, I feel like we need,

555
00:26:01.582 --> 00:26:04.550
like, I need, like, a chart

556
00:26:04.590 --> 00:26:07.590
when I'm, like, sitting here talking with this show about you to keep track

557
00:26:07.630 --> 00:26:10.054
of, like, oh, who's. Whose kids,

558
00:26:10.102 --> 00:26:10.878
who's.

559
00:26:11.054 --> 00:26:13.710
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. That's why, like, I

560
00:26:13.830 --> 00:26:16.822
love the Starks. I love that we

561
00:26:16.846 --> 00:26:19.622
saw Winterfell specifically. We also saw the

562
00:26:19.646 --> 00:26:22.414
wall, all of that. Very important. But

563
00:26:22.462 --> 00:26:25.456
then I'm like, crap, crap.

564
00:26:25.608 --> 00:26:27.940
How many names are we gonna have to learn?

565
00:26:29.280 --> 00:26:32.152
Like. Like, last names are fine.

566
00:26:32.336 --> 00:26:35.216
I heard the tully. I heard the greyjoy. I hear

567
00:26:35.248 --> 00:26:38.160
the baratheon. I know Lannister's in the

568
00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:40.992
house, king of coin, but all of that.

569
00:26:41.136 --> 00:26:44.048
But again, like, it's not the last names, it's the first

570
00:26:44.104 --> 00:26:46.838
names. And then if you look at, because

571
00:26:46.894 --> 00:26:49.290
I've now Scene, unfortunately,

572
00:26:50.360 --> 00:26:53.088
some family trees, if you

573
00:26:53.104 --> 00:26:55.952
will, and, they also do this

574
00:26:55.976 --> 00:26:58.448
lovely thing, oh, two

575
00:26:58.504 --> 00:27:01.104
generations later. Now you're this

576
00:27:01.152 --> 00:27:02.620
person. The third.

577
00:27:03.760 --> 00:27:06.456
Great, because that's not more

578
00:27:06.488 --> 00:27:09.352
confusing. Maybe if you didn't do that, we

579
00:27:09.376 --> 00:27:11.900
wouldn't be in this situation at all. You know,

580
00:27:12.520 --> 00:27:13.380
whatever,

581
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:17.816
whatever. Aegon ii. Well, he could

582
00:27:17.848 --> 00:27:19.780
have been agon 1.5.

583
00:27:21.230 --> 00:27:23.636
That would have helped. yeah.

584
00:27:23.708 --> 00:27:25.560
And I.

585
00:27:26.300 --> 00:27:29.000
Another very unexpecting thing.

586
00:27:29.500 --> 00:27:31.760
Well, two things is,

587
00:27:32.820 --> 00:27:35.420
we don't see Renera until

588
00:27:35.540 --> 00:27:38.356
26 minutes into the episode, and then we

589
00:27:38.388 --> 00:27:40.596
don't even hear her until

590
00:27:40.788 --> 00:27:43.108
maybe 36 minutes into the

591
00:27:43.124 --> 00:27:43.852
episode.

592
00:27:43.996 --> 00:27:44.540
>> Will: Right.

593
00:27:44.660 --> 00:27:47.170
>> Sarah : And she has one line, and

594
00:27:48.190 --> 00:27:50.838
she wants aemon targaryen that is her

595
00:27:50.894 --> 00:27:53.654
single line, and yet she

596
00:27:53.702 --> 00:27:56.390
has maybe three scenes.

597
00:27:56.510 --> 00:27:59.190
A lot of emotion. And it's

598
00:27:59.230 --> 00:28:01.646
very different from their use

599
00:28:01.718 --> 00:28:04.550
of Alicent, where we get a lot of

600
00:28:04.590 --> 00:28:07.198
Alicent and we get a lot of

601
00:28:07.374 --> 00:28:10.050
the dynamics on Team Green,

602
00:28:10.990 --> 00:28:13.660
which it's also, if you look at this

603
00:28:13.700 --> 00:28:15.716
episode, it's pretty. A pretty

604
00:28:15.788 --> 00:28:18.652
dominantly team green,

605
00:28:18.836 --> 00:28:21.540
because there's a. I feel like there is a

606
00:28:21.580 --> 00:28:24.276
lot more maneuvering

607
00:28:24.348 --> 00:28:27.316
happening politically there. Team

608
00:28:27.388 --> 00:28:30.228
black, they've had their cause

609
00:28:30.284 --> 00:28:33.156
since the first season finale.

610
00:28:33.308 --> 00:28:36.292
We know, so they're in grief, while at

611
00:28:36.316 --> 00:28:37.440
the same time

612
00:28:39.100 --> 00:28:41.268
we see the ships, we see,

613
00:28:41.226 --> 00:28:44.182
Carlos, and we start to

614
00:28:44.206 --> 00:28:46.934
understand about some other things that are happening

615
00:28:47.062 --> 00:28:49.820
beyond, dragonstone. So

616
00:28:50.560 --> 00:28:53.368
while at the same time, there's

617
00:28:53.424 --> 00:28:55.112
not as much political

618
00:28:55.296 --> 00:28:58.232
activeness happening. So we'll see

619
00:28:58.256 --> 00:29:01.200
if that changes come episode two, if there's

620
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:03.380
more focus on Team black or not.

621
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:05.700
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I know.

622
00:29:06.700 --> 00:29:09.452
Speaking of Renera, I mean, I think for me,

623
00:29:09.596 --> 00:29:12.036
you're the. It was

624
00:29:12.148 --> 00:29:14.644
her searching for Luke

625
00:29:14.812 --> 00:29:17.732
and, you know, of course, coming upon the beach and, you know,

626
00:29:17.756 --> 00:29:19.760
finding the dragon wing and,

627
00:29:20.710 --> 00:29:23.238
really the whole funeral scene

628
00:29:23.294 --> 00:29:25.806
whenever she and,

629
00:29:25.800 --> 00:29:28.732
Jace and I guess the other.

630
00:29:29.032 --> 00:29:31.522
I can't remember the third little son, what's his

631
00:29:31.562 --> 00:29:32.848
name? But,

632
00:29:32.798 --> 00:29:35.094
>> Sarah : Joffrey. It's

633
00:29:35.118 --> 00:29:36.030
Joffrey.

634
00:29:36.166 --> 00:29:39.074
>> Will: Okay. John. That's right. Joffrey. Yeah, I forgot his. Yeah. but

635
00:29:39.098 --> 00:29:42.050
yeah, you know, this is the pain that they. Whenever

636
00:29:42.146 --> 00:29:45.082
they. They finally do meet up because, you know, Jace

637
00:29:45.122 --> 00:29:47.898
learns up in Winterfell whenever he gets the

638
00:29:47.930 --> 00:29:50.914
message about what has happened and. And when

639
00:29:50.938 --> 00:29:53.540
they all reunite. just, ah, the pain

640
00:29:53.636 --> 00:29:56.392
that. That this was. That the

641
00:29:56.512 --> 00:29:59.224
family was dealing with here, that was really

642
00:29:59.368 --> 00:30:01.932
like you said. I mean, it just really reinforces,

643
00:30:02.902 --> 00:30:05.774
We really didn't need to. I think they did

644
00:30:05.798 --> 00:30:08.510
the appropriate amount of time with the target

645
00:30:08.566 --> 00:30:11.318
area with team black in this episode

646
00:30:11.430 --> 00:30:14.390
to just really remind everyone

647
00:30:14.486 --> 00:30:17.422
as far as what this family is dealing with right now

648
00:30:17.502 --> 00:30:20.442
and the loss that has occurred.

649
00:30:20.792 --> 00:30:23.784
>> Sarah : Right, right. You needed this shadow of it,

650
00:30:23.928 --> 00:30:26.488
but you already knew

651
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.544
what state team Black was going to be in

652
00:30:29.648 --> 00:30:31.792
heading into this episode. You knew

653
00:30:31.872 --> 00:30:34.492
Damon would want to fix everything,

654
00:30:35.032 --> 00:30:37.568
and Renera would be a

655
00:30:37.600 --> 00:30:40.264
mother mourning her child's

656
00:30:40.368 --> 00:30:42.892
like another child's loss.

657
00:30:43.478 --> 00:30:46.344
but the real intrigue would be, well, what's

658
00:30:46.368 --> 00:30:49.360
going on with team Green and Westeros

659
00:30:49.456 --> 00:30:52.448
and how they just

660
00:30:52.520 --> 00:30:54.652
also arguably have more players.

661
00:30:55.832 --> 00:30:58.802
So at this point. and

662
00:30:59.142 --> 00:31:01.962
somebody tweeted something last night that I saw,

663
00:31:02.302 --> 00:31:05.102
and I'm very curious if this happens

664
00:31:05.142 --> 00:31:08.070
this season is they had a picture

665
00:31:08.166 --> 00:31:10.272
of, young Allison and young

666
00:31:10.312 --> 00:31:12.950
Renera. Because that was season one.

667
00:31:13.046 --> 00:31:15.678
Right. And then next to it, they're like,

668
00:31:15.790 --> 00:31:18.390
season two, and they had a picture of

669
00:31:18.446 --> 00:31:20.282
aemond and aegon.

670
00:31:21.582 --> 00:31:24.518
and, like, that'll be interesting

671
00:31:24.590 --> 00:31:27.382
if it goes from these quasi

672
00:31:27.462 --> 00:31:29.838
sisters and the story about them

673
00:31:29.990 --> 00:31:32.602
to this. This brotherhood.

674
00:31:32.848 --> 00:31:35.448
that. That parallels so much

675
00:31:35.520 --> 00:31:37.932
of what

676
00:31:38.052 --> 00:31:40.548
glimpses we saw of the dynamic between

677
00:31:40.620 --> 00:31:43.188
viserys and daemon in season

678
00:31:43.260 --> 00:31:46.244
one. So that'll be

679
00:31:46.268 --> 00:31:49.164
interesting. I know they're the bad guys, and I'm not changing teams or

680
00:31:49.188 --> 00:31:51.964
anything, but it is

681
00:31:52.028 --> 00:31:54.796
a perspective that, if

682
00:31:54.844 --> 00:31:56.192
done correctly,

683
00:31:57.612 --> 00:32:00.072
could allow for

684
00:32:00.372 --> 00:32:02.716
more love to be given to them and

685
00:32:02.764 --> 00:32:05.724
understanding while at the same time being like, yeah, but you

686
00:32:05.748 --> 00:32:08.610
still killed this person, and

687
00:32:08.786 --> 00:32:11.706
you lost your eye because he kind of deserved it.

688
00:32:11.754 --> 00:32:12.662
I'm sorry.

689
00:32:14.602 --> 00:32:17.554
Sorry. And also, somebody

690
00:32:17.618 --> 00:32:20.578
on team green, just kill Christian, and you'll have my

691
00:32:20.610 --> 00:32:23.194
allegiance. Okay. Yeah, kill Christian. My

692
00:32:23.218 --> 00:32:24.586
allegiance is yours.

693
00:32:24.754 --> 00:32:27.458
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the other thing, too. I know. We didn't. I know.

694
00:32:27.490 --> 00:32:30.226
With, with Atlanta, we didn't. You know, what.

695
00:32:30.322 --> 00:32:33.178
What's going to be the fallout now of her because

696
00:32:33.218 --> 00:32:34.258
she barged in?

697
00:32:34.378 --> 00:32:35.386
>> Sarah : We already knew.

698
00:32:35.522 --> 00:32:38.106
>> Will: I mean, everybody knew. I mean, Laris knew.

699
00:32:38.282 --> 00:32:41.234
>> Sarah : I don't think, like, there's. Helena

700
00:32:41.306 --> 00:32:43.658
knew rats and spiders.

701
00:32:43.778 --> 00:32:45.478
Okay, Helena,

702
00:32:46.738 --> 00:32:49.438
I don't think it's that secretive.

703
00:32:49.738 --> 00:32:50.706
>> Will: Yeah, no, no.

704
00:32:50.762 --> 00:32:53.402
>> Sarah : But, like, for those who are saying

705
00:32:53.490 --> 00:32:55.794
that Eamon doesn't know,

706
00:32:55.986 --> 00:32:58.674
because there is a conversation if

707
00:32:58.706 --> 00:33:01.416
Eamon didn't know after that conversation where

708
00:33:01.482 --> 00:33:04.220
Christian talks about his mom. Yeah, he knows. He

709
00:33:04.244 --> 00:33:05.580
knows. He knows.

710
00:33:05.684 --> 00:33:08.436
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. That's

711
00:33:08.452 --> 00:33:11.324
true. That's a good point. That's a good point. But one other thing

712
00:33:11.356 --> 00:33:14.194
about, with Allison and Renera,

713
00:33:14.194 --> 00:33:17.026
ah, as far as the grieving, you know,

714
00:33:17.082 --> 00:33:19.642
one of the things that I think they

715
00:33:19.810 --> 00:33:22.698
were trying to, like, paint the greens in a.

716
00:33:22.818 --> 00:33:25.810
In a softer light was, of

717
00:33:25.834 --> 00:33:28.506
course, her, you know, whenever she was lighting the candles.

718
00:33:28.562 --> 00:33:31.450
And. And also still to my point

719
00:33:31.474 --> 00:33:34.104
earlier about how, you know, both Renera

720
00:33:34.176 --> 00:33:36.868
and Alicent were still

721
00:33:37.208 --> 00:33:40.128
trying to resolve this

722
00:33:40.168 --> 00:33:42.688
issue without any

723
00:33:42.728 --> 00:33:45.268
bloodshed as far as the

724
00:33:47.008 --> 00:33:49.868
airship of the crown. But then, of course,

725
00:33:50.528 --> 00:33:53.376
you know, at least there were. At least. At least. At least there was still some.

726
00:33:53.472 --> 00:33:56.400
Some, you know, some good feeling there and that there was still

727
00:33:56.424 --> 00:33:59.312
a chance that things could be fixed. But, of course, now there's, you

728
00:33:59.320 --> 00:34:02.044
know, after what a man Eamon's done and now

729
00:34:02.076 --> 00:34:04.964
what Damon's done, I mean, that's. That's all blown

730
00:34:04.996 --> 00:34:07.684
to hell. But it was just a nice moment, especially when you.

731
00:34:07.836 --> 00:34:09.648
Whenever. Because we had that scene

732
00:34:10.188 --> 00:34:13.044
with their loss and the funeral pyre. But

733
00:34:13.076 --> 00:34:15.474
also Alicent, you know,

734
00:34:15.546 --> 00:34:18.306
recognizing the losses that the

735
00:34:18.322 --> 00:34:19.842
candle scene, the.

736
00:34:19.930 --> 00:34:22.498
>> Sarah : Lighting of the candles, when she even

737
00:34:22.658 --> 00:34:25.080
lit a candle for her dead

738
00:34:25.154 --> 00:34:27.950
mom and. Yeah, but, I

739
00:34:27.982 --> 00:34:30.974
disagree. I don't see as, I know she's

740
00:34:31.006 --> 00:34:33.414
on team green, but she did

741
00:34:33.446 --> 00:34:36.446
that. And I don't know

742
00:34:36.462 --> 00:34:39.142
if that came before or after the conversation

743
00:34:39.270 --> 00:34:42.092
between Christian and, Amen.

744
00:34:42.220 --> 00:34:45.220
But I think that her

745
00:34:45.284 --> 00:34:47.608
choosing to light a candle for Luke

746
00:34:47.908 --> 00:34:50.444
just parallel, like,

747
00:34:50.516 --> 00:34:52.848
supports what Christian says

748
00:34:53.228 --> 00:34:55.742
about how there's still love.

749
00:34:55.860 --> 00:34:58.354
Like, as, despite

750
00:34:58.466 --> 00:35:01.306
everything, there's a tether

751
00:35:01.402 --> 00:35:04.362
she has to rhygnara that can't be

752
00:35:04.410 --> 00:35:06.986
cut for some reason. And

753
00:35:07.122 --> 00:35:10.122
that's when Aemon then responds and says she has a

754
00:35:10.130 --> 00:35:12.778
love for her enemy. That's just foolish. Or she's

755
00:35:12.818 --> 00:35:15.232
stupid, which she kind of is,

756
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:17.912
and arguably, but that's what love

757
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:20.788
is. At the end of the day, love is a stupid thing.

758
00:35:21.968 --> 00:35:24.440
It makes you do like, it makes you very

759
00:35:24.504 --> 00:35:27.360
naive. And, I mean, just talk

760
00:35:27.384 --> 00:35:30.068
to Sir Christian. He can't get over having his heart.

761
00:35:31.848 --> 00:35:34.712
My God. But I still don't necessarily.

762
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:37.528
What I'm trying to say is I don't necessarily view that

763
00:35:37.648 --> 00:35:39.028
as trying to.

764
00:35:40.848 --> 00:35:43.640
To, make us present a soft,

765
00:35:43.704 --> 00:35:46.480
like, a kindness gender gesture from

766
00:35:46.544 --> 00:35:49.408
team green. It's a gesture from Alicent.

767
00:35:49.528 --> 00:35:52.472
>> Will: Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I wasn't saying it hold the whole team itself. It

768
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:53.556
was just for her.

769
00:35:53.752 --> 00:35:55.048
>> Sarah : Yeah, because.

770
00:35:57.068 --> 00:35:59.892
And you talked a little bit about

771
00:35:59.940 --> 00:36:01.844
this when, you brought up

772
00:36:01.916 --> 00:36:04.208
Rhaenyras. And,

773
00:36:04.948 --> 00:36:07.660
like, we're still. The show still

774
00:36:07.724 --> 00:36:09.328
primarily is about

775
00:36:10.428 --> 00:36:12.208
these female characters

776
00:36:12.708 --> 00:36:13.448
who

777
00:36:15.148 --> 00:36:18.108
exhibit power, but

778
00:36:18.268 --> 00:36:21.244
given their circumstances, are also

779
00:36:21.316 --> 00:36:22.728
very powerless.

780
00:36:24.388 --> 00:36:27.196
And. And it's. And it's. And it's

781
00:36:27.252 --> 00:36:30.028
very fascinating to watch, especially for those who

782
00:36:30.068 --> 00:36:33.060
watch Game of Thrones, just because I continue to

783
00:36:33.124 --> 00:36:35.908
remember, Game of Thrones predominantly

784
00:36:35.948 --> 00:36:38.288
is male characters

785
00:36:38.668 --> 00:36:41.372
and male vying

786
00:36:41.500 --> 00:36:44.404
for power. And this one is just.

787
00:36:44.476 --> 00:36:47.060
It's such a maternal

788
00:36:47.124 --> 00:36:50.014
show. So, I mean, how many births

789
00:36:50.116 --> 00:36:51.638
did we see, Lassie?

790
00:36:53.578 --> 00:36:56.386
Now we're. Season one was season

791
00:36:56.442 --> 00:36:59.114
of burst, season two, season of

792
00:36:59.146 --> 00:37:00.718
deaths. Okay.

793
00:37:01.538 --> 00:37:04.466
>> Will: So much so that, you know, now we're just like, season one. We had all

794
00:37:04.482 --> 00:37:07.410
the. We had the, you know, with the opening, we had the births and all the

795
00:37:07.434 --> 00:37:10.346
bloodlines flowing and stuff. Now we're just got the tapestry to

796
00:37:10.362 --> 00:37:11.478
pull all this stuff together.

797
00:37:12.018 --> 00:37:14.906
>> Sarah : Yeah. Which. Great call to change that

798
00:37:14.962 --> 00:37:17.878
intro. And I hope we get a different one in season

799
00:37:17.958 --> 00:37:20.618
three, because I think that,

800
00:37:21.678 --> 00:37:24.478
like, it was smart to

801
00:37:24.518 --> 00:37:27.262
change it to that tapestry because it just

802
00:37:27.310 --> 00:37:29.178
reminded me, like,

803
00:37:30.158 --> 00:37:32.654
I know that this is Westeros isn't

804
00:37:32.726 --> 00:37:35.462
real, but it feels very medieval.

805
00:37:35.550 --> 00:37:37.982
And, like, that's a pastime

806
00:37:38.150 --> 00:37:40.918
like, women, would do, is make

807
00:37:40.958 --> 00:37:43.904
these tapestries. And so to have that as your

808
00:37:43.936 --> 00:37:46.608
opening sequence again, it just

809
00:37:46.688 --> 00:37:49.664
reels in. Like, the captains of these teens are

810
00:37:49.696 --> 00:37:52.028
female. So,

811
00:37:52.568 --> 00:37:55.308
like, it's just. And it's a war

812
00:37:55.608 --> 00:37:58.600
between moms, especially if you're

813
00:37:58.624 --> 00:38:00.936
doing son for son or sun for

814
00:38:01.032 --> 00:38:01.908
grandson.

815
00:38:02.288 --> 00:38:03.068
>> Will: Yes.

816
00:38:03.888 --> 00:38:06.704
>> Sarah : So. Well, I think that

817
00:38:06.776 --> 00:38:09.710
wraps it up. our first, we got seven more

818
00:38:09.742 --> 00:38:12.590
episodes of House of Dragon to go, and now we have to

819
00:38:12.622 --> 00:38:15.274
talk about two episodes of boys.

820
00:38:16.014 --> 00:38:19.014
I will be honest, I watched these episodes, but I still

821
00:38:19.054 --> 00:38:21.154
have to remember what actually happened.

822
00:38:23.014 --> 00:38:24.674
Not that they were bad.

823
00:38:26.774 --> 00:38:29.566
And I'm also not saying house of

824
00:38:29.590 --> 00:38:32.574
Dragon, season two, episode one, wasn't, like,

825
00:38:32.614 --> 00:38:35.380
my favorite episode ever either. Like, it's a

826
00:38:35.412 --> 00:38:38.340
slow burn, and then it gets you at the end, and then you're

827
00:38:38.372 --> 00:38:41.038
like, oh, my God. but we're easing back

828
00:38:41.086 --> 00:38:43.862
in. The. The boys also

829
00:38:43.958 --> 00:38:46.590
arguably did a little bit of a slow

830
00:38:46.742 --> 00:38:49.668
burn. where. Where they were. They were

831
00:38:49.756 --> 00:38:52.318
setting, pieces up and things in

832
00:38:52.366 --> 00:38:55.294
motion and. Homelander's getting old.

833
00:38:55.454 --> 00:38:55.910
>> Will: Yeah.

834
00:38:55.982 --> 00:38:56.754
>> Sarah : Literally.

835
00:38:57.334 --> 00:39:00.182
>> Will: Yep. Yeah, literally. Literally.

836
00:39:00.238 --> 00:39:03.086
Yeah. Oh,

837
00:39:03.150 --> 00:39:05.982
boy. Yeah. And I love how

838
00:39:05.998 --> 00:39:07.914
they, like, use his narcissism

839
00:39:08.614 --> 00:39:11.526
and with the. Just jump right into. Since you brought

840
00:39:11.550 --> 00:39:14.086
up him getting old, how they, with

841
00:39:14.110 --> 00:39:16.434
his one, obviously,

842
00:39:16.974 --> 00:39:19.846
whenever the first. Whenever it first happened, as

843
00:39:19.870 --> 00:39:22.622
far as seeing his midlife crisis. Wow. So why is he

844
00:39:22.638 --> 00:39:24.354
keeping his pubic hairs? It's like,

845
00:39:25.394 --> 00:39:28.242
random thing. I was like, he. Is he going to try to clone himself or

846
00:39:28.258 --> 00:39:30.730
something? And that's where my mom went through

847
00:39:30.762 --> 00:39:33.558
first. but then once they started,

848
00:39:33.686 --> 00:39:36.542
you know, things sort of flowing through the show,

849
00:39:36.598 --> 00:39:39.582
and it was really identified he was having this midlife crisis. And

850
00:39:39.598 --> 00:39:42.422
then, like, whenever the team was trying to.

851
00:39:42.478 --> 00:39:45.334
Whenever they were trying, the marketing team and sister,

852
00:39:45.380 --> 00:39:48.280
Sage deconstructed, you know, analyzed him

853
00:39:48.312 --> 00:39:51.256
standing there. And as far as whenever he was in street clothes,

854
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:54.312
about the wrinkles and that, you know, bleach in his hair

855
00:39:54.368 --> 00:39:57.310
and all that kind of stuff. Also, like, ah, yeah, my man's going

856
00:39:57.334 --> 00:39:58.698
through that midlife crisis.

857
00:39:59.598 --> 00:40:00.334
>> Sarah : Yeah.

858
00:40:00.486 --> 00:40:03.206
>> Will: So it's. Again, this drives narratively address so many

859
00:40:03.262 --> 00:40:06.262
things as far as what, you know, on top of

860
00:40:06.270 --> 00:40:09.270
the already narcissist, malignant narcissism. Now you got,

861
00:40:09.334 --> 00:40:12.286
you know, that with a midlife crisis, it's like, this

862
00:40:12.302 --> 00:40:13.878
guy's a stop. This guy's gonna be.

863
00:40:13.958 --> 00:40:16.230
>> Sarah : Yeah. But. But it's. It's

864
00:40:16.334 --> 00:40:19.168
also. It goes back to

865
00:40:19.208 --> 00:40:22.048
what I always bring up when we talk about Homelander

866
00:40:22.088 --> 00:40:25.032
is, like, there's. They've managed to

867
00:40:25.120 --> 00:40:27.304
always have some

868
00:40:27.376 --> 00:40:30.304
semblance of humanity, and

869
00:40:30.376 --> 00:40:33.360
nothing is more humane than

870
00:40:33.544 --> 00:40:36.392
the idea that I'm gonna die one

871
00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:36.936
day.

872
00:40:37.072 --> 00:40:38.928
>> Will: Yeah. Other times, undefeated.

873
00:40:39.048 --> 00:40:41.788
>> Sarah : And so, like, I'm getting older,

874
00:40:42.128 --> 00:40:44.912
and then. And I think it was the perfect

875
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:47.242
time for them, really, to delve into that,

876
00:40:47.290 --> 00:40:49.834
considering now he's an

877
00:40:49.906 --> 00:40:52.874
active father in his son's life. And

878
00:40:52.906 --> 00:40:55.358
so now it's about legacy.

879
00:40:55.898 --> 00:40:58.546
But for. For

880
00:40:58.602 --> 00:41:01.114
Homelander to actually be a

881
00:41:01.146 --> 00:41:03.826
supportive father, like.

882
00:41:04.002 --> 00:41:06.818
Like, he. His narcissism won't let

883
00:41:06.858 --> 00:41:08.758
him fully do that.

884
00:41:09.578 --> 00:41:12.516
Like, and, because you brought up sister Sage,

885
00:41:12.596 --> 00:41:14.896
and in this first episode,

886
00:41:15.896 --> 00:41:18.552
and I also love Homelander isn't

887
00:41:18.584 --> 00:41:19.676
dumb. Like,

888
00:41:21.922 --> 00:41:24.630
Ashley throws it out as

889
00:41:24.678 --> 00:41:27.654
maybe her joining the seven.

890
00:41:27.790 --> 00:41:30.462
And then we learn from a train that she's the

891
00:41:30.494 --> 00:41:33.390
world's smartest person. Such a lame superpower. And he

892
00:41:33.438 --> 00:41:36.258
immediately listens to that,

893
00:41:36.322 --> 00:41:39.114
and it's like, okay, I'm gonna use that piece of. And then we get.

894
00:41:39.210 --> 00:41:42.186
I also. I did not expect him

895
00:41:42.346 --> 00:41:45.098
to dress down when going to see sister

896
00:41:45.162 --> 00:41:45.842
sage.

897
00:41:45.994 --> 00:41:46.442
>> Will: Yeah.

898
00:41:46.514 --> 00:41:48.946
>> Sarah : Like, I was just like, wait,

899
00:41:48.986 --> 00:41:51.890
wait. We're not in a suit. What's going on

900
00:41:51.938 --> 00:41:54.046
here? This is so interesting

901
00:41:56.146 --> 00:41:58.554
and so

902
00:41:58.610 --> 00:42:01.090
refreshing, and then even their back and forth

903
00:42:01.138 --> 00:42:03.930
conversation. I want you on the seven. Nope. I'm a

904
00:42:03.938 --> 00:42:06.708
black woman a thousand times smarter than you. Your ego

905
00:42:06.772 --> 00:42:09.496
can't handle that. This is, like, perfect.

906
00:42:10.196 --> 00:42:11.816
And. And I think,

907
00:42:12.916 --> 00:42:15.780
just like Homelander, we needed

908
00:42:15.868 --> 00:42:18.748
someone to be in that

909
00:42:18.812 --> 00:42:21.676
room with him or by him side who would actually

910
00:42:21.796 --> 00:42:24.236
be able to go tit for tat,

911
00:42:24.396 --> 00:42:27.316
like. And granted,

912
00:42:27.356 --> 00:42:30.356
we did not need him to make

913
00:42:30.396 --> 00:42:33.140
his point by almost trying to get

914
00:42:33.228 --> 00:42:35.900
the deep to blow a trainer. No, that wasn't

915
00:42:35.948 --> 00:42:36.816
necessary.

916
00:42:39.356 --> 00:42:41.988
But it also tells you something that there

917
00:42:42.052 --> 00:42:44.932
were. There was a long moment where I actually did

918
00:42:44.964 --> 00:42:47.948
think they were going to do it, because some very

919
00:42:48.012 --> 00:42:50.936
sick stuff before, but they actually did it.

920
00:42:51.836 --> 00:42:54.716
Okay, this is a different version of

921
00:42:54.756 --> 00:42:56.496
stakes. Okay.

922
00:42:58.836 --> 00:43:01.482
Oh, my God. yeah.

923
00:43:03.218 --> 00:43:06.170
that was arguably the best part of

924
00:43:06.354 --> 00:43:09.180
this episode, for me, at least,

925
00:43:09.284 --> 00:43:11.828
is introducing us to sister

926
00:43:11.908 --> 00:43:14.808
stage and everything going on with Homelander.

927
00:43:17.078 --> 00:43:19.894
I just want to get this out of the way. I was

928
00:43:19.926 --> 00:43:22.818
so confused about what was going on with black Noir

929
00:43:24.698 --> 00:43:27.122
because last I knew, he was

930
00:43:27.170 --> 00:43:29.890
dead. And did I miss

931
00:43:29.954 --> 00:43:32.154
something where they hired an

932
00:43:32.226 --> 00:43:35.154
actor, or are we supposed to pick

933
00:43:35.186 --> 00:43:37.562
up on that throughout, like, these first two

934
00:43:37.610 --> 00:43:38.398
episodes?

935
00:43:38.858 --> 00:43:41.818
>> Will: I think we were supposed to, like, pick

936
00:43:41.858 --> 00:43:43.224
that up and that,

937
00:43:45.028 --> 00:43:47.940
the actor, you know, whoever was playing black noir in

938
00:43:47.964 --> 00:43:50.956
the dawn of the seven film now is just going

939
00:43:50.972 --> 00:43:53.868
to fill in. Got it for him. Yeah.

940
00:43:53.948 --> 00:43:56.916
>> Sarah : Okay. I, for the whole episode, I was just thinking

941
00:43:56.932 --> 00:43:59.884
to myself, do I have to go back and

942
00:43:59.916 --> 00:44:02.700
watch something from the previous season? Because I'm like, I

943
00:44:02.724 --> 00:44:04.748
missed something here. What is he doing?

944
00:44:04.908 --> 00:44:07.332
>> Will: Yeah, but it also really, you

945
00:44:07.340 --> 00:44:10.300
know, what got me, what he clued me

946
00:44:10.324 --> 00:44:12.848
into that was like, how chatty. This black.

947
00:44:14.588 --> 00:44:17.550
Yeah. Especially, like, whatever. Whenever they were, they

948
00:44:17.574 --> 00:44:19.868
had got the, the homeland, I guess, the home

949
00:44:19.908 --> 00:44:22.628
fronters, to, to come

950
00:44:22.708 --> 00:44:25.636
meet them. And, and whenever he was

951
00:44:25.652 --> 00:44:28.292
like, all jazzed up to, like, whenever they brought the gate,

952
00:44:28.380 --> 00:44:30.964
whenever he gave the assignment to kill those three

953
00:44:30.996 --> 00:44:33.958
guys, I was like, okay, yeah, now I get it. I get it. He's going to

954
00:44:33.958 --> 00:44:36.138
be the comic relief for the seven this year.

955
00:44:38.918 --> 00:44:40.538
>> Sarah : Were you surprised

956
00:44:42.198 --> 00:44:44.542
at, as some of sister

957
00:44:44.630 --> 00:44:47.468
sages, like politics?

958
00:44:47.974 --> 00:44:50.338
>> Will: no. So I, you know, I mean, I

959
00:44:50.378 --> 00:44:53.370
wasn't because, I mean, I think, I think, you know,

960
00:44:53.514 --> 00:44:56.426
and this is, gets to the larger thing about the show because, I mean, I

961
00:44:56.442 --> 00:44:59.186
know this season, the,

962
00:44:59.362 --> 00:45:02.250
there's been a lot, you know, there are comments about how this

963
00:45:02.274 --> 00:45:05.106
is like the lowest rated show on the tomato meter, blah,

964
00:45:05.122 --> 00:45:07.850
blah, blah, as far as with, you know, audience scores and stuff. And I

965
00:45:07.874 --> 00:45:10.118
think it was one of those things like

966
00:45:10.918 --> 00:45:13.910
her politics and stuff. We're like where she's, she's in on the joke. She's

967
00:45:13.934 --> 00:45:15.938
in on it. She knows she gets it.

968
00:45:16.958 --> 00:45:18.618
And I think so

969
00:45:19.638 --> 00:45:22.550
I wasn't surprised as

970
00:45:22.574 --> 00:45:25.402
far as her. so, I

971
00:45:25.410 --> 00:45:28.202
mean, I think with her, to answer your question about our politics, I

972
00:45:28.210 --> 00:45:30.870
mean, she, she's, she, and you said it

973
00:45:30.886 --> 00:45:33.814
earlier, I mean, she's like, I know I'm a black woman

974
00:45:33.918 --> 00:45:36.798
in the room with these guys. You know, no one's going to

975
00:45:36.830 --> 00:45:39.478
listen to me because the way I look and the way I

976
00:45:39.510 --> 00:45:42.414
am. But she could be the guy behind

977
00:45:42.478 --> 00:45:45.318
the person behind the guy who, to

978
00:45:45.350 --> 00:45:47.802
make him look good. And

979
00:45:48.102 --> 00:45:51.006
at the end of the day, she's still, she's the brains of

980
00:45:51.014 --> 00:45:53.574
the outfit and she, and whatever her ultimate plan

981
00:45:53.678 --> 00:45:56.662
is, which in this, you know, which we see was

982
00:45:56.742 --> 00:45:59.614
to get the home, the starlighters and

983
00:45:59.638 --> 00:46:02.454
the home fronters to like, fight and then set it up so her

984
00:46:02.478 --> 00:46:05.254
guy could come in there and see today to be, you know, to

985
00:46:05.278 --> 00:46:08.216
reestablish himself as like, the great hope. you

986
00:46:08.224 --> 00:46:11.138
know, she was, So, yeah, so she

987
00:46:11.210 --> 00:46:14.068
gets, she gets it. And that's what I mean by, she

988
00:46:14.100 --> 00:46:16.636
understands, like, how to manipulate

989
00:46:16.684 --> 00:46:19.552
people and how to manipulate the political

990
00:46:20.652 --> 00:46:23.164
issue, the political sense of the day. And

991
00:46:23.188 --> 00:46:25.548
times to be able to achieve her

992
00:46:25.580 --> 00:46:26.272
ends.

993
00:46:26.652 --> 00:46:29.436
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Which are homelanders, eds.

994
00:46:29.484 --> 00:46:32.456
Because the thing is, she's, always

995
00:46:32.504 --> 00:46:33.648
going to be a puppet to him. Ah.

996
00:46:34.128 --> 00:46:34.852
>> Will: Yeah.

997
00:46:35.192 --> 00:46:37.488
>> Sarah : Yeah. Like, like, it'll be

998
00:46:37.520 --> 00:46:40.200
interesting who. Who's the puppet and who's the

999
00:46:40.216 --> 00:46:43.024
puppeteer, because, yeah, she tells him what

1000
00:46:43.048 --> 00:46:44.704
to do, but

1001
00:46:44.808 --> 00:46:47.092
Homelander, he's,

1002
00:46:47.832 --> 00:46:50.832
he's homelander, and he can go. Can follow

1003
00:46:50.912 --> 00:46:53.838
what you say or not. and so she's able

1004
00:46:53.870 --> 00:46:56.442
to stand up to him, but at the same time,

1005
00:46:57.082 --> 00:46:59.818
like, I just. I mean, we see it in the

1006
00:46:59.850 --> 00:47:02.498
second episode when we had the truth con

1007
00:47:02.690 --> 00:47:05.346
is like, she's. She's

1008
00:47:05.394 --> 00:47:07.874
been involved in some other stuff.

1009
00:47:08.058 --> 00:47:08.822
>> Will: Yeah.

1010
00:47:09.442 --> 00:47:12.394
>> Sarah : And she. She ain't the most pro human

1011
00:47:12.498 --> 00:47:14.746
person out there either.

1012
00:47:14.914 --> 00:47:17.842
>> Will: She's not. Oh, no, no, no. She. Yeah.

1013
00:47:17.882 --> 00:47:20.210
She definitely, definitely believes in the

1014
00:47:20.266 --> 00:47:22.002
superiority, for sure.

1015
00:47:22.042 --> 00:47:24.798
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Which, I mean, she even tells the

1016
00:47:24.830 --> 00:47:27.798
deep, like, ashley can't talk to you

1017
00:47:27.830 --> 00:47:28.542
like that.

1018
00:47:28.662 --> 00:47:30.122
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah,

1019
00:47:31.022 --> 00:47:33.282
she's, she's definitely magneto.

1020
00:47:34.182 --> 00:47:37.006
>> Sarah : Oh, my God. Yeah. Like,

1021
00:47:37.094 --> 00:47:39.958
like, oh, my God. The deep never got rid of the

1022
00:47:39.990 --> 00:47:40.830
octopus.

1023
00:47:41.006 --> 00:47:42.086
>> Will: Oh, you didn't.

1024
00:47:42.254 --> 00:47:45.062
>> Sarah : He didn't get rid of the octopus. Oh, my

1025
00:47:45.102 --> 00:47:47.944
God. He did not. Oh, geez.

1026
00:47:48.088 --> 00:47:51.008
So on the flip side, the boys are being

1027
00:47:51.040 --> 00:47:53.688
the boys and doing the boys

1028
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:56.596
stuff. butcher, I

1029
00:47:56.604 --> 00:47:58.072
don't know. I'm.

1030
00:47:59.692 --> 00:48:02.644
And I've probably. People have listened to me talk about

1031
00:48:02.668 --> 00:48:05.652
the boys. I'm not necessarily

1032
00:48:05.732 --> 00:48:08.652
team Homelander, but I find that what's going

1033
00:48:08.692 --> 00:48:11.692
on with him always so much more interesting than what's going

1034
00:48:11.732 --> 00:48:13.072
on with the actual boys.

1035
00:48:14.572 --> 00:48:16.432
>> Will: Yeah, that's fair.

1036
00:48:17.202 --> 00:48:19.706
>> Sarah : I don't know. It's like, how are

1037
00:48:19.714 --> 00:48:21.858
you, butcher?

1038
00:48:22.050 --> 00:48:24.586
Just the. I don't feel

1039
00:48:24.674 --> 00:48:27.226
like they play with his

1040
00:48:27.274 --> 00:48:29.658
character as well as they do with

1041
00:48:29.690 --> 00:48:32.362
Homelander in terms of

1042
00:48:32.402 --> 00:48:35.194
writing. But what are your thoughts about what's going on with,

1043
00:48:35.298 --> 00:48:36.822
with this side of things?

1044
00:48:37.282 --> 00:48:40.138
>> Will: Yeah, so, Butcher, I mean, we've talked

1045
00:48:40.170 --> 00:48:42.048
about this before, and,

1046
00:48:43.242 --> 00:48:45.850
it's really, I mean, to your point

1047
00:48:45.906 --> 00:48:48.738
is how as well as the right Homelander and all

1048
00:48:48.770 --> 00:48:51.674
the things that go on with him. And I think part of that, too, is

1049
00:48:51.698 --> 00:48:54.346
like, as I was watching this

1050
00:48:54.394 --> 00:48:57.350
show, you know, it was really like a, You know, it. And

1051
00:48:57.382 --> 00:49:00.246
what I meant by earlier about the joke, she's in on it. It's like

1052
00:49:00.270 --> 00:49:02.982
that how the show is like a mirror of our times.

1053
00:49:03.118 --> 00:49:06.094
It really is like a mirror to our times and stuff. So I think

1054
00:49:06.134 --> 00:49:08.994
because of that, you know, you can explore so many things

1055
00:49:09.034 --> 00:49:11.666
through the avatar of Homelander, whereas I think

1056
00:49:11.730 --> 00:49:14.706
Butcher, I found him a fat. I found him an

1057
00:49:14.730 --> 00:49:17.534
interesting character, but

1058
00:49:19.594 --> 00:49:22.418
I think with Butcher has been

1059
00:49:22.466 --> 00:49:25.466
seeing this evolution of this character from the

1060
00:49:25.490 --> 00:49:28.106
character that, you know, when we meet Jeffrey Dean Morgan's

1061
00:49:28.130 --> 00:49:30.654
character, Joe, was a Kessler.

1062
00:49:32.314 --> 00:49:34.970
Whenever we meet Kessler this season, he was like. He's

1063
00:49:35.002 --> 00:49:37.670
essentially how butcher was when we first met

1064
00:49:37.702 --> 00:49:40.510
Butcher at the beginning of season one, because Kessler now

1065
00:49:40.542 --> 00:49:43.034
wants to use Ryan to basically take down

1066
00:49:43.414 --> 00:49:45.914
Homelander. Butcher has actually

1067
00:49:47.014 --> 00:49:49.470
changed. And, you know, we get these. He

1068
00:49:49.502 --> 00:49:52.238
hears these visions, and then we do see

1069
00:49:52.286 --> 00:49:55.196
that. You know, we see Becca. we learn

1070
00:49:55.380 --> 00:49:58.316
that's who he's hearing these voices and stuff

1071
00:49:58.460 --> 00:50:01.344
from in these episodes.

1072
00:50:01.804 --> 00:50:04.724
And we've Scene how he's matured and changed to now

1073
00:50:04.764 --> 00:50:07.628
where his. His goal now

1074
00:50:07.676 --> 00:50:10.508
is to where Kessler wants to raise

1075
00:50:10.596 --> 00:50:13.540
Ryan to be the home last layer. Butcher just

1076
00:50:13.572 --> 00:50:16.532
wants that kid to just be able to be a kid and just have

1077
00:50:16.548 --> 00:50:19.532
a normal life and not get wrapped up in all this

1078
00:50:19.668 --> 00:50:22.396
craziness. So I'm actually liking

1079
00:50:22.580 --> 00:50:25.524
that evolution of butcher as we have progressed through these

1080
00:50:25.564 --> 00:50:26.164
seasons.

1081
00:50:26.284 --> 00:50:28.844
>> Sarah : Wow. I feel like I missed

1082
00:50:28.964 --> 00:50:31.844
two scenes because I did not get that

1083
00:50:31.884 --> 00:50:34.762
from Kessler over, like, their brief

1084
00:50:34.818 --> 00:50:37.774
meeting in this episode. Did I miss something?

1085
00:50:38.354 --> 00:50:41.002
Because he wasn't at all in the second

1086
00:50:41.058 --> 00:50:41.974
episode?

1087
00:50:42.394 --> 00:50:45.058
>> Will: In the first episode, when I first meet him, it was like that

1088
00:50:45.106 --> 00:50:47.522
intro. He was. He was that.

1089
00:50:47.658 --> 00:50:50.314
>> Sarah : It's okay. I just. I don't know.

1090
00:50:50.354 --> 00:50:53.026
I don't know if I picked up on everything

1091
00:50:53.130 --> 00:50:55.214
that you did during that conversation.

1092
00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:58.732
but, yeah, I'm just glad to. That we're

1093
00:50:58.748 --> 00:51:01.556
gonna see James Dean Morgan again. He's

1094
00:51:01.580 --> 00:51:04.382
always fun. yeah. And then

1095
00:51:04.478 --> 00:51:07.334
is it in this episode that Huey's father

1096
00:51:07.414 --> 00:51:10.034
goes to the emergency room, or is that next episode?

1097
00:51:10.420 --> 00:51:13.208
>> Will: yeah, Huey's dad has a stroke in the first episode

1098
00:51:13.256 --> 00:51:16.092
because, whenever he was there with

1099
00:51:16.116 --> 00:51:18.956
Newman when they were doing the mission,

1100
00:51:18.988 --> 00:51:21.680
that's when he got the phone call. He was. Let it go to voicemail.

1101
00:51:22.050 --> 00:51:25.010
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. And Newman

1102
00:51:25.130 --> 00:51:28.026
is close to VP, and

1103
00:51:28.058 --> 00:51:30.842
right now, so not CIA is not

1104
00:51:30.906 --> 00:51:33.870
necessarily going after Homelander

1105
00:51:34.330 --> 00:51:37.234
because they're focused on the fact that a soup

1106
00:51:37.362 --> 00:51:40.282
is second in line for the presidency.

1107
00:51:40.346 --> 00:51:43.270
So there was a lot of talk about that.

1108
00:51:43.650 --> 00:51:46.554
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Which, I mean, I think some folks, I

1109
00:51:46.562 --> 00:51:49.556
think president elect singer has

1110
00:51:49.588 --> 00:51:52.516
to know that she's a suit. He hasn't out and out said

1111
00:51:52.548 --> 00:51:55.480
it, but, yeah, I mean, he's a president elect.

1112
00:51:56.500 --> 00:51:59.436
He has the whole thing. Yeah. But getting

1113
00:51:59.468 --> 00:52:01.930
back to just Newman and Huey, into

1114
00:52:02.310 --> 00:52:04.656
your question. yeah, Huey's dad, ah,

1115
00:52:05.080 --> 00:52:07.648
had the stroke. Huey and

1116
00:52:07.824 --> 00:52:10.460
Victoria have their. I had forgotten that

1117
00:52:11.800 --> 00:52:13.300
who he had worked for her.

1118
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.420
I guess it was that season two or season three.

1119
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:19.320
>> Sarah : Season three. Okay.

1120
00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:21.100
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. It's been so long.

1121
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.944
So I've been on, but I forgot the relationship. But the other.

1122
00:52:24.992 --> 00:52:27.920
The other thing, and I will say is a critique, is

1123
00:52:28.040 --> 00:52:30.976
how much plot armor has been built up around these. These key

1124
00:52:31.008 --> 00:52:31.740
characters.

1125
00:52:33.846 --> 00:52:36.690
from, like, when Huey and

1126
00:52:37.030 --> 00:52:39.726
was, trying to take Newman out with the asset and stuff.

1127
00:52:39.888 --> 00:52:42.498
And even, like, when he. When Homelander and

1128
00:52:42.594 --> 00:52:45.362
Victoria were up on the stage and, you know, I

1129
00:52:45.386 --> 00:52:48.174
think, you know, she can't pop his head and stuff. I mean, it

1130
00:52:48.190 --> 00:52:49.346
just seems that,

1131
00:52:51.896 --> 00:52:54.768
it's just for, you know, this just seems that

1132
00:52:54.792 --> 00:52:57.792
there's a lot of pot armor. Whereas I think the earlier season of the show, they

1133
00:52:57.824 --> 00:53:00.712
were like, they would take out some key characters

1134
00:53:00.744 --> 00:53:03.728
and stuff, but now it's sort of like, okay, we're just gonna keep everybody around until

1135
00:53:03.792 --> 00:53:06.196
season five, and then we'll have our big blow up.

1136
00:53:07.036 --> 00:53:09.564
>> Sarah : They killed Maeve in last

1137
00:53:09.700 --> 00:53:10.976
season finale.

1138
00:53:11.516 --> 00:53:14.354
>> Will: But, No, but remember, she. She did not die.

1139
00:53:14.426 --> 00:53:16.052
She, just quietly retired.

1140
00:53:16.220 --> 00:53:18.580
>> Sarah : She just quietly retired. Got it. Okay.

1141
00:53:18.684 --> 00:53:21.396
>> Will: Yeah. Remember? Yeah. We thought she was killed when she.

1142
00:53:21.572 --> 00:53:24.168
>> Sarah : When's the last time they killed a k character?

1143
00:53:25.262 --> 00:53:27.934
>> Sarah : yeah, because I don't know if they've ever done

1144
00:53:27.958 --> 00:53:28.522
it.

1145
00:53:29.622 --> 00:53:31.596
>> Will: I guess arguably.

1146
00:53:31.724 --> 00:53:31.898
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1147
00:53:31.898 --> 00:53:34.042
>> Will: well, blackmore, but,

1148
00:53:35.462 --> 00:53:38.318
yeah, blackmore. There

1149
00:53:38.350 --> 00:53:40.808
was, What was the, The, translucent was, another

1150
00:53:40.864 --> 00:53:43.728
one. So there have been a

1151
00:53:43.744 --> 00:53:44.300
few.

1152
00:53:44.600 --> 00:53:47.456
>> Sarah : They didn't kill him on screen, though. That was talked

1153
00:53:47.488 --> 00:53:50.256
about. I don't know.

1154
00:53:50.448 --> 00:53:53.416
I get what you're saying, and I agree, but

1155
00:53:53.448 --> 00:53:56.372
I also don't think that they're been

1156
00:53:56.436 --> 00:53:58.780
known to with those kind of

1157
00:53:58.820 --> 00:53:59.520
stakes.

1158
00:53:59.820 --> 00:54:02.732
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think the plot armor for me is

1159
00:54:02.756 --> 00:54:04.962
just. It's just as, I, will say, I

1160
00:54:04.986 --> 00:54:07.714
enjoyed these episodes,

1161
00:54:07.882 --> 00:54:10.804
but I will say that it's getting, They make

1162
00:54:10.820 --> 00:54:13.276
it the right call to end this show with five

1163
00:54:13.316 --> 00:54:15.964
seasons. Yeah. Things are starting

1164
00:54:15.980 --> 00:54:16.536
to.

1165
00:54:17.516 --> 00:54:19.696
>> Sarah : Yeah, it's more noticeable,

1166
00:54:20.302 --> 00:54:22.466
especially when you're dealing with a team of

1167
00:54:22.506 --> 00:54:25.156
humans versus soups,

1168
00:54:25.552 --> 00:54:28.046
and arguably some of the most powerful soups.

1169
00:54:28.426 --> 00:54:31.202
So that brings us to the second episode, life among the

1170
00:54:31.234 --> 00:54:34.210
spectacs. Did you know the globalists put chemicals

1171
00:54:34.258 --> 00:54:37.162
in our food to make us gay? Dakota Bob is a demon

1172
00:54:37.194 --> 00:54:40.066
from hell, and the moon isn't real. Find out what they

1173
00:54:40.106 --> 00:54:42.326
want and keep us from us. Truth con.

1174
00:54:43.242 --> 00:54:45.492
so my one thing about this

1175
00:54:45.524 --> 00:54:48.348
episode, because we just got done talking about the

1176
00:54:48.372 --> 00:54:51.316
first episode, love the introduction of Sister Sage.

1177
00:54:51.856 --> 00:54:52.796
And then

1178
00:54:55.736 --> 00:54:58.600
I just. You're the smartest person in

1179
00:54:58.608 --> 00:55:01.336
the world. You. You know, these guys are tailing

1180
00:55:01.376 --> 00:55:04.272
you. You figure it out. And so you

1181
00:55:04.304 --> 00:55:07.272
set this up to get some soups to help you and

1182
00:55:07.304 --> 00:55:10.056
kill them. The sister. Sage.

1183
00:55:10.136 --> 00:55:12.640
Sage, please tell me, did you really

1184
00:55:12.728 --> 00:55:15.624
think that that splinter and

1185
00:55:15.640 --> 00:55:18.564
firecracker would get the job done?

1186
00:55:18.660 --> 00:55:21.188
Did you? Or was that the best you could do given the

1187
00:55:21.212 --> 00:55:24.016
circumstances? Because I don't know.

1188
00:55:26.156 --> 00:55:27.896
>> Will: It does the best you can do.

1189
00:55:30.996 --> 00:55:32.696
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

1190
00:55:33.036 --> 00:55:35.652
>> Will: We are talking about, you know, about the truthers here and

1191
00:55:35.684 --> 00:55:38.052
conspiracy theorists. So they're not the brightest

1192
00:55:38.084 --> 00:55:38.776
bulbs.

1193
00:55:39.236 --> 00:55:41.696
>> Sarah : I mean, she just literally

1194
00:55:42.856 --> 00:55:45.544
gave Homelander a plan that

1195
00:55:45.600 --> 00:55:48.392
caused three innocent people

1196
00:55:48.504 --> 00:55:51.416
to get, like, beaten to death by

1197
00:55:51.456 --> 00:55:53.664
the deep a train and black

1198
00:55:53.720 --> 00:55:56.720
noir. And then in the next episode, it's

1199
00:55:56.768 --> 00:55:59.666
like, oh, the boys are tailing me. So this goes back to your point

1200
00:55:59.698 --> 00:56:02.418
about plot armor. Like, that

1201
00:56:02.474 --> 00:56:05.390
was. That was kind of a

1202
00:56:06.010 --> 00:56:08.946
way to get a good. A creepy

1203
00:56:09.058 --> 00:56:11.470
action sequence with a lot of nudity.

1204
00:56:12.260 --> 00:56:14.676
and. And the boys end up

1205
00:56:14.748 --> 00:56:16.520
escaping like

1206
00:56:17.500 --> 00:56:19.640
no one died. Yeah, it just.

1207
00:56:20.500 --> 00:56:20.884
That.

1208
00:56:20.932 --> 00:56:23.452
>> Will: I mean, yeah, I mean, the

1209
00:56:23.476 --> 00:56:26.396
whole synthese thing, I mean, reached a point where it's just

1210
00:56:26.428 --> 00:56:29.084
like. I mean, it's.

1211
00:56:29.172 --> 00:56:32.164
It's like shock value for shot. It's lost. It's like.

1212
00:56:32.332 --> 00:56:34.784
I'm just gonna say it. It didn't

1213
00:56:34.832 --> 00:56:37.784
blow. It just kind of lost a shock value for me. I

1214
00:56:37.792 --> 00:56:39.980
was like, oh, okay, y'all are doing this,

1215
00:56:41.080 --> 00:56:41.820
right?

1216
00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:45.200
>> Sarah : I I

1217
00:56:45.240 --> 00:56:47.728
don't know if the show has lost its

1218
00:56:47.864 --> 00:56:50.800
shock value because we. We

1219
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:53.744
didn't talk about the moment when those

1220
00:56:53.792 --> 00:56:55.020
guys got beaten.

1221
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:58.352
>> Will: Yeah, that was more shocking. That was more shocking to me

1222
00:56:58.376 --> 00:57:00.766
than like. Or more like, okay,

1223
00:57:01.870 --> 00:57:04.814
you know, it worked better for me than,

1224
00:57:04.862 --> 00:57:06.670
like, the centipede. What does it say?

1225
00:57:06.750 --> 00:57:09.406
>> Sarah : Right, right. Absolutely. Because I

1226
00:57:09.438 --> 00:57:12.166
think. I think after you go through an

1227
00:57:12.198 --> 00:57:14.814
episode like herogasm, like, come on,

1228
00:57:14.902 --> 00:57:17.694
that's a walk in the park in

1229
00:57:17.742 --> 00:57:18.330
that.

1230
00:57:18.790 --> 00:57:20.410
>> Will: Or driving through a whale.

1231
00:57:20.710 --> 00:57:23.254
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. So. So

1232
00:57:23.382 --> 00:57:26.082
I exploded this. I don't think it

1233
00:57:26.106 --> 00:57:28.972
was necessary, but, it was like, such

1234
00:57:28.996 --> 00:57:31.692
a brief moment. I was like, been there, done that. And

1235
00:57:31.716 --> 00:57:34.364
then, of course, that leads to the action sequence,

1236
00:57:34.412 --> 00:57:37.252
which is never that good. Anyway.

1237
00:57:37.316 --> 00:57:40.170
So, yeah,

1238
00:57:41.630 --> 00:57:42.590
yeah, I will say.

1239
00:57:42.630 --> 00:57:45.086
>> Will: The second episode, I mean, there were

1240
00:57:45.158 --> 00:57:48.078
the, you know, the

1241
00:57:48.094 --> 00:57:50.958
stuff. Again, going back to Homelander and to your point earlier,

1242
00:57:51.014 --> 00:57:53.994
it's just like, those are the scenes that, like, pop

1243
00:57:54.042 --> 00:57:56.994
with this show and how that just

1244
00:57:57.042 --> 00:57:59.770
such a dynamic character that he is

1245
00:57:59.890 --> 00:58:02.874
and seeing, like, whenever they were trying

1246
00:58:02.922 --> 00:58:05.650
to, like, film the fake commercial, you know, to get

1247
00:58:05.690 --> 00:58:08.664
Ryan his. His first save. and how

1248
00:58:08.712 --> 00:58:11.632
all that went around went on. And to your point, too, as far as,

1249
00:58:11.656 --> 00:58:14.552
like, you know, homeliner is never going to listen to sister Sage. I mean,

1250
00:58:14.576 --> 00:58:17.408
he'll listen to her, but he's still going to figure out a way to,

1251
00:58:17.424 --> 00:58:20.406
like, work his way in there because she was

1252
00:58:20.438 --> 00:58:22.694
like, you know, when they came up with the idea,

1253
00:58:22.862 --> 00:58:25.646
whenever deeps, you know, they actually followed.

1254
00:58:25.798 --> 00:58:27.850
It was deep side. Yeah, actually.

1255
00:58:28.430 --> 00:58:31.396
And. And it was actually better. But,

1256
00:58:31.346 --> 00:58:33.706
in. And he was like, oh, yeah,

1257
00:58:33.858 --> 00:58:36.762
I'll go along. And then, of course, when

1258
00:58:36.786 --> 00:58:39.442
he actually executed, he shows up,

1259
00:58:39.506 --> 00:58:42.458
and because his narcissism won't allow him to let, you

1260
00:58:42.474 --> 00:58:45.458
know, even his own son, to get a moment. But, yeah,

1261
00:58:45.482 --> 00:58:48.066
I mean, it's just, those are. That's what stood out for me in this

1262
00:58:48.106 --> 00:58:51.026
episode. It's just, like, just a reminder how much

1263
00:58:51.066 --> 00:58:53.446
is. How crazy this guy is.

1264
00:58:54.026 --> 00:58:56.930
>> Sarah : Right, right. And also, the people around him,

1265
00:58:56.978 --> 00:58:59.658
I mean, everything going on with Ashley and

1266
00:58:59.802 --> 00:59:01.874
the deep and PETA's

1267
00:59:01.930 --> 00:59:04.006
bestiality watch list,

1268
00:59:04.986 --> 00:59:07.046
the deep is like, a great,

1269
00:59:08.426 --> 00:59:11.106
great comedic

1270
00:59:11.226 --> 00:59:14.106
thing to throw in there. Just. Just spice

1271
00:59:14.146 --> 00:59:17.126
it up a little bit, make it more dynamic.

1272
00:59:17.746 --> 00:59:20.442
And to an extent, Frenchie and,

1273
00:59:20.392 --> 00:59:23.224
Kumiko are that way.

1274
00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:26.256
For me, I find it interesting

1275
00:59:26.296 --> 00:59:29.176
what's going on with them, but at the same time, I was a bit

1276
00:59:29.216 --> 00:59:31.832
confused as to their relationship status,

1277
00:59:31.904 --> 00:59:34.904
especially now that Frenchie's off hooking up with somebody

1278
00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:37.768
else and she's allowing that. And I'm

1279
00:59:37.792 --> 00:59:40.484
like, when did the breakup happen? Because

1280
00:59:40.620 --> 00:59:43.180
last thing I remember about you two is the musical

1281
00:59:43.228 --> 00:59:44.068
episode.

1282
00:59:44.252 --> 00:59:47.148
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, that was. Yeah, that was

1283
00:59:47.172 --> 00:59:49.556
another thing that just seemed like it was. That was a

1284
00:59:49.636 --> 00:59:52.364
weird turn for me, I

1285
00:59:52.380 --> 00:59:55.340
think. I guess the thing for the second

1286
00:59:55.388 --> 00:59:58.292
episode was really, like, the trauma episode because we also have, like,

1287
00:59:58.324 --> 01:00:01.292
huge, you know, so we have Frenchie and

1288
01:00:01.364 --> 01:00:04.236
Kimiko and Colin, you know, Frenchie, like, killing

1289
01:00:04.356 --> 01:00:07.268
Colin's parents and trying to deal with that. And you're right. I was

1290
01:00:07.292 --> 01:00:10.188
like, when did a relationship status change? And then, of course, we

1291
01:00:10.212 --> 01:00:13.166
do have the whole, Huey, you know, his mom shows

1292
01:00:13.206 --> 01:00:15.998
up, and, of course, going back to her leaving the

1293
01:00:16.022 --> 01:00:19.006
years, leaving Huey and his dad years ago

1294
01:00:19.046 --> 01:00:21.386
and whole power of attorney stuff going on there.

1295
01:00:21.686 --> 01:00:24.586
>> Sarah : So I was just going to add in,

1296
01:00:25.086 --> 01:00:27.846
I think Hughie, even more

1297
01:00:27.886 --> 01:00:30.462
so than Butcher, has just become a stale

1298
01:00:30.534 --> 01:00:33.146
character. M where,

1299
01:00:33.306 --> 01:00:35.846
like, to make him relevant,

1300
01:00:36.426 --> 01:00:39.410
you have to bring in the mother. I

1301
01:00:39.418 --> 01:00:42.330
don't remember if you were asking, like, where is Hughie's

1302
01:00:42.378 --> 01:00:45.086
mom? I forgot even how to dad,

1303
01:00:45.426 --> 01:00:48.074
like, like, huey works when

1304
01:00:48.130 --> 01:00:51.058
he's in a quasi father

1305
01:00:51.162 --> 01:00:53.706
son, quasi brother older

1306
01:00:53.746 --> 01:00:55.966
brother dynamic with Butch.

1307
01:00:56.706 --> 01:00:59.634
And then his relationship with Annie. And Annie has

1308
01:00:59.650 --> 01:01:02.350
her. Her own stuff going on with. With

1309
01:01:02.398 --> 01:01:04.902
how she's put together

1310
01:01:05.054 --> 01:01:07.740
a, community center

1311
01:01:07.908 --> 01:01:09.736
with the starlights. Yet

1312
01:01:10.876 --> 01:01:13.748
she still won't put on the suit. But how

1313
01:01:13.892 --> 01:01:16.748
this isn't. You have

1314
01:01:16.772 --> 01:01:19.704
a name, use it. but she needs to

1315
01:01:19.728 --> 01:01:22.252
figure out how to

1316
01:01:23.352 --> 01:01:25.952
be at peace with using it in that way

1317
01:01:26.072 --> 01:01:28.808
when she relates it so much back to

1318
01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:30.172
vault vought

1319
01:01:30.702 --> 01:01:33.678
technologies. So, so I

1320
01:01:33.710 --> 01:01:36.204
feel like in this, in these two

1321
01:01:36.268 --> 01:01:39.132
episodes, when I'm. What

1322
01:01:39.172 --> 01:01:41.832
I'm trying to wrap my mind around

1323
01:01:42.292 --> 01:01:45.252
is how they. They

1324
01:01:45.332 --> 01:01:48.252
really had a clever through

1325
01:01:48.332 --> 01:01:51.036
line with Homelander and arguably

1326
01:01:51.124 --> 01:01:53.972
with, with all of the supes. Even a

1327
01:01:54.012 --> 01:01:56.858
train. I mean, a train got to share some scenes with Will

1328
01:01:56.890 --> 01:01:58.802
Ferrell. I did not see that one coming.

1329
01:01:58.922 --> 01:01:59.902
>> Will: I didn't either.

1330
01:02:03.122 --> 01:02:06.114
>> Sarah : It was such a good. I mean, I knew at

1331
01:02:06.138 --> 01:02:08.770
first I was like, what? And then it took me just him

1332
01:02:08.826 --> 01:02:11.634
starting to save lives to be like, oh, this is

1333
01:02:11.698 --> 01:02:14.698
another, like, dawn of the sevens movie set

1334
01:02:14.770 --> 01:02:16.262
scene. Got it.

1335
01:02:16.722 --> 01:02:19.570
Understood. Understood.

1336
01:02:19.746 --> 01:02:22.646
>> Will: I love it. This is the blind side. I was like,

1337
01:02:22.794 --> 01:02:25.702
I was like, sure enough, like, two minutes later, they were like,

1338
01:02:25.782 --> 01:02:27.882
you know, will Ferrell was like,

1339
01:02:29.742 --> 01:02:30.602
okay.

1340
01:02:31.182 --> 01:02:33.982
>> Sarah : And. And, you know, I think we talked about this

1341
01:02:34.022 --> 01:02:37.014
last season is like, what they've managed

1342
01:02:37.038 --> 01:02:39.742
to do with a train, because

1343
01:02:39.822 --> 01:02:42.598
he's not. He's not the deep. He's not there for

1344
01:02:42.630 --> 01:02:45.108
comedic relief. he. He

1345
01:02:45.180 --> 01:02:47.480
definitely is the cause for at least

1346
01:02:47.636 --> 01:02:50.088
Hughie's whole journey throughout the

1347
01:02:50.120 --> 01:02:52.976
series, but he's been on his

1348
01:02:53.024 --> 01:02:55.450
own journey. that arguably

1349
01:02:55.546 --> 01:02:58.546
runs pretty parallel to Annie herself,

1350
01:02:58.674 --> 01:03:01.582
where he put on the suit

1351
01:03:02.202 --> 01:03:05.082
and every, like,

1352
01:03:05.162 --> 01:03:07.850
it's never been the same. He's never been the same.

1353
01:03:07.946 --> 01:03:10.902
His relationships with his siblings,

1354
01:03:11.402 --> 01:03:14.030
his parents, it's just very,

1355
01:03:14.166 --> 01:03:15.282
very different.

1356
01:03:17.242 --> 01:03:19.914
and they're showing that again in this episode because

1357
01:03:19.978 --> 01:03:22.530
he manages to give over the

1358
01:03:22.586 --> 01:03:25.356
footage, to Annie and Huey.

1359
01:03:25.484 --> 01:03:28.272
That proves that the,

1360
01:03:29.452 --> 01:03:30.912
what do they call them?

1361
01:03:31.972 --> 01:03:33.516
>> Will: Home fronters or home runners.

1362
01:03:33.604 --> 01:03:36.140
>> Sarah : The home runners that were killed in the first

1363
01:03:36.196 --> 01:03:38.964
episode, were killed actually

1364
01:03:39.108 --> 01:03:40.192
miles away.

1365
01:03:41.932 --> 01:03:44.740
So I like that

1366
01:03:44.796 --> 01:03:47.504
moment. and I can appreciate how

1367
01:03:47.884 --> 01:03:50.796
they're also doing that in a very subtle way

1368
01:03:50.900 --> 01:03:53.372
where he's not a main character

1369
01:03:53.508 --> 01:03:56.384
yet he's moving forward.

1370
01:03:56.520 --> 01:03:59.406
and I just don't feel like

1371
01:03:59.470 --> 01:04:02.186
they figured out how to do that with

1372
01:04:02.350 --> 01:04:04.134
the boys characters,

1373
01:04:05.190 --> 01:04:06.984
as much as they have with

1374
01:04:08.324 --> 01:04:10.844
the seven, characters.

1375
01:04:11.464 --> 01:04:14.044
>> Will: Yeah, I would agree with. I mean,

1376
01:04:14.344 --> 01:04:17.264
I agree with you with Hughie. I, ah, do feel like he was

1377
01:04:17.304 --> 01:04:20.210
kind of adrift. with these first

1378
01:04:20.282 --> 01:04:22.970
episodes, I was like, I'm not feeling where to go with Hughie on

1379
01:04:23.002 --> 01:04:25.840
this. Annie. You're right. I think

1380
01:04:25.872 --> 01:04:28.832
Annie and a train are kind of on a parallel track

1381
01:04:28.968 --> 01:04:31.920
as far as just for different, for

1382
01:04:31.952 --> 01:04:34.564
different reasons. But they have become.

1383
01:04:35.784 --> 01:04:38.552
Annie's not. She's done with

1384
01:04:38.568 --> 01:04:41.384
vault a train. I think he,

1385
01:04:41.544 --> 01:04:44.496
he, he's evolving and he's softening and he's,

1386
01:04:44.520 --> 01:04:46.920
you know, he will do things like, you know, he did appreciate

1387
01:04:46.992 --> 01:04:49.604
what Annie and Huey did.

1388
01:04:51.574 --> 01:04:54.388
>> Will: Whenever, they could have like, you know, busted him when, he

1389
01:04:54.396 --> 01:04:57.354
was, whenever he was there talking to his nephews

1390
01:04:57.394 --> 01:05:00.316
and it's his brother, but

1391
01:05:00.340 --> 01:05:03.340
he didn't. So, so, yeah,

1392
01:05:03.372 --> 01:05:06.364
so, you know, so we're seeing the evolution of, of a

1393
01:05:06.404 --> 01:05:09.144
train to, you know, foresee him

1394
01:05:09.184 --> 01:05:12.064
flipping at some point. If it's not this season, he probably,

1395
01:05:12.104 --> 01:05:13.364
definitely will next season.

1396
01:05:14.624 --> 01:05:17.608
>> Sarah : Yeah. It's just I think what they're proving

1397
01:05:17.696 --> 01:05:20.608
with Annie is very hard to

1398
01:05:20.656 --> 01:05:23.424
cut that tie with vought, especially

1399
01:05:23.504 --> 01:05:26.376
in being, a member of the seven. And that's all, you

1400
01:05:26.408 --> 01:05:29.396
know, like, by the end of it, he'll

1401
01:05:29.436 --> 01:05:32.140
definitely either be dead or

1402
01:05:32.228 --> 01:05:35.222
have left vought. but

1403
01:05:35.254 --> 01:05:37.682
we'll see, if he can get away with quiet, ah,

1404
01:05:38.040 --> 01:05:40.036
retirement like Lady Maeve.

1405
01:05:41.216 --> 01:05:43.924
>> Will: I m mean as firecracker. The obvious analogy

1406
01:05:43.970 --> 01:05:46.408
for, ah, Jubilee and

1407
01:05:46.432 --> 01:05:46.996
her.

1408
01:05:47.576 --> 01:05:49.236
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah,

1409
01:05:50.696 --> 01:05:51.516
yeah.

1410
01:05:54.426 --> 01:05:56.606
>> Sarah : I wonder, I am curious

1411
01:05:57.306 --> 01:06:00.298
when we watch the third episode because the first three were

1412
01:06:00.322 --> 01:06:02.954
all dropped at once if our opinions

1413
01:06:03.130 --> 01:06:05.690
will change about these first two

1414
01:06:05.738 --> 01:06:07.646
episodes just because

1415
01:06:08.426 --> 01:06:09.326
typically,

1416
01:06:12.106 --> 01:06:14.762
they do that because it's like one

1417
01:06:14.834 --> 01:06:16.446
story arc.

1418
01:06:18.206 --> 01:06:20.908
but, So I'm just curious about that.

1419
01:06:21.100 --> 01:06:24.060
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like I said, I mean, it was

1420
01:06:24.076 --> 01:06:26.826
a solid, it was a good start. but as I was

1421
01:06:26.874 --> 01:06:29.228
watching it, the edge, the

1422
01:06:29.568 --> 01:06:32.472
satirical edge and holding up a mirror to things.

1423
01:06:32.520 --> 01:06:35.344
And then very clear in his

1424
01:06:35.376 --> 01:06:38.224
statements about this fourth season, especially with people

1425
01:06:38.256 --> 01:06:41.200
are calling it woke garbage and that kind of stuff, he's like, well, yeah, you know,

1426
01:06:41.224 --> 01:06:43.768
I'm just call it what it is. I mean,

1427
01:06:43.848 --> 01:06:46.708
Homelanders Trump, but,

1428
01:06:46.954 --> 01:06:49.910
but I think, you know, and that's what, you know. So I

1429
01:06:49.934 --> 01:06:52.654
think some people are like,

1430
01:06:52.806 --> 01:06:55.430
like, oh, yeah, you

1431
01:06:55.454 --> 01:06:58.430
know, I get it now. You know,

1432
01:06:58.494 --> 01:07:01.435
they don't like, you know, it is holding up the

1433
01:07:01.451 --> 01:07:03.194
mirror. When I watched this show, it,

1434
01:07:04.357 --> 01:07:07.229
Eric Ripke talked about how they started writing the show, like,

1435
01:07:07.253 --> 01:07:10.109
in 2021, but it's still. But I was like,

1436
01:07:10.133 --> 01:07:12.925
did I like, go back and do ADR and like put some updated

1437
01:07:12.981 --> 01:07:15.693
references and, you know, where they can dub it, where it

1438
01:07:15.725 --> 01:07:18.637
fits because it just feels like it's so, you know, so

1439
01:07:18.717 --> 01:07:21.451
on point. and maybe,

1440
01:07:21.619 --> 01:07:24.419
you know, you know, and it's always, you know, we've talked

1441
01:07:24.443 --> 01:07:27.369
about this before. I mean, it's always been on the news about a lot

1442
01:07:27.393 --> 01:07:30.097
of things, but it just really, this season really definitely is,

1443
01:07:30.137 --> 01:07:32.457
like, on the news with a lot of

1444
01:07:32.537 --> 01:07:35.489
the commentary that is. That it's

1445
01:07:35.513 --> 01:07:38.185
holding up. And so, you know, some viewers

1446
01:07:38.321 --> 01:07:41.305
can get it and still enjoy it and some people

1447
01:07:41.361 --> 01:07:43.953
can't. And they're like, review bombing it and

1448
01:07:44.025 --> 01:07:47.001
everything. But, But I. At the end of

1449
01:07:47.009 --> 01:07:49.677
the day, I mean, I think it's still a good show.

1450
01:07:49.894 --> 01:07:52.722
but I think that some of the things that we called

1451
01:07:52.770 --> 01:07:55.554
out this evening, as far as some of the story choices and some of the plot

1452
01:07:55.586 --> 01:07:58.338
armor with some of these characters does require it to, like, end next

1453
01:07:58.378 --> 01:08:01.306
year because we can only. We can only have this kind of

1454
01:08:01.322 --> 01:08:04.178
thing go for so much, so many episodes

1455
01:08:04.218 --> 01:08:07.140
longer before Homelander and. And, butcher

1456
01:08:07.164 --> 01:08:09.764
have their final confrontation. Or, you know,

1457
01:08:09.836 --> 01:08:12.372
Ryan will probably be. End up being the one taking

1458
01:08:12.420 --> 01:08:15.214
Homelander out because they. And they're making

1459
01:08:15.326 --> 01:08:17.950
Brian the character that

1460
01:08:18.134 --> 01:08:20.418
black Noir was in the comic book,

1461
01:08:20.838 --> 01:08:23.518
who actually was. Yeah, because Ryan. Well, the comic black

1462
01:08:23.558 --> 01:08:26.418
noir was actually Homelanders clone in the comic book.

1463
01:08:27.918 --> 01:08:28.698
Yeah.

1464
01:08:30.758 --> 01:08:33.502
>> Sarah : Yeah. Well, I'm gonna.

1465
01:08:33.630 --> 01:08:36.342
I'm not gonna give judgment on the season because

1466
01:08:36.430 --> 01:08:38.958
if recollection serves me, I feel

1467
01:08:38.998 --> 01:08:41.424
like I always have.

1468
01:08:41.878 --> 01:08:44.538
it's hard to jump back into the boys.

1469
01:08:45.264 --> 01:08:47.792
and they do a lot of callbacks towards the end.

1470
01:08:47.848 --> 01:08:50.448
So. So they don't

1471
01:08:50.496 --> 01:08:53.360
necessarily really start off strong, but they end

1472
01:08:53.432 --> 01:08:55.804
strong. So we'll just.

1473
01:08:56.184 --> 01:08:59.136
We'll see what happens. And on that note, Will, why don't you tell

1474
01:08:59.160 --> 01:09:01.124
our listeners where they can find you?

1475
01:09:01.424 --> 01:09:03.336
>> Will: Yes, you can find me at will and

1476
01:09:03.360 --> 01:09:06.060
polkwilm. P o l

1477
01:09:06.092 --> 01:09:07.708
K. You can find.

1478
01:09:07.756 --> 01:09:10.530
>> Sarah : Me on X, formally known, as Twitter.

1479
01:09:10.530 --> 01:09:13.410
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1480
01:09:13.442 --> 01:09:16.282
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1481
01:09:16.298 --> 01:09:19.002
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1482
01:09:19.058 --> 01:09:21.322
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1483
01:09:21.378 --> 01:09:24.090
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1484
01:09:24.202 --> 01:09:26.850
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1485
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1486
01:09:29.690 --> 01:09:30.434
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