Double Trouble: Inside The Penguin's Plot & Agatha's Surprises!

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>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is this is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont. And with me, as

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always, is our mystery producer, will polk. How are you doing tonight,

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will?

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>> Will: Hanging in there, Sarah. How are you doing this evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm doing good, but I'm not calling. I'm

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not doing this from North Carolina.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. we,

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we are, unfortunately, the western part of

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our state. Did you, probably seen in the news,

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where the western, North Carolina

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got, hit along with several other states

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like Florida and Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee and

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southwest Virginia, eastern, Tennessee.

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we all got impacted by, hurricane

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Helene.

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>> Will: it was. But, we. North Carolina, we. I think we

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definitely got the, the worst of it.

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>> Will: you know, a lot of our communities in the western part of state

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are still. Are still cut off. And,

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you know, this is just. I mean, it's. It's thought

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hyperbole, to say. It's like biblical proportions as

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far as of some of the

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devastation and loss of life that we, that we've

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had here. So, I wanted to use

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this opportunity to, you know, you know, many of

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our listeners may be in some of the impacted areas, if

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you. If you are able to get an Internet right now because, I mean,

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even that slight cut off. But, if we can, you know, hopefully you

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can enjoy us, talking about some, just things

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to get your minds off of what's happened. but

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also for, folks who are looking to

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help, because, this is you know, we're still in the

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early stages. I mean, we're still in the response

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mode, quite frankly. I mean, they're still plucking, you know, risk on people

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from areas that have been cut off and getting resources

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and food and water and, you know, commodities to

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areas that's been, hit.

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But, you know, if you. If you do well, I'll be sure to

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put these links in our, in our show notes. But,

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for North Carolina, at least, you, can go to my agency

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where I work, where I do work in emergency

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management. And we're, you know, we definitely

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can use all the help and resources. And if you want

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to find ways to volunteer or donate

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money, and find out a little bit information about, you know, friends or

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loved ones who may have been impacted by, by this event, you

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can go to NCDPs,

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dot gov, backslash

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Helene. That's our, that's our page where we have all

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our central repository for all

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things response to this

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storm. also, the American Red Cross

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is, one of many

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organizations that, you can donate

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to, not only for us here in North Carolina, but also

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the other impacted states. And, the big thing

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that I could just share, if you do want to

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donate, or want to help out, please don't self deploy

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into the area. and please don't just donate stuff

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randomly. that this creates disaster

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within a disaster, because a lot of times,

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if there's no one there to receive it,

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then it doesn't get to the people that can help.

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And also it just causes, you know, slows down

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the response from. From us

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as far as the state, but also all the non government

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organizations and other people who are on the ground helping to get things back,

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people back on their feet out there.

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So, but thank you all for, you know,

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for folks who are sending your thoughts and prayers to our state.

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And, we greatly appreciate it. And I

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know it's, you know, I know we have fun on this. On this podcast, but

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just, wanted to. To share that this is sort of to kick off

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the episode this week. because I know a lot of people are probably

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wondering what they can do to help and wanted to point you in the

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directions for ways you can help us out in this state

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and other states that was impacted by Helene.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, thank you. I think that's

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a good use of time.

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but I will bring us back to what

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the listeners are here for.

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>> Will: Yeah. I want to have some fun, too. Cause it's been.

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It's been a rough ten days.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Cause while you're. You're dealing all that

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and are in the trenches, I've been just

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cleaning up shows. Okay.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So recently, I brought up

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the show monsters. Yeah.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And I did. I did end up watching

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it. episode five

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was not what I expected it to be, but I heard

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something, and I know why. That's the

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episode that

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I will say if you're curious about this show,

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but you're also, like, on the fence because of Ryan

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Murphy isms.

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I would watch that episode, like, at the end of

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the day, I think. I think. I'm not going

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to explain why in detail. Not that

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it's anything shocking, but, it

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is very

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simplistically brilliant,

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what that episode does.

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And so my overall review of the

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show is that it

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starts off very weird.

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Like I was saying the week prior, I

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was kind of on the fence because of

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everything. And then it kind of in the middle.

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I got really sucked into it,

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and then by the end of it, it kind of

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went full circle and kind of ended

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the same way it started, where I'm just like,

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oh. Because there's a lot of perspectives,

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that are shown. And I think

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from my perspective, as someone who really had

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no idea about this case before, now

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I can see

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why Ryan Murphy

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presented it the way he did with all of the

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perspectives. it's

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not because the case itself

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is not the typical case.

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I mean, we're not. We're not saying they didn't kill their

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parents. That's not what this is about.

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They did. But the whole

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answer to the why

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and that. And I

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know I haven't done too much any

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research to see, like, well,

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what did he leave out? Or is being currently

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accused by the Mendez family of

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having left off. Left out. But at the end of the

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day, the guy is trying to make a show like, he's

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not necessarily gonna go beat for

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beat, and he's. He's

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gonna try to capture it in an artistic way

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and bring out nuances and not

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get clogged down to. And then they had

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this witness, and this witness said exactly

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this, and this happened. It's like, no,

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there. There's a. It's. It

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is fiction to some degree.

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So I. Yeah, so

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overall, I think it's good. I still. It's

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nothing quite OJ, but I also,

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I think the middle is really strong. I did.

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Funny story, though. I did pull a

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me, because there's an episode towards the

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end that is fully focused on the parents

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and, like, how they met and everything. And I

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skipped it. I skipped it because

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I wanted to, ah, like, there was momentum

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with the present day storyline, and I wanted to get back

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to that. So after I finished it, I went back to that

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episode and put that.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's funny you mentioned

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episode five. So, I. You know, just as I'm trying to, like,

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just get back into the news

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cycle of other things in the world, I did

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just happen to see some of the stuff about episode five

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and some of the, I guess,

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Ryan Murphy's comments. And, I think Kim Kardashian

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came out tonight, you know, really asking

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the La Da's office to, really

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examine, re examine some of the evidence, particularly, I

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guess, the issues about, I remember,

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I think, one of the whys they said that,

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the brothers did this was because they were sexually abused

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by their father. and so, you know, I

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haven't watched the show, obviously, but, but, you know, I

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have Scene some of the recent, comments and

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media that drop has dropped this. This evening as it

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relates to. To. To that fifth episode that you just

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shared, some details about. So,

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yeah, so, yeah, I mean, I think I m just saw the variety

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headline. Ryan Murphy predicts Menendez brothers be out of jail by

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Christmas.

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>> Sarah : So, you know, it could happen. A lot of

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people have been very

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swayed by it. and. And I can

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understand why, to a degree.

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but there's another side of me is

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like, well,

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he. He had to make them a hero to it.

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Like he's telling a story. I don't

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know. I don't know. but we'll see

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what happens.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I also. I watched binge

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the. And I didn't know this. Okay. It's the

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new Adam Brody and Criston,

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bell show on Netflix.

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nobody wants this.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : Very advertised, very standard. Like,

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typical Netflix movie. Yes,

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emphasis on movie. That's what I thought this was. No, no, no.

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It's a show. It's a legit

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show. that is actually,

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I believe, somebody correct me if I'm

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wrong, written and produced by the

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wife of Jason Biggs.

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>> Will: Really.

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>> Sarah : And it's to some extent

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based on their relationship.

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I thought I was just gonna be like, oh,

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this is all right. Something like. Like an Emily in

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Paris. I really like this show.

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I like this show. Not just because,

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like, Criston and,

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Adam Brody, they both have

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chemistry together, but it's more of the

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chemistry with, Adam

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Brody's character's brother and

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Criston Bell's sister and the

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families and the

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supporting cast. It really

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becomes a fuller world than

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just these two people who,

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are meeting at a later stage in life

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and trying to figure things out. and they

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also did a really good job of

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making it clear how much these

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two connect, but

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at the same time, the

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stakes for if they can

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actually, like, fully commit.

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and so this. We're talking about an adult, real

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relationship, which is a

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rarity on screen.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So, I was really impressed by

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it. By it. Like, don't get me wrong, still

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a lot of fluff, a lot of, like you could

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predict, but I was caught

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off guard by the end of it, I was like, I actually

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enjoyed my time, with it.

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And I really. The supporting cast

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and, they did a good

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job for it being a season

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one, leaving you with some

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resolution while

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simultaneously being like, well, we better

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get a season two because you got

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too many open doors here. Okay,

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I need to know not just what's happening with this

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relationship, but there's this other thing going on

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with the sister and the brother. The brother who's also

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married. And you would think, well, okay,

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then his wife's the villain. No, you actually end up.

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You kind of like her, too. And it's just

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they did a good job of,

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building a world, that you want to go

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back to and spend more time in.

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through that very easy binge. I don't even think it's

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ten episodes. and I'm pretty

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sure, like, half hour episodes, too.

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>> Will: Okay. Oh, that's even easier to get through. Yeah, for sure.

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>> Sarah : Exactly. I was just

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getting them over with, and

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then I recently started because,

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sometimes and listeners know

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this about me, the for you stuff

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just, like, comes at me, and I'm like, fine, I

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give in. I'll actually check this thing out because I feel

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like I hear about it every five minutes with some

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sort of ad. But right now on Hulu, season

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two of this show has been airing, and I just feel like

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it's being crammed down my

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throat. So I finally started, Tell me

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lies, which is, How do I put

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this? The r rated

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version of, I don't know, a gossip girl,

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a one tree hill. but definitely r rated.

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I was surprised by how r. Like,

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don't get me wrong, it's not. It's not

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extremely. But I'm just like, man,

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we. It's

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like every other scene is somebody trying to

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fuck. And you see others, like, ten

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minute long kissing scenes. Like, come on.

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So I started it. We'll see

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if I can get through the first season,

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and stick it out to get through the second season.

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But, yeah, so. And on

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top of that, I've just been keeping up with, the two shows that

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we're about to talk about tonight. So.

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Agatha long. We're just doing episode

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three, the. That is called.

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Through many miles of tricks and trials, the

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coven faces their first perilous trial

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on the witches road.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : This episode, in a way, kind of pissed

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me off because I was watching

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it and I was like, I really, like, misses

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Hartley. And then by the

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end of it, they kill her. Now, I know, I know.

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There's a part of me that's like, she's not dead.

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>> Will: you can't kill Deborah Joe repo. I mean, she's, like, probably the

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best character on the show. Other than that.

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>> Sarah : Like, seriously. I

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mean, they get onto the road. And she's like, I'm pretty sure

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this is what we call kidnapping.

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And it's just you. You need her.

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And I also just find it weird watching

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a Disney plus show and they kill someone who's

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not gonna eventually come back to life. You know, it's

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just rarity for that to happen.

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so. But overall,

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I think the first two episodes were a bit

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stronger. But there's

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still consistency and. Oh

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yeah. Okay, now let's.

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Let's put misses Hart aside.

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like, like we have her on a pedestal. But

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I mean, they did do something

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and start a thread that I was A, not

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expecting and B, was

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very impressed by. And it's the whole

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Agatha having a child.

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Having what they say

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give up that child in exchange for the book of the dam.

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And why I was so impressed by this is because

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WandaVision was all about

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Wanda using her powers

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to create the nuclear

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family. To have children

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to live in this world.

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And they started the seed

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that Agatha did the opposite.

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And I don't believe there was

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any notion of that in

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WandaVision. But I think it's

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a really smart thing to do considering this is a

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spinoff. And although Wanda isn't

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necessarily in the show, her presence is really

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strong. And she still is

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to an extent a foil for Agatha and

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vice versa.

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>> Will: Oh, yeah, yeah. As you. As you were talking about that,

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I completely agree. And thought about that too,

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that you said it perfectly. I mean they're are,

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they are, you know, she is a foil of act of

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Wanda. And That was when I

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was watching episode. I had a similar.

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Similar reaction to that about

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the Her

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trading her child for. For the

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book. And. But

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into your point about consistency, it is that it's a.

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It's consistent with what we know about

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Agatha and this and.

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And why all the other, While the other

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three, witches,

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have shared their

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concern, all their concerns about her and her

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selfishness and other things. And even as we saw in this

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episode, while everybody else's,

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the real Housewives of Eastwick were

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Westview were like, Doing their

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thing, Agatha

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was again pouring. Pouring the wine out

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and you know, not drinking it. So,

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all those things together just really.

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I thought, I agree with you. I think the first

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two episodes were stronger. But this. But I have to

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say, this was a good episode.

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I have not been let down by this series so far.

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And it's actually nice to have a series that,

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you know, is a really. A self contained story about what's going

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on in with, with Agatha

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and these witches as they are on this, on the, on the

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road, instead of having it, you have to spill off into

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the larger MCU.

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>> Sarah : Right, right. I mean, granted, they did do a

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Mephisto reference.

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>> Will: Yeah. As soon as I saw.

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I laughed out loud when I saw that. They're like, yep.

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You know, but I think this is the first time in canon

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MCU that they actually have used the name. I know they've

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danced around it because, you know, and then they were like,

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okay, we're going to throw you guys a bone after all these

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years, and.

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>> Sarah : Now everyone and their mother is still

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casting, or have just started casting.

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Mephisto. Yeah.

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>> Will: Sasha Perry Cohen. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : The name. So we better get there.

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Just a spoiler alert. By

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the time we get there, y'all, Mephisto is just gonna

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let us all down.

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There's something about it where if it goes,

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if the seed is left

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unbloomed for too long, it's

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like it just disappoints by the time we

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actually get there, so. Or maybe. Or maybe

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they're doing the slow game, I don't know. But, a, part of

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this is also, well,

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she gave up her kid and to

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Mephisto, if I heard

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correctly. And. And

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so potentially he could

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still have the kid. The kid could be the

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kid on the show. Even though it's

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highly unlikely. it's more

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likely that it's Wanda's kid.

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but then again, which still works

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because of what we just were talking about with

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Wanda and Agatha being

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really good foils for one another.

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And, I keep thinking about that scene

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where she sees the crib, like she

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has hallucination and she

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removes it and then sees the book

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and something that you said.

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Everyone knows how much

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Agatha, craves

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power and needs

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it and it fulfills

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her. But

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I'm trying to think if maybe

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they're getting, like, by using

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this or, planning, starting this thread,

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it's like. But if she

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sacrificed her kid

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for the power, it's almost like she

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has to have it and more of it

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in order to make that sacrifice,

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like, worth it. But ultimately, on the

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other day, like, it's never going to balance.

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Like, her scales will never balance.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I completely agreed.

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Agreed.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, it's, it's. I will

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see how far they go. I mean, we've just started

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on this. but if they, they get any more

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nuances, with that whole

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storyline. but overall, I mean,

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besides misses Hart,

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or even with misses Hart, like

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the covenant itself, it is like

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watching a housewives

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show.

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>> Will: Yeah, that's the other thing, too. I mean, they are.

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That's another thing that they're just going to

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consistently, like, do I think the rest of

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this series, which is to play off of

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other things in pop culture and

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tv shows,

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various, like, inspirations.

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because, you know, we had sort of like, the. This

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house was that they come across when they had this.

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This trial was like a very, you know, New England,

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you know, middle suburban, middle

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class, you know, place. And,

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you know, whenever they, like, you know, go into it and

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they go in, clothes change

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and, you know, so this whole

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vibe about it was really, really, enjoyable.

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But also, you know, with the other ladies and

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the witches in the coven, you know,

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we get more about their stories and their

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backgrounds, especially when they drink the wine and have the, you know, had

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the flashbacks as far as

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various things in their past,

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you know, with Jen and the, and the doctor

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and, Lila with the,

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She had the, you know, you know, I guess she. I guess whenever the

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teen was talking to her about her mother, I guess,

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you know, she had her issues with her mother or my. Is

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that Lila or is that the other.

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>> Sarah : It's been a while since I've watched this

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episode, so I will admit I still

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have yet to really place names with

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faces.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : But, but yeah, they are. They are making

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sure that it starts to become

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somewhat of an ensemble, with

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crew. Still don't know how long we'll be on

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the road. That's. That's currently my big question

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right now. How many episodes can they,

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pun intended, stretch this road?

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>> Will: Right? Yeah. Yeah. Because, I mean, there's. We're

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already episode three. We got five left. So,

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you know, so. And I think they. I think they did say, if I recall,

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there's three trials.

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>> Sarah : I see. I don't even remember how many trials. I felt

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like there was a trial for each. Each one of the

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witches talent, but. So

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I don't. I don't know. But yeah,

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but I don't. I

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think there'll be at least one episode

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at the end where we're not on the road.

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>> Sarah : Hopefully more. Yeah, yeah,

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yeah.

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>> Will: No, I think. I think the road is,

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again, the path is the.

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Is. We'll probably get off the. We'll

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probably at the penultimate episode is where we'll finally

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get off the path because, you know, because they got to set up for

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the. Whatever the big finale is going to

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be. you know, because it. At the end of the day, is still a

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Marvel show. So we're going to have that.

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>> Sarah : Big finale is going to be. It's going to be her,

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confronting the Salem five or Salem

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seven, whoever. And

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Audrey Plaza will be back, like.

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>> Will: Right, right. And to that, I'm glad you brought that. That up. So

517
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along. Along the way, you know, so this episode of the

518
00:24:35,482 --> 00:24:37,910
Salem five, the Salem seven or whatever,

519
00:24:38,058 --> 00:24:40,792
not involved at all. but

520
00:24:40,824 --> 00:24:43,304
there. But there are going. There is going to be a place

521
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:46,096
where, you know, those witches are going to be able

522
00:24:46,136 --> 00:24:48,976
to come down on the path as well. So.

523
00:24:49,056 --> 00:24:52,036
So it's only a matter of time whether it's next week or,

524
00:24:52,336 --> 00:24:55,218
week or episode five. Well, I guess episode

525
00:24:55,242 --> 00:24:57,642
four, which just aired yesterday. I know we're a week

526
00:24:57,674 --> 00:25:00,484
behind, but, as a recording.

527
00:25:00,620 --> 00:25:03,462
But, Yeah, so those. Those folks do have to get reintroduced into

528
00:25:03,494 --> 00:25:06,350
the story because they can't be put on the shelf

529
00:25:06,398 --> 00:25:08,286
until, you know, to the penultimate.

530
00:25:08,866 --> 00:25:11,446
>> Sarah : Right, right. You

531
00:25:11,826 --> 00:25:14,162
heard that, writers, you can't do that to will.

532
00:25:14,234 --> 00:25:15,006
Okay?

533
00:25:15,386 --> 00:25:17,286
>> Will: No, you cannot. No, you cannot.

534
00:25:17,746 --> 00:25:18,486
Yeah.

535
00:25:18,986 --> 00:25:21,914
>> Sarah : What was your initial thoughts about the episode? The inside

536
00:25:21,970 --> 00:25:22,566
man.

537
00:25:23,146 --> 00:25:26,058
>> Will: Yeah, so movement to the penguin. The inside man.

538
00:25:26,122 --> 00:25:29,052
So, you know, this was episode two

539
00:25:29,132 --> 00:25:32,060
of the series, and I really, you know, sometimes you'll have the

540
00:25:32,076 --> 00:25:34,960
soft, proverbial sophomore slump, but

541
00:25:35,016 --> 00:25:38,000
I did not feel that way with this episode. So

542
00:25:38,096 --> 00:25:41,050
I initially watched it on Sunday evening. you know,

543
00:25:41,066 --> 00:25:44,024
it was pretty tired, but I really enjoyed it. Then, I

544
00:25:44,048 --> 00:25:47,012
did watch it again this evening just to,

545
00:25:46,962 --> 00:25:49,490
help me fill in the gaps and things. I was like, no, what happened?

546
00:25:49,506 --> 00:25:51,962
Again? But it definitely,

547
00:25:52,002 --> 00:25:54,818
like, I'm rocking with this

548
00:25:54,850 --> 00:25:57,142
series. I am thoroughly

549
00:25:57,482 --> 00:26:00,290
enjoying. We're the penguin. I mean,

550
00:26:00,306 --> 00:26:03,250
we're eating well in October right now as far

551
00:26:03,266 --> 00:26:05,518
as shows, which is. And, And

552
00:26:05,710 --> 00:26:08,670
the thing. The story

553
00:26:08,806 --> 00:26:11,510
that, they're dealing with Oz. you

554
00:26:11,526 --> 00:26:14,302
know, I talked about this last week as far as this

555
00:26:14,342 --> 00:26:17,188
impulse control, which is, to me, it's

556
00:26:17,220 --> 00:26:20,188
a double edged sword for me, it seems, because on the

557
00:26:20,220 --> 00:26:22,910
one hand, is impulse control gets him into

558
00:26:22,966 --> 00:26:25,654
situations where, like where he kills

559
00:26:25,678 --> 00:26:28,452
Alberto. But at the same time, that

560
00:26:28,492 --> 00:26:31,364
impulse control or, you know, is a

561
00:26:31,388 --> 00:26:34,308
strength for him as far as channeling that thinking

562
00:26:34,340 --> 00:26:37,212
on his feet whenever things go sideways,

563
00:26:37,292 --> 00:26:40,002
as we saw, in this

564
00:26:40,042 --> 00:26:42,626
episode, we're jumping, to. To the

565
00:26:42,658 --> 00:26:45,346
end. you know, Vic wasn't able to

566
00:26:45,418 --> 00:26:48,368
execute the plan that they had formulated, and then he had

567
00:26:48,384 --> 00:26:51,248
to think there on his feet, like, how am I going to get out of this situation

568
00:26:51,344 --> 00:26:54,216
before I get. Before I get killed here?

569
00:26:54,290 --> 00:26:57,180
that they discovered that I was the one, behind killing,

570
00:26:57,130 --> 00:26:59,170
Ivard, the Maroney

571
00:26:59,910 --> 00:27:01,770
person that they had down in the basement.

572
00:27:02,550 --> 00:27:05,190
>> Sarah : Yeah, this episode was good. And I agree with

573
00:27:05,230 --> 00:27:08,182
you that, between both shows

574
00:27:08,246 --> 00:27:11,238
were, in terms of content eating

575
00:27:11,294 --> 00:27:14,212
well. I wasn't. I'm not as high

576
00:27:14,276 --> 00:27:16,644
on this episode as I was on the initial

577
00:27:16,692 --> 00:27:19,680
episode because it kind of,

578
00:27:21,420 --> 00:27:24,404
it felt a little the same. Like he's

579
00:27:24,452 --> 00:27:26,720
still trying to avoid

580
00:27:27,220 --> 00:27:29,980
or still trying to make

581
00:27:30,020 --> 00:27:32,644
sure that nobody points their fingers at

582
00:27:32,692 --> 00:27:35,196
him in terms of the death for

583
00:27:35,268 --> 00:27:38,052
Alberto. so. And

584
00:27:38,196 --> 00:27:40,812
I think that what detracted

585
00:27:40,916 --> 00:27:43,738
me, was that the first episode

586
00:27:43,794 --> 00:27:46,666
we were, we were with ah, oz from start

587
00:27:46,698 --> 00:27:49,538
to finish. And this episode had a lot more

588
00:27:49,594 --> 00:27:51,870
to do there. There were.

589
00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:55,546
It felt like a regular tv show from

590
00:27:55,578 --> 00:27:58,530
the extent that like, there were a lot of scenes

591
00:27:58,610 --> 00:28:01,242
with Sophia and

592
00:28:01,306 --> 00:28:04,098
Sophia's uncle. And so

593
00:28:04,154 --> 00:28:07,070
they're fleshing out her storyline,

594
00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:09,784
especially in terms of her being

595
00:28:09,832 --> 00:28:12,720
released from Arkham, which is where we

596
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,590
start in this episode. and then

597
00:28:15,970 --> 00:28:18,882
there's a scene at the funeral where she's greeted by a

598
00:28:18,906 --> 00:28:21,538
cousin and whose daughter comes over.

599
00:28:21,634 --> 00:28:24,402
And initially the cousin

600
00:28:24,466 --> 00:28:27,374
seems happy to see her cousin.

601
00:28:27,462 --> 00:28:30,126
And then quickly it's like, no, no, no,

602
00:28:30,278 --> 00:28:32,838
you're not allowed around my kid because you're the

603
00:28:32,854 --> 00:28:35,630
hangman. So. So they're starting

604
00:28:35,710 --> 00:28:38,616
to give us

605
00:28:38,648 --> 00:28:41,184
more of an understanding about what Sofia

606
00:28:41,272 --> 00:28:43,986
did to get her locked up. and

607
00:28:44,018 --> 00:28:46,470
also her mental

608
00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:49,510
fragile state. Yeah.

609
00:28:49,890 --> 00:28:52,818
Because there's even the awkward scene where she wakes up in

610
00:28:52,834 --> 00:28:55,794
the closet and comes out and clearly was

611
00:28:55,842 --> 00:28:58,634
it walls was sleeping, was trying to strangle

612
00:28:58,682 --> 00:29:01,490
herself of some sort because she had scratches on her neck.

613
00:29:01,530 --> 00:29:04,474
So, so she's, she's still maybe

614
00:29:04,522 --> 00:29:07,110
hopped up on some Arkham pills or something.

615
00:29:07,610 --> 00:29:10,442
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm glad. Yeah.

616
00:29:10,506 --> 00:29:13,442
One of the things I did like about what they did with

617
00:29:13,466 --> 00:29:16,270
Sophia, this episode, the

618
00:29:17,660 --> 00:29:20,638
good use of exposition with the radio, you know, to sort

619
00:29:20,654 --> 00:29:23,462
of fill it, you know. So we got, we understood she was the hangman.

620
00:29:23,526 --> 00:29:26,452
We noticed she did bad things, but then they sort

621
00:29:26,476 --> 00:29:29,450
of teased it out a little bit more. This episode with whenever

622
00:29:29,490 --> 00:29:31,570
they had the discussing

623
00:29:32,332 --> 00:29:35,236
that she was a female serial killer and talked about how many

624
00:29:35,268 --> 00:29:37,240
women she had murdered. And

625
00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:40,370
also, like you said, I mean, just her

626
00:29:40,410 --> 00:29:42,936
relationship with her

627
00:29:42,968 --> 00:29:45,648
family and also even like, you know, I

628
00:29:45,664 --> 00:29:48,104
think when I had the reception there for

629
00:29:48,232 --> 00:29:51,160
Alberta's funeral, you know what I really liked about

630
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,178
that scene as far as like, you know,

631
00:29:54,194 --> 00:29:57,114
all the, all the whispers about she's crazy, she's this, she's that.

632
00:29:57,162 --> 00:30:00,122
And then she played into it whenever she was like, you know, she was

633
00:30:00,146 --> 00:30:03,030
at the, at the buffet table where she grabbed

634
00:30:04,330 --> 00:30:07,186
the food and she was just like, just she

635
00:30:07,218 --> 00:30:09,802
heard all the whispers and all the people stuff. So she just played along with

636
00:30:09,826 --> 00:30:12,706
it and like, at least that was

637
00:30:12,738 --> 00:30:15,696
how I read it. And, and, she's

638
00:30:15,728 --> 00:30:18,696
like, okay, you know, oh, yeah, I hear what you guys

639
00:30:18,728 --> 00:30:21,488
are saying about me and I'll just, I'll

640
00:30:21,504 --> 00:30:24,100
just, I'll buy into your narrative about me.

641
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,226
>> Sarah : Yeah, she, she kind of did that in the first

642
00:30:28,298 --> 00:30:30,602
episode too, when she was at lunch with

643
00:30:30,706 --> 00:30:33,466
Oz. I remember how she

644
00:30:33,498 --> 00:30:36,010
was eating there. Is she,

645
00:30:36,130 --> 00:30:38,270
she. It's almost that.

646
00:30:39,610 --> 00:30:42,442
I don't know if it's play plays into it,

647
00:30:42,546 --> 00:30:45,282
but it's more of like, she likes making

648
00:30:45,346 --> 00:30:47,860
people feel uneasy, like,

649
00:30:47,980 --> 00:30:50,972
or she was trying not to. And

650
00:30:50,996 --> 00:30:53,860
then she heard all the whispers and saw

651
00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:56,676
the stairs and then she was like, you're

652
00:30:56,708 --> 00:30:59,324
making me uneasy, so I'm just gonna

653
00:30:59,492 --> 00:31:02,068
do something that puts you on edge.

654
00:31:02,204 --> 00:31:05,120
>> Will: Yeah, there's that aspect of it too. Yeah.

655
00:31:05,660 --> 00:31:08,330
>> Sarah : I'm, curious to understand why in both

656
00:31:08,394 --> 00:31:10,078
situations it's food,

657
00:31:10,698 --> 00:31:13,300
like, because that,

658
00:31:13,484 --> 00:31:16,132
I mean, it's. She's a serial

659
00:31:16,180 --> 00:31:18,804
killer. So.

660
00:31:18,916 --> 00:31:21,860
Yeah, she eats in this very. And

661
00:31:21,884 --> 00:31:24,516
maybe it's because serial killers

662
00:31:24,652 --> 00:31:27,468
are often equated to animals. Like, they

663
00:31:27,508 --> 00:31:30,300
hunt for prey and you're eating

664
00:31:30,364 --> 00:31:33,268
in a ferocious way that makes it feel like

665
00:31:33,308 --> 00:31:36,276
you are an animal, a savage. I

666
00:31:36,292 --> 00:31:38,556
think that's it. Yeah. Yeah,

667
00:31:38,692 --> 00:31:41,508
yeah, yeah. So, yeah. And

668
00:31:41,628 --> 00:31:43,794
now, Because this

669
00:31:43,866 --> 00:31:46,850
episode, they're doing a good job with

670
00:31:46,874 --> 00:31:49,858
titles, as we always love to point out when. When

671
00:31:49,898 --> 00:31:52,576
we recognize shows do. but

672
00:31:52,752 --> 00:31:55,536
so we knew at the end of the first episode

673
00:31:55,672 --> 00:31:58,176
that Oz is working both

674
00:31:58,232 --> 00:32:00,760
sides. He's working bronies and he's working

675
00:32:00,824 --> 00:32:03,758
falcons side. And now,

676
00:32:03,918 --> 00:32:06,638
by the end of this episode, even

677
00:32:06,678 --> 00:32:09,166
though he fixed to some extent

678
00:32:09,222 --> 00:32:12,110
because Nadia really did say she wanted her

679
00:32:12,134 --> 00:32:15,054
guy back, and technically he did not

680
00:32:15,086 --> 00:32:17,630
come back, he

681
00:32:17,654 --> 00:32:20,598
did. So I don't know how

682
00:32:20,638 --> 00:32:23,288
much of a, how good that

683
00:32:23,368 --> 00:32:26,144
dynamic is between him and the Maronis anymore. But

684
00:32:26,176 --> 00:32:28,870
now, on top of that, he's

685
00:32:28,934 --> 00:32:31,254
even managed to find himself,

686
00:32:31,366 --> 00:32:33,926
or I think intentionally find

687
00:32:33,982 --> 00:32:36,246
himself on Team

688
00:32:36,342 --> 00:32:39,070
Sofia as, she goes against the old

689
00:32:39,118 --> 00:32:41,814
guys in the Falcone family who

690
00:32:41,950 --> 00:32:44,758
seem to think that they can be running shots in

691
00:32:44,782 --> 00:32:47,702
place of her brother and her father. And she's

692
00:32:47,734 --> 00:32:49,306
still there. So

693
00:32:50,286 --> 00:32:52,982
he's. I guess what I'm getting

694
00:32:53,054 --> 00:32:55,930
at is, as much as I do

695
00:32:55,978 --> 00:32:58,976
think this is a good show, and it's well written.

696
00:33:00,036 --> 00:33:02,574
They seem to, keep taking these

697
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:05,222
scenarios and just putting

698
00:33:05,294 --> 00:33:08,054
Oz and, like, it's a weird,

699
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:10,918
it's a weird game of

700
00:33:10,982 --> 00:33:13,798
chess. And I don't know if it's chess yet. Like,

701
00:33:13,862 --> 00:33:16,462
I don't know how to describe the game we're

702
00:33:16,494 --> 00:33:18,596
playing because, yeah,

703
00:33:19,176 --> 00:33:22,112
I mean, I understand Oz.

704
00:33:22,264 --> 00:33:24,386
He's, he's the,

705
00:33:24,336 --> 00:33:27,286
character who I liked from,

706
00:33:27,336 --> 00:33:30,336
to an extent, he is the character I always

707
00:33:30,416 --> 00:33:32,356
brought up when we were watching

708
00:33:33,656 --> 00:33:35,226
Shogun, earlier.

709
00:33:35,806 --> 00:33:38,438
>> Will: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

710
00:33:38,502 --> 00:33:38,910
yeah.

711
00:33:38,998 --> 00:33:41,586
>> Sarah : Who, arguably, we shouldn't have liked,

712
00:33:41,896 --> 00:33:44,488
okay. But I was like, he's a

713
00:33:44,512 --> 00:33:47,344
survivalist. He's gonna go. He's gonna be friend.

714
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,072
He doesn't care. Like, loyalty is not that

715
00:33:50,104 --> 00:33:52,848
important. He just wants to survive.

716
00:33:52,992 --> 00:33:55,120
Oz is the same way, okay?

717
00:33:55,288 --> 00:33:58,240
Yes, yes. And now he's got

718
00:33:58,248 --> 00:34:01,184
to keep Vic alive even though Vic let him down. Which

719
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,152
Vic? Come on. Okay, simple.

720
00:34:04,344 --> 00:34:07,112
While running away. Drop the

721
00:34:07,144 --> 00:34:10,086
drools. Okay. The Garris are just gonna

722
00:34:10,126 --> 00:34:12,750
pick up the jewels. They already assume you. They

723
00:34:12,798 --> 00:34:15,726
said, while they were, like, found you. They said, did

724
00:34:15,766 --> 00:34:18,422
you take anything from the car? Exactly.

725
00:34:18,614 --> 00:34:21,358
Dropped the jewels. You could have, you could

726
00:34:21,382 --> 00:34:23,666
have, you could have gotten away

727
00:34:24,046 --> 00:34:26,630
and also planted what

728
00:34:26,678 --> 00:34:28,986
Oz wanted you to plant. So,

729
00:34:29,566 --> 00:34:31,990
so I thought that was a little,

730
00:34:32,078 --> 00:34:35,018
like, come, on. I could have thought what to do

731
00:34:35,042 --> 00:34:36,166
in that situation.

732
00:34:36,486 --> 00:34:36,934
>> Will: Yeah.

733
00:34:36,990 --> 00:34:39,974
>> Sarah : And, okay, I'm just gonna say this

734
00:34:40,030 --> 00:34:42,878
now because I like, to be honest with

735
00:34:42,902 --> 00:34:45,622
you all. The stutter is not working for

736
00:34:45,654 --> 00:34:48,626
me because,

737
00:34:51,526 --> 00:34:54,414
I mean, we have watched

738
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:56,582
movies and shows with people who have

739
00:34:56,614 --> 00:34:59,566
stutters, and they can be done

740
00:34:59,606 --> 00:35:02,222
very well. And I'm blanking on the name of that

741
00:35:02,254 --> 00:35:04,836
movie, about Queen Elizabeth's

742
00:35:04,876 --> 00:35:07,816
dad who had a horrible stutter,

743
00:35:08,276 --> 00:35:10,788
this speech, the king's

744
00:35:10,812 --> 00:35:13,300
speech. The king speech, yeah.

745
00:35:13,388 --> 00:35:15,012
>> Will: With a Colin Firth.

746
00:35:15,164 --> 00:35:17,666
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, exactly. Colin, firth.

747
00:35:17,866 --> 00:35:20,360
so I do, to some extent,

748
00:35:20,408 --> 00:35:22,992
anytime a character has a stutter, equate it to that

749
00:35:23,024 --> 00:35:25,696
movie, which is probably a horrible thing to do.

750
00:35:25,776 --> 00:35:28,698
>> Will: That's probably, yeah. I mean, that's, yeah. Cause wasn't that an

751
00:35:28,722 --> 00:35:31,426
Academy award, at least nominated, if not

752
00:35:31,466 --> 00:35:33,468
winning film was.

753
00:35:33,532 --> 00:35:36,460
>> Sarah : But come on. We all know Colin Farrell is going

754
00:35:36,468 --> 00:35:38,736
to get an Emmy for being penguin. Come on.

755
00:35:39,876 --> 00:35:42,468
But I just, I

756
00:35:42,492 --> 00:35:43,896
just, there,

757
00:35:44,956 --> 00:35:46,696
he doesn't,

758
00:35:48,196 --> 00:35:50,948
I don't know, there's something off. It feels

759
00:35:51,052 --> 00:35:53,536
very like an act.

760
00:35:54,396 --> 00:35:56,908
And the joke may be on me.

761
00:35:57,092 --> 00:35:59,446
He may not have a stutter by the end of this season.

762
00:35:59,732 --> 00:36:01,916
>> Will: he may not. He may not.

763
00:36:02,576 --> 00:36:05,488
But something that you, yeah, something you said

764
00:36:05,592 --> 00:36:08,248
while, while you're giving analysis there that I,

765
00:36:08,312 --> 00:36:10,744
that I do

766
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,156
worry about

767
00:36:13,536 --> 00:36:16,416
that may or may not happen with this

768
00:36:16,456 --> 00:36:18,316
show because

769
00:36:19,056 --> 00:36:21,910
some. You know, we had three

770
00:36:21,958 --> 00:36:24,646
scenarios in this episode, this week

771
00:36:24,726 --> 00:36:27,426
where it starts off wherever

772
00:36:27,496 --> 00:36:30,296
Oz is, blackgate, prison

773
00:36:30,716 --> 00:36:32,056
with the Moronis

774
00:36:33,876 --> 00:36:36,756
trying to, you know, the Moronis sorted

775
00:36:36,796 --> 00:36:39,564
out that he was behind Alberto's

776
00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:42,202
death. and he had to do some quick thinking

777
00:36:42,234 --> 00:36:44,690
there. We had a second

778
00:36:44,738 --> 00:36:47,366
scenario where with the drop itself,

779
00:36:48,346 --> 00:36:51,346
and then of course later in the episode where

780
00:36:51,426 --> 00:36:54,144
he had to plan at the funeral goes.

781
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,424
Goes sideways. And I'm

782
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,362
worried maybe as worries is too

783
00:36:59,394 --> 00:37:02,380
strong award. But I am. Ah, but I do. If

784
00:37:02,404 --> 00:37:04,884
this is going to be the structure for the

785
00:37:04,916 --> 00:37:07,548
season, this will is.

786
00:37:07,708 --> 00:37:10,648
I'm m concerned that it will get predictable.

787
00:37:10,948 --> 00:37:13,932
>> Sarah : Exactly. Exactly. You, you said that

788
00:37:13,980 --> 00:37:16,428
better than I was. What I was trying to get at there.

789
00:37:16,468 --> 00:37:19,140
There's as much as I'm. I'm

790
00:37:19,204 --> 00:37:21,852
liking everything, there's an

791
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:24,444
element of it where I'm just like,

792
00:37:24,636 --> 00:37:27,324
okay, this isn't catching me off.

793
00:37:27,436 --> 00:37:30,228
The. Nothing is catching

794
00:37:30,268 --> 00:37:33,172
me off guard. The first episode, just the

795
00:37:33,220 --> 00:37:35,892
thought of from start to finish, we're following

796
00:37:36,020 --> 00:37:38,820
him trying to get out of this

797
00:37:39,004 --> 00:37:41,988
like for some reason that

798
00:37:42,028 --> 00:37:44,476
felt like a mini action movie

799
00:37:44,572 --> 00:37:47,240
that like an hour long, it.

800
00:37:47,364 --> 00:37:50,176
There were stakes. While at the same time

801
00:37:50,232 --> 00:37:53,200
you're like, this is a pilot episode so how much

802
00:37:53,264 --> 00:37:56,008
stakes can there be? But there's something very engaging about

803
00:37:56,048 --> 00:37:58,640
it. And you're just watching Colin Farrell

804
00:37:58,744 --> 00:38:01,744
own the screen for 50 to

805
00:38:01,776 --> 00:38:04,072
60 minutes. And then this

806
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,896
episode, like they don't do that

807
00:38:06,952 --> 00:38:09,800
structure. And then you start to see some of

808
00:38:09,824 --> 00:38:12,744
these elements and the more you think about it, the more

809
00:38:12,776 --> 00:38:15,326
it's just like, okay,

810
00:38:15,422 --> 00:38:18,374
well, I guess we're still in the superhero

811
00:38:18,446 --> 00:38:21,326
genre to some extent. I

812
00:38:21,342 --> 00:38:24,054
mean, there, it's not, it's not a

813
00:38:24,086 --> 00:38:26,774
villain of the week that's happening right now.

814
00:38:26,926 --> 00:38:28,458
It's more of a,

815
00:38:29,638 --> 00:38:32,302
how is Oz going to get

816
00:38:32,350 --> 00:38:34,998
out of this? Of being found

817
00:38:35,078 --> 00:38:36,298
out or

818
00:38:37,518 --> 00:38:40,494
like for any of the lies he is

819
00:38:40,526 --> 00:38:42,908
currently like wrapped up in?

820
00:38:43,328 --> 00:38:45,624
The biggest one being that he shot

821
00:38:45,696 --> 00:38:48,348
Alberto, of course. Yeah, but

822
00:38:48,888 --> 00:38:51,672
so, so is that going to happen every week? And

823
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,400
how long is that sustainable? And also

824
00:38:54,544 --> 00:38:56,880
like, you just took out one

825
00:38:56,944 --> 00:38:58,958
predictable procedural,

826
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,328
element of your classic superhero

827
00:39:02,368 --> 00:39:05,336
show and replaced it for another. But like,

828
00:39:05,472 --> 00:39:07,818
it's still there. It's still a MacGuffin m

829
00:39:08,462 --> 00:39:11,422
of some sort, like. Yeah.

830
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:14,334
Called by a different name. It still is what it is.

831
00:39:14,486 --> 00:39:17,386
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, I'm hopeful, you

832
00:39:17,410 --> 00:39:20,338
know, we're only in episode two. And maybe I think, you

833
00:39:20,346 --> 00:39:23,034
know, now that we, now that

834
00:39:23,114 --> 00:39:25,362
as we've ended this episode.

835
00:39:25,538 --> 00:39:28,094
Oz and Sofia are

836
00:39:28,994 --> 00:39:31,866
on, you know, quote unquote on the

837
00:39:31,890 --> 00:39:34,846
same team, you know. You know, and I love the way and

838
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:37,786
I do appreciate the way that they set that up. you

839
00:39:37,810 --> 00:39:40,370
know, in the middle of the episode there where they had the

840
00:39:40,402 --> 00:39:43,298
conversation and especially when you have, you

841
00:39:43,306 --> 00:39:46,282
know, with. With. About the mother and you know, taking him to his first

842
00:39:46,338 --> 00:39:49,338
concert and stuff and. And you know, and

843
00:39:49,346 --> 00:39:52,208
then throwing in the scene too with his mom. you

844
00:39:52,216 --> 00:39:55,216
know, she's still alive. But then whenever he was talking to Sophia, you know, he

845
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:58,136
says she's actually dead. so, you know. So, you know.

846
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,000
So I was wondering how. How the mother was

847
00:40:01,032 --> 00:40:03,912
playing into all this. But then when he was

848
00:40:03,928 --> 00:40:06,832
telling that story in the middle of the episode and then when we get to the end of

849
00:40:06,848 --> 00:40:09,648
the episode he says let's dance it all.

850
00:40:09,736 --> 00:40:12,688
That. That one to me was like. That's where I was like yeah,

851
00:40:12,736 --> 00:40:15,368
this is where I'm really liking this show because I like the

852
00:40:15,456 --> 00:40:18,244
connectivity that they're doing with storytelling here.

853
00:40:18,624 --> 00:40:21,394
So hopefully, as I said, I'm concerned

854
00:40:21,434 --> 00:40:24,394
about the structure. I'm hoping that

855
00:40:24,434 --> 00:40:27,374
now that they have gotten. That we've gotten

856
00:40:27,834 --> 00:40:30,614
the pieces on the board move to this point,

857
00:40:32,034 --> 00:40:34,334
how will things sort of unfold

858
00:40:35,514 --> 00:40:37,854
as he and Sophia work together

859
00:40:38,234 --> 00:40:40,994
to take down for her

860
00:40:41,034 --> 00:40:42,854
sticking down the falcons.

861
00:40:44,634 --> 00:40:47,508
And then of course Ozdev, you know, pitting

862
00:40:47,556 --> 00:40:48,944
the falcons and

863
00:40:50,234 --> 00:40:53,218
saw Moroni against one another,

864
00:40:53,386 --> 00:40:56,386
you know, to create that gang war. So at the end of the day,

865
00:40:56,450 --> 00:40:59,402
after all the death settles, he's going to. You know,

866
00:40:59,458 --> 00:41:01,734
we know he's going to end up on top. So

867
00:41:02,554 --> 00:41:05,178
I'm hoping that the next few weeks will we be

868
00:41:05,266 --> 00:41:07,978
getting past these situations where Oz is

869
00:41:08,106 --> 00:41:10,674
in these situations where his plans go sideways

870
00:41:10,834 --> 00:41:13,746
and ah. Because you know, Vic didn't do x, y or

871
00:41:13,770 --> 00:41:16,706
zenith. And You know, so we don't

872
00:41:16,730 --> 00:41:18,294
fall into that predictable trap.

873
00:41:18,714 --> 00:41:21,338
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, I hope so

874
00:41:21,386 --> 00:41:24,222
too. But We. We shall

875
00:41:24,278 --> 00:41:25,274
see. I

876
00:41:26,804 --> 00:41:29,700
We'll see if it just continues. Even

877
00:41:29,732 --> 00:41:32,264
if it gets a little predictable. If

878
00:41:32,604 --> 00:41:35,148
we're still eating good by the end of this

879
00:41:35,196 --> 00:41:37,794
month. Yeah, but. But before.

880
00:41:37,914 --> 00:41:40,648
Before we leave, Because I forgot

881
00:41:40,696 --> 00:41:43,448
about this, but did you watch

882
00:41:43,496 --> 00:41:45,124
last of us two trailer?

883
00:41:45,544 --> 00:41:48,384
>> Will: I Unfortunately I wanted to. I just haven't

884
00:41:48,416 --> 00:41:51,160
had time. Yeah, but tell I.

885
00:41:51,304 --> 00:41:53,704
So this is a situation. It's real reversal this time,

886
00:41:53,736 --> 00:41:56,544
y'all. Usually. Usually it's the other way

887
00:41:56,576 --> 00:41:57,056
around.

888
00:41:57,192 --> 00:42:00,160
>> Sarah : It is. It is. Because yeah, I'm

889
00:42:00,184 --> 00:42:02,588
already pretty much aware of what's gonna happen. But

890
00:42:02,858 --> 00:42:05,518
This is a really good trailer, because,

891
00:42:06,328 --> 00:42:09,160
Spoiler alert, you

892
00:42:09,184 --> 00:42:12,048
don't hear anything from Ellie, and you don't hear anything

893
00:42:12,088 --> 00:42:14,672
from Joel. There are

894
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:17,576
lines from a character

895
00:42:17,712 --> 00:42:20,588
who we don't know about yet, I'm pretty sure.

896
00:42:21,338 --> 00:42:23,730
and she's clearly talking to Joel,

897
00:42:23,914 --> 00:42:26,786
but you don't hear anything. and then

898
00:42:26,802 --> 00:42:29,660
it's just basically a montage of clips that

899
00:42:29,684 --> 00:42:32,658
are going to be, of scenes throughout the show of

900
00:42:32,698 --> 00:42:35,508
the season. and I've heard some theories.

901
00:42:36,168 --> 00:42:39,120
Everyone's really anxious. I'm just, you

902
00:42:39,144 --> 00:42:42,048
know, I said it while we were watching the first

903
00:42:42,088 --> 00:42:44,928
season, and I'll say it now. There's a

904
00:42:44,968 --> 00:42:47,468
shot, like, right at the beginning

905
00:42:47,888 --> 00:42:50,872
where Ellie is going through the doors

906
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,488
and you see and they open and you see

907
00:42:53,528 --> 00:42:56,336
Jackson. And again, I didn't necessarily

908
00:42:56,392 --> 00:42:58,548
play the games, but I've Scene

909
00:42:59,088 --> 00:43:02,000
a lot from the games, and I was

910
00:43:02,024 --> 00:43:03,188
just like, whoa,

911
00:43:06,728 --> 00:43:09,518
I get it. and,

912
00:43:10,458 --> 00:43:13,418
yeah, the

913
00:43:13,538 --> 00:43:15,946
showrunners have come out and said,

914
00:43:16,002 --> 00:43:18,946
though, that allows people

915
00:43:19,002 --> 00:43:21,816
to do theory spiraling, even more

916
00:43:21,912 --> 00:43:24,632
about what. What season two will

917
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,552
be, because I believe it's a shorter season

918
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,628
than season one. A

919
00:43:30,088 --> 00:43:32,548
b. They have said

920
00:43:33,568 --> 00:43:36,392
they don't even know if they can

921
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,428
fully tell the story in

922
00:43:39,888 --> 00:43:42,792
a season three. So that

923
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,080
is. We might get a season four.

924
00:43:45,264 --> 00:43:45,696
>> Will: Yep.

925
00:43:45,752 --> 00:43:48,368
>> Sarah : And. And so I'm getting

926
00:43:48,448 --> 00:43:50,148
excited for.

927
00:43:51,248 --> 00:43:53,878
To go back, to just to

928
00:43:53,918 --> 00:43:56,774
see, like, I

929
00:43:56,806 --> 00:43:59,326
think that's what they've done a very good job

930
00:43:59,382 --> 00:44:01,696
of. even if, you know, some

931
00:44:01,792 --> 00:44:04,504
things that will happen

932
00:44:04,616 --> 00:44:07,578
or if, you know, from start to start,

933
00:44:07,904 --> 00:44:10,368
to finish what happens in the second

934
00:44:10,448 --> 00:44:13,266
game, there's this

935
00:44:13,362 --> 00:44:16,138
big element of. But how do they do

936
00:44:16,178 --> 00:44:17,758
that? Like,

937
00:44:18,578 --> 00:44:20,914
you. How do

938
00:44:20,986 --> 00:44:22,478
you. And

939
00:44:24,138 --> 00:44:27,026
the first game, arguably a

940
00:44:27,042 --> 00:44:29,922
lot easier. The second

941
00:44:30,010 --> 00:44:32,518
game is a bit harder.

942
00:44:33,168 --> 00:44:36,026
so we shall see. but I

943
00:44:36,050 --> 00:44:38,906
was. I was leaning towards not clicking

944
00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:41,594
on the trailer, and then I was just like, I'm gonna watch

945
00:44:41,714 --> 00:44:42,714
the trailer.

946
00:44:42,834 --> 00:44:43,124
>> Will: Yeah.

947
00:44:43,124 --> 00:44:45,752
>> Sarah : I'm glad I did. I. I hope

948
00:44:45,888 --> 00:44:48,750
not to watch another one. but

949
00:44:48,902 --> 00:44:51,004
I am, definitely.

950
00:44:52,144 --> 00:44:55,096
It reminded me a lot of the first trailer I saw for season

951
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:55,720
one.

952
00:44:55,872 --> 00:44:56,808
>> Will: Oh, okay.

953
00:44:56,896 --> 00:44:59,848
>> Sarah : Okay. Where. Where there were scenes

954
00:44:59,896 --> 00:45:02,846
where I was like, I remember that I. That could be

955
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:05,734
that. And there was also just there. There was just like,

956
00:45:05,774 --> 00:45:08,710
okay, we're starting something, and it's like we're

957
00:45:08,742 --> 00:45:11,590
continuing something. So, yeah, I just

958
00:45:11,622 --> 00:45:14,278
wanted to leave us on that note that

959
00:45:14,366 --> 00:45:17,262
season two of the last of us is coming, and

960
00:45:17,278 --> 00:45:18,234
we're all excited.

961
00:45:18,534 --> 00:45:21,318
>> Will: We're all. Yeah, I. Yep. Early. I think was

962
00:45:21,366 --> 00:45:24,246
early next year. I don't think we got the exact date yet, but we

963
00:45:24,270 --> 00:45:27,088
do, we do know that probably be the first quarter of, 2025.

964
00:45:27,136 --> 00:45:27,724
So.

965
00:45:28,164 --> 00:45:30,866
>> Sarah : Yeah. And, on that note, will, why don't you tell our

966
00:45:30,890 --> 00:45:32,506
listeners where they can find you?

967
00:45:32,650 --> 00:45:35,600
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on, x for my notice. Twitter

968
00:45:35,768 --> 00:45:36,816
will m. Polk

969
00:45:36,856 --> 00:45:39,952
willmmpolk.

970
00:45:40,144 --> 00:45:42,440
>> Sarah : And you can find me there, too, at sjbelmont

971
00:45:42,488 --> 00:45:45,240
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972
00:45:45,288 --> 00:45:48,208
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975
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