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>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and
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with me, as always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk. How are you doing
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tonight, Will?
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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. Merry Christmas Eve
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Eve.
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>> Sarah : Merry Christmas Eve Eve. And
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Happy Almost
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New Year.
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>> Will: Yeah, I know, I know. 2024 coming
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to a quick close.
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>> Sarah : A, quick close. I mean, we
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did our 2024 in review last
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week, and I know you have a note
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because you've thought about it a while. I have not.
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>> Will: No, no. Well, it was really a note from our
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discussion tonight about Dune
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prophecy. And that's why I put that on there,
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because I was, I was thinking about the list, and I
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was thinking about how we. We did our. Our list
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last. For last year. For the year. And I was thinking
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about last year with the strike and like, thinking
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about House of the Dragon and
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how the strike, you know, impacted this season as
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far as the shows and thinking about some other things as well. And
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one of the things, I was wondering when I wrote
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this note last night was I wonder if the strike
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impacted Dune. And sure enough, I
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was listening to the official podcast today, and,
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the, showrunner was talking about how the reason why
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they only had six episodes was because it was
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impacted by the writers in actor strike. So I was like, ah,
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so that, that really, you know, and it was what, what
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spurred it was our text exchange last night, whenever,
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after we both watched the episode and, and. And that's what kind of
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got my. Got the gears turning after, after.
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After we. We talked. So, OB attack. So that's what.
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That's, that's where that note came from.
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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, I mean, I know I recalled
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you mentioning that throughout the year,
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you kept bringing up the writer strikes when we were talking about
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various, TV shows.
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and sure, they get. I, I get
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it. Shortened seasons and
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it screws up with pacing and they can't fully
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execute what they can do. But at
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the same time I'm like, okay, sure, use that
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excuse. You got it this season. We'll see what you say next
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season when you screw something.
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>> Will: For sure. For sure. Yeah, everybody's. Everybody's got one Mulligan for
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20, 23.
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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got one legit
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excuse. A strike won't happen again for another 10
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years. So, yeah, yeah,
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just, like, keep in mind, then you got to
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deliver the following year even more because
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you don't got that excuse. And then if you
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don't deliver, then it's kind of like, well, I
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wonder how Much that did affect the previous
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year.
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yeah. But before we get fully into Dune
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prophecy, we do have
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a very small trailer that nobody's
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watching, has seen at all. I mean, I
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feel like we're the only people who are gonna ever
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talk about this trailer. But the, the
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little Superman trailer dropped
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and Well, it looks like a Superman
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movie.
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>> Will: Yeah, it looks like a good Superman movie.
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And I know, I mean plenty
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of reactors out there have shared their thoughts and I won't get
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into like all the scenes. Everybody's seen it.
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I mean, hell, it's like I think at least
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250 million views over as
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I think the first 24 hours alone think is that a new record
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for WB and and also DC
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as far as their films break thing? I broke the minus. I
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think it actually broke man of Steel's record.
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>> Sarah : Yeah.
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>> Will: And and then of course I think it was over a million social
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posts in that same time period. So no,
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nobody's talking about this at all. But but well,
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at least for, I will say that, you
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know, I did my, my raw
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reaction when I first watched it was like
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James Gunn, you know, you,
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I, I, I love, I, I'm
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looking forward to July. And my second
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thought was I wonder if Marvel's gonna like push back
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Fantastic Four after this because it comes
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out two weeks after the Superman
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premieres on July 11th. So that's
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my, that's the only other thing. those are the two things that like popped out of my
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head when I first watched the trailer.
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>> Sarah : Yeah. Trying to think.
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No, no, that did move because I
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remember Civil War and Batman V
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Superman, ah, were originally slated to come out like
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within a two week period of each other. And then
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Superman v Batman, Batman V Superman got pushed
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to March of that year. Yeah, yeah,
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yeah, yeah. I don't think anyone is
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gonna blink in this. I don't,
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I don't think so because I
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mean people have pointed out, but
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this is more like counter programming. But the whole
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Barbenheimer thing that happened last
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year.
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>> Will: That's a good point.
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>> Sarah : That could very well happen again here. I
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mean the same people
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are going to go and see both movies,
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arguably. And then Fantastic Four
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also has this little known actor who's barely
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in anything called Pedro Pascal.
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And then Johnny Storm. I
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swear I keep seeing new trailers for movies
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coming out and he's in everything
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these days. Like, who'd have thought that guy
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from, from Stranger Things would,
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would just, just, just soar? I mean, and,
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and now, now did you hear the rumor Sadie
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Singh from Stranger Things is rumored to be Jean
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Grey.
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>> Will: I heard that. Yes. Actually, I saw, I was watching
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Snyder's, and Rocha talk about it live on the show
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last week, and I was just like, All right.
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>> Sarah : I was just like, you know what?
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Perfect. Because, the way she, like,
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held together the. The first half
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of season four, like,
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she. She was the reason why I was, like,
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suddenly interested. And then I would just fast
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forward through every Millie Bobby Brown scene.
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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is. Yeah. Ah,
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same. I mean, yeah, I mean, she really was the glue to hell.
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See that? And also, And, what was the character's
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name, in Stranger Things.
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>> Sarah : Oh, gosh, it's been a while. It's been a while. I'm
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sorry.
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Storyline, like, did a lot.
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but, yeah, and. And we should be talking.
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We should be able to recall their not
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names much better next year. Right? That's when
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the final season will come out.
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>> Will: That's when it drops. Yep. So. Yeah,
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so, yeah. But, yeah, like I said, you know, getting
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back to the Superman trailer and, and all. I mean, I really did
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enjoy it. I am really looking forward to it probably.
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And I think, you know, it,
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The. The whole, you know, they had the whole
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marketing push. You know, they had the poster
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dropped and they had the teaser of the teaser, and then we actually had a
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teaser. And you know, I just. I just keep thinking,
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look up and. And I like the music
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that they did it in more of a D
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minor, I believe, as far as the, John Williams
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theme and sort instead of C major. So I was just like,
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okay, I'm. I'm rocking with this. And,
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yeah, I'm. It's. It's, I'm excited for it.
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I really am. And maybe, maybe this will get
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you back on the DC train. Other than Peacemaker.
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>> Sarah : I'm off the DC train.
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>> Will: I thought you were. I thought you were done with DC or just
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dceu.
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>> Sarah : I'm just. I'm just kind of over
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studios in general promising things,
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never delivering or then delivering them. Half
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ass.
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>> Will: Got it. Got it. I don't think this.
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>> Sarah : I. I call a spade a spade. I call a
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dud a dud.
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>> Will: True.
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>> Sarah : you do. Except for like. Like Love and
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Thunder.
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>> Will: Yes.
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>> Sarah : Which I still had a good time. Have I watched it
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again? No.
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>> Will: Oh, I never will. I will never watch that
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movie again.
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>> Sarah : So. So. So before you we jump into
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Dune, I would like to say my thoughts because this is a trailer I
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actually watched, because it is a legit teaser.
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I still don't really know what is happening.
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I see the montage and I
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see clips. I feel like they gave away too
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many of the Lois and Clark kissing scenes,
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especially one in particular, which I'm like,
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that would have been better, but. But we'll see.
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and. And I. I am mainly
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looking forward to this because
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of the actress who plays Lois
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Lane, formally played
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Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. Everyone knows how much I
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adored that show and performance in it.
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So I really am excited to see that,
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especially coming off of the final season of
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Superman and Lois, which we always talked
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about Lois and that
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character. So to now go into
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the. The theatrical realm
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with that character in this relationship,
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I'm excited for all of that. And yes, James
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Gunn, he's really good.
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He has delivered some stuff, but
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he. He. He's not. I
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just. Everyone keep in mind, all filmmakers,
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like, look at their discography or
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their. Their. Their filmography because
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they're never without their duds. And
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I'm not saying that this will be one. I don't
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think it will. But what I am saying is the man
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doesn't walk on water. Okay.
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Even if he delivers here, it's not
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gonna, like just the
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Guardians of Galaxy. It's a good trilogy.
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I don't think it's the best trilogy out there by any
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means. I think that,
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like, there, especially the sequel is
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very controversial. Like, you find a lot of
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people, either you love it or you hate it. There's no in
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between. And. And for anyone who
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might be on the in between, they usually. They
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usually then even find more weirdness
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with the third one. So it's,
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And. And I'm also also
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looking forward to Peacemaker, too, right now. So.
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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, it's come out. I think it's coming out later
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next year. Yeah.
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>> Sarah : yeah, yeah. Because. Because if. If he's
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able to, like, just sneak in a John
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Scene N headshot at some point in
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Superman, be
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hilarious.
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>> Will: That would be. That would be. I mean,
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I would have put it past him.
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>> Sarah : Like, I don't know, while they're rolling
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credits, just John Scene N coming
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over and him and corn sweat.
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Just like John Scene N teaching corn set. The
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Peacemaker opening dance sequence.
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That's what the people would want.
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>> Will: That's what. Yes. Yes.
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>> Sarah : Come on.
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>> Will: Yes. If that happens. If that
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happens. Wow. That would just
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make my movie go in year.
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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Or if there's an opening
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dance sequence in Superman.
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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Don't think that's going to be the case, but it's
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very likely it's very likely to have that. That,
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Scene N showing up, showing Clark the,
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the moves there with Peacemaker.
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superheroes exist in this universe.
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>> Sarah : Okay, okay, like, slow your roll,
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because I think. Let's go back to
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this opening dance sequence. And, yeah, we're going to get to Dune
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prophecy, but we'll want to talk Superman. so here we are,
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the opening was a dance sequence.
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>> Will: It was.
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>> Sarah : It was. It was.
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>> Will: Yeah.
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>> Sarah : So that makes me think,
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actually, now that I. I look at it,
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more of his history,
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we might be getting a dance sequence. I don't know. I don't
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>> Will: Yeah, we might. We might.
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>> Sarah : I'm trying to remember if, Suicide Squad opened with a
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dance sequence,
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or the Suicide.
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>> Will: The Suicide Squad. Yeah. I don't think so. I think they just had the
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first. Spoiler alert. You haven't watched it?
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pull everybody together, and then they all got killed.
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>> Sarah : Right. Well. Well, we'll see.
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>> Will: Yeah. You know, was very
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prominently, displayed in the. In the
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first few minutes of that film, too. So maybe
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we'll get it here as well.
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>> Sarah : I don't know why, but, like, all
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Squad is, like, the giant starfish at the
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end and. And just the
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rat.
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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do need to.
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>> Sarah : Weasel didn't know that movie.
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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I do need to watch Creature
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Comfort. Creature Commandos. I did it again.
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>> Sarah : Oh, my God. Will, the. Will
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you just. You need to stop saying the title
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of that show.
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>> Will: That shirt is currently on right now, in the
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DC Studios universe. Yeah, that one
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command creature with the c. yeah, I need
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to watch that. I keep. Yeah, Yeah. I guess the other
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thing that's coming out, too, in. In January
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is the. I said the other thing that's coming out in January, too. That's part of the whole
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Nic park universe, is another Wallace and Gromit. So that's why I
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was, like, thinking that again.
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>> Sarah : Oh, my God.
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>> Will: we're off the rails. Give me back on track.
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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Don't. Don't worry. yeah, while you
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go and handle these three creatures, we
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will also be watching what if. And,
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in 2025, we will break down our
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thoughts on the final season of what if.
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And. And, you know, you know, we'll. We'll figure
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out a way this. This time of the
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year. We are just wrapping things up
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and. And a new path Forward
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will be, set.
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but. All right, let's wrap up Doom
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prophecy.
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>> Will: Yeah, let's do that.
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>> Sarah : As mentioned earlier, there was a text
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message exchange that mainly consisted of
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me saying, well, I
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enjoyed the pilot episode
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of the show. Not
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that the final hour was the pilot episode, but more
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so that by the conclusion you can
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really. There's a sense of, oh, this
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is only the beginning. The
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pieces are now in place for the full story
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to be told. They just had to set
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a ton of groundwork.
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episodes or these six episodes are really
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the entire pilot of the
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show itself self. And and,
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and I, and I like it. I, I really.
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The word I would just. I am
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constantly going to be using when I'm talking about the show
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is consistent. They are very
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consistent. I'm neither blown away by
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anything, but I'm not underwhelmed
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either. I'm not like, and.
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And I'm just. They. They got a lot of good
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mechanics. I still though
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the one thing that I'm still just
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like, I don't know how to
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feel is I
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don't know. I don't find myself
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necessarily rooting for anyone. The
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closest person I'm rooting for is Tula.
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but everyone else, I'm just like, I
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don't really know because either they didn't go
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into the backstory, like we didn't spend
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enough time with Dorada
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to, to really understand
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her plea. And I think that they did that
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purposeful because she really is a villain, and a
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nemesis for Viola.
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But we also don't really like Viola
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either because she's, she's
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just, she's very Viola about things
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and it's annoying. and, and then you
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got the whole Inez and Kieran situation
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of it all. but before we get into
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Will's, thoughts, I just want to go through the
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IMDb summary real quick for
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episode six. The higher handed
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enemy. IMDb
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summarizes, this episode. As
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Tula contends with the stunning reveal of
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Desmond's true identity, the acolytes under
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uncover a devastating long held secret about the
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sisterhood. Meanwhile, Violet executes her plan
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for Inez's escape, which leads to an epic
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confrontation with an increasing,
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increasingly powerful Desmond.
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Will, what are your thoughts?
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>> Will: Very similar to yours. that I did feel like this.
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The pilot. Well, the
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episode one, episode six were truly bookends
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of each other in the sense that we, you know,
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we. We get the story of what
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happened that night when ah,
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Viola uses the voice
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on Doretta to, to,
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have her kill herself. And then we. But we see it from
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Tula's perspective, so. Because, you know, whenever we first. Whenever
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we saw an episode one, you know, we didn't really
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have any idea if there were any witnesses to it or
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not. I can. Yeah. And I can't remember if we speculated about whether
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or not there were any. But.
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But, But, yeah, but we. But we, you know, we did
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get Tula's perspective as well as the other
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two sisters, as part of their little
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group. And so I thought that, you know,
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so to get.
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>> Sarah : Sorry, I just want to point out who were also.
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They. That was Kasha and Francesca.
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>> Will: That's right. Right.
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>> Sarah : Yeah. Which is very important because I didn't
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even think about that and why those two
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sisters, were
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so key in terms of the events of this
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season.
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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, because. Yeah, because as we later get into
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the episode, we, you know, we. We get the,
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confirmation about the imprinting, Francesca with,
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Habakko. And of course. And
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again, there were just. Just the whole plan
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and. And. And really just
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really set, set up a lot in the. In
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the opening minutes, actually, when I first started watching, and I was just like,
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am I. Did I make mis. Did I, like, fast forward
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by mistake to. To another thing? But then I realized I was like, oh, no, this
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is. This is getting other. Other folks perspectives. And I thought
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that was a very solid way to start the episode, to just sort
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of, again, given that this was the finale
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and it. And it truly was a finale. I mean,
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it had, It
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definitely, like, ended a lot of many.
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Many of the pieces that were set up throughout this
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season, but also by either
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design or. Or by just running
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out of time, let
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things, on the table for. To be explored in a future
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season, which we did get confirmation this week. Just before we get
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deeper into our discussion here, that the show was renewed
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for a second season. So thankfully, we didn't get a
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situation where we. We get an ending where they're
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on that we got. And then we were like, okay, what
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happens? Because, you know, because like you said, I
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mean, this show was very consistent and. And it
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reached a point as. As the more I watched it, the more.
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The more I appreciated what they were doing. I
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mean, and you're right, there were
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certain. I mean, there were consistency
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about how they were going about this story there. And then they were like,
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multiple what the moments throughout this
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episode, you know, since it was a season
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finale.
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>> Sarah : Yeah. So, like, let's Just stick on the
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flashbacks because. So.
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Because they. They run these throughout, not just
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the opening sequence, but throughout the episode.
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And. And I did notice the editing
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tricks that they used were very good. Very
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good. And they tell, arguably two different
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sets of flashbacks
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that are kind of throughout the
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same. They are throughout the same timeline
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because not only did we not
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realize that,
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Tula watched her sister
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commit this act of murder,
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essentially, but she also
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then very quickly admitted that
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she was pregnant with. With a
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part Atreides. And
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surprisingly, in that moment when you think
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you understand Viola, she says, oh, we
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can raise it together. Yeah.
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>> Will: Yeah. I was like, oh, okay.
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>> Sarah : I don't know how to feel about that.
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And then fast forward. Tula, did not know how to
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feel about that either. She's like,
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nope, not gonna let my sister near this
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kid. And
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it's a very heartbreaking scene
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to watch Tula hold her child.
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And then for, Was it Kasha or
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was it Francesca? I think it was Francesca who
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comes and says, okay, we
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have the stillborn M. And then the
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exchange. Because. And.
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And you're just. You're like.
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It just reminds me about
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all the times throughout this. The show
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when there are
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moments, of between Tula and
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the other sisters of, like, about
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sacrifice and,
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giving things up. And.
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And it's. She gave it
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up because she couldn't
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let. And I thought it was a very
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well done, monologue that
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Tula delivers about
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how she wanted to
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gift her son freedom.
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>> Will: Yeah.
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>> Sarah : And the only way to do that would be
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by giving him up. Unfortunately,
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simultaneously in present day, she is trying
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to reconcile with the fact that why
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giving him freedom, she
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allowed a bigger enemy
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to obtain him and
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manipulate and reconfigure him
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into this weapon.
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And it's just. Oh,
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I was like, wow. Wow, that's. That's
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pretty. Pretty intense.
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>> Will: Yeah.
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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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>> Will: That. That scene was pretty intense and. And
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very powerful moment. I mean, I think the. You know,
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they did a solid job of getting.
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Casting the younger actress to play
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these Tula and. And Viola,
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and. And. And it really just
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frames why Tula,
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when she's older, why she was so. Like you said, you know, why
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she had, you know, these maternal
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feelings as far as protection with Lila. so, I mean, it
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did, you know, so, yeah. So, like. Yeah, so
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it. It really. I think for me, it was just
518
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like watching that,
519
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it just. It just contextualizes so much
520
00:23:41,044 --> 00:23:43,900
about what was going on this season. So, yes,
521
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there were some places where they could have gone a little bit deeper,
522
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but at the same time they had enough
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depth as far as things as. As the season went
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through that whenever we got these moments here in the finale, it's just like,
525
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okay, yeah, that. That makes total sense now.
526
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Why. Why decisions and
527
00:24:00,260 --> 00:24:03,036
motivations and actions were. Were made by
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these characters in the prior five
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episodes.
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>> Sarah : Oh, I think. I think with Tula,
531
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they went the deepest, arguably with
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her character, for sure. I think
533
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that. So we have
534
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Tula in the present. And one of
535
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the best, scenes in this episode for me is
536
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when they
537
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realize what they have to do, in terms of
538
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trying to figure out and understand this virus.
539
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And I just. There was something
540
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so cool
541
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about how they
542
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managed to,
543
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Because we've seen now this virus attack
544
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in a few different ways. but we've
545
00:24:50,414 --> 00:24:53,086
never seen it in this way where they had the
546
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DNA and the particles via
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screen and then you're watching
548
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the currents and, the whole sequence. I
549
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,584
just. I was riveted by. For some reason,
550
00:25:04,672 --> 00:25:07,528
I was like, they're not doing that
551
00:25:07,584 --> 00:25:10,408
much. But. But for some reason, between the
552
00:25:10,464 --> 00:25:13,240
acting and the visuals,
553
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,216
you. You really do. You're like them
554
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and you understand what this is
555
00:25:19,264 --> 00:25:22,148
doing. When we say it feeds off
556
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fear. And then you see it
557
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more personified at the
558
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end with. With Viola. So. And I think. And I think they
559
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did that purposely because I don't think you would
560
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understand as much
561
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as when you go through the experience with
562
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Thyla then without
563
00:25:41,660 --> 00:25:44,372
understanding the science behind it or
564
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the mythology behind it.
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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, that. That was thinking that total
566
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thing whenever. Yeah, again, they did. As you said,
567
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they're very consistent and they were. The way they structured
568
00:25:55,626 --> 00:25:58,362
these things, they do build on each
569
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other, so.
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>> Sarah : Right.
571
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>> Will: So, yeah, so, you know, so, yes, the show didn't have a lot
572
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of. It was very talky. You know, there were some
573
00:26:05,202 --> 00:26:07,770
pacing issues at times. But at the end of the
574
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day, to your point, whenever they have
575
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,600
these set pieces like they did in this episode,
576
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the payoff was. Was clearly there with. With Viola.
577
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Especially when, we saw the external
578
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manifestation of the, The, I think it was the Omnicron
579
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virus. but. Omnibus virus
580
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or whatever it's called. But yeah, whatever, you know.
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>> Sarah : Well.
582
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>> Will: Well, yeah, well, you know, whenever. Well, the
583
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middle of the episode when Tula and the other sister
584
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was. Were. Were.
585
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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. It wasn't Lila who was with.
586
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>> Will: No. Viola.
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>> Sarah : Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanna.
588
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I just. I just wanna, go
589
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through the. The acolyte
590
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situation because I found it
591
00:26:53,780 --> 00:26:56,696
funny. Like, we know why Tula left,
592
00:26:57,076 --> 00:26:59,804
but I. I Think. I think it was very
593
00:26:59,860 --> 00:27:01,976
important for it to be,
594
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like, building up to this
595
00:27:05,092 --> 00:27:08,064
point of, clearly, the acolytes are.
596
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Are riling up. They're
597
00:27:11,024 --> 00:27:13,888
about to start a rebellion. And Tula
598
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is just. Is just in her own world,
599
00:27:17,096 --> 00:27:19,716
realizes her son is alive
600
00:27:20,136 --> 00:27:23,008
being used against her and her sister
601
00:27:23,152 --> 00:27:25,696
and all of this stuff and all of this
602
00:27:25,736 --> 00:27:27,826
guilt and, it just
603
00:27:28,366 --> 00:27:31,142
that whole. The whole line. Sisterhood above
604
00:27:31,174 --> 00:27:34,144
all. Well. Well,
605
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,832
Viola, in the past, we do see a scene where it's
606
00:27:36,864 --> 00:27:38,096
sisters above all.
607
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>> Will: Yep.
608
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>> Sarah : And I think in this episode, it's very
609
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clear for Tula, it's motherhood above
610
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all. And. And so
611
00:27:47,496 --> 00:27:50,336
she. She abandons her flock. And
612
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that's when Doretta just goes full.
613
00:27:53,448 --> 00:27:56,352
Like. Is like, okay, Raquela, you can step
614
00:27:56,424 --> 00:27:58,408
aside. Let me fully,
615
00:27:58,592 --> 00:28:01,306
fully, come to life and rile my
616
00:28:01,346 --> 00:28:03,914
troops. The one thing that I
617
00:28:03,970 --> 00:28:06,938
still. I hope they. I
618
00:28:06,962 --> 00:28:09,286
hope they flesh out and make clear
619
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in. In the next season is Sister Jen.
620
00:28:13,266 --> 00:28:16,058
The only. The only sister that
621
00:28:16,082 --> 00:28:18,538
we're aware of who has not been affected by the
622
00:28:18,562 --> 00:28:21,526
virus. M. We don't know why.
623
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And. And for some reason,
624
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Doretta allows her to live.
625
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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.
626
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>> Sarah : Like. Like, yeah. she's. She's clearly
627
00:28:32,418 --> 00:28:35,410
not on Team Doretta. I don't think she's
628
00:28:35,458 --> 00:28:38,086
necessarily on Team Violet either,
629
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but she's definitely, like, my
630
00:28:41,274 --> 00:28:43,986
friend is still in there and being
631
00:28:44,106 --> 00:28:47,074
like, her body is being used against
632
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her own free will. So I think she's more like, set
633
00:28:50,234 --> 00:28:52,154
Lila free. This is it.
634
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>> Will: Yeah. And maybe. And maybe Lila is the one that's
635
00:28:55,194 --> 00:28:57,642
keeping her. Keeping either
636
00:28:57,674 --> 00:29:00,426
Raquela or Doretta from. From
637
00:29:00,466 --> 00:29:03,322
killing her. Because whenever, whatever. Because, you know, that was.
638
00:29:03,394 --> 00:29:06,394
I mean, that was one of those pieces where I was just like, oh, gosh, they're
639
00:29:06,410 --> 00:29:09,386
going to, You know, it was. It was telegraphed.
640
00:29:10,766 --> 00:29:13,306
>> Sarah : Yeah. Well, I didn't realize.
641
00:29:13,726 --> 00:29:16,534
Well, it goes back to this thing. I did not
642
00:29:16,590 --> 00:29:19,326
realize. I knew that
643
00:29:19,366 --> 00:29:20,958
Doretta had followers.
644
00:29:21,102 --> 00:29:21,550
>> Will: Yeah.
645
00:29:21,598 --> 00:29:24,106
>> Sarah : But I didn't. I didn't understand
646
00:29:24,566 --> 00:29:27,518
exactly or question where did the followers
647
00:29:27,582 --> 00:29:30,318
go? M. And then when it was
648
00:29:30,342 --> 00:29:32,926
also revealed, it was at the bottom of that.
649
00:29:33,046 --> 00:29:35,806
That. Well, I was like, oh, that's why they
650
00:29:35,846 --> 00:29:37,946
keep looking over here.
651
00:29:39,446 --> 00:29:42,398
I was like, is there a monster in there? I
652
00:29:42,422 --> 00:29:44,346
don't. I don't understand. But no.
653
00:29:44,756 --> 00:29:47,692
Dororotta reveals all of the skeletons.
654
00:29:47,804 --> 00:29:49,856
>> Will: That's where the bodies really are buried.
655
00:29:50,196 --> 00:29:53,116
>> Sarah : I was. I was also like, okay, they're not
656
00:29:53,156 --> 00:29:56,046
that old. they're already in
657
00:29:56,086 --> 00:29:59,086
skeleton forms. Like, that's it. That's. I don't think
658
00:29:59,126 --> 00:30:01,026
that, but whatever.
659
00:30:01,686 --> 00:30:03,022
>> Will: I mean, that's long enough.
660
00:30:03,174 --> 00:30:06,174
>> Sarah : Yeah. Okay. Okay. I don't know much. I don't
661
00:30:06,190 --> 00:30:09,022
know much about decomposing bodies, so.
662
00:30:09,094 --> 00:30:11,946
So if you tell me. Okay, so that
663
00:30:11,986 --> 00:30:14,868
all made sense. I just wish I
664
00:30:14,892 --> 00:30:16,736
would have understood more,
665
00:30:17,586 --> 00:30:20,410
about the gen of it all, because she
666
00:30:20,498 --> 00:30:22,086
a not
667
00:30:23,586 --> 00:30:25,246
affected by the virus.
668
00:30:26,496 --> 00:30:29,448
and there has to be a reason for that. And we
669
00:30:29,472 --> 00:30:32,196
learn more about the virus because we learned that
670
00:30:32,656 --> 00:30:35,436
it's essentially nano
671
00:30:36,106 --> 00:30:38,114
thinking machines. Right.
672
00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:38,834
>> Will: Yep.
673
00:30:38,930 --> 00:30:41,874
>> Sarah : Okay, so I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna
674
00:30:41,890 --> 00:30:44,738
throw this out there because towards the end of
675
00:30:44,762 --> 00:30:47,666
this episode that we're not at, because
676
00:30:47,706 --> 00:30:50,642
it's also a heck of a long episode,
677
00:30:50,834 --> 00:30:53,016
but, there's a nephew
678
00:30:53,676 --> 00:30:56,484
who returns home, and
679
00:30:56,620 --> 00:30:59,332
I've seen enough episodes of Flash to understand
680
00:30:59,404 --> 00:31:02,106
what nano means, nanotechnology means.
681
00:31:02,276 --> 00:31:05,102
And he. He, like, gathers all of these
682
00:31:05,174 --> 00:31:08,142
nanobots in his. In his house and then
683
00:31:08,214 --> 00:31:10,782
watches, like, surveillance footage of his
684
00:31:10,854 --> 00:31:11,438
aunt.
685
00:31:11,582 --> 00:31:12,386
>> Will: Yep.
686
00:31:13,186 --> 00:31:15,796
>> Sarah : to me, that's a hint that the
687
00:31:15,836 --> 00:31:18,576
Harkonnens are behind this technology.
688
00:31:20,556 --> 00:31:23,460
>> Will: That's. That's a very strong possibility. I
689
00:31:23,468 --> 00:31:25,780
mean, they, they definitely plan. There's
690
00:31:25,908 --> 00:31:28,434
two, There's nothing that they put in a show that
691
00:31:28,490 --> 00:31:31,452
doesn't have a meaning about. For,
692
00:31:31,524 --> 00:31:32,856
for the larger story.
693
00:31:33,716 --> 00:31:36,716
>> Sarah : Right. Especially because it's the
694
00:31:36,756 --> 00:31:39,564
final episode. We, We. I.
695
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:42,668
I don't. Did we see him in last week? Yeah, we saw
696
00:31:42,692 --> 00:31:42,972
him.
697
00:31:43,044 --> 00:31:45,366
>> Will: Yeah. We saw him briefly with Desmond at the very beginning. Yeah.
698
00:31:45,366 --> 00:31:48,266
>> Sarah : but haven't really seen him. And then they
699
00:31:48,306 --> 00:31:51,226
just show one random, random
700
00:31:51,306 --> 00:31:54,234
scene with him that, arguably, to save on time,
701
00:31:54,290 --> 00:31:57,190
they could have cut unless it had a purpose.
702
00:31:57,318 --> 00:31:57,750
>> Will: Right.
703
00:31:57,838 --> 00:32:00,374
>> Sarah : And so I, I
704
00:32:00,430 --> 00:32:03,142
think that they're either alluding that
705
00:32:03,214 --> 00:32:06,102
he's behind it or he's
706
00:32:06,134 --> 00:32:08,566
in cahoots with someone because the
707
00:32:08,606 --> 00:32:11,174
Harkonnens don't fall too far from the tree. Come on.
708
00:32:11,230 --> 00:32:14,166
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he. He definitely is an
709
00:32:14,206 --> 00:32:17,142
agent for whoever's behind this. I don't think he doesn't strike
710
00:32:17,174 --> 00:32:20,166
me as a type that would be smart enough to, like,
711
00:32:20,206 --> 00:32:23,024
come up with this on his own, but he, but he definitely be.
712
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,858
Can be the. Be, the foot soldier for
713
00:32:25,914 --> 00:32:27,026
who did.
714
00:32:27,178 --> 00:32:29,874
>> Sarah : Yeah, he. He's a havoco. Okay. He's
715
00:32:29,922 --> 00:32:32,710
havoco. Which havoco? Arguably,
716
00:32:33,690 --> 00:32:36,306
like, one of my least favorite characters.
717
00:32:36,498 --> 00:32:39,058
However he delivers, he. He
718
00:32:39,114 --> 00:32:41,390
delivers one hell of a line
719
00:32:41,850 --> 00:32:43,314
and then kills himself.
720
00:32:43,442 --> 00:32:45,202
>> Will: Yeah. The one time he finally grew a.
721
00:32:45,226 --> 00:32:48,018
>> Sarah : Backbone, I had the same thought. I was like,
722
00:32:48,074 --> 00:32:50,722
you're finally seeing the world.
723
00:32:50,826 --> 00:32:53,060
Because he says, like,
724
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:56,958
it's a strange thing when you realize you
725
00:32:57,014 --> 00:32:59,490
never learned one moment of freedom
726
00:32:59,830 --> 00:33:02,670
and then just kills himself. And you think.
727
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:04,766
I was like. I was like, wow.
728
00:33:04,958 --> 00:33:05,422
>> Will: Yeah.
729
00:33:05,486 --> 00:33:07,770
>> Sarah : I was like, wow. And then only for
730
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:10,250
Francesca to bend down
731
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:14,542
and for Natalie to just
732
00:33:14,726 --> 00:33:17,006
casually walk in and slip.
733
00:33:17,118 --> 00:33:20,062
>> Will: Yeah. Natalia gets the poison pen and just sticks it
734
00:33:20,086 --> 00:33:20,810
in her.
735
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,416
>> Sarah : And then. And then does this. And like, it's
736
00:33:25,448 --> 00:33:28,040
a. I feel as though it
737
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,994
was, very symbolic and paid a little bit of
738
00:33:31,002 --> 00:33:33,730
an homage to Romeo and Juliet for some
739
00:33:33,770 --> 00:33:36,466
reason. Not. Not to say that I fully
740
00:33:36,498 --> 00:33:39,202
understand the imprinting and their love
741
00:33:39,226 --> 00:33:41,970
affair or anything, but I felt like the
742
00:33:42,010 --> 00:33:45,010
way they played it out, it felt like a very
743
00:33:45,130 --> 00:33:47,765
tragic moment between these two people
744
00:33:47,917 --> 00:33:50,709
because I could. I could tell, like
745
00:33:50,749 --> 00:33:53,603
imprinting or not, Francesca, did seem to have true
746
00:33:53,651 --> 00:33:54,291
feelings.
747
00:33:54,435 --> 00:33:55,667
>> Will: She did. She did.
748
00:33:55,723 --> 00:33:58,035
>> Sarah : But sisterhood above all. So.
749
00:33:58,187 --> 00:34:00,995
So what the sister to do? And.
750
00:34:01,067 --> 00:34:03,810
And I just. I just. Empress,
751
00:34:04,175 --> 00:34:06,639
Natalia, throughout the entire
752
00:34:06,719 --> 00:34:09,631
season, I've always been like. I've been like, what
753
00:34:09,655 --> 00:34:12,586
is your game? And.
754
00:34:12,658 --> 00:34:14,550
And they. They did not,
755
00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:18,678
They did not misuse her. they didn't make her
756
00:34:18,734 --> 00:34:21,734
feel seem stupid or anything. They.
757
00:34:21,822 --> 00:34:24,530
I think they did a very interesting job
758
00:34:24,910 --> 00:34:27,854
of, of taking these characters
759
00:34:27,902 --> 00:34:30,638
and putting them into a stereotype.
760
00:34:30,814 --> 00:34:33,486
And then for us to watch how.
761
00:34:33,638 --> 00:34:36,210
Okay, we told you that this character
762
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,576
is the empress and knows her husband
763
00:34:39,608 --> 00:34:40,980
is cheating on her.
764
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,240
Okay, well, we did
765
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,200
not tell you that she is not
766
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:50,792
going down without a fight and she's going to go and hook up with
767
00:34:50,816 --> 00:34:51,740
Desmond
768
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,312
person on her side. And
769
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that scene where she puts Havoco in his
770
00:34:59,264 --> 00:35:01,768
place. I mean, will. We should have seen
771
00:35:01,824 --> 00:35:04,378
Havoco killing himself. coming.
772
00:35:04,514 --> 00:35:05,630
Considering.
773
00:35:06,850 --> 00:35:09,706
Considering he. He. His daughter
774
00:35:09,818 --> 00:35:12,474
ends up in jail. He. He
775
00:35:12,562 --> 00:35:15,018
begs for mercy with
776
00:35:15,074 --> 00:35:17,482
Viola, only for Viola
777
00:35:17,626 --> 00:35:20,570
to. To just. Just be like, oh, you're such
778
00:35:20,610 --> 00:35:23,594
a fool. I don't need you. You.
779
00:35:23,682 --> 00:35:26,666
You may need me in this instance, but, dude, I don't need you.
780
00:35:26,738 --> 00:35:29,178
And, oh, yeah, nothing you do right
781
00:35:29,234 --> 00:35:31,824
now is of your own free will.
782
00:35:31,992 --> 00:35:33,220
So goodbye.
783
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,542
>> Will: Yeah, speaking of it, before we move from that point, as far as the free
784
00:35:36,566 --> 00:35:39,422
will, I. I did like. I
785
00:35:39,446 --> 00:35:42,030
did like how they really played into the
786
00:35:42,070 --> 00:35:44,942
whole. I guess. And I guess later to
787
00:35:44,966 --> 00:35:47,870
Ben and Gessera get into this with our manufacturer, Will Polk
788
00:35:47,950 --> 00:35:50,812
Atreides. But, you know, the bigger, You know,
789
00:35:50,836 --> 00:35:53,532
they were showing those early seeds of how the. The
790
00:35:53,556 --> 00:35:56,262
sisterhood with, you know, with
791
00:35:56,286 --> 00:35:59,192
Desmond's lineage, as far as, you know, figuring out that
792
00:35:59,216 --> 00:36:01,624
he's destined for great things, but also how they matched
793
00:36:01,672 --> 00:36:04,600
Habakko and Natalia. I really. I'm glad they
794
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,320
Added that element to it as well. To really. So that.
795
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,152
Whenever. To that point, getting back to the scene in
796
00:36:10,176 --> 00:36:12,792
question here, when she points that out, that, you
797
00:36:12,816 --> 00:36:15,736
know, we, we, we, we. We planned
798
00:36:15,768 --> 00:36:18,642
this and just. Yeah. it
799
00:36:18,666 --> 00:36:21,500
just really, like, adds just an
800
00:36:21,540 --> 00:36:24,540
extra level of depth and like, you know,
801
00:36:24,580 --> 00:36:27,468
kicking a man when, you know, I won't say kick him when he's
802
00:36:27,484 --> 00:36:29,852
down, but, like, just like, you know, we've been
803
00:36:29,876 --> 00:36:32,748
pulling. We're puppet masters. You've
804
00:36:32,764 --> 00:36:34,200
been a puppet all this time.
805
00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:37,600
>> Sarah : I feel like in that scene,
806
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,712
Viola actually does serve
807
00:36:41,776 --> 00:36:44,720
as a true sayer. And I can't see
808
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,592
that for a lot of scenes. Yeah, I. But
809
00:36:47,616 --> 00:36:50,568
in that moment, it was. No, it was no.
810
00:36:50,624 --> 00:36:53,560
Are they telling the truth? No, it's like I'm telling you the
811
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,232
actual truth verbatim, and the
812
00:36:56,256 --> 00:36:58,968
viewers know it. I, as the viewers are, are
813
00:36:59,024 --> 00:37:01,944
totally on board with the lying
814
00:37:02,072 --> 00:37:04,280
that the truth sayers do, the
815
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,064
manipulation tactics that occur with them.
816
00:37:07,152 --> 00:37:09,976
So. So I think that's why it was like,
817
00:37:10,048 --> 00:37:12,966
oh, dude, she's actually telling you the truth.
818
00:37:13,088 --> 00:37:15,706
And he believes it, too, to some extent. It's
819
00:37:15,738 --> 00:37:18,218
just. It's just the. The
820
00:37:18,274 --> 00:37:20,954
wool got removed, the curtain got
821
00:37:21,042 --> 00:37:23,882
removed from his eyes, and then he's like, I don't know how to live in
822
00:37:23,906 --> 00:37:25,450
this world now, knowing this.
823
00:37:25,570 --> 00:37:28,074
>> Will: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And,
824
00:37:28,242 --> 00:37:31,050
yeah, so, I mean, you're right. I mean, from that moment,
825
00:37:31,210 --> 00:37:34,122
it was. I. I didn't know how he was going
826
00:37:34,146 --> 00:37:37,130
to go out, but at that moment I was like, he ain't gonna make it out of this
827
00:37:37,170 --> 00:37:37,750
season.
828
00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:41,328
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, once
829
00:37:41,384 --> 00:37:43,740
Viola says he got to go.
830
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,540
Bye. Bye. Yep.
831
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,328
Here your. Your time has come to an
832
00:37:51,384 --> 00:37:51,980
end.
833
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,352
But. And. And then
834
00:37:56,456 --> 00:37:59,456
this. This leads into. So by
835
00:37:59,528 --> 00:38:01,920
saying that she gets thrown in jail, which was
836
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,912
purpose, because she. Because she wants to
837
00:38:04,936 --> 00:38:06,020
free Inez.
838
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:08,610
Okay,
839
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:11,690
okay. You know,
840
00:38:13,220 --> 00:38:16,172
and. And Inez puts up a fight and
841
00:38:16,196 --> 00:38:19,068
says, kieran, too. Which. And
842
00:38:19,124 --> 00:38:21,980
there is a little bit of, like, Kieran
843
00:38:22,060 --> 00:38:24,974
at the beginning when we see him. no Australian
844
00:38:25,022 --> 00:38:27,710
accent. I was very. I was very
845
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:30,702
mindful of this episode of tracking an Australian
846
00:38:30,766 --> 00:38:33,502
or a British accent. No, but I swear
847
00:38:33,566 --> 00:38:36,190
last week he had one. Yeah, very
848
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:38,982
annoying. I wonder if it'll return in
849
00:38:39,006 --> 00:38:41,010
season two. But.
850
00:38:42,270 --> 00:38:45,062
So. So there was foreshadowing about how
851
00:38:45,166 --> 00:38:47,574
he, being an Atreides, would never trust a
852
00:38:47,582 --> 00:38:50,550
Harkonnen. Well, unbeknownst him,
853
00:38:50,590 --> 00:38:53,062
by the end of this episode, him,
854
00:38:53,166 --> 00:38:55,606
Inez and a Harkonnen end up on
855
00:38:55,678 --> 00:38:58,672
Atrakis. So. So what you
856
00:38:58,696 --> 00:38:59,580
gonna do?
857
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,344
>> Will: Yeah, but he made it Very clear. I'm not doing it for you, Valia
858
00:39:03,392 --> 00:39:05,340
Harko, and I'm doing it for her.
859
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,794
>> Sarah : Yeah. but. But at the same time, Valia is
860
00:39:08,802 --> 00:39:11,578
just like, I'm not doing this for you either. I'm
861
00:39:11,594 --> 00:39:14,090
doing this for me.
862
00:39:14,130 --> 00:39:16,650
>> Will: Yeah, we're gonna go to Racus for, like.
863
00:39:16,690 --> 00:39:19,350
>> Sarah : Yeah, I don't know if it's for me
864
00:39:20,210 --> 00:39:22,970
because. Because despite what the Ines
865
00:39:23,050 --> 00:39:25,820
may think she understands, she's still
866
00:39:25,860 --> 00:39:27,068
upon, too.
867
00:39:27,204 --> 00:39:30,060
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. And. Yeah, and another thing, too,
868
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:32,412
is, you know who was very conspicuously absent this
869
00:39:32,436 --> 00:39:33,120
episode?
870
00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:33,650
>> Sarah : Who?
871
00:39:34,212 --> 00:39:35,280
>> Will: Constantine.
872
00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:38,508
>> Sarah : Oh, yeah. Yeah. I had that
873
00:39:38,564 --> 00:39:41,356
thought, and then I was like, did they already send him to
874
00:39:41,428 --> 00:39:43,916
attract us? And that's why they ended up there,
875
00:39:43,988 --> 00:39:45,452
because he.
876
00:39:45,636 --> 00:39:48,600
>> Will: He was. He was named head of the fleet. So.
877
00:39:49,060 --> 00:39:51,932
Yeah. Yeah. So I guess the fleet's already. Yeah, so I guess the fleet's already at
878
00:39:51,956 --> 00:39:54,792
Arrakis, or. Or was that. I guess. Yeah, I guess
879
00:39:54,816 --> 00:39:56,520
that's where the conflict was going on. Yeah.
880
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,560
>> Sarah : Yeah, because. Because he wasn't around for any of
881
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,200
this, so. And he wouldn't have let
882
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:05,224
Yanez get thrown into jail, so
883
00:40:05,232 --> 00:40:08,024
I think. Yeah. And that's.
884
00:40:08,072 --> 00:40:10,936
Natalia isn't his mom, so. Yeah,
885
00:40:11,048 --> 00:40:13,800
I think he was like, they had the dinner party, and then he
886
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,128
immediately left.
887
00:40:15,264 --> 00:40:18,104
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cassava co found. Yeah,
888
00:40:18,152 --> 00:40:20,596
yeah. They put that in motions, which, you know, with
889
00:40:20,688 --> 00:40:23,516
Francesca and. And he. You know, he
890
00:40:23,588 --> 00:40:26,412
turned in. Yeah, because he was the one that turned in Kieran, so that
891
00:40:26,436 --> 00:40:29,036
was how he was able to get his father's favor. So. Yeah.
892
00:40:29,068 --> 00:40:29,692
>> Sarah : Right.
893
00:40:29,876 --> 00:40:32,640
>> Will: Yeah. and also with this
894
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,632
whole. The whole sequence there, as far as Theodosia,
895
00:40:35,696 --> 00:40:38,560
you know, Pavala, basically leaving her behind
896
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,472
to do. Be a distraction. And then, you know, and then, of course,
897
00:40:41,496 --> 00:40:44,382
Theodosia also, you know, shape shifts again to
898
00:40:44,406 --> 00:40:47,396
be one of the soldiers there to. When Desmond shows
899
00:40:47,428 --> 00:40:50,162
up, slow him. You know, not only
900
00:40:50,186 --> 00:40:52,962
is. Slowed him down, not maybe the way Valia
901
00:40:53,026 --> 00:40:54,830
thought she was going to slow him down.
902
00:40:55,770 --> 00:40:58,514
>> Sarah : Well, she. She did what? But, Theodore,
903
00:40:58,562 --> 00:41:01,320
is Theodosia dead or just captured?
904
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,560
>> Will: you know, I couldn't tell. I could not
905
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,494
tell, because she was. Because the first time, obviously, she
906
00:41:08,502 --> 00:41:11,502
was Inez, but then she changed it into one of the soldiers there
907
00:41:11,526 --> 00:41:12,786
on the floor that was.
908
00:41:12,858 --> 00:41:15,522
>> Sarah : Yeah, I'm talking about the last time, though, because.
909
00:41:15,626 --> 00:41:18,578
Because Desmond. I can't. He
910
00:41:18,714 --> 00:41:21,474
calls her an abomination because she partly
911
00:41:21,522 --> 00:41:24,322
shape ships back, and he's like, what is
912
00:41:24,346 --> 00:41:25,970
this? Which is ironic.
913
00:41:26,130 --> 00:41:26,800
>> Will: Yeah.
914
00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:30,100
>> Sarah : but. But I couldn't tell if it was like,
915
00:41:30,140 --> 00:41:32,490
lock this up or get rid of this
916
00:41:32,530 --> 00:41:35,146
abomination. Meaning, like, she's dead.
917
00:41:35,258 --> 00:41:35,580
>> Will: Yeah.
918
00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:37,672
>> Sarah : but we'll see. We'll see next season.
919
00:41:38,552 --> 00:41:41,344
Or maybe we won't. Or maybe there's a reason why
920
00:41:41,368 --> 00:41:44,336
it's ambiguous. Ambiguous because she can technically
921
00:41:44,384 --> 00:41:46,412
turn into all these characters who
922
00:41:47,752 --> 00:41:50,704
randomly. They're gonna play a card. Oh, that wasn't that. That. Was
923
00:41:50,728 --> 00:41:51,616
she a Doge?
924
00:41:51,744 --> 00:41:52,452
>> Will: Yeah.
925
00:41:54,102 --> 00:41:56,362
>> Sarah : so this. It all escalates until.
926
00:41:56,982 --> 00:41:59,862
To, them running away from the
927
00:41:59,902 --> 00:42:02,464
castle and, trying to get on a flight
928
00:42:02,528 --> 00:42:05,352
out. And Desmond. Violet
929
00:42:05,432 --> 00:42:08,052
finally stops and says, like,
930
00:42:08,592 --> 00:42:11,472
she'll battle, Desmond.
931
00:42:11,892 --> 00:42:14,346
And, she gets infected by the virus.
932
00:42:14,474 --> 00:42:17,224
And, they
933
00:42:17,248 --> 00:42:20,132
did something very unexpected, which was
934
00:42:21,552 --> 00:42:23,944
they put us. They did a
935
00:42:23,968 --> 00:42:26,372
flashback to.
936
00:42:26,832 --> 00:42:29,642
We heard the story about the first
937
00:42:29,682 --> 00:42:32,410
time she ever used the voice, which
938
00:42:32,466 --> 00:42:35,386
was to save her brother Griffin
939
00:42:35,434 --> 00:42:38,202
from drowning. And we
940
00:42:38,242 --> 00:42:39,702
experienced that.
941
00:42:40,642 --> 00:42:43,162
And the whole time I'm like, this is your
942
00:42:43,202 --> 00:42:45,942
fear. But you saved him.
943
00:42:47,362 --> 00:42:50,042
Which does occur. But then upon
944
00:42:50,122 --> 00:42:52,906
saving him, he then
945
00:42:53,074 --> 00:42:55,896
turns and says, you did this. You killed.
946
00:42:55,944 --> 00:42:58,872
And it's. It's more of that fear that his ultimate
947
00:42:58,952 --> 00:43:01,784
death was fault because of
948
00:43:01,808 --> 00:43:02,088
what.
949
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,688
>> Will: Yeah. Happened at the dinner table.
950
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:06,232
>> Sarah : Yeah, exact. Yeah,
951
00:43:06,312 --> 00:43:09,288
yeah. And that's really the
952
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,992
fear. And then we
953
00:43:12,032 --> 00:43:14,610
get the, The rippling
954
00:43:14,786 --> 00:43:16,222
and. And the.
955
00:43:17,722 --> 00:43:20,572
And then the fear escalates the
956
00:43:20,612 --> 00:43:23,452
same way. Like, everyone's fear is different with all
957
00:43:23,492 --> 00:43:26,364
of these characters. So you see the
958
00:43:26,388 --> 00:43:29,228
part that's different, but then it culminates into
959
00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:31,852
the reveal of the worm, which. The
960
00:43:31,892 --> 00:43:34,652
galaxy. Galaxy itself is fearful
961
00:43:34,732 --> 00:43:37,552
of the monsters on that planet,
962
00:43:38,102 --> 00:43:40,782
because there are beasts that can't be controlled. But
963
00:43:40,822 --> 00:43:43,550
even I pointed out to you, I want to say very
964
00:43:43,606 --> 00:43:46,174
early on, when we first saw the blue eyes, I was
965
00:43:46,198 --> 00:43:48,502
like, why does it look like there's a
966
00:43:48,542 --> 00:43:51,132
thinking, Like a
967
00:43:51,172 --> 00:43:54,012
thinking bot within the worm? Like, that doesn't make
968
00:43:54,052 --> 00:43:55,272
any sense to me.
969
00:43:57,332 --> 00:43:59,948
Yeah, it's because. More so
970
00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:02,912
the virus is a thinking machine
971
00:44:03,252 --> 00:44:05,804
and the worm is just an illusion of
972
00:44:05,828 --> 00:44:08,610
it. and this goes back
973
00:44:08,666 --> 00:44:11,298
to, I think, something that we've touched
974
00:44:11,330 --> 00:44:13,412
on throughout the season about.
975
00:44:14,032 --> 00:44:16,878
They did a, very good job
976
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:19,242
of this whole balance between
977
00:44:20,182 --> 00:44:23,182
the. The. The. The
978
00:44:23,222 --> 00:44:25,944
thinking machinery and then the, the
979
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,968
mythology. Religious aspects of
980
00:44:28,992 --> 00:44:31,640
this. This world. And
981
00:44:31,808 --> 00:44:34,520
because, like,
982
00:44:34,688 --> 00:44:37,676
obviously we understand, like, AI.
983
00:44:38,096 --> 00:44:38,916
>> Will: Yeah.
984
00:44:38,946 --> 00:44:41,792
>> Sarah : And why. And why. Yeah, that's cool. Advancement
985
00:44:41,824 --> 00:44:44,688
of technology, while at the same time you're like, okay, that can
986
00:44:44,712 --> 00:44:47,408
go a bit too far. Bit too far.
987
00:44:47,512 --> 00:44:49,876
Have you seen Westworld? Okay.
988
00:44:51,276 --> 00:44:53,716
but. But then you have like, a legit
989
00:44:53,796 --> 00:44:56,308
monster on a planet with a
990
00:44:56,332 --> 00:44:57,896
valuable resource,
991
00:44:59,036 --> 00:45:02,020
and. And there's like. Like,
992
00:45:02,108 --> 00:45:04,484
you can equate it in real world
993
00:45:04,540 --> 00:45:07,276
to, tornadoes to.
994
00:45:07,396 --> 00:45:10,148
To hurricanes, And.
995
00:45:10,332 --> 00:45:12,256
And earthquakes and,
996
00:45:12,716 --> 00:45:15,124
like. I don't know. There's something
997
00:45:15,260 --> 00:45:17,812
very fascinating about that,
998
00:45:17,884 --> 00:45:20,868
that I feel like I got more out of
999
00:45:20,892 --> 00:45:23,284
this show than I did out of the two
1000
00:45:23,340 --> 00:45:24,056
movies.
1001
00:45:24,936 --> 00:45:26,256
>> Will: M. Really?
1002
00:45:26,556 --> 00:45:29,060
>> Sarah : Yeah. I. I think there were enough
1003
00:45:29,148 --> 00:45:31,776
touches, especially in Dune 2,
1004
00:45:32,106 --> 00:45:35,026
that made me really, like, okay, I could get on
1005
00:45:35,066 --> 00:45:37,954
board with this. And then I heard some discussions about
1006
00:45:38,010 --> 00:45:40,736
Dune too, and I was like, okay, As people are starting
1007
00:45:40,816 --> 00:45:43,760
to color in the boxes
1008
00:45:43,808 --> 00:45:46,320
a bit more about what's cool and why
1009
00:45:46,408 --> 00:45:49,022
Dune has, been talked
1010
00:45:49,054 --> 00:45:51,678
about for a few decades
1011
00:45:51,742 --> 00:45:52,346
now,
1012
00:45:54,556 --> 00:45:56,594
that. It made me curious.
1013
00:45:56,780 --> 00:45:57,266
>> Will: Yeah.
1014
00:45:57,266 --> 00:46:00,216
>> Sarah : And. And. And mainly the. The
1015
00:46:00,336 --> 00:46:02,916
Jesuits side of it all. Like.
1016
00:46:03,216 --> 00:46:03,736
>> Will: Yeah.
1017
00:46:03,816 --> 00:46:06,696
>> Sarah : Like the. It's like, okay, what's going on
1018
00:46:06,736 --> 00:46:09,336
there? What's with these
1019
00:46:09,376 --> 00:46:10,088
witches?
1020
00:46:10,232 --> 00:46:13,208
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, for
1021
00:46:13,232 --> 00:46:16,168
sure. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think that, you know, with the whole. The
1022
00:46:16,192 --> 00:46:19,140
whole thinking machines, everything you just said, cosine.
1023
00:46:19,188 --> 00:46:22,006
Because I. I feel the same way. This. This, you know,
1024
00:46:22,046 --> 00:46:24,914
was, you know, because it took me a while just to get through part
1025
00:46:24,970 --> 00:46:27,876
one of, of Dune. but I, still have
1026
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:30,740
to watch Part two. But I, you know. But.
1027
00:46:30,812 --> 00:46:33,716
But now I'm looking forward to, like. I think when
1028
00:46:33,740 --> 00:46:36,196
I watch part two now, I think I will be able
1029
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:39,126
to, appreciate it more than I
1030
00:46:39,150 --> 00:46:41,894
would have if I had, you know, prior to
1031
00:46:41,934 --> 00:46:44,918
watching this show. Because you're right. I mean, I think it does feel,
1032
00:46:45,006 --> 00:46:47,834
you know, they do a good job of filling in the lore,
1033
00:46:48,384 --> 00:46:51,034
make, you know, giving some again.
1034
00:46:51,334 --> 00:46:54,286
I. I know we'll use it or contextualize tonight, but
1035
00:46:54,310 --> 00:46:57,118
I mean, it really does contextualize things in so many ways.
1036
00:46:57,166 --> 00:47:00,046
Especially like when we see, for example, when Desmond
1037
00:47:00,110 --> 00:47:02,786
is, When
1038
00:47:02,810 --> 00:47:05,666
they do put the thinking machine in his eye.
1039
00:47:05,810 --> 00:47:06,418
>> Sarah : Yeah.
1040
00:47:06,546 --> 00:47:09,378
>> Will: Yeah. And. And we. And
1041
00:47:09,386 --> 00:47:12,258
we. And. And. But they also, you know, have that figure
1042
00:47:12,306 --> 00:47:14,998
off in the distance and. And. And
1043
00:47:15,086 --> 00:47:17,814
we, like, as we were just trying to disfigure if it was
1044
00:47:17,934 --> 00:47:20,918
this Haro working with them or, you know, who, you
1045
00:47:20,926 --> 00:47:23,206
know, is this another thinking machine? Is this just, you know,
1046
00:47:23,230 --> 00:47:26,006
assistant? Is it
1047
00:47:26,030 --> 00:47:28,598
another. Another sister? I mean, you know.
1048
00:47:28,766 --> 00:47:29,110
>> Sarah : Yeah.
1049
00:47:29,142 --> 00:47:31,030
>> Will: As far as the Sisterhood, is it Raquela.
1050
00:47:31,062 --> 00:47:33,700
>> Sarah : I mean, Sister. it might be another
1051
00:47:33,772 --> 00:47:35,668
Harkonnen. I don't think it's a sister.
1052
00:47:35,796 --> 00:47:38,756
>> Will: Yes. Yeah. Well. Yeah, well, I was thinking if it were a
1053
00:47:38,780 --> 00:47:41,542
sister, I was thinking, like, maybe. Maybe Raquela,
1054
00:47:41,628 --> 00:47:44,512
you know, because of the, Because, you know, she was
1055
00:47:44,568 --> 00:47:47,520
very sympathetic, obviously, towards the thinking
1056
00:47:47,552 --> 00:47:50,032
machines. With, you know, given that she did have the
1057
00:47:50,088 --> 00:47:52,794
honorable, machine there in.
1058
00:47:53,494 --> 00:47:55,054
On Wallet nine.
1059
00:47:55,174 --> 00:47:57,294
>> Sarah : So I don't know if that was
1060
00:47:57,414 --> 00:48:00,142
sympathetic or. I
1061
00:48:00,198 --> 00:48:02,734
need this for. To do my
1062
00:48:02,774 --> 00:48:03,310
work.
1063
00:48:03,462 --> 00:48:06,226
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I guess that's me. Yeah, I guess
1064
00:48:06,310 --> 00:48:06,934
hour.
1065
00:48:07,234 --> 00:48:09,322
>> Sarah : So. Yeah. Yeah.
1066
00:48:09,338 --> 00:48:11,834
>> Will: But I mean, yeah, just. It's just so many mysteries
1067
00:48:11,914 --> 00:48:14,906
that. And threads today that we. Like
1068
00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:17,882
I said they answered a lot of questions, but they,
1069
00:48:18,018 --> 00:48:20,778
they put a bunch. They put a big one out that.
1070
00:48:20,866 --> 00:48:23,466
With that reveal of how
1071
00:48:23,570 --> 00:48:26,134
Desmond became the
1072
00:48:26,294 --> 00:48:27,840
transmitter of the virus.
1073
00:48:28,032 --> 00:48:30,976
>> Sarah : Yeah, no, I, I think. I think
1074
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,888
you will have a very good time
1075
00:48:33,976 --> 00:48:36,608
if you watch Dune to Overbreak
1076
00:48:36,656 --> 00:48:39,442
or future, coming
1077
00:48:39,498 --> 00:48:42,146
off of this show. Because I even had a
1078
00:48:42,170 --> 00:48:45,122
moment when Valia was just taking out guards
1079
00:48:45,218 --> 00:48:47,986
left and right with the Voice thinking self
1080
00:48:48,050 --> 00:48:50,546
like, oh, I
1081
00:48:50,650 --> 00:48:53,586
forgot nobody knows about the
1082
00:48:53,610 --> 00:48:54,194
Voice.
1083
00:48:54,354 --> 00:48:55,054
>> Will: Right.
1084
00:48:55,594 --> 00:48:58,434
>> Sarah : Which. So. So we saw the origin story,
1085
00:48:58,554 --> 00:49:01,186
which is so not
1086
00:49:01,290 --> 00:49:04,114
like, wasn't in my consciousness just
1087
00:49:04,154 --> 00:49:06,726
because it was used so much in
1088
00:49:06,830 --> 00:49:09,766
the. The movies and
1089
00:49:09,870 --> 00:49:12,552
talked about and to the point where
1090
00:49:12,688 --> 00:49:15,576
when Will Polk and his mom get captured in
1091
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,168
the first one, like, the guards are very
1092
00:49:18,256 --> 00:49:21,000
adamant about covering their mouths.
1093
00:49:21,192 --> 00:49:24,040
Like they can't use the Voice because. And then
1094
00:49:24,112 --> 00:49:27,112
we see them escape by.
1095
00:49:27,248 --> 00:49:30,056
Because they. They were able to manipulate the situation
1096
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,854
and everything and. And get those. And
1097
00:49:33,634 --> 00:49:36,458
like, that's a powerful tool tool
1098
00:49:36,546 --> 00:49:39,546
that. That started 10,000 years ahead of
1099
00:49:39,570 --> 00:49:42,330
that. And that's. That's really where I also want to leave
1100
00:49:42,362 --> 00:49:45,212
it is. this show is. Is this
1101
00:49:45,268 --> 00:49:47,784
idea that I still have
1102
00:49:48,084 --> 00:49:50,924
a problem. And I think it'll. I think it
1103
00:49:50,964 --> 00:49:53,660
could become more inflamed in the second
1104
00:49:53,732 --> 00:49:56,520
season. because I watched this happen
1105
00:49:56,592 --> 00:49:59,492
with House of Dragon, because
1106
00:49:59,548 --> 00:50:01,064
with House of Dragon,
1107
00:50:02,364 --> 00:50:05,092
we. Throughout especially the second
1108
00:50:05,148 --> 00:50:08,020
season, the Song of Ice and Fire. Song
1109
00:50:08,052 --> 00:50:10,356
of Ice and fire happened
1110
00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:13,476
200 years later. And we all,
1111
00:50:13,580 --> 00:50:16,404
like a lot of us watched Game of Thrones and
1112
00:50:16,444 --> 00:50:19,220
that was the Song of Ice and Fire. So
1113
00:50:19,292 --> 00:50:21,860
to. To watch characters be
1114
00:50:21,932 --> 00:50:24,656
fearful about stuff that the
1115
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,404
viewer already knows will happen
1116
00:50:27,784 --> 00:50:29,644
not in present time,
1117
00:50:30,984 --> 00:50:33,840
that gets the. The stakes. I don't
1118
00:50:33,872 --> 00:50:36,864
know if it's. It just weakens the stakes
1119
00:50:36,944 --> 00:50:39,680
because you're, as a viewer, you're just like, you.
1120
00:50:39,832 --> 00:50:42,624
You feel like people are talking about the end of a story, but
1121
00:50:42,664 --> 00:50:45,392
you've already watched that play out and it has
1122
00:50:45,448 --> 00:50:48,032
nothing to like. It's just weird. And
1123
00:50:48,088 --> 00:50:50,794
so I know that they're not
1124
00:50:50,834 --> 00:50:53,626
necessarily talking about the Messiah, AKA
1125
00:50:53,690 --> 00:50:56,218
Will Polk, but they.
1126
00:50:56,306 --> 00:50:58,426
They do keep referencing the
1127
00:50:58,450 --> 00:51:01,014
Reckoning. And
1128
00:51:02,034 --> 00:51:04,746
I don't know how many seasons you can get
1129
00:51:04,770 --> 00:51:07,610
out, get out with like this
1130
00:51:07,682 --> 00:51:10,454
fear of the reckoning coming
1131
00:51:11,634 --> 00:51:14,330
and, and, and. And not
1132
00:51:14,402 --> 00:51:17,144
tie it somewhat to something that will
1133
00:51:17,184 --> 00:51:19,768
happen 10,000 years later. I don't know.
1134
00:51:19,856 --> 00:51:22,416
But, they somewhat
1135
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,464
do to an extent. And
1136
00:51:25,254 --> 00:51:28,030
I'll let you watch Dune too and then you can.
1137
00:51:28,182 --> 00:51:30,876
And we might have a sidebar conversation
1138
00:51:30,940 --> 00:51:33,612
about what I'm alluding to about.
1139
00:51:33,748 --> 00:51:34,664
They do,
1140
00:51:36,414 --> 00:51:38,354
somewhat talk about.
1141
00:51:39,534 --> 00:51:42,320
I can see how this
1142
00:51:42,392 --> 00:51:45,184
plan of theirs essentially
1143
00:51:45,264 --> 00:51:47,604
does come fulfilled
1144
00:51:49,304 --> 00:51:50,384
with Will Polk.
1145
00:51:50,544 --> 00:51:51,136
>> Will: Okay.
1146
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,664
>> Sarah : Essentially. So, so
1147
00:51:53,704 --> 00:51:56,496
it's. Maybe that's why I always give you Nez
1148
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,184
the side eye because I'm like, I don't think she's the one
1149
00:51:59,224 --> 00:51:59,844
guy.
1150
00:52:02,914 --> 00:52:05,540
but anyway, Well, it was a good
1151
00:52:05,612 --> 00:52:06,198
show.
1152
00:52:06,356 --> 00:52:07,014
>> Will: It was.
1153
00:52:07,514 --> 00:52:10,386
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, like I said last week, I, I'm glad that
1154
00:52:10,410 --> 00:52:13,386
you. Glad that you like picked this one
1155
00:52:13,410 --> 00:52:16,320
for us to to, to be the show to wrap
1156
00:52:16,352 --> 00:52:19,098
up the year with, along as a
1157
00:52:19,106 --> 00:52:22,004
companion to our Superman and Lois discussions earlier. But yeah,
1158
00:52:22,004 --> 00:52:24,826
ah, this is a strong show. I think it was overall, like I said, I think it
1159
00:52:24,850 --> 00:52:27,584
was. I really
1160
00:52:27,624 --> 00:52:30,272
enjoyed it. And I'm glad I got renewed for a second
1161
00:52:30,328 --> 00:52:33,296
season because as I said last week and even more so
1162
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,914
after this finale, I'm definitely vested now.
1163
00:52:36,224 --> 00:52:39,084
and it's got me M a, ah, new appreciation of the Dune,
1164
00:52:40,354 --> 00:52:41,374
franchise.
1165
00:52:42,674 --> 00:52:45,210
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm more
1166
00:52:45,282 --> 00:52:48,206
invested now than I was, after watching
1167
00:52:48,270 --> 00:52:51,098
both movies. both movies
1168
00:52:51,146 --> 00:52:54,042
though do have points like you watch the first
1169
00:52:54,098 --> 00:52:55,882
one for Oscar Isaac. Okay.
1170
00:52:55,978 --> 00:52:56,442
>> Will: Yeah.
1171
00:52:56,538 --> 00:52:59,194
>> Sarah : There's still scenes from that first one I can
1172
00:52:59,234 --> 00:53:02,138
visualize in my mind and I've only ever seen, seen that movie
1173
00:53:02,186 --> 00:53:04,926
once. Dune too similar.
1174
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:07,154
There are scenes I can visualize.
1175
00:53:07,874 --> 00:53:10,284
there it's, it moves a lot
1176
00:53:10,324 --> 00:53:12,902
quicker. but at the same
1177
00:53:12,958 --> 00:53:14,834
time I think I have more
1178
00:53:15,614 --> 00:53:18,518
respect for it and more appreciation for it
1179
00:53:18,606 --> 00:53:21,314
now than I did when I first watched it.
1180
00:53:22,094 --> 00:53:24,854
Yeah. Yeah. On
1181
00:53:24,894 --> 00:53:27,814
that note, Will, why don't you tell our listeners where they
1182
00:53:27,854 --> 00:53:28,968
can find you?
1183
00:53:29,126 --> 00:53:31,950
>> Will: Yes, wish everyone a happy holidays and
1184
00:53:32,022 --> 00:53:34,272
look forward to you all joining us in
1185
00:53:34,296 --> 00:53:36,592
2025. And you can find me on the
1186
00:53:36,616 --> 00:53:39,344
socials at Will and Polk
1187
00:53:39,392 --> 00:53:41,920
W I L L M P O L K.
1188
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,576
>> Sarah : And you can find me there too at SJ Balmont
1189
00:53:44,608 --> 00:53:47,456
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