The Final Discussion of Marvel's Echo on Sarah and Will's 7th Anniversary on Scene N’ Nerd!

Saturday will be seven years since the release of our first podcast

>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is Scene N  nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are you doing tonight, will?

>> Will: Doing very well. Happy 7th anniversary.

>> Sarah : Yes. I was going to say something about that, and then as I started the intro, I completely forgot.

>> Will: Well, you brought it up, I guess a couple of weeks ago that it was coming, and then I looked at the calendar, I was just like, wow. Saturday will be seven years to the date of release of our first podcast together.

>> Sarah : It's always weird to me because I feel as though every year, I think, always the first recording in January, but it's not. It confuses me. And looking back retrospectively, I know why it's at the end of the month, but it's just funny. but yeah, it's been seven years.

>> Will: Yeah. As far as published. I know I did that try out with you and, one of your former co host, I guess that prior December, but I always like to use the official published one, as our anniversary date.

>> Sarah : Oh, yeah, that was a very different show at that time. seven years.

Did you watch the Avatar live action trailer? I did. And not the 2010 one, just to be clear

All right, to get us started tonight, I didn't watch this, because I'm trying to go into it blind. I feel as though I did watch one of the first trailers for it, just like a little bit, but not really paying too much of close attention. But, did you watch the avatar, the last air vendor live action trailer?

>> Will: I did. And not the 2010 one, just to be clear. This is the one coming to Netflix next month. And, it was pretty cool, actually.

>> Sarah : Sorry. Just the idea that somebody would think that I'm asking about a trailer for a movie that came out in 2010, it just got me.

>> Will: Yeah, I just bring that up because I just want to make sure people are clear.

>> Sarah : Yeah, but still, it's not like we're talking about a movie called. That we're talking about. Yeah. Anyway, so you did watch it. How did you like it?

>> Will: First of all, I have to give Netflix credit because they had this really cool lead up to the trailer, where, it was, sort of like a role playing thing, where one of the characters was on a quest and it was like, I guess dropped about an hour before the drop of the trailer. I guess this is Wednesday, Tuesday or Wednesday of this week. But anyway, but they had the various quests for the different elements that you would go through and, to pull in the map and you would assemble the map and it led up to the trailer itself, which the trailer itself I super enjoyed it. I'm familiar with Avatar. My kids watched the, show when they were younger and casually watched it. So I'm not steeped in the, mythology and the story and stuff. I'm aware of the four elements and the sort of general, story as far as about the various benders with the elements and all. but yeah, it looks like I'm looking forward to this live action adaptation. And, hopefully it goes the way that we went with one piece, last year where, we had something that was adapted from anime to live action. And it was very well received. So that's my thoughts on the trailer.

>> Sarah : Yeah, and we will be breaking that down starting at the end of February, so be on the lookout for that.

The other trailer that, um, I did watch about less than an hour ago

The other trailer that, I did watch about less than an hour ago because they'll send it to me and I just laughed the entire time.

>> Will: But that's actually what I discovered, felt. I just. I happened to see it, and I sent it to you and I was like, let me quickly add this to the rundown.

>> Sarah : So what we're talking about is, calamity Jane trailer starring, Emily Bette Ricard. And it looks like Stephen Amella is in it, but it kind of sounds like he gets killed. And that's why she's on her revenge. yeah, this doesn't look good. Doesn't look good. so that is to sum up my thought on this. Yeah, this doesn't look good.

>> Will: Yeah. Well, I guess it's notable in the sense that, of course, we have a lot of folks who have been along with us on this journey for the last seven years who were arrowverse fans and fans of the show arrow. And this is the first time since the show ended, well, four years ago now, that, they've been on screen together. So. Yeah, so she's playing calamity Jane. Steven is, wild Bill Hitchcock. And, obviously, these are, real life people. I guess they've adapted their story into this, film that, is coming out, on February 2. Both, theatrical and I guess the trailer had it digital on Tubi, which is one of the streaming services. it'll be, in theaters in your area. And also, if you just want to just watch it at home on streaming.

>> Sarah : Yeah.

Did you watch the roadhouse trailer? I have not. Um, it looks so bad. I don't know how they got Jake Gyll

Did you watch the roadhouse trailer?

>> Will: I have not. I was planning on.

>> Sarah : Oh, really?

>> Will: Yeah, I was planning on it, but, I was like, I hadn't had a chance to yet.

>> Sarah : Yeah. it looks so bad. I don't know how they got Jake Gyllenhaal to do.

>> Will: It's.

>> Sarah : It looks like a made for.

>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

>> Sarah : Like so low budget. I mean, it's not as low budget as clementity Jane, and I'm never going to be able to say that. but. But it looks very low budget and they spent all their money on it's. And watching the trailer. You've just watched the.

>> Will: Well, I mean, if I want to watch Roadhouse, I could just turn on YouTube tv, or if you still have cable, it's going to be on somewhere because the original is always on.

The director of Roadhouse is upset that the film didn't get a theatrical release

but I did, interestingly enough, even though I haven't watched the trailer, I did happen to see the news about how the director of the new Amazon prime series, was very upset that, this version of Roadhouse did not get a theatrical release. And going straight to you, what you said, I can understand why that it went straight to streaming and not Amazon's like, nope, we're not putting this on theater and losing a bunch of money.

>> Sarah : What do you mean? new Amazon director.

>> Will: Yeah. So I think this roadhouse is streaming. It's not going to,

>> Sarah : M. Right, no, I understand that.

>> Will: Yeah. But. Yeah, so he was the director.

>> Sarah : Okay.

>> Will: Yeah. The director is pissed off that Amazon is not giving it a theatrical release.

>> Sarah : This is a movie, it's not a tv show.

>> Will: Right.

>> Sarah : Okay.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : See, it's our seven year anniversary, and I'm just very confused as what we're talking about today.

>> Will: I don't know, your first time listening to us. This is how our new segment go, y'all.

>> Sarah : This is apparently because I'm listening, I swear. But I don't know what is happening. that is it for the news.

Is there anything you want to talk about that you've been watching lately

Will, is there anything you want to talk about that you've been watching lately?

>> Will: I did watch the first episode of Zorro that was also on Amazon. it was okay. It was fine. I haven't gone back to it. I probably will at some point, but, it was produced in Spain and, ah, it's one of those shows that is better to watch it in the original language instead of turning on the, dubbing with English, because if you do, then it just loses all the flavor and it's just like a really bad old kung, fu theater film. yeah, it was a fresh take on that character. and I like the way that they sort of set up the universe as far as blending some of the elements that we're going to get into here with echo here in a moment where, you did have some respect given to some of the native american and indigenous people, in California at the time. but then, of course, you have this new Zoro who shows up, and how that all sort of goes into, him trying to discover, what happened to someone in his family. I thought it was, like I said, it was a good start. I've just gotten busy with things this week and I hadn't had a chance to go back to it. But, I'll definitely finish it out.

>> Sarah : you better, because you were making a pitch for us to cover it.

>> Will: I was. It was definitely one of those shows I think I would just like. Ah, as you noted, some things are just for casual viewing and some things are here for the pod. And this is definitely one I would say is more casual viewing.

>> Sarah : Yeah. there are only so many things that will. Can force me to watch.

>> Will: Yeah, it gets even funnier, too, because you thought I was trying to push for us to watch to discuss marrying, my husband, which I was like, no, that's also one I was going to keep on my casual watch list. Not one for the podcast.

>> Sarah : yeah. All right. Is that it?

>> Will: Unless you have something you discovered recently. Okay.

>> Sarah : Not really. Not this week. No.

Bonnie: I felt disappointed with Echo because I thought it had potential

Okay, so let's get into echo, which neither will or I have thought about since we finished watching the fifth episode.

>> Sarah : Yeah. Will, why don't you start off? What are your thoughts on the last three episodes?

>> Will: Wow. Yeah. So good night, everybody. Our thoughts on Echo was just something by sarah. No, it was fine. It really was. And I know before we started recording, I kind of joked that I'm done with superheroes for a bit. And I don't know if it's because of, just recency let down by this show or if it's just, I just need to, need a little break from Marvel and the DC world for a moment. It. Which is probably good that they're spreading things out, this year. because I just felt like this show had so much potential.

>> Will: It had so much potential. It really did. And I will say that we're discussing episode three two five tonight. And I will say that this third episode was really the first time I really connected with the character. But at the same time, I don't know if it was the editing. I don't know if it was the story choices that were made as far as they were trying to convey how distant and arm's, length that Maya was trying to keep everyone, as far as her family away, if the goal of the story and the direction. And for us as viewers to step into Maya's shoes as far as being detached and not emotionally invested in the rest of their family and everything, then they succeeded. because that's how I felt with all five episodes. I just never felt emotionally invested in this story and in the supporting characters. Which is really sad, because, as we talked about last week, I love the storytelling that they were doing with the indigenous, chocolate Indians and Native Americans. And there's so many elements there that they could have woven through. I mean, they did try to do the whole matriarchal weaving through with each opening of four to five episodes and all that. but I don't know. I just felt disappointed that Marvel had a potential for a really outstanding series here. And either due to budgeting or just. They just are, unsure of what direction they want to go in these days. And unsure of what this show was supposed to be, then I think, it undermined what could have been a very special project.

>> Sarah : Yeah. I don't know if I would say I'm let down or disappointed in this show, because, honestly, it probably met expectations. Because I wasn't going into the show thinking, like, it would be a standout. and it would blow me away. I know. High expectations. I had low expectations. And it's not like they exceeded them, by any means. I'm just, like, underwhelmed by everything the show had to. And I. What I noticed throughout the last three episodes, because this is when we got. Fisk is. Fisk is a fascinating character. but even he felt underdeveloped in this show, which I think is just par for the course. Because I understand that it's not that they wanted us to feel like what you were saying about that detachment. Because what we were supposed to understand is all goes back to Fisk and just how we were supposed to understand how Maya has been holding on to this grudge and this pain of feeling as though, as a young girl, they blamed her for her mom's death and her father for her mom's death. And were kicked out of the family and of their home in Oklahoma. And then her father starts working for Fisk again. And, she ends up meeting Fisk. And even after his death, Fisk is. They. He started the manipulation, the grooming way early on for. And so it made sense to me why Maya was behaving the way she was towards her family. But what was still underdeveloped were two things that I think really missed this show. being captivating and emotionally charged was that you still don't quite understand the grandma and the grandpa. Like, the family's perspective of Maya and that, like, we hardly spent any time with Bonnie.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : I also still don't really understand why she's a cousin. But she's not, like, who? Who else is she? The daughter of. I don't get it. I don't understand how she's a cousin. Just saying. I also don't quite understand Fisk. And we never really got a good moment of why. Like, there should have been an episode told through Fisk's perspective. Yeah, there should have been. And at the end, from what I understand, what I've heard is, basically what she does to him is to free in his mind, free that pain that he's been holding on so that he could, quote, unquote, become a better person. Yeah, m. I don't know if that silence was because, like, no, that's not right. But I'm pretty.

>> Will: No, I completely agree with you.

>> Sarah : But it's still because we don't really understand, fiscal motivation for his love. And at one point, he even gives Maya the hammer to kill him. He will not hurt her. Which I understood. Now. I understood that, but I still don't quite understand why not. He would hurt everyone else. What was his end game here? I kind of want to understand what was his end m game with capturing the grandma at that point, was he like, okay, gloves are off. I will beat your ass. but would he kill her? I don't know. There's a lot of that. At the end of the day, these two forces of her family in Oklahoma and Fisk, we're not fully understanding their behavior towards Maya. And that's why I feel like, overall, this is an undercooked show, unfortunately.

>> Will: Yeah, those are all excellent points.

There were elements of the show that just didn't flow for me

and that's where, I guess, where I was going to, from a different perspective, in that I felt where I was just kind of let down because there were just a lot of elements that if they had, like. Because originally, this show was supposed to be six episodes, and it cut it back to five. And this is one of those things where we've talked about this with other. The Miss marble, for example, where, for whatever reason, they chopped some key points. They chopped it for time or whatever, and in doing so, it undercooks certain aspects. Like you were saying, what's this motivation for m Maya, as far as Bonnie and Maya's relationship, and they had, just a few moments of exposition, as far as, like, you didn't write me. Know, you went, you know, what's Henry's motivations for mean? That was another thing, because I was like, whenever I think in the second episode, I was like, now is he going to be the heel? whenever Maya returns to Oklahoma, he's also working for Fisk. Is he going to be the. It was kind of ambiguous as far as what the relationship was there. But then, of course, in the third episode, we see that, oh, no, the fiscal gang is tying him up and stuff, and he's going to help Maya, out.

>> Sarah : You thought Henry was going to turn in Maya, clear. Who was going to turn in.

>> Will: I mean, they tried to make it ambiguous.

>> Sarah : I don't agree.

>> Will: They tried.

>> Will: That's just my perspective. I'm just saying, you saw what I took it. They were trying to make it ambiguous. And there were just, elements of it that, there were elements of his character development, or lack thereof, that just didn't flow. right.

>> Sarah : Because I just think that his character was very flawed, but not in a good flawed character way. It's just, to your point, he works for Fisk, his granddaughter, who. He. Or not his granddaughter. Sorry, his niece, who comes into town he knows, shot fisk there. Okay, you got to protect your niece, or you got to turn her in. And you try to protect your niece, but you don't really do at all a good job. probably because you haven't talked in forever. I think they could have done more with. And you could say this about so many of her family members. Why didn't he go to, And I think she does say this at once. Why didn't you come and get me? My father died. You left me. So there could have been more. Just thinking out loud. I think that with these family characters, we never fully get their perspective. And a lot of it's told through Maya's perspective, but it's not enough to fully get invested in these side characters and in terms of their complications with having Maya back home. because you can say the same thing about grandma. The scene where Maya finally comes and talks to grandma was nice, but it didn't get to me. I really didn't understand why she started breaking down, crying. I was like, okay, what's going on here? And I still don't feel like there's so much incompleteness to it all. Was that a full conversation, or did we just walk out halfway through? I don't feel like we have any closure. Just, I think, to your point, with Henry, it's very similar to grandma, who, had a good outline of what role she would play in this story. But I think overall, it wasn't effective because she wasn't a fully fleshed out character. Yeah, you could say that about a lot of. Not only the characters, but a lot of elements of this show. and it is kind of annoying because of the inclusivity that this show brings to the MCU, to Disney.

There's an old ABC family show called Switch at Birth that does sign language

Plus, I've mentioned this show a few times. I don't know if Will is going to remember the show that I'm going to bring up, but it's my go to show when we talk about sign language is there's an old ABC family show called Switch at Birth. I watched it. It's a great show. Very weird premise. Great show. I believe there's at least one or two episodes fully done in sign language, subtitles and all. You don't hear any talking. And so that's. It's just sad because they did such a good job with the signing, and, they killed the interpreter. I personally, when I saw that scene, I was like, that's Will's fault. Will called when that scene happened, and she's walking away. I'm like, oh, they're going to kill her. How do they let her go? She's just been privy to all of this information, which Matt. It's so funny anyways.

>> Will: Yeah, but I, ah, laughed when I got the show notes from you, and you had the, thing, about these secured, the technology for sign and whatnot.

Having characters with disabilities brings more creativity to superhero fights, M. M.

Again, that's one of the elements of the show that I did, like, because I feel like I've been bashing on it here for the last few minutes. the thing about Fisk and some of the elements that they did develop with him, and even Maya calls him out on it. You never learned how to sign. And instead of taking the time to learn american sign language, he just comes up with another disposable thing, in a sense, with his tech and putting the contact in her eye and all that kind of stuff, so he could see the computer generated stuff. but it was a disposable thing, just like the interpreters, and it just really was a good illumination into him as a character and how he just treats people as commodities or just things that could be disposed of when their usefulness is gone.

>> Sarah : Yeah. I think also what people forget about having characters who have disabilities is that, honestly, it makes, a genre like a comic book tv show that we've seen so many, whether it's in short form in form of a movie, or long form, in form of a tv show. but now you have a disability at play with your hero. And so the way they fight is they have to be more creative.

>> Will: M.

>> Sarah : It, brings more creativity to the overall production itself, where I thought he was giving her something to knock her out, and then you realize, oh, he put something in her eye. Oh, I get it now. It's technology. It's so lazy. Like, my God, what the heck? But that's actually really.

>> Will: Yeah. And also, I, think to your point, like when, Henry and Bonnie, whenever they were in the roller rink with, Zane and using the sign language there to really communicate what was going on. So those are good uses of showing how you can adapt and how people with disabilities adapt to situations.

>> Sarah : can I point out one thing about that roller rink, scene and what you just brought up about the amazing sign language? Let's be honest, Henry could have just told Bonie what was going on. the stupid people who were holding them hostage wouldn't have even figured that out. Like, he could have no idea what was going on. I don't even think they've ever shot a gun in their life the way they were holding those. And I think this goes back to last week when I kept bringing up daredevil again. You have a hero who's blind. And between what I've seen Daredevil and some of the other Netflix shows do in the past, in terms of fight sequences, they nailed that here, too. Like, the roller ring sequence was a great fight sequence. As know. I find it fascinating how a lot of the bigger movies or temp pole shows I've seen from Marvel, and arguably, it's the fighting is the least creative from my perspective. And yet a street level, hero like echo or they or Punisher, their fighting just feels so much. And it might have to do with the lack of superhero powers, just because, I'll admit, the worst kind of, quote unquote fight sequence, arguably, is at the end when everyone powers up. It's silly and it just feels gimmicky. But when she is combative, hand to hand, fisk, combat. I think that's why I've always been impressed with any fight sequence with Fisk, because his strength is literally his power, quote, unquote, among other things. But it feels so much more brutal. I wonder if they're going to lean into that more with some of the heroes, that we're expected seeing within the next few years.

Will: This show is confused about what tone it wanted to go

but here's my question for you, will.

>> Will: Yeah.

>> Sarah : And I couldn't help but think about this all, ah, Sunday afternoon, the 3 hours I was watching Echo. Why the heck is this rated r?

>> Will: That's a good mean. Other than gets back to my earlier point, I don't know. This show is confused about what tone it wanted to go. Yeah. speaking of the roller rink, the only scene in this whole show where I felt like it may come close to earning that was whenever, Vicky was shot. Yeah. because even with Fisk, whenever he beat down the hawk dog vendor, I was just, ah, I mean, we saw that in the trailer. and there was really nothing else in here that really warranted a tv.

>> Sarah : Ma, in my opinion, couldn't be edited around to make it not rated r. It was weird to me how I think one of the, not a teaser, but something to get the viewers was, this is our DC Disney plus show. And we're watching and we're like. It was certainly.

>> Will: Yeah, it was. It was a complete marketing felt when it gets down to the. The whole TvMa was just then you got to fill out your Disney plus code to be able to watch it. It was a complete marketing thing just to try to get viewers in. because like I said, other than the Vicky scene, all the other stuff, you see that, like in tv 14 or whatever, what's the next level down from TVMA? it wasn't that brutal. but speaking to your point about things moving forward, I did see where they did hire the, I think the fight court choreographer from the daredevil and all the Marvel Netflix series shows to come to do some work. I think with, daredevil, ah, born again since they have resumed production this week. so we'll probably start to your point about some of the fight choreography that really stands out. we'll probably see more of that, in the next few Marvel spotlight programs. as far as with Daredevil and anything else that may come in this.

I thought the opening sequence of the third episode was too long

>> Sarah : so with these episodes, we talked last week about how they were doing this thing where the episode opens with kind of flashback to a previous ancestor in Maya's line. And, episode three's opening was done very differently because it was a very old school picture show opening sequence, with Tuklu's ah, story. what were your thoughts about that picture? Ah, show? Jarring.

>> Will: I didn't like it. I thought it was too gimmicky.

>> Sarah : Yeah.

>> Will: And it went too long.

>> Sarah : Fair.

>> Will: They could have used that time to develop grandma and bias story, it just went too long, and it was very gimmicky. That was the one. The first two. Okay. I was like, I bought the stick ball. I bought those. This one just felt like, yeah, I've already said what I felt like. It felt, yeah.

>> Sarah : In the moment, I was just like, oh, this is creative. But to your point, it went on way too long. Way too long to be interesting. And then it got what?

>> Will: Yeah, I was going to say, is this echo story or is this, like, this ancestor? I get the point that. Yes. And it all ties together there at the end, where when Maya and grandma do talk and the mother talk and the echo, I get it. It did tie together. But I just thought that beginning of the third episode went a bit long. And even, quite frankly, even the fourth one with Fisk and Maya, whenever, she was a child, I thought went a bit.

>> Sarah : Yeah, I think a lot of the opening stuff went a bit long. but that one just stood out to me because it was so different from the other ones in terms of it was all black and white. They were doing a play on a picture show, and, I mean, kind of creatively cool, too, because, you don't hear anything. It's not a talkie.

>> Will: I did appreciate that.

>> Sarah : I appreciate what they were doing. Again, like most things I have talked about, it wasn't quite 100% effective. but, talking about this and talking about, american sign language just reminded me of. I did watch, the movie. That's one of the movies that was nominated for a lot of oscars, or a few oscars, and it's been in award season, but anatomy of a fall, it's the foreign movie. but, the brief summary of the movie is, well, it takes place in France, I believe in France. And, this woman, this writer is accused of killing her husband because he falls. And there's no witnesses and there's nothing, like, the police are investigating. Like, okay, well, what happened? And it just talks about her. And her son is blind. Okay, again, you have a quote unquote witness, but he can't see. and he's also very young, so how liable is he in terms of what he says about his dad, his mom, and what happened that day of the fall? and it goes on too long, but I think it definitely could have shaved, like, 20 to 30 minutes off of that movie. But it goes into some very interesting, marital dynamics and just issues. anyways, that's a random art house foreign movie that it just is, like I said before, sometimes when you have characters in these movies or in these shows with disabilities, the creative choices of explaining the story or being able to back these characters to a wall or, write these characters to a wall that they have to get out of with these disabilities, it opens up a lot of creative freedom.

>> Will: Yeah.

Max: Certain things were under baked as far as the characters

To that point, with Maya in her prosthetic leg, not only is she, deaf, but she's also, because of the accident, she lost use of her right leg without the prosthetic, at least in the third episode, where, again, she became very resourceful by having the knife in the boot, so that when, you know, you know, she. She used that disadvantage to an advantage whenever it was time to. Whenever she got tied up. to your point, it does allow for some creative storytelling as far as instead of using brute strength to get out of a situation, it's like, okay, ah, here's what I can do to get out of this. And then I did have the little almost MacGyverism moment, where she was using the, tools and stuff in the roller rink, with the laser pointer and stuff to take out the, people there holding them. captivity in the rink. Like I said, they're always nice elements in the. Just certain things went too long where they could have been cut. Certain things were under baked as far as the characters. And the thing that really pissed me off, quite frankly, at the end was grandpa was not at the cookout at the end. I liked the grandpa. Ah, but it gets to. But I was like, man, see, this is what's wrong with this show. As I was watching that whole sequence, I was like, they just undercooked these relationships with these people, even though they tried to. They entered the element, know, grandma and grandpa being separated. right. and I guess we're supposed to infer because of what happened, all those years ago when Maya's mother was killed. that was the breaking point. But again, just like, oh, we'll just throw this in here. They're estranged.

>> Sarah : Yeah. I'm kind of with you, though, what you said at the very beginning where I don't know if it's just like, I need a break, but I'm glad that we're not getting another comic book genre, show or movie for a little bit this year. just because last year, there's so much. And I think even from. Based on what I've seen in the show, some of the directors and producers are kind of also burnt out on know and not giving these stories enough love and attention to make them as good as what the product that we've been given in the past. So I think overall, Disney's strategy specifically this year in terms of the MCU, shows and movies we're going to get is very needed. And I hope it just sets us up for an even more awesome 2025. but I am looking forward to. Because for listeners, we did talk a lot about what we're going to cover. And so next week, we're going to kick off reacher season two, and then we're going all in on the spies. And then after next week, we're going to add on Mr. And Mrs. Smith, the new Amazon show. So we're going from Disney, plus we're going over to Amazon, and then by the end of February, we're going to start to add on Netflix with last airbrender. And by the end of March, is it three bodies, one problem?

>> Will: Three body show? Yeah, three bodies. The three body problem, yeah.

>> Sarah : Okay. I was about to say, like the opposite. Like the one body, three problems. But I find it interesting that we started off this year with Disney plus now we're headed over to Amazon for a few shows, and then we're going to head over to, Netflix for a few shows. Where it makes me want to think at the end of this year, when we go through our top five lists of whatever, if we're going to be taking notes enough to be able to say, okay, out of all the streaming services, who won? Because it might end up being a battle. I mean, Max is going to have some offerings soon enough, and you never know where the third and fourth quarter will take us. We're getting out of this genre to an extent because, let's face it, Reacher is a little bit of his own real life. superhero, is ripped.

>> Will: Yeah, for real. And we will touch a little bit of superhero stuff again, but in the Amazon world, because we did get the part. two of Invincible, will also return in, so. And we'll figure out where we're going to squeeze that. Yeah.

Any ending thoughts on Maya before we head out of here

>> Sarah : All right. Any ending thoughts on Maya before we head out of here?

>> Will: No, I think, we pretty covered it pretty well tonight. like I said, it was a series with a lot of potential. and maybe we'll see, the way that the show ended, with kingpin, getting the idea to run for mayor in the end credit there. maybe that'll lead into daredevil born again. I'm not familiar with. I will freely admit I never read the comic book adaptation or comic book version of that storyline, so I don't know if he runs from Marinette or not, but at least it was teased in the end of Echo here. So maybe we'll see Maya again, in that show, when it finishes up production, which apparently they've cut back on that whole 18 episode run that they were talking about to something shorter. So we'll see.

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>> Sarah : on that note, will, why don't you tell our listeners where they can find you?

>> Will: Yes, you can find me, on Twitter, also known as X, at willmpolk. Willmmpolk.

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