Billy Maximoff's Origins, Penguin's Fiery Ascent and Blade's Vanishing Act

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>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont. And

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with me, as always, is our mister producer, will polk. How are you

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doing today, will?

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>> Will: I am doing very well today, Sarah. Happy, happy

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Tuesday.

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>> Sarah : Happy Tuesday. I'm pretty sure

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this is the earliest we've ever recorded.

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>> Will: I think so. As far as a weekday, for sure. For sure.

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We're. Yeah, as far as far as a working week,

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for sure. It's definitely the earliest we've recorded. I think we've done some

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afternoons on weekends or

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early, or early evenings.

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>> Sarah : But, to kick things off, you're going to update on

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what some notable items from New York Comic

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Con.

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>> Will: Yeah, well, yeah, New York comic Con was this weekend.

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But first, just to kick off some breaking news

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that happened earlier today, and it's really not breaking

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because we all.

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It was just a matter of when this was going to happen, not, if.

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And Marvel has, and Disney has removed

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blade from the 2025 calendar

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and has delayed it indefinitely. So

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it was originally supposed to come out on November 7 of, next

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year, but, now,

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it's, Predator Badlands has taken that

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date. And, And yeah, and Blade

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is just, you know, this is what is truly is

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one of those movies that, several others that were

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all delayed for four years and for

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rewrites and other things. Or it

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may just be like, some of the Star wars movies where something that was

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announced and it may just not happen.

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We shall see.

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>> Sarah : I don't think it's happening.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. At this rate.

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I mean, I know part of it was Bob Iger

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did, note earlier this year

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that, Marvel's only going to do, I think, three movies per

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year. So, I mean, writing was already on the wall there, given that,

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I think Thunderbirds and Thunderbolts, excuse me,

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and Captain America four. And, what else is

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coming out next year as far as films? I think there's one

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other and that's the four.

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Yeah. And fantastic four. Yeah. So, yes, those,

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all those three had. Had already are in production

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or finished. And so, yeah, it is getting

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bounced.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. There was no way Blade was going to make a

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2025 release date.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. And who knows, man. Yeah. Yep.

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So that's, that's the news on

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Blade. also, yes, there was New York comic Con

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this weekend. We got the first trailer, for, creature

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comforts, which is the first, official outing

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from DC Studios,

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created by James Gunn as the animated feature,

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coming, on December 5 of this year.

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And, really fun trailer. Amanda Waller,

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is in it, and also Rick Flag. And then

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we see all the various creatures who are

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inhumans and we get

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a little tagline in the trailer for why

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Waller can't use them, use human

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operatives anymore. So she's going to use

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these folks to do these suicide esque

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missions. And also got like a lot of doom patrol

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with one of the characters. Kind of reminded me of,

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Cliff, gi robot.

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>> Sarah : Wait, what do you mean? There in

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humans.

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>> Will: So creature comforts, they're, they're not,

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yeah. So they're like, you know, the weasel, you know,

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from is in there that we were introduced in

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Suicide Squad.

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>> Sarah : GI robots actually

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call them in humans, not like

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Marvel.

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>> Will: That was just a little like, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : It's just weird though, that in DC they would also

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have a group of people that were dubbed in humans

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not to be with the MCU in

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humans.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. These are all creatures like the, yeah,

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I think there's like misses, misses Frankenstein. So you know, the

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bride of Frankenstein, one of the characters, I think her

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nickname is the bride because they, in the trailer, they like

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introduce all the creature creature commandos

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that will be in the series.

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And yeah, so, you know, so we get a little, it's about

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a, I guess about three minute trailer. and yeah, I just watched

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it this evening for the first time right before recording. But but

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yeah, that was, that was one of the items from New York Comic Con.

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>> Sarah : Marvel.

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>> Will: of course, we, we knew that Daredevil was coming

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in March of next year and we got the official release date

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for it. It's March 4. And

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And then, there were a few just comic

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book related items, that was a part of

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that, of the, some

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titles. But then Star, Trek also had

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a presentation at New York Comic Con

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and got, a, teaser, another

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clip from, Star Trek lore decks, which actually

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premieres this weekend on the 26th

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for his, fifth and final season. We, also got some

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Cassidy news for Strange, New Worlds. Reese,

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Darby is going to be playing a legacy

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character. They didn't name the character. in

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the upcoming season of Strange, New Worlds, it was also announced

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that strange new worlds, was also renewed for a

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fourth season. And,

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the new Starfleet Academy show that has Holly

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Hunter and Apologia, Monty. They've also added,

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Tatiana Maslany from she Hulk.

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And orange, is new black, as a character in

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this upcoming season of, the

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premiere season of the show. And also, it was

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announced that the series is, was already renewed

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for a second season. So those are some of the

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notable Star Trek news items that I, was hoping to do a video

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on, but, just life happened and wasn't able to do so. But,

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but that's some of the notable items from New York comic con.

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>> Sarah : Did you talk about Marvel?

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>> Will: display? just daredevil. I mean, unless there was something else.

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>> Sarah : Oh, okay. Okay. I didn't, I didn't hear

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that for some reason.

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>> Will: So I was just the, like, the lag. The lag may have

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returned.

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>> Sarah : No, no, I don't. I don't think it was the lag.

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>> Will: You just tuned out. You tuned out. When I was talking about DC

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stuff, when I transitioned to marvel a little bit.

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>> Sarah : A little bit. I was just like, okay, okay.

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I mean. I mean, I segged way into it, and then

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you're like, no, I want to talk about blade first. And so then I

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was like, okay, let him do this whole

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section.

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And then we're going to lead into things that I actually

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have some thoughts about. which

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includes Agatha all along. Episode

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six, familiar by thy side.

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The familiar teen is much more than he

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seems, and his connections to the rest of the coven are

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revealed. So

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it. I kind of wish this

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episode of Agatha along aired last

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week, just because

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of the great conversation we had

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about the premiere episodes for

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both Agatha long and the Penguin,

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having them both be spin offs,

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of movies and tv shows that

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we've Scene before, and there have been a long

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layover period. And just how they attacked that,

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reintroducing you to the character and the world

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in very different ways, that worked for the most

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part. And so now

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we have an, egg thaw along. We have

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the flashback episode for

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the teen. and I couldn't

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help but thinking about how, like, okay, so we're getting

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this episode, and last week on the Penguin, we

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got Sophia's origin story, which

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was a flashback episode for the most

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part. And how, again,

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they, they both did it in different ways

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that, for the most part, worked. it

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threw me off in the first five minutes.

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I'm like, I'm like, what? What is happening

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here?

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Why are we. He's jewish.

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I, we knew

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who he was. We knew he was pretty

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much 99% wiccan.

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and one of, one of the twins, one of the

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Maximoff twins. So

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that wasn't a surprise and didn't threw me,

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but I never thought about that idea. That,

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well, like,

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he, it's magic that was

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used just like it.

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Magic that took over Westview. M

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so I never

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had, I never reconciled or had that thought

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of like, oh, so he

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obviously hasn't

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always been Wanda's kid.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So, so it's just, and that's a very

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tricky thing to a,

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get the viewers on board with

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and also make it

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semi logical to where it's like, okay, I get

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what's going on here. I get it. He's, he's kind

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of, he's kind of a little bit of both.

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Like, his memories

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are now replaced

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with, with the,

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that week because it was, it wasn't a long

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period of time that she had control over Westview, right?

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>> Will: That's right. Yeah, it was a very short, yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : Very short time. Like, but all of his

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memories, because the, the twins grew up very

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fast during WandaVision,

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are replaced. And specifically

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his longing for his brother. So,

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but, yeah, I mean, what were

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you as thrown off when, when we started with a,

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jewish bar mitzvah opening of what was

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happening?

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>> Will: Yeah, actually I was, because, you know, as I

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mentioned on the, podcast last week,

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really as far as Wiccan

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and Billy Maximoff, all those stories, you know, I did not

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read the comics, so I

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was not aware, of the

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origin story, of Billy,

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Maximoff beyond what we saw in

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Wandavision. So when

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we do get this start, I, was like, you also

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like, huh? Now wait a minute.

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How does Billy Kaplan

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become Billy? You know, William Kaplan become Billy

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Maximoff? And

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so, but you're right. I mean, the way that it was,

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the story was constructed and when they were,

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when they were driving down the street and had the accident and

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stuff, and then right before, you know,

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as we see, the hex started to collapse,

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that, then I was just like, And then that's when it

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clicked, for me, that, oh, okay, I see. But,

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you know, but even at that, it was still, you know, even

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after the accident and stuff, I,

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it made logical sense. Then once we

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heard, we heard Billy and Tommy and, you know, I think

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briefly, you know, as the hex is like collapsing, hearing

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the voices and then you, Billy

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wakes up and like, he's like, oh, you

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know, when he, in the hospital,

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then I was like, okay, I see what they did here. And

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really one of the, you know, just as I was doing prep for

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the show tonight, I guess the origins pretty much tracks

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with what was done in the comics. The major difference

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was just, in the show,

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Billy retains the memories of being Billy

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Maximoff, whereas in the comic, he

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doesn't, he doesn't remember his, past life.

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Other than that the origins were pretty much,

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pretty much tracked that Billy

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. The

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other thing that threw me

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was in this cold

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opening sequence with the bar mitzvah.

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there's a fortune teller booth and he goes in

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there.

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>> Sarah : And we see Leela, who's a part of the

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coven, and she

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and I, so there's

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a few ways to interpret the scene, I think. But

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from what I, what I saw, it almost

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looked like she was possessed by somebody else. And

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she did the sigil.

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>> Will: Mm Yes.

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>> Sarah : Because, there were these weird moments of

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like, where they were talking and

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she was normal, and then all of a sudden it felt

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like she was somebody else.

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>> Will: Yeah, I agree. I agree. Especially it makes sense

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to knowing what we know

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up to the point in the story, because

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she, you know, whenever she ran into the team, she doesn't seem to have

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any or, Jen

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or, as well, you know, because she was the police officer who

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arrived on the scene. I mean, none of them have any

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recollection of, you know,

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Billy, the team before.

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>> Sarah : Right, right. And, no,

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and, and, but it's

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also

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didn't, looking back, when they

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went, when I think it was the second episode, when they did their

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little recruitment of all the witches, it

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wasn't as though Billy recognized them

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either. I.

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>> Will: Right, right, exactly.

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>> Sarah : So, yeah, the only one he

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might have would be,

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would be, Isn't it Jennifer?

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>> Will: Yeah. Just the youtuber.

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Yeah, yeah. Alice. It

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was alice. The one that, was the police officer. My bad.

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>> Sarah : I got to the police

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officer.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : But I was like, to go back to

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Leela. I was just thrown off by

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the sigil. And then there's a great line,

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are we looking behind or ahead?

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and there was just some really

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good foreshadowing

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occurring in the dialogue of that whole

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sequence, with those characters that I really

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appreciated. It wasn't overdone

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that they sometimes do. It was more

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just added mystery,

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added tension to what's going to happen.

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Because another thing that threw me to go back to what you were

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saying, like, it wasn't that

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initially when I saw the hex or when they

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got word like something's happening in Westview,

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I was like, I was like, oh, so he's

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going to get trapped on the other side

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away from his parents. But no, this was

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when it was being destroyed,

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so, and, and they got in the car

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accident. So, so it kind

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of what this episode kept doing was, I

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thought I had an expectation of what they would

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do, and then they. They won a different

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way.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And I'm not mad at it.

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>> Will: Oh, me neither. I thought. I thought the same thing, too. That they

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were going to get. Yeah. That they were going to end up in

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Westview as well. I mean, I thought that was,

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you know, that somehow that's how he

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becomes Billy in Westview

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as the hex collapse. But I agree.

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I don't have any issues with it. And

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the foreshadowing, too, as far as, like, you know, with the palm m reading

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and the broken line and, issues like your lifeline

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split two and, you know. You

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know, when it says something. I'm paraphrasing here, but, you

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know, you'll be a new Mandez. m

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as part of that, whenever Lila was doing that reading.

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So you're right. I mean, the foreshadowing was all there.

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And this. This is when, like, this is when the MCU is, like,

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kicking on all cylinders when it's doing these types of. This type

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of storytelling.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. The tower reversed,

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I think, is what she says before she actually

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draws or writes the sigil.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : which. It looks like a road, which

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is road that we've been on forever.

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and then that just leads us

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where essentially,

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he wakes up very disoriented,

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very confused, starts to immediately

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read minds of his parents. And,

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And then we learn, because then they jump

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ahead to more. Not present

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day, but pre.

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Like, how he. How what leads him to

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meet up, to Agatha, like, what he's

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doing, the

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days leading up to when he breaks into Agatha's

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home. And, the

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other thing that threw me off is. Is I wasn't

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expecting Evan Peters to return.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yep. That was a great touch.

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Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I'd completely forgot about that

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whole situation.

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>> Will: How could you forget? Ralph Bohner. I mean, yeah, as soon

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as he. I was like, that's Ralph Bohner?

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Yeah. Whenever Billy was doing the, I guess the

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Google research and all that, just

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to figure out story, but also just, you know, to

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that point, you know, thinking about the room, too, as far as just seeing the

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transitions between William Kaplan, you

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know, and then. And then three years later, how

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the Billy has taken

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on, again, the new

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life and everything else. I think that was just, again,

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another nod to, like, all, you know, the attention to

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detail for, you know, again, to remind

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us as the viewer that this is a different person.

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>> Sarah : Right, right.

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And he. He has a very sweet

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moment with his boyfriend. Where

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he. Where he lets him in

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on this secret, this I've

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died, which.

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It doesn't scare him away. And I'm not sure what that says

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about his boyfriend, but.

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But it allows them to kind of team up. So we're

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not just following him

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silently on this, escapade that

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ultimately leads him to Agatha, but

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it's more of like, he has a partner in this, which

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is very much needed

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for sure.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah,

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I'm trying to think, Oh, go

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ahead.

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>> Will: Yeah. And I was just going to say, you know, the other thing that

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stood out to me is, with this episode, given that we took

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a break from the trials,

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was, There were still like,

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you know, in the prior trials, we've had nods to

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like, different periods, different decades.

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but even. Even with this episode, they still

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had nods to other tv series

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and movies and stuff. And one that really just jumped out

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to me immediately was when they were with,

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Ralph in the garage. I couldn't help but think of a deep

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throat and, all the president's menta, with Woodward. Bernstein.

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Yeah, with Woodward meeting, you know, the

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deep throat in the garage, learning all the secrets about Watergate.

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So. And there were some others. Others as well. But that

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was the. That was the most, you know, jumping off the screen.

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One for me. this. This week.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, that's. That's a good,

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shout out. And. And decades

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wise, I mean, the teen is

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basically a nineties goth.

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Yes.

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>> Will: Yep. Yep.

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>> Sarah : There's some definite nostalgia.

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Not quite on the nose as the previous

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episodes, but yeah, they still maintain that,

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they had some musical element as we even

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hear him listen to his,

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goth music, which is

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ding down.

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>> Will: Yep. That's it. Yeah. It's like,

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contractually obligated that that song has to appear in the

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episode.

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>> Sarah : I'm just. I'm just waiting for them to come out with the

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music video for that. I mean, what

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was that thing that happened? I think it was

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with, Falcon and Winter

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Soldier.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : You know what I'm saying? Talking about.

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>> Will: I know exactly what you're talking about. With. With,

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Oh, gosh, what's the character's name? I can't remember, but it was like they were in the

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club and baron. the Baron, you

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know. Yeah. With the house music and all that kind of

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stuff. Just rocket. Yeah. Yeah.

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Had a whole segment about that. The whole

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video that they released on that for, like. For. On YouTube.

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I remember that. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Is. Is power broker going to appear in

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cap four?

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>> Will: you know, that's a good question. I don't know. I

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just. Just to digress for just a second, I,

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saw where, like, early audience screenings for

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Cap Cat four were disappointing, but we'll,

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you know, we'll. We'll see.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, I mean. I mean, I saw.

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I saw the Joker, too, so.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I still haven't seen it yet.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's going to do a little bit

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better than that. But. But I mean,

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I. It's. It's. It's also.

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I mean, that's kind of disappointing. And Ernie, like,

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starts to plant a seed of doubt. But I also

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wasn't thinking that that was going to be the best movie

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ever, the way Joker two was

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kind of explained and had the chance.

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but. But I digress.

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yeah, it's. And then we

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eventually get to where we left things

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with Wiccan

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revealing himself, in a way,

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the sigil breaking. he kills

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Leela and Jen, and now it's just.

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So here's my question. Why

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did Agatha survive? I mean, I know the show is called

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Agatha all along, but why did Agatha survive

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and no one else?

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>> Will: Bon armor. Just kidding.

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I don't have a better explanation than that. I'm sorry.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, it's just they, like, brush it over

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under the rug. They had no explanation

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for why she was able

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to. And I'm just like, okay, I guess the

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show isn't called Billy all along, so

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I get it, but it's so

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weird to me.

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>> Will: I wish I had a better explanation. And listeners, if you

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have one, you know, you know, drop it in the

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comment, you know, and let us know. But that's the only

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one. That's the first thing that comes to mind for me.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. I also

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am a little pissed off at Disney because

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I'm on the subscription plan with

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commercials, and I swear to God,

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will, you will never guess what they did.

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I'm starting episode. It goes to the first commercial

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break, and they do a weird preview

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for the remaining two episodes of

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Agatha along. And so part

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of the preview is the ending of this

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episode where she comes out of the mud

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and is like, what does Billy wax him off?

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And I'm like, I'm like, why am I seeing

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this right now? I'm in act one.

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>> Will: Jeez. Get it together,

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Disney.

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>> Sarah : I just. I could note, like,

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this is the first time they've done that. And I've been

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watching this entire show on

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this subscription plan since September,

511
00:23:35,651 --> 00:23:38,643
so I have no idea, where that came from.

512
00:23:38,827 --> 00:23:41,619
But my God, that was, that was

513
00:23:41,675 --> 00:23:44,675
really, and I also, I'm just sitting

514
00:23:44,723 --> 00:23:47,003
here like, so they're pretty much

515
00:23:47,067 --> 00:23:49,443
spoiling, I don't know,

516
00:23:49,587 --> 00:23:52,379
50% of each half hour episode

517
00:23:52,435 --> 00:23:55,091
with this very long trailer for the

518
00:23:55,131 --> 00:23:57,777
final. It

519
00:23:57,809 --> 00:24:00,501
just, I mean, I mean,

520
00:24:00,881 --> 00:24:03,497
granted, it's not that the line itself,

521
00:24:03,609 --> 00:24:06,497
like what does Billy Maximoff want at

522
00:24:06,529 --> 00:24:09,181
the end of the road? Like,

523
00:24:10,001 --> 00:24:12,705
you know, you know, like it's going to be

524
00:24:12,753 --> 00:24:15,411
ultimately his brother, right. which,

525
00:24:15,951 --> 00:24:18,663
which is not necessarily

526
00:24:18,727 --> 00:24:21,671
surprised because they do bring up multiple times just

527
00:24:21,711 --> 00:24:24,591
to remind the audience, we're talking about twinsd. We're talking

528
00:24:24,631 --> 00:24:27,471
about twins. And he's

529
00:24:27,511 --> 00:24:30,431
the name that he first says when he wakes

530
00:24:30,471 --> 00:24:33,327
up. Like they were together and now

531
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,255
they're separated and now there's a big

532
00:24:36,303 --> 00:24:39,143
mystery of like, well, I'm curious of

533
00:24:39,167 --> 00:24:42,063
what happened to the other one and like if

534
00:24:42,087 --> 00:24:44,291
they'll reconnect or if they'll

535
00:24:44,591 --> 00:24:47,559
like, but also just like what happened

536
00:24:47,615 --> 00:24:50,359
to it. Like it's not necessarily just

537
00:24:50,415 --> 00:24:53,359
about the what, like them

538
00:24:53,415 --> 00:24:56,127
finding each other and reconnecting as twins.

539
00:24:56,199 --> 00:24:59,031
But also, but seriously, what happened

540
00:24:59,071 --> 00:24:59,583
there?

541
00:24:59,727 --> 00:25:02,211
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah,

542
00:25:02,551 --> 00:25:03,571
exactly.

543
00:25:04,111 --> 00:25:06,943
>> Sarah : It would have been weird though, had he

544
00:25:07,007 --> 00:25:09,767
possessed, like his twin brother possessed the body

545
00:25:09,839 --> 00:25:12,761
of like William's, mom.

546
00:25:13,101 --> 00:25:13,881
>> Will: Yeah,

547
00:25:16,221 --> 00:25:18,601
again, yeah, again, plot convenience.

548
00:25:21,941 --> 00:25:24,773
Well, I guess, well, I guess, but I guess for that to happen, I guess

549
00:25:24,797 --> 00:25:27,589
Billy's mom would have had to have died. But again, again,

550
00:25:27,645 --> 00:25:29,001
plot convenience. Yeah.

551
00:25:29,621 --> 00:25:31,481
>> Sarah : Do you, okay,

552
00:25:31,941 --> 00:25:34,653
now Agatha does say

553
00:25:34,717 --> 00:25:37,391
something, that is,

554
00:25:37,471 --> 00:25:40,359
is a little interesting, especially when we're talking about a

555
00:25:40,375 --> 00:25:42,871
show that's very maternal, sons and

556
00:25:42,911 --> 00:25:45,519
mothers. And she

557
00:25:45,575 --> 00:25:48,237
says, it can't be your mom

558
00:25:48,309 --> 00:25:51,077
because she chose a town of strangers over her

559
00:25:51,109 --> 00:25:53,749
own flesh and wires. Do you

560
00:25:53,805 --> 00:25:56,445
think because Billy did retain

561
00:25:56,613 --> 00:25:58,957
his memories from that time

562
00:25:59,029 --> 00:26:01,309
period of growing up as a max

563
00:26:01,365 --> 00:26:04,245
moth, he resents his

564
00:26:04,293 --> 00:26:06,441
mom for the choice she made

565
00:26:07,421 --> 00:26:07,711
of.

566
00:26:07,741 --> 00:26:09,111
>> Will: Oh, that's a good question.

567
00:26:12,091 --> 00:26:15,003
>> Sarah : Cause I've also never thought about that before

568
00:26:15,147 --> 00:26:17,771
either. About what the perception of

569
00:26:17,851 --> 00:26:20,791
those, those boys were

570
00:26:21,571 --> 00:26:24,451
knowing like a, their mom literally brought

571
00:26:24,491 --> 00:26:27,043
them in to the world and then

572
00:26:27,107 --> 00:26:29,755
ultimately decided like,

573
00:26:29,843 --> 00:26:32,747
no, you gotta go because like I'm

574
00:26:32,819 --> 00:26:35,569
damaging a bunch of other people keeping you here.

575
00:26:35,755 --> 00:26:38,565
>> Will: That's, that's, that's a good point. I mean he

576
00:26:38,613 --> 00:26:40,341
may, he may do so.

577
00:26:41,431 --> 00:26:44,079
>> Will: And then also, I mean, also just thinking of the events

578
00:26:44,095 --> 00:26:46,943
of doctor, strange and multiverse of madness, you

579
00:26:46,967 --> 00:26:49,247
know, how does that all inter, you know, with her

580
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:51,719
ultimately, you know, go

581
00:26:51,895 --> 00:26:54,215
her with her wander going completely

582
00:26:54,303 --> 00:26:56,749
evil in that movie, you

583
00:26:56,765 --> 00:26:59,303
know, how does he

584
00:26:59,327 --> 00:27:02,327
reconcile that. With. With the excellent

585
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,607
point you just raised about whether or not he feels

586
00:27:04,639 --> 00:27:07,241
resentment, towards her because of the choice she made.

587
00:27:08,021 --> 00:27:10,917
>> Sarah : Right. And I think that it

588
00:27:10,989 --> 00:27:12,997
also is

589
00:27:13,069 --> 00:27:16,069
interesting, and I don't know if hypocrisy is the

590
00:27:16,085 --> 00:27:17,281
right word, but

591
00:27:18,621 --> 00:27:21,321
having Agatha say that, knowing

592
00:27:21,741 --> 00:27:24,431
now that we know her history

593
00:27:24,591 --> 00:27:27,491
of being a mom and giving up a child,

594
00:27:28,751 --> 00:27:31,215
like. Like, there. There's

595
00:27:31,263 --> 00:27:32,759
some. Some.

596
00:27:32,855 --> 00:27:33,151
>> Will: Wait.

597
00:27:33,191 --> 00:27:36,145
>> Sarah : Wait a second. So you're making a dig at, Wanda's parenting, and

598
00:27:36,161 --> 00:27:39,113
yet you kind of did the same thing. Like,

599
00:27:39,225 --> 00:27:42,033
you might have not chosen a town full of

600
00:27:42,065 --> 00:27:44,865
strangers, but from what we heard, you chose

601
00:27:44,921 --> 00:27:47,505
power. So I

602
00:27:47,601 --> 00:27:49,921
think. I think it's, It's

603
00:27:49,969 --> 00:27:52,529
interesting, now that we know the

604
00:27:52,553 --> 00:27:55,157
backstory more of Billy,

605
00:27:55,857 --> 00:27:58,049
that these two

606
00:27:58,113 --> 00:28:01,065
characters. I mean, we're seeing

607
00:28:01,121 --> 00:28:03,697
both sides of this kind

608
00:28:03,737 --> 00:28:06,477
of argument or this,

609
00:28:06,427 --> 00:28:09,223
rift between a parent, specifically a

610
00:28:09,255 --> 00:28:11,833
mother, abandoning, a

611
00:28:11,865 --> 00:28:12,519
child.

612
00:28:12,713 --> 00:28:13,487
>> Will: Yeah.

613
00:28:14,347 --> 00:28:16,955
>> Sarah : So. So it's. It's.

614
00:28:17,091 --> 00:28:20,003
It's taken us a while to get here, but,

615
00:28:21,205 --> 00:28:24,091
I. I'm glad we're here. And, Even though

616
00:28:24,115 --> 00:28:27,091
I feel like the last two episodes have been spoiled up, to me with

617
00:28:27,115 --> 00:28:30,083
that ridiculous. I'm

618
00:28:30,131 --> 00:28:32,679
still. I'm still, like, you know,

619
00:28:33,379 --> 00:28:35,827
say what you will about Marvel's,

620
00:28:35,873 --> 00:28:38,371
finales, they do know how to deliver a

621
00:28:38,379 --> 00:28:39,883
penultimate episode.

622
00:28:40,075 --> 00:28:42,963
>> Will: Yeah, they do. They do. And we still got. And we. The thing

623
00:28:42,995 --> 00:28:45,127
is, we have three left, you know?

624
00:28:45,507 --> 00:28:48,447
>> Sarah : Oh, we have three left? I thought we just had two left.

625
00:28:48,797 --> 00:28:51,417
>> Will: so this was episode six. So we got seven, eight, and nine.

626
00:28:52,437 --> 00:28:54,057
It's a nine episode season.

627
00:28:55,037 --> 00:28:56,197
>> Sarah : Okay. Okay.

628
00:28:56,237 --> 00:28:58,817
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. I could

629
00:28:59,637 --> 00:29:02,615
get episode seven next week, and then, And then

630
00:29:02,631 --> 00:29:05,449
they'll wrap it up, with a two episode finale.

631
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:08,893
>> Sarah : It's not that I don't believe you, but I

632
00:29:08,981 --> 00:29:11,741
distinctly remember looking this up, and I could

633
00:29:11,765 --> 00:29:13,049
have learned that.

634
00:29:14,669 --> 00:29:17,453
>> Will: Now, we talked about last week, because episode seven

635
00:29:17,541 --> 00:29:20,461
will drop tomorrow, and then right in time for Halloween, they'll

636
00:29:20,485 --> 00:29:20,859
drop.

637
00:29:21,499 --> 00:29:24,243
>> Sarah : Okay. Yeah, I get it. I got it. All

638
00:29:24,251 --> 00:29:27,091
right. That makes. That makes more sense. Well,

639
00:29:27,155 --> 00:29:29,355
well, well, then, hopefully the

640
00:29:29,387 --> 00:29:31,973
penultimate, delivers like this episode

641
00:29:32,021 --> 00:29:32,529
did.

642
00:29:32,669 --> 00:29:33,089
>> Will: Yeah.

643
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:35,817
>> Sarah : And anything else you want to add in before we move on to the

644
00:29:35,833 --> 00:29:36,521
penguin?

645
00:29:36,665 --> 00:29:39,545
>> Will: No. No, I think, I think we covered everything, with

646
00:29:39,577 --> 00:29:42,021
this episode. And, you know, this

647
00:29:42,205 --> 00:29:45,101
again, as a. I know last week, I was kind

648
00:29:45,125 --> 00:29:47,871
of, about the series, and even. It wasn't bad. It

649
00:29:47,895 --> 00:29:50,703
was not. It didn't, you know, up to that point,

650
00:29:50,751 --> 00:29:53,459
we had some pretty solid episodes. This one was.

651
00:29:53,889 --> 00:29:56,865
This one was very, very good. Really enjoyed it. And hopefully,

652
00:29:56,897 --> 00:29:59,201
the remaining three will keep this

653
00:29:59,225 --> 00:30:01,149
momentum as we move forward.

654
00:30:02,049 --> 00:30:04,601
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, we. We definitely have

655
00:30:04,665 --> 00:30:07,385
some. We have two characters.

656
00:30:07,577 --> 00:30:10,465
We understand their motivations and they

657
00:30:10,497 --> 00:30:13,049
both have. We're both

658
00:30:13,129 --> 00:30:16,025
curious about some choices they'll make and

659
00:30:16,137 --> 00:30:18,109
some potential confrontations.

660
00:30:18,569 --> 00:30:20,869
>> Will: Yeah, for sure. For sure.

661
00:30:22,539 --> 00:30:25,251
>> Sarah : All right. Well, that leads us to the penguin,

662
00:30:25,315 --> 00:30:28,275
episode five, homecoming. with

663
00:30:28,307 --> 00:30:30,779
his nascent operation at

664
00:30:30,819 --> 00:30:33,531
stake, Oz makes a desperate move to turn the

665
00:30:33,555 --> 00:30:36,323
tables. Meanwhile, Sophia strives to build a new legacy

666
00:30:36,411 --> 00:30:39,355
for herself as a giagante. Added in

667
00:30:39,387 --> 00:30:40,479
that last part.

668
00:30:42,479 --> 00:30:45,023
will, what are some of your thoughts,

669
00:30:45,111 --> 00:30:47,163
overall? Thoughts about homecoming?

670
00:30:47,351 --> 00:30:50,235
>> Will: Yeah, escalation, I think,

671
00:30:50,267 --> 00:30:53,155
is. What if I had to sum it up in one

672
00:30:53,187 --> 00:30:56,141
word, and just expand on that? I mean, just everything

673
00:30:56,205 --> 00:30:58,769
that happened last week's episode was just

674
00:30:59,229 --> 00:31:02,101
phenomenal. I think. I call it riveting. and

675
00:31:02,125 --> 00:31:04,969
this week's episode really just took

676
00:31:05,469 --> 00:31:08,125
what happened there and just took it up a

677
00:31:08,157 --> 00:31:10,677
level. We do get more oz this

678
00:31:10,733 --> 00:31:13,615
week. and, of

679
00:31:13,647 --> 00:31:15,659
course, Sophia and her,

680
00:31:16,939 --> 00:31:19,795
continues to go on a

681
00:31:19,827 --> 00:31:20,719
path that,

682
00:31:23,439 --> 00:31:26,391
how she is planning on building her

683
00:31:26,415 --> 00:31:29,353
family and her, own crime family now in

684
00:31:29,377 --> 00:31:31,261
Gotham. And so

685
00:31:32,041 --> 00:31:34,497
this episode truly did escalate a lot of

686
00:31:34,529 --> 00:31:37,231
things. Pull, you know, again, got.

687
00:31:37,971 --> 00:31:40,947
Now that, as I mentioned before with the earlier

688
00:31:41,019 --> 00:31:43,867
episodes, we, you know, he sort of got introduced to these

689
00:31:43,899 --> 00:31:46,675
characters. Now all the. All the chess pieces are being

690
00:31:46,723 --> 00:31:49,699
moved across the board. Oz is also, you know, he

691
00:31:49,715 --> 00:31:52,707
moves his chess piece. But of course, Oz's

692
00:31:52,819 --> 00:31:55,211
own short sightedness, again, gets to. Gets,

693
00:31:56,451 --> 00:31:59,433
hamstrings him, but, But, you know, but

694
00:31:59,449 --> 00:32:02,105
he manages to rebound. But those are just some quick

695
00:32:02,145 --> 00:32:04,205
overall thoughts as far as the episode itself.

696
00:32:06,975 --> 00:32:09,655
>> Sarah : Yeah, this reminds, me a lot of

697
00:32:09,695 --> 00:32:12,465
episode two, in terms of the

698
00:32:12,505 --> 00:32:15,385
moving parts, the different angles at

699
00:32:15,425 --> 00:32:18,135
play, trying to think about

700
00:32:18,435 --> 00:32:21,147
where. So we start off,

701
00:32:21,211 --> 00:32:23,427
essentially where we

702
00:32:23,491 --> 00:32:26,385
ended, in a way, previously

703
00:32:26,465 --> 00:32:29,325
because we. We see,

704
00:32:29,445 --> 00:32:32,177
them burning the car. and then. And

705
00:32:32,201 --> 00:32:34,489
then we hear a rex

706
00:32:34,577 --> 00:32:37,273
calibre story, from Oz.

707
00:32:37,385 --> 00:32:40,281
He's the same person that was mentioned in

708
00:32:40,289 --> 00:32:42,945
the first episode when he was talking to Al,

709
00:32:43,041 --> 00:32:43,689
correct?

710
00:32:43,833 --> 00:32:44,797
>> Will: That's correct.

711
00:32:45,257 --> 00:32:48,049
>> Sarah : Okay. Okay, here's some.

712
00:32:48,113 --> 00:32:50,913
Okay, I'm just going to throw this out here because it came to

713
00:32:50,945 --> 00:32:53,842
my mind earlier today. and I have no

714
00:32:53,874 --> 00:32:56,690
idea. Is there a chance that this Rex

715
00:32:56,738 --> 00:32:59,714
guy, who we keep hearing about, who nobody else

716
00:32:59,770 --> 00:33:02,378
seems to have ever heard of, is

717
00:33:02,442 --> 00:33:03,966
Oz's actual father?

718
00:33:06,766 --> 00:33:09,734
>> Will: that's a. You know, that's a very good question and

719
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:12,326
a good point because, you know,

720
00:33:12,486 --> 00:33:15,310
Rex, in the comics before, it was retconned

721
00:33:15,398 --> 00:33:18,166
was originally, Selena Cowell's father.

722
00:33:19,466 --> 00:33:20,234
>> Sarah : Okay.

723
00:33:20,370 --> 00:33:23,172
>> Will: And then in the, you know, but for, for

724
00:33:23,324 --> 00:33:25,656
the Matt Reeves, the Batman verse,

725
00:33:26,116 --> 00:33:29,044
we discussed this, and, you know, we discussed this last week, or maybe

726
00:33:29,060 --> 00:33:31,524
the week before he was now, you know,

727
00:33:31,580 --> 00:33:32,932
Carmine falcons.

728
00:33:32,964 --> 00:33:33,732
>> Sarah : Carmine.

729
00:33:33,884 --> 00:33:36,538
>> Will: Yeah, Carmine, is Selena's father. So

730
00:33:36,602 --> 00:33:39,402
maybe in this story, it was maybe that's. And maybe

731
00:33:39,434 --> 00:33:41,406
that's sort of the tie in between,

732
00:33:42,386 --> 00:33:45,200
Rex and, why

733
00:33:45,248 --> 00:33:47,962
and Oz's mother. that makes total sense because I

734
00:33:47,978 --> 00:33:50,054
think, yeah,

735
00:33:51,154 --> 00:33:53,964
that could be the play here. why

736
00:33:54,124 --> 00:33:55,704
there's that affection there.

737
00:33:56,844 --> 00:33:59,596
>> Sarah : Yeah. It's also just,

738
00:33:59,780 --> 00:34:01,624
we definitely know,

739
00:34:02,124 --> 00:34:04,948
like, the mom raised

740
00:34:04,996 --> 00:34:07,956
the boys, and she makes

741
00:34:08,020 --> 00:34:10,444
references, but we never hear a

742
00:34:10,484 --> 00:34:13,234
surname. and it's just,

743
00:34:13,314 --> 00:34:16,314
it's just interesting. It's just something that I'm like, why

744
00:34:16,354 --> 00:34:19,178
do. It's funny how he always refers to this

745
00:34:19,226 --> 00:34:21,698
gangster, this, like, one particular

746
00:34:21,826 --> 00:34:24,786
person, m that had

747
00:34:24,810 --> 00:34:27,810
a big influence. And it might not be his father,

748
00:34:28,002 --> 00:34:30,730
but it could be that he's also a

749
00:34:30,762 --> 00:34:31,954
bastard. So.

750
00:34:32,034 --> 00:34:34,946
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, it could be that. But he clearly sees him as

751
00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:37,908
a father figure, sort of like the rule he's playing that, he

752
00:34:37,916 --> 00:34:40,902
is sort of stepping in now for, for Vic, given that his

753
00:34:40,918 --> 00:34:41,726
father did.

754
00:34:41,830 --> 00:34:44,194
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, definitely.

755
00:34:44,744 --> 00:34:47,544
and then he, he rounds up the boys,

756
00:34:48,174 --> 00:34:51,054
to help, to, and gets them to help

757
00:34:51,094 --> 00:34:53,700
him, take out the moronis who have stolen the

758
00:34:53,732 --> 00:34:56,464
mushrooms. And this leads to,

759
00:34:56,764 --> 00:34:59,260
logically, them kidnapping Sal

760
00:34:59,332 --> 00:35:02,094
and, Nadia's son. Yep, yep, yep,

761
00:35:02,134 --> 00:35:02,714
yep.

762
00:35:03,714 --> 00:35:06,534
>> Will: Yeah, Vic, you know, Vic learned how to fight.

763
00:35:07,594 --> 00:35:10,378
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, Vic stepped up his game

764
00:35:10,426 --> 00:35:13,242
for sure. He really wanted in on the action and

765
00:35:13,258 --> 00:35:16,010
then immediately put on the bench for

766
00:35:16,042 --> 00:35:18,974
mom sitting. But we'll get into that in a moment.

767
00:35:20,264 --> 00:35:23,100
and along the way, he learns about how Sophia

768
00:35:23,292 --> 00:35:26,164
has and her recent actions of

769
00:35:26,204 --> 00:35:28,584
taking her own family off the table,

770
00:35:29,214 --> 00:35:32,092
with, a gas lead leak. And, and John viti

771
00:35:32,124 --> 00:35:32,884
survived.

772
00:35:33,060 --> 00:35:35,964
>> Will: Yep, yep. And we got it. We got, we got

773
00:35:35,980 --> 00:35:38,730
the corrupt cop from, we got the police chief actually

774
00:35:38,778 --> 00:35:41,758
was a little tie in from the, Batman movie.

775
00:35:41,934 --> 00:35:44,910
I, remember that, it was the voice, more than

776
00:35:44,942 --> 00:35:47,114
its appearance, that I remember from the Batman

777
00:35:47,934 --> 00:35:49,794
whenever. So when he was.

778
00:35:50,134 --> 00:35:53,070
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, I. Yeah, I know

779
00:35:53,102 --> 00:35:56,030
who you're talking about, but I don't remember him from the

780
00:35:56,062 --> 00:35:58,918
movie itself. The voice just drove me crazy,

781
00:35:58,966 --> 00:36:00,886
though, this entire episode.

782
00:36:01,070 --> 00:36:03,234
>> Will: That's why I think you remembered him.

783
00:36:05,254 --> 00:36:08,150
But I love the way Sophia just, like, you know, talked, you know,

784
00:36:08,182 --> 00:36:10,886
she was like, yeah, you know, play how she

785
00:36:10,910 --> 00:36:13,542
just played that game while she was, was talking to the

786
00:36:13,558 --> 00:36:14,114
chief.

787
00:36:15,814 --> 00:36:18,470
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, she.

788
00:36:18,582 --> 00:36:21,466
She. She definitely has a

789
00:36:21,490 --> 00:36:24,364
plan. what are your thoughts about

790
00:36:25,144 --> 00:36:27,928
her conversation with John Viti, who

791
00:36:27,976 --> 00:36:30,912
she basically holds hostage for most of

792
00:36:30,928 --> 00:36:32,800
the episode, and then

793
00:36:32,872 --> 00:36:34,004
ultimately,

794
00:36:36,704 --> 00:36:38,524
her using him to

795
00:36:39,464 --> 00:36:42,296
bring everyone to the table and then,

796
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,930
within a minute, shooting him dead on the

797
00:36:44,962 --> 00:36:45,614
spot.

798
00:36:48,594 --> 00:36:51,174
Yeah, like, think about that.

799
00:36:51,674 --> 00:36:54,460
>> Will: Yeah. So, you know, it was the whole

800
00:36:54,492 --> 00:36:57,476
conversation because we know. We

801
00:36:57,500 --> 00:37:00,144
wonder why, of all people,

802
00:37:00,924 --> 00:37:03,876
you know, she. She spared him. And of course, we

803
00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:06,868
learned a reason why, because he, you know, he knew where Carmine's,

804
00:37:06,916 --> 00:37:08,504
you know, hidden money was.

805
00:37:09,328 --> 00:37:12,046
>> Will: and but, you know, honestly, whenever she had

806
00:37:12,062 --> 00:37:15,060
him there in the, in the. In the cellar, I

807
00:37:15,068 --> 00:37:17,886
guess, where, I guess the, I guess the catacombs where the families all.

808
00:37:18,030 --> 00:37:20,916
Where the family's buried. Literally, I

809
00:37:20,956 --> 00:37:23,932
fought that. I honestly thought she was going to kill him there after

810
00:37:23,964 --> 00:37:26,308
she, you know, I thought she was going to just talk, you know,

811
00:37:26,372 --> 00:37:28,972
with the cold water and

812
00:37:29,124 --> 00:37:31,620
everything else and the whole story about, you

813
00:37:31,628 --> 00:37:34,536
know. You know, we learned that,

814
00:37:34,486 --> 00:37:37,358
Vidi and Sophia's mom were cousins and

815
00:37:37,382 --> 00:37:40,086
everything. I really thought

816
00:37:40,166 --> 00:37:42,934
after, you know, he was going to spill the beans and then she was going to offer him

817
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:45,918
then. But I love. But it made

818
00:37:45,982 --> 00:37:48,934
total sense why she spared him. And then while she

819
00:37:48,990 --> 00:37:51,278
used him that way to get. Get the

820
00:37:51,302 --> 00:37:54,286
loyalty of all. All

821
00:37:54,326 --> 00:37:57,226
of the, you know, Falcone

822
00:37:58,566 --> 00:38:01,426
muscle, men there, in the room, it was,

823
00:38:01,466 --> 00:38:04,426
you know, it was. I thought about, you know, thought about other gangster

824
00:38:04,506 --> 00:38:07,178
movies and, you know, whenever she kissed

825
00:38:07,362 --> 00:38:10,226
kiss Johnny on the, back of the head and, I was listening

826
00:38:10,266 --> 00:38:13,032
to the, official penguin podcast, and they were talking about that

827
00:38:13,064 --> 00:38:16,032
moment and the whole kiss of death and

828
00:38:16,224 --> 00:38:19,032
that you see that in a lot of, you know, a lot of this,

829
00:38:19,144 --> 00:38:21,908
the genre, with gangster, movies and stuff.

830
00:38:21,956 --> 00:38:24,924
And, you know, they had a very interesting discussion about, is it a chicken or the egg? Which

831
00:38:24,964 --> 00:38:27,676
was it really from the mob first? Or did Hollywood, was that Hollywood

832
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:30,556
invention? But either way, I thought that was

833
00:38:30,580 --> 00:38:33,438
just a great, you know,

834
00:38:33,486 --> 00:38:36,382
really, this was the final straw. And then, you

835
00:38:36,398 --> 00:38:39,166
know, and this happened when a moment happened, I was

836
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:42,182
seeing the blood spilling over the table and, like, you

837
00:38:42,198 --> 00:38:44,838
know, soaping the blood, and I was like, man, the blood money

838
00:38:44,886 --> 00:38:47,638
there. literally, this.

839
00:38:47,686 --> 00:38:50,286
Visually, it was just like, so. It was just the

840
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:52,566
visceral nature of it was just so, like,

841
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:54,474
gripping, and

842
00:38:55,134 --> 00:38:55,782
it.

843
00:38:55,918 --> 00:38:58,798
>> Sarah : It felt like it was a scene

844
00:38:58,886 --> 00:39:01,354
shot from a classic,

845
00:39:01,354 --> 00:39:04,208
mobster gangster movie. Like,

846
00:39:04,376 --> 00:39:07,064
that's why I still. That there's not

847
00:39:07,104 --> 00:39:09,720
enough references to, like, that

848
00:39:09,792 --> 00:39:12,784
genre that people are talking about. They're just sticking

849
00:39:12,824 --> 00:39:15,636
to breaking bad, mainly.

850
00:39:15,740 --> 00:39:18,548
>> Will: But, yeah, that was what, godfather,

851
00:39:18,596 --> 00:39:19,744
too, if I recall.

852
00:39:20,604 --> 00:39:23,388
>> Sarah : Yeah, right. Great.

853
00:39:23,476 --> 00:39:25,264
It's just. Yeah.

854
00:39:27,704 --> 00:39:30,698
one thing about. For me, the

855
00:39:30,746 --> 00:39:33,042
conversation between Sophia and John

856
00:39:33,098 --> 00:39:36,016
Viti in the catacombs. is

857
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,444
it just me or was he in love with his cousin?

858
00:39:40,874 --> 00:39:42,330
>> Will: It seemed that way.

859
00:39:42,522 --> 00:39:45,082
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, there are. There are some weird

860
00:39:45,218 --> 00:39:47,938
pauses. And just the way he was saying things, I'm just

861
00:39:47,986 --> 00:39:50,906
like, so, so are. I

862
00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:53,426
get you. But you feel guilty because you

863
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:56,258
introduced them. Is it you feel

864
00:39:56,306 --> 00:39:59,258
guilty or you wanted her for yourself? I

865
00:39:59,266 --> 00:40:02,140
don't understand what's going on here. and we already know

866
00:40:02,172 --> 00:40:04,966
you were hooking up with Lucas wife, and so

867
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:07,950
who knows? Maybe she's a second cousin. I don't. I don't

868
00:40:07,982 --> 00:40:10,872
know. but. But I just want to point that

869
00:40:10,928 --> 00:40:13,644
out and. And also,

870
00:40:13,864 --> 00:40:16,746
to stick on Sophia for just a

871
00:40:16,810 --> 00:40:18,764
few more minutes. Julian.

872
00:40:20,754 --> 00:40:23,498
okay, so Julian basically proposed,

873
00:40:23,586 --> 00:40:26,530
right? Basically said, it's

874
00:40:26,562 --> 00:40:28,908
going to be you and me as long as you'll have

875
00:40:28,956 --> 00:40:31,744
me. I am subservient to you.

876
00:40:32,084 --> 00:40:34,464
I just want to be in on it with you.

877
00:40:35,084 --> 00:40:37,644
Let me kiss, kiss, kiss the ring.

878
00:40:37,804 --> 00:40:38,544
>> Will: Yeah.

879
00:40:39,924 --> 00:40:42,384
>> Sarah : The weirdest proposal ever.

880
00:40:42,684 --> 00:40:45,564
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, he's just. Yeah, there's

881
00:40:45,604 --> 00:40:48,284
so many levels to that. To that. His

882
00:40:48,364 --> 00:40:51,122
fascination with her, because as a

883
00:40:51,138 --> 00:40:53,898
fast, it's like a fascination of

884
00:40:53,946 --> 00:40:56,634
just, like, seeing, like, how

885
00:40:56,934 --> 00:40:59,034
her family, like, treated her

886
00:40:59,414 --> 00:41:02,334
and. And, you know, how

887
00:41:02,374 --> 00:41:05,150
she managed to rise above all of

888
00:41:05,182 --> 00:41:07,628
this, and become, you know,

889
00:41:07,676 --> 00:41:09,764
become Sophia

890
00:41:09,804 --> 00:41:12,324
gigante knew the new crime

891
00:41:12,364 --> 00:41:15,028
boss, but also, I think, just his

892
00:41:15,076 --> 00:41:18,060
role. And I think he's, you know, he's feeling. You know, we talked about

893
00:41:18,092 --> 00:41:21,060
this before, the guilt that he's feeling. You know, maybe he went

894
00:41:21,092 --> 00:41:23,996
into Arkham with good intentions and now he's just

895
00:41:24,020 --> 00:41:26,984
trying to rec. You know, trying to make amends,

896
00:41:26,994 --> 00:41:29,930
you know, for the guilt that he feels for, you know, standing

897
00:41:29,962 --> 00:41:32,788
by while she was. While she was, abused

898
00:41:32,916 --> 00:41:35,284
by the system and

899
00:41:35,404 --> 00:41:38,060
carmine. Yeah. So, I mean,

900
00:41:38,172 --> 00:41:41,140
their relationship is just one of the more fascinating elements of the show

901
00:41:41,212 --> 00:41:44,124
for me, and I'm just curious

902
00:41:44,164 --> 00:41:45,944
to see where. Where it leads.

903
00:41:46,894 --> 00:41:49,806
>> Sarah : Yeah, I'm not sure if I'm

904
00:41:49,870 --> 00:41:52,614
as fascinated or just a bit

905
00:41:52,654 --> 00:41:55,194
disturbed by it, just a bit. Like,

906
00:41:56,374 --> 00:41:59,262
what's your angle here? Because I think

907
00:41:59,318 --> 00:42:01,822
it's more of the guilt. But then

908
00:42:01,878 --> 00:42:03,914
again, you also

909
00:42:05,134 --> 00:42:07,214
heard about the deaths, the

910
00:42:07,294 --> 00:42:10,150
moroni's, the multiple deaths. And then

911
00:42:10,182 --> 00:42:13,062
immediately, it was like, that's Sophia. I want to be a

912
00:42:13,078 --> 00:42:16,038
part of this. Like, so, so do you.

913
00:42:16,086 --> 00:42:18,550
Are you still guilty? For what you helped

914
00:42:18,622 --> 00:42:20,794
create in her? Or

915
00:42:21,134 --> 00:42:24,038
are you. Are you now like.

916
00:42:24,126 --> 00:42:26,990
Oh, you're like me, or I want to be? I don't

917
00:42:27,022 --> 00:42:28,598
know. I I think he.

918
00:42:28,726 --> 00:42:31,558
>> Will: Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, I think the fact now

919
00:42:31,646 --> 00:42:34,622
that he saw what she did to the falcons. Yeah. He wants part of

920
00:42:34,638 --> 00:42:35,194
this.

921
00:42:35,854 --> 00:42:38,574
>> Sarah : Yeah, I think. Well, that's it. He says he.

922
00:42:38,614 --> 00:42:41,054
He's like, something along the lines of, I saw the

923
00:42:41,094 --> 00:42:44,026
release that it did for you and the freedom, and I want

924
00:42:44,050 --> 00:42:46,414
that, and maybe that's what it is. Like,

925
00:42:47,114 --> 00:42:49,978
I need to be a part of something to

926
00:42:50,026 --> 00:42:52,174
release myself from

927
00:42:54,114 --> 00:42:56,554
this person who did some

928
00:42:56,714 --> 00:42:59,506
horrific things to multiple people in

929
00:42:59,530 --> 00:43:02,496
Arkham. so now

930
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,408
I'm just going to join up, in a gangster mob, so I can

931
00:43:05,456 --> 00:43:07,764
probably kill people to get that right.

932
00:43:14,464 --> 00:43:16,844
>> Will: That makes sense, though. That makes total sense.

933
00:43:17,184 --> 00:43:18,644
>> Sarah : Oh, my God.

934
00:43:20,934 --> 00:43:23,158
and she does

935
00:43:23,206 --> 00:43:26,054
announce the Giaganti family

936
00:43:26,134 --> 00:43:28,874
name. So she's taken her mom's name.

937
00:43:29,814 --> 00:43:32,704
she's not going to uphold her father's legacy for. For

938
00:43:32,744 --> 00:43:35,164
obvious reasons. And

939
00:43:35,504 --> 00:43:38,320
you know what I heard. And that just made

940
00:43:38,352 --> 00:43:41,224
me question, are we watching the same show

941
00:43:41,264 --> 00:43:44,072
as everyone else? Apparently,

942
00:43:44,248 --> 00:43:47,208
some viewers have this theory that it

943
00:43:47,256 --> 00:43:50,208
wasn't Carmine who killed Isabella.

944
00:43:50,296 --> 00:43:52,004
It was. It was Al.

945
00:43:53,584 --> 00:43:54,444
>> Will: Oh,

946
00:43:56,584 --> 00:43:57,844
it was Carmine.

947
00:43:58,194 --> 00:44:00,738
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. That theory doesn't

948
00:44:00,786 --> 00:44:03,698
fly because we know fact. That

949
00:44:03,746 --> 00:44:06,682
car that Al helped get Sophia out,

950
00:44:06,778 --> 00:44:09,650
and the only time that

951
00:44:09,722 --> 00:44:12,530
she could be free was right after Carmine

952
00:44:12,562 --> 00:44:15,514
died. Like, like, and

953
00:44:15,554 --> 00:44:18,338
carmine, it's not. It's not as though Carmine

954
00:44:18,386 --> 00:44:20,744
finds out that al's, the hangman

955
00:44:21,204 --> 00:44:23,948
and then throws Sophie under the bus

956
00:44:23,996 --> 00:44:26,724
because he's already written off his

957
00:44:26,764 --> 00:44:29,556
son. Like, we saw that dinner scene,

958
00:44:29,620 --> 00:44:32,596
so I just had to throw that out there. That. I think that's

959
00:44:32,620 --> 00:44:35,324
a ridiculous theory and makes me just mean.

960
00:44:35,364 --> 00:44:37,388
Like, are we watching the same show, people?

961
00:44:37,476 --> 00:44:40,396
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Cause to me, that that just undermines everything that.

962
00:44:40,540 --> 00:44:42,064
What they've established here.

963
00:44:42,364 --> 00:44:45,348
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. There's so many

964
00:44:45,436 --> 00:44:48,420
holes in that where I'm like, I feel like you're just

965
00:44:48,492 --> 00:44:51,204
trying to create a theory for the sake of having

966
00:44:51,284 --> 00:44:54,190
one. When they've explained the events

967
00:44:54,222 --> 00:44:56,342
that happened very, very

968
00:44:56,518 --> 00:44:58,966
concisely, what they have not explained to

969
00:44:58,990 --> 00:45:01,834
me. My big,

970
00:45:02,174 --> 00:45:05,154
nitpick I have with this episode is.

971
00:45:05,934 --> 00:45:08,556
Is the. The, sal of it

972
00:45:08,580 --> 00:45:11,334
all, okay. M Okay.

973
00:45:11,914 --> 00:45:14,890
Because Oz sends

974
00:45:15,042 --> 00:45:17,904
someone to shanks Sal

975
00:45:18,074 --> 00:45:19,636
in the jail, right?

976
00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:20,372
>> Will: Yep. Right.

977
00:45:20,428 --> 00:45:23,076
>> Sarah : And then later, we get. He gets a

978
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:25,996
call, and it's not

979
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:28,900
who he expected on the other line. It's not Mike. Mike's

980
00:45:28,932 --> 00:45:31,860
dead. It's Sal. And then

981
00:45:31,892 --> 00:45:34,824
the next thing I know, Sal's in this cabin,

982
00:45:36,404 --> 00:45:39,220
no longer in jail. So he goes from

983
00:45:39,252 --> 00:45:42,204
being in jail to no longer being,

984
00:45:42,284 --> 00:45:44,930
to getting shanked to no longer being in jail.

985
00:45:45,092 --> 00:45:48,062
And then, and then obviously,

986
00:45:48,118 --> 00:45:50,854
Sophia knows really quickly how to find

987
00:45:50,894 --> 00:45:51,430
him.

988
00:45:51,582 --> 00:45:54,582
>> Will: Yeah. Like,

989
00:45:54,638 --> 00:45:57,114
she's got. She's got good people. Yeah.

990
00:45:57,594 --> 00:46:00,568
>> Sarah : I, like, I don't know what I had take a bigger issue with, like,

991
00:46:00,616 --> 00:46:03,608
Sophia just like, instantly knowing

992
00:46:03,656 --> 00:46:06,376
where he is, which, yeah, I could. I

993
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,112
could probably, like,

994
00:46:09,208 --> 00:46:11,946
make. Make some logic to that, but

995
00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:14,962
the whole he's shanked, and next

996
00:46:15,018 --> 00:46:17,834
thing we know, he's picking up the

997
00:46:17,874 --> 00:46:20,426
phone in ark or in. In

998
00:46:20,530 --> 00:46:23,370
jail, and then the next thing we know,

999
00:46:23,402 --> 00:46:24,724
he's free. Yeah.

1000
00:46:25,066 --> 00:46:25,570
>> Will: yeah.

1001
00:46:25,682 --> 00:46:26,894
>> Sarah : Make sense.

1002
00:46:28,794 --> 00:46:31,602
>> Will: well, I mean, because, I mean, most of the Maroney. Well,

1003
00:46:31,738 --> 00:46:34,574
because several of Maroney henchmen. Well, I guess

1004
00:46:35,394 --> 00:46:38,124
Salenne, at that point. By that point, he

1005
00:46:38,164 --> 00:46:41,030
knows that Nadia, and his son

1006
00:46:41,062 --> 00:46:42,158
are dead. Correct.

1007
00:46:42,286 --> 00:46:44,854
>> Sarah : If I recall, by what point?

1008
00:46:45,014 --> 00:46:47,902
>> Will: At the. By the time he was at the cabin. Because I'm

1009
00:46:47,918 --> 00:46:48,150
thinking.

1010
00:46:48,182 --> 00:46:50,846
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, because Oz told him on the

1011
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:51,318
phone.

1012
00:46:51,446 --> 00:46:54,394
>> Will: Yeah. He told him on the phone. Yeah. So I guess

1013
00:46:54,854 --> 00:46:56,404
I get, So

1014
00:46:58,064 --> 00:47:00,592
you get shanked. He, you know,

1015
00:47:00,648 --> 00:47:02,564
clearly someone else,

1016
00:47:04,254 --> 00:47:07,074
you know, help us. He gets the keys. He gets out.

1017
00:47:08,214 --> 00:47:10,966
and I guess he just gets one of his henchmen to,

1018
00:47:10,990 --> 00:47:13,878
like, get him up there and

1019
00:47:13,886 --> 00:47:16,782
get his medical treatment. I mean, you know, I guess we just have

1020
00:47:16,798 --> 00:47:19,668
to like this. Maybe that's just, That

1021
00:47:19,716 --> 00:47:22,388
transition was just left on the editing floor for

1022
00:47:22,476 --> 00:47:24,004
time. Yeah.

1023
00:47:24,124 --> 00:47:26,940
>> Sarah : Oh, definitely. Yeah, definitely. It

1024
00:47:26,972 --> 00:47:29,718
was. It was either left on the editing

1025
00:47:29,806 --> 00:47:32,790
floor or it was just like, we're going to

1026
00:47:32,822 --> 00:47:35,822
try to, like you said at

1027
00:47:35,838 --> 00:47:38,822
the very beginning, like, this is all about escalation

1028
00:47:38,958 --> 00:47:41,622
and mainly focused on Oz and

1029
00:47:41,798 --> 00:47:44,486
everything turning against him.

1030
00:47:44,590 --> 00:47:47,406
So we have to keep that momentum. So

1031
00:47:47,590 --> 00:47:50,262
we can't explain or show

1032
00:47:50,398 --> 00:47:53,286
exactly how these other characters are moving,

1033
00:47:53,350 --> 00:47:56,344
but we have to get them to very specific places.

1034
00:47:56,384 --> 00:47:59,256
>> Will: Yeah, and here's where also. Yeah, that. And

1035
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,880
also here's where, you know, we are still in the comic book

1036
00:48:01,912 --> 00:48:04,776
universe. So this is where the comic book stuff sort of fits in

1037
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:05,364
here.

1038
00:48:07,984 --> 00:48:10,776
>> Sarah : I don't know if that's, that's a comic book flaw

1039
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,536
or just sometimes television in general

1040
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,088
has those. Well, for plot

1041
00:48:16,136 --> 00:48:18,880
conveniences, we need to. We

1042
00:48:18,912 --> 00:48:21,664
can't show every little detail about

1043
00:48:22,044 --> 00:48:23,664
this side character.

1044
00:48:24,834 --> 00:48:27,770
but, yeah, and then that just leaves

1045
00:48:27,802 --> 00:48:30,722
us. Well, that leaves us with both Oz and

1046
00:48:30,738 --> 00:48:32,944
then the vic storyline. and

1047
00:48:36,844 --> 00:48:39,744
so with Vic, like you said before,

1048
00:48:40,284 --> 00:48:43,066
he's placed on mom sitting

1049
00:48:43,260 --> 00:48:45,790
and something else I am not

1050
00:48:45,942 --> 00:48:48,514
hearing too many people talk about,

1051
00:48:48,894 --> 00:48:51,750
but it was really abundantly clear in

1052
00:48:51,782 --> 00:48:54,390
watching this episode. The actress who

1053
00:48:54,422 --> 00:48:57,024
plays, blaze, Oz's

1054
00:48:57,064 --> 00:48:59,920
mom, the fact that they're both

1055
00:49:00,032 --> 00:49:02,368
able to talk in a certain

1056
00:49:02,456 --> 00:49:05,232
cadence where you're just like,

1057
00:49:05,368 --> 00:49:07,800
oh, my God, like

1058
00:49:07,872 --> 00:49:10,422
that. That is definitely

1059
00:49:10,598 --> 00:49:13,166
his mom. Like, it's just the

1060
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:16,030
cadence. It's the humor. It's

1061
00:49:16,062 --> 00:49:18,598
just. There's something so

1062
00:49:18,646 --> 00:49:21,582
familiar. And then also, the actresses

1063
00:49:21,638 --> 00:49:24,302
did a fantastic job in this episode,

1064
00:49:24,358 --> 00:49:26,914
because when Vic comes to the house,

1065
00:49:27,214 --> 00:49:30,182
she, within the span of minutes,

1066
00:49:30,358 --> 00:49:31,474
goes from

1067
00:49:33,294 --> 00:49:35,902
viewing him as her dead

1068
00:49:35,958 --> 00:49:38,662
son. I don't think. I'm pretty sure it wasn't

1069
00:49:38,718 --> 00:49:41,598
Oz who she was viewing, because there's a reference to baseball

1070
00:49:41,646 --> 00:49:44,554
glob who I think was John or somebody's,

1071
00:49:44,934 --> 00:49:47,554
and reminiscing

1072
00:49:47,854 --> 00:49:50,774
to recognition that, oh, yeah, you're a

1073
00:49:50,814 --> 00:49:53,564
stranger. You're not, my son's dead.

1074
00:49:53,724 --> 00:49:56,236
And, like, you see a more villain,

1075
00:49:56,380 --> 00:49:59,364
villainous in evil or darkness come

1076
00:49:59,404 --> 00:50:00,284
out of her.

1077
00:50:00,444 --> 00:50:00,924
>> Will: Yeah.

1078
00:50:01,004 --> 00:50:03,588
>> Sarah : To. To just being excited

1079
00:50:03,676 --> 00:50:06,430
that her son is going to need her

1080
00:50:06,462 --> 00:50:09,174
help. Yes. He's making moves.

1081
00:50:09,294 --> 00:50:12,094
>> Will: He's making movies. Proud. She's proud of my

1082
00:50:12,134 --> 00:50:14,358
boy. My boy is doing his thing.

1083
00:50:14,486 --> 00:50:17,474
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1084
00:50:18,054 --> 00:50:20,390
>> Sarah : It was a great display of

1085
00:50:20,462 --> 00:50:22,914
acting. Anything.

1086
00:50:23,614 --> 00:50:26,534
Yeah. Because we, as

1087
00:50:26,574 --> 00:50:29,230
the viewers, are also watching this through

1088
00:50:29,342 --> 00:50:32,000
Vic's eyes, like, okay,

1089
00:50:32,192 --> 00:50:35,096
you're a nice old lady. Oh, no. And I

1090
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,120
feel sympathetic to. Are you gonna slap me?

1091
00:50:38,232 --> 00:50:40,680
To. To.

1092
00:50:40,872 --> 00:50:43,792
Oh, you bruised. I have to take care of you.

1093
00:50:43,848 --> 00:50:46,840
I'm responsible for you. To. Oh, you're a nagging

1094
00:50:46,872 --> 00:50:48,644
mom. Okay.

1095
00:50:50,344 --> 00:50:53,312
>> Will: Yeah. To this. To going over to Crown park. You

1096
00:50:53,328 --> 00:50:54,964
know, the crown point. And.

1097
00:50:55,944 --> 00:50:58,566
Yeah, I. And you're right. I mean, everything

1098
00:50:58,630 --> 00:51:01,454
about the mom is, like, the low key

1099
00:51:01,494 --> 00:51:02,834
mvp of the show.

1100
00:51:04,054 --> 00:51:06,974
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I like your line. Talk

1101
00:51:07,014 --> 00:51:08,582
about vip parking.

1102
00:51:08,718 --> 00:51:09,434
>> Will: Yeah.

1103
00:51:09,774 --> 00:51:12,718
>> Sarah : And she's. Was it. Was it a lamp

1104
00:51:12,806 --> 00:51:15,454
or. I forget what she had in her hands

1105
00:51:15,534 --> 00:51:18,534
while they were going into the apartment.

1106
00:51:18,654 --> 00:51:20,034
Francis Cobb.

1107
00:51:21,324 --> 00:51:23,646
but. But all of the work she

1108
00:51:23,710 --> 00:51:26,588
did. And, we see squid.

1109
00:51:26,756 --> 00:51:27,460
>> Will: Yes.

1110
00:51:27,612 --> 00:51:27,916
>> Sarah : Squid.

1111
00:51:27,940 --> 00:51:28,700
>> Will: See some going in.

1112
00:51:28,732 --> 00:51:31,692
>> Sarah : Yeah, squid definitely is

1113
00:51:31,748 --> 00:51:34,678
going to be a player in some future episodes. he's still

1114
00:51:34,726 --> 00:51:37,350
there. And

1115
00:51:37,462 --> 00:51:40,190
now they're held up in

1116
00:51:40,302 --> 00:51:43,234
Crown Point. And

1117
00:51:44,334 --> 00:51:46,584
Francis, points out

1118
00:51:47,604 --> 00:51:49,476
this side of town is cursed.

1119
00:51:49,620 --> 00:51:50,344
>> Will: Yeah.

1120
00:51:50,414 --> 00:51:53,246
>> Sarah : and I almost feel like, to

1121
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:56,182
an extent, I wonder if her other

1122
00:51:56,238 --> 00:51:58,314
sons died there.

1123
00:51:58,974 --> 00:52:01,302
Opposed to where currently living.

1124
00:52:01,478 --> 00:52:03,754
>> Will: Oh, I think so. Yeah. You know,

1125
00:52:04,494 --> 00:52:07,406
I don't know if it was a subtle. I don't know if they were, like, trying to

1126
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:10,398
make the point that Oz. That they came

1127
00:52:10,446 --> 00:52:13,112
out of Crown Point and now they're.

1128
00:52:13,208 --> 00:52:15,736
Or. Or that's just my

1129
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,344
interpretation. But, you know, or similar

1130
00:52:18,504 --> 00:52:21,272
part of town like Crown Point, you know, with all the things that they

1131
00:52:21,288 --> 00:52:24,256
were talking about. You know, Oz also mentioned in a great view of the

1132
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,246
city, and, you know, and the other thing about

1133
00:52:27,390 --> 00:52:30,358
that whole sequence. And I love how they,

1134
00:52:30,526 --> 00:52:33,234
you know, Vic was smart enough to, like, you know,

1135
00:52:34,054 --> 00:52:36,886
use crown point as the hiding place is, you know,

1136
00:52:36,910 --> 00:52:39,714
Gotham. Gotham as a character. And we talked about this before,

1137
00:52:39,854 --> 00:52:40,534
and

1138
00:52:42,194 --> 00:52:45,010
really not only Gotham as a character, but

1139
00:52:45,042 --> 00:52:47,762
also tie in Vic's story

1140
00:52:47,938 --> 00:52:50,658
that we saw in episode with his origins

1141
00:52:50,746 --> 00:52:53,602
in episode three and how it got decimated by the

1142
00:52:53,618 --> 00:52:56,084
Riddler's terrorist, acts.

1143
00:52:57,464 --> 00:53:00,248
It just, again, just really

1144
00:53:00,376 --> 00:53:03,160
highlights all

1145
00:53:03,272 --> 00:53:06,244
about Gotham as a character and

1146
00:53:06,624 --> 00:53:09,592
in and of itself. And. And

1147
00:53:09,688 --> 00:53:12,608
so how it was used in this episode,

1148
00:53:12,614 --> 00:53:14,854
not only from, you know, like you said,

1149
00:53:15,394 --> 00:53:18,362
where she was just so proud of what Francis is

1150
00:53:18,378 --> 00:53:21,042
so proud of Oz that she thought he was. He's taken out the

1151
00:53:21,058 --> 00:53:23,778
Maronis, he's taken out the falcons. And then

1152
00:53:23,906 --> 00:53:26,842
the. The utter despair whenever he, you know,

1153
00:53:26,938 --> 00:53:29,760
after he's felled. and she realizes

1154
00:53:29,792 --> 00:53:32,408
it and he's there in the bed and he's trying to get

1155
00:53:32,536 --> 00:53:35,064
with her and all that kind of stuff. And that was a very edible,

1156
00:53:35,184 --> 00:53:38,184
like, weird thing, too, that I was this oedipus. Like, I

1157
00:53:38,184 --> 00:53:40,720
was like. But with their

1158
00:53:40,752 --> 00:53:43,672
relationship. But the disappointment,

1159
00:53:43,768 --> 00:53:46,560
you know, with the. That was that she

1160
00:53:46,592 --> 00:53:49,512
felt because, you know, they. They came out of this area and now here

1161
00:53:49,528 --> 00:53:52,336
we are back again. So I thought that was.

1162
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:53,204
Yeah.

1163
00:53:54,104 --> 00:53:56,864
>> Sarah : Yeah. I mean, the. The title

1164
00:53:56,904 --> 00:53:59,460
of homecoming. Homecoming

1165
00:53:59,532 --> 00:54:02,424
usually associate with good,

1166
00:54:02,954 --> 00:54:05,126
and pleasant, but this was almost a

1167
00:54:05,150 --> 00:54:06,994
reverse where

1168
00:54:07,774 --> 00:54:10,654
they. Because of the actions

1169
00:54:10,734 --> 00:54:13,230
of Oz, they

1170
00:54:13,262 --> 00:54:16,206
are pushed back into

1171
00:54:16,350 --> 00:54:19,278
this place which they had previously

1172
00:54:19,326 --> 00:54:21,474
risen and come out of.

1173
00:54:24,394 --> 00:54:27,066
And it was

1174
00:54:27,130 --> 00:54:30,010
interesting at the end of the episode when they're

1175
00:54:30,042 --> 00:54:31,964
going through the tunnels. And,

1176
00:54:33,164 --> 00:54:36,100
it's funny because we start the episode with

1177
00:54:36,132 --> 00:54:38,264
a moment of Oz reminiscing

1178
00:54:38,724 --> 00:54:41,516
about his youth, and

1179
00:54:41,540 --> 00:54:44,036
we end the episode the same way

1180
00:54:44,140 --> 00:54:47,036
where he's back in

1181
00:54:47,060 --> 00:54:49,558
the tunnels that he used to roam around

1182
00:54:49,716 --> 00:54:52,410
with his brothers. And instantly my

1183
00:54:52,442 --> 00:54:55,154
mind goes to the old Batman movies

1184
00:54:55,234 --> 00:54:58,156
and, Yeah, Batman return and how the

1185
00:54:58,220 --> 00:55:01,156
penguins hideout was in the tunnels. And I'm like, oh, this is. This

1186
00:55:01,180 --> 00:55:02,356
is so clever.

1187
00:55:02,540 --> 00:55:02,908
>> Will: Yeah.

1188
00:55:02,956 --> 00:55:05,724
>> Sarah : And then it's even more clever when.

1189
00:55:05,804 --> 00:55:08,508
When they're like, yeah, we're gonna. This is the perfect

1190
00:55:08,556 --> 00:55:11,388
spot for us to grow these

1191
00:55:11,436 --> 00:55:14,188
mushrooms because of the humidity.

1192
00:55:14,276 --> 00:55:17,276
And it just the, like, when we

1193
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:19,024
talk about grounding

1194
00:55:20,044 --> 00:55:22,024
elements or making

1195
00:55:23,044 --> 00:55:25,236
the superhero genre more

1196
00:55:25,300 --> 00:55:28,140
realistic, that is what

1197
00:55:28,172 --> 00:55:30,348
this show is doing to

1198
00:55:30,396 --> 00:55:33,284
perfection. where

1199
00:55:33,624 --> 00:55:36,498
it's hilarious. to me, that we're on

1200
00:55:36,546 --> 00:55:39,534
episode five and we.

1201
00:55:40,874 --> 00:55:43,778
We're in it. We're in Gotham. Like, this

1202
00:55:43,826 --> 00:55:46,226
place. We are very familiar with it for

1203
00:55:46,290 --> 00:55:47,026
decades.

1204
00:55:47,130 --> 00:55:48,258
>> Will: Yeah, for sure.

1205
00:55:48,306 --> 00:55:51,034
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Nobody's thinking to

1206
00:55:51,074 --> 00:55:53,770
themselves. Or at least I'm not.

1207
00:55:53,962 --> 00:55:55,226
Where's Batman?

1208
00:55:55,410 --> 00:55:55,842
>> Will: Yeah.

1209
00:55:55,898 --> 00:55:58,730
>> Sarah : Like, because honestly, if you look at

1210
00:55:58,882 --> 00:56:01,642
everything that has happened, why

1211
00:56:01,698 --> 00:56:04,414
would God. Why would Batman suddenly appear?

1212
00:56:04,754 --> 00:56:04,884
Yeah.

1213
00:56:05,138 --> 00:56:05,874
>> Will: you're right.

1214
00:56:06,294 --> 00:56:08,754
>> Sarah : They. They haven't done anything.

1215
00:56:09,134 --> 00:56:11,750
They've killed people. Yeah. But they've also killed each

1216
00:56:11,782 --> 00:56:12,286
other.

1217
00:56:12,430 --> 00:56:15,406
>> Will: Yeah. It's just a game. It's a game war. And Batman's. Yeah,

1218
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:18,366
at this point, yeah, there's no.

1219
00:56:18,430 --> 00:56:21,358
>> Sarah : And. And why that works is also. There's

1220
00:56:21,406 --> 00:56:24,274
no need for that atypical

1221
00:56:24,574 --> 00:56:27,574
hero. And I'm not saying

1222
00:56:27,734 --> 00:56:30,150
that penguin in any way is an

1223
00:56:30,182 --> 00:56:32,760
antihero. I'm saying the penguin is the

1224
00:56:32,792 --> 00:56:35,764
protagonist of the story. Now,

1225
00:56:37,064 --> 00:56:40,024
why he works as a protagonist, and

1226
00:56:40,064 --> 00:56:42,480
you can still root for him is

1227
00:56:42,512 --> 00:56:45,324
because we're shown,

1228
00:56:45,664 --> 00:56:48,648
like, the reasons why to be empathetic. I

1229
00:56:48,656 --> 00:56:51,576
mean, specifically with his mom and this. Yeah.

1230
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,576
Sometimes it can lead to that oedipus. But at the same

1231
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,440
time, you're. You see other moments where

1232
00:56:57,472 --> 00:57:00,380
it's like she, She's clearly sick, but you

1233
00:57:00,412 --> 00:57:03,060
also see the past abuse. Like, it's so

1234
00:57:03,172 --> 00:57:04,556
multifaceted.

1235
00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:05,212
>> Will: Yeah.

1236
00:57:05,308 --> 00:57:08,084
>> Sarah : That you feel empathy for him. And then his

1237
00:57:08,124 --> 00:57:10,884
conversation with Eve Carlo and how we've

1238
00:57:10,924 --> 00:57:13,900
Scene that relationship and. And we

1239
00:57:13,932 --> 00:57:16,812
understand from her perspective, like,

1240
00:57:16,868 --> 00:57:19,384
I don't hate her. I'm not mad at her.

1241
00:57:19,804 --> 00:57:22,772
But I also am just, like, I

1242
00:57:22,788 --> 00:57:25,452
don't know if that was the best decision to suddenly

1243
00:57:25,508 --> 00:57:28,292
say, penguin, I'm out. You're kind of

1244
00:57:28,348 --> 00:57:30,828
on your own. We need to disassociate

1245
00:57:30,916 --> 00:57:33,852
because I need to protect what's mine.

1246
00:57:33,948 --> 00:57:36,882
And you need to do you, obviously, because, I'm not

1247
00:57:36,914 --> 00:57:38,246
going down with you.

1248
00:57:39,986 --> 00:57:42,890
So I'm curious about when

1249
00:57:42,938 --> 00:57:45,786
she'll show up again in future episodes

1250
00:57:45,906 --> 00:57:48,410
and how they'll come to terms or if she's

1251
00:57:48,498 --> 00:57:50,326
living beyond this season.

1252
00:57:51,196 --> 00:57:53,940
but anyway, so we're able to

1253
00:57:53,988 --> 00:57:56,056
just, like, we're able to

1254
00:57:56,796 --> 00:57:59,364
root for the gangster

1255
00:57:59,540 --> 00:58:02,296
mobsters of, like, sopranos

1256
00:58:02,836 --> 00:58:05,740
of, of godfather. It's just the

1257
00:58:05,780 --> 00:58:07,280
family of it all.

1258
00:58:09,420 --> 00:58:12,200
And it's just. It's just fascinating.

1259
00:58:12,580 --> 00:58:15,572
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, it is. It is. And, like, you know,

1260
00:58:15,596 --> 00:58:18,468
and, you know, just to go back to my opening faults as

1261
00:58:18,484 --> 00:58:21,288
far as, like, you know, Oz

1262
00:58:21,328 --> 00:58:23,828
is short sightedness again. And, like.

1263
00:58:24,808 --> 00:58:27,272
And, you know, and you're right, he's not an anti

1264
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,014
hero. but he is the hero of his own story.

1265
00:58:30,206 --> 00:58:33,134
And. And whenever he's doing these actions,

1266
00:58:33,166 --> 00:58:34,978
like, when he does, like, you know,

1267
00:58:35,478 --> 00:58:38,440
whatever, he makes it to the Moroni lab to do the

1268
00:58:38,464 --> 00:58:41,448
exchange, and Nadia's there, and, you know, the sun

1269
00:58:41,488 --> 00:58:44,416
comes out and he's all drenched. And I was like, where? I was like, okay, I'm

1270
00:58:44,432 --> 00:58:47,328
thinking, you know, my mom went back, honestly went back to

1271
00:58:47,408 --> 00:58:49,850
Davidi, being soaked. And

1272
00:58:49,874 --> 00:58:52,154
then, you know, but then when

1273
00:58:52,226 --> 00:58:55,114
Oz lights to the lighter

1274
00:58:55,146 --> 00:58:57,930
and sets the trail of gasoline,

1275
00:58:57,994 --> 00:59:00,906
and again, bookending the chariot from

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the beginning of, like, when they blew up the car

1277
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to now this. Just

1278
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the fire. Just the purging fire. But

1279
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then in that same moment, again, his short sightedness didn't

1280
00:59:12,466 --> 00:59:15,138
think that, oh, if we set this, where. Set this

1281
00:59:15,178 --> 00:59:17,986
place, set them on fire, I might set off the

1282
00:59:18,002 --> 00:59:20,982
suppression system and then, like, destroy all the mushrooms.

1283
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And.

1284
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>> Sarah : And so he

1285
00:59:24,678 --> 00:59:27,454
also asked to see the mushrooms.

1286
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Like, they wouldn't have been as destroyed.

1287
00:59:30,366 --> 00:59:32,938
Like, there was a lot of

1288
00:59:33,278 --> 00:59:36,178
error in what he was doing.

1289
00:59:37,178 --> 00:59:39,594
there was also that look at the

1290
00:59:39,626 --> 00:59:41,678
fire that was burning.

1291
00:59:42,458 --> 00:59:45,410
And now that I'm thinking, yeah, and now that

1292
00:59:45,434 --> 00:59:48,274
I'm thinking, I wonder if by fire is how

1293
00:59:48,306 --> 00:59:49,584
his brothers died.

1294
00:59:49,696 --> 00:59:52,608
>> Sarah : M m maybe, like, there. There was

1295
00:59:52,632 --> 00:59:55,520
a weird. A weird moment there. And usually

1296
00:59:55,568 --> 00:59:58,552
when they hold on things, it's. It's because of. They

1297
00:59:58,584 --> 01:00:00,176
want to express something without.

1298
01:00:00,256 --> 01:00:02,556
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, I think,

1299
01:00:03,216 --> 01:00:05,976
yeah, that. That's a good. That's a good theory there,

1300
01:00:06,016 --> 01:00:08,704
because, I mean, we. We had the. We had that look both at the

1301
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,704
beginning, whenever the Maserati was blowing. Burning up, and

1302
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,720
then also whenever he was burning, the burning

1303
01:00:14,768 --> 01:00:17,660
Nadia and her son. yeah, so

1304
01:00:17,748 --> 01:00:20,636
there's that piece, but, you know, but at the same time,

1305
01:00:20,756 --> 01:00:23,056
you know, he's a survivor, and

1306
01:00:24,316 --> 01:00:27,292
he managed to salvage two buckets.

1307
01:00:27,484 --> 01:00:30,252
And then, as you. As you. As you described

1308
01:00:30,284 --> 01:00:32,900
earlier, you know, whenever he remembered the old trolley

1309
01:00:32,948 --> 01:00:34,896
system, and

1310
01:00:35,516 --> 01:00:38,276
that. That's. We can. We can

1311
01:00:38,316 --> 01:00:40,884
see the. The progression of how he becomes the

1312
01:00:40,900 --> 01:00:43,572
gentleman crown boss of Gotham,

1313
01:00:43,634 --> 01:00:46,586
with. With, you know, the actions that we see at the

1314
01:00:46,602 --> 01:00:49,314
end of this episode. So, I mean, the show is just so,

1315
01:00:49,386 --> 01:00:52,338
just so well, so, so well done. I mean, there's so many great, great things

1316
01:00:52,378 --> 01:00:53,558
about it, I have to say.

1317
01:00:54,458 --> 01:00:56,158
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah.

1318
01:00:58,138 --> 01:01:00,898
I think last week was better

1319
01:01:01,018 --> 01:01:03,882
than. But,

1320
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,336
we're. We're. We got momentum, and

1321
01:01:07,368 --> 01:01:09,900
we're. We're being. They're being very consistent.

1322
01:01:10,130 --> 01:01:13,068
with this story. and you feel like

1323
01:01:13,084 --> 01:01:15,884
you're in safe hands because you're like, everything is gonna

1324
01:01:15,972 --> 01:01:18,852
lead to something. And that

1325
01:01:18,876 --> 01:01:21,594
makes it fun and entertaining, to watch.

1326
01:01:21,762 --> 01:01:23,390
>> Will: It is. It is.

1327
01:01:23,390 --> 01:01:26,226
>> Sarah : Ah, well, on that note, will, why don't you tell our

1328
01:01:26,258 --> 01:01:28,090
listeners where they can find you?

1329
01:01:28,250 --> 01:01:31,202
>> Will: Yes, you can find me at, will mpolk, w I l

1330
01:01:31,234 --> 01:01:34,226
l m, p o l k on X, formerly known as Twitter.

1331
01:01:35,056 --> 01:01:37,720
>> Sarah : And you can find me there too, at SJ Belmont, SJB,

1332
01:01:37,768 --> 01:01:40,472
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1333
01:01:40,584 --> 01:01:43,400
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1334
01:01:43,448 --> 01:01:45,196
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1335
01:01:45,536 --> 01:01:47,952
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1336
01:01:48,024 --> 01:01:50,912
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1337
01:01:50,944 --> 01:01:53,728
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01:01:53,752 --> 01:01:56,616
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1339
01:01:56,656 --> 01:01:57,056
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