Greetings, nerds! Sarah Belmont and Will Polk are back with another episode of Scene N Nerd. They kick things off with Will's unexpected FOMO moment during the Tyson/Paul fight and a humorous take on Netflix's streaming issues, especially with the...
Greetings, nerds! Sarah Belmont and Will Polk are back with another episode of Scene N Nerd. They kick things off with Will's unexpected FOMO moment during the Tyson/Paul fight and a humorous take on Netflix's streaming issues, especially with the upcoming Christmas football game and Beyoncé's halftime show.
We dive into the world of Dune Prophecy through the eyes of casual fans. Join us as we explore their thoughts, reactions, and insights on the epic saga that has captivated audiences. From stunning visuals to complex characters, we discuss what resonated with newcomers and what they found intriguing about the Dune universe. Whether you're a die-hard fan or just curious about the hype, this episode offers a fresh perspective on the Dune experience!
The duo then dives into the latest episodes of "Superman and Lois," discussing the slow pacing and melodrama of the final season. They debate the character dynamics, particularly focusing on the twins, Jonathan and Jordan, and their evolving powers. Sarah and Will reflect on the show's strengths, particularly the Kent family moments, and the effectiveness of Sam Lane's swan song in episode three.
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Good night. Geek out. You're welcome.
Timestamps
0:00 Introduction and thoughts on the Tyson/Paul debacle
4:25 Superman and Lois Episode 3 "Always My Hero" and Episode 4 "A Perfectly Good Wedding"
20:15 Dune Prophecy "The Hidden Hand"
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Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with
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me, as always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Will Polk. Carried in tonight.
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Will.
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Will: Doing very well, Sarah. Looking forward to talking some
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Dune prophecy with you tonight.
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Sarah : Yeah. Starting a new
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show.
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Will: Yes, we are.
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Sarah : Yeah, that shall be
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interesting. I still can't believe you
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wasted your time with the Tyson Will Polk match.
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Like, that was
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not on my bingo card to see a
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DM from you about you struggling
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to watch it.
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Will: Yeah, yeah, it was one of the. It was. Honestly,
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I'll just, I'll own it. I have fomo. It
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was truly that. It was just a
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spectacle of, seeing that
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event and I, it was, it was truly
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fomo. Cause it was just, you know, I
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know they were supposed to fight, I believe, back in the summer and then
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Tyson had an injury or something like that, and it got
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pushed to this. It got pushed to this week and a friend of mine
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texted me about it, like, you're watching a fight tonight. I was like, oh, yeah,
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that's right. So then I had the NFOMO fully
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kicked in. And you know, all I have to say
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is that Netflix better get their stuff
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together because if they buffer like that
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during the Christmas football game with Beyonce
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doing the halftime show, they're gonna have to be hop after
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them.
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They think it was bad. Maybe they were like getting ripped up
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on a Friday night about the buffering. God,
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if, if she's in the middle of, middle of her song and
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halftime of. Because they're. So the NFL has,
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two Christmas, day
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game that's going to be streaming live on
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Netflix. And one of the games,
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Beyonce is doing the halftime show. So.
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Sarah : Who'S doing the other halftime?
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Will: I have no idea. I don't know it.
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Who knows? But but
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yes.
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Sarah : M. Which one is she doing? Who's playing?
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Will: She's doing a half time show. I think it's the Houston.
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Houston game. I can't remember who Houston's playing that day.
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But But yeah, that's just something new. Yeah, I mean
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obviously, you know, Amazon has
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been doing the Thursday night games on, on their
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platform streaming and it had some issues early on too with a
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lot of buffering and pixelated and felt like I was like
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watching something on a, you know, Commodore 64.
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But, but they've gotten their stuff. They've gotten it
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together. But, but I know Netflix is doing this
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and then also, I know they're also going to be doing, ah,
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WWE Raw, I think beginning
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of next year. So they Better get, you
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know, they got to get their. All their hamsters, like, you know, working
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so they can, you know, do these live events.
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I mean, even though 60 million people did watch the Tyson
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fight. Yeah,
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yeah. The other car was more. Well, as I said, I was trying to watch the
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undercard because it was actually interesting. And,
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and, and it kept, like, locking
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up and, And I was just like, really for
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real. But, yeah, yeah,
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I, I was guilty as charged. I was one of those folks.
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And I'm, you know, if any of our listeners were.
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Watched it, and I know some of you work because I
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saw some of you who I do engage with on
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social. I think y'all were tweeting about it too, so.
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So you can't deny it. Yeah, that's
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forever.
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Sarah : Yeah. Once it's on X, it's forever.
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So luck with that.
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Oh, man. Well, with.
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With that in mind of the holiday season,
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this is just a reminder that next week we
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will be taking a Thanksgiving break. So
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we will not be, with you
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guys, for our regularly regular,
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weekly chat, but we will return
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the following week. so
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we hope you all have a great Thanksgiving.
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and then on that note, so we are
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continuing down Superman and Lois.
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Yeah, this is
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me trying to remind myself what happened because
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I am, I'm at least glad, like, the first two
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episodes we watched together and like these two episodes
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we watched together,
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because if we were doing a week to week
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thing, this is just so,
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so overly slow
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paced.
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Will: Yeah.
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Sarah : And it's just. It's
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melodramatic for,
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no purpose. And really,
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all I just want to say is
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what really annoyed me
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was, just the fact that it's season
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four, it's last season, and yet
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within the span of these two hours,
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specifically, the twins have
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gone full circle. Full
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circle in terms of where they started and
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where they are now because. Because now
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Jonathan has powers
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and, Jordan is wo
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me mopey.
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Will: But Jordan's been wo me mopey all
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four seasons.
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Sarah : It's just. Yeah, yeah,
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it's just. I don't know
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why they decided to,
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like, even that playing field when it
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was so much more interesting. The golden child's
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one without the powers. And I mean, they could
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have done stuff with it, but it
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just. They didn't. And then
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they decided to go, like, this
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route, last ditch.
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Will: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, as far as
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Jonathan getting the powers,
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you know, I. It
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actually, I'm glad they went there, even though I
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know, because, you know, again, you can only
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take that golden child without the powers for so long. And.
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And you called it last week as soon as, As soon as
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Lex like showed up in the barn and played
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the The. The phone recording for, For
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Jordan. again, I guess the thing
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is the show for me is like. It's entertaining. But
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like, as we were talking before we started recording
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tonight after, you know, coming off
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of Agatha and also
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the Penguin, the two
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straightforward, like play by count by numbers,
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predictability. It's just.
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It's like I said, it's a fun watch,
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but it doesn't. It's just that it's a
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fun watch. And you see things coming
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the telegraphed. And we saw
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that. You Know, I do like the fact that,
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you know, Lois, you know, one of
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that. That part was telegraphed. But
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the thing is that the. The The
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cascading impacts from that
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confrontation, really leans into what
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this. This show really is about, which is at its course
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about the Kent family. And
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whenever they have those strong family moments, those. Whether
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it's strong emotions, you know,
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that's when this show really excels instead of getting into the
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superhero power stuff. so, you know, so it was really.
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Lois and Jordan have the, you know, get. Get
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to the core of their relationship and the
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dynamics there. I mean that. So, you know, there. There was
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really the payoff for the very predictable like, you know, outcome
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of Lex playing the video, the. The auto
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recording, you know, to Jordan to try to break them
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apart.
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Sarah : See, for some reason their
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scenes did not work for me. I
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thought the best scene, arguably of both
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episodes was when
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after, Clark,
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falls during practice with
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Jonathan, they go home and then
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they try to brush. He tries to brush it off.
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Will: Yeah. Yeah.
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Sarah : And I just. There was something about that
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where Tyler Hoechlin, great, great
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Clark Kent, great Superman. He's never been
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funnier.
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Will: Yeah.
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Sarah : Like, honestly, in all four seasons. I
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never like the charm he had in that
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scene alone. I was like, where has this been?
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Where. Where has this been? Why haven't
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we gotten more of this? This was awesome.
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And he. And then. And the
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bouncing off of Jonathan and Lois,
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like that scene was just like.
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I. Now I remember why
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I enjoy the Kent so much on this show, but I've
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also been missing this kind of
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behavior. So. Yeah, I really. I
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really liked a lot of the. I mean, to
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your point about. Thank God Jonathan
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has powers because
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now we get to see some cool action.
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and just the whole
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like him being able to train someone who
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is not as, just
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reluctant or it just like there's. There's so
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much trepidation and. Yeah, I don't
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know. But, but, but, yeah.
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that moment out of all of, all of
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them.
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Will: Yeah. And also. Yeah, also, I think, yeah, I was going to
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say also I think, with Jonathan getting
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powers, if I gave the actor
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who plays him, you know, more to work with other than just to be, you
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know, again, instead of the same
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predictable Jonathan Jordan, you know, thing
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to play off of this, you know,
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the, you know, we always knew that Jonathan was
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very confident, very sure of himself,
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and him fully
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embrace, like he said, embracing what he can do. And
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even, you know, I don't know if it's because his powers
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manifested themselves a little bit later.
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he, you know, you know, he
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either. Either that cost him or his confidence
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or his, you know, his really, allowed for
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him to like, do things like fly right out the gate and
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you know, do some of the things that Jordan, due to
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Jordan's insecurities or self doubt, you know, wasn't
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allowed, didn't allow him to be able to do,
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you know, whenever his powers manifested themselves first. So,
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you know, so it was really, it was good to see
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that, that contrast in the brothers. And it really
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does, you know, really did lean into their, their, their core
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personalities as far as how they, how they reacted
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when they, when they first got powers.
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Sarah : Yeah, I did, to go back to
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episode three real quickly. Always my
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hero. I did pre. I think that
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episode three is a stronger one of the
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two. because I
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can appreciate, Sam Lane's
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swan song that we got here.
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and not really paying attention enough where
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I didn't really, it wasn't as
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telegraphed for me. It took me a few minutes
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to realize, like, oh, okay, so
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then they're gonna use the heart and the heart transplant. Got
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on to that. You don't really understand that that's what's
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effective. This is how we
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get him back. And it makes sense.
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we both know the Aerovo shows, they love
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bringing back people and
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they're still not being a consequence. But in this case
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it was a life, a sacrifice to save
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another life. So it was very well
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done.
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Will: Yeah, yeah, they you know, if you're right, I mean,
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they did put the breadcrumbs. You know, of course, in hindsight, it's
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like, oh, yeah, you know, whenever you have those. Those flashback moments and
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stuff. But the thing is, the, you know, they've. They've
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been utilizing the flashbacks so well this
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season that, you know, to your point,
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by the time that you realize where they're going with it,
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it's like, oh, you know, it, it
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is effective. And I will say that, you know, Dylan,
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while she plays Sam Lane, I
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always, always like Sam, that was one of the stronger characters
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on the show. And, and
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whenever he. He did
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make. Make the sacrifice there, I mean, it was
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very effective. I, you know, did. And they kind of choke up a little
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bit because, you know, again, these are
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characters over the last four years that I have, you know, have grown.
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you know, I remember whenever
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we got word that it was going to be the fourth and final season and they were going
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to have the budget cuts that, a lot of the
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ensemble cast with this show were going
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to have to. We're going to be spread out. But I think
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what they've done, given the budget cuts,
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is whenever they have utilized these characters so
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far this season, they've. They used. They've used them
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well.
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Sarah : Yeah, yeah. I think the biggest
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breadcrumb, though, was, at the beginning
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when Sam asks if Natalie
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and. Or demands that Natalie and her father
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return to the DoD. Because
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as soon as that happened, it did cross my mind,
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oh, John Henry is coming back. So.
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three, I don't know if you remember this, there was some
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weird tension between Lana and Sam.
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between her and John Henry, so. So now.
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Lana. Got it.
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Will: Yep.
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Sarah : Oh, my God. And
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the fourth episode, it was just
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weird. It was honestly weird to go
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from that episode to say goodbye
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to a very important, pivotal
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character in the show and
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then to have a weird wedding
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episode.
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Will: Yeah, yeah.
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Sarah : And, Kyle and Chrissy,
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who we haven't seen at all up until this
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point. And also, it's been long enough
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where I forgot. Kyle knew. I forgot.
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Christy knew. Yeah,
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okay.
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Will: I forgot about Cal, but, yeah, I did remember
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Chrissy knowing. But, you're right, I had forgotten that, too.
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Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just.
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season three. Left a bad impression. It was the
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one it was starting to become. Everyone
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knows the secret. Let's see all of
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Smallville in. Got it.
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Okay. Oh, man. And it's just.
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It was. It was weird. It's. It's.
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It's. It's weird to me how
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the. The show. We're at episode
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four. I think there's 12 episodes
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this season.
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Will: 10.
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Sarah : 10 episodes this season.
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And it's. It's weird
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how we're seeing faces and
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then we're not seeing faces. Like, I will be
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honest. I didn't really think a lot about John
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Henry and Natalie up until, like, oh, we need them
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back at the dod. I'm like, oh, that can happen.
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Like, what was going on there? And then. And then she brought up
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Mateo, and I'm like, oh, yeah, that. Like all
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these characters, but we haven't Scene. And it's
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just. It's. It's interesting in the final
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season how they
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arguably had made it a point to
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really zero in on the Kent family
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and that nuclear unit and
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start very small as they
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watch. And then it seems like over the course of the
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episodes, they're bringing back the ensemble
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that was to say the final goodbye.
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Will: Yeah, yeah, agreed. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah. This episode, you're right. Totally. After
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what we. The sacrifice that we saw
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Sam and then also, you know, Clark
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regaining his powers and stuff. I mean, I know they were trying to do
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that, I guess, ease back a B
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story in it, but I just felt like they were like. I guess it was that.
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I guess the A story was like you said, they're
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bringing certain, you know, they're bringing some of the ensemble back. So it is
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Chrissy and Kyle and their wedding and the
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dynamics there with, you know, Christy and her
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mom and lessons learned. But.
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And then as far as, you know, her get, you
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know, the runaway bride thing that they had
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going going on there. But again, you
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know, but. But they always do, again, tie it back to the
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Kents, and Clark and
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Lois helping both. Helping them
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try to get through these issues. You know, having
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the. You know, having a wedding at the. At the barn. you
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know, things just conveniently, like, fall apart so that
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they can have it at the barn. And,
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what, I did like about the episode four was with getting
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with. With Clark. you know,
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and to your point about. From episode three, with
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stakes and ramifications for things that
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happen, him having to learn, you know,
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about, his limitations at this
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point, given he does have a 60 year old man's heart in
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his chest. you know, I
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thought that was very effective as far as how they wove that in
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there and also how they, you know, brought up about
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the scars again and you know, and we saw
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Lois having enough, I don't know, I couldn't, I wasn't sure
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if her, if this was her finishing her
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cancer treatment or it was just another
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round of it. But you know, they, they
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did pick up on that theme of like, look, you know, we're all, we,
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we're all, we've all suffered and we've all, you know, we're
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all trying to heal from something. So.
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It's just like, you know,
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with, with this forced, you know, with this hurried wedding.
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She's just like, you know, emotionally, I, I gotta grow a little bit
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before I'm ready to like, commit to, to that. So let's just
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take it slow. So, I mean, so those, I guess those are some of the
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three lines, I guess that was sort of working their way through
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the. Whereas Jonathan was just like, I'm full
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speed ahead until he like, you know, got into
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that warehouse. And you
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know, even he was not, you know, he showed that he
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still has, even though he's in many ways
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got it ahead of Jordan
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was as far as where he is with the powers. It also still
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reinforces the fact that, hey, you know, you still, you still have a lot to
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learn. whenever he was taken, down by the, by that guy who
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was trying to kill Sam's
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ex girlfriend.
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Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Kidnapped her.
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Will: Yeah.
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Sarah : Enemy.
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Will: Yeah.
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Sarah : all right, well, that is it for Superman
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and Lois. And that brings us to the big
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topic, Dune prophecy with episode one, the
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Hidden Hand. Okay, now,
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okay, disclaimer, disclaimer alert. Because
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this is a science fiction show
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fantasy. There's going to be a lot of words and
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names that I'm going to mispronounce. We're just going to
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accept and move on, okay?
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I can't retain all of the names and
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the planets and all of this stuff, okay?
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On Wallach 4.
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Will: Wallach none.
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Sarah : Whatever. On a
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planet in a galaxy far, far away,
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young Valia Harkonnen promises Mother
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Superior Raquel that she'll protect the
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Sisterhood by putting one of their own on the
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Imperial throne. Thirty years later, later,
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Valia faces a threat to her long
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awaited plan. I am so glad I did not read
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that before watching the episode because
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honestly, that is a great distillment
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of Basically what happens,
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even though,
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like, that's. That's honestly the overall
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blueprint of the episode, they have to
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set up the world, set up the history of the
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world and drop a
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whole lot of exposition. And,
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And I, I like this
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episode. It's not my favorite pilot
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episode I've ever Scene.
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I think it, honestly fell a little
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flat in terms of just.
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because they used. They used a lot of narration
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and you. They.
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But simultaneously,
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I understood a lot more about the
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world of Dune in this one
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episode than I have watching either of the
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movies now. I will
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admit. I will admit having watched both of
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the movies, I, was surprised at
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how many names I did recognize and how many
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things. Like, I know the Harkonnens are the bad guys in the new
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movie. Okay? Like, so. So as soon
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as we. We establish that valley as our
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protagonist, quote, unquote. I don't know if
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protagonist is a strong word these days,
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but I was like,
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ooh, and she's a
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Harkonnen. That's interesting. So
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we're following this trend. Well, I don't know what
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it is about this year and
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the antagonist
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stories that we're getting.
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the villain of it all.
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but I. They had
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a. They had a lot to do. I think they.
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It was very efficient
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episode.
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Will: Yeah.
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Sarah : but what are, what are some of your thoughts about it,
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Will?
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Will: Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think this. So this
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show. I'm intrigued. And I was.
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I think I said that whatever, you know,
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was the word I use whenever Sunday night when I message
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you. I think we both finished watching it at the same time.
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And, And you're right. I mean it. The.
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They do establish the world very
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well as far as with the Machine wars and
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stuff. And, you know, and how. I can't remember the
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name of. You know, basically it was. The thinking machines
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were, defeated. You know, to your point.
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frame it with the Hark Evans and
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also the Atreides, and basically,
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like, they painted the picture as such.
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Like, even though, you know, the Tradies
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basically, set up the Harkovans
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as. As enemies and traitors.
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But, you know, but, you know, here's. You know,
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I'm the narrator here. As far as Valia, you know, the adult
502
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Valia, talking about her story and her family story, we're going to
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set. We're going to set the record straight here. And I can't remember
504
00:23:39,093 --> 00:23:41,965
the. I'm trying to Remember how they, the quotes,
505
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there at the very beginning of the. Of the episode.
506
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but. But. Yeah, so they set that up.
507
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You know, I felt like it was a
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pilot of, like, two
509
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vibes. Because I
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honestly, with all, you know, all
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the exposition and stuff at the very beginning, it. It was
512
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very dense and. And I
513
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felt very. Whereas it was.
514
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It really let lean into that. You know, some
515
00:24:11,471 --> 00:24:14,343
people say the Dune universe is the thing, you
516
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,915
know, for the thinking man, Star wars
517
00:24:17,255 --> 00:24:20,229
universe. And it really leaned into that. it
518
00:24:20,237 --> 00:24:22,741
was. It did set things
519
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up. But I will say the second
520
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half of the episode, when we, you know, we
521
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get 30 years, you know, we have the time. Jump, Salu,
522
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Surrender, whatever the name of the planet is, where the
523
00:24:34,405 --> 00:24:37,397
Mark Strong's character is. The, is
524
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the emperor for the Imperium.
525
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I felt that things really. For me, that was when
526
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I was like, okay, now I'm getting into it. because
527
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I just felt the color. I don't know if it was just the colors were
528
00:24:49,437 --> 00:24:52,357
more bright compared to the starkness of the
529
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sisterhood. and all the exposition that was done
530
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at the beginning, it just. I mean, it was. I
531
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wasn't. I was. I was like, when are things going to
532
00:25:01,195 --> 00:25:04,131
happen? Because everybody was telling me what's going on, but I was
533
00:25:04,163 --> 00:25:07,091
like, when are we going to actually show
534
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me something or show it going on? It was a lot of telling instead
535
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of showing.
536
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Sarah : Right, right. I. So for
537
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me, I completely agree with you. Like, and that's why
538
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I said it fell flat. because. And they took a
539
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,640
safe route of telling us what has
540
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happened, what is happening, and to
541
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get it, and then while
542
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simultaneously letting
543
00:25:30,754 --> 00:25:33,674
you in on, like. Because I didn't
544
00:25:33,714 --> 00:25:36,186
really pick up on it until the end,
545
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like, how
546
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this. This is the plan, with
547
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Princess. But before we even get into all of that,
548
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for me, I was really.
549
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I was with you. And then. And then the
550
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moment she used what I believe is called the Voice.
551
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Will: Yeah.
552
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Sarah : which it seems like
553
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that was a new thing that had never
554
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been done in the sisterhood until Valia did
555
00:26:04,153 --> 00:26:06,857
it in that moment. And she had been
556
00:26:06,913 --> 00:26:09,721
practicing, which I was like, that. That
557
00:26:09,745 --> 00:26:12,417
is intriguing that she was the one
558
00:26:12,473 --> 00:26:15,031
who, like, created. Because that's a big
559
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thing 10,000 years
560
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later.
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Will: Yes.
562
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Sarah : Oh, and you can see it when
563
00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:24,447
they do the chime, but jump. But she not only
564
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uses it, but then she has
565
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Dorita kill herself.
566
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And in that moment, I was like, yep,
567
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this is, Yep, I'm on
568
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board. You're going to kill.
569
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They. They book in that, with the
570
00:26:42,025 --> 00:26:44,969
murders at the end of the episode, and you're just
571
00:26:45,009 --> 00:26:47,945
like, okay, yeah, House of Dragon,
572
00:26:48,017 --> 00:26:50,593
it's. It's on hold right now. So we got Dune
573
00:26:50,641 --> 00:26:51,589
prophecy.
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Will: Yeah. It's like, what's still saying. You have my
575
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attention. You have my curiosity. Now you know? You
576
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know? Now you have my attention.
577
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Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. and. And I.
578
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I also just. Despite
579
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it. Despite it all, I
580
00:27:08,901 --> 00:27:11,637
still am not
581
00:27:11,693 --> 00:27:14,613
entirely sure I 100% understand what
582
00:27:14,661 --> 00:27:17,409
true saying is, but
583
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I don't think I need to know,
584
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because
585
00:27:24,069 --> 00:27:27,005
at the end of the day, the
586
00:27:27,037 --> 00:27:28,769
way it's being used
587
00:27:30,239 --> 00:27:32,847
is what's important to understand
588
00:27:32,983 --> 00:27:35,687
and how, whatever power
589
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or not power they possess,
590
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the, Sisterhood has
591
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been able to maneuver themselves under
592
00:27:44,873 --> 00:27:47,745
Valia's command into this position
593
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where the rulers are
594
00:27:50,441 --> 00:27:53,313
relying on them. Because you see it
595
00:27:53,401 --> 00:27:55,039
the moment, Emperor
596
00:27:55,899 --> 00:27:58,811
Corrino doesn't have Kasha,
597
00:27:58,995 --> 00:28:01,355
that's. He becomes so much more
598
00:28:01,427 --> 00:28:02,147
vulnerable.
599
00:28:02,283 --> 00:28:02,643
Will: Yeah.
600
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Sarah : For the rest of the episode. And it. And it's. And
601
00:28:05,515 --> 00:28:08,203
it's very interesting to me how that,
602
00:28:08,291 --> 00:28:11,107
like, it's only been a few days, and yet
603
00:28:11,203 --> 00:28:13,819
you can see, like, the way
604
00:28:13,859 --> 00:28:16,451
Desmond sees it, that, oh,
605
00:28:16,595 --> 00:28:19,483
he's alone, not under the influence.
606
00:28:19,651 --> 00:28:22,115
Now is the time to plant other
607
00:28:22,187 --> 00:28:24,859
ideas inside this man's head.
608
00:28:24,939 --> 00:28:26,279
And so
609
00:28:28,339 --> 00:28:30,867
the idea that it's really these
610
00:28:30,923 --> 00:28:33,718
words, it's just. That's very
611
00:28:33,806 --> 00:28:36,334
intriguing of how they did
612
00:28:36,374 --> 00:28:39,044
that. a lot of great stuff from Desmond
613
00:28:39,084 --> 00:28:39,784
Hart.
614
00:28:42,194 --> 00:28:45,064
so. So. So we get. We get the
615
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time jump 30 years later.
616
00:28:48,152 --> 00:28:51,024
I like how then they make it a point 10,000 years
617
00:28:51,104 --> 00:28:53,272
before Paul's even born.
618
00:28:53,408 --> 00:28:53,904
Will: Yep.
619
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Sarah : Like, make no mistake.
620
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Will: No mistake. Yeah. Yep. For you Doom
621
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Casuals like us, you know, we. We're not deep in the
622
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,600
lore, so. But, yeah, we're helping to frame
623
00:29:04,632 --> 00:29:05,368
it for. For.
624
00:29:05,416 --> 00:29:08,328
Sarah : For the Casuals, it
625
00:29:08,336 --> 00:29:11,136
is. It is a small little nod
626
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,858
at, Right when we're introduced to the
627
00:29:13,906 --> 00:29:15,970
older Valya. Ah. And the
628
00:29:16,002 --> 00:29:18,906
Sisterhood, because there's a mention
629
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of the Harkonnens wanting a true sayer
630
00:29:21,810 --> 00:29:24,282
for the fourth time and her denying them,
631
00:29:24,418 --> 00:29:27,214
which. So the Harkonnens were
632
00:29:28,314 --> 00:29:31,042
cast the shadows, but seem
633
00:29:31,098 --> 00:29:33,954
to have also been getting their
634
00:29:33,994 --> 00:29:36,294
way back. But she's holding.
635
00:29:36,924 --> 00:29:39,788
Not allowing them completely in. So we'll see where
636
00:29:39,876 --> 00:29:42,844
what that seed blooms into later on in the
637
00:29:42,884 --> 00:29:45,464
show. we get
638
00:29:45,504 --> 00:29:47,632
introduced to the
639
00:29:47,688 --> 00:29:50,496
princess and also her
640
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,844
half brother Constantine.
641
00:29:53,224 --> 00:29:55,664
Constantine. Okay, so,
642
00:29:55,744 --> 00:29:58,624
listeners, homework. Tell me
643
00:29:58,664 --> 00:30:00,524
where I've Scene this man before.
644
00:30:01,904 --> 00:30:04,876
I did the IMDb search about towards
645
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:07,790
the end of the episode. I'm like, I've had It, I cannot place. I've
646
00:30:07,814 --> 00:30:10,590
Scene this face. I've Scene this face. So maybe
647
00:30:10,654 --> 00:30:13,318
it's not so much where I've Scene him,
648
00:30:13,398 --> 00:30:16,190
but who is his doppelganger? Because there's
649
00:30:16,254 --> 00:30:19,230
someone. There's an actor. He looks so
650
00:30:19,254 --> 00:30:22,046
much alike. And I cannot put my name. I get finger
651
00:30:22,102 --> 00:30:24,974
on it. It was driving me crazy. Anytime he was
652
00:30:25,006 --> 00:30:25,798
on the screen.
653
00:30:25,918 --> 00:30:28,910
Will: Oh, you know that I had the same. I had the
654
00:30:28,934 --> 00:30:31,716
same reaction because I was like, I know this kid from somewhere.
655
00:30:31,812 --> 00:30:34,698
But where? Yeah. I mean, maybe I see that. I don't know.
656
00:30:34,818 --> 00:30:37,570
You know, I've Scene some of. Some of the pieces out there
657
00:30:37,634 --> 00:30:40,634
that says, you know, you got the older cast and you got the younger
658
00:30:40,666 --> 00:30:43,562
cast that could easily, like, you know, be on a CW show.
659
00:30:43,610 --> 00:30:46,438
So maybe that's where I felt. So for m. Somewhere.
660
00:30:47,178 --> 00:30:50,010
Sarah : Maybe. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. There
661
00:30:50,034 --> 00:30:52,970
is. And maybe it's true. There's something about a
662
00:30:52,994 --> 00:30:55,858
swagger. Really charming, very intrigued
663
00:30:55,898 --> 00:30:58,810
what they're going to do with him, because it's. It's
664
00:30:58,954 --> 00:31:01,774
made, very quickly clear he has no rights to the
665
00:31:01,806 --> 00:31:04,742
throne. Clearly loves his sister, his
666
00:31:04,790 --> 00:31:07,594
half sister, but is clearly a
667
00:31:07,626 --> 00:31:09,838
playboy who loves the spice.
668
00:31:10,138 --> 00:31:10,958
Will: Yep.
669
00:31:12,138 --> 00:31:13,158
Sarah : Or whatever.
670
00:31:14,058 --> 00:31:16,690
Will: Yes, definitely loves the spice.
671
00:31:16,834 --> 00:31:19,738
Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. But I feel like they're
672
00:31:19,778 --> 00:31:22,198
setting him up for something, so
673
00:31:22,538 --> 00:31:24,198
I'm intrigued with him.
674
00:31:25,478 --> 00:31:28,390
and so what
675
00:31:28,414 --> 00:31:31,118
are your thoughts on Yanez, the
676
00:31:31,158 --> 00:31:31,938
princess?
677
00:31:32,438 --> 00:31:35,366
Will: Yeah, I like that character.
678
00:31:35,542 --> 00:31:38,534
I really did. I mean, I think, you know, she. You know, we're first
679
00:31:38,566 --> 00:31:41,375
introduced to her. she's sparring, you know,
680
00:31:41,439 --> 00:31:44,071
well, we learn about. From her brother to try
681
00:31:44,127 --> 00:31:46,679
to get her into the
682
00:31:46,751 --> 00:31:48,653
sisterhood, again, just.
683
00:31:49,153 --> 00:31:51,969
And, you know, to basically hatch the
684
00:31:52,001 --> 00:31:53,013
scheme of
685
00:31:54,513 --> 00:31:57,361
Valia eventually. You know, having someone
686
00:31:57,417 --> 00:32:00,328
at all the great houses. no, I think.
687
00:32:00,408 --> 00:32:03,368
Sarah : I don't think that's the scheme. It's not about. Have.
688
00:32:03,448 --> 00:32:06,048
They. Have. They already have someone in all of the
689
00:32:06,088 --> 00:32:08,952
great. It's more about one of their
690
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,416
own on the throne.
691
00:32:10,512 --> 00:32:13,420
Will: On the throne. Yeah. Yeah, that's what. Yeah, thanks for correcting me
692
00:32:13,444 --> 00:32:16,172
there. Yeah, that. That's. That's. Yeah. And. And of course,
693
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:19,260
you know, maneuvering the wedding between the
694
00:32:19,284 --> 00:32:21,804
two houses to. To. To. To
695
00:32:21,916 --> 00:32:24,884
strengthen their. I guess, their claim
696
00:32:24,916 --> 00:32:25,888
to the throne.
697
00:32:27,958 --> 00:32:30,782
as far as, like, well, using. Using that because, I mean, I
698
00:32:30,790 --> 00:32:33,686
guess the emperors. He's weakened because of
699
00:32:33,702 --> 00:32:36,694
the war, I guess, all the wars and stuff. So he, you know, he needed
700
00:32:36,726 --> 00:32:39,622
that fleet from the Pruitt's family to.
701
00:32:39,670 --> 00:32:42,366
To be able to strengthen his. You Know,
702
00:32:42,502 --> 00:32:44,738
basically just to strengthen his
703
00:32:45,718 --> 00:32:48,654
hold on the Imperium so that you know and
704
00:32:48,686 --> 00:32:51,326
as can you follow through
705
00:32:51,382 --> 00:32:53,580
with the plan like you just said to have the
706
00:32:53,604 --> 00:32:56,048
sisterhood sitting. Sitting
707
00:32:56,348 --> 00:32:57,404
on the throne.
708
00:32:57,596 --> 00:33:00,448
Sarah : Yeah. So
709
00:33:00,828 --> 00:33:03,128
it's all about the spice which
710
00:33:03,428 --> 00:33:06,164
is only on a
711
00:33:06,196 --> 00:33:07,808
trach. A Takis.
712
00:33:08,347 --> 00:33:09,163
Will: Arrakis.
713
00:33:09,275 --> 00:33:12,043
Sarah : Arrakis. Okay. I was like there sounds like as a
714
00:33:12,075 --> 00:33:13,891
T and R. Arrakis.
715
00:33:14,019 --> 00:33:14,355
Will: Yeah.
716
00:33:14,411 --> 00:33:17,369
Sarah : On Arrakis is a spice, planet very hard to
717
00:33:17,393 --> 00:33:19,957
control because of the worms. So.
718
00:33:20,497 --> 00:33:23,433
So you have. And the Freeman who are
719
00:33:23,465 --> 00:33:25,953
also name dropped in the episode as well.
720
00:33:26,105 --> 00:33:26,643
Will: Yep.
721
00:33:26,643 --> 00:33:29,591
Sarah : this is 10,000 years before Zendaya is born
722
00:33:29,639 --> 00:33:30,387
as well.
723
00:33:34,487 --> 00:33:37,327
Will: And we had a name drop to the Atreides because Kyrian
724
00:33:37,447 --> 00:33:40,355
is the Swordmaster that teach is Inez as well.
725
00:33:40,411 --> 00:33:42,955
So you know, so we have every. All the players are there.
726
00:33:43,091 --> 00:33:46,067
Sarah : Yeah. Which I thought was weird. I was like,
727
00:33:46,107 --> 00:33:49,035
why isn't Atreides the Sword Master that. What.
728
00:33:49,091 --> 00:33:51,995
What happened? I thought they. I thought they were the victors
729
00:33:52,051 --> 00:33:54,475
of the war against. But we'll find out about
730
00:33:54,531 --> 00:33:57,489
how the the current family,
731
00:33:57,439 --> 00:33:59,967
got to power, I'm sure along the way.
732
00:34:00,135 --> 00:34:03,083
But. But yeah. So it's
733
00:34:04,234 --> 00:34:07,054
to show his military weakness.
734
00:34:07,674 --> 00:34:10,418
They're exploiting it by saying. So
735
00:34:10,466 --> 00:34:13,266
you need a fleet that can help you defend
736
00:34:13,330 --> 00:34:16,274
and protect the spice and the wealth of the
737
00:34:16,314 --> 00:34:18,494
Imperium. So
738
00:34:19,634 --> 00:34:22,178
the only match you can have
739
00:34:22,346 --> 00:34:24,738
is a 9 year old boy for your
740
00:34:24,786 --> 00:34:27,562
daughter. So while
741
00:34:27,618 --> 00:34:30,344
he's coming of age, why don't you just
742
00:34:30,384 --> 00:34:33,000
send her away after they're married
743
00:34:33,152 --> 00:34:35,064
and then we can teach her all about this
744
00:34:35,104 --> 00:34:36,444
witchcraft.
745
00:34:36,784 --> 00:34:37,564
Will: Yep.
746
00:34:39,584 --> 00:34:41,968
Sarah : Which. And what I
747
00:34:42,136 --> 00:34:43,484
really enjoyed.
748
00:34:46,229 --> 00:34:48,661
the Empress who clearly
749
00:34:48,725 --> 00:34:51,429
has not been on
750
00:34:51,469 --> 00:34:54,029
board with this since day one,
751
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:55,709
but also
752
00:34:56,529 --> 00:34:59,441
acknowledges that this
753
00:34:59,465 --> 00:35:02,177
was part of the deal because
754
00:35:02,273 --> 00:35:05,217
there are some suggestions about deals for their
755
00:35:05,273 --> 00:35:07,609
own union and her own
756
00:35:07,689 --> 00:35:10,217
power. And though
757
00:35:10,353 --> 00:35:12,909
I didn't really make a note of this,
758
00:35:13,369 --> 00:35:16,113
but one of the
759
00:35:16,161 --> 00:35:18,625
scenes that really sticks out to
760
00:35:18,657 --> 00:35:21,229
me and makes me wonder
761
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:23,911
about what it means for the future
762
00:35:23,975 --> 00:35:26,855
episodes is when
763
00:35:26,967 --> 00:35:29,099
Yanez is talking to her mom
764
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,485
and they and kind
765
00:35:32,517 --> 00:35:35,221
of says, you're not. You're not the
766
00:35:35,245 --> 00:35:38,101
only one who negotiated this. I'm getting
767
00:35:38,165 --> 00:35:39,729
exactly what I wanted.
768
00:35:42,189 --> 00:35:45,011
I, So I as I
769
00:35:45,035 --> 00:35:47,987
would like to understand what was the negotiation and
770
00:35:48,003 --> 00:35:49,759
what did you give up? Because
771
00:35:50,969 --> 00:35:53,649
20 minutes later I see this horrific
772
00:35:53,729 --> 00:35:56,625
dream. Yeah girl, I don't think you got
773
00:35:56,657 --> 00:35:59,305
what you wanted. I don't think it's going to go that
774
00:35:59,337 --> 00:36:01,949
way. So I need to understand
775
00:36:02,289 --> 00:36:05,065
because. So it's just. I thought that
776
00:36:05,097 --> 00:36:08,065
was. I There. There's something about the way she says
777
00:36:08,097 --> 00:36:10,953
it and how her mom responds
778
00:36:11,001 --> 00:36:12,829
or doesn't really respond,
779
00:36:13,489 --> 00:36:16,225
but how they interacted in
780
00:36:16,257 --> 00:36:18,509
that moment that. Where I'm like, ooh.
781
00:36:18,949 --> 00:36:21,781
So there. There's a lot of women who
782
00:36:21,805 --> 00:36:24,549
are really pulling a lot of strings
783
00:36:24,669 --> 00:36:27,333
throughout the entire episode. And
784
00:36:27,421 --> 00:36:29,677
they're not all necessarily true
785
00:36:29,733 --> 00:36:30,589
stars.
786
00:36:30,749 --> 00:36:33,437
Will: No, m. No, they're not. They're not. But.
787
00:36:33,533 --> 00:36:36,234
Yeah, but it's. It's a. It's a. Interestingly,
788
00:36:37,261 --> 00:36:39,877
like, mostly
789
00:36:40,053 --> 00:36:42,997
like with the Sisterhood is. You know, it is. I guess it is a matriarchal,
790
00:36:43,133 --> 00:36:46,041
like, yeah. Society as far as
791
00:36:46,065 --> 00:36:47,149
that. I mean, I know
792
00:36:48,889 --> 00:36:51,761
at least. At least in the Imperium, right.
793
00:36:51,865 --> 00:36:54,761
Right now and even. I guess even down the
794
00:36:54,785 --> 00:36:57,524
line, too. I mean, because the, you know, whenever the,
795
00:36:57,474 --> 00:36:59,889
Bene Gesserit, are,
796
00:37:00,749 --> 00:37:03,637
you know, it. But the sisters goes by that name
797
00:37:03,693 --> 00:37:06,421
10,000 years later. I mean, they're, you know, they're clearly
798
00:37:06,605 --> 00:37:09,157
the. The influence
799
00:37:09,213 --> 00:37:11,809
and. And have
800
00:37:12,629 --> 00:37:15,373
big roles in
801
00:37:15,541 --> 00:37:17,915
the Imperium, which, you know, so we do know that
802
00:37:17,947 --> 00:37:20,883
Vaga is somewhat successful in her
803
00:37:20,931 --> 00:37:23,875
plan, and we're just sort of learning how that all unfolds
804
00:37:23,907 --> 00:37:26,863
here. but, yeah, that
805
00:37:26,871 --> 00:37:29,743
was one of the things. I definitely was really struck by the series
806
00:37:29,791 --> 00:37:32,059
and I'm glad you brought up the Empress. And
807
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:35,289
also just, you know, how the
808
00:37:35,329 --> 00:37:37,889
relationship she has with the emperor and. And how,
809
00:37:37,929 --> 00:37:40,921
like, to that point, too, it's like when
810
00:37:40,945 --> 00:37:43,681
Kesha was. Was. Was
811
00:37:43,865 --> 00:37:46,744
Went back to Wallach, and how quickly he,
812
00:37:46,784 --> 00:37:49,376
you know, he was. He was just like a floundering fish. And
813
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,200
Desmond did come in there and take advantage of it because he
814
00:37:52,232 --> 00:37:55,144
is, you know, is. Is such a. A
815
00:37:55,184 --> 00:37:57,892
weak, Weak leader, that he, you
816
00:37:57,908 --> 00:38:00,874
know, that he just can't function without having. Having
817
00:38:00,914 --> 00:38:03,376
that truthsayer counselor. and
818
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,392
also, even whenever Desmond was first introduced and
819
00:38:06,408 --> 00:38:08,856
Kesha was there, you know, to your point about the
820
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,687
Truthsayers, and their powers, you
821
00:38:11,703 --> 00:38:14,351
know, it. I like the way that they described
822
00:38:14,375 --> 00:38:17,327
it. She was like, he is telling the truth or
823
00:38:17,343 --> 00:38:20,215
what he perceives to be the truth. You know, so.
824
00:38:20,327 --> 00:38:22,939
So there's still some. So there's still not like.
825
00:38:23,769 --> 00:38:26,569
There's still some ambiguity there as far as, like,
826
00:38:26,609 --> 00:38:29,547
what the actual truth is in the situation. and I think
827
00:38:29,563 --> 00:38:32,539
that goes back to sort of the. You know what. I can't remember
828
00:38:32,579 --> 00:38:34,779
the exact quote, but, like, you know, it's the history of
829
00:38:34,819 --> 00:38:37,455
prophecy, as far
830
00:38:37,487 --> 00:38:39,109
as, things to come,
831
00:38:40,649 --> 00:38:43,489
you know, it's a good little tie
832
00:38:43,529 --> 00:38:46,357
in. Back to that with this. With with
833
00:38:46,453 --> 00:38:48,489
how true saying is
834
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:50,459
in this universe.
835
00:38:50,839 --> 00:38:53,579
Sarah : Right? Yeah, absolutely. Like
836
00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:57,047
that. That in religion.
837
00:38:57,143 --> 00:38:59,423
Like the religion.
838
00:38:59,591 --> 00:39:02,159
Religious allegory that even Desmond
839
00:39:02,279 --> 00:39:04,859
brings up in his conversation with
840
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:07,629
Corino, about how,
841
00:39:08,164 --> 00:39:11,131
he believes in the gods. And
842
00:39:11,155 --> 00:39:14,131
then Corino says, well, if you can get us out of
843
00:39:14,155 --> 00:39:17,119
this wedding, then it'll
844
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:19,751
make me a believer. And I didn't know it in that
845
00:39:19,815 --> 00:39:22,059
instance. Like, oh, okay,
846
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,695
because. Because I guess I was like,
847
00:39:25,727 --> 00:39:28,535
okay, so that'll be episode two. No,
848
00:39:28,607 --> 00:39:31,575
no, @ the very end of this episode. And he does some
849
00:39:31,607 --> 00:39:32,619
kid killing.
850
00:39:34,149 --> 00:39:36,729
but it's just such a good,
851
00:39:37,484 --> 00:39:39,799
way to think about it because to an extent,
852
00:39:41,229 --> 00:39:44,170
by having a true, Say, or you are
853
00:39:44,234 --> 00:39:46,978
believing in something other than
854
00:39:47,018 --> 00:39:49,490
yourself. And
855
00:39:49,634 --> 00:39:52,562
also Desmond brings up how, like,
856
00:39:52,610 --> 00:39:55,038
we got rid of the thinking machines,
857
00:39:55,458 --> 00:39:57,906
and yet there are people still
858
00:39:58,082 --> 00:40:00,664
openly pulling, the strings
859
00:40:00,776 --> 00:40:03,776
and that hidden hand. And I
860
00:40:03,792 --> 00:40:06,598
thought I was like, that's just. That's just brilliant. Like,
861
00:40:06,678 --> 00:40:09,534
yeah, you. You may think, like, you've
862
00:40:09,566 --> 00:40:12,454
got freedom and everything, but you're still very
863
00:40:12,486 --> 00:40:15,094
much over. Under the
864
00:40:15,166 --> 00:40:17,798
rule and control of something else.
865
00:40:17,878 --> 00:40:20,588
Someone else, and what they believe
866
00:40:21,128 --> 00:40:23,984
should happen. And. And to go to back to your
867
00:40:24,016 --> 00:40:26,548
point about the history versus the prophecy,
868
00:40:27,608 --> 00:40:30,208
I like. I like that whole
869
00:40:30,248 --> 00:40:32,508
exchange between Valia
870
00:40:32,948 --> 00:40:34,922
and, Who's her number two?
871
00:40:35,050 --> 00:40:36,826
Will: Her sister, Tula.
872
00:40:36,962 --> 00:40:38,958
Sarah : Tula. Yeah.
873
00:40:39,378 --> 00:40:41,678
And about. Like,
874
00:40:43,298 --> 00:40:46,218
we're supposed to guide them down the road. No, we're
875
00:40:46,258 --> 00:40:47,998
supposed to make it for them.
876
00:40:49,258 --> 00:40:52,154
Like, there's a difference. It's a subtle difference, but
877
00:40:52,186 --> 00:40:54,914
there is a. Very much like, you
878
00:40:54,946 --> 00:40:57,198
either guide them down the road,
879
00:40:57,878 --> 00:41:00,487
but the moment you, start to make the
880
00:41:00,623 --> 00:41:03,287
road, then you are playing
881
00:41:03,383 --> 00:41:06,319
God. You are playing something bigger
882
00:41:06,359 --> 00:41:08,709
than yourself. which
883
00:41:08,869 --> 00:41:11,489
honestly goes back to Rita.
884
00:41:11,924 --> 00:41:14,869
Ah. And how, like, yeah, maybe we
885
00:41:14,909 --> 00:41:17,827
shouldn't, breed the rulers and
886
00:41:18,003 --> 00:41:20,843
store, like, sperm and eggs
887
00:41:21,011 --> 00:41:23,525
to make sure. Like, maybe this is a good
888
00:41:23,557 --> 00:41:26,389
idea and just to devise this way of
889
00:41:26,429 --> 00:41:28,529
being matchmakers. So,
890
00:41:30,789 --> 00:41:33,765
yeah, yeah, yeah. But. But
891
00:41:33,837 --> 00:41:36,669
okay, so. So. So
892
00:41:36,709 --> 00:41:39,309
Lord Pruitt goes out
893
00:41:39,429 --> 00:41:42,293
and has, his little thinking machine
894
00:41:42,421 --> 00:41:45,375
still with him. Another one, I guess, because
895
00:41:45,447 --> 00:41:48,291
the other one he had during the wedding gets destroyed.
896
00:41:48,455 --> 00:41:50,811
And that's when Desmond comes out and
897
00:41:50,875 --> 00:41:53,245
he, for all intents and purposes,
898
00:41:53,397 --> 00:41:56,249
burns the boy from the inside out.
899
00:41:56,749 --> 00:41:59,269
Simultaneously, we go back to
900
00:41:59,309 --> 00:42:01,169
Wellick, where we see,
901
00:42:01,264 --> 00:42:03,752
Kasha experiencing the same
902
00:42:03,808 --> 00:42:04,924
horrific death.
903
00:42:06,904 --> 00:42:09,304
It's such a good ending because, yeah, it's
904
00:42:09,344 --> 00:42:12,072
horrifying, but it's also just
905
00:42:12,128 --> 00:42:14,814
like, well, now I need to understand.
906
00:42:15,234 --> 00:42:18,146
Will: Yeah, yeah. And the thing is, like,
907
00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:21,138
you know, to the prophecy versus history and all that kind
908
00:42:21,146 --> 00:42:23,914
of stuff. You know, earlier, you know, we. We saw the
909
00:42:23,954 --> 00:42:26,448
visions of. I think with, the Mother
910
00:42:26,496 --> 00:42:29,480
Superior, didn't she. Was it. Does she have a
911
00:42:29,512 --> 00:42:32,432
vision of the burning, or was it somebody else that had
912
00:42:32,448 --> 00:42:35,392
the vision of the other, or was it Inez that
913
00:42:35,408 --> 00:42:36,324
had the vision?
914
00:42:36,499 --> 00:42:39,328
Sarah : I think. I think they both. Yeah, they both
915
00:42:39,376 --> 00:42:42,168
did. Inez didn't have a vision of Bernie.
916
00:42:42,296 --> 00:42:45,256
Will: Okay, okay. Maybe who was. No, no. Oh, no. It's
917
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,280
Kesha who had the earlier vision. Is that why she
918
00:42:48,312 --> 00:42:50,576
went back? I'm trying to remember.
919
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,126
Sarah : Asha had a vision, where
920
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:55,474
Yanez was in her wedding dress
921
00:42:56,414 --> 00:42:59,302
and hanging upside down and was being
922
00:42:59,358 --> 00:43:02,094
pulled in by what
923
00:43:02,134 --> 00:43:03,966
looked like a warm.
924
00:43:04,110 --> 00:43:05,014
Will: That's right. That's right.
925
00:43:05,094 --> 00:43:08,014
Sarah : And. And she. And Inez was yelling
926
00:43:08,054 --> 00:43:10,574
at her, you did this. You did
927
00:43:10,614 --> 00:43:13,350
this. Yeah, and. And also
928
00:43:13,502 --> 00:43:16,310
the. The pomegranate. There were worms
929
00:43:16,382 --> 00:43:19,246
inside of it, and there might have been some burning. But
930
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:22,110
I do think you're. What you're referring to is more aligned
931
00:43:22,142 --> 00:43:24,019
with the. The,
932
00:43:25,784 --> 00:43:28,533
The. I, don't
933
00:43:28,549 --> 00:43:30,190
know that. The,
934
00:43:31,785 --> 00:43:34,153
What? Whatever. Raquel sees and.
935
00:43:34,209 --> 00:43:37,002
Will: Yeah, that's it. Yeah, it is Raquel. Yeah. Raquel sees that. Yeah,
936
00:43:37,050 --> 00:43:38,706
because she saws. Yeah.
937
00:43:38,802 --> 00:43:41,274
Sarah : And she talks about an acolyte. Yeah,
938
00:43:41,386 --> 00:43:44,098
right. Someone that comes in to destroy the
939
00:43:44,138 --> 00:43:47,098
plan. Yeah, yeah. And. And
940
00:43:47,138 --> 00:43:50,002
that's. That seems to be Desmond,
941
00:43:50,170 --> 00:43:52,678
but he's interesting because
942
00:43:54,458 --> 00:43:57,322
he's not a truth sayer, but he
943
00:43:57,370 --> 00:43:59,998
clearly has some sort of powers
944
00:44:00,738 --> 00:44:03,442
that might have been attributed to some
945
00:44:03,490 --> 00:44:06,238
spice, so. Yeah, yeah,
946
00:44:06,578 --> 00:44:09,346
yeah. So we don't. We don't really know what his
947
00:44:09,402 --> 00:44:10,558
intent is.
948
00:44:12,458 --> 00:44:15,098
but. And. And. And then
949
00:44:15,218 --> 00:44:16,042
like. And.
950
00:44:16,130 --> 00:44:18,546
Will: And the other thing, too, with him, too, is like, you know,
951
00:44:18,602 --> 00:44:20,828
whenever, Corio
952
00:44:21,168 --> 00:44:23,833
Corrino watches that, there's,
953
00:44:24,076 --> 00:44:24,648
The,
954
00:44:25,353 --> 00:44:25,684
Sarah : Video.
955
00:44:25,756 --> 00:44:28,644
Will: Yeah, the video. Yeah. And, you know, we see him. We see
956
00:44:28,676 --> 00:44:31,676
him on Arrakis, and right before, you know, we see
957
00:44:31,692 --> 00:44:34,524
the. The sand worms coming, you know,
958
00:44:34,676 --> 00:44:37,436
so all. You know, so how does that. I
959
00:44:37,452 --> 00:44:40,388
mean, how does that video play into all.
960
00:44:40,468 --> 00:44:43,380
You know, into his powers? You know, like you
961
00:44:43,404 --> 00:44:46,380
said, with the spice and everything else. So, I mean, you know,
962
00:44:46,404 --> 00:44:49,180
they, That's what I was saying earlier this episode.
963
00:44:49,334 --> 00:44:51,864
You know, it started out a lot of
964
00:44:51,936 --> 00:44:54,560
just exposition dump, but
965
00:44:54,664 --> 00:44:57,584
whenever it did have the time jumping and really
966
00:44:57,616 --> 00:45:00,472
did get into. On the. On the planet, things really did.
967
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,200
You know, especially when I think from. Really from when
968
00:45:03,304 --> 00:45:06,216
Reno and Desmond meet, things really just sort of
969
00:45:06,232 --> 00:45:07,384
take off from there.
970
00:45:07,576 --> 00:45:10,400
Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. They.
971
00:45:10,584 --> 00:45:13,344
I. I mean,
972
00:45:13,456 --> 00:45:15,650
you said it in one word, intrigued.
973
00:45:15,784 --> 00:45:16,214
Will: Yeah.
974
00:45:16,286 --> 00:45:18,710
Sarah : I'm not blown away, but I'm
975
00:45:18,774 --> 00:45:21,382
definitely. I would like to. Some
976
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:22,418
explanation.
977
00:45:22,718 --> 00:45:25,510
Will: Yeah. Yeah. I joked with you while I was
978
00:45:25,534 --> 00:45:28,174
joking with you Sunday night. I was like, yeah, I had to get the wiki
979
00:45:28,206 --> 00:45:28,778
open.
980
00:45:29,238 --> 00:45:32,190
Sarah : Yeah, you have to.
981
00:45:32,214 --> 00:45:35,098
And yet I'm still mispronouncing things. Oh, well,
982
00:45:36,118 --> 00:45:36,870
I have to.
983
00:45:36,934 --> 00:45:39,310
Will: But, yeah, that's why we're doing casuals,
984
00:45:39,334 --> 00:45:39,938
y'all.
985
00:45:40,558 --> 00:45:43,108
Sarah : But simultaneously, I
986
00:45:43,148 --> 00:45:45,868
felt. I can't stress it enough
987
00:45:45,948 --> 00:45:48,700
how I felt. Like I actually understand
988
00:45:48,804 --> 00:45:50,364
exactly what's going on.
989
00:45:50,476 --> 00:45:51,116
Will: Yeah. Yeah.
990
00:45:51,172 --> 00:45:53,848
Sarah : Well, not exactly, but I understand
991
00:45:54,948 --> 00:45:57,764
what they wanted to explain to me in that
992
00:45:57,796 --> 00:46:00,308
episode. and the
993
00:46:00,348 --> 00:46:02,492
mythology was a lot
994
00:46:02,580 --> 00:46:05,490
clearer, and simplified
995
00:46:05,674 --> 00:46:08,594
for me. Even though it was a bit boring how they did that,
996
00:46:08,666 --> 00:46:11,494
it's still. They. They had to do what they had
997
00:46:11,526 --> 00:46:12,338
to do.
998
00:46:12,638 --> 00:46:15,566
Will: Yeah. Yeah. And they jumped. Yeah. And
999
00:46:15,582 --> 00:46:18,582
they jumped right into. Like. They didn't tease things. They, like. They burned a
1000
00:46:18,590 --> 00:46:19,578
kid at the end.
1001
00:46:20,358 --> 00:46:23,158
Sarah : They. They had someone kill herself at the beginning, and then
1002
00:46:23,198 --> 00:46:26,006
they. They bookend it with the killing of a kid, and
1003
00:46:26,022 --> 00:46:29,000
then someone else dying. And, And I can't stress that enough. Some
1004
00:46:29,024 --> 00:46:31,704
of the most brutal ways to.
1005
00:46:31,856 --> 00:46:34,650
I'm just like. That's
1006
00:46:34,714 --> 00:46:37,402
creative. Like, inside out like that.
1007
00:46:37,490 --> 00:46:38,778
Oh, my God.
1008
00:46:38,938 --> 00:46:39,762
Will: Yeah. Yeah.
1009
00:46:39,850 --> 00:46:42,506
Sarah : Like. Like, Desmond, you.
1010
00:46:42,642 --> 00:46:45,402
You could. Yeah. Kill Kasha that way.
1011
00:46:45,490 --> 00:46:48,278
Okay. She's an adult. But the kid.
1012
00:46:48,818 --> 00:46:51,770
Why. Why? It just. Poison. Poison.
1013
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Slit of the throat. I don't know. But burning from the inside
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out. That's a lot.
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Will: Yeah, that was a lot. That. That was a lot.
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Sarah : Jesus.
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Will: They're like, all right, we only have six episodes, and we're
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gonna. Like, we're gonna.
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Yeah. I mean, that's how. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. I mean, really, the
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only flaw I had. Well, there was some flaws,
1021
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but the only. The only thing towards the end there. That was a
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sound kind of like, really was. Whenever Inez and
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00:47:18,534 --> 00:47:21,510
the tradies, like, hooked up, I'm like, okay. That was
1024
00:47:21,534 --> 00:47:24,230
just like, okay. That whenever people, like, made the Game of
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00:47:24,254 --> 00:47:27,110
Thrones comparisons right through gratuitous sex, I was like, okay,
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that's one.
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00:47:28,428 --> 00:47:31,194
Sarah : Yeah. I was. I was just like, And Bathroom
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Break. Okay. Because I don't. I don't need to.
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Like, this is boring to me. I've Scene this
1030
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in a bunch of different ways. Like, if
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00:47:39,562 --> 00:47:41,690
you want to watch sex scenes, go watch
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00:47:41,754 --> 00:47:44,450
Rivals, which I did finish. I did
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Rivals, and I didn't tell you about it.
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Will: Okay.
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00:47:47,538 --> 00:47:50,480
Sarah : I. Okay. I, It
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got a little bit repetitive, but by the
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end of it, the.
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There's something that happens in the very last episode where
1039
00:47:58,816 --> 00:48:01,552
now I'm like, okay, I need season two. I. I need to
1040
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,272
understand one thing. I need to see where this
1041
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,188
goes because, wow, I did not see that coming.
1042
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See that coming. And I know there's a book too,
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so, whatever. but. But
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00:48:14,054 --> 00:48:16,972
yeah, to go back to circle back to doom prophecy.
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We're on board. We got six
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episodes of this. which when I heard that, I
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00:48:22,632 --> 00:48:25,464
was like, that's not it. I don't know how to
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00:48:25,496 --> 00:48:26,328
feel about that.
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00:48:26,408 --> 00:48:28,628
Will: But, yeah, it feels like a Marvel season.
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00:48:33,808 --> 00:48:36,784
Sarah : sometimes if it's six, I'm like, that's
1051
00:48:36,816 --> 00:48:39,728
too short. How are you gonna really tell a full story?
1052
00:48:39,808 --> 00:48:42,748
But maybe it's just the appetizer.
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00:48:43,748 --> 00:48:46,412
and they just want to see what the demand really
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is. but. All right, on that note, Will,
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why don't you tell our listeners where they can find you?
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Will: Yes, you can find me on, social media, at. Ah, Will M. Polk
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W I L L M P O L K. You.
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Sarah : Can find me there too, at SJ Belmont. Sj B L M O N
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00:49:03,631 --> 00:49:05,790
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00:49:05,790 --> 00:49:08,575
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00:49:08,615 --> 00:49:11,543
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00:49:11,679 --> 00:49:14,359
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