Lilia's Journey in Agatha All Along Ep 7 & The Penguin's Episode 6 Shocking Twist!

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>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with me,

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as always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Will Polk. How are you doing

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tonight, Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. Happy Tuesday evening to you.

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>> Sarah : Tuesday and next week is election

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day.

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>> Will: Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Make sure you go

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vote, vote your conscience. I'm not going to tell

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you how you should vote or anything, but, it is a very

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important election. So both for

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presidential race as well as in many

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states around the country, big races.

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So exercise, your constitutional right. I

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early voted this past Sunday. Felt so good.

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>> Sarah : Are, ah, we going to record on election day?

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>> Will: I was going to talk to you about that. I was thinking maybe we should

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either do it the night before, or if the Republic

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is still standing, we could do it the night after.

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>> Sarah : that is, the Will Super Bowl. So

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people go support.

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>> Will: Yeah. Ah, because Good Lord. By Panthers

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probably. You know, at this rate, it'll probably be

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celebrating our 30th anniversary and it'll probably

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be 30 years before they show up in the super

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bowl again.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: Oh, gosh.

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>> Sarah : Every now and then I see your. Your tweets

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about football, and I just think to myself,

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there was a time growing up like, I have three

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brothers. In case listeners are new,

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I'm very well aware of football. I've

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been a fan of football. I was a big fan of the

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Colts back in the day with Peyton Manning

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and, that. It's a beautiful thing,

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yet it is so, so hard.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Like, even. Even now, every now

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and then I think I've casually

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watched maybe the super bowl or something,

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and I'm not even technically a

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fan. And yet I, in my gut, I'm like,

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oh, I want this team to win. And then as the

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tides change, I'm like, dear Lord, no, no. And I'm

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like, why am I so invested? It's. It's the most

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bizarre experience.

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>> Will: Oh, yeah. Well, that's the great thing about sport. To me. There

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was not, like, there was a game Sunday

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evening, the Commanders and the, Bears,

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and it was like a Hail Mary and,

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you know, got tipped and the, and the

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Chicago player was like, taunting the fans. And then he was

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like realizing, oh, my God, it's a Hail Mary, like, ran back

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over, but by then it got tipped and the Washington player

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caught it and it was just like, everybody just erupted. I don't. I don't even

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like Washington, but I was like, holy, that was a

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play. So.

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>> Sarah : Right, right. Like, you don't,

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Honestly, sometimes it doesn't

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matter who made the play. It's just like, if it's a good play,

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it's a good play. It's just like, oh, yay, these

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two rival teams are playing each other, yet the game is

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boring.

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You just, at the end of the day, honestly

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just want a good game. Exactly

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as emotional of a roller coaster

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ride you will go on. You just want a good

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game. Just. Just like with a movie or a TV

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show.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : you honestly just want it to be good.

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>> Will: Yes. Yes. And we've been very

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fortunate this past month that we've had two really m.

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Truly good, really, really good shows.

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>> Sarah : Yes. Yes. Before we get into

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those shows, I do want to pick your brain because

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I know we have talked about

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Daredevil before and you did not

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watch the Netflix runs,

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as is well known around here.

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Yep, I did.

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but since Daredevil Born Again

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is set to premiere on March

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4, 2025, there has

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been, there was shown some

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trailers, but I don't think anything has officially

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been released. We know we're getting,

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Punisher. We know we're getting all of the usual

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suspects. so as we get

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closer to March, what are your

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feelings about this show, considering,

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like, your history with the character?

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>> Will: Yeah, so given my history with the character, you

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know, it's almost like I'm approaching this show. Like

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I did House of the Dragon because I didn't watch

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Game of Thrones either, you know, so, yeah,

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so I'm coming into it fresh. I have. I can come into

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it with no, really

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no expectations other than, you

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know, as far as, like, trying to compare it between

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the Netflix show versus tomorrow, you know, the

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dc, Disney plus show, you

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know, and, you know, everything I know about the show.

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I mean, you know, I did watch some of the other Netflix show,

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like Jessica Jones and, And, oh, God,

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Iron Fist, which

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was probably not. Probably not, you know, not

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the one that you want to remember. But, but

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with Daredevil, I. I'm looking forward to it just,

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from everyone like you and, you know,

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some other friends, that I have, who's one of my good friends, he's

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a big Daredevil Netflix fan. And,

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so I'm looking forward

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to it. And like I said, I'm just going to be able to watch it

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with, untainted eyes and

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measure it just on its

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merits as a Disney show. and

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especially given the up and down history

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of Disney shows, I'm very

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curious to see how you're going to react to it.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, well, I mean,

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don't forget, we've already seen him

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in she, Hulk, and earlier

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this year in Echo.

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>> Will: Yeah, true.

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>> Sarah : So. So we got. We got a little bit of some

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appetizers as they've been breadcrumbing

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this homecoming of the

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character and of what was

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started and left on.

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Not. There's been worse, TV shows

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to live, like, like, kind of leave

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things, open ended and yet get

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canceled. but it definitely didn't

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feel as though it was the end

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of the story. and. And

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my. I'm. I'm looking forward.

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I'm. I'm kind of keeping it as at a distance.

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I'm. I mean, to go back to your point about Game of

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Thrones, I'm approaching it kind of the

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same way as Last of Us, where

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I, I'm not saying that I read

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the comics or anything, but I have

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an idea of what they're probably gonna end

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up doing based on theories

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when they. When, the original series was

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airing on Netflix, so.

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And if they do that, then

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we're in for a good ride. And if they don't,

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then maybe we're still in it for a good ride.

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I don't know.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I'm not one to theory spiral

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myself into not liking something that I haven't

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watched yet.

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>> Will: Exactly. Just because. Yeah, it doesn't. Yeah. that's one of

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the things I admire about you is just because something doesn't go according to

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your head cannon, you know, you're not like a lot of people out there

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who just like, if it didn't go to. According to your head canon,

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then the show automatically sucks. So.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. I

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think. I think WandaVision,

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kind of the lesson learned of

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that has stayed with me over

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the last four years.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I think before, pre

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WandaVision, I was very much

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willing to theory spiral. I mean,

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I read Arrow fan fiction all day. All

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day.

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But I think. I think it's almost

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as though the Arrowverse kind of for

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us, like, let. Let

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a foundation of.

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how. How the shows. And so now

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the level that we're receiving

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these shows, the expectations have

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changed. And also the.

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Let's not theory spiral to the point

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where we're writing a separate script and then get

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upset when the writers

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don't follow what we've written in our own

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mind.

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>> Will: Exactly.

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>> Sarah : And

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honestly, like, it's

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just about trust. And this leads us into Agatha

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all along because

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I just. By the end of this episode,

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the only thing that I can really say to

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some of my thoughts Is this

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episode is arguably one of the

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best examples of

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an episode in a season that

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you didn't think you needed,

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but when it airs you're

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like, damn,

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I didn't know that I

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needed that in the story for a

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number of reasons that we're going to get into, but I'm

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sure as hell I got that. And

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the only other thing I'm going to point out before I'm going to let

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you share your overthoughts is

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that, I. Literally the

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first scene I wrote down this not

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knowing any of the context about what was to come, but

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just the Good Witch parenthesis.

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Lilia falls from grace.

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Yeah, I, I did

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not, I did not know. It just looked like I was

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like, wow, she's dressed. Just that that

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imagery stuck in my head and I'm like the Good

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Witch. but, but yeah,

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so that is my starting points on

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Agatha along episode seven, Death

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Hand in mine. Will, what about

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>> Will: Yeah, I, I'm there with you. I mean this

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was as it was in our earlier

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thoughts about TV shows and stuff

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and thinking about, as I mentioned, you know, the up and

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down nature of some of the shows on Disney plus,

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this definitely Will,

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when I watch this episode. I haven't had a,

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A verbal out loud reaction to

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a show on Disney, a Marvel show in Disney in

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a very long time. I think the last one was

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maybe, I guess Loki was the last. The

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Loki finale. Whenever.

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Yeah, that was one where I was just like,

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damn. And so in this

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episode that's. I had that moment, with,

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with Lila with. When she

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turned that card over and the towers

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flipped and, and, and

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I saw what was transpiring there. And to your point about

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the. The Good Witch falls from Grace,

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I had that, that was, you know, this, that.

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Because it was a very, you know, non. Linear

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stories can go. They could either

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work really well or they can go

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sideways. And this was, this was

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Chef's Kiss. As far as a nonlinear

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story with cutbacks and

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flashbacks and everything that I haven't, you know, it

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was so well executed and just when they had that

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moment and they pulled everything together, I was like,

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yeah, yeah, this show, this, this

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is, this show is, is like probably, you

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know, this week I will say this show was my

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favorite show of the week between Agatha and

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Penguin.

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>> Sarah : I am so glad you said that. I

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am so glad you said that because I will be honest,

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I was waiting for my turn to say

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that and for you to be mad at me.

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>> Will: And not to say bingo was bad, but I mean this Was this

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was. I mean I was. And I watched it again

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tonight right before we recorded just to see if my gut

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reaction was the same.

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And it was. I mean I just

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like this was a solid.

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minutes television.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. I, have not rewatched it.

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I've been a bit busy. But it

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is something that if I ever,

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after the show is over, maybe end up this weekend, I

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might say I just want to throw that back on just

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because I'm sure I miss things

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and because there was so much going on and it was

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non told non linearly.

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so,

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man. Because it's non linear

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storytelling. It's very

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like we. It's almost as though

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it's a challenge when we

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already review shows non

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linearly. Non sequential.

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>> Will: It falls right in our wheelhouse.

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>> Sarah : Right? It should, it should.

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So. But I guess, I guess a good starting

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point is just how last

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week in particular with Billy's

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origin story, we meet

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Lilia right in the beginning as the fortune

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teller and we have the tower reversed

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line. We also commented last

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week about how it was as

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though she was possessed.

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But. And, and,

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and that was just so that

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conversation we had last week stuck in my mind

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as soon as we started realizing

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some of what was happening with Lilia

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and just how much she's

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actually. Her power

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and her abilities are, connected to

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time in a way that we had no idea.

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Although. And I think this is why

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the non linearness

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worked so well, is because

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they flashed to

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the breadcrumbs that

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they were laying throughout all of the previous

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episodes. even the episodes that

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were arguably some like the worst of the

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season. You're just like, oh, I forgot about

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that moment at the time that stuck out to me when they

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were trapped in the house that was being flooded.

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But I had forgotten about that.

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but now it makes sense and, and I'm really

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glad. So I just really

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appreciate how

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the, the writers were smart enough where it didn't

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come out of nowhere.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And they had planted enough seeds, but the

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seeds were deep enough where

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you also didn't even suspect it.

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>> Will: Yeah, that's. And I think that's why I was so.

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Especially when I, When I, And the reason why I did rewatch it,

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because there was just so much. And I think I just

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wanted to like go back and like pick up those.

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See those cues again. Like as

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you were mentioning that from the prior episodes

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and they did. I mean, especially when it's like, is she cookie?

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You know, it was like all, all those

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Little things that they just. They just laid the

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foundation. And I just. That's the type of storytelling

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that I've been missing out of the mcu.

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Some, of these Disney plus shows is just the.

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That. That solid, that

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storytelling foundation. And then.

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And then they executed it. I know. And I was looking at

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the credits and noted Jack Schaefer, who

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was the, showrunners for both this show and

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WandaVision, was, the director. She

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didn't write it this time. But, But I think

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just the way this episode was directed, you know, it's like

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that. That. That peak, you know, ship of

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thesis moment in WandaVision, you know,

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those standout moments in Wandavision

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that. That made, you know, that set the

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bar so high for. For Disney plus

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shows. And that was. I felt that same

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way when I was watching this episode. And also

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to your point, as you. As you mentioned earlier about, you know, we

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had Billy's story, you know,

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last last week and. And

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then. And then whenever Billy and

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Agatha were trying to, figure out the

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tarot cards and the readings

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and. And just stumbling

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through it.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. I

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think. I think it very quickly also

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answered, or it resolves

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something from last week and the fact that I

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pointed out, like, how is it that Agatha is only one

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alive? Yeah, I mean,

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like, what did she do? And

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we had no idea. Well, it turns out neither

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Jennifer nor Lilia died. They just ended up in the

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tunnels. And very

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conveniently we're able to.

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Well, conveniently and also just

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because of Lilia's gift, be able to

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navigate very quickly to figure out

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where to go. because

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this last trial is all about

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tarot cards and

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rolls up into, ah, Lilia's

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overall power

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set, if you will.

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And, something

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that I think that the writers did a good job

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in, in this episode is

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also reinforcing that idea that all of

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these witches who joined this cousin

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coven for different reasons

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have either have what we

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perceived as lost their powers

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and that's what they want. But

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it turns out with Lilia over the course of this

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episode, which was surprising. No,

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no, no. She has always had

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her power. She's just learned over time,

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over centuries, how to mute it per se.

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Because when you have that ability

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to go through time the way she

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does, she

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ultimately just focused on

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the death of it all. And that's

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why this episode is called Death's

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Hand in Mine, is because we

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find out that she did have a coven

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when she was growing up and when she was really coming

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into her own abilities. And then she

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could see the future. But she couldn't do anything to

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stop it. So she couldn't do anything to

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protect her coven. And that's why

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the moment, the self sacrifice at the end

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is so important in

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such a good way

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to. To end

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this. This journey for her

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is because she was able to do for them

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what she wasn't in the past.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Will: And yeah, yeah, I mean, I think that's one of the.

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Yeah. That fear, you know, because I was just thinking

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about that. That was another thing that was really, really

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resonated with, with me in this. With. With

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her journey as we. As we learn more

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about why that she

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held back from it.

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Because she can go from literally having the time

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of her life to flash into the point where

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she sees her in, quite, frankly, the way the

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episode began. So when you think

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about it from that standpoint, if you had the power to

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divination like that

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and see events, you know, you

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know, how would you react to that? And I think that was one of the

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things that. That really also resonated with me in this

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episode too, as a viewer is just like, okay,

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you know, I could see why she, why

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she went down the path that she did.

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and, and you know, and you know, and

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even like, and even whenever she was reading the tarot cards to

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Billy, whenever, Whenever they did finally figure out

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what was going on, and he was, you know, asking the questions and you

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know, Billy asked the question like, am m I Billy or

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am I William Kaplan? You know, she, you know, I

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think her. She

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didn't answer the question because I think part of it is

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like, you know, she wanted to allow him that

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same journey

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of self. Self journey of

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self. Accurate, you know, actualization and figuring out who

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he is and not. Not answer

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that question for him because, you know, otherwise,

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you know, he. The lessons that she's learned along the

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way and to get to that point where we saw in the end episode

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where she realized that she had to make that sacrifice. You know,

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Billy's got to have Billy Williams got to have

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teen or has got to have that journey for

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himself, and she can't answer that for him. And I thought that was another

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really strong thing about that.

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>> Sarah : So too, I didn't think that she

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couldn't answer it.

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>> Will: No, she was. No, she wouldn't answer it, as you meant to

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say. I meant to say

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that's what I meant to say. She wouldn't answer the question for him.

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>> Sarah : Well, that was, that was his question for the tarot

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card reading. Right.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And. But she couldn't she. She didn't finish

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it because she realized that it. What,

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like the game. they weren't.

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If. Even if they. She had played the

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final few cards, because I think she got, like,

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halfway through.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : it wouldn't have stopped the

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trial because the trial wasn't about Billy.

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It was about her. She's the Traveler.

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He's not the Traveler. And. But that does

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bring up something I wanted to point out. I thought

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that coming off of last week, where

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we end with just Agatha and Billy

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and we get so much information about Billy and

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these two are main characters to then

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go into this episode.

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And they. They did a

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very smart job about

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leading us with. With

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those two characters still

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asking questions. I like

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the question, is Wanda Maximus really

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dead? And just the distrust between these

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two. And then. And

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then slowly, but not too

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slowly, also getting this B

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storyline with Lilia. And then about

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20 minutes in, it's like, no, no, no, this

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isn't. This isn't Agatha and Billy's

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episode. No, this is

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Lilia. Like, it makes a

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quick turn. But they had to

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do that because even

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though this is Lilia's episode,

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it still doesn't take away from

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Agatha or Billy's parts and

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their journeys. because those

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questions from last week viewers still

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also have in their mind. so.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that was

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another. Yeah, I think that's. That was another, like, highlight

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for the episode too. It's just, And also,

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you know, I love that. I love Agatha's line, you know, x.

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You know, you know, trying to get straight answers. Not, you

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know, I like.

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>> Sarah : I like trying to find a straight.

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>> Will: Straight lady.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, you guys find a straight witch.

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Yep. Yep. That was. That was a. A great

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quote from the episode, for sure.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. And because it has so many levels to it. I

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mean, not only, you know,

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the. One of the big things is just

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like, even, like, whenever, you know, whenever Lila

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and Billy and the team were

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like, you know, the querent. And he's like. He's like. You

520
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mean the querent. So, yeah, just.

521
00:24:13,791 --> 00:24:16,191
Yeah, you know, and so, you know, really

522
00:24:16,255 --> 00:24:19,215
digs that. So that same

523
00:24:19,247 --> 00:24:21,905
line from Agatha, just, you know, really digs into

524
00:24:21,937 --> 00:24:24,905
this. You know, they're not hiding the fact that she's. That she's

525
00:24:24,937 --> 00:24:27,905
queer. And, you know, it gets back to the

526
00:24:27,937 --> 00:24:29,589
relationship with her and Rio.

527
00:24:30,539 --> 00:24:31,959
Yeah, yeah.

528
00:24:32,659 --> 00:24:35,179
>> Sarah : Which. Which we learn a little bit about

529
00:24:35,259 --> 00:24:38,259
because, man, I completely forgot about

530
00:24:38,299 --> 00:24:40,723
Rio. Completely forgot about

531
00:24:40,771 --> 00:24:43,763
her. And then. And then. So.

532
00:24:43,851 --> 00:24:46,771
So at the beginning, during Bill M. When Billy

533
00:24:46,795 --> 00:24:49,163
and Agatha start. Start Their way to the next

534
00:24:49,211 --> 00:24:51,603
trial Rio's brought up.

535
00:24:51,651 --> 00:24:54,651
And. And it sounded. It was almost inferred

536
00:24:54,675 --> 00:24:57,567
that Agatha did something to her during

537
00:24:57,623 --> 00:25:00,271
the havoc of that scene with

538
00:25:00,415 --> 00:25:02,434
Billy coming out.

539
00:25:03,289 --> 00:25:06,229
and then later through,

540
00:25:06,294 --> 00:25:08,871
Leela or Lilia. I swear I'm

541
00:25:08,895 --> 00:25:11,575
apologizing to our listeners right now. I'm pretty sure we've

542
00:25:11,607 --> 00:25:13,919
pronounced this character's name

543
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:16,527
differently at least five or ten times. Oh,

544
00:25:16,543 --> 00:25:18,943
yeah, I can't remember

545
00:25:19,031 --> 00:25:21,724
exactly. is that.

546
00:25:21,844 --> 00:25:24,694
Is that, she. Rio? Is Death

547
00:25:24,814 --> 00:25:27,646
the ak. The original green witch?

548
00:25:27,790 --> 00:25:30,766
>> Will: Yep. What can I say? I like the

549
00:25:30,790 --> 00:25:31,594
bad ones.

550
00:25:32,894 --> 00:25:35,670
>> Sarah : I like the bad boys. Is this,

551
00:25:35,782 --> 00:25:38,622
like, new? His, like,

552
00:25:38,678 --> 00:25:41,454
is original green witch really?

553
00:25:41,534 --> 00:25:43,634
Death? Like, I'm confused.

554
00:25:44,579 --> 00:25:47,416
>> Will: I mean, at least in the context of this show. I mean, I think.

555
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,764
Yeah. I mean, because remember, what was it in

556
00:25:51,344 --> 00:25:54,176
when they were. Was episode five, whenever

557
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,624
the green witch showed

558
00:25:56,704 --> 00:25:59,582
up? they were trying

559
00:25:59,598 --> 00:26:02,074
to conjure the green witch, if I recall.

560
00:26:02,454 --> 00:26:05,430
Oh, gosh, earlier. Like, what did.

561
00:26:05,462 --> 00:26:08,374
Whenever they. When they first summoned Rio, weren't they trying to summon the green

562
00:26:08,414 --> 00:26:08,994
witch?

563
00:26:10,944 --> 00:26:13,504
>> Sarah : Oh, the. Oh, okay,

564
00:26:13,584 --> 00:26:16,416
okay. The green witch.

565
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,560
So I was thinking about the witch from the wizard

566
00:26:19,592 --> 00:26:22,244
of Oz that Agatha was dressed up as,

567
00:26:22,889 --> 00:26:25,670
this episode, not the green

568
00:26:25,742 --> 00:26:28,518
Witch, who we thought at the very beginning of this

569
00:26:28,606 --> 00:26:30,570
series was, Mrs. Hart.

570
00:26:30,659 --> 00:26:31,914
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

571
00:26:32,004 --> 00:26:34,603
>> Sarah : But Mrs. Hart dead. You know

572
00:26:34,692 --> 00:26:37,688
what? Mrs. Hart, if you're listening, please

573
00:26:37,736 --> 00:26:40,696
return and be like, I'm not dead. I

574
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,560
just made you think I was.

575
00:26:42,672 --> 00:26:45,632
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, you know, since Mrs. Hart was, they needed

576
00:26:45,648 --> 00:26:48,336
to. Someone add to the dir. And the coven. Yeah. So they.

577
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,448
Yeah, so that's when she showed up.

578
00:26:50,496 --> 00:26:53,000
>> Sarah : Well, they needed a green witch because each of the

579
00:26:53,032 --> 00:26:55,840
trials. And I mean, h.

580
00:26:55,912 --> 00:26:58,760
Have. Have we experienced the Green witch

581
00:26:58,832 --> 00:27:01,824
trial? Because I don't. I felt

582
00:27:01,864 --> 00:27:04,254
like, Mrs. Hart was taken out early.

583
00:27:04,554 --> 00:27:06,334
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

584
00:27:07,274 --> 00:27:10,074
>> Sarah : I don't know. I don't know. But okay,

585
00:27:10,194 --> 00:27:12,857
that, that makes more sense. So.

586
00:27:12,945 --> 00:27:15,905
>> Will: Yeah. I mean. Yeah, And I think they were just having, you know, I think,

587
00:27:15,929 --> 00:27:18,801
you know, clearly they had Agatha,

588
00:27:18,828 --> 00:27:21,439
show up as the. The Green Witch.

589
00:27:21,511 --> 00:27:23,999
Just, you know, just, the Wicked

590
00:27:24,031 --> 00:27:27,023
Witch. Yeah. Just for fun. But. Yeah,

591
00:27:27,063 --> 00:27:29,771
but at the end of the day, no, she.

592
00:27:29,827 --> 00:27:30,703
She's not.

593
00:27:31,843 --> 00:27:34,267
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also,

594
00:27:34,395 --> 00:27:37,139
still, again, with all the lines about

595
00:27:37,251 --> 00:27:39,867
cultural culture appropriation.

596
00:27:39,955 --> 00:27:42,699
>> Will: Yes. Yes. That was a nice

597
00:27:42,731 --> 00:27:45,491
touch. Yeah, that was. Yeah.

598
00:27:45,587 --> 00:27:48,539
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. It can. It just dawned on

599
00:27:48,571 --> 00:27:51,507
me how. How layered of a joke that is,

600
00:27:51,595 --> 00:27:53,875
considering all the history of

601
00:27:53,939 --> 00:27:55,733
Disney and culture

602
00:27:55,853 --> 00:27:58,045
appropriation. So.

603
00:27:58,229 --> 00:28:00,965
Yeah. Yeah. The writers are getting

604
00:28:01,029 --> 00:28:03,605
their. Their. Their giggles for

605
00:28:03,629 --> 00:28:04,197
sure.

606
00:28:04,365 --> 00:28:07,365
>> Will: Yeah. Totally are. I mean, because. Yeah. Because we had that a few

607
00:28:07,389 --> 00:28:10,365
weeks. Yeah. With the broomsticks. And now this one. This episode. So.

608
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:13,125
Yeah, every. I think there's always at least one reference to that in

609
00:28:13,229 --> 00:28:15,421
each episode in some form or fashion.

610
00:28:15,477 --> 00:28:18,301
>> Sarah : Yeah. Lately. Lately

611
00:28:18,357 --> 00:28:19,598
there has been,

612
00:28:20,863 --> 00:28:23,519
And. And then next week will be

613
00:28:23,591 --> 00:28:26,447
our C'est la vie as they close

614
00:28:26,495 --> 00:28:29,143
with episode eight and nine and

615
00:28:29,303 --> 00:28:32,127
tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah.

616
00:28:32,215 --> 00:28:34,679
It's just. I think

617
00:28:34,871 --> 00:28:37,575
so far. And granted, we

618
00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:40,103
haven't watched the last two episodes. They haven't even aired

619
00:28:40,143 --> 00:28:42,967
yet. But I feel as

620
00:28:43,015 --> 00:28:44,883
though Agatha along

621
00:28:45,753 --> 00:28:48,697
has done is. Has they started

622
00:28:48,745 --> 00:28:51,613
off strong. There was a dip, but

623
00:28:53,033 --> 00:28:55,721
it wasn't a dip to

624
00:28:55,817 --> 00:28:58,009
like. Can we please stop watching this?

625
00:28:58,081 --> 00:28:59,133
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

626
00:28:59,953 --> 00:29:02,653
>> Sarah : It just got a little bit more silly.

627
00:29:02,953 --> 00:29:05,393
But now, especially with the last two

628
00:29:05,433 --> 00:29:08,121
episodes, it's just like. It was

629
00:29:08,177 --> 00:29:10,897
silly, but it was still doing things

630
00:29:10,985 --> 00:29:13,739
to set up to the foundation

631
00:29:13,851 --> 00:29:16,828
that got us here. And. Good,

632
00:29:18,076 --> 00:29:20,756
Good Lord, what they've set up for those final two

633
00:29:20,796 --> 00:29:23,780
episodes. But I'm. I'm very excited and I'm

634
00:29:23,828 --> 00:29:26,700
very happy that we have

635
00:29:26,748 --> 00:29:29,690
circled back to this because, It.

636
00:29:29,778 --> 00:29:32,602
Overall, it's. It's. It's just a season of TV

637
00:29:32,674 --> 00:29:35,474
that we didn't think we wanted nor needed

638
00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:38,492
at this point. But so far I'm pretty. I'm

639
00:29:38,524 --> 00:29:41,134
pretty glad we. We got it and, it's doing

640
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:43,990
well, from what I understand in the ratings and.

641
00:29:44,118 --> 00:29:47,094
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I completely agree. And.

642
00:29:47,230 --> 00:29:49,942
And, you know, one last little bit of the

643
00:29:49,974 --> 00:29:52,836
score with the show and just, You know,

644
00:29:52,876 --> 00:29:55,860
with the ending credits with Jim Croce's Time in a Bottle, I

645
00:29:55,868 --> 00:29:58,376
mean, that was just. Again, just, I think

646
00:29:58,716 --> 00:30:01,016
put the, like, put the cherry on top of the.

647
00:30:01,516 --> 00:30:04,258
Of the, Of this episode. Because it was just such a

648
00:30:04,322 --> 00:30:07,162
great touch given all the things that

649
00:30:07,314 --> 00:30:08,610
happened in that episode.

650
00:30:08,738 --> 00:30:11,634
>> Sarah : So it is a

651
00:30:11,650 --> 00:30:13,846
great touch. However,

652
00:30:14,506 --> 00:30:17,418
all that song makes me think about, though,

653
00:30:17,562 --> 00:30:20,516
is the, Is ironically, in a weird

654
00:30:20,556 --> 00:30:23,540
way, the X Men sequence

655
00:30:23,708 --> 00:30:25,366
of, Quicksilver.

656
00:30:28,106 --> 00:30:30,970
Because that's a song that's played. Am I not wrong about

657
00:30:31,018 --> 00:30:31,586
that?

658
00:30:31,746 --> 00:30:32,362
>> Will: Oh, gosh.

659
00:30:32,434 --> 00:30:34,466
>> Sarah : When we first meet Evan Peters,

660
00:30:34,546 --> 00:30:37,466
Quicksilver in that movie

661
00:30:37,506 --> 00:30:40,402
that. I'm blanking on which one of them it is. It's not

662
00:30:40,434 --> 00:30:42,778
the second one. They try to redo it and it's just.

663
00:30:42,922 --> 00:30:45,722
But it's. It's so. I don't think it's

664
00:30:45,754 --> 00:30:48,618
Apocalypse. I think it's the other one. It's

665
00:30:48,642 --> 00:30:51,290
all done to Time in a Bottle, and it's just

666
00:30:51,338 --> 00:30:52,241
brilliant. Huh?

667
00:30:52,510 --> 00:30:55,480
>> Will: is it Days of Future Past or I

668
00:30:55,488 --> 00:30:55,656
can't.

669
00:30:55,696 --> 00:30:58,416
>> Sarah : I think it might be. Yes, it's Days of Future

670
00:30:58,496 --> 00:31:01,216
Past because. Because then you're left

671
00:31:01,296 --> 00:31:04,276
after that sequence thinking to yourself,

672
00:31:05,496 --> 00:31:08,176
really? He couldn't they. Why

673
00:31:08,216 --> 00:31:11,112
couldn't they just have gone? Like he should have gone with

674
00:31:11,144 --> 00:31:14,008
that. So he

675
00:31:14,032 --> 00:31:16,968
had one sequence and then they tried to redo

676
00:31:16,992 --> 00:31:19,236
it in an apocalypse and it just like

677
00:31:19,616 --> 00:31:22,116
apocalypse just imploded on itself.

678
00:31:22,736 --> 00:31:25,396
But anyways, so,

679
00:31:25,591 --> 00:31:27,136
But yeah, so

680
00:31:28,676 --> 00:31:31,356
if that for some reason and

681
00:31:31,396 --> 00:31:34,140
arguably maybe it's because the prior week Evan

682
00:31:34,268 --> 00:31:36,780
Peters appeared in the

683
00:31:36,828 --> 00:31:39,706
show. But yeah,

684
00:31:39,786 --> 00:31:42,778
anyways. But yeah, it

685
00:31:42,802 --> 00:31:45,610
was good. Not a little

686
00:31:45,658 --> 00:31:48,171
trippy for me. All right,

687
00:31:48,511 --> 00:31:51,295
that brings us to the Penguin, episode six,

688
00:31:51,343 --> 00:31:54,247
Gold Summit. Despite his enemies attempts to smoke

689
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:57,259
him out. Aw. Seeks to expose. Expand his reach

690
00:31:57,315 --> 00:32:00,115
in the city. Meanwhile, Victor crosses paths with

691
00:32:00,163 --> 00:32:02,031
a former adversary.

692
00:32:02,971 --> 00:32:05,581
I, need to talk

693
00:32:05,701 --> 00:32:07,841
about Sophia

694
00:32:08,541 --> 00:32:09,757
and Eve.

695
00:32:09,949 --> 00:32:10,645
>> Will: Okay.

696
00:32:10,773 --> 00:32:13,641
>> Sarah : So I just. Because

697
00:32:14,221 --> 00:32:16,733
I know earlier we talked about

698
00:32:16,797 --> 00:32:18,681
how Agatha along

699
00:32:19,301 --> 00:32:21,371
was between the two better.

700
00:32:22,191 --> 00:32:24,623
And it's not saying one is worse though.

701
00:32:24,727 --> 00:32:25,183
>> Will: No.

702
00:32:25,287 --> 00:32:27,711
>> Sarah : But the scene between Sophia and Eve

703
00:32:27,751 --> 00:32:30,175
Carlo. Because this episode

704
00:32:30,303 --> 00:32:33,263
Sophia and Sal are fed up with.

705
00:32:33,327 --> 00:32:35,905
With Oz. They want to find him, obviously for

706
00:32:35,953 --> 00:32:38,233
revenge. So a lot of their

707
00:32:38,297 --> 00:32:40,929
interactions is very like,

708
00:32:40,985 --> 00:32:42,141
okay, we.

709
00:32:43,761 --> 00:32:46,469
And I'm not, I'm not even going to touch the sex

710
00:32:46,545 --> 00:32:49,533
scene. Not between them, but between

711
00:32:49,717 --> 00:32:52,429
the therapist and Sophia. I'm like. I'm like,

712
00:32:52,485 --> 00:32:54,973
no, no, no, no. Something's definitely to be

713
00:32:54,997 --> 00:32:57,989
discussed. So. But

714
00:32:58,085 --> 00:33:00,841
they're smoking and so of course

715
00:33:02,061 --> 00:33:04,805
I'll give it to the writers. Around the same time that

716
00:33:04,853 --> 00:33:07,653
Sophia has this idea and finds the

717
00:33:07,677 --> 00:33:10,341
panties. I'm like, well, she

718
00:33:10,381 --> 00:33:13,197
has met like Eve and

719
00:33:13,229 --> 00:33:15,970
the girls. So she,

720
00:33:16,130 --> 00:33:18,280
she, she through them

721
00:33:18,620 --> 00:33:21,476
finds. Finds Eve. And then there's

722
00:33:21,508 --> 00:33:23,880
this great scene. Like

723
00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:26,560
this scene

724
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:31,404
I think is. Is one of my favorite

725
00:33:31,452 --> 00:33:33,320
scenes of the entire show

726
00:33:33,860 --> 00:33:35,924
because it's a

727
00:33:35,972 --> 00:33:38,760
rarity to see.

728
00:33:38,976 --> 00:33:41,970
to have this kind of dialogue that is a

729
00:33:42,010 --> 00:33:44,463
chess match that

730
00:33:44,647 --> 00:33:46,731
is very much life and death

731
00:33:47,151 --> 00:33:50,127
and is between two

732
00:33:50,199 --> 00:33:53,063
women. Now I know, I

733
00:33:53,087 --> 00:33:55,439
know they're technically talking about a man,

734
00:33:55,615 --> 00:33:58,471
technically. But there

735
00:33:58,511 --> 00:34:00,871
are layers that they've been

736
00:34:00,951 --> 00:34:03,375
building with Eve Carlo's

737
00:34:03,463 --> 00:34:05,811
little like presence

738
00:34:06,511 --> 00:34:09,391
that has just been lurking in the background. And

739
00:34:09,471 --> 00:34:12,239
they've allowed this to happen. And so, so I love

740
00:34:12,295 --> 00:34:14,455
the fact that

741
00:34:14,623 --> 00:34:17,531
Eve clearly scared

742
00:34:18,511 --> 00:34:21,467
while simultaneously hats off

743
00:34:21,499 --> 00:34:23,951
to the actress. Simultaneously

744
00:34:24,371 --> 00:34:26,871
powerful in this and strong

745
00:34:28,131 --> 00:34:31,075
is. Invites Sophia in gun in

746
00:34:31,123 --> 00:34:34,019
hand. Clearly know like one

747
00:34:34,035 --> 00:34:36,883
of them, like Eve's gonna bite

748
00:34:36,907 --> 00:34:39,851
it. But they have the conversation and during

749
00:34:39,891 --> 00:34:42,861
the conversation, Eve,

750
00:34:43,681 --> 00:34:46,641
Eve makes it clear like I know who you Are.

751
00:34:46,681 --> 00:34:49,313
You're the hangman. And then we get into

752
00:34:49,497 --> 00:34:52,221
this conversation about, well,

753
00:34:53,361 --> 00:34:56,095
Sophia's not the, hangman, and

754
00:34:56,143 --> 00:34:59,039
Oz knew about it. Now,

755
00:34:59,135 --> 00:35:01,607
I want to circle back onto that,

756
00:35:01,799 --> 00:35:04,471
but I don't want to lose track on this

757
00:35:04,591 --> 00:35:07,583
just because I know at the end of the

758
00:35:07,607 --> 00:35:09,951
day, Eve sold

759
00:35:10,251 --> 00:35:12,951
Oz out, but

760
00:35:13,251 --> 00:35:16,219
she did it in such a noble way. I

761
00:35:16,275 --> 00:35:18,711
can't be mad at her because.

762
00:35:19,011 --> 00:35:21,771
Because she took account everything that

763
00:35:21,811 --> 00:35:24,523
Sophia said in terms of her not being the

764
00:35:24,547 --> 00:35:26,915
hangman, Oz selling her

765
00:35:26,963 --> 00:35:29,680
out, and, causing her to

766
00:35:29,728 --> 00:35:32,448
become the hangman for public

767
00:35:32,512 --> 00:35:35,450
appearance sake. And.

768
00:35:35,618 --> 00:35:38,154
And then the.

769
00:35:38,290 --> 00:35:41,024
The, quid pro quo, quid

770
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,556
pro co of it all,

771
00:35:43,976 --> 00:35:46,792
where it's like, so you're gonna

772
00:35:46,824 --> 00:35:49,112
kill me? I mean, that's what you do. You're the

773
00:35:49,144 --> 00:35:52,024
hangman. Or. Or you're not anymore. I

774
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,032
think she says, but that's not you. Right? And then

775
00:35:55,064 --> 00:35:58,036
it's at that moment that Sophie is like,

776
00:35:58,376 --> 00:36:01,344
damn, checkmate. Because if I shoot her,

777
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,960
I am the killer.

778
00:36:03,088 --> 00:36:03,624
>> Will: Yeah.

779
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:06,712
>> Sarah : But if I don't, like, like,

780
00:36:06,744 --> 00:36:09,680
it was so good. And that's

781
00:36:09,728 --> 00:36:11,996
kind of why I think at the end.

782
00:36:12,856 --> 00:36:15,592
Although I don't know how

783
00:36:15,624 --> 00:36:17,976
much more remorse we're going to get from

784
00:36:18,016 --> 00:36:20,824
Sophia, but at the end, she's

785
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,856
more observing rather than just going in there

786
00:36:23,936 --> 00:36:26,856
swinging, for the fences. But

787
00:36:27,636 --> 00:36:30,364
she. It's such a great

788
00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:32,828
scene, and I like how.

789
00:36:33,012 --> 00:36:35,852
Okay, okay, Sophia. Sophia doesn't

790
00:36:35,884 --> 00:36:38,836
know she's getting out. It looks like he's gonna live. And then

791
00:36:38,876 --> 00:36:41,788
Eve just nonchalantly is like, here's where they

792
00:36:41,812 --> 00:36:44,332
are. Yeah, you didn't hear it from

793
00:36:44,364 --> 00:36:46,416
me. I do wonder

794
00:36:48,516 --> 00:36:51,196
if that's gonna turn around and bite her in the ass

795
00:36:51,356 --> 00:36:53,820
and Oz is going to find out, and

796
00:36:53,908 --> 00:36:56,766
ultimately he's going to kill her. but

797
00:36:56,886 --> 00:36:59,230
I just. It was beautifully

798
00:36:59,278 --> 00:37:01,910
written. It made perfect

799
00:37:01,998 --> 00:37:04,494
sense. Each character's

800
00:37:04,670 --> 00:37:07,182
question, response, and

801
00:37:07,254 --> 00:37:09,946
action. And I just.

802
00:37:10,446 --> 00:37:13,382
It stood out so much to me that

803
00:37:13,414 --> 00:37:15,346
I just wanted to start there.

804
00:37:16,806 --> 00:37:19,278
but it does raise that question to

805
00:37:19,302 --> 00:37:21,586
me. From what we know,

806
00:37:22,166 --> 00:37:24,630
and especially talking about that fifth

807
00:37:24,678 --> 00:37:26,746
episode and Sophia's

808
00:37:27,086 --> 00:37:29,526
backstory of how she got thrown into

809
00:37:29,566 --> 00:37:31,706
Arkham. Will,

810
00:37:32,286 --> 00:37:34,946
do you think Oz really knew

811
00:37:35,286 --> 00:37:37,958
that it was Carmine behind the

812
00:37:37,982 --> 00:37:40,750
murders and that he would do that? Or did he

813
00:37:40,798 --> 00:37:43,576
just tip him off that your

814
00:37:43,616 --> 00:37:45,476
daughter's talking to reporters?

815
00:37:46,416 --> 00:37:49,156
>> Will: Yeah, you know, that's a great question.

816
00:37:49,331 --> 00:37:52,086
knowing Oz and

817
00:37:52,126 --> 00:37:53,266
knowing how

818
00:37:54,526 --> 00:37:56,426
he operates,

819
00:37:57,526 --> 00:37:59,066
I think he was governed for car.

820
00:38:01,166 --> 00:38:02,710
>> Sarah : Okay, I do.

821
00:38:02,758 --> 00:38:05,106
>> Will: I do now. Now. I think I. I think,

822
00:38:06,936 --> 00:38:09,776
yeah. I think, yeah, that's how he operates. I mean,

823
00:38:09,816 --> 00:38:12,341
he. He sees that, he sees an opportunity

824
00:38:13,081 --> 00:38:15,953
and, you know, we. And at the end of the

825
00:38:15,977 --> 00:38:18,929
day, he is. You know, he's. He's a power clock. He's trying

826
00:38:18,945 --> 00:38:21,929
to climb that ladder. And he thought this

827
00:38:21,945 --> 00:38:24,849
was a way to, like, gain favor

828
00:38:24,865 --> 00:38:27,689
with Carmine to get to. To advance

829
00:38:27,745 --> 00:38:29,341
his. To advance himself.

830
00:38:30,481 --> 00:38:33,391
>> Sarah : Right, right. Okay.

831
00:38:33,851 --> 00:38:36,499
Okay. Interesting. Interesting.

832
00:38:36,595 --> 00:38:39,419
I don't. And maybe it's just

833
00:38:39,475 --> 00:38:42,235
because underneath all of that makeup

834
00:38:42,323 --> 00:38:45,123
is Colin Farrell delivering one hell of

835
00:38:45,147 --> 00:38:48,067
a performance. So he makes Oz look like a really

836
00:38:48,099 --> 00:38:49,031
good actor.

837
00:38:50,891 --> 00:38:53,259
for some reason, I keep flashing back

838
00:38:53,315 --> 00:38:56,179
to him mourning

839
00:38:56,235 --> 00:38:59,139
Sophia, and then especially when they get pulled over in

840
00:38:59,155 --> 00:39:02,023
the car. He just seemed really confused

841
00:39:02,087 --> 00:39:02,927
to me.

842
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:06,007
>> Will: I don't know why, but he does that. I mean.

843
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:08,935
Yeah, I mean, I think that's just. I

844
00:39:08,943 --> 00:39:11,861
mean, even when Oz is telling the truth, that's the thing.

845
00:39:11,901 --> 00:39:14,829
This is like. He's like. When he told Sophia there in

846
00:39:14,845 --> 00:39:17,637
a parking lot, he was telling her the truth. I'm sorry I did

847
00:39:17,669 --> 00:39:20,493
this, you know, because he basically confessed to,

848
00:39:20,517 --> 00:39:21,961
like, not protecting her.

849
00:39:22,981 --> 00:39:25,773
>> Sarah : Right, right. Which would. But they're

850
00:39:25,837 --> 00:39:28,341
two different things. Like, that's not a

851
00:39:28,381 --> 00:39:31,053
confession that. Yeah, I knew your dad killed

852
00:39:31,077 --> 00:39:34,021
your. I knew your dad killed those women,

853
00:39:34,441 --> 00:39:37,353
and I threw you to him and said, hey, here's

854
00:39:37,377 --> 00:39:40,249
your scapegoat. Yeah, that.

855
00:39:40,305 --> 00:39:43,105
That was more him saying. I

856
00:39:43,153 --> 00:39:46,135
told. him admitting. Here's my interpretation

857
00:39:46,183 --> 00:39:48,695
of it. Yeah, that was him more saying,

858
00:39:48,823 --> 00:39:51,571
yeah, I told your dad something

859
00:39:51,951 --> 00:39:54,855
like, remember, we technically have not Scene

860
00:39:54,903 --> 00:39:56,039
that conversation.

861
00:39:56,175 --> 00:39:56,751
>> Will: Right, Right.

862
00:39:56,791 --> 00:39:59,611
>> Sarah : So we don't really know for sure

863
00:39:59,951 --> 00:40:02,727
what he knew and what he told. All we knew was

864
00:40:02,759 --> 00:40:04,567
the consequence of it all.

865
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:05,351
>> Will: Yeah.

866
00:40:05,511 --> 00:40:08,351
>> Sarah : So. So I took it more as, like,

867
00:40:08,391 --> 00:40:10,775
yeah, I did something that

868
00:40:10,823 --> 00:40:13,783
ultimately led to you being

869
00:40:13,847 --> 00:40:15,991
thrown into Arkham instead of your dad.

870
00:40:16,151 --> 00:40:18,989
>> Will: Yeah. And, Yeah. And that's why. That's

871
00:40:19,005 --> 00:40:21,641
why I answered your question the way I did.

872
00:40:22,301 --> 00:40:25,253
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Then we're on

873
00:40:25,277 --> 00:40:28,205
the same page, because I agree. I'm not

874
00:40:28,253 --> 00:40:31,121
here claiming he's innocent, and I don't know,

875
00:40:31,521 --> 00:40:34,090
but I. The. When. When, In

876
00:40:34,122 --> 00:40:37,018
taught in. In this scene between Eve

877
00:40:37,146 --> 00:40:39,762
and Sophia, Sophia makes it

878
00:40:39,818 --> 00:40:42,334
seem like he knew everything.

879
00:40:43,354 --> 00:40:46,002
But I'm thinking in my mind, I'm like, he was

880
00:40:46,058 --> 00:40:48,906
your driver, so how

881
00:40:48,930 --> 00:40:51,762
much did he know about

882
00:40:51,938 --> 00:40:54,414
everything that your dad was up to?

883
00:40:54,834 --> 00:40:57,806
So. And. And, we also don't

884
00:40:57,830 --> 00:41:00,118
know how long he has been her driver.

885
00:41:00,206 --> 00:41:03,022
So I. They're doing a good

886
00:41:03,078 --> 00:41:05,354
job about making.

887
00:41:06,134 --> 00:41:09,022
Making me still see and understand

888
00:41:09,158 --> 00:41:11,926
two perspectives on this series

889
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:14,514
of events. And,

890
00:41:14,959 --> 00:41:17,504
And the. The kind of. The.

891
00:41:18,364 --> 00:41:20,944
The lack of specific

892
00:41:21,444 --> 00:41:23,985
Specifics, caused me

893
00:41:24,057 --> 00:41:26,561
to be like, okay, well,

894
00:41:26,745 --> 00:41:29,609
neither are technically lying, but

895
00:41:29,649 --> 00:41:32,593
we also still don't know the full story.

896
00:41:32,761 --> 00:41:33,549
>> Will: Yep.

897
00:41:34,729 --> 00:41:37,553
>> Sarah : So I understand your different points. And.

898
00:41:37,641 --> 00:41:40,481
And still, despite everything else, I

899
00:41:40,505 --> 00:41:43,411
mean, Arkham or no Arkham, he killed her brother.

900
00:41:43,595 --> 00:41:46,439
So. That one. Yeah. Yeah.

901
00:41:46,854 --> 00:41:49,781
and okay, there's another

902
00:41:49,885 --> 00:41:52,751
scene that I want to bring up. and

903
00:41:52,815 --> 00:41:55,791
get into more of Oz's storyline in

904
00:41:55,815 --> 00:41:58,139
this episode with his mom.

905
00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:01,543
Because the scene where

906
00:42:01,591 --> 00:42:04,219
Vic comes and

907
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,699
is trying to talk to him about Squid.

908
00:42:08,004 --> 00:42:08,384
>> Will: Hm.

909
00:42:08,759 --> 00:42:11,099
>> Sarah : And his problem, he has.

910
00:42:12,659 --> 00:42:15,579
There's. This is a combination

911
00:42:15,699 --> 00:42:18,507
of Colin Farrell just nailing everything.

912
00:42:18,643 --> 00:42:20,879
And also the dialogue.

913
00:42:21,459 --> 00:42:23,915
The fact, like, just

914
00:42:23,987 --> 00:42:26,475
the Vic

915
00:42:26,547 --> 00:42:29,515
talking and then all of a sudden Oz, and he

916
00:42:29,547 --> 00:42:32,411
looks like he's going to respond and then

917
00:42:32,475 --> 00:42:35,123
he just goes into a

918
00:42:35,211 --> 00:42:38,199
very casual, very boyish,

919
00:42:39,364 --> 00:42:41,895
thought about him being

920
00:42:41,967 --> 00:42:44,019
unable to protect his mom

921
00:42:44,359 --> 00:42:47,247
because the doctors who have these

922
00:42:47,303 --> 00:42:50,223
diplomas and these machines don't

923
00:42:50,271 --> 00:42:53,095
know what she has. So how

924
00:42:53,127 --> 00:42:56,007
the fuck is he supposed to protect her from something

925
00:42:56,103 --> 00:42:59,095
no one knows what it is? Like, it's the imaginary

926
00:42:59,167 --> 00:42:59,831
friend.

927
00:43:00,015 --> 00:43:00,647
>> Will: Yeah.

928
00:43:00,783 --> 00:43:03,599
>> Sarah : And he says it in such a

929
00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:06,149
beautiful way, such an endearing

930
00:43:06,229 --> 00:43:08,381
way and a

931
00:43:08,445 --> 00:43:11,169
hopelessness, yet

932
00:43:11,469 --> 00:43:14,437
that. But also just the way it

933
00:43:14,453 --> 00:43:16,769
was executed and written.

934
00:43:17,669 --> 00:43:20,365
I was just like, that's how you write dialogue.

935
00:43:20,517 --> 00:43:22,973
Like, there, there

936
00:43:23,141 --> 00:43:25,765
we. We get. We've seen so many

937
00:43:25,837 --> 00:43:28,205
shows with hunker down

938
00:43:28,317 --> 00:43:30,289
exposition and everything,

939
00:43:31,249 --> 00:43:33,681
but that came out of left

940
00:43:33,785 --> 00:43:36,521
field. While simultaneously. It wasn't

941
00:43:36,585 --> 00:43:39,305
because of previous scenes we've Scene between

942
00:43:39,497 --> 00:43:41,629
him and his mom in particular

943
00:43:42,169 --> 00:43:45,137
in this episode. It's just like. Yeah, that's what he's

944
00:43:45,193 --> 00:43:47,469
focused on. And

945
00:43:48,889 --> 00:43:51,465
I just. I loved that whole

946
00:43:51,577 --> 00:43:54,097
moment so much. I mean, give him the

947
00:43:54,113 --> 00:43:54,817
Emmy.

948
00:43:54,993 --> 00:43:55,521
>> Will: Yes.

949
00:43:55,625 --> 00:43:56,669
>> Sarah : Sorry, Pedro.

950
00:43:58,369 --> 00:44:00,899
Pedro's gonna be supporting. I know, I know.

951
00:44:01,009 --> 00:44:01,699
>> Will: Yeah,

952
00:44:03,759 --> 00:44:06,511
yeah, yeah. It's like, put me in the supporting category because

953
00:44:06,535 --> 00:44:09,529
Colin's going to win this year. yeah, I completely agree. I mean, that

954
00:44:09,569 --> 00:44:12,499
scene, with. With. Yeah, that's.

955
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:15,999
But, you know, I think it. It really just

956
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:18,839
showed that for me,

957
00:44:18,919 --> 00:44:21,487
like, Oz, that's probably the

958
00:44:21,503 --> 00:44:24,463
one that's the one level of, I guess,

959
00:44:24,511 --> 00:44:27,375
humanity or whatever you want to call it that he has is through

960
00:44:27,407 --> 00:44:30,039
his mother and. And maybe to some degree with

961
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:30,739
Vic.

962
00:44:31,299 --> 00:44:32,079
>> Sarah : Yes.

963
00:44:32,614 --> 00:44:35,313
>> Will: as things. Because, you know, as the episode. You know,

964
00:44:35,361 --> 00:44:38,203
whenever an episode first starts, you know, we get.

965
00:44:38,251 --> 00:44:41,003
It's a little, you know, it's a little bit of a time jump. I think it's about a week or so

966
00:44:41,051 --> 00:44:43,995
since they found the tunnels and they, you know, things are

967
00:44:44,027 --> 00:44:46,867
fully, fully humming and then, you

968
00:44:46,883 --> 00:44:49,827
know, and again, there's that moment between

969
00:44:49,883 --> 00:44:52,699
Oz and Vic and you know,

970
00:44:52,739 --> 00:44:55,475
talking about they're going to remember our names and the whole, you know, Oz

971
00:44:55,507 --> 00:44:57,927
was he, you know, we had another Rex Keller

972
00:44:58,023 --> 00:45:01,013
Breasy moment, there at the beginning. And you

973
00:45:01,021 --> 00:45:03,869
know, Oz is feeling, he's feeling like I'm, I'm doing something

974
00:45:03,909 --> 00:45:06,677
here. And he's feeling very proud and he's, you know,

975
00:45:06,773 --> 00:45:09,670
Oz and Vic are going to be the Legends of Gotham for what

976
00:45:09,694 --> 00:45:12,438
they would, you know, like, like, you know, Oz is

977
00:45:12,598 --> 00:45:15,518
how Ozzy's Rex. Now Oz is going to be in that,

978
00:45:15,598 --> 00:45:18,566
you know, he's gonna be held in that same pedestal in the, in the, in

979
00:45:18,582 --> 00:45:21,294
the, in in Gotham because of all the biddy's doing

980
00:45:21,326 --> 00:45:24,260
for the people in Crown Point. So

981
00:45:24,364 --> 00:45:27,172
you know, so that was really that, that

982
00:45:27,220 --> 00:45:30,070
moment like you, that you shared, where I think those

983
00:45:30,094 --> 00:45:33,070
are some of the moments of

984
00:45:33,094 --> 00:45:35,563
vulnerability that this character shows with his

985
00:45:35,595 --> 00:45:38,515
ma and with Vic that, you know, other people just don't

986
00:45:38,531 --> 00:45:39,367
get to see.

987
00:45:41,347 --> 00:45:43,611
>> Sarah : Yeah, it's

988
00:45:43,659 --> 00:45:46,243
interesting that the gangster he keeps

989
00:45:46,275 --> 00:45:49,017
referencing as Rex and we learn

990
00:45:49,147 --> 00:45:51,869
that his dead brothers are both named Jack and

991
00:45:51,893 --> 00:45:52,373
Rex.

992
00:45:52,485 --> 00:45:54,765
>> Will: No, no, his other, his brother's Jack and

993
00:45:54,781 --> 00:45:55,501
Benny.

994
00:45:55,669 --> 00:45:57,637
>> Sarah : Rex is Jack and Benny.

995
00:45:57,757 --> 00:45:58,117
>> Will: Yeah.

996
00:45:58,157 --> 00:46:00,901
>> Sarah : So who's the dad? Because I almost feel like there was

997
00:46:00,949 --> 00:46:03,909
a name drop of the dad and I'm trying

998
00:46:03,933 --> 00:46:05,297
to look at my notes.

999
00:46:05,372 --> 00:46:08,235
>> Will: yeah, there's still the dad's. The

1000
00:46:08,251 --> 00:46:09,807
dads are named still.

1001
00:46:11,667 --> 00:46:12,431
>> Sarah : Okay.

1002
00:46:12,579 --> 00:46:14,887
>> Will: Yeah, that's the one name. Yeah.

1003
00:46:15,047 --> 00:46:17,787
>> Sarah : Okay. Okay. Well.

1004
00:46:18,167 --> 00:46:19,879
Well, I have to rewatch.

1005
00:46:19,903 --> 00:46:22,855
>> Will: Yeah, so we, but we did. Yeah, though we, you know, we,

1006
00:46:22,951 --> 00:46:25,695
we theorized that Rex could be Oz's

1007
00:46:25,751 --> 00:46:26,907
unnamed father.

1008
00:46:27,487 --> 00:46:30,431
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. I could have sworn she said,

1009
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:33,287
she said Rex at one point. She did. Not

1010
00:46:33,327 --> 00:46:33,743
him.

1011
00:46:33,855 --> 00:46:34,547
>> Will: Yeah.

1012
00:46:34,612 --> 00:46:37,565
>> Sarah : because there were moments because this

1013
00:46:37,621 --> 00:46:40,429
episode, now it could be.

1014
00:46:40,533 --> 00:46:43,097
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

1015
00:46:43,597 --> 00:46:46,581
East side thing, you know, because you know that they are, you know, they,

1016
00:46:46,629 --> 00:46:49,445
they are people from the east side and Rex was

1017
00:46:49,501 --> 00:46:52,053
the, you know, the. Maybe there's a connection there

1018
00:46:52,085 --> 00:46:54,937
with the, with the brothers

1019
00:46:55,357 --> 00:46:57,565
Laws's brothers being killed with Rex.

1020
00:46:57,621 --> 00:46:58,125
>> Sarah : Maybe.

1021
00:46:58,261 --> 00:46:59,262
>> Will: Yeah, maybe that's

1022
00:47:01,767 --> 00:47:04,443
>> Sarah : Maybe potentially. but yeah,

1023
00:47:04,515 --> 00:47:06,087
we, we have a great

1024
00:47:08,027 --> 00:47:10,687
breakfast moment between our

1025
00:47:11,212 --> 00:47:14,121
cold ass family who are just

1026
00:47:14,169 --> 00:47:16,831
freezing. but they're able to scramble

1027
00:47:16,879 --> 00:47:19,441
up some, some eggs

1028
00:47:19,529 --> 00:47:22,259
and, and Oz's

1029
00:47:22,323 --> 00:47:25,227
mom is kind of taken out of it and,

1030
00:47:25,307 --> 00:47:28,047
and Vic tries to help and I'm like, keep

1031
00:47:28,087 --> 00:47:31,079
going Vic. We're gonna get some answers about

1032
00:47:31,143 --> 00:47:33,855
this family. But Oz

1033
00:47:33,911 --> 00:47:36,605
shuts it down. and then

1034
00:47:36,661 --> 00:47:39,552
later we have Another, the

1035
00:47:39,592 --> 00:47:42,002
actress who plays, is

1036
00:47:42,082 --> 00:47:43,902
Oz's mom named Luis

1037
00:47:44,802 --> 00:47:47,182
Francis or Francis.

1038
00:47:47,562 --> 00:47:50,418
The actress who plays Francis. It's just continues

1039
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:53,448
to deliver and, like,

1040
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,470
a great performance, for many of the things

1041
00:47:56,526 --> 00:47:59,094
that were mentioned last week. But also

1042
00:47:59,238 --> 00:48:01,390
this scene in the tub.

1043
00:48:01,526 --> 00:48:02,086
>> Will: Yeah.

1044
00:48:02,214 --> 00:48:05,038
>> Sarah : And the. Again,

1045
00:48:05,150 --> 00:48:07,494
there's something so

1046
00:48:07,678 --> 00:48:10,502
hopeless about all

1047
00:48:10,542 --> 00:48:13,462
of these moments with Oz and his

1048
00:48:13,502 --> 00:48:16,366
mom in this episode. And even to

1049
00:48:16,414 --> 00:48:18,971
some, extent, vicious and just the

1050
00:48:18,995 --> 00:48:21,587
situation. And

1051
00:48:21,763 --> 00:48:24,515
I think they did that very well

1052
00:48:24,707 --> 00:48:27,469
because, we have to root for

1053
00:48:27,509 --> 00:48:30,189
them to get the power back on by any

1054
00:48:30,229 --> 00:48:33,101
means necessary. We have to root for them

1055
00:48:33,165 --> 00:48:35,169
for doing these things because

1056
00:48:37,629 --> 00:48:39,973
we want them to have hope and not be so

1057
00:48:40,021 --> 00:48:42,775
hopeless. And, there was a

1058
00:48:42,807 --> 00:48:45,799
line because she tells

1059
00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:48,447
them, if my

1060
00:48:48,503 --> 00:48:51,471
body. If my mind goes before my body, take

1061
00:48:51,495 --> 00:48:54,431
me out. And

1062
00:48:54,455 --> 00:48:57,375
I love his response. You're not

1063
00:48:57,407 --> 00:48:59,127
a dog. You're my mom.

1064
00:48:59,223 --> 00:49:00,339
>> Will: Mom. Yeah.

1065
00:49:01,919 --> 00:49:04,339
>> Sarah : It's just so. Again,

1066
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,233
I like how the. The

1067
00:49:08,281 --> 00:49:10,905
dialogue is written in such a natural

1068
00:49:10,977 --> 00:49:13,697
way while at the same time using

1069
00:49:13,753 --> 00:49:16,649
great metaphors. And. But

1070
00:49:16,729 --> 00:49:19,177
it's just like, yeah, that. That would be his

1071
00:49:19,233 --> 00:49:20,949
response because, like,

1072
00:49:21,729 --> 00:49:24,281
she. She's all he has

1073
00:49:24,345 --> 00:49:27,269
left and has. And it's almost.

1074
00:49:28,689 --> 00:49:31,449
We. We talk about how Oz is constantly

1075
00:49:31,489 --> 00:49:34,204
wanting to prove himself and, wants the

1076
00:49:34,244 --> 00:49:37,134
power. Like, he's power hungry.

1077
00:49:37,294 --> 00:49:40,270
He's got. He's got little

1078
00:49:40,342 --> 00:49:43,314
man disabled. Like,

1079
00:49:43,814 --> 00:49:46,598
he's got. Like, I need to prove that I'm better.

1080
00:49:46,726 --> 00:49:49,478
If not, I can eat at the same table

1081
00:49:49,526 --> 00:49:50,510
as you all.

1082
00:49:50,662 --> 00:49:51,079
>> Will: Yeah.

1083
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:54,063
>> Sarah : I'm just a poor kid, but I want you to see me as a

1084
00:49:54,087 --> 00:49:57,023
rich man. And. And yet in

1085
00:49:57,047 --> 00:49:59,823
this situation with his mom, it's not about that. It's

1086
00:49:59,847 --> 00:50:02,699
just about, like, protected this

1087
00:50:02,755 --> 00:50:05,059
person who protected him to some

1088
00:50:05,115 --> 00:50:05,831
extent.

1089
00:50:08,171 --> 00:50:11,035
And. And it's the hopelessness because

1090
00:50:11,123 --> 00:50:13,995
she's fading and he can't do anything about

1091
00:50:14,043 --> 00:50:14,539
it.

1092
00:50:14,675 --> 00:50:16,979
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1093
00:50:17,035 --> 00:50:19,867
yeah, yeah. And, yeah. And then, you know,

1094
00:50:19,899 --> 00:50:21,361
he, Yeah. And then he just

1095
00:50:22,261 --> 00:50:25,149
uses. And because

1096
00:50:25,205 --> 00:50:28,095
of that feelings of hopelessness, he's like, okay,

1097
00:50:28,143 --> 00:50:30,131
how can I turn this into an opportunity?

1098
00:50:31,351 --> 00:50:34,231
And then he, you know, with

1099
00:50:34,271 --> 00:50:35,207
his mom.

1100
00:50:35,399 --> 00:50:36,691
>> Sarah : Not with his mom.

1101
00:50:37,391 --> 00:50:40,135
>> Will: No, not with his mom, but at least as far as the opportunity

1102
00:50:40,183 --> 00:50:43,111
to, like, what can he, you know, whenever he, like, did

1103
00:50:43,151 --> 00:50:45,911
confront the city councilman, because I think it goes back to the,

1104
00:50:46,031 --> 00:50:48,759
you know, beginning of the episode where he talks about, you know, where,

1105
00:50:48,815 --> 00:50:51,743
like, the, you know, whenever he's trying to get the general, you know,

1106
00:50:51,767 --> 00:50:54,693
the electricity siphoned off for

1107
00:50:54,717 --> 00:50:57,533
you for the tunnels. You know, at first it was like the

1108
00:50:57,557 --> 00:51:00,321
motivation was to. So he can make us make the bliss.

1109
00:51:00,966 --> 00:51:02,891
but then, but then,

1110
00:51:03,771 --> 00:51:06,571
but then once they couldn't get the generator to work in the apartment,

1111
00:51:06,691 --> 00:51:09,649
to your point about breakfast and, you

1112
00:51:09,665 --> 00:51:12,529
know, and, and then, and because of the hopelessness that he feels

1113
00:51:12,545 --> 00:51:15,507
for his ma, yeah, then he was

1114
00:51:15,539 --> 00:51:18,229
like, okay, I going to

1115
00:51:18,285 --> 00:51:21,093
figure out a way, you know, the,

1116
00:51:21,197 --> 00:51:24,157
the motivation shifted from just, just from

1117
00:51:24,189 --> 00:51:27,013
the bliss to now getting, you know,

1118
00:51:27,037 --> 00:51:29,709
getting that. Getting warmth back into the city and

1119
00:51:29,765 --> 00:51:32,491
Crown Point, and. And leveraging the city.

1120
00:51:32,991 --> 00:51:33,479
Yep.

1121
00:51:33,535 --> 00:51:36,333
>> Sarah : Yeah. And being. Being a, Robin Hood,

1122
00:51:36,517 --> 00:51:38,957
which, Which I think is it. Like this

1123
00:51:38,989 --> 00:51:41,973
episode really showcases what

1124
00:51:41,997 --> 00:51:44,701
a great foil to Bruce Wayne he

1125
00:51:44,741 --> 00:51:47,741
is. Because Bruce Wayne is the rich guy.

1126
00:51:47,901 --> 00:51:49,253
>> Will: Yeah. Yep.

1127
00:51:49,317 --> 00:51:51,845
>> Sarah : He's the rich guy who.

1128
00:51:51,973 --> 00:51:54,901
Who like, drowns in sorrow because of the death

1129
00:51:54,941 --> 00:51:57,837
of his parents and all that. We know. We know who Bruce Wayne

1130
00:51:57,869 --> 00:52:00,365
is. But now we have Oz,

1131
00:52:00,453 --> 00:52:03,341
who he's just this

1132
00:52:03,381 --> 00:52:06,205
poor kid. And I'm glad you brought up Bliss

1133
00:52:06,253 --> 00:52:09,245
at the beginning, just because I didn't think about it until

1134
00:52:09,333 --> 00:52:10,881
now about how

1135
00:52:11,661 --> 00:52:12,401
that

1136
00:52:14,781 --> 00:52:16,321
drug dealing,

1137
00:52:18,126 --> 00:52:20,750
underground part

1138
00:52:20,878 --> 00:52:23,662
was so underplayed in

1139
00:52:23,694 --> 00:52:26,686
this episode, if you really think about it, that

1140
00:52:26,846 --> 00:52:29,670
a lot of the longer sequences, a lot of

1141
00:52:29,718 --> 00:52:32,110
the longer shots were all

1142
00:52:32,158 --> 00:52:34,955
occurring in this, apartment

1143
00:52:35,019 --> 00:52:37,433
building that was. That's in

1144
00:52:37,473 --> 00:52:40,321
Crown's Point that we,

1145
00:52:40,417 --> 00:52:43,133
we know from Vic's episode earlier,

1146
00:52:43,993 --> 00:52:46,761
like, had. There was so much life there.

1147
00:52:46,857 --> 00:52:49,545
But now after the events

1148
00:52:49,609 --> 00:52:52,363
of, the Riddler has. Has

1149
00:52:52,403 --> 00:52:54,943
become a place of squalor. And

1150
00:52:55,443 --> 00:52:58,267
like, now we're finding out more about

1151
00:52:58,315 --> 00:53:01,131
how the city is just turning a blind eye to it

1152
00:53:01,187 --> 00:53:03,619
because the poor people live there. And it's

1153
00:53:03,651 --> 00:53:05,943
just. It allows.

1154
00:53:07,323 --> 00:53:10,179
It fuels the speech at the

1155
00:53:10,211 --> 00:53:13,093
end of the episode at Gold Summit, which

1156
00:53:13,133 --> 00:53:16,073
turns out to just be Oz pitching himself

1157
00:53:16,413 --> 00:53:18,997
to all of the gangsters

1158
00:53:19,165 --> 00:53:22,093
and really saying, if

1159
00:53:22,133 --> 00:53:23,473
we all come together,

1160
00:53:24,973 --> 00:53:27,621
we can run Sal and Sophia out of

1161
00:53:27,677 --> 00:53:30,221
town. He's not technically

1162
00:53:30,277 --> 00:53:32,825
lying. and who

1163
00:53:32,849 --> 00:53:35,537
are the rich gangsters? It's

1164
00:53:35,585 --> 00:53:38,313
interesting how they did a good

1165
00:53:38,353 --> 00:53:41,265
job about

1166
00:53:41,369 --> 00:53:44,249
making sure it's clear. Even in this

1167
00:53:44,321 --> 00:53:45,213
underground,

1168
00:53:47,328 --> 00:53:50,193
sector of Gotham, there's a

1169
00:53:50,233 --> 00:53:52,969
hierarchy and there's classes,

1170
00:53:53,041 --> 00:53:54,613
there's a class system.

1171
00:53:57,123 --> 00:53:58,983
And so there's this,

1172
00:53:59,763 --> 00:54:02,475
like. I know at the beginning we kept talking about

1173
00:54:02,539 --> 00:54:05,211
power vacuum, but it's not even a power vacuum. It's just

1174
00:54:05,267 --> 00:54:07,811
more like, okay,

1175
00:54:07,947 --> 00:54:10,635
well, do we really need these two,

1176
00:54:10,779 --> 00:54:13,611
like, controlling majority? Or can the

1177
00:54:13,667 --> 00:54:16,379
minority, if they come together, become

1178
00:54:16,451 --> 00:54:17,379
the majority?

1179
00:54:17,491 --> 00:54:19,985
>> Will: So, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1180
00:54:20,049 --> 00:54:22,745
definitely. It is a very class,

1181
00:54:22,849 --> 00:54:25,613
almost caste system as far as,

1182
00:54:25,993 --> 00:54:28,347
you know, with the, with the, you know,

1183
00:54:28,435 --> 00:54:31,227
even I, you know, I didn't think about that until

1184
00:54:31,275 --> 00:54:33,823
you, like, drew the parallels between the two.

1185
00:54:35,443 --> 00:54:38,251
you know, the underworld has this system

1186
00:54:38,307 --> 00:54:41,211
of classism as

1187
00:54:41,227 --> 00:54:43,731
well as the, you know, just the normal rich, you

1188
00:54:43,747 --> 00:54:46,459
know, corrupt politicians and other rich people, Bruce

1189
00:54:46,491 --> 00:54:48,915
Wayne, that we see in

1190
00:54:48,939 --> 00:54:51,889
Gotham. it's just so many, so many parallels, and I think that

1191
00:54:51,921 --> 00:54:54,863
just makes for a very compelling story,

1192
00:54:54,878 --> 00:54:57,398
and why this show is just working so

1193
00:54:57,438 --> 00:55:00,254
well, you know, and as we, as we talk about this

1194
00:55:00,286 --> 00:55:03,190
episode, too, you know, one of the things, you know, we mentioned,

1195
00:55:03,214 --> 00:55:05,750
you mentioned the word family when you were talking about Sal

1196
00:55:05,814 --> 00:55:08,718
and Sophia, and really

1197
00:55:08,758 --> 00:55:11,486
it was just, you know, I guess the Found

1198
00:55:11,582 --> 00:55:14,430
Family is that recurring theme that has sort

1199
00:55:14,454 --> 00:55:17,286
of been interspersed throughout the

1200
00:55:17,342 --> 00:55:20,340
series, but it really was on display here. As far

1201
00:55:20,364 --> 00:55:23,217
as the storytelling, you know, the story

1202
00:55:23,265 --> 00:55:26,201
beats that we're focused on. You know, we have Oz, the

1203
00:55:26,217 --> 00:55:29,193
found family of Oz, Vic and Oz's mother. We have

1204
00:55:29,233 --> 00:55:32,201
the, you know, Oz and the other Crown families, you

1205
00:55:32,217 --> 00:55:35,177
know, to like, consolidate their power to overtake Sophia

1206
00:55:35,225 --> 00:55:38,091
and Sal. you know, Eve and her girls.

1207
00:55:38,187 --> 00:55:41,107
I mean, that was, you know, that was. That found family. Cause,

1208
00:55:41,275 --> 00:55:44,219
you know, that was. I think that's what made that opening scene,

1209
00:55:44,291 --> 00:55:47,179
that scene that you open up with so powerful, is

1210
00:55:47,211 --> 00:55:50,029
because, you know, Eve, you know, she. She, you know,

1211
00:55:50,061 --> 00:55:52,725
she knew about the hangman. She actually told one of her girls to,

1212
00:55:52,749 --> 00:55:55,541
like, draw her up, you know, let her, you

1213
00:55:55,557 --> 00:55:58,393
know, whenever she's going to be asking about, around on the street,

1214
00:55:58,853 --> 00:55:59,477
you know.

1215
00:55:59,565 --> 00:55:59,853
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1216
00:55:59,893 --> 00:56:02,701
>> Will: Tell her, Tell her to come up. Because she, again, Eve wanted to

1217
00:56:02,717 --> 00:56:05,597
protect her girls. Yeah. Because, you

1218
00:56:05,605 --> 00:56:08,487
know, they had that encounter at the club that night. And, and

1219
00:56:08,495 --> 00:56:11,391
it also was sort of, you know, fulfilling. You know, Eve, from

1220
00:56:11,407 --> 00:56:14,393
the very beginning was, like, worried that, you know, it's going to lead

1221
00:56:14,433 --> 00:56:17,213
back. Al's actions are going to lead back to her.

1222
00:56:17,753 --> 00:56:20,733
Yeah. So she's been planning for this

1223
00:56:21,033 --> 00:56:21,849
and. Oh, yeah.

1224
00:56:21,881 --> 00:56:24,625
>> Sarah : Oh, she's. She. She cut

1225
00:56:24,689 --> 00:56:27,553
ties. That's part of the reason why she didn't go to Crown's

1226
00:56:27,593 --> 00:56:30,321
Point with us, because she didn't.

1227
00:56:30,417 --> 00:56:33,321
She didn't want anything to do with it or the Hangman. I

1228
00:56:33,337 --> 00:56:36,329
think it's also worth pointing out, with

1229
00:56:36,361 --> 00:56:39,187
how, how you brought up, the continued stories

1230
00:56:39,235 --> 00:56:41,823
of Rex Calabarry that we're hearing,

1231
00:56:42,138 --> 00:56:45,001
during Gold Summit. Another reason

1232
00:56:45,097 --> 00:56:47,945
why it's so evident these people

1233
00:56:48,009 --> 00:56:50,793
would suddenly start to listen to Oz is

1234
00:56:50,833 --> 00:56:53,573
because he played that card of,

1235
00:56:54,113 --> 00:56:56,713
I know who y'all are. I know

1236
00:56:56,793 --> 00:56:59,051
your family. He has that, line about

1237
00:56:59,123 --> 00:56:59,939
Benny.

1238
00:57:00,107 --> 00:57:00,899
>> Will: Yep.

1239
00:57:01,067 --> 00:57:04,019
>> Sarah : Or like, like your, your, your

1240
00:57:04,067 --> 00:57:07,015
father built that bridge and all this stuff.

1241
00:57:07,565 --> 00:57:08,677
Her names.

1242
00:57:08,781 --> 00:57:09,117
>> Will: Yeah.

1243
00:57:09,181 --> 00:57:12,141
>> Sarah : Like. And it's something. It's something out

1244
00:57:12,173 --> 00:57:14,613
of. Out of. I don't know. I keep

1245
00:57:14,669 --> 00:57:17,085
thinking. I keep thinking about a

1246
00:57:17,125 --> 00:57:20,065
movie. The Newsies.

1247
00:57:21,485 --> 00:57:24,285
Okay. Okay. Classic. Classic.

1248
00:57:24,405 --> 00:57:27,069
Classic. Okay. Kristian Bale in his

1249
00:57:27,117 --> 00:57:29,909
prime. No, Kristian

1250
00:57:29,957 --> 00:57:32,945
Bale in his prime was Batman, but still.

1251
00:57:33,325 --> 00:57:36,225
Okay, if you ever want to watch

1252
00:57:36,405 --> 00:57:39,129
Batman carry a tune, go check out the Newsies.

1253
00:57:39,217 --> 00:57:41,865
Okay. I wonder if it's on

1254
00:57:41,905 --> 00:57:44,681
Disney. My brother was obsessed with

1255
00:57:44,713 --> 00:57:47,265
that. We watched it like at least once a year during my

1256
00:57:47,305 --> 00:57:48,073
childhood, so.

1257
00:57:48,129 --> 00:57:48,681
>> Will: That's awesome.

1258
00:57:48,753 --> 00:57:51,737
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, I'm

1259
00:57:51,801 --> 00:57:54,445
very familiar with it. But I keep thinking about

1260
00:57:54,865 --> 00:57:57,793
that whole thing because it was about the newsboys

1261
00:57:57,849 --> 00:58:00,425
banding together to overthrow the

1262
00:58:00,465 --> 00:58:03,399
newspaper company and publishing all that

1263
00:58:03,447 --> 00:58:06,359
stuff. And it just. This whole

1264
00:58:06,407 --> 00:58:09,407
gold summit turns into a scene that feels

1265
00:58:09,431 --> 00:58:12,063
like it's out of the newsies where it's

1266
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:15,047
like, we can't let them get away

1267
00:58:15,111 --> 00:58:17,791
with this. We got to come together and

1268
00:58:17,823 --> 00:58:20,527
rise up because. Because we're the

1269
00:58:20,551 --> 00:58:21,479
working men.

1270
00:58:21,607 --> 00:58:21,967
>> Will: Yeah.

1271
00:58:22,031 --> 00:58:24,727
>> Sarah : And it's. I mean, it's a stretch because

1272
00:58:24,871 --> 00:58:27,759
arguably all of

1273
00:58:27,847 --> 00:58:30,823
like the people he's talking to are primarily the bosses

1274
00:58:30,879 --> 00:58:32,855
of the working men, but still

1275
00:58:33,755 --> 00:58:36,655
he, he, he uses that card,

1276
00:58:36,930 --> 00:58:39,481
to unionize. And, and I think

1277
00:58:39,553 --> 00:58:42,361
that's. That it's a showcase of,

1278
00:58:42,553 --> 00:58:45,441
of again. What this series is set

1279
00:58:45,473 --> 00:58:48,369
up to do is how Penguin comes

1280
00:58:48,417 --> 00:58:50,565
into power the way he does.

1281
00:58:50,955 --> 00:58:53,843
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, it's totally. Yeah. That. Yeah. I mean,

1282
00:58:53,899 --> 00:58:56,699
like you said, the setting up that

1283
00:58:56,747 --> 00:58:59,667
foil, with, with like again the class

1284
00:58:59,731 --> 00:59:02,571
system and. Yeah, because. Yeah, I mean, it was the. He, he hit all the right

1285
00:59:02,603 --> 00:59:05,467
buttons. You know, it's like, you know, talking about Donnie. Yeah. Hey,

1286
00:59:05,531 --> 00:59:08,443
Donny boy in the bridge. And, and even,

1287
00:59:08,499 --> 00:59:10,907
even at the end, you know, when Zhao, like

1288
00:59:10,971 --> 00:59:13,661
finally, you know, you know,

1289
00:59:13,733 --> 00:59:16,181
challenges about the code and he's like, yeah, you

1290
00:59:16,213 --> 00:59:19,181
know, I do have, you know, you know, he just throws

1291
00:59:19,213 --> 00:59:21,925
everything back. I mean, he had, you know, he, he. It was,

1292
00:59:22,085 --> 00:59:24,921
that was a very solid moment too.

1293
00:59:25,033 --> 00:59:28,033
And it's believed, you know, and all the things that they've led up

1294
00:59:28,049 --> 00:59:29,965
to this moment, it shows

1295
00:59:30,785 --> 00:59:33,405
why it's believable that he does become

1296
00:59:33,825 --> 00:59:36,205
the, you know, gentleman criminal

1297
00:59:36,945 --> 00:59:38,845
lead of Gotham.

1298
00:59:40,265 --> 00:59:42,761
>> Sarah : Yeah, the, the

1299
00:59:42,793 --> 00:59:45,713
other big thing that happens in this episode

1300
00:59:45,809 --> 00:59:48,061
is, Vic kills Squidward.

1301
00:59:48,203 --> 00:59:50,937
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. That was the one place where I was kind of

1302
00:59:50,961 --> 00:59:53,929
like, okay, I saw where it was. You know, we saw it coming. So I was kind of a

1303
00:59:53,937 --> 00:59:56,285
little underwhelmed by the

1304
00:59:57,545 --> 01:00:00,241
it. But also But I think the reaction

1305
01:00:00,353 --> 01:00:02,485
of Vic,

1306
01:00:03,865 --> 01:00:06,729
with. With Oz, and then I think what.

1307
01:00:06,817 --> 01:00:09,177
What. What's. What helped make

1308
01:00:09,201 --> 01:00:12,137
it more salient for

1309
01:00:12,161 --> 01:00:15,097
me was when Vic was sitting there in the. In the

1310
01:00:15,121 --> 01:00:17,745
apartment, and he saw the blood stain on the shoe and he was, like,

1311
01:00:17,825 --> 01:00:20,337
rubbing it off, because I think that

1312
01:00:20,361 --> 01:00:23,177
was where it was just like, you know, the circle

1313
01:00:23,201 --> 01:00:25,045
is. He has completely fallen

1314
01:00:26,145 --> 01:00:28,673
from the kid that, you know, had a choice

1315
01:00:28,849 --> 01:00:31,721
multiple times to, like, get out of this world, but he has

1316
01:00:31,753 --> 01:00:34,641
decided to go this route, and he's. He's

1317
01:00:34,673 --> 01:00:36,085
fully committed to it now.

1318
01:00:37,385 --> 01:00:40,297
>> Sarah : Well, he kind of does it accidentally in

1319
01:00:40,321 --> 01:00:41,369
a weird way.

1320
01:00:41,537 --> 01:00:42,885
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

1321
01:00:45,065 --> 01:00:47,929
>> Sarah : And he tried to talk to Oz about it, but.

1322
01:00:47,977 --> 01:00:50,969
Wrong time. Wrong time to bring that up. And then

1323
01:00:51,017 --> 01:00:53,905
he ends up having to, like, he. I don't.

1324
01:00:53,985 --> 01:00:56,929
A fall from grace is hard. He. He's.

1325
01:00:57,017 --> 01:00:59,445
He definitely. It's like, okay, well,

1326
01:00:59,985 --> 01:01:02,857
where are you gonna go from here? Like, we'll see

1327
01:01:03,001 --> 01:01:05,605
next week if that haunts him. But.

1328
01:01:05,945 --> 01:01:08,885
But now we don't know. He's going to be in a

1329
01:01:08,925 --> 01:01:11,425
hostage situation with Sophia.

1330
01:01:11,845 --> 01:01:14,471
And if Sophia finds out that he, kind of

1331
01:01:14,503 --> 01:01:16,991
helped Oz bury her

1332
01:01:17,023 --> 01:01:18,995
brother in a weird way.

1333
01:01:20,135 --> 01:01:22,767
So I don't know how much is coming out of

1334
01:01:22,791 --> 01:01:25,421
that. I honestly, I like how

1335
01:01:25,453 --> 01:01:28,285
there's. I don't know,

1336
01:01:28,405 --> 01:01:31,101
there's a bit of doubt now

1337
01:01:31,213 --> 01:01:33,905
in my mind if. If Vic will make it

1338
01:01:33,985 --> 01:01:35,177
past this season.

1339
01:01:35,321 --> 01:01:35,660
>> Will: Yeah.

1340
01:01:35,660 --> 01:01:38,364
>> Sarah : Yeah, I think it's more

1341
01:01:38,436 --> 01:01:41,356
likely that we'll say goodbye to Francis

1342
01:01:41,452 --> 01:01:44,026
by. By the end of this. and not

1343
01:01:44,082 --> 01:01:46,626
both. I don't think it's going to be both,

1344
01:01:46,722 --> 01:01:49,088
but I agree. but I do

1345
01:01:49,168 --> 01:01:51,984
appreciate the little bit of doubt now

1346
01:01:52,056 --> 01:01:54,788
where I'm like, I don't know, it could go either way.

1347
01:01:55,448 --> 01:01:56,123
50. 50.

1348
01:01:57,308 --> 01:02:00,292
>> Sarah : But I. So.

1349
01:02:00,380 --> 01:02:03,356
So I did like that moment with the blood on

1350
01:02:03,372 --> 01:02:06,076
the shoes, too. I thought it was just

1351
01:02:06,132 --> 01:02:08,353
enough. Although

1352
01:02:09,813 --> 01:02:12,709
by that point in the episode, what kind of killed me

1353
01:02:12,741 --> 01:02:15,573
is like, oh, okay, you're gonna let him

1354
01:02:15,613 --> 01:02:18,509
go home, and that's when Sophia's gonna walk

1355
01:02:18,541 --> 01:02:21,213
in. Got it. Got it.

1356
01:02:21,373 --> 01:02:24,313
So he's at home while you're doing this,

1357
01:02:24,753 --> 01:02:27,737
and you've left the two people who you arguably, care about

1358
01:02:27,785 --> 01:02:30,665
the most in the same location. That just so

1359
01:02:30,689 --> 01:02:33,673
happens. So. God. So I saw that whole thing.

1360
01:02:33,793 --> 01:02:36,601
I still really appreciated the lights

1361
01:02:36,657 --> 01:02:39,409
coming on, the music start playing, and then the

1362
01:02:39,441 --> 01:02:42,089
dance dancing. Because, again, it's

1363
01:02:42,121 --> 01:02:44,401
just like, Oz isn't there.

1364
01:02:44,577 --> 01:02:47,505
But by the point. That point in

1365
01:02:47,529 --> 01:02:50,259
this episode, it's just like you,

1366
01:02:50,371 --> 01:02:53,291
like, with everything coming back on there's life,

1367
01:02:53,347 --> 01:02:55,803
there's energy and there's hope.

1368
01:02:55,963 --> 01:02:56,538
>> Will: Yep.

1369
01:02:56,973 --> 01:02:59,293
>> Sarah : so just. So, yeah, it's.

1370
01:02:59,373 --> 01:03:02,333
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Just when you have hope and then

1371
01:03:02,373 --> 01:03:04,877
you see. So Sophia, like, you know,

1372
01:03:04,925 --> 01:03:07,589
slinking up in there and it's, you know, with

1373
01:03:07,621 --> 01:03:10,597
the, you know, whenever you hear. And the thing is too,

1374
01:03:10,645 --> 01:03:13,221
like, Vic actually heard, you

1375
01:03:13,237 --> 01:03:15,879
know, her, like, break, you know,

1376
01:03:15,951 --> 01:03:18,839
breaking into the place and, you know, because he gets

1377
01:03:18,871 --> 01:03:21,711
up and. But then, you know, the music, the power comes on. The

1378
01:03:21,727 --> 01:03:24,695
music is really loud and. And you know, so. Yeah, you're

1379
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:27,103
right. I mean, it's just like everything, just the

1380
01:03:27,263 --> 01:03:30,243
convergence of things happening.

1381
01:03:32,083 --> 01:03:34,979
Yeah, you framed it perfectly. It's like you do

1382
01:03:35,011 --> 01:03:36,623
have hope and then all of a sudden,

1383
01:03:37,883 --> 01:03:38,827
cliffhanger.

1384
01:03:38,955 --> 01:03:41,935
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. You're. You're

1385
01:03:41,959 --> 01:03:44,911
still like, this is a TV show that has a few more episodes

1386
01:03:44,967 --> 01:03:47,207
to go, but you're still like, oh,

1387
01:03:47,375 --> 01:03:50,199
well, I. I wish she was a little

1388
01:03:50,271 --> 01:03:52,951
bit more sinister looking because

1389
01:03:53,007 --> 01:03:55,723
she, she honestly just looked

1390
01:03:56,543 --> 01:03:59,359
like. I don't even know how to

1391
01:03:59,391 --> 01:04:02,247
describe it. She just, she had this state

1392
01:04:02,295 --> 01:04:05,015
of like, oh, I'm. I'm a

1393
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:07,487
peeping Tom right now. And just watching.

1394
01:04:07,575 --> 01:04:10,351
>> Will: Well, well, you know, it goes back to like, you know, whenever

1395
01:04:10,407 --> 01:04:13,331
they broke into. And style. Broke into his apartment,

1396
01:04:13,387 --> 01:04:15,963
all this time she thought that his family. He had no

1397
01:04:16,003 --> 01:04:18,867
family. So now, you know, it was almost like it

1398
01:04:18,875 --> 01:04:21,774
was stunt. She was, maybe stunned that.

1399
01:04:22,234 --> 01:04:24,978
>> Sarah : Yes, that. That's a fair point. That's a fair

1400
01:04:25,026 --> 01:04:27,946
point that I, I didn't forget. But

1401
01:04:28,050 --> 01:04:30,762
yes, she was under the impression the mom

1402
01:04:30,818 --> 01:04:33,554
was dead. She didn't know anything about the

1403
01:04:33,594 --> 01:04:34,210
dad.

1404
01:04:34,362 --> 01:04:35,079
>> Will: Yeah.

1405
01:04:35,079 --> 01:04:37,671
>> Sarah : so which we're under the

1406
01:04:37,695 --> 01:04:40,031
impression that almost the dad's pretty much

1407
01:04:40,095 --> 01:04:42,721
dead and, and the

1408
01:04:42,745 --> 01:04:44,937
mom's all he has. But we also.

1409
01:04:45,113 --> 01:04:48,081
Yeah, so they kind of did a reverse of

1410
01:04:48,145 --> 01:04:50,977
perspective between the viewers and Sophia. But,

1411
01:04:51,073 --> 01:04:53,953
but yeah, that's, that's fair. That she would be like,

1412
01:04:54,081 --> 01:04:57,001
wait a second, why is an old lady here dancing

1413
01:04:57,065 --> 01:04:59,809
with. And, and. And she

1414
01:04:59,849 --> 01:05:02,689
knows Vic. She's met him. So I'm sure,

1415
01:05:02,769 --> 01:05:05,433
I'm sure she's placed his face. But

1416
01:05:05,561 --> 01:05:08,265
I don't know. They. They had such brief interactions

1417
01:05:08,337 --> 01:05:10,149
that I don't know by how much.

1418
01:05:11,249 --> 01:05:13,713
she. She puts two, two and two

1419
01:05:13,761 --> 01:05:14,329
together.

1420
01:05:14,489 --> 01:05:15,074
>> Will: Yeah.

1421
01:05:16,769 --> 01:05:19,625
>> Sarah : but. Well, that, that sets us up

1422
01:05:19,657 --> 01:05:22,417
for next week where we will continue on

1423
01:05:22,473 --> 01:05:25,288
both of these journeys. And on, that note, Will, why don't you tell our

1424
01:05:25,328 --> 01:05:26,968
listeners where they can find you?

1425
01:05:27,128 --> 01:05:30,080
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on X. Formerly known

1426
01:05:30,104 --> 01:05:32,736
as. Formerly known as Twitter at W

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01:05:32,872 --> 01:05:35,848
I L L M P O P O L K will

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01:05:35,888 --> 01:05:37,128
impol and you can.

1429
01:05:37,168 --> 01:05:40,168
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