Dune Prophecy: The Penultimate Episode Breakdown & Our Top 2024 TV Shows!

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>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont,

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and with me, as always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are you doing

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tonight, Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How are you doing this evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm good. I feel like I've updated you on all of

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my shenanigans of this past week, and

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I'm ready to tackle Dune. And,

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there will definitely be some shenanigans with

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my top five list.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, there will be a little bit.

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you may. You may predict my top

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list. but, And I know we have sort of dealer's choice

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as far as topics as well, as far as other things we want to rank

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for the year, but, yeah, looking forward to, getting into

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Dune tonight for sure.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I, I. I definitely. If we were recording

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on Monday, I would be

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more fresh. It's been a. It's been a chaotic

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24 hours, if not 48 hours for me. And

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I do remember. Remember, like, I did.

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I just want to get to, like, the big and then kind of

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backtrack a little bit because.

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And we. We shared text messages, about

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this immediately after you saw it and

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I saw it. How did we. How did we

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not. How did we. How did we miss it? Like,

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how. Even though, I

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mean one way, I just say, how did we not see that

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coming? And on the other hand, I'm just like, bravo,

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good job. You know, how to

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plant a logical seed,

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then, give it time to fester

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and distract the viewers long enough for

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you to not even connect those dots

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until they want you to. Because as soon

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as Tula looks up and it's like,

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Harken in. And,

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Atreides bloodline, I'm like,

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tula, Tula,

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what did you do? Yep.

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>> Will: Yep. Because even the. Even the seed planted

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with, whenever Desmond and

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Natalia are talking,

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it still. I was just like. But, you know, going back to episode

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three, I. I guess I was so

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focused on the. All the other

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things that happened during that night as far

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as the. The.

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>> Sarah : Exactly.

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>> Will: The. The murder. the fact that she let

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the. The one kid go. I

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mean, yeah, they had sex, but, you

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know, at the end of the day, I wasn't thinking.

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I mean, I guess there was like, a fleeting moment where I was just like.

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But, you know, but that's overthinking. I didn't even think, like, they would have

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kids or anything like that. I never. I really didn't. I was.

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It was just sort of like, okay, they. Then let's, you know, they. And then she

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killed them. And then. And everything

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that happened in the scene after that, the morning

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when she just gives her true

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identity to him. I mean it was. Yeah, I was

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really just caught up in that moment

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and, and their reactions to it and. And

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Ori's like, okay, cool, you

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know, we can start something new. I mean. And I think that was.

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I think that was part of the genius of

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them really getting you to focus on

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the aftermath and then, what had happened the night

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before.

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>> Sarah : Well, and also it was revealed in that

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morning that he was Atreides. We didn't know that

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exactly in the episode until then, so

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it definitely was.

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There was something going on. And then you knew they

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were in love. So. So they have sex and it's like

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whatever, like nothing comes to mind. And

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then the next morning, like the actual

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stuff happens and to the point. And it's

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also been an episode removed. Like another thing

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they did a good job is they didn't show that

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episode and then followed up with this revealed.

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No, like last week's

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episode is still fresh in the viewers mind.

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More. More than the previous one.

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So they gave time for El Sodia

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to forget. Yeah,

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exactly. Not piece it together.

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what did you mean by the seed planted in

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Natalia and Desmond's scene?

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Because the scenes were their

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scene and Tula

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figuring out the bloodline were

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cut together. So I just.

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I wasn't tracking with what you meant.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess it just really.

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It was the. Maybe. Maybe it was

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more of a sense of like

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we get why he is so angry.

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Yeah, maybe that's more about the, about

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the sisterhood, more so than, than the

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parentage. maybe that was the linkage

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that, that, you know, that. Because all throughout

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the previous episodes we were wondering

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what is. You know, we've talked about this. What. What's his motivations

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and why is he so. You

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know, with. With Kasha and everything else.

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What was the motivations for. For these characters? And

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really like all the. I will say

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this fifth episode in Blood Truth,

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really like pulled every.

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All these, like, you know, as. As we've gone

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through, I was like, you know, some of these things have kind of left me

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cold. I mean. But as we talk about the episodes then

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it's like, oh, yeah, you know, this show is actually like. It

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has. It packs a lot for like a very

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condensed season.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, it has good

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mechanics.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So.

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So whenever, we do get the reveal in this

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episode, it actually, it actually felt earned.

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I was like, okay,

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I can rock with this because y'all did

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a. Did a solid job of laying the

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foundation for, like, you know, we've had the. What the

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moments. But this one truly was like,

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wow.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. This wasn't. What the fuck. It was like, oh,

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my God, how am I so fucking stupid?

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But I'm glad that you brought that up, though, about

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Desmond and, like, the

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simultaneous reveal of, like, this

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being his motivation for his

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clear war,

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against the Sisterhood. And I.

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I don't remember us talking or

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speculating about his motivations.

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I'm sorry if we did, but I really don't.

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And I think that's probably why the reveal

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worked so well, because I like it

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when you are so engaged in

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something that then the

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writers start to answer,

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questions that the

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viewer didn't even think to

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question. Like.

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Like, we didn't think to ask. Like. Oh.

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So. So he clearly. Because I just had it

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worked out in my mind that this

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whole spice,

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to two bursts or whatever, they. They

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said one birth in spice, one birth

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nationally. two lives. Or is

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it two lives?

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>> Will: It's, twice. Twice born.

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>> Sarah : Twice born. Like, that had something to

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do with, like, the message that he

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received with the power and abilities is

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like, now you have to go in and hunt

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down these. But no, it's a. Clearly a personal

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vendetta. And

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it's also interesting how

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that same scene answers a question that

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I definitely have been asking for a while

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about Natalia.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Because this whole episode

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revealed so much more about the

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Hulk emperor's family

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and their dynamics, and it makes a lot more

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sense. And I really enjoyed

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her line about how,

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like. Well, I like the. Let. Let's let

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us rid the Imperium from these witches

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forever. And how it's

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like they've taken. She was

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chosen because this was an arranged

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marriage, and yet he

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fucked. Fucked his

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sister. Not his sister. This

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isn't Game of Thrones, but a sister.

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And. And had a kid out of wedlock.

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So, like, he.

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He obviously is still infatuated with her

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as well. That was clear. And.

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And then. And then also everything that the

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sisterhood has been doing with Inez,

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like, and. And that. That makes

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a lot more sense. And yet again,

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logically, it didn't, doesn't it?

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Logically, it makes sense. And it

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also catches you off guard because

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you're. We're at a point with

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the show where we. We feel like we know

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these characters, yet the writers

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are still revealing. Okay, so I

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know you wanted to know the answer, in episode one, but we're gonna

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drop It. In episode five.

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>> Will: Yeah. And that was a bit, you know, and

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introducing Francesca into a

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major, major player in the fifth

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episode was a really good design

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because it really. It does like,

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contextualizes, as I was saying before, everything that's

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come before it, you know, now, because,

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you know, we see that and not only. And also

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Valia's plan as well, because again, this is how the

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sisterhood is doing their

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things to, like, continue

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to, you know, impress upon it and

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build their powers within

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the imperium. Because, I mean, Francesca was

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chosen to be with Havoco, and she

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has this. You know, she was impressed. You know, he was.

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She's an imprinter. So not only was

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it the infatuation, but, you know, but it's like she is

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designed to basically use this in printing to be,

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you know, to basically he. Big.

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Bonded with him, you know, use the powers of seduction and

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sex and everything else to be bonded with this, with. With

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Habakko. So, you know, so it. Not only does

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it make the arranged marriage between him and Natalia,

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you know, it paints a different light on it

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from that standpoint, but also it also explains why

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Natalia is just so bitter

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and angry towards the sisterhood because of.

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Of this relationship that. That's out

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there. And. And also why he is so.

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So cold and distant towards Natalia. you know, because

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I remember that very first episode, it was just like, oh, you know, we were

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wondering, like, what's. What's going on with their marriage here.

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You can. You can see the. Their. Their.

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Their distance. And so again,

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just.

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>> Sarah : Why is he so weak?

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : Like, he is. He's. He's a very. And. And

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I can. And Francesca

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pointed that out to her son

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and. And said he's a man driven by fear.

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And I think that's exactly why. Where

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all these women around him are clearly

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not driven by fear. Driven. They

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want the power and they want to preserve the power.

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So it's. Or they.

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I bet it's more. Because I think about a line.

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I think it was like last week about how

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a man with power will

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do. With all that power, will do

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everything they can just to preserve it. Like, once they have

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it, it's all. It's all about,

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preserve. Preserving it

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while the women still don't feel like they have that

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power. and so they.

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They. They are not driven by fear

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of losing anything. Because, I mean,

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Natalia is like, it, I'm

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gonna go screw Desmond. Which. Which another

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thing we should have seen, like, really coming.

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And as soon as she entered the chambers, I Was like, they're

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gonna. She's gonna make. Ooh, she's gonna make a

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move. It's gonna be weird because he clearly has mommy

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issues. I did not know to the extent.

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but. But just.

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>> Will: We can. Yeah, we can. We did kind of like, I know whenever.

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Whenever Desmond, was like,

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earlier, you know, earlier. Earlier on, we. We saw the

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seeds there. We. We did kind of like, there's something's going

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to happen there. Because, you know, we joke at the time. We just joke

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because Havoco is so feckless and Desmond is just

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so strong and powerful. But. But, But,

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yeah, but we. We get some. Again, they

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deepen the threads there

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as far as why he is just so, You know, why

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he's there and why he is, so

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pissed off about the sisterhood.

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>> Sarah : Right, right. we also

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learn more. and I did ask this

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question last week. I was like, what's the point of

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Constantine? And so when

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he actually said that line in

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the episode, I was like, I thought

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of, thank you. What was the

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point? But I have to give it to the

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actor because he. His delivery of that

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lied really hit me because, like, he was. He was in

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it. And then her reaction.

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I. I don't know if she told the entire

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truth, but

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I feel like she definitely told him

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what he needed to hear.

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And the other thing about Constantine and

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I. And I speculated this,

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and correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm like

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99 sure

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Theodosia turned into

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him to request the presence of

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Francesca

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because. Because Constantine tells

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her, like, why are you here? Like,

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I didn't. And then she said, well, you sent for me. And it's

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like, no, I didn't.

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>> Will: I thought Valya was the one who planted that

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message out there.

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>> Sarah : No, no, I think. I think that

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because they have technology, I think.

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I think it had to be Theo Doja had to

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impersonate Constantine in order

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for the message to be sent. Like,

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think Star wars and how they have that technology

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where they see the person. I wonder if they. To do

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that.

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>> Will: Like, oh, yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : So. So I. I know Valley is

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behind it, of course. Right.

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It was perfectly clear. And I also.

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I find it very funny the moment

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Francesca kind of confronts her about it.

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and then Valya tells her a little bit

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about the plan. Her first question is like,

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does. Is Tula aware of all this?

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So you can. You can see, to an extent,

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the sisterhood is still a little divided.

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Divided. And not everyone,

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like, directly follows. I mean, I think

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there are people who will follow Tula more than they

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would follow Valia just because of how she is about

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things.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : those sisters. But

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anything else about the, Emperor

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family and all of that before we get into

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the tradies of it all?

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>> Will: well, I mean, as far as the other dynamics too,

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I think, with. With Constant. With

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Inez and I. I know you'll probably pick up a little bit of that

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with, when we get into the Atreides, but she,

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not being on board with, with their father, you

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know, naming Constantine to

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the. Be the head of the. The forces. And also. And I guess how

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Constantine even got it was, you know, turning into Atreides,

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you know, as a segue to. To talking about Kieran. But,

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no, that was. You know, those are the main. You know, I think

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what we covered are the main things other than just,

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you know, as far as Desmond, just being named ahead

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of the Military Guard itself and

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how, You know, he's,

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As far as how he, How he

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was really seen it

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as an honor, to, you

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know, lowly soldier from

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Arrakis is now placed in

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this high position in the. In the Imperium.

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And, just ready to. You know,

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I think I really, like. I really enjoyed that scene where he

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was. Where he was, you know, putting

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on the coat of arms and.

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>> Sarah : And.

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>> Will: And really, you know, immersing

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himself into his. And into his new role.

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Because again, it was just sort of like. It was. You know, he's

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been building, you know, doing these things

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all throughout the series to get to this place. And now that

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he's. Now that he's achieved it, he was going to

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definitely do, you know, Havoco's bidding to

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root out the rebellion.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah.

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So my. My whole thing,

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I. I still fall asleep during the Inez

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storyline. But, I. I just have

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this question. Has Karen always spoken with an

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Irish accent? Like

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the scene between him and Michaela in this

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episode, I was sitting there, like, where. Where

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did this Irish accent come from? Like where.

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>> Will: Yeah, it was more pronounced this episode for some reason. You're

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right. Yeah. I never really noticed it before, but now

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that you mentioned it, yeah. Either that

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or he was just like. Did he not have as many lines before?

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>> Sarah : Well, fair. Very fair

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point. He's very stoic. Say

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nothing, just observe the situation kind of

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guy. or make out with Inez.

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But at the same time, I was just.

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Because he had quite a few scenes in this episode,

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but I swear, the one scene, the first scene between him

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and Mikaela I was just like,

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what? Where did this accent go?

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Actually, it's not, like, aware, but.

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So you couldn't do that the whole

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time. You're so confused.

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>> Will: So funny.

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>> Sarah : Oh, my God. I really

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liked the Michaela this

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episode because her

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scene with Desmond and

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I. I should

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have. I should have. Well, I don't know. Yes,

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I've seen both movies, but I'm. I do not

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know Dune the way other people know Dune. I

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do not understand it. So. So the blue

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eyes should have given me a,

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tip that she was a freeman,

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who are the people of Iraqis?

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And I just. I really

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liked the tit for

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tat exchange between them,

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especially because he calls her out on it. It's

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like, so why are you at the end of

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the day here helping the people who

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are raping your planet?

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And that brings me to something

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that I put on my notes at the

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very beginning before, like, really the episode even

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started for everything.

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All of the mechanics that this show does well

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with the characters. yes, I still

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think it feels a bit cold, but it definitely

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is strong in the story that it's trying to tell

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and the world it's trying to build. The one

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thing that I really don't understand about

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the lore, and it hasn't been made clear,

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despite two movies and five

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episodes of television. What's

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the big deal about the spice? What's the big

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deal about it? Like, yeah, I see that

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it clearly gives you blue eyes.

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You get high off of it. I guess

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it seems like people need it to have sex. I don't

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know. But, like, other

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than that, like, what.

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What is the appeal of it? And why is it

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so important for somebody

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to, like, hoard

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it? what power comes from it? I know,

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like, we have the Twice more, but it's still not

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clear to me. because they've been doing

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this for hundreds of years.

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Right. And they continue to be

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trying to rape Arrakis for.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Thousands of years to come.

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>> Will: Yeah. So, I mean, it's. It's a vice.

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It's a couple things. One is, it's just

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limited supply. just like we were joking in our pre

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show about, when you're trying to get tickets to a

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particular show, I mean, it's. And it's in great

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demand because the only place in the universe,

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apparently, that this drug can be

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grown is Arrakis. so.

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And, of course, yeah, you. You answer your own question

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in a couple ways, because, it does, you

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know, it does increase vitality. It does heighten senses

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that you know, we've seen it also used with.

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As we will talk about Lila here shortly,

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it can be used to, lengthening,

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lifespans or you used to be. Bring people back. So,

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I mean, it's just a very, very valuable commodity that

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is only in this one part of the universe. And

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so whoever controls it, whoever controls

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the trade is,

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you know, also depressing. It said it also, you

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know, gives people. So whoever controls it,

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you know, basically has a lock on the,

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you know, the. The one of the most

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valuable commodities in the universe.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I. I just. I hear what you're

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saying, but, maybe it's

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because I know that it continues to go on. And

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it's not that the spice isn't grown.

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It's the warms on a

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track. You, know, the warms on attractors.

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It's. It's their. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah. So it's not really grown.

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It's not.

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>> Will: Well, it's hard. It's harvested. Yeah, but.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, it's harvested on the planet. Yeah.

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And. But.

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So I don't. The demand

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high. I don't know about limited supply, though,

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is all I'm saying. I just. I

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guess. I guess, like. And I don't want to dwell on this

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point by any means, it's not an argument worth

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having. But I just wish

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that it would, As a viewer who's

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relatively new to Dune and the lore, I

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just wish it was better communicated, like,

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to the point where I was like, why. Why can't we have spice

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on Earth? Like, I feel like it's

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missing a bit of that.

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>> Will: Well, see, but. But, to me, it seems like. I mean,

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every. Well, at least I haven't watched Part

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Two. But at least with the. With this. With

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this story, with Prophecy, Part

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1, and even the 1984 version of

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that was, done by, Oh, gosh, I'm blinking.

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but, yeah, that director now.

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But in all versions, I mean, it's very clear that's the only place

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in the universe that this stuff can be harvested

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is Arrakis. So I think it's. Yeah, so, I mean, I think

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it's just pretty clear in

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universe for. For why it's so valuable.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, at least.

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>> Will: At least to m. Me.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, to you.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : all right, so that brings us to

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Lila slash Raquela, which shout

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out to the actress because she did a great job

512
00:23:53,569 --> 00:23:56,545
playing Raquela. Great job. also,

513
00:23:56,697 --> 00:23:59,569
I like how they didn't do a jump scare last episode.

514
00:23:59,649 --> 00:24:01,589
Totally got me this episode.

515
00:24:01,929 --> 00:24:02,949
>> Will: Oh, yeah.

516
00:24:04,809 --> 00:24:07,681
>> Sarah : When they opened the Little door. I was just like,

517
00:24:07,705 --> 00:24:10,309
what. What's going on? Bam. Oh, God.

518
00:24:13,339 --> 00:24:16,313
I. I. Yeah. all of those scenes

519
00:24:16,361 --> 00:24:19,033
were. Again, it's when they.

520
00:24:19,121 --> 00:24:21,913
They lean. And it didn't get too horror.

521
00:24:22,041 --> 00:24:24,649
Like, after the initial stuff

522
00:24:24,729 --> 00:24:27,689
there. There was a lot of. They. They did get. I think

523
00:24:27,729 --> 00:24:30,521
they did the jump scare because they wanted

524
00:24:30,585 --> 00:24:33,273
you to feel a little bit like, oh,

525
00:24:33,321 --> 00:24:36,057
okay. So they. They. We might

526
00:24:36,113 --> 00:24:38,989
have a resurgence of this, and

527
00:24:39,109 --> 00:24:41,837
she's. She's clearly stuck. But

528
00:24:41,893 --> 00:24:44,739
after it settled for a little while, it

529
00:24:44,779 --> 00:24:47,667
got less and less, especially when Rickella really

530
00:24:47,723 --> 00:24:50,349
took over, over that.

531
00:24:50,469 --> 00:24:53,359
And. And, And it was

532
00:24:53,399 --> 00:24:55,919
interesting when Raquel brought up Dorit.

533
00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:58,655
Yeah, Doretta. And.

534
00:24:58,727 --> 00:25:01,643
And even the acolyte was like, I don't

535
00:25:01,659 --> 00:25:04,379
know which man. The other acolytes

536
00:25:04,427 --> 00:25:06,815
are. They're. They're gonna.

537
00:25:07,395 --> 00:25:10,011
They're planning something there. That

538
00:25:10,083 --> 00:25:12,827
scene when, I feel like it was the

539
00:25:12,851 --> 00:25:15,739
blood sample arrives and.

540
00:25:15,907 --> 00:25:18,875
And they're on the top of the buildings

541
00:25:18,955 --> 00:25:21,803
looking down like a bunch of creepers.

542
00:25:21,899 --> 00:25:24,283
I'm just like, oh, God. They are

543
00:25:24,339 --> 00:25:27,035
definitely. Like, Desmond

544
00:25:27,115 --> 00:25:30,017
doesn't realize how the sisterhood with

545
00:25:30,041 --> 00:25:32,833
the acolytes could very easily just,

546
00:25:32,889 --> 00:25:34,805
like, implode on itself.

547
00:25:35,705 --> 00:25:36,485
>> Will: Yeah.

548
00:25:37,065 --> 00:25:37,215
>> Sarah : Yeah.

549
00:25:37,215 --> 00:25:40,031
>> Will: yeah. I mean, at this point, I mean, because. Yeah. I

550
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:43,023
mean, we. We see that division. We, From the very. From the

551
00:25:43,047 --> 00:25:45,785
get. And we're. And we're continuing to see it, now

552
00:25:45,825 --> 00:25:48,205
with. With the one. With the one sister,

553
00:25:48,635 --> 00:25:51,517
whatever. Questioning Tula and. And, you know,

554
00:25:51,541 --> 00:25:54,397
was all. With the abomination. I mean, that was the other thing

555
00:25:54,421 --> 00:25:57,371
too. I mean, as far as Raquela and Lila,

556
00:25:57,403 --> 00:26:00,215
I mean, they're. The whole thing here

557
00:26:00,995 --> 00:26:03,803
being an abomination because of what. What

558
00:26:03,859 --> 00:26:06,619
has transpired here by Tula putting her in a

559
00:26:06,627 --> 00:26:09,019
thinking machine and, you know, reanimating

560
00:26:09,067 --> 00:26:11,707
her. I mean, in some

561
00:26:11,731 --> 00:26:14,605
regards, Well, I guess she was also in a coma. She wasn't ever actually

562
00:26:14,645 --> 00:26:15,945
ever dead. But still,

563
00:26:17,285 --> 00:26:20,205
it's. Yeah. I mean, the tip.

564
00:26:20,365 --> 00:26:22,625
The scales could be easily tipped,

565
00:26:23,365 --> 00:26:26,219
you know, one way or another. like you said,

566
00:26:26,307 --> 00:26:28,939
without any external interference from

567
00:26:28,947 --> 00:26:31,675
Desmond at this point. But also the other thing, too,

568
00:26:31,715 --> 00:26:34,635
with. What I liked about this was how

569
00:26:34,755 --> 00:26:37,707
even though we still haven't gotten a full explanation as far as

570
00:26:37,731 --> 00:26:39,335
how Desmond got his power,

571
00:26:40,995 --> 00:26:43,867
we do know that just from

572
00:26:43,891 --> 00:26:46,763
the, samples that they've been able to get.

573
00:26:46,869 --> 00:26:49,247
But, you know, analyzing what happened to

574
00:26:49,351 --> 00:26:52,057
Kasha, they. They

575
00:26:52,081 --> 00:26:55,049
realized, you know, Raquel was like, you know, some kind

576
00:26:55,057 --> 00:26:57,915
of airborne virus that m.

577
00:26:58,385 --> 00:26:59,785
Well, I.

578
00:26:59,905 --> 00:27:01,833
>> Sarah : What killed Kasha.

579
00:27:02,009 --> 00:27:02,765
>> Will: Yeah.

580
00:27:03,665 --> 00:27:05,525
>> Sarah : Is Something different.

581
00:27:06,065 --> 00:27:08,697
I feel like what they were trying to

582
00:27:08,721 --> 00:27:11,529
imply is it not only killed

583
00:27:11,577 --> 00:27:13,925
Kasha, but it unleashed, a

584
00:27:13,965 --> 00:27:16,709
virus that is now

585
00:27:16,797 --> 00:27:19,185
affecting not in the same way,

586
00:27:19,485 --> 00:27:22,065
but the other students. And I feel

587
00:27:23,005 --> 00:27:25,765
I. I'm not putting. I still think, though,

588
00:27:25,885 --> 00:27:27,905
because of the dreams they're having,

589
00:27:29,245 --> 00:27:32,181
Doretta is also at play here. And

590
00:27:32,253 --> 00:27:34,225
so they buy

591
00:27:37,565 --> 00:27:40,425
the. The virus may have caused the dreams.

592
00:27:40,895 --> 00:27:43,383
Well, no, because Lila went

593
00:27:43,439 --> 00:27:46,231
under before all of the dreams

594
00:27:46,263 --> 00:27:47,639
really started happening.

595
00:27:47,767 --> 00:27:48,631
>> Will: Correct.

596
00:27:48,823 --> 00:27:51,495
>> Sarah : So which. M. So it's almost

597
00:27:51,615 --> 00:27:54,311
like Doretta saw that

598
00:27:54,383 --> 00:27:57,075
door get open and,

599
00:27:57,705 --> 00:28:00,689
put her hand out and randomly grabbed a hold of

600
00:28:00,697 --> 00:28:03,537
the airborne pirates and was like, okay, this

601
00:28:03,561 --> 00:28:06,513
is my ticket. I feel like they're too

602
00:28:06,569 --> 00:28:09,375
connected. And I

603
00:28:09,415 --> 00:28:12,287
think what. They're also. Besides. And I say it

604
00:28:12,311 --> 00:28:14,895
all the time, the lean into the horror,

605
00:28:15,055 --> 00:28:17,615
but they're doing a good job with

606
00:28:17,735 --> 00:28:20,133
the sisterhood, storyline

607
00:28:20,229 --> 00:28:23,221
of this balance between science

608
00:28:23,333 --> 00:28:25,445
and mysticism. M. Yep.

609
00:28:25,525 --> 00:28:25,973
>> Will: Yep.

610
00:28:26,069 --> 00:28:28,789
>> Sarah : And because it goes back and forth and all

611
00:28:28,877 --> 00:28:31,285
like you said before, they put her in a thinking

612
00:28:31,365 --> 00:28:34,085
machine, but at the same time, the

613
00:28:34,125 --> 00:28:37,065
thinking machine injected her with a bunch of spice.

614
00:28:38,365 --> 00:28:41,279
So. So it's really interesting.

615
00:28:41,327 --> 00:28:43,727
And I like the design of the

616
00:28:43,831 --> 00:28:46,415
DNA and that index and how it's.

617
00:28:46,575 --> 00:28:49,471
When it starts, it takes the form of these

618
00:28:49,543 --> 00:28:52,415
trees and these roots. I thought

619
00:28:52,455 --> 00:28:55,455
the design of that. I mean, I haven't been

620
00:28:55,495 --> 00:28:58,495
too impressed by a lot of the design

621
00:28:58,615 --> 00:29:01,487
of this world. And I was thinking about that a

622
00:29:01,511 --> 00:29:04,315
lot in this episode, about how,

623
00:29:04,835 --> 00:29:07,295
like Game of Thrones

624
00:29:07,635 --> 00:29:10,495
and I'll stick to House of Dragon.

625
00:29:11,555 --> 00:29:13,931
We stayed in King's

626
00:29:13,963 --> 00:29:16,875
Landing, like, forever that

627
00:29:16,915 --> 00:29:19,595
first season yet because it had

628
00:29:19,715 --> 00:29:22,597
the, Because we had the.

629
00:29:22,701 --> 00:29:25,477
We weren't just stuck at the palace. We saw.

630
00:29:25,581 --> 00:29:28,437
We saw the commoners a lot. We. We would

631
00:29:28,461 --> 00:29:31,279
go on these little adventures. The world still felt

632
00:29:31,327 --> 00:29:33,935
big. Yeah, I feel.

633
00:29:34,055 --> 00:29:36,767
I don't. I think they. They had some

634
00:29:36,791 --> 00:29:39,679
butterfly issues. The.

635
00:29:39,767 --> 00:29:42,479
The universe does not feel big to me.

636
00:29:42,647 --> 00:29:45,615
It feels like we keep jumping. We've. We've been

637
00:29:45,655 --> 00:29:48,511
jumping from two plant between two planets

638
00:29:48,703 --> 00:29:51,663
pretty much the whole time. And. And

639
00:29:51,719 --> 00:29:54,543
every time we're on a planet, we get stuck in

640
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:57,115
the same location and it's just.

641
00:29:57,515 --> 00:30:00,403
And. And we. Last week we saw a lot

642
00:30:00,459 --> 00:30:03,315
more people, but it's just. It doesn't

643
00:30:03,395 --> 00:30:06,387
feel. It doesn't feel big and it

644
00:30:06,411 --> 00:30:08,175
doesn't feel lived in.

645
00:30:08,505 --> 00:30:11,395
>> Will: M M. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

646
00:30:11,475 --> 00:30:14,015
yeah, you're right. I mean, it does. It is very.

647
00:30:14,395 --> 00:30:17,267
And I know that was something we talked about as well from the

648
00:30:17,291 --> 00:30:20,051
beginning, and it hasn't. Hasn't

649
00:30:20,083 --> 00:30:23,059
changed from the Ver from my first impressions, I

650
00:30:23,067 --> 00:30:25,295
had the same thought as well, watching the,

651
00:30:25,695 --> 00:30:28,407
set designs and stuff. It was. Yeah, it

652
00:30:28,431 --> 00:30:30,711
is. It does feel like it's like a sound

653
00:30:30,743 --> 00:30:31,543
stage.

654
00:30:31,719 --> 00:30:33,927
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Multiple sounds.

655
00:30:33,991 --> 00:30:36,665
>> Will: Multiple sound stages or multiple volumes.

656
00:30:37,265 --> 00:30:39,961
but I will agree with you though, with the. With the Thinking

657
00:30:39,993 --> 00:30:42,583
Machine. that is. That is on Wallock

658
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:45,517
nine. I can't. Is it. I can't. I can't remember

659
00:30:45,541 --> 00:30:48,195
the name of it right. Right off the top of my head right now.

660
00:30:48,425 --> 00:30:51,297
but whenever it does activate and was doing

661
00:30:51,321 --> 00:30:53,855
the Helix and all the. It was a good use of,

662
00:30:54,295 --> 00:30:57,195
what budget they did have. It was a good use of

663
00:30:57,735 --> 00:31:00,609
the design and effects. you know, the

664
00:31:00,617 --> 00:31:03,297
helix and all the DNA strands and

665
00:31:03,321 --> 00:31:06,321
stuff. You know, it just really added texture to.

666
00:31:06,393 --> 00:31:09,329
To that. Yeah, we are. We are doing the genetic matching here as

667
00:31:09,337 --> 00:31:10,725
far as our 23andMe.

668
00:31:11,145 --> 00:31:13,405
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. And it.

669
00:31:14,515 --> 00:31:17,425
This is a very, I'm just gonna say it,

670
00:31:17,965 --> 00:31:20,965
but I think I like

671
00:31:21,005 --> 00:31:23,989
it because I know that it's

672
00:31:24,037 --> 00:31:26,773
based off of a book and I

673
00:31:26,829 --> 00:31:29,301
feel as though someone, a writer could

674
00:31:29,373 --> 00:31:32,343
easily, describe that

675
00:31:32,399 --> 00:31:35,395
kind of thing. And so it feels like

676
00:31:35,935 --> 00:31:38,807
a book brought to life. Yeah. Ah. And

677
00:31:38,831 --> 00:31:41,655
that. With that set design and. And

678
00:31:41,695 --> 00:31:44,411
I'm sure arguably the other

679
00:31:44,543 --> 00:31:47,043
are similar, but it just.

680
00:31:47,179 --> 00:31:47,185
>> Will: There,

681
00:31:47,735 --> 00:31:50,543
>> Sarah : I mean, I keep thinking about the. The adjective you

682
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:53,535
used. Like, it. Those other sets feel

683
00:31:53,575 --> 00:31:56,511
cold, like they. They feel

684
00:31:56,583 --> 00:31:59,295
very bland. And. And

685
00:31:59,335 --> 00:32:02,287
that's. That's another reason that's something also to

686
00:32:02,311 --> 00:32:05,103
keep in mind with these shows is like,

687
00:32:05,159 --> 00:32:07,935
it's a visual medium, so you have to be

688
00:32:07,975 --> 00:32:10,959
intrigued by the visuals as well. And.

689
00:32:11,127 --> 00:32:13,871
And I know that there's a point for. Why. Well,

690
00:32:13,943 --> 00:32:16,475
Dyne is all dreary and everything,

691
00:32:16,855 --> 00:32:19,775
but it just. I. I

692
00:32:19,815 --> 00:32:22,719
feel like they could do more. But again, maybe it was a

693
00:32:22,727 --> 00:32:25,615
budget issue. I mean, we've had. We've had

694
00:32:25,655 --> 00:32:28,079
more warm shots than I thought we would.

695
00:32:28,167 --> 00:32:28,915
>> Will: Yeah.

696
00:32:30,295 --> 00:32:32,815
>> Sarah : So. And. And there was. There's been some

697
00:32:32,855 --> 00:32:35,775
explosions and some. Some stuff. I mean, we.

698
00:32:35,815 --> 00:32:38,677
We saw Desmond survive with his shield.

699
00:32:38,871 --> 00:32:41,225
I mean, at this point, I feel like the

700
00:32:41,265 --> 00:32:43,513
shields are more valuable.

701
00:32:43,689 --> 00:32:46,537
>> Will: Yeah, actually. Actually it's pretty valuable when you

702
00:32:46,561 --> 00:32:49,497
think about it, because I think about, Duncan Idaho and

703
00:32:49,521 --> 00:32:52,061
like, Or Jason. That was Jason

704
00:32:52,093 --> 00:32:54,013
Momoa's character, right? Part one.

705
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:54,625
>> Sarah : Yeah.

706
00:32:54,625 --> 00:32:57,569
>> Will: yeah, yeah. Whenever he was in the big fight in the. In

707
00:32:57,593 --> 00:33:00,369
the thing there, I mean, that's how he was able to, you know,

708
00:33:00,473 --> 00:33:03,167
help, Will Polk and his mom escape and stuff. Because those

709
00:33:03,207 --> 00:33:06,031
shields, I mean, those things are very, very valuable.

710
00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:08,987
And knowing how to you know, and thinking about some of the

711
00:33:09,011 --> 00:33:11,945
fight sequences, you know, even the trainings that we've seen

712
00:33:11,985 --> 00:33:14,745
with the trade with Constantine and

713
00:33:15,405 --> 00:33:18,295
Kieran and Inez, you know, learning how to

714
00:33:18,335 --> 00:33:21,287
like, you know, use those shields to your advantage. So it is

715
00:33:21,311 --> 00:33:24,295
a very powerful technology that, that's probably the most. One of the more

716
00:33:24,335 --> 00:33:27,281
visually and one of the coolest

717
00:33:27,313 --> 00:33:29,885
things out of the Dune universe.

718
00:33:30,919 --> 00:33:33,831
because, because the other. The aesthetic and stuff

719
00:33:33,863 --> 00:33:36,467
is very, I mean even, I mean

720
00:33:36,491 --> 00:33:39,379
granted, obviously we're, we're not, you know, obviously

721
00:33:39,427 --> 00:33:42,259
with a TV show is not going to have the multi

722
00:33:42,387 --> 00:33:45,283
million dollar budget that the feature film would

723
00:33:45,339 --> 00:33:48,179
have. But even so the aesthetic in Dune

724
00:33:48,227 --> 00:33:50,915
is. It's not about the technology. It's all about the,

725
00:33:50,955 --> 00:33:53,667
the plots. It's the sds, it's the

726
00:33:53,851 --> 00:33:56,255
heart the hurricanes and

727
00:33:56,205 --> 00:33:59,029
hurricanes and the, and the treaties. That's the

728
00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:01,919
story, you know, that's where everything is really focused on in the

729
00:34:01,927 --> 00:34:04,879
politics. Not, you know, it's not like Star wars where,

730
00:34:04,967 --> 00:34:07,807
where the flash

731
00:34:07,871 --> 00:34:10,591
of the universe feeling

732
00:34:10,623 --> 00:34:12,795
lived in is not as much

733
00:34:13,735 --> 00:34:16,559
an issue in the story as it is in other, in other

734
00:34:16,647 --> 00:34:17,887
sci fi shows.

735
00:34:18,031 --> 00:34:20,561
>> Sarah : It is sad though that 10,000 years

736
00:34:20,633 --> 00:34:23,265
later it's still all about the Harkonnens and then

737
00:34:23,305 --> 00:34:24,885
treaties. Yeah,

738
00:34:25,625 --> 00:34:28,611
and, and, and yeah,

739
00:34:28,643 --> 00:34:31,283
I could say more, but again, I know you haven't seen

740
00:34:31,339 --> 00:34:32,211
Dune 2.

741
00:34:32,363 --> 00:34:35,187
>> Will: Yeah, I'm gonna get around to it before. If this

742
00:34:35,211 --> 00:34:38,187
show does get a season two, which hopefully, you know, I, I'm especially

743
00:34:38,275 --> 00:34:41,223
given I don't know how it's going to end Sunday, but

744
00:34:42,323 --> 00:34:45,115
it has enough there that I think, you

745
00:34:45,139 --> 00:34:48,075
know, on a cliffhanger and then because the

746
00:34:48,099 --> 00:34:51,035
numbers have. Hasn't been stellar, HBO cancels it.

747
00:34:51,059 --> 00:34:54,037
I'm gonna be so pissed. This will actually be one where

748
00:34:54,045 --> 00:34:56,885
I am pissed because I feel I actually have gotten invested in

749
00:34:56,909 --> 00:34:58,433
this, in this story now.

750
00:34:58,893 --> 00:35:01,573
>> Sarah : Yeah, I would agree. I would be

751
00:35:01,613 --> 00:35:04,273
pissed just because I'm like, we just started.

752
00:35:06,253 --> 00:35:09,013
I want, I want some at the

753
00:35:09,053 --> 00:35:11,797
same time like,

754
00:35:11,885 --> 00:35:14,661
like m. We'll speculate. I'll save it for next week.

755
00:35:14,717 --> 00:35:17,237
More so about that and a season

756
00:35:17,325 --> 00:35:20,155
two, which we will be for our listeners.

757
00:35:20,219 --> 00:35:22,943
We will be recording on

758
00:35:22,983 --> 00:35:25,961
Monday next week, right before the holidays

759
00:35:26,057 --> 00:35:28,813
to finish out Dune prophecy.

760
00:35:29,413 --> 00:35:32,253
we, we wanted to make sure we concluded

761
00:35:32,333 --> 00:35:35,245
because neither one of us would, would be able

762
00:35:35,269 --> 00:35:38,205
to remember what we wanted to talk about if

763
00:35:38,229 --> 00:35:40,713
we had to wait until 2025.

764
00:35:42,053 --> 00:35:44,813
So. And then, and then after that we'll

765
00:35:44,893 --> 00:35:47,581
be on break for, for about two weeks. And then

766
00:35:47,717 --> 00:35:50,233
be back in 2025,

767
00:35:51,093 --> 00:35:53,741
too. But before we do that,

768
00:35:53,877 --> 00:35:56,477
we are using this time with y'all

769
00:35:56,525 --> 00:35:59,197
tonight to do some top

770
00:35:59,285 --> 00:36:02,283
five, TV shows. And,

771
00:36:02,593 --> 00:36:05,353
as I mentioned before, there's some shenanigans with my

772
00:36:05,393 --> 00:36:08,265
list. And I'm not sure

773
00:36:08,289 --> 00:36:11,213
if it's good shenanigans or bad list shenanigans.

774
00:36:12,133 --> 00:36:14,513
because I struggled.

775
00:36:15,813 --> 00:36:18,109
We've done this now three years in a row,

776
00:36:18,221 --> 00:36:20,429
and this year I

777
00:36:20,581 --> 00:36:22,733
struggled where I

778
00:36:22,853 --> 00:36:25,753
technically have a top seven.

779
00:36:28,373 --> 00:36:30,833
And here's why I struggled.

780
00:36:32,853 --> 00:36:35,853
I'm just going to say I don't think this was

781
00:36:35,893 --> 00:36:37,233
the best year of tv.

782
00:36:37,513 --> 00:36:37,613
>> Will: M.

783
00:36:39,333 --> 00:36:42,301
>> Sarah : I. I feel like there

784
00:36:42,357 --> 00:36:45,069
was a lot, like 2023

785
00:36:45,221 --> 00:36:47,933
really just hit it out of the park for me with

786
00:36:47,973 --> 00:36:50,461
TV shows. 2022 was

787
00:36:50,517 --> 00:36:53,277
solid. But there's

788
00:36:53,325 --> 00:36:56,125
something about this year when I reflect and I've been

789
00:36:56,149 --> 00:36:59,005
keeping track of everything I can

790
00:36:59,189 --> 00:37:01,113
that started this year

791
00:37:02,373 --> 00:37:04,873
and, and I struggled with,

792
00:37:05,219 --> 00:37:07,983
three shows. Four shows, technically.

793
00:37:09,923 --> 00:37:12,395
Four shows. You know, I'll

794
00:37:12,459 --> 00:37:15,063
say only my one and two,

795
00:37:15,523 --> 00:37:18,427
are, like, solid. The rest of my list

796
00:37:18,595 --> 00:37:21,579
is kind of all over the place. I almost

797
00:37:21,651 --> 00:37:24,491
wanna take this opportunity, like,

798
00:37:24,547 --> 00:37:27,067
as we go through our list, for us to, like, have a

799
00:37:27,075 --> 00:37:29,675
conversation about really how I feel about some of.

800
00:37:29,699 --> 00:37:32,103
>> Will: These shows actually

801
00:37:32,503 --> 00:37:35,319
to that point. so I have my five. But

802
00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:38,231
also I actually made a list of things that

803
00:37:38,255 --> 00:37:39,419
were disappointing.

804
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:43,287
>> Sarah : That's hilarious. Can we please

805
00:37:43,343 --> 00:37:44,259
start there?

806
00:37:44,799 --> 00:37:47,509
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. we can start there.

807
00:37:50,999 --> 00:37:53,817
>> Sarah : Hm. So this would be shows that you

808
00:37:53,873 --> 00:37:55,337
found disappointing?

809
00:37:55,513 --> 00:37:56,281
>> Will: Yeah.

810
00:37:56,425 --> 00:37:58,273
>> Sarah : Okay. Interesting.

811
00:37:58,441 --> 00:37:59,549
>> Will: Yeah, that.

812
00:38:00,329 --> 00:38:03,297
>> Sarah : Wow. I'm excited to hear this. We never get to hear

813
00:38:03,353 --> 00:38:04,657
disappointment from Will.

814
00:38:04,793 --> 00:38:07,633
>> Will: And you're gonna. And you're probably gonna be somebody. Will probably

815
00:38:07,681 --> 00:38:10,385
be like, yeah, that makes sense. And then others, you'll

816
00:38:10,417 --> 00:38:13,265
be. You'll be like, yeah,

817
00:38:13,297 --> 00:38:16,161
yeah, that makes. That makes total sense. I'll give the.

818
00:38:16,185 --> 00:38:18,993
I'll give the obvious one, like, right off the

819
00:38:19,001 --> 00:38:19,549
bat.

820
00:38:20,489 --> 00:38:22,309
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah,

821
00:38:23,449 --> 00:38:25,297
yeah, yeah, it was.

822
00:38:25,353 --> 00:38:28,129
>> Will: Yeah. I mean, it was

823
00:38:28,169 --> 00:38:31,139
good. Don't get me wrong. I mean, when I say disappointing, it's not that it,

824
00:38:31,139 --> 00:38:33,979
was like the shitty show

825
00:38:34,019 --> 00:38:36,939
or anything. It was just from what we have had

826
00:38:36,979 --> 00:38:39,639
before judging it against

827
00:38:40,099 --> 00:38:42,999
itself, it was a disappointing season.

828
00:38:43,299 --> 00:38:45,371
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah,

829
00:38:45,515 --> 00:38:48,219
yeah, yeah. So. So,

830
00:38:48,339 --> 00:38:51,211
so you have a list of how. How many shows are on your

831
00:38:51,235 --> 00:38:51,799
list?

832
00:38:52,429 --> 00:38:54,341
>> Will: so, I mean, for the whole year.

833
00:38:54,525 --> 00:38:55,221
>> Sarah : Yeah.

834
00:38:55,365 --> 00:38:56,169
>> Will: Oh, gosh.

835
00:38:56,589 --> 00:38:58,309
>> Sarah : like, of disappointing shows.

836
00:38:58,389 --> 00:39:00,619
>> Will: Oh. Oh, really? four.

837
00:39:00,919 --> 00:39:03,919
>> Sarah : Four. So. And the bear would be where on that

838
00:39:03,959 --> 00:39:04,539
list?

839
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:06,943
>> Will: And they're not in any particular order.

840
00:39:07,031 --> 00:39:08,655
>> Sarah : Oh, okay. Okay, okay.

841
00:39:08,687 --> 00:39:11,679
>> Will: Yeah, just more. I mean, I mean,

842
00:39:11,799 --> 00:39:14,703
yeah, yeah. The other one's Cobra Kai.

843
00:39:14,831 --> 00:39:17,179
I mean, it's just like. Yeah,

844
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:20,481
that's. Yeah, I'm almost, It's almost like,

845
00:39:20,585 --> 00:39:23,549
really, Yeah, it's. That one is just. Because it's just

846
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:26,461
bad. That

847
00:39:26,485 --> 00:39:29,485
was why I was disappointing. Well, also, it's just like. I feel like it's just wash,

848
00:39:29,517 --> 00:39:32,349
rinse, repeat at this point. Why am I. Ah. And I'm glad you

849
00:39:32,389 --> 00:39:35,197
made. We made a decision, and I'm glad you stuck. You

850
00:39:35,253 --> 00:39:38,029
pushed me on this one to. To go to. With

851
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:40,685
the Dune prophecy route instead of doing a Cobra

852
00:39:40,717 --> 00:39:41,409
Kai.

853
00:39:42,359 --> 00:39:43,859
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yes.

854
00:39:44,759 --> 00:39:47,391
>> Will: Thank you for doing that. Thank you for doing that. I was wanting our

855
00:39:47,415 --> 00:39:50,191
listeners to know that you. You. I'm so glad you did

856
00:39:50,215 --> 00:39:50,779
that.

857
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,859
>> Sarah : Yeah. I was like, let's do Dune.

858
00:39:55,319 --> 00:39:58,271
I don't. I. I'm just looking at my stuff

859
00:39:58,335 --> 00:40:00,951
and, So before, when I said I kept track of everything,

860
00:40:01,055 --> 00:40:04,055
I clearly left off me watching

861
00:40:04,167 --> 00:40:07,041
Cobra Kai the first half, and

862
00:40:07,065 --> 00:40:09,969
maybe that's my excuse. It's not on my list of being

863
00:40:10,009 --> 00:40:12,881
watched because it's still incomplete because we haven't watched the

864
00:40:12,905 --> 00:40:15,681
second half, and who knows when we

865
00:40:15,705 --> 00:40:18,063
will? which leads me

866
00:40:18,151 --> 00:40:20,879
to. I'm blanking on the

867
00:40:20,919 --> 00:40:23,903
name. I know another show that we

868
00:40:23,991 --> 00:40:25,099
bailed on.

869
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:26,819
>> Will: Oh, Avatar.

870
00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:28,719
>> Sarah : No. No.

871
00:40:28,839 --> 00:40:29,263
>> Will: Okay.

872
00:40:29,311 --> 00:40:30,687
>> Sarah : Is that on your list, though?

873
00:40:30,823 --> 00:40:33,519
>> Will: It's on my list of just all the things we watched for the year.

874
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:34,287
>> Sarah : Okay.

875
00:40:34,383 --> 00:40:34,751
>> Will: Yeah.

876
00:40:34,815 --> 00:40:37,775
>> Sarah : See, I. I left off a bunch

877
00:40:37,807 --> 00:40:40,559
of stuff that we may have started or I

878
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:43,391
even started just on my own, but didn't finish.

879
00:40:43,535 --> 00:40:44,979
>> Will: Okay. Yeah.

880
00:40:45,959 --> 00:40:48,111
>> Sarah : Like, I don't feel like it counts.

881
00:40:48,255 --> 00:40:48,655
>> Will: Okay.

882
00:40:48,687 --> 00:40:48,895
>> Sarah : Yeah.

883
00:40:48,927 --> 00:40:51,903
>> Will: I put anything that I watched at least three episodes

884
00:40:51,951 --> 00:40:53,409
of, I, put on my list.

885
00:40:53,869 --> 00:40:55,637
>> Sarah : Yeah, but there's another show.

886
00:40:55,773 --> 00:40:56,181
>> Will: Yeah.

887
00:40:56,245 --> 00:40:56,917
>> Sarah : Invincible.

888
00:40:57,013 --> 00:40:59,049
>> Will: Invincible. Yeah. It's on my list. Yeah.

889
00:40:59,879 --> 00:41:02,703
Yeah. I was gonna be the next. That was gonna be. The next thing out of my mouth was going to be

890
00:41:02,711 --> 00:41:05,659
Invincible. Yeah. Because I know we bailed. That was on me.

891
00:41:07,399 --> 00:41:10,313
>> Sarah : It was on him, guys. It really was. I, Have

892
00:41:10,401 --> 00:41:12,953
I for, like, ever since that, I keep

893
00:41:13,041 --> 00:41:15,865
circling back and being like, what, are we gonna ever finish

894
00:41:15,897 --> 00:41:18,505
this? Are we gonna

895
00:41:18,537 --> 00:41:21,321
ever. You remember the time when you made me

896
00:41:21,345 --> 00:41:23,629
watch Adam Eve out of nowhere?

897
00:41:26,159 --> 00:41:29,111
>> Will: I know, I know, I know. I was just like, oh, yeah. And I was

898
00:41:29,135 --> 00:41:32,013
so, like. And I was so, so hyped about Invincible,

899
00:41:32,061 --> 00:41:34,941
but for whatever reason, it just. It lost me

900
00:41:34,965 --> 00:41:37,901
somewhere. And maybe I'll get

901
00:41:37,925 --> 00:41:40,813
back on it because I know it's come. I know I saw the trailer,

902
00:41:40,861 --> 00:41:43,821
I guess. Was it last weekend or weekend before last? For the

903
00:41:43,845 --> 00:41:46,647
upcoming season beginning, of next year. But,

904
00:41:47,537 --> 00:41:49,637
But yeah, so maybe I'll get back on it.

905
00:41:50,987 --> 00:41:53,331
Maybe over the holiday. I'll give it a fresh, fresh

906
00:41:53,379 --> 00:41:54,019
look.

907
00:41:54,203 --> 00:41:56,723
>> Sarah : Hopefully he. He does that before he

908
00:41:56,795 --> 00:41:59,167
watches the Joker too. So

909
00:41:59,947 --> 00:42:02,739
are those all of the disappointing shows or are we missing

910
00:42:02,803 --> 00:42:03,411
one?

911
00:42:03,579 --> 00:42:06,531
>> Will: One, two. Well, one was the Acolyte. That was

912
00:42:06,539 --> 00:42:09,507
another one you belt on. I did, I did finish it

913
00:42:09,627 --> 00:42:12,359
with, with our. And talk to our friends

914
00:42:12,415 --> 00:42:15,207
over it at

915
00:42:15,279 --> 00:42:17,781
A plus, because it was just sort of like, well, you know,

916
00:42:18,251 --> 00:42:21,113
maybe the show will get better, but it never did. it had its

917
00:42:21,137 --> 00:42:24,073
moments. It had its moments. Some of the best fight sequences,

918
00:42:24,137 --> 00:42:26,537
I would say, in Star wars, but that's about the only thing that redeemed

919
00:42:26,569 --> 00:42:29,431
it. and then one that you may or may

920
00:42:29,471 --> 00:42:32,251
not be surprised is the boys.

921
00:42:34,191 --> 00:42:36,731
>> Sarah : Interesting. Interesting.

922
00:42:37,981 --> 00:42:39,121
why so?

923
00:42:39,551 --> 00:42:42,411
>> Will: because upon reflection, after look, you know, now

924
00:42:42,451 --> 00:42:45,405
that we're, Far from it, you know, at

925
00:42:45,413 --> 00:42:48,189
the time, you know, Homelander

926
00:42:48,365 --> 00:42:51,213
Antony Starr. Give him, Give him, Give

927
00:42:51,237 --> 00:42:53,709
him the. Give him the hardware. He earns

928
00:42:53,805 --> 00:42:56,733
every. If he, you know, he earned. If

929
00:42:56,757 --> 00:42:59,645
he wins this year, he would have earned it. I mean, the

930
00:42:59,653 --> 00:43:02,573
only person I think that comes close to the only other, you know,

931
00:43:02,597 --> 00:43:05,229
Colin Farrell, but they're in different categories.

932
00:43:05,405 --> 00:43:08,331
Yeah, so. So,

933
00:43:08,281 --> 00:43:11,125
But, you know, the. More. It was just, I think

934
00:43:11,213 --> 00:43:14,053
at the end of the day, what. And when we

935
00:43:14,077 --> 00:43:16,901
pondered about it, it was the. We talked about

936
00:43:16,941 --> 00:43:19,643
this. I think it was just too on the

937
00:43:19,667 --> 00:43:22,251
nose this year. What was always. What made the

938
00:43:22,291 --> 00:43:25,019
boys stand apart from me earlier was

939
00:43:25,155 --> 00:43:27,751
with the satire and everything and,

940
00:43:28,371 --> 00:43:31,259
and pointing out things

941
00:43:31,395 --> 00:43:34,333
in real world and, in the satirical world of the

942
00:43:34,357 --> 00:43:37,273
boys, it was always had that biting set, you

943
00:43:37,297 --> 00:43:40,089
know, the biting, so the satire. And it was

944
00:43:40,145 --> 00:43:42,821
never like, just right on the news.

945
00:43:43,281 --> 00:43:46,153
This season was just so on the news that it was sort of

946
00:43:46,177 --> 00:43:48,617
like, it didn't feel

947
00:43:48,689 --> 00:43:51,273
special. It was just like, okay, you

948
00:43:51,297 --> 00:43:53,861
know, I get it. And.

949
00:43:54,241 --> 00:43:56,761
And it just sort of lost this edge to me in that

950
00:43:56,801 --> 00:43:59,577
regard. So it is a good thing, I think Eric

951
00:43:59,609 --> 00:44:02,473
Kripke is doing the right thing by ending the show on the

952
00:44:02,497 --> 00:44:05,313
fifth season and not doing nothing. Not

953
00:44:05,337 --> 00:44:08,273
allowing a network or anybody else to force them to do, like, they was

954
00:44:08,297 --> 00:44:11,057
supernatural and going on for 15 years or whatever.

955
00:44:11,249 --> 00:44:14,145
Because it, you know, it's, It's. It's getting.

956
00:44:14,233 --> 00:44:17,153
It's getting, you know, it's, it's become the thing that

957
00:44:17,177 --> 00:44:18,321
it was parodying.

958
00:44:18,481 --> 00:44:21,121
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Just. Just to clarify,

959
00:44:21,201 --> 00:44:23,665
Eric Kirby left the show in. In season

960
00:44:23,753 --> 00:44:26,705
five, so, yeah, he

961
00:44:26,713 --> 00:44:26,977
knew.

962
00:44:27,049 --> 00:44:29,201
>> Will: So Again, he knew when to step off.

963
00:44:29,321 --> 00:44:32,251
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. The problem is his show

964
00:44:32,291 --> 00:44:35,147
was really successful and the CW wouldn't, like,

965
00:44:35,219 --> 00:44:36,871
let it go. Right.

966
00:44:37,171 --> 00:44:37,721
>> Will: Yeah.

967
00:44:38,521 --> 00:44:41,217
>> Sarah : but, yeah, I, it's

968
00:44:41,249 --> 00:44:43,421
funny. I, I,

969
00:44:43,961 --> 00:44:46,577
I agree with you to an extent, because

970
00:44:46,649 --> 00:44:49,409
while putting this together, any

971
00:44:49,465 --> 00:44:52,369
time I would look and I would see the Boys Season four,

972
00:44:52,425 --> 00:44:55,105
I would think to myself, now,

973
00:44:55,273 --> 00:44:58,273
I'm not going to put it on my top five. And it's not

974
00:44:58,297 --> 00:45:01,217
that I was disappointed, it's just that I've never

975
00:45:01,289 --> 00:45:04,241
put the Boys on my, on my

976
00:45:04,281 --> 00:45:07,105
top, I don't think. And it's

977
00:45:07,153 --> 00:45:09,621
mainly because in the moment,

978
00:45:10,281 --> 00:45:13,153
I'm fully engaged and everything. And I

979
00:45:13,177 --> 00:45:16,033
think this year, though, there were a few episodes

980
00:45:16,097 --> 00:45:19,075
where I was like, they went too far. the Homelander

981
00:45:19,123 --> 00:45:22,099
episode, I, until

982
00:45:22,235 --> 00:45:25,011
you brought it up, I thought it was like, Yeah, I

983
00:45:25,051 --> 00:45:27,831
remember that leaving a bad taste in my mouth. Even

984
00:45:27,871 --> 00:45:30,151
though Antony does an amazing

985
00:45:30,231 --> 00:45:32,983
job. Did an amazing job in that episode,

986
00:45:33,047 --> 00:45:35,687
particularly. They just, they went too

987
00:45:35,759 --> 00:45:38,571
far for me in a lot of instances.

988
00:45:39,231 --> 00:45:42,103
And, and I missed some of the

989
00:45:42,127 --> 00:45:45,095
dynamics, and I thought, I thought that

990
00:45:45,183 --> 00:45:47,799
they, they took the easy way out of some

991
00:45:47,855 --> 00:45:50,785
situations, which is very unlike them in previous

992
00:45:50,873 --> 00:45:53,749
seasons. So, so I completely respect

993
00:45:53,865 --> 00:45:56,697
you putting that on there. and,

994
00:45:56,769 --> 00:45:59,337
and it's not that we're going to bail on the final

995
00:45:59,409 --> 00:46:01,097
season, but.

996
00:46:01,169 --> 00:46:04,153
>> Will: Wait, no way. Yeah. And like I said, it was enjoyable. I mean, I

997
00:46:04,177 --> 00:46:06,985
enjoyed it, but again, judging

998
00:46:07,033 --> 00:46:08,441
against itself.

999
00:46:08,601 --> 00:46:09,581
>> Sarah : Exactly.

1000
00:46:10,001 --> 00:46:12,515
>> Will: That. it was a, it was a down season for me.

1001
00:46:12,683 --> 00:46:15,619
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's, it's not a top

1002
00:46:15,675 --> 00:46:18,563
five show of this year, which, I mean,

1003
00:46:18,667 --> 00:46:21,561
I don't have any secondary lists because

1004
00:46:21,731 --> 00:46:24,521
I'll be honest, I, I went into this year

1005
00:46:26,021 --> 00:46:28,109
and I, and I tried to watch a lot of K

1006
00:46:28,165 --> 00:46:31,149
dramas. I bailed on so many K

1007
00:46:31,205 --> 00:46:34,157
dramas. I nailed

1008
00:46:34,189 --> 00:46:36,121
on five or six.

1009
00:46:36,421 --> 00:46:39,341
>> Will: I know, bad. Yeah, I remember you telling

1010
00:46:39,421 --> 00:46:42,285
me. Started some, and then I think he told me about a couple. I

1011
00:46:42,293 --> 00:46:45,245
think I watched a few of them. Didn't finish them either. But

1012
00:46:45,253 --> 00:46:47,941
I remember us having conversations either

1013
00:46:48,061 --> 00:46:50,533
here online or, or off,

1014
00:46:50,661 --> 00:46:53,603
offline before taping or afterwards about

1015
00:46:53,707 --> 00:46:54,547
particular shows.

1016
00:46:54,579 --> 00:46:57,411
>> Sarah : So, yeah, yeah, I mean, we did both

1017
00:46:57,451 --> 00:46:59,631
watch a Killer Paradox, and,

1018
00:47:00,861 --> 00:47:03,733
but, and, and I did finish

1019
00:47:03,797 --> 00:47:06,453
Marry My Husband, which I was obsessed with at the beginning of the

1020
00:47:06,477 --> 00:47:09,381
year. But then the thing is, as

1021
00:47:09,421 --> 00:47:12,373
it went on, I started to not like the

1022
00:47:12,397 --> 00:47:14,811
main characters more and more with every

1023
00:47:14,851 --> 00:47:17,595
episode. And so by the end of it, I was just like,

1024
00:47:17,683 --> 00:47:19,991
all right, let's get it over with.

1025
00:47:21,441 --> 00:47:24,057
but I will say, I will

1026
00:47:24,129 --> 00:47:27,033
say I Have not. This show

1027
00:47:27,137 --> 00:47:30,041
has only aired five episodes. no, six

1028
00:47:30,081 --> 00:47:33,033
episodes. But so far, if I had to crown a

1029
00:47:33,057 --> 00:47:35,753
K drama of the year, and I know a lot of other people are

1030
00:47:35,777 --> 00:47:37,781
obsessed with it as much as I am.

1031
00:47:38,971 --> 00:47:41,741
when. When the phone rings,

1032
00:47:42,321 --> 00:47:44,821
it's so good. I,

1033
00:47:45,791 --> 00:47:48,727
I am worried it's gonna have the same

1034
00:47:48,799 --> 00:47:51,697
fate as, marry my husband, where

1035
00:47:51,769 --> 00:47:54,593
it's just gonna go on too long. But so far, they have done a

1036
00:47:54,617 --> 00:47:57,279
really good job with, with

1037
00:47:57,415 --> 00:48:00,271
really breaking down this husband and

1038
00:48:00,311 --> 00:48:02,601
wife. You know, understand

1039
00:48:02,721 --> 00:48:05,689
them and not get

1040
00:48:05,745 --> 00:48:07,541
too bogged down by

1041
00:48:08,641 --> 00:48:11,641
B and C storylines with cast members who don't really

1042
00:48:11,681 --> 00:48:14,361
matter. No, it's just about these two

1043
00:48:14,481 --> 00:48:17,353
and past and present and their families

1044
00:48:17,497 --> 00:48:20,393
and. And a mystery. There is a mystery that I

1045
00:48:20,417 --> 00:48:23,151
get kind of bored by, but whatever. I

1046
00:48:23,191 --> 00:48:26,111
also just. I just. For some reason, I always

1047
00:48:26,151 --> 00:48:29,009
forget this, but I really like

1048
00:48:29,065 --> 00:48:32,017
when shows use sign language. I think that's

1049
00:48:32,049 --> 00:48:34,897
so cool. And the wife in this

1050
00:48:34,969 --> 00:48:37,761
is. I will say technically,

1051
00:48:37,841 --> 00:48:40,753
she's mute. I say technically for a

1052
00:48:40,777 --> 00:48:43,569
reason, but she's mute. So she. And she knows

1053
00:48:43,585 --> 00:48:46,001
sign language and does sign language and.

1054
00:48:46,121 --> 00:48:48,919
Yeah. So, But anyway,

1055
00:48:49,015 --> 00:48:51,943
so I will give a shout out to that as well

1056
00:48:51,967 --> 00:48:54,921
as a killer paradox. The frog. I finished.

1057
00:48:55,371 --> 00:48:57,621
the frog is good, but slow.

1058
00:48:58,041 --> 00:49:00,421
And I did bail on the trunk.

1059
00:49:02,521 --> 00:49:05,473
Every time I try to put it back on, I'm like.

1060
00:49:05,577 --> 00:49:08,341
I watch for about three minutes. I'm like, nope,

1061
00:49:09,241 --> 00:49:12,191
I don't care. but I'm.

1062
00:49:12,531 --> 00:49:15,243
Yeah, so. So I don't have a top. A

1063
00:49:15,267 --> 00:49:18,193
random top five list of anything. I will. I

1064
00:49:18,217 --> 00:49:20,753
also don't have a top five reality TV

1065
00:49:20,817 --> 00:49:22,221
show, but

1066
00:49:23,801 --> 00:49:26,337
let me tell you, the best

1067
00:49:26,409 --> 00:49:29,345
reality show is

1068
00:49:29,433 --> 00:49:32,113
Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Thank you. That is

1069
00:49:32,137 --> 00:49:34,929
all. I.

1070
00:49:35,065 --> 00:49:37,841
I am. I am so invested in

1071
00:49:37,881 --> 00:49:40,769
them that I'm doing a rewatch because they're

1072
00:49:40,785 --> 00:49:43,585
in five, and I've seen all the seasons.

1073
00:49:43,633 --> 00:49:46,253
Like, I caught on, in season two when Jen Shaw got

1074
00:49:46,277 --> 00:49:48,867
arrested. Hell, yeah, I wanted to see that whole

1075
00:49:48,899 --> 00:49:49,471
thing.

1076
00:49:51,691 --> 00:49:54,595
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I've been. Speaking of reality shows, I've been meaning to

1077
00:49:54,603 --> 00:49:57,323
ask you what your thoughts on the, turnover

1078
00:49:57,663 --> 00:50:00,625
of cast on the, Vanderpump Rules. Well, we could talk about that

1079
00:50:00,649 --> 00:50:01,329
for another day.

1080
00:50:01,401 --> 00:50:03,825
>> Sarah : I don't know why this is a surprise to anybody.

1081
00:50:03,969 --> 00:50:06,865
Everyone talked about there being footage of

1082
00:50:06,889 --> 00:50:09,585
people working at Sir Restaurant in the

1083
00:50:09,609 --> 00:50:12,091
alley, that classic alleyway being

1084
00:50:12,177 --> 00:50:14,563
filmed. Like, we knew that was coming.

1085
00:50:15,193 --> 00:50:17,815
we just didn't know that the old class

1086
00:50:17,919 --> 00:50:19,803
cast would be completely gone.

1087
00:50:20,943 --> 00:50:23,175
Yeah. You watch the last season of

1088
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:25,815
Vanderpump rules. The writing is on the

1089
00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:26,603
walls.

1090
00:50:28,463 --> 00:50:31,175
They do not want to be there and be

1091
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:34,167
forced to hang out with each other anymore. And rightfully

1092
00:50:34,215 --> 00:50:34,871
so. So.

1093
00:50:34,927 --> 00:50:35,963
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

1094
00:50:36,043 --> 00:50:38,791
>> Sarah : all right, well, let's stop monkeying around

1095
00:50:38,847 --> 00:50:41,303
and get to the top five

1096
00:50:41,423 --> 00:50:44,305
shenanigans. so. So

1097
00:50:44,329 --> 00:50:46,333
do we want to go with

1098
00:50:47,753 --> 00:50:49,533
five to one?

1099
00:50:50,153 --> 00:50:52,993
Because, like, the

1100
00:50:53,033 --> 00:50:55,809
end of my list is where things get messy. So why don't

1101
00:50:55,841 --> 00:50:57,693
you lead off, my friend?

1102
00:50:58,793 --> 00:51:01,093
>> Will: So, and

1103
00:51:01,473 --> 00:51:04,403
you're right, I had the same problem too.

1104
00:51:04,853 --> 00:51:06,713
you know, putting things,

1105
00:51:07,823 --> 00:51:10,519
as far as top five. And I, you know,

1106
00:51:10,591 --> 00:51:12,727
there's a lot of

1107
00:51:12,735 --> 00:51:15,639
scratches for the fifth

1108
00:51:15,671 --> 00:51:18,455
spot, but in the fifth spot for.

1109
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:20,253
On my list is supercell.

1110
00:51:22,343 --> 00:51:25,167
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1111
00:51:25,215 --> 00:51:26,983
It, knocked off a.

1112
00:51:28,033 --> 00:51:30,905
Knocked off Agatha. Actually. I

1113
00:51:30,929 --> 00:51:33,593
was going back. I was going back and forth between those

1114
00:51:33,633 --> 00:51:36,169
two as far as that last spot. And

1115
00:51:36,321 --> 00:51:39,177
it. Yeah, and I think it was just something fresh

1116
00:51:39,225 --> 00:51:41,643
about it. a story that

1117
00:51:42,663 --> 00:51:45,413
we, you know, had. Yes, there were

1118
00:51:45,453 --> 00:51:48,071
some derivative things from, other

1119
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,983
parts of the genre, but I just really liked

1120
00:51:51,015 --> 00:51:53,809
how that it was a

1121
00:51:53,833 --> 00:51:56,557
show that took a real world

1122
00:51:57,497 --> 00:52:00,497
genetic disease

1123
00:52:00,577 --> 00:52:03,427
disorder and put it into a,

1124
00:52:03,377 --> 00:52:06,153
context of the superhero world and then just

1125
00:52:06,177 --> 00:52:08,981
seeing the lives of regular people

1126
00:52:10,641 --> 00:52:13,301
in South London just trying to

1127
00:52:14,481 --> 00:52:17,289
come to grips and come to

1128
00:52:17,345 --> 00:52:20,153
terms with, getting superpowers and the

1129
00:52:20,177 --> 00:52:23,101
story that, the protagonist had

1130
00:52:23,141 --> 00:52:26,029
as far as with. With his

1131
00:52:26,085 --> 00:52:28,765
powers and the m. Things that he was trying to accomplish. Because

1132
00:52:28,933 --> 00:52:31,853
I don't want to give too much away because some folks may have not watched it

1133
00:52:31,877 --> 00:52:34,857
yet, but, it was just really. I, just

1134
00:52:34,881 --> 00:52:37,865
thought it was just a very compelling show. And it is

1135
00:52:37,905 --> 00:52:40,665
one that, you know, one of the things that we always

1136
00:52:40,705 --> 00:52:43,417
talk. We talk about sometimes is like a show sticking with

1137
00:52:43,441 --> 00:52:46,393
you, and when you watch it, you just. It just stays

1138
00:52:46,409 --> 00:52:49,319
with you. And it's one that, of the shows that I watched this year

1139
00:52:49,343 --> 00:52:52,103
was this one that just stayed with me that. Whereas

1140
00:52:52,135 --> 00:52:54,823
Agatha was like, yeah, I enjoyed

1141
00:52:54,855 --> 00:52:57,397
it, but it wasn't like, you, know,

1142
00:52:58,017 --> 00:53:01,001
I wasn't like, thinking about it, like, you know, just randomly throughout the

1143
00:53:01,009 --> 00:53:01,557
day.

1144
00:53:02,177 --> 00:53:04,905
>> Sarah : I have that issue with so many shows this year.

1145
00:53:05,041 --> 00:53:07,467
Yeah, I m.

1146
00:53:10,257 --> 00:53:12,677
>> Will: What was your. Was your. What was your fifth show?

1147
00:53:15,507 --> 00:53:18,427
>> Sarah : I'm staring at my list and, and like,

1148
00:53:18,547 --> 00:53:21,499
you guys, everyone please take this stuff with a grain of

1149
00:53:21,523 --> 00:53:23,327
salt because honestly,

1150
00:53:23,747 --> 00:53:26,187
arguably slots three

1151
00:53:26,307 --> 00:53:27,687
through six,

1152
00:53:31,587 --> 00:53:34,475
the interchangeable. Okay, I'm just gonna tell you

1153
00:53:34,531 --> 00:53:37,483
number six. I. I currently have on my list

1154
00:53:37,635 --> 00:53:40,547
because I want to talk about this. Tell

1155
00:53:40,587 --> 00:53:42,047
me Lies, season two.

1156
00:53:42,827 --> 00:53:44,567
Okay, Okay.

1157
00:53:45,547 --> 00:53:48,547
I am on the fence about putting it on my

1158
00:53:48,587 --> 00:53:51,379
list because is it a good TV show? Arguably,

1159
00:53:51,443 --> 00:53:54,227
no, it's trash tv, but it's brilliant at the same

1160
00:53:54,267 --> 00:53:56,647
time. It's really good trash tv.

1161
00:53:57,067 --> 00:53:59,651
and season two was

1162
00:53:59,819 --> 00:54:02,691
very, like, much stronger than season

1163
00:54:02,779 --> 00:54:05,427
one because I started this show with

1164
00:54:05,467 --> 00:54:08,277
season two, got caught up,

1165
00:54:08,657 --> 00:54:11,337
realized that the season had it and

1166
00:54:11,377 --> 00:54:14,329
ended, and I was like, I want more. So I went all

1167
00:54:14,353 --> 00:54:17,279
the way back, started season one. Like,

1168
00:54:17,335 --> 00:54:20,207
that's how. Now, granted, we've talked

1169
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,991
about this. Did majority of the time. Did I have

1170
00:54:23,031 --> 00:54:25,891
season one playing while I was doing other stuff? Yes.

1171
00:54:26,791 --> 00:54:29,663
That's why, that's why, like, do

1172
00:54:29,687 --> 00:54:32,651
I put it on my list or do I not? I just,

1173
00:54:33,381 --> 00:54:36,237
I, I, I don't know.

1174
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:38,669
That's why it's number six right now. But

1175
00:54:38,725 --> 00:54:41,629
granted, what currently is on,

1176
00:54:41,685 --> 00:54:44,189
and I can't stress it enough, everyone, what

1177
00:54:44,245 --> 00:54:47,021
currently I have on number five

1178
00:54:47,141 --> 00:54:50,121
is not one, but two shows. Because, Will,

1179
00:54:51,781 --> 00:54:54,573
because I'm glad you asked. Why do I have two

1180
00:54:54,677 --> 00:54:57,581
as number five? Because to me, these shows sit at the same

1181
00:54:57,621 --> 00:55:00,613
table. Okay. You already brought one of them up. The

1182
00:55:00,637 --> 00:55:03,045
Bear, season three. Okay. Was it a

1183
00:55:03,053 --> 00:55:05,961
disappointment? Absolutely.

1184
00:55:07,021 --> 00:55:09,877
Was it boring? And did it frustrate me

1185
00:55:09,949 --> 00:55:12,901
that, that,

1186
00:55:13,021 --> 00:55:14,721
that, like,

1187
00:55:15,821 --> 00:55:18,469
the characters, our main characters go

1188
00:55:18,525 --> 00:55:20,921
nowhere? Absolutely.

1189
00:55:21,981 --> 00:55:24,581
Did I laugh out loud when spoiler alert, John

1190
00:55:24,621 --> 00:55:26,681
Scene N shows up randomly?

1191
00:55:28,061 --> 00:55:28,677
>> Will: Yes.

1192
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:31,493
>> Sarah : Will, have I rewatched the season?

1193
00:55:31,677 --> 00:55:32,261
No.

1194
00:55:32,381 --> 00:55:32,805
>> Will: No.

1195
00:55:32,893 --> 00:55:34,361
>> Sarah : Will, I? Yes.

1196
00:55:36,301 --> 00:55:38,901
>> Will: We'll both, we'll both watch it in June before season

1197
00:55:38,941 --> 00:55:39,521
four.

1198
00:55:41,581 --> 00:55:44,581
>> Sarah : Probably gonna watch it within the next two weeks. You know,

1199
00:55:44,621 --> 00:55:47,573
just do a complete. Because what my thing about

1200
00:55:47,597 --> 00:55:50,453
the Bear is, I had this experience with season two when

1201
00:55:50,477 --> 00:55:53,237
I, when I rewatch season one, I'm probably gonna go straight

1202
00:55:53,269 --> 00:55:56,149
through, and then by the time season two, I'll want more, and then I'll

1203
00:55:56,165 --> 00:55:59,085
be on season season three. So that's why I couldn't

1204
00:55:59,133 --> 00:56:01,981
not put it on my list, because I'm like, I still am so

1205
00:56:02,021 --> 00:56:04,893
invested in the show, just like I am

1206
00:56:04,917 --> 00:56:06,093
with House of Dragon.

1207
00:56:06,237 --> 00:56:07,069
>> Will: Yep.

1208
00:56:07,245 --> 00:56:10,221
>> Sarah : Okay. I can't not have House

1209
00:56:10,261 --> 00:56:13,101
of Dragon Season 2 on my list at the

1210
00:56:13,141 --> 00:56:15,549
same time. Every time I think about that

1211
00:56:15,605 --> 00:56:18,413
show, I think about the ending

1212
00:56:18,477 --> 00:56:21,261
montage and how much that is a sin in my

1213
00:56:21,301 --> 00:56:24,041
mind. So it goes in the number five slot.

1214
00:56:24,121 --> 00:56:27,021
Okay. And in my opinion,

1215
00:56:27,361 --> 00:56:30,121
both of these shows committed the

1216
00:56:30,161 --> 00:56:32,873
biggest crime with. In my

1217
00:56:32,897 --> 00:56:35,449
opinion, I can't stress that enough because I know Will

1218
00:56:35,505 --> 00:56:37,061
disagrees with me about this.

1219
00:56:37,921 --> 00:56:40,501
Like, the characters don't grow

1220
00:56:40,801 --> 00:56:43,401
where I feel like in both seasons of

1221
00:56:43,441 --> 00:56:46,409
tv, we start in One place and we

1222
00:56:46,465 --> 00:56:49,449
end up exactly where we started. And I'm like, what

1223
00:56:49,505 --> 00:56:51,971
is happening here? Nothing.

1224
00:56:52,631 --> 00:56:55,171
So that's why I couldn't

1225
00:56:55,911 --> 00:56:58,811
not have these shows on my list. But I also

1226
00:56:59,191 --> 00:57:02,063
like they, they sit at the same table this year.

1227
00:57:02,167 --> 00:57:05,023
Like they there. What I am

1228
00:57:05,127 --> 00:57:07,487
holding against them are the same

1229
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:10,431
things. So. And arguably what. Why

1230
00:57:10,471 --> 00:57:13,119
I'm keeping them are for this.

1231
00:57:13,175 --> 00:57:15,903
Like their merits are similar of

1232
00:57:15,927 --> 00:57:17,521
value as well. So.

1233
00:57:17,641 --> 00:57:20,321
>> Will: Yeah, that's completely,

1234
00:57:20,401 --> 00:57:23,169
that's completely fair. And I, you know, the,

1235
00:57:23,305 --> 00:57:26,157
the And that is a good segue

1236
00:57:26,189 --> 00:57:28,521
to my fourth show which is House of the Dragon.

1237
00:57:29,761 --> 00:57:32,297
I, it despite this,

1238
00:57:32,449 --> 00:57:34,383
I, I, I agree

1239
00:57:35,963 --> 00:57:38,915
as we have now, you know, we're at the end of the year and has

1240
00:57:38,939 --> 00:57:41,471
a little bit of distance from it. You're right. I mean

1241
00:57:41,627 --> 00:57:44,199
in many ways there was not too

1242
00:57:44,271 --> 00:57:45,803
much. There wasn't

1243
00:57:46,623 --> 00:57:49,111
to growth with these

1244
00:57:49,167 --> 00:57:52,055
characters and stuff and compared

1245
00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:55,047
to the first season. But at the end

1246
00:57:55,055 --> 00:57:55,923
of the day,

1247
00:57:57,843 --> 00:58:00,263
I, you know, I just,

1248
00:58:01,203 --> 00:58:04,091
it's the staying power with this show and just

1249
00:58:04,147 --> 00:58:07,105
the, for me at least. And I

1250
00:58:07,129 --> 00:58:09,613
just really I like

1251
00:58:09,653 --> 00:58:12,233
Damon's arc. and,

1252
00:58:12,613 --> 00:58:15,549
and, and just every.

1253
00:58:15,621 --> 00:58:18,413
Everything. I know that we were really hoping,

1254
00:58:18,493 --> 00:58:21,229
you know, a lot of folks are really hoping for the battle

1255
00:58:21,261 --> 00:58:23,741
Rooks Rest was going to be a big, big piece of

1256
00:58:23,797 --> 00:58:26,717
the show. I just, you know,

1257
00:58:26,805 --> 00:58:28,393
at the end of the day I think they

1258
00:58:29,333 --> 00:58:32,237
understand that they didn't have the budget to do all the things they wanted to

1259
00:58:32,245 --> 00:58:35,133
do and they cut the season short. But I do feel

1260
00:58:35,173 --> 00:58:38,023
like it was. Was it as good as the first season? No. But

1261
00:58:38,063 --> 00:58:40,843
it still was a damn fine

1262
00:58:41,423 --> 00:58:44,295
show for, for the year for me at

1263
00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:46,963
least. and Yeah, just, you know,

1264
00:58:47,263 --> 00:58:49,703
couldn't definitely my top

1265
00:58:49,743 --> 00:58:52,551
five. But I think four, four or five

1266
00:58:52,607 --> 00:58:54,483
is probably the appropriate place for it.

1267
00:58:55,423 --> 00:58:55,799
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1268
00:58:55,831 --> 00:58:57,047
>> Will: No. Hi. No higher.

1269
00:58:57,215 --> 00:59:00,103
>> Sarah : Yeah, because. Because. Which brings me to

1270
00:59:00,143 --> 00:59:02,683
my, my number four, which could easily

1271
00:59:03,063 --> 00:59:05,855
go below the Bear and

1272
00:59:05,959 --> 00:59:08,831
House of Dragon. I just every time I think about

1273
00:59:08,887 --> 00:59:11,775
those two, I think about the ending of House of

1274
00:59:11,799 --> 00:59:14,655
Dragon, which infuriates me. So I'm like, nope,

1275
00:59:14,719 --> 00:59:16,815
staying at number five because my number four is

1276
00:59:16,839 --> 00:59:19,679
Agatha. And the only reason why I'm

1277
00:59:19,711 --> 00:59:21,523
like Agatha had a better ending

1278
00:59:26,183 --> 00:59:28,603
like this is why I'm saying

1279
00:59:28,903 --> 00:59:31,399
my list is a complete mess. Because

1280
00:59:31,471 --> 00:59:34,455
arguably I could make so many different

1281
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:37,495
arguments for these shows to be jumbled and

1282
00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:39,443
we haven't even gotten into number three.

1283
00:59:41,423 --> 00:59:44,375
I am not confident about my list at

1284
00:59:44,399 --> 00:59:47,111
all. It's just, it's.

1285
00:59:47,207 --> 00:59:50,023
These are just where they landed and I

1286
00:59:50,063 --> 00:59:52,823
didn't haven't really thought to

1287
00:59:52,863 --> 00:59:55,703
change them because is.

1288
00:59:55,823 --> 00:59:57,973
Did Agatha stick with me? Not

1289
00:59:58,013 --> 01:00:00,581
necessarily. I think. I think it

1290
01:00:00,637 --> 01:00:03,605
started good or it had a great re.

1291
01:00:03,629 --> 01:00:06,313
Entry into the world of Wandavision.

1292
01:00:06,653 --> 01:00:09,553
And then it kind of lost,

1293
01:00:10,183 --> 01:00:12,671
a bit of ground during the middle. It got a bit

1294
01:00:12,727 --> 01:00:15,519
shaky. Got a bit too. Okay.

1295
01:00:15,631 --> 01:00:18,543
But it was saving it for like the last three episodes.

1296
01:00:18,623 --> 01:00:21,567
Three or four episodes, which really hammered

1297
01:00:21,615 --> 01:00:24,437
it home. And it was like, wow. They. They pulled

1298
01:00:24,485 --> 01:00:27,269
a. What The. They pulled a. Why didn't we see that coming?

1299
01:00:27,341 --> 01:00:30,037
And they're. The. The ending was.

1300
01:00:30,125 --> 01:00:32,661
Was one of the best endings we had all

1301
01:00:32,717 --> 01:00:35,589
year. So for. For all of that,

1302
01:00:35,661 --> 01:00:38,619
that's why it's on the list. And, that's

1303
01:00:38,651 --> 01:00:41,627
why I, I felt like it was appropriate to put it above

1304
01:00:41,675 --> 01:00:42,543
the bear.

1305
01:00:44,643 --> 01:00:47,285
>> Will: I can't argue with that. I, You know, these are all subjective

1306
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:50,317
and you know, I would. I can't. I would definitely want to

1307
01:00:50,325 --> 01:00:52,987
make sure. I, want to hear our listeners give their

1308
01:00:53,027 --> 01:00:55,899
rank rankings of the shows that we've talked about or things that we

1309
01:00:55,923 --> 01:00:58,283
haven't talked about. Because I would love to see whether

1310
01:00:58,355 --> 01:01:01,259
people have been thinking about the year in television in

1311
01:01:01,283 --> 01:01:04,249
2024. So, and with that, ah, I will go

1312
01:01:04,273 --> 01:01:06,037
to my third show

1313
01:01:06,737 --> 01:01:09,609
and you probably won't. You

1314
01:01:09,633 --> 01:01:12,441
won't be surprised when I say this, but Mr. Mr.

1315
01:01:12,489 --> 01:01:13,197
Smith.

1316
01:01:13,617 --> 01:01:16,569
>> Sarah : I was going to say, I bet you it was Mr. And

1317
01:01:16,593 --> 01:01:19,037
Mrs. Smith because I was doing the math,

1318
01:01:20,757 --> 01:01:22,977
I was doing the calculation and I'm like, hm.

1319
01:01:23,445 --> 01:01:26,157
But. But then last minute I was like,

1320
01:01:26,277 --> 01:01:28,337
or is he gonna pull a fallout?

1321
01:01:28,837 --> 01:01:31,325
>> Will: No, no, no. The only one, the only other thing that could

1322
01:01:31,381 --> 01:01:34,189
possibly would have. But it's not. It would be

1323
01:01:34,213 --> 01:01:35,501
X Men 97.

1324
01:01:35,669 --> 01:01:38,653
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, I was, I was looking at that too. And it's like, it's.

1325
01:01:38,685 --> 01:01:41,357
We're gonna pull an X Men 97. But. But

1326
01:01:41,397 --> 01:01:44,093
yeah, so go ahead and talk to us about Mr. And Mrs.

1327
01:01:44,125 --> 01:01:44,597
Smith.

1328
01:01:44,717 --> 01:01:47,669
>> Will: It was just a really. I just really. And

1329
01:01:47,693 --> 01:01:50,661
you know, when we talked about it last February and,

1330
01:01:50,749 --> 01:01:53,637
And it was just a show that really just resonated with

1331
01:01:53,677 --> 01:01:56,471
me. I think just the, I think the, the chemistry

1332
01:01:56,519 --> 01:01:59,507
between Donald Glover and Maya Erskine, the

1333
01:01:59,887 --> 01:02:02,791
things that. Where, you

1334
01:02:02,799 --> 01:02:05,107
know, you have these characters thrown together

1335
01:02:05,407 --> 01:02:08,359
to find, you know, to. Ah. And

1336
01:02:08,463 --> 01:02:11,069
the growth. Speaking of character growth

1337
01:02:11,223 --> 01:02:14,129
and the relationship growth over the season, I mean they went through

1338
01:02:14,153 --> 01:02:17,041
the whole arc of a relationship and,

1339
01:02:17,129 --> 01:02:19,649
and, and, and where it.

1340
01:02:19,753 --> 01:02:22,609
And, and speaking of endings and even though the

1341
01:02:22,633 --> 01:02:25,521
ending left me, it's. Again, I don't want to

1342
01:02:25,529 --> 01:02:27,837
spoil. But it's one of those endings where

1343
01:02:30,137 --> 01:02:32,797
I. It's still like man.

1344
01:02:33,337 --> 01:02:36,207
And I just don't. It

1345
01:02:36,187 --> 01:02:39,097
just sticks with me. It was like. And I hope we get some resolution

1346
01:02:39,129 --> 01:02:42,073
to it, some way we wouldn't because we do know it was renewed for

1347
01:02:42,097 --> 01:02:44,741
a second season and

1348
01:02:45,441 --> 01:02:48,159
it was just a, you know, it took

1349
01:02:48,215 --> 01:02:51,023
a known property of, of a

1350
01:02:51,047 --> 01:02:53,807
movie that was done years ago,

1351
01:02:53,959 --> 01:02:56,863
put its own spin on it and. And it was just

1352
01:02:56,887 --> 01:02:59,887
a very, very satisfying

1353
01:02:59,999 --> 01:03:02,949
block of television that really, just really

1354
01:03:03,005 --> 01:03:05,781
as far as. As you said this year

1355
01:03:05,821 --> 01:03:08,613
was kind of up and down. But that one just really to me

1356
01:03:08,637 --> 01:03:10,321
just was one that

1357
01:03:11,261 --> 01:03:14,053
rose to the top. As far as my top three

1358
01:03:14,077 --> 01:03:15,601
shows that I've watched this year.

1359
01:03:16,461 --> 01:03:19,251
>> Sarah : Yeah. it's similar to my

1360
01:03:19,291 --> 01:03:21,231
number three, Nobody Wants this.

1361
01:03:22,201 --> 01:03:24,993
which for a moment there was like, I'm going to. I'm going to

1362
01:03:25,097 --> 01:03:27,819
give Nobody Wants it it's accolades

1363
01:03:27,945 --> 01:03:30,291
at number. Number five.

1364
01:03:30,911 --> 01:03:33,651
And then I thought about the other shows and was like, no.

1365
01:03:34,831 --> 01:03:37,831
Because this is one of the few shows this year that

1366
01:03:37,871 --> 01:03:40,567
I watched and I have rewatched. I've

1367
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:42,531
rewatched one and a half times

1368
01:03:44,351 --> 01:03:47,079
because it's very easy, half hour

1369
01:03:47,135 --> 01:03:49,735
episode and it. And it's charming and I've

1370
01:03:49,783 --> 01:03:52,583
rewatched it and I still find the

1371
01:03:52,607 --> 01:03:55,469
supporting cast to be lovely.

1372
01:03:55,645 --> 01:03:57,645
I don't get bored by their

1373
01:03:57,733 --> 01:04:00,201
storylines. I'm not,

1374
01:04:02,101 --> 01:04:04,891
I'm not fully annoyed

1375
01:04:04,971 --> 01:04:07,671
with the main characters and the romance between

1376
01:04:08,601 --> 01:04:11,601
Criston Bell and Adam Brody. They actually do have

1377
01:04:11,641 --> 01:04:14,289
really good chemistry and I feel

1378
01:04:14,345 --> 01:04:17,169
like though they're the will they,

1379
01:04:17,225 --> 01:04:19,697
won't they of it all makes

1380
01:04:19,769 --> 01:04:22,651
sense with the stakes

1381
01:04:23,001 --> 01:04:25,751
that they've stepped at, set up in the sense that

1382
01:04:25,791 --> 01:04:28,695
he's a rabbi, she's not Jewish. That's a

1383
01:04:28,703 --> 01:04:31,319
big issue. Like their

1384
01:04:31,375 --> 01:04:34,231
relationship issues are adult

1385
01:04:34,311 --> 01:04:37,143
relationship issues and

1386
01:04:37,167 --> 01:04:39,983
they explored that in a

1387
01:04:40,007 --> 01:04:42,367
very funny and romantic

1388
01:04:42,399 --> 01:04:45,337
comedy way. So it was. It's

1389
01:04:45,369 --> 01:04:47,943
refreshing. And Yeah,

1390
01:04:48,007 --> 01:04:50,823
I just, I feel like it's something

1391
01:04:50,927 --> 01:04:53,815
that. I don't know. It's not. It doesn't stick

1392
01:04:53,863 --> 01:04:56,743
with me. But I will rewatch it and I am

1393
01:04:56,767 --> 01:04:59,741
looking forward to season two. even though

1394
01:04:59,781 --> 01:05:02,061
I heard some writer

1395
01:05:02,141 --> 01:05:04,761
changes and I don't know and

1396
01:05:05,461 --> 01:05:07,997
I'm hm. Definitely invested

1397
01:05:08,109 --> 01:05:10,891
in the Sasha series sister

1398
01:05:11,391 --> 01:05:14,215
storyline. But I also foresee

1399
01:05:14,263 --> 01:05:17,143
that that not happening just because they don't want the

1400
01:05:17,167 --> 01:05:19,559
sister to be a home wrecker. Which makes

1401
01:05:19,615 --> 01:05:22,439
sense. But still the chemistry between

1402
01:05:22,495 --> 01:05:23,971
those two. Come on,

1403
01:05:25,551 --> 01:05:26,571
home wreck.

1404
01:05:28,051 --> 01:05:30,471
yeah. And so, and so

1405
01:05:31,171 --> 01:05:33,755
that leads you to your number two. Right.

1406
01:05:33,923 --> 01:05:35,671
Which is fun. Right?

1407
01:05:36,611 --> 01:05:37,871
>> Will: Actually, it's Penguin.

1408
01:05:39,011 --> 01:05:41,883
>> Sarah : See? See, I knew you could have

1409
01:05:41,907 --> 01:05:44,763
done either way. You could have gone either way

1410
01:05:44,787 --> 01:05:47,611
on it. And just despite me,

1411
01:05:47,651 --> 01:05:49,791
you're like, I'm gonna put Shogun

1412
01:05:50,211 --> 01:05:52,811
as number one because

1413
01:05:52,851 --> 01:05:55,067
Sarah's not even gonna have it on our list.

1414
01:05:55,219 --> 01:05:57,111
>> Will: Nope, I know you wouldn't, but.

1415
01:05:57,891 --> 01:06:00,547
Or maybe you do, I don't know. but, yeah,

1416
01:06:00,579 --> 01:06:03,539
Penguin was number two. And it was hard. I mean, I was going back and forth

1417
01:06:03,555 --> 01:06:06,291
with both with these two because they were just

1418
01:06:08,111 --> 01:06:11,111
Penguin. Just. You know, there's this. Shows, like.

1419
01:06:11,151 --> 01:06:13,831
And we said this with. With when we started talking about

1420
01:06:13,871 --> 01:06:16,759
it. It was the sequel, it was the

1421
01:06:16,815 --> 01:06:19,815
spin off that I didn't know that I needed to have. But I'm so

1422
01:06:19,823 --> 01:06:20,851
glad I got it

1423
01:06:22,191 --> 01:06:25,005
because, you know, they're, taking a character

1424
01:06:25,053 --> 01:06:27,921
that was in the Batman. I've only watched the Batman

1425
01:06:28,901 --> 01:06:31,773
once. Like, all the way through I've seen. And then, like, I may

1426
01:06:31,797 --> 01:06:34,039
have, like, turned it on, but turned it off.

1427
01:06:34,205 --> 01:06:37,123
But they took a character that didn't have,

1428
01:06:37,147 --> 01:06:39,923
you know, had a few, you know, had about five, six, seven

1429
01:06:39,947 --> 01:06:42,915
scenes or whatever in the movie total. And then they built

1430
01:06:42,963 --> 01:06:45,923
this universe, they built this story around him, and. And

1431
01:06:45,947 --> 01:06:48,467
they made me care about a villain, a

1432
01:06:48,619 --> 01:06:51,111
sociopathic killer.

1433
01:06:52,091 --> 01:06:54,963
And I was reading for the guy and all the

1434
01:06:54,987 --> 01:06:57,859
twists and turns that we talked about, you know, over the

1435
01:06:57,915 --> 01:07:00,671
course of the episodes this season. And,

1436
01:07:01,291 --> 01:07:03,731
you know, it was just. It was just Mag. It was

1437
01:07:03,771 --> 01:07:06,611
just like to. To quote,

1438
01:07:06,561 --> 01:07:09,247
Bruce Wayne and, Batman begins when.

1439
01:07:09,351 --> 01:07:12,241
Whenever, Alfred's, like, giving him of her,

1440
01:07:12,281 --> 01:07:15,217
like, taking a Batmobile

1441
01:07:15,249 --> 01:07:18,001
across all the roofs. And he was like, what is that?

1442
01:07:18,041 --> 01:07:20,993
Damn good. Damn good television? Because it was. It was

1443
01:07:21,017 --> 01:07:23,553
just. Just really, really good. And I

1444
01:07:23,577 --> 01:07:26,497
just. It was. It was. Like I said it was hard between

1445
01:07:26,569 --> 01:07:29,303
these two shows. Which one was second, which one was

1446
01:07:29,327 --> 01:07:32,277
first? But, Penguin

1447
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:33,441
was my number two.

1448
01:07:35,341 --> 01:07:38,299
>> Sarah : So. So what came. What came, down

1449
01:07:38,355 --> 01:07:40,391
to it for making it number two.

1450
01:07:41,971 --> 01:07:43,751
>> Sarah : Besides me.

1451
01:07:45,731 --> 01:07:46,875
No, go ahead.

1452
01:07:47,043 --> 01:07:49,841
>> Will: No, No. What it was. Honestly,

1453
01:07:49,921 --> 01:07:52,913
it was, Somebody had to get.

1454
01:07:52,937 --> 01:07:55,537
Somebody had to get a top spot. It was really a coin flip. I mean,

1455
01:07:55,609 --> 01:07:58,561
honestly, it really was a coin flip because, I mean, I could.

1456
01:07:58,601 --> 01:08:01,473
If you talk to me tomorrow, I might have a different list. But when I

1457
01:08:01,497 --> 01:08:04,301
put. When I was putting it together,

1458
01:08:05,621 --> 01:08:08,493
Yeah, I mean, it was. Yeah, I mean, it was just my

1459
01:08:08,517 --> 01:08:11,481
gut at the time, I was just like, one show had to be one,

1460
01:08:11,537 --> 01:08:14,457
and I couldn't do one a. Because that's kind of cheating. So somebody had

1461
01:08:14,465 --> 01:08:16,653
to. So somebody had to Be two. So it was the Penguin.

1462
01:08:17,193 --> 01:08:20,129
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, y'all wrote

1463
01:08:20,161 --> 01:08:22,737
that down, right? Will doesn't have an answer. He did it despite

1464
01:08:22,825 --> 01:08:23,453
me.

1465
01:08:24,313 --> 01:08:25,969
>> Will: no, no, not at all.

1466
01:08:26,121 --> 01:08:29,041
>> Sarah : I was playing by the rules and

1467
01:08:29,177 --> 01:08:31,713
I clearly, because we've all talked about my

1468
01:08:31,753 --> 01:08:34,503
shenanigans, but they're at lower spots.

1469
01:08:34,583 --> 01:08:37,495
I took one and two spots very seriously. And for a

1470
01:08:37,519 --> 01:08:39,363
long time, this was my number one.

1471
01:08:40,243 --> 01:08:43,043
but. But then I couldn't. I couldn't do what

1472
01:08:43,083 --> 01:08:45,943
Will just did and not, have

1473
01:08:45,983 --> 01:08:48,791
Penguin, which was the best television show of this year,

1474
01:08:48,927 --> 01:08:51,719
as my number one. And, So.

1475
01:08:51,871 --> 01:08:54,723
So, Will, do you have any guests about my number two?

1476
01:08:57,103 --> 01:08:58,523
Any guest.

1477
01:09:01,023 --> 01:09:03,959
>> Will: Alrighty. Any guess wouldn't be a killer

1478
01:09:03,991 --> 01:09:04,923
paradox.

1479
01:09:08,073 --> 01:09:09,169
The scene.

1480
01:09:09,361 --> 01:09:11,733
>> Sarah : I can't believe that was even in the running.

1481
01:09:13,673 --> 01:09:14,973
>> Will: Three. Body problem?

1482
01:09:15,433 --> 01:09:18,241
>> Sarah : No. Like, that's funny. You think?

1483
01:09:18,297 --> 01:09:21,133
I like that show way more than I did.

1484
01:09:23,193 --> 01:09:26,081
Okay, you're not gonna guess it,

1485
01:09:26,053 --> 01:09:28,719
because you have probably forgotten about this show

1486
01:09:28,871 --> 01:09:31,423
because we did not cover it and it was

1487
01:09:31,463 --> 01:09:34,123
released in, I think, March of this year.

1488
01:09:34,703 --> 01:09:37,653
so, my. My number one or my number two show

1489
01:09:37,693 --> 01:09:38,833
is one day.

1490
01:09:39,293 --> 01:09:42,149
>> Will: Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah.

1491
01:09:42,181 --> 01:09:44,821
Yeah, that makes total sense. Makes total sense.

1492
01:09:44,997 --> 01:09:47,605
>> Sarah : Yeah, it makes total sense. Because for

1493
01:09:47,629 --> 01:09:50,415
those who, did not hear me

1494
01:09:50,519 --> 01:09:53,183
talk about one day, let me fill in.

1495
01:09:53,303 --> 01:09:56,043
I have history with this property, so.

1496
01:09:56,343 --> 01:09:59,305
So one day. my. My history and

1497
01:09:59,329 --> 01:10:01,977
love affair with this story starts when I read the

1498
01:10:01,985 --> 01:10:04,889
book over a decade ago, multiple

1499
01:10:04,921 --> 01:10:07,865
times in preparation for the movie. Watch the

1500
01:10:07,889 --> 01:10:10,745
movie one time, hated the movie. And

1501
01:10:10,769 --> 01:10:13,513
then fast forward, I see this coming out. I watch

1502
01:10:13,553 --> 01:10:16,293
it. I know what's going to happen.

1503
01:10:17,473 --> 01:10:20,313
And yet I wept like a baby during the

1504
01:10:20,353 --> 01:10:22,521
final episode. And not

1505
01:10:22,577 --> 01:10:25,401
necessarily because of what happens, but because

1506
01:10:25,457 --> 01:10:28,153
of the performances. And I stand by that to this

1507
01:10:28,193 --> 01:10:30,683
day because of the performances.

1508
01:10:31,023 --> 01:10:33,843
It broke my heart. And,

1509
01:10:33,943 --> 01:10:36,933
it proved I'm not completely dead inside. And. Have I

1510
01:10:36,973 --> 01:10:39,653
rewatched it? Yes. Have I rewatched that episode?

1511
01:10:39,733 --> 01:10:40,353
No.

1512
01:10:41,853 --> 01:10:42,593
>> Will: No.

1513
01:10:43,293 --> 01:10:46,085
>> Sarah : Also, I might have even fast forward through some

1514
01:10:46,109 --> 01:10:48,593
scenes in that episode just to get to the end

1515
01:10:50,173 --> 01:10:53,125
when it's a little bit happier. And I'm like. I'm like, I

1516
01:10:53,149 --> 01:10:56,079
can't. I can't watch. Watch those scenes ever again because it'll tear

1517
01:10:56,111 --> 01:10:58,387
me apart. But, the.

1518
01:10:58,475 --> 01:11:00,063
The. I.

1519
01:11:01,723 --> 01:11:04,387
A part of me wants to tell everyone to go and watch this.

1520
01:11:04,475 --> 01:11:06,943
Watch this show. another part of me is just

1521
01:11:06,983 --> 01:11:09,775
like. I also had a very unique experience

1522
01:11:09,879 --> 01:11:12,683
because while I was watching it, I

1523
01:11:13,063 --> 01:11:15,935
would realize what was taken from the book and what

1524
01:11:15,959 --> 01:11:18,895
was also how they did it differently in the movie.

1525
01:11:18,959 --> 01:11:21,883
And granted I've only seen the movie one time, so it was a very

1526
01:11:22,523 --> 01:11:25,363
surreal experience for me because I've seen

1527
01:11:25,403 --> 01:11:27,331
this story now in three different

1528
01:11:27,387 --> 01:11:28,423
mediums

1529
01:11:30,203 --> 01:11:33,155
and then for it to still have that emotional effect,

1530
01:11:33,339 --> 01:11:36,083
it's just. Overall, I really adore the

1531
01:11:36,123 --> 01:11:39,123
story and I do think some people

1532
01:11:39,163 --> 01:11:41,955
disagree, but I do think they got the

1533
01:11:41,979 --> 01:11:44,643
chemistry right between Dex and

1534
01:11:44,683 --> 01:11:47,155
Emma and that's why it works so

1535
01:11:47,179 --> 01:11:50,005
well. And, it

1536
01:11:50,029 --> 01:11:52,885
was really easy. I was surprised. One of the episodes

1537
01:11:52,949 --> 01:11:55,525
is only like 20 to 15 minutes

1538
01:11:55,589 --> 01:11:58,247
long. so they didn't belabor

1539
01:11:58,295 --> 01:12:01,045
anything. But they also, gave a lot of the

1540
01:12:01,069 --> 01:12:03,445
story beats what it

1541
01:12:03,469 --> 01:12:06,453
deserved because it's a long book.

1542
01:12:06,933 --> 01:12:09,613
but they managed to. I think it's 10

1543
01:12:09,653 --> 01:12:12,615
episodes if I'm not mistaken. And like

1544
01:12:12,639 --> 01:12:15,367
I said, it ranges from like 40 minutes to 14

1545
01:12:15,455 --> 01:12:18,263
minutes. So. So, but, but yeah,

1546
01:12:18,343 --> 01:12:21,043
it was my number one for a long time

1547
01:12:21,983 --> 01:12:24,983
and then, and then the Penguin happened and it was

1548
01:12:25,023 --> 01:12:27,843
still my number one. And I'm just going to go into this

1549
01:12:29,263 --> 01:12:32,119
because. Because I'll, I'll, I'll

1550
01:12:32,151 --> 01:12:35,123
walk away when you talk about Shogun, but

1551
01:12:36,223 --> 01:12:39,169
I, I just. It was like

1552
01:12:39,241 --> 01:12:42,081
one day I was gonna do it again to Will

1553
01:12:42,137 --> 01:12:44,769
this year where last year I had the Bear Season

1554
01:12:44,841 --> 01:12:47,813
2, but by the finale

1555
01:12:48,793 --> 01:12:51,745
and mainly Francis. I

1556
01:12:51,769 --> 01:12:54,753
can't. Not, I can't. Because what

1557
01:12:54,793 --> 01:12:57,713
they did with the, the

1558
01:12:57,753 --> 01:13:00,133
mother son dynamic

1559
01:13:01,113 --> 01:13:04,017
is something that I don't really

1560
01:13:04,105 --> 01:13:06,323
see, have seen before.

1561
01:13:07,343 --> 01:13:10,295
And yeah, we get, I mean everyone knows the

1562
01:13:10,319 --> 01:13:12,483
Oedipus syndrome and all that,

1563
01:13:12,783 --> 01:13:15,191
but this got twisted

1564
01:13:15,367 --> 01:13:17,443
and got,

1565
01:13:18,383 --> 01:13:21,043
got rooted in such a

1566
01:13:21,423 --> 01:13:24,279
fascinating way because we are dealing

1567
01:13:24,311 --> 01:13:27,223
with villains. And the more

1568
01:13:27,263 --> 01:13:30,103
I think about the finale, that the

1569
01:13:30,143 --> 01:13:32,323
half of the finale that I love,

1570
01:13:33,013 --> 01:13:35,965
the other half I hate, but the half that I

1571
01:13:35,989 --> 01:13:38,333
do adore it had had the

1572
01:13:38,373 --> 01:13:41,293
sequence that I've only ever seen play

1573
01:13:41,333 --> 01:13:43,915
out. that is comparable

1574
01:13:44,059 --> 01:13:46,623
to the Loki season one finale.

1575
01:13:48,403 --> 01:13:51,243
That and Loki season one finale. I was

1576
01:13:51,283 --> 01:13:54,251
so caught off guard because it wasn't a big

1577
01:13:54,307 --> 01:13:57,275
fight. Yeah, there was a fight, but it

1578
01:13:57,299 --> 01:13:59,625
was. A half of the

1579
01:13:59,649 --> 01:14:01,657
episode was just a

1580
01:14:01,745 --> 01:14:04,089
conversation between these three

1581
01:14:04,161 --> 01:14:07,001
villains and it was,

1582
01:14:07,057 --> 01:14:09,177
it was a sparring match. Very

1583
01:14:09,265 --> 01:14:11,785
similarly to what happens

1584
01:14:11,929 --> 01:14:14,531
in, in the bar where Sophia has

1585
01:14:14,587 --> 01:14:17,091
Francis and Oz and

1586
01:14:17,227 --> 01:14:20,179
truths are revealed. And

1587
01:14:20,331 --> 01:14:23,195
anytime, when Colin Farrell can make me

1588
01:14:23,219 --> 01:14:26,135
think to myself, is it because he's a really

1589
01:14:26,159 --> 01:14:28,599
good actor or is Oz a really good actor? I don't

1590
01:14:28,631 --> 01:14:31,559
know. I can't tell

1591
01:14:31,631 --> 01:14:34,535
what's going on here because I

1592
01:14:34,559 --> 01:14:37,363
don't. Because the performance is so good.

1593
01:14:38,933 --> 01:14:41,805
I know everyone adores Sophia and she

1594
01:14:41,829 --> 01:14:44,621
did great. But I swear, I really

1595
01:14:44,677 --> 01:14:47,645
think not enough people are talking about Frances and the actress who

1596
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:50,413
plays Frances and

1597
01:14:50,453 --> 01:14:53,345
just how pivotal that whole

1598
01:14:53,409 --> 01:14:56,129
arc was throughout

1599
01:14:56,241 --> 01:14:58,817
this season. Because even

1600
01:14:58,905 --> 01:15:01,409
more so than. Yeah, he

1601
01:15:01,481 --> 01:15:04,395
killed. I'm linking on

1602
01:15:04,419 --> 01:15:05,179
his name.

1603
01:15:05,331 --> 01:15:06,043
>> Will: Vic.

1604
01:15:06,203 --> 01:15:09,063
>> Sarah : Vic. But in a way,

1605
01:15:09,603 --> 01:15:12,459
keeping Francis alive is a.

1606
01:15:12,531 --> 01:15:14,299
Is a fate worse than death.

1607
01:15:14,451 --> 01:15:15,467
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

1608
01:15:15,515 --> 01:15:17,543
>> Sarah : And so. So it's just

1609
01:15:18,393 --> 01:15:21,383
the. I, I, can't say enough

1610
01:15:21,455 --> 01:15:24,231
about that whole arc. And

1611
01:15:24,319 --> 01:15:26,967
that is why it's my number one. And it

1612
01:15:27,007 --> 01:15:29,287
beat out something that made me

1613
01:15:29,327 --> 01:15:30,027
cry.

1614
01:15:32,607 --> 01:15:35,511
>> Will: I just thought it beat it out because you just weren't. You weren't comfortable

1615
01:15:35,559 --> 01:15:37,107
with emotion. But, you know.

1616
01:15:37,887 --> 01:15:40,775
>> Sarah : No, no, no. I am. It just

1617
01:15:40,831 --> 01:15:42,135
has to be earned. Really.

1618
01:15:42,191 --> 01:15:43,787
>> Will: Well, yeah, yeah.

1619
01:15:45,127 --> 01:15:48,049
>> Sarah : But, but, like, like. And

1620
01:15:48,073 --> 01:15:51,009
this is why I'm that confident I said at the very

1621
01:15:51,033 --> 01:15:53,517
beginning of my 1 and 2, because

1622
01:15:54,617 --> 01:15:57,441
they're my 1, 2, 3 through

1623
01:15:57,609 --> 01:16:00,449
6 or whatever. Like, I

1624
01:16:00,473 --> 01:16:03,169
don't know. I don't know. But overall, it was a

1625
01:16:03,193 --> 01:16:06,161
disappointing year of television and

1626
01:16:06,329 --> 01:16:09,217
unfortunately. But I am very

1627
01:16:09,257 --> 01:16:11,387
much looking forward to next year.

1628
01:16:12,117 --> 01:16:14,957
not only in television, but I feel like

1629
01:16:15,077 --> 01:16:18,029
next year we're going to start to see me talk a little bit more

1630
01:16:18,053 --> 01:16:20,717
about movies which. Which I

1631
01:16:20,757 --> 01:16:23,501
missed. And I feel like that was

1632
01:16:23,589 --> 01:16:26,189
another damper this year. That. I

1633
01:16:26,213 --> 01:16:29,005
agree. Yeah. When I see more

1634
01:16:29,061 --> 01:16:31,869
movies than Will, it's a problem. It's also a

1635
01:16:31,893 --> 01:16:34,537
problem that I'm the only one who saw Joker 2.

1636
01:16:35,957 --> 01:16:38,569
I'm going to let Will talk about Shogun for the

1637
01:16:38,593 --> 01:16:39,797
empty time.

1638
01:16:41,537 --> 01:16:44,097
>> Will: Yeah. You're never gonna let me live down Joker 2.

1639
01:16:44,367 --> 01:16:47,319
I agree with you though, that it. It has been

1640
01:16:47,343 --> 01:16:50,151
a. Before I go on Shogun. It

1641
01:16:50,159 --> 01:16:53,159
has. I agree that it really has been a kind of a

1642
01:16:53,183 --> 01:16:55,687
down year for movies. I mean, I haven't felt motivated to

1643
01:16:55,727 --> 01:16:58,359
like, go the one film I have been

1644
01:16:58,383 --> 01:17:01,207
motivated recently to go see Wicked, I can't even get a

1645
01:17:01,247 --> 01:17:03,587
freaking ticket for because they're all sold out. But,

1646
01:17:04,697 --> 01:17:06,887
but, But with

1647
01:17:06,927 --> 01:17:09,479
Shogun, so I, you know, I

1648
01:17:09,503 --> 01:17:12,423
cannot disagree with anything he said about Penguin.

1649
01:17:12,455 --> 01:17:15,399
And, and it's. I mean, again, it's. I felt like

1650
01:17:15,423 --> 01:17:18,247
it would have been. I would have been cheating if I did

1651
01:17:18,287 --> 01:17:21,027
a 1, 1A. And because

1652
01:17:21,327 --> 01:17:23,959
various reasons could easily, easily

1653
01:17:24,103 --> 01:17:27,079
I could do the tie and just take the chicken way

1654
01:17:27,103 --> 01:17:28,187
out, but I didn't,

1655
01:17:29,847 --> 01:17:32,383
Shogun was one of those things where

1656
01:17:32,535 --> 01:17:35,481
I, you know, really. I, was

1657
01:17:35,537 --> 01:17:37,213
familiar with the original

1658
01:17:38,273 --> 01:17:41,145
movie, of course, the source material. As far as the book. Never haven't read the

1659
01:17:41,169 --> 01:17:43,993
book or anything, but I just

1660
01:17:44,033 --> 01:17:46,213
thought from. From beginning to end

1661
01:17:46,513 --> 01:17:49,465
it had, you know, it had just a

1662
01:17:49,489 --> 01:17:52,293
compelling story of,

1663
01:17:52,593 --> 01:17:54,623
you know, even though it was, you know,

1664
01:17:54,793 --> 01:17:57,635
fictional historical fiction as far

1665
01:17:57,659 --> 01:18:00,403
as taking, you know, taking real

1666
01:18:00,443 --> 01:18:03,395
world events from feudal Japan and putting it

1667
01:18:03,419 --> 01:18:06,063
into this story and

1668
01:18:06,843 --> 01:18:09,743
Yabushuge. As far as the. The

1669
01:18:10,443 --> 01:18:12,343
bad. The bad character,

1670
01:18:13,953 --> 01:18:16,493
Marco as far as her journey,

1671
01:18:17,633 --> 01:18:20,105
and just all the characters. I mean, I just thought it was

1672
01:18:20,129 --> 01:18:22,873
just. It was just a show

1673
01:18:22,913 --> 01:18:25,833
that. Just like Penguin. But this show

1674
01:18:25,873 --> 01:18:28,713
also just really stuck with me and it was

1675
01:18:28,753 --> 01:18:31,653
just. I mean, the score, the

1676
01:18:32,113 --> 01:18:34,533
scenery, the. The,

1677
01:18:34,843 --> 01:18:36,729
>> Sarah : Were you, blinking on

1678
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:38,819
Blackthorn or Toranaga?

1679
01:18:39,763 --> 01:18:42,579
>> Will: Toranaga Taga. Yeah. Sorry, it's late.

1680
01:18:42,619 --> 01:18:45,251
It's like, like almost. Almost midnight my time. So

1681
01:18:45,275 --> 01:18:47,635
the. My brain was like starting to shut down. But yeah,

1682
01:18:47,667 --> 01:18:50,425
Taga. but also Blackthorn

1683
01:18:50,457 --> 01:18:53,289
too. But. But yeah, definitely Toranaga. And just,

1684
01:18:53,329 --> 01:18:55,429
you know, all the, you know, his

1685
01:18:55,969 --> 01:18:57,909
journey as far as just,

1686
01:18:59,969 --> 01:19:02,745
to come, you know, becoming, you know, the Shogunate and,

1687
01:19:02,817 --> 01:19:05,321
And everything, it was just such a. It was just such a

1688
01:19:05,345 --> 01:19:06,189
compelling

1689
01:19:08,299 --> 01:19:11,107
10 hours of television that it just like, really, just

1690
01:19:11,163 --> 01:19:13,759
really stuck with me. And, and.

1691
01:19:14,059 --> 01:19:17,043
And I hated that they created with the

1692
01:19:17,051 --> 01:19:19,987
season two because I felt like it was. It had a good

1693
01:19:20,043 --> 01:19:22,559
beginning, middle and end of that story

1694
01:19:22,939 --> 01:19:25,765
and. And it didn't. I didn't feel like I needed

1695
01:19:25,797 --> 01:19:28,549
more. I mean, I felt like I had a complete story that I could

1696
01:19:28,589 --> 01:19:31,269
just really just anytime I want to go back and rewatch what you

1697
01:19:31,309 --> 01:19:34,261
have, I can do so and enjoy it over and

1698
01:19:34,285 --> 01:19:37,241
over again. and it was like I said, it

1699
01:19:37,265 --> 01:19:40,201
was just everything. It just hit all the

1700
01:19:40,225 --> 01:19:43,161
right elements all across the board for me this year. And,

1701
01:19:43,265 --> 01:19:45,509
you know, it was my top show. But,

1702
01:19:47,139 --> 01:19:50,011
yeah, that's. That was why I picked it for my number

1703
01:19:50,035 --> 01:19:52,987
one. I mean, it was just one that just every, you know, just sort

1704
01:19:53,003 --> 01:19:55,851
of set the standard for everything for the rest of the year. And the only thing

1705
01:19:55,875 --> 01:19:58,853
that came close to like, knocking it off was Penguin. and it

1706
01:19:58,877 --> 01:20:01,061
was very game. Penguin came very close.

1707
01:20:01,101 --> 01:20:04,083
>> Sarah : But, we appreciate everyone listening

1708
01:20:04,147 --> 01:20:06,787
to our rambles and

1709
01:20:06,859 --> 01:20:09,811
our re. Reiterations of things

1710
01:20:09,851 --> 01:20:12,751
that I'm sure they've already heard from us or maybe,

1711
01:20:12,701 --> 01:20:15,425
some new insights as to how we feel about

1712
01:20:15,513 --> 01:20:18,033
these shows and just

1713
01:20:18,137 --> 01:20:21,041
the 2024 television as

1714
01:20:21,081 --> 01:20:23,953
a whole. And on that note, Will, why don't

1715
01:20:23,977 --> 01:20:26,679
you tell our listeners where they can find you?

1716
01:20:26,865 --> 01:20:29,797
>> Will: Yes, you can find me at, willmpolk W I

1717
01:20:29,837 --> 01:20:32,181
L L M P O L K on all the

1718
01:20:32,189 --> 01:20:32,997
socials.

1719
01:20:33,157 --> 01:20:35,493
>> Sarah : And you can find me there too at sjbelmont

1720
01:20:35,525 --> 01:20:38,197
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1721
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1722
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1723
01:20:42,511 --> 01:20:44,907
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1724
01:20:45,247 --> 01:20:47,959
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1725
01:20:47,983 --> 01:20:50,759
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1726
01:20:50,823 --> 01:20:52,307
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1727
01:20:54,377 --> 01:20:57,121
But most importantly, rate, follow and comment on Apple

1728
01:20:57,169 --> 01:20:59,937
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1729
01:20:59,977 --> 01:21:00,817
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