
Greetings nerds! Sarah Belmont and Will Polk are back on Scene N Nerd, wrapping up 2024 with a bang and a lot of geeky goodness. They're diving into the chaos caused by the writer and actor strikes of 2023, which impacted shows like Dune Prophecy with...
Greetings nerds! Sarah Belmont and Will Polk are back on Scene N Nerd, wrapping up 2024 with a bang and a lot of geeky goodness. They're diving into the chaos caused by the writer and actor strikes of 2023, which impacted shows like Dune Prophecy with its shorter season. Our dynamic duo dissects the season finale, exploring juicy themes like sacrifice and a fear-eating virus.
Things lighten up as they break down the new Superman trailer that's breaking the internet with over 250 million views. They're debating whether the Man of Steel can outmuscle the Fantastic Four at the box office, especially with the charismatic Pedro Pascal joining the party. And just imagine – could there be a dance-off in the Superman flick?
As they wrap things up, Sarah and Will are buzzing about how the Dune: Prophecy is expanding the Dune lore.
Thanks for joining us in 2024. Look for our new season starting on January 7, 2025!
Timestamps
0:00 Welcome and Opening Thoughts
3:00 Thoughts on the Superman trailer and its potential impact on next summer's release schedule.
14:45 Dune: Prophecy Episode 1 x 6 season finale review.
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>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and
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with me, as always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk. How are you doing
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tonight, Will?
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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. Merry Christmas Eve
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Eve.
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>> Sarah : Merry Christmas Eve Eve. And
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Happy Almost
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New Year.
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>> Will: Yeah, I know, I know. 2024 coming
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to a quick close.
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>> Sarah : A, quick close. I mean, we
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did our 2024 in review last
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week, and I know you have a note
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because you've thought about it a while. I have not.
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>> Will: No, no. Well, it was really a note from our
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discussion tonight about Dune
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prophecy. And that's why I put that on there,
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because I was, I was thinking about the list, and I
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was thinking about how we. We did our. Our list
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last. For last year. For the year. And I was thinking
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about last year with the strike and like, thinking
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about House of the Dragon and
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how the strike, you know, impacted this season as
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far as the shows and thinking about some other things as well. And
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one of the things, I was wondering when I wrote
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this note last night was I wonder if the strike
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impacted Dune. And sure enough, I
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was listening to the official podcast today, and,
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the, showrunner was talking about how the reason why
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they only had six episodes was because it was
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impacted by the writers in actor strike. So I was like, ah,
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so that, that really, you know, and it was what, what
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spurred it was our text exchange last night, whenever,
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after we both watched the episode and, and. And that's what kind of
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got my. Got the gears turning after, after.
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After we. We talked. So, OB attack. So that's what.
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That's, that's where that note came from.
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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, I mean, I know I recalled
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you mentioning that throughout the year,
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you kept bringing up the writer strikes when we were talking about
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various, TV shows.
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and sure, they get. I, I get
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it. Shortened seasons and
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it screws up with pacing and they can't fully
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execute what they can do. But at
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the same time I'm like, okay, sure, use that
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excuse. You got it this season. We'll see what you say next
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season when you screw something.
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>> Will: For sure. For sure. Yeah, everybody's. Everybody's got one Mulligan for
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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got one legit
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excuse. A strike won't happen again for another 10
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years. So, yeah, yeah,
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just, like, keep in mind, then you got to
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deliver the following year even more because
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you don't got that excuse. And then if you
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don't deliver, then it's kind of like, well, I
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wonder how Much that did affect the previous
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year.
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yeah. But before we get fully into Dune
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prophecy, we do have
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a very small trailer that nobody's
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watching, has seen at all. I mean, I
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feel like we're the only people who are gonna ever
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talk about this trailer. But the, the
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little Superman trailer dropped
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and Well, it looks like a Superman
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movie.
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>> Will: Yeah, it looks like a good Superman movie.
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And I know, I mean plenty
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of reactors out there have shared their thoughts and I won't get
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into like all the scenes. Everybody's seen it.
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I mean, hell, it's like I think at least
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250 million views over as
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I think the first 24 hours alone think is that a new record
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for WB and and also DC
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as far as their films break thing? I broke the minus. I
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think it actually broke man of Steel's record.
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>> Sarah : Yeah.
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>> Will: And and then of course I think it was over a million social
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posts in that same time period. So no,
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nobody's talking about this at all. But but well,
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at least for, I will say that, you
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know, I did my, my raw
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reaction when I first watched it was like
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James Gunn, you know, you,
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I, I, I love, I, I'm
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looking forward to July. And my second
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thought was I wonder if Marvel's gonna like push back
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Fantastic Four after this because it comes
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out two weeks after the Superman
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premieres on July 11th. So that's
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my, that's the only other thing. those are the two things that like popped out of my
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head when I first watched the trailer.
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>> Sarah : Yeah. Trying to think.
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No, no, that did move because I
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remember Civil War and Batman V
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Superman, ah, were originally slated to come out like
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within a two week period of each other. And then
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Superman v Batman, Batman V Superman got pushed
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to March of that year. Yeah, yeah,
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yeah, yeah. I don't think anyone is
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gonna blink in this. I don't,
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I don't think so because I
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mean people have pointed out, but
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this is more like counter programming. But the whole
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Barbenheimer thing that happened last
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year.
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>> Will: That's a good point.
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>> Sarah : That could very well happen again here. I
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mean the same people
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are going to go and see both movies,
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arguably. And then Fantastic Four
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also has this little known actor who's barely
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in anything called Pedro Pascal.
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And then Johnny Storm. I
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swear I keep seeing new trailers for movies
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coming out and he's in everything
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these days. Like, who'd have thought that guy
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from, from Stranger Things would,
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would just, just, just soar? I mean, and,
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and now, now did you hear the rumor Sadie
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Singh from Stranger Things is rumored to be Jean
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Grey.
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>> Will: I heard that. Yes. Actually, I saw, I was watching
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Snyder's, and Rocha talk about it live on the show
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last week, and I was just like, All right.
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>> Sarah : I was just like, you know what?
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Perfect. Because, the way she, like,
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held together the. The first half
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of season four, like,
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she. She was the reason why I was, like,
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suddenly interested. And then I would just fast
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forward through every Millie Bobby Brown scene.
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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is. Yeah. Ah,
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same. I mean, yeah, I mean, she really was the glue to hell.
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See that? And also, And, what was the character's
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name, in Stranger Things.
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>> Sarah : Oh, gosh, it's been a while. It's been a while. I'm
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sorry.
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Storyline, like, did a lot.
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but, yeah, and. And we should be talking.
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We should be able to recall their not
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names much better next year. Right? That's when
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the final season will come out.
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>> Will: That's when it drops. Yep. So. Yeah,
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so, yeah. But, yeah, like I said, you know, getting
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back to the Superman trailer and, and all. I mean, I really did
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enjoy it. I am really looking forward to it probably.
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And I think, you know, it,
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The. The whole, you know, they had the whole
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marketing push. You know, they had the poster
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dropped and they had the teaser of the teaser, and then we actually had a
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teaser. And you know, I just. I just keep thinking,
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look up and. And I like the music
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that they did it in more of a D
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minor, I believe, as far as the, John Williams
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theme and sort instead of C major. So I was just like,
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okay, I'm. I'm rocking with this. And,
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yeah, I'm. It's. It's, I'm excited for it.
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I really am. And maybe, maybe this will get
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you back on the DC train. Other than Peacemaker.
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>> Sarah : I'm off the DC train.
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>> Will: I thought you were. I thought you were done with DC or just
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dceu.
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>> Sarah : I'm just. I'm just kind of over
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studios in general promising things,
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never delivering or then delivering them. Half
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ass.
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>> Will: Got it. Got it. I don't think this.
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>> Sarah : I. I call a spade a spade. I call a
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dud a dud.
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>> Will: True.
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>> Sarah : you do. Except for like. Like Love and
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Thunder.
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>> Will: Yes.
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>> Sarah : Which I still had a good time. Have I watched it
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again? No.
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>> Will: Oh, I never will. I will never watch that
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movie again.
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>> Sarah : So. So. So before you we jump into
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Dune, I would like to say my thoughts because this is a trailer I
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actually watched, because it is a legit teaser.
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I still don't really know what is happening.
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I see the montage and I
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see clips. I feel like they gave away too
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many of the Lois and Clark kissing scenes,
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especially one in particular, which I'm like,
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that would have been better, but. But we'll see.
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and. And I. I am mainly
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looking forward to this because
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of the actress who plays Lois
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Lane, formally played
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Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. Everyone knows how much I
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adored that show and performance in it.
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So I really am excited to see that,
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especially coming off of the final season of
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Superman and Lois, which we always talked
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about Lois and that
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character. So to now go into
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the. The theatrical realm
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with that character in this relationship,
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I'm excited for all of that. And yes, James
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Gunn, he's really good.
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He has delivered some stuff, but
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he. He. He's not. I
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just. Everyone keep in mind, all filmmakers,
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like, look at their discography or
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their. Their. Their filmography because
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they're never without their duds. And
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I'm not saying that this will be one. I don't
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think it will. But what I am saying is the man
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doesn't walk on water. Okay.
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Even if he delivers here, it's not
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gonna, like just the
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Guardians of Galaxy. It's a good trilogy.
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I don't think it's the best trilogy out there by any
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means. I think that,
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like, there, especially the sequel is
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very controversial. Like, you find a lot of
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people, either you love it or you hate it. There's no in
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between. And. And for anyone who
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might be on the in between, they usually. They
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usually then even find more weirdness
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with the third one. So it's,
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And. And I'm also also
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looking forward to Peacemaker, too, right now. So.
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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, it's come out. I think it's coming out later
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next year. Yeah.
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>> Sarah : yeah, yeah. Because. Because if. If he's
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able to, like, just sneak in a John
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Superman, be
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hilarious.
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>> Will: That would be. That would be. I mean,
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I would have put it past him.
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>> Sarah : Like, I don't know, while they're rolling
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credits, just John Scene N coming
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over and him and corn sweat.
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Peacemaker opening dance sequence.
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That's what the people would want.
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>> Will: That's what. Yes. Yes.
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>> Sarah : Come on.
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>> Will: Yes. If that happens. If that
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happens. Wow. That would just
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make my movie go in year.
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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Or if there's an opening
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dance sequence in Superman.
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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Don't think that's going to be the case, but it's
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very likely it's very likely to have that. That,
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Scene N showing up, showing Clark the,
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the moves there with Peacemaker.
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superheroes exist in this universe.
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>> Sarah : Okay, okay, like, slow your roll,
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because I think. Let's go back to
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this opening dance sequence. And, yeah, we're going to get to Dune
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prophecy, but we'll want to talk Superman. so here we are,
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Guardians of Galaxy One. Technically,
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the opening was a dance sequence.
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>> Will: It was.
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>> Sarah : It was. It was.
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>> Will: Yeah.
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>> Sarah : So that makes me think,
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more of his history,
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we might be getting a dance sequence. I don't know. I don't
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>> Will: Yeah, we might. We might.
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>> Sarah : I'm trying to remember if, Suicide Squad opened with a
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dance sequence,
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or the Suicide.
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>> Will: The Suicide Squad. Yeah. I don't think so. I think they just had the
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first. Spoiler alert. You haven't watched it?
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I think the first few minutes was just everybody, you know, they had to
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pull everybody together, and then they all got killed.
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>> Sarah : Right. Well. Well, we'll see.
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>> Will: Yeah. You know, was very
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prominently, displayed in the. In the
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first few minutes of that film, too. So maybe
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we'll get it here as well.
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>> Sarah : I don't know why, but, like, all
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Squad is, like, the giant starfish at the
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end and. And just the
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rat.
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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do need to.
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>> Sarah : Weasel didn't know that movie.
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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I do need to watch Creature
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Comfort. Creature Commandos. I did it again.
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>> Sarah : Oh, my God. Will, the. Will
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you just. You need to stop saying the title
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of that show.
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>> Will: That shirt is currently on right now, in the
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DC Studios universe. Yeah, that one
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command creature with the c. yeah, I need
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to watch that. I keep. Yeah, Yeah. I guess the other
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thing that's coming out, too, in. In January
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is the. I said the other thing that's coming out in January, too. That's part of the whole
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Nic park universe, is another Wallace and Gromit. So that's why I
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was, like, thinking that again.
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>> Sarah : Oh, my God.
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>> Will: we're off the rails. Give me back on track.
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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Don't. Don't worry. yeah, while you
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go and handle these three creatures, we
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will also be watching what if. And,
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in 2025, we will break down our
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thoughts on the final season of what if.
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And. And, you know, you know, we'll. We'll figure
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out a way this. This time of the
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year. We are just wrapping things up
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and. And a new path Forward
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will be, set.
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but. All right, let's wrap up Doom
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prophecy.
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>> Will: Yeah, let's do that.
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>> Sarah : As mentioned earlier, there was a text
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message exchange that mainly consisted of
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me saying, well, I
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enjoyed the pilot episode
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of the show. Not
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that the final hour was the pilot episode, but more
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so that by the conclusion you can
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really. There's a sense of, oh, this
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is only the beginning. The
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pieces are now in place for the full story
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to be told. They just had to set
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a ton of groundwork.
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episodes or these six episodes are really
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the entire pilot of the
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show itself self. And and,
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and I, and I like it. I, I really.
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The word I would just. I am
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constantly going to be using when I'm talking about the show
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is consistent. They are very
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consistent. I'm neither blown away by
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anything, but I'm not underwhelmed
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either. I'm not like, and.
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And I'm just. They. They got a lot of good
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mechanics. I still though
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the one thing that I'm still just
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like, I don't know how to
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feel is I
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don't know. I don't find myself
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necessarily rooting for anyone. The
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closest person I'm rooting for is Tula.
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but everyone else, I'm just like, I
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don't really know because either they didn't go
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into the backstory, like we didn't spend
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enough time with Dorada
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to, to really understand
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her plea. And I think that they did that
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purposeful because she really is a villain, and a
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nemesis for Viola.
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either because she's, she's
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just, she's very Viola about things
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and it's annoying. and, and then you
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got the whole Inez and Kieran situation
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of it all. but before we get into
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Will's, thoughts, I just want to go through the
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IMDb summary real quick for
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episode six. The higher handed
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enemy. IMDb
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summarizes, this episode. As
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Tula contends with the stunning reveal of
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Desmond's true identity, the acolytes under
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uncover a devastating long held secret about the
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sisterhood. Meanwhile, Violet executes her plan
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for Inez's escape, which leads to an epic
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confrontation with an increasing,
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increasingly powerful Desmond.
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Will, what are your thoughts?
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>> Will: Very similar to yours. that I did feel like this.
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The pilot. Well, the
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episode one, episode six were truly bookends
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of each other in the sense that we, you know,
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we. We get the story of what
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happened that night when ah,
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Viola uses the voice
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on Doretta to, to,
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have her kill herself. And then we. But we see it from
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Tula's perspective, so. Because, you know, whenever we first. Whenever
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we saw an episode one, you know, we didn't really
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have any idea if there were any witnesses to it or
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not. I can. Yeah. And I can't remember if we speculated about whether
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or not there were any. But.
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But, But, yeah, but we. But we, you know, we did
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get Tula's perspective as well as the other
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two sisters, as part of their little
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group. And so I thought that, you know,
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so to get.
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>> Sarah : Sorry, I just want to point out who were also.
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They. That was Kasha and Francesca.
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>> Will: That's right. Right.
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>> Sarah : Yeah. Which is very important because I didn't
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even think about that and why those two
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sisters, were
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so key in terms of the events of this
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season.
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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, because. Yeah, because as we later get into
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the episode, we, you know, we. We get the,
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confirmation about the imprinting, Francesca with,
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Habakko. And of course. And
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again, there were just. Just the whole plan
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and. And. And really just
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really set, set up a lot in the. In
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the opening minutes, actually, when I first started watching, and I was just like,
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am I. Did I make mis. Did I, like, fast forward
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by mistake to. To another thing? But then I realized I was like, oh, no, this
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is. This is getting other. Other folks perspectives. And I thought
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that was a very solid way to start the episode, to just sort
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of, again, given that this was the finale
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and it. And it truly was a finale. I mean,
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it had, It
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definitely, like, ended a lot of many.
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Many of the pieces that were set up throughout this
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season, but also by either
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design or. Or by just running
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out of time, let
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things, on the table for. To be explored in a future
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season, which we did get confirmation this week. Just before we get
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deeper into our discussion here, that the show was renewed
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for a second season. So thankfully, we didn't get a
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situation where we. We get an ending where they're
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on that we got. And then we were like, okay, what
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happens? Because, you know, because like you said, I
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mean, this show was very consistent and. And it
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reached a point as. As the more I watched it, the more.
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The more I appreciated what they were doing. I
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mean, and you're right, there were
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certain. I mean, there were consistency
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about how they were going about this story there. And then they were like,
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multiple what the moments throughout this
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episode, you know, since it was a season
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finale.
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>> Sarah : Yeah. So, like, let's Just stick on the
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flashbacks because. So.
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Because they. They run these throughout, not just
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the opening sequence, but throughout the episode.
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And. And I did notice the editing
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tricks that they used were very good. Very
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good. And they tell, arguably two different
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sets of flashbacks
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that are kind of throughout the
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same. They are throughout the same timeline
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because not only did we not
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realize that,
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Tula watched her sister
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commit this act of murder,
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essentially, but she also
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then very quickly admitted that
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she was pregnant with. With a
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part Atreides. And
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surprisingly, in that moment when you think
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you understand Viola, she says, oh, we
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can raise it together. Yeah.
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>> Will: Yeah. I was like, oh, okay.
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>> Sarah : I don't know how to feel about that.
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And then fast forward. Tula, did not know how to
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feel about that either. She's like,
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nope, not gonna let my sister near this
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kid. And
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it's a very heartbreaking scene
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to watch Tula hold her child.
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And then for, Was it Kasha or
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was it Francesca? I think it was Francesca who
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comes and says, okay, we
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have the stillborn M. And then the
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exchange. Because. And.
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And you're just. You're like.
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It just reminds me about
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all the times throughout this. The show
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when there are
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moments, of between Tula and
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the other sisters of, like, about
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sacrifice and,
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giving things up. And.
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up because she couldn't
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let. And I thought it was a very
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well done, monologue that
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Tula delivers about
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how she wanted to
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gift her son freedom.
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>> Will: Yeah.
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>> Sarah : And the only way to do that would be
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by giving him up. Unfortunately,
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simultaneously in present day, she is trying
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to reconcile with the fact that why
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giving him freedom, she
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allowed a bigger enemy
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to obtain him and
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manipulate and reconfigure him
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into this weapon.
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And it's just. Oh,
502
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I was like, wow. Wow, that's. That's
503
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pretty. Pretty intense.
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>> Will: Yeah.
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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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>> Will: That. That scene was pretty intense and. And
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very powerful moment. I mean, I think the. You know,
508
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they did a solid job of getting.
509
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Casting the younger actress to play
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these Tula and. And Viola,
511
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and. And. And it really just
512
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frames why Tula,
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when she's older, why she was so. Like you said, you know, why
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she had, you know, these maternal
515
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feelings as far as protection with Lila. so, I mean, it
516
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did, you know, so, yeah. So, like. Yeah, so
517
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it. It really. I think for me, it was just
518
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like watching that,
519
00:23:38,366 --> 00:23:40,972
it just. It just contextualizes so much
520
00:23:41,044 --> 00:23:43,900
about what was going on this season. So, yes,
521
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there were some places where they could have gone a little bit deeper,
522
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but at the same time they had enough
523
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depth as far as things as. As the season went
524
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through that whenever we got these moments here in the finale, it's just like,
525
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okay, yeah, that. That makes total sense now.
526
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Why. Why decisions and
527
00:24:00,260 --> 00:24:03,036
motivations and actions were. Were made by
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these characters in the prior five
529
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episodes.
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>> Sarah : Oh, I think. I think with Tula,
531
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they went the deepest, arguably with
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her character, for sure. I think
533
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that. So we have
534
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Tula in the present. And one of
535
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the best, scenes in this episode for me is
536
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when they
537
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realize what they have to do, in terms of
538
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trying to figure out and understand this virus.
539
00:24:32,916 --> 00:24:35,176
And I just. There was something
540
00:24:35,476 --> 00:24:38,172
so cool
541
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about how they
542
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managed to,
543
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Because we've seen now this virus attack
544
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in a few different ways. but we've
545
00:24:50,414 --> 00:24:53,086
never seen it in this way where they had the
546
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DNA and the particles via
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screen and then you're watching
548
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the currents and, the whole sequence. I
549
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,584
just. I was riveted by. For some reason,
550
00:25:04,672 --> 00:25:07,528
I was like, they're not doing that
551
00:25:07,584 --> 00:25:10,408
much. But. But for some reason, between the
552
00:25:10,464 --> 00:25:13,240
acting and the visuals,
553
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,216
you. You really do. You're like them
554
00:25:16,288 --> 00:25:19,208
and you understand what this is
555
00:25:19,264 --> 00:25:22,148
doing. When we say it feeds off
556
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fear. And then you see it
557
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more personified at the
558
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end with. With Viola. So. And I think. And I think they
559
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did that purposely because I don't think you would
560
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understand as much
561
00:25:36,220 --> 00:25:38,868
as when you go through the experience with
562
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Thyla then without
563
00:25:41,660 --> 00:25:44,372
understanding the science behind it or
564
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the mythology behind it.
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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, that. That was thinking that total
566
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thing whenever. Yeah, again, they did. As you said,
567
00:25:52,626 --> 00:25:55,562
they're very consistent and they were. The way they structured
568
00:25:55,626 --> 00:25:58,362
these things, they do build on each
569
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other, so.
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>> Sarah : Right.
571
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>> Will: So, yeah, so, you know, so, yes, the show didn't have a lot
572
00:26:02,402 --> 00:26:05,194
of. It was very talky. You know, there were some
573
00:26:05,202 --> 00:26:07,770
pacing issues at times. But at the end of the
574
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day, to your point, whenever they have
575
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these set pieces like they did in this episode,
576
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,496
the payoff was. Was clearly there with. With Viola.
577
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Especially when, we saw the external
578
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manifestation of the, The, I think it was the Omnicron
579
00:26:22,146 --> 00:26:25,032
virus. but. Omnibus virus
580
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or whatever it's called. But yeah, whatever, you know.
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>> Sarah : Well.
582
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>> Will: Well, yeah, well, you know, whenever. Well, the
583
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middle of the episode when Tula and the other sister
584
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was. Were. Were.
585
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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. It wasn't Lila who was with.
586
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>> Will: No. Viola.
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>> Sarah : Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanna.
588
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I just. I just wanna, go
589
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through the. The acolyte
590
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situation because I found it
591
00:26:53,780 --> 00:26:56,696
funny. Like, we know why Tula left,
592
00:26:57,076 --> 00:26:59,804
but I. I Think. I think it was very
593
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important for it to be,
594
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like, building up to this
595
00:27:05,092 --> 00:27:08,064
point of, clearly, the acolytes are.
596
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Are riling up. They're
597
00:27:11,024 --> 00:27:13,888
about to start a rebellion. And Tula
598
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is just. Is just in her own world,
599
00:27:17,096 --> 00:27:19,716
realizes her son is alive
600
00:27:20,136 --> 00:27:23,008
being used against her and her sister
601
00:27:23,152 --> 00:27:25,696
and all of this stuff and all of this
602
00:27:25,736 --> 00:27:27,826
guilt and, it just
603
00:27:28,366 --> 00:27:31,142
that whole. The whole line. Sisterhood above
604
00:27:31,174 --> 00:27:34,144
all. Well. Well,
605
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,832
Viola, in the past, we do see a scene where it's
606
00:27:36,864 --> 00:27:38,096
sisters above all.
607
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>> Will: Yep.
608
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>> Sarah : And I think in this episode, it's very
609
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clear for Tula, it's motherhood above
610
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all. And. And so
611
00:27:47,496 --> 00:27:50,336
she. She abandons her flock. And
612
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that's when Doretta just goes full.
613
00:27:53,448 --> 00:27:56,352
Like. Is like, okay, Raquela, you can step
614
00:27:56,424 --> 00:27:58,408
aside. Let me fully,
615
00:27:58,592 --> 00:28:01,306
fully, come to life and rile my
616
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troops. The one thing that I
617
00:28:03,970 --> 00:28:06,938
still. I hope they. I
618
00:28:06,962 --> 00:28:09,286
hope they flesh out and make clear
619
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in. In the next season is Sister Jen.
620
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The only. The only sister that
621
00:28:16,082 --> 00:28:18,538
we're aware of who has not been affected by the
622
00:28:18,562 --> 00:28:21,526
virus. M. We don't know why.
623
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And. And for some reason,
624
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Doretta allows her to live.
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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.
626
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>> Sarah : Like. Like, yeah. she's. She's clearly
627
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not on Team Doretta. I don't think she's
628
00:28:35,458 --> 00:28:38,086
necessarily on Team Violet either,
629
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but she's definitely, like, my
630
00:28:41,274 --> 00:28:43,986
friend is still in there and being
631
00:28:44,106 --> 00:28:47,074
like, her body is being used against
632
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her own free will. So I think she's more like, set
633
00:28:50,234 --> 00:28:52,154
Lila free. This is it.
634
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>> Will: Yeah. And maybe. And maybe Lila is the one that's
635
00:28:55,194 --> 00:28:57,642
keeping her. Keeping either
636
00:28:57,674 --> 00:29:00,426
Raquela or Doretta from. From
637
00:29:00,466 --> 00:29:03,322
killing her. Because whenever, whatever. Because, you know, that was.
638
00:29:03,394 --> 00:29:06,394
I mean, that was one of those pieces where I was just like, oh, gosh, they're
639
00:29:06,410 --> 00:29:09,386
going to, You know, it was. It was telegraphed.
640
00:29:10,766 --> 00:29:13,306
>> Sarah : Yeah. Well, I didn't realize.
641
00:29:13,726 --> 00:29:16,534
Well, it goes back to this thing. I did not
642
00:29:16,590 --> 00:29:19,326
realize. I knew that
643
00:29:19,366 --> 00:29:20,958
Doretta had followers.
644
00:29:21,102 --> 00:29:21,550
>> Will: Yeah.
645
00:29:21,598 --> 00:29:24,106
>> Sarah : But I didn't. I didn't understand
646
00:29:24,566 --> 00:29:27,518
exactly or question where did the followers
647
00:29:27,582 --> 00:29:30,318
go? M. And then when it was
648
00:29:30,342 --> 00:29:32,926
also revealed, it was at the bottom of that.
649
00:29:33,046 --> 00:29:35,806
That. Well, I was like, oh, that's why they
650
00:29:35,846 --> 00:29:37,946
keep looking over here.
651
00:29:39,446 --> 00:29:42,398
I was like, is there a monster in there? I
652
00:29:42,422 --> 00:29:44,346
don't. I don't understand. But no.
653
00:29:44,756 --> 00:29:47,692
Dororotta reveals all of the skeletons.
654
00:29:47,804 --> 00:29:49,856
>> Will: That's where the bodies really are buried.
655
00:29:50,196 --> 00:29:53,116
>> Sarah : I was. I was also like, okay, they're not
656
00:29:53,156 --> 00:29:56,046
that old. they're already in
657
00:29:56,086 --> 00:29:59,086
skeleton forms. Like, that's it. That's. I don't think
658
00:29:59,126 --> 00:30:01,026
that, but whatever.
659
00:30:01,686 --> 00:30:03,022
>> Will: I mean, that's long enough.
660
00:30:03,174 --> 00:30:06,174
>> Sarah : Yeah. Okay. Okay. I don't know much. I don't
661
00:30:06,190 --> 00:30:09,022
know much about decomposing bodies, so.
662
00:30:09,094 --> 00:30:11,946
So if you tell me. Okay, so that
663
00:30:11,986 --> 00:30:14,868
all made sense. I just wish I
664
00:30:14,892 --> 00:30:16,736
would have understood more,
665
00:30:17,586 --> 00:30:20,410
about the gen of it all, because she
666
00:30:20,498 --> 00:30:22,086
a not
667
00:30:23,586 --> 00:30:25,246
affected by the virus.
668
00:30:26,496 --> 00:30:29,448
and there has to be a reason for that. And we
669
00:30:29,472 --> 00:30:32,196
learn more about the virus because we learned that
670
00:30:32,656 --> 00:30:35,436
it's essentially nano
671
00:30:36,106 --> 00:30:38,114
thinking machines. Right.
672
00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:38,834
>> Will: Yep.
673
00:30:38,930 --> 00:30:41,874
>> Sarah : Okay, so I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna
674
00:30:41,890 --> 00:30:44,738
throw this out there because towards the end of
675
00:30:44,762 --> 00:30:47,666
this episode that we're not at, because
676
00:30:47,706 --> 00:30:50,642
it's also a heck of a long episode,
677
00:30:50,834 --> 00:30:53,016
but, there's a nephew
678
00:30:53,676 --> 00:30:56,484
who returns home, and
679
00:30:56,620 --> 00:30:59,332
I've seen enough episodes of Flash to understand
680
00:30:59,404 --> 00:31:02,106
what nano means, nanotechnology means.
681
00:31:02,276 --> 00:31:05,102
And he. He, like, gathers all of these
682
00:31:05,174 --> 00:31:08,142
nanobots in his. In his house and then
683
00:31:08,214 --> 00:31:10,782
watches, like, surveillance footage of his
684
00:31:10,854 --> 00:31:11,438
aunt.
685
00:31:11,582 --> 00:31:12,386
>> Will: Yep.
686
00:31:13,186 --> 00:31:15,796
>> Sarah : to me, that's a hint that the
687
00:31:15,836 --> 00:31:18,576
Harkonnens are behind this technology.
688
00:31:20,556 --> 00:31:23,460
>> Will: That's. That's a very strong possibility. I
689
00:31:23,468 --> 00:31:25,780
mean, they, they definitely plan. There's
690
00:31:25,908 --> 00:31:28,434
two, There's nothing that they put in a show that
691
00:31:28,490 --> 00:31:31,452
doesn't have a meaning about. For,
692
00:31:31,524 --> 00:31:32,856
for the larger story.
693
00:31:33,716 --> 00:31:36,716
>> Sarah : Right. Especially because it's the
694
00:31:36,756 --> 00:31:39,564
final episode. We, We. I.
695
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:42,668
I don't. Did we see him in last week? Yeah, we saw
696
00:31:42,692 --> 00:31:42,972
him.
697
00:31:43,044 --> 00:31:45,366
>> Will: Yeah. We saw him briefly with Desmond at the very beginning. Yeah.
698
00:31:45,366 --> 00:31:48,266
>> Sarah : but haven't really seen him. And then they
699
00:31:48,306 --> 00:31:51,226
just show one random, random
700
00:31:51,306 --> 00:31:54,234
scene with him that, arguably, to save on time,
701
00:31:54,290 --> 00:31:57,190
they could have cut unless it had a purpose.
702
00:31:57,318 --> 00:31:57,750
>> Will: Right.
703
00:31:57,838 --> 00:32:00,374
>> Sarah : And so I, I
704
00:32:00,430 --> 00:32:03,142
think that they're either alluding that
705
00:32:03,214 --> 00:32:06,102
he's behind it or he's
706
00:32:06,134 --> 00:32:08,566
in cahoots with someone because the
707
00:32:08,606 --> 00:32:11,174
Harkonnens don't fall too far from the tree. Come on.
708
00:32:11,230 --> 00:32:14,166
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he. He definitely is an
709
00:32:14,206 --> 00:32:17,142
agent for whoever's behind this. I don't think he doesn't strike
710
00:32:17,174 --> 00:32:20,166
me as a type that would be smart enough to, like,
711
00:32:20,206 --> 00:32:23,024
come up with this on his own, but he, but he definitely be.
712
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,858
Can be the. Be, the foot soldier for
713
00:32:25,914 --> 00:32:27,026
who did.
714
00:32:27,178 --> 00:32:29,874
>> Sarah : Yeah, he. He's a havoco. Okay. He's
715
00:32:29,922 --> 00:32:32,710
havoco. Which havoco? Arguably,
716
00:32:33,690 --> 00:32:36,306
like, one of my least favorite characters.
717
00:32:36,498 --> 00:32:39,058
However he delivers, he. He
718
00:32:39,114 --> 00:32:41,390
delivers one hell of a line
719
00:32:41,850 --> 00:32:43,314
and then kills himself.
720
00:32:43,442 --> 00:32:45,202
>> Will: Yeah. The one time he finally grew a.
721
00:32:45,226 --> 00:32:48,018
>> Sarah : Backbone, I had the same thought. I was like,
722
00:32:48,074 --> 00:32:50,722
you're finally seeing the world.
723
00:32:50,826 --> 00:32:53,060
Because he says, like,
724
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:56,958
it's a strange thing when you realize you
725
00:32:57,014 --> 00:32:59,490
never learned one moment of freedom
726
00:32:59,830 --> 00:33:02,670
and then just kills himself. And you think.
727
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:04,766
I was like. I was like, wow.
728
00:33:04,958 --> 00:33:05,422
>> Will: Yeah.
729
00:33:05,486 --> 00:33:07,770
>> Sarah : I was like, wow. And then only for
730
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:10,250
Francesca to bend down
731
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:14,542
and for Natalie to just
732
00:33:14,726 --> 00:33:17,006
casually walk in and slip.
733
00:33:17,118 --> 00:33:20,062
>> Will: Yeah. Natalia gets the poison pen and just sticks it
734
00:33:20,086 --> 00:33:20,810
in her.
735
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,416
>> Sarah : And then. And then does this. And like, it's
736
00:33:25,448 --> 00:33:28,040
a. I feel as though it
737
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,994
was, very symbolic and paid a little bit of
738
00:33:31,002 --> 00:33:33,730
an homage to Romeo and Juliet for some
739
00:33:33,770 --> 00:33:36,466
reason. Not. Not to say that I fully
740
00:33:36,498 --> 00:33:39,202
understand the imprinting and their love
741
00:33:39,226 --> 00:33:41,970
affair or anything, but I felt like the
742
00:33:42,010 --> 00:33:45,010
way they played it out, it felt like a very
743
00:33:45,130 --> 00:33:47,765
tragic moment between these two people
744
00:33:47,917 --> 00:33:50,709
because I could. I could tell, like
745
00:33:50,749 --> 00:33:53,603
imprinting or not, Francesca, did seem to have true
746
00:33:53,651 --> 00:33:54,291
feelings.
747
00:33:54,435 --> 00:33:55,667
>> Will: She did. She did.
748
00:33:55,723 --> 00:33:58,035
>> Sarah : But sisterhood above all. So.
749
00:33:58,187 --> 00:34:00,995
So what the sister to do? And.
750
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And I just. I just. Empress,
751
00:34:04,175 --> 00:34:06,639
Natalia, throughout the entire
752
00:34:06,719 --> 00:34:09,631
season, I've always been like. I've been like, what
753
00:34:09,655 --> 00:34:12,586
is your game? And.
754
00:34:12,658 --> 00:34:14,550
And they. They did not,
755
00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:18,678
They did not misuse her. they didn't make her
756
00:34:18,734 --> 00:34:21,734
feel seem stupid or anything. They.
757
00:34:21,822 --> 00:34:24,530
I think they did a very interesting job
758
00:34:24,910 --> 00:34:27,854
of, of taking these characters
759
00:34:27,902 --> 00:34:30,638
and putting them into a stereotype.
760
00:34:30,814 --> 00:34:33,486
And then for us to watch how.
761
00:34:33,638 --> 00:34:36,210
Okay, we told you that this character
762
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,576
is the empress and knows her husband
763
00:34:39,608 --> 00:34:40,980
is cheating on her.
764
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,240
Okay, well, we did
765
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,200
not tell you that she is not
766
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:50,792
going down without a fight and she's going to go and hook up with
767
00:34:50,816 --> 00:34:51,740
Desmond
768
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,312
person on her side. And
769
00:34:56,416 --> 00:34:59,208
that scene where she puts Havoco in his
770
00:34:59,264 --> 00:35:01,768
place. I mean, will. We should have seen
771
00:35:01,824 --> 00:35:04,378
Havoco killing himself. coming.
772
00:35:04,514 --> 00:35:05,630
Considering.
773
00:35:06,850 --> 00:35:09,706
Considering he. He. His daughter
774
00:35:09,818 --> 00:35:12,474
ends up in jail. He. He
775
00:35:12,562 --> 00:35:15,018
begs for mercy with
776
00:35:15,074 --> 00:35:17,482
Viola, only for Viola
777
00:35:17,626 --> 00:35:20,570
to. To just. Just be like, oh, you're such
778
00:35:20,610 --> 00:35:23,594
a fool. I don't need you. You.
779
00:35:23,682 --> 00:35:26,666
You may need me in this instance, but, dude, I don't need you.
780
00:35:26,738 --> 00:35:29,178
And, oh, yeah, nothing you do right
781
00:35:29,234 --> 00:35:31,824
now is of your own free will.
782
00:35:31,992 --> 00:35:33,220
So goodbye.
783
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,542
>> Will: Yeah, speaking of it, before we move from that point, as far as the free
784
00:35:36,566 --> 00:35:39,422
will, I. I did like. I
785
00:35:39,446 --> 00:35:42,030
did like how they really played into the
786
00:35:42,070 --> 00:35:44,942
whole. I guess. And I guess later to
787
00:35:44,966 --> 00:35:47,870
Ben and Gessera get into this with our manufacturer, Will Polk
788
00:35:47,950 --> 00:35:50,812
Atreides. But, you know, the bigger, You know,
789
00:35:50,836 --> 00:35:53,532
they were showing those early seeds of how the. The
790
00:35:53,556 --> 00:35:56,262
sisterhood with, you know, with
791
00:35:56,286 --> 00:35:59,192
Desmond's lineage, as far as, you know, figuring out that
792
00:35:59,216 --> 00:36:01,624
he's destined for great things, but also how they matched
793
00:36:01,672 --> 00:36:04,600
Habakko and Natalia. I really. I'm glad they
794
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,320
Added that element to it as well. To really. So that.
795
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,152
Whenever. To that point, getting back to the scene in
796
00:36:10,176 --> 00:36:12,792
question here, when she points that out, that, you
797
00:36:12,816 --> 00:36:15,736
know, we, we, we, we. We planned
798
00:36:15,768 --> 00:36:18,642
this and just. Yeah. it
799
00:36:18,666 --> 00:36:21,500
just really, like, adds just an
800
00:36:21,540 --> 00:36:24,540
extra level of depth and like, you know,
801
00:36:24,580 --> 00:36:27,468
kicking a man when, you know, I won't say kick him when he's
802
00:36:27,484 --> 00:36:29,852
down, but, like, just like, you know, we've been
803
00:36:29,876 --> 00:36:32,748
pulling. We're puppet masters. You've
804
00:36:32,764 --> 00:36:34,200
been a puppet all this time.
805
00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:37,600
>> Sarah : I feel like in that scene,
806
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,712
Viola actually does serve
807
00:36:41,776 --> 00:36:44,720
as a true sayer. And I can't see
808
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,592
that for a lot of scenes. Yeah, I. But
809
00:36:47,616 --> 00:36:50,568
in that moment, it was. No, it was no.
810
00:36:50,624 --> 00:36:53,560
Are they telling the truth? No, it's like I'm telling you the
811
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,232
actual truth verbatim, and the
812
00:36:56,256 --> 00:36:58,968
viewers know it. I, as the viewers are, are
813
00:36:59,024 --> 00:37:01,944
totally on board with the lying
814
00:37:02,072 --> 00:37:04,280
that the truth sayers do, the
815
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,064
manipulation tactics that occur with them.
816
00:37:07,152 --> 00:37:09,976
So. So I think that's why it was like,
817
00:37:10,048 --> 00:37:12,966
oh, dude, she's actually telling you the truth.
818
00:37:13,088 --> 00:37:15,706
And he believes it, too, to some extent. It's
819
00:37:15,738 --> 00:37:18,218
just. It's just the. The
820
00:37:18,274 --> 00:37:20,954
wool got removed, the curtain got
821
00:37:21,042 --> 00:37:23,882
removed from his eyes, and then he's like, I don't know how to live in
822
00:37:23,906 --> 00:37:25,450
this world now, knowing this.
823
00:37:25,570 --> 00:37:28,074
>> Will: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And,
824
00:37:28,242 --> 00:37:31,050
yeah, so, I mean, you're right. I mean, from that moment,
825
00:37:31,210 --> 00:37:34,122
it was. I. I didn't know how he was going
826
00:37:34,146 --> 00:37:37,130
to go out, but at that moment I was like, he ain't gonna make it out of this
827
00:37:37,170 --> 00:37:37,750
season.
828
00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:41,328
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, once
829
00:37:41,384 --> 00:37:43,740
Viola says he got to go.
830
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,540
Bye. Bye. Yep.
831
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,328
Here your. Your time has come to an
832
00:37:51,384 --> 00:37:51,980
end.
833
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,352
But. And. And then
834
00:37:56,456 --> 00:37:59,456
this. This leads into. So by
835
00:37:59,528 --> 00:38:01,920
saying that she gets thrown in jail, which was
836
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,912
purpose, because she. Because she wants to
837
00:38:04,936 --> 00:38:06,020
free Inez.
838
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:08,610
Okay,
839
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:11,690
okay. You know,
840
00:38:13,220 --> 00:38:16,172
and. And Inez puts up a fight and
841
00:38:16,196 --> 00:38:19,068
says, kieran, too. Which. And
842
00:38:19,124 --> 00:38:21,980
there is a little bit of, like, Kieran
843
00:38:22,060 --> 00:38:24,974
at the beginning when we see him. no Australian
844
00:38:25,022 --> 00:38:27,710
accent. I was very. I was very
845
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:30,702
mindful of this episode of tracking an Australian
846
00:38:30,766 --> 00:38:33,502
or a British accent. No, but I swear
847
00:38:33,566 --> 00:38:36,190
last week he had one. Yeah, very
848
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:38,982
annoying. I wonder if it'll return in
849
00:38:39,006 --> 00:38:41,010
season two. But.
850
00:38:42,270 --> 00:38:45,062
So. So there was foreshadowing about how
851
00:38:45,166 --> 00:38:47,574
he, being an Atreides, would never trust a
852
00:38:47,582 --> 00:38:50,550
Harkonnen. Well, unbeknownst him,
853
00:38:50,590 --> 00:38:53,062
by the end of this episode, him,
854
00:38:53,166 --> 00:38:55,606
Inez and a Harkonnen end up on
855
00:38:55,678 --> 00:38:58,672
Atrakis. So. So what you
856
00:38:58,696 --> 00:38:59,580
gonna do?
857
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,344
>> Will: Yeah, but he made it Very clear. I'm not doing it for you, Valia
858
00:39:03,392 --> 00:39:05,340
Harko, and I'm doing it for her.
859
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,794
>> Sarah : Yeah. but. But at the same time, Valia is
860
00:39:08,802 --> 00:39:11,578
just like, I'm not doing this for you either. I'm
861
00:39:11,594 --> 00:39:14,090
doing this for me.
862
00:39:14,130 --> 00:39:16,650
>> Will: Yeah, we're gonna go to Racus for, like.
863
00:39:16,690 --> 00:39:19,350
>> Sarah : Yeah, I don't know if it's for me
864
00:39:20,210 --> 00:39:22,970
because. Because despite what the Ines
865
00:39:23,050 --> 00:39:25,820
may think she understands, she's still
866
00:39:25,860 --> 00:39:27,068
upon, too.
867
00:39:27,204 --> 00:39:30,060
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. And. Yeah, and another thing, too,
868
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:32,412
is, you know who was very conspicuously absent this
869
00:39:32,436 --> 00:39:33,120
episode?
870
00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:33,650
>> Sarah : Who?
871
00:39:34,212 --> 00:39:35,280
>> Will: Constantine.
872
00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:38,508
>> Sarah : Oh, yeah. Yeah. I had that
873
00:39:38,564 --> 00:39:41,356
thought, and then I was like, did they already send him to
874
00:39:41,428 --> 00:39:43,916
attract us? And that's why they ended up there,
875
00:39:43,988 --> 00:39:45,452
because he.
876
00:39:45,636 --> 00:39:48,600
>> Will: He was. He was named head of the fleet. So.
877
00:39:49,060 --> 00:39:51,932
Yeah. Yeah. So I guess the fleet's already. Yeah, so I guess the fleet's already at
878
00:39:51,956 --> 00:39:54,792
Arrakis, or. Or was that. I guess. Yeah, I guess
879
00:39:54,816 --> 00:39:56,520
that's where the conflict was going on. Yeah.
880
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,560
>> Sarah : Yeah, because. Because he wasn't around for any of
881
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,200
this, so. And he wouldn't have let
882
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:05,224
Yanez get thrown into jail, so
883
00:40:05,232 --> 00:40:08,024
I think. Yeah. And that's.
884
00:40:08,072 --> 00:40:10,936
Natalia isn't his mom, so. Yeah,
885
00:40:11,048 --> 00:40:13,800
I think he was like, they had the dinner party, and then he
886
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,128
immediately left.
887
00:40:15,264 --> 00:40:18,104
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cassava co found. Yeah,
888
00:40:18,152 --> 00:40:20,596
yeah. They put that in motions, which, you know, with
889
00:40:20,688 --> 00:40:23,516
Francesca and. And he. You know, he
890
00:40:23,588 --> 00:40:26,412
turned in. Yeah, because he was the one that turned in Kieran, so that
891
00:40:26,436 --> 00:40:29,036
was how he was able to get his father's favor. So. Yeah.
892
00:40:29,068 --> 00:40:29,692
>> Sarah : Right.
893
00:40:29,876 --> 00:40:32,640
>> Will: Yeah. and also with this
894
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,632
whole. The whole sequence there, as far as Theodosia,
895
00:40:35,696 --> 00:40:38,560
you know, Pavala, basically leaving her behind
896
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,472
to do. Be a distraction. And then, you know, and then, of course,
897
00:40:41,496 --> 00:40:44,382
Theodosia also, you know, shape shifts again to
898
00:40:44,406 --> 00:40:47,396
be one of the soldiers there to. When Desmond shows
899
00:40:47,428 --> 00:40:50,162
up, slow him. You know, not only
900
00:40:50,186 --> 00:40:52,962
is. Slowed him down, not maybe the way Valia
901
00:40:53,026 --> 00:40:54,830
thought she was going to slow him down.
902
00:40:55,770 --> 00:40:58,514
>> Sarah : Well, she. She did what? But, Theodore,
903
00:40:58,562 --> 00:41:01,320
is Theodosia dead or just captured?
904
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,560
>> Will: you know, I couldn't tell. I could not
905
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,494
tell, because she was. Because the first time, obviously, she
906
00:41:08,502 --> 00:41:11,502
was Inez, but then she changed it into one of the soldiers there
907
00:41:11,526 --> 00:41:12,786
on the floor that was.
908
00:41:12,858 --> 00:41:15,522
>> Sarah : Yeah, I'm talking about the last time, though, because.
909
00:41:15,626 --> 00:41:18,578
Because Desmond. I can't. He
910
00:41:18,714 --> 00:41:21,474
calls her an abomination because she partly
911
00:41:21,522 --> 00:41:24,322
shape ships back, and he's like, what is
912
00:41:24,346 --> 00:41:25,970
this? Which is ironic.
913
00:41:26,130 --> 00:41:26,800
>> Will: Yeah.
914
00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:30,100
>> Sarah : but. But I couldn't tell if it was like,
915
00:41:30,140 --> 00:41:32,490
lock this up or get rid of this
916
00:41:32,530 --> 00:41:35,146
abomination. Meaning, like, she's dead.
917
00:41:35,258 --> 00:41:35,580
>> Will: Yeah.
918
00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:37,672
>> Sarah : but we'll see. We'll see next season.
919
00:41:38,552 --> 00:41:41,344
Or maybe we won't. Or maybe there's a reason why
920
00:41:41,368 --> 00:41:44,336
it's ambiguous. Ambiguous because she can technically
921
00:41:44,384 --> 00:41:46,412
turn into all these characters who
922
00:41:47,752 --> 00:41:50,704
randomly. They're gonna play a card. Oh, that wasn't that. That. Was
923
00:41:50,728 --> 00:41:51,616
she a Doge?
924
00:41:51,744 --> 00:41:52,452
>> Will: Yeah.
925
00:41:54,102 --> 00:41:56,362
>> Sarah : so this. It all escalates until.
926
00:41:56,982 --> 00:41:59,862
To, them running away from the
927
00:41:59,902 --> 00:42:02,464
castle and, trying to get on a flight
928
00:42:02,528 --> 00:42:05,352
out. And Desmond. Violet
929
00:42:05,432 --> 00:42:08,052
finally stops and says, like,
930
00:42:08,592 --> 00:42:11,472
she'll battle, Desmond.
931
00:42:11,892 --> 00:42:14,346
And, she gets infected by the virus.
932
00:42:14,474 --> 00:42:17,224
And, they
933
00:42:17,248 --> 00:42:20,132
did something very unexpected, which was
934
00:42:21,552 --> 00:42:23,944
they put us. They did a
935
00:42:23,968 --> 00:42:26,372
flashback to.
936
00:42:26,832 --> 00:42:29,642
We heard the story about the first
937
00:42:29,682 --> 00:42:32,410
time she ever used the voice, which
938
00:42:32,466 --> 00:42:35,386
was to save her brother Griffin
939
00:42:35,434 --> 00:42:38,202
from drowning. And we
940
00:42:38,242 --> 00:42:39,702
experienced that.
941
00:42:40,642 --> 00:42:43,162
And the whole time I'm like, this is your
942
00:42:43,202 --> 00:42:45,942
fear. But you saved him.
943
00:42:47,362 --> 00:42:50,042
Which does occur. But then upon
944
00:42:50,122 --> 00:42:52,906
saving him, he then
945
00:42:53,074 --> 00:42:55,896
turns and says, you did this. You killed.
946
00:42:55,944 --> 00:42:58,872
And it's. It's more of that fear that his ultimate
947
00:42:58,952 --> 00:43:01,784
death was fault because of
948
00:43:01,808 --> 00:43:02,088
what.
949
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,688
>> Will: Yeah. Happened at the dinner table.
950
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:06,232
>> Sarah : Yeah, exact. Yeah,
951
00:43:06,312 --> 00:43:09,288
yeah. And that's really the
952
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,992
fear. And then we
953
00:43:12,032 --> 00:43:14,610
get the, The rippling
954
00:43:14,786 --> 00:43:16,222
and. And the.
955
00:43:17,722 --> 00:43:20,572
And then the fear escalates the
956
00:43:20,612 --> 00:43:23,452
same way. Like, everyone's fear is different with all
957
00:43:23,492 --> 00:43:26,364
of these characters. So you see the
958
00:43:26,388 --> 00:43:29,228
part that's different, but then it culminates into
959
00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:31,852
the reveal of the worm, which. The
960
00:43:31,892 --> 00:43:34,652
galaxy. Galaxy itself is fearful
961
00:43:34,732 --> 00:43:37,552
of the monsters on that planet,
962
00:43:38,102 --> 00:43:40,782
because there are beasts that can't be controlled. But
963
00:43:40,822 --> 00:43:43,550
even I pointed out to you, I want to say very
964
00:43:43,606 --> 00:43:46,174
early on, when we first saw the blue eyes, I was
965
00:43:46,198 --> 00:43:48,502
like, why does it look like there's a
966
00:43:48,542 --> 00:43:51,132
thinking, Like a
967
00:43:51,172 --> 00:43:54,012
thinking bot within the worm? Like, that doesn't make
968
00:43:54,052 --> 00:43:55,272
any sense to me.
969
00:43:57,332 --> 00:43:59,948
Yeah, it's because. More so
970
00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:02,912
the virus is a thinking machine
971
00:44:03,252 --> 00:44:05,804
and the worm is just an illusion of
972
00:44:05,828 --> 00:44:08,610
it. and this goes back
973
00:44:08,666 --> 00:44:11,298
to, I think, something that we've touched
974
00:44:11,330 --> 00:44:13,412
on throughout the season about.
975
00:44:14,032 --> 00:44:16,878
They did a, very good job
976
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:19,242
of this whole balance between
977
00:44:20,182 --> 00:44:23,182
the. The. The. The
978
00:44:23,222 --> 00:44:25,944
thinking machinery and then the, the
979
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,968
mythology. Religious aspects of
980
00:44:28,992 --> 00:44:31,640
this. This world. And
981
00:44:31,808 --> 00:44:34,520
because, like,
982
00:44:34,688 --> 00:44:37,676
obviously we understand, like, AI.
983
00:44:38,096 --> 00:44:38,916
>> Will: Yeah.
984
00:44:38,946 --> 00:44:41,792
>> Sarah : And why. And why. Yeah, that's cool. Advancement
985
00:44:41,824 --> 00:44:44,688
of technology, while at the same time you're like, okay, that can
986
00:44:44,712 --> 00:44:47,408
go a bit too far. Bit too far.
987
00:44:47,512 --> 00:44:49,876
Have you seen Westworld? Okay.
988
00:44:51,276 --> 00:44:53,716
but. But then you have like, a legit
989
00:44:53,796 --> 00:44:56,308
monster on a planet with a
990
00:44:56,332 --> 00:44:57,896
valuable resource,
991
00:44:59,036 --> 00:45:02,020
and. And there's like. Like,
992
00:45:02,108 --> 00:45:04,484
you can equate it in real world
993
00:45:04,540 --> 00:45:07,276
to, tornadoes to.
994
00:45:07,396 --> 00:45:10,148
To hurricanes, And.
995
00:45:10,332 --> 00:45:12,256
And earthquakes and,
996
00:45:12,716 --> 00:45:15,124
like. I don't know. There's something
997
00:45:15,260 --> 00:45:17,812
very fascinating about that,
998
00:45:17,884 --> 00:45:20,868
that I feel like I got more out of
999
00:45:20,892 --> 00:45:23,284
this show than I did out of the two
1000
00:45:23,340 --> 00:45:24,056
movies.
1001
00:45:24,936 --> 00:45:26,256
>> Will: M. Really?
1002
00:45:26,556 --> 00:45:29,060
>> Sarah : Yeah. I. I think there were enough
1003
00:45:29,148 --> 00:45:31,776
touches, especially in Dune 2,
1004
00:45:32,106 --> 00:45:35,026
that made me really, like, okay, I could get on
1005
00:45:35,066 --> 00:45:37,954
board with this. And then I heard some discussions about
1006
00:45:38,010 --> 00:45:40,736
Dune too, and I was like, okay, As people are starting
1007
00:45:40,816 --> 00:45:43,760
to color in the boxes
1008
00:45:43,808 --> 00:45:46,320
a bit more about what's cool and why
1009
00:45:46,408 --> 00:45:49,022
Dune has, been talked
1010
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about for a few decades
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now,
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that. It made me curious.
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>> Will: Yeah.
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>> Sarah : And. And. And mainly the. The
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Jesuits side of it all. Like.
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>> Will: Yeah.
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>> Sarah : Like the. It's like, okay, what's going on
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there? What's with these
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witches?
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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, for
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sure. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think that, you know, with the whole. The
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whole thinking machines, everything you just said, cosine.
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Because I. I feel the same way. This. This, you know,
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was, you know, because it took me a while just to get through part
1025
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one of, of Dune. but I, still have
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to watch Part two. But I, you know. But.
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But now I'm looking forward to, like. I think when
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I watch part two now, I think I will be able
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to, appreciate it more than I
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00:46:39,150 --> 00:46:41,894
would have if I had, you know, prior to
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watching this show. Because you're right. I mean, I think it does feel,
1032
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you know, they do a good job of filling in the lore,
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make, you know, giving some again.
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I. I know we'll use it or contextualize tonight, but
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I mean, it really does contextualize things in so many ways.
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Especially like when we see, for example, when Desmond
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is, When
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they do put the thinking machine in his eye.
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>> Sarah : Yeah.
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>> Will: Yeah. And. And we. And
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we. And. And. But they also, you know, have that figure
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off in the distance and. And. And
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we, like, as we were just trying to disfigure if it was
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this Haro working with them or, you know, who, you
1045
00:47:20,926 --> 00:47:23,206
know, is this another thinking machine? Is this just, you know,
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00:47:23,230 --> 00:47:26,006
assistant? Is it
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00:47:26,030 --> 00:47:28,598
another. Another sister? I mean, you know.
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>> Sarah : Yeah.
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>> Will: As far as the Sisterhood, is it Raquela.
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>> Sarah : I mean, Sister. it might be another
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Harkonnen. I don't think it's a sister.
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00:47:35,796 --> 00:47:38,756
>> Will: Yes. Yeah. Well. Yeah, well, I was thinking if it were a
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sister, I was thinking, like, maybe. Maybe Raquela,
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you know, because of the, Because, you know, she was
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00:47:44,568 --> 00:47:47,520
very sympathetic, obviously, towards the thinking
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00:47:47,552 --> 00:47:50,032
machines. With, you know, given that she did have the
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honorable, machine there in.
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On Wallet nine.
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>> Sarah : So I don't know if that was
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sympathetic or. I
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00:48:00,198 --> 00:48:02,734
need this for. To do my
1062
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work.
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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I guess that's me. Yeah, I guess
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hour.
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>> Sarah : So. Yeah. Yeah.
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>> Will: But I mean, yeah, just. It's just so many mysteries
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that. And threads today that we. Like
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I said they answered a lot of questions, but they,
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they put a bunch. They put a big one out that.
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With that reveal of how
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Desmond became the
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transmitter of the virus.
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>> Sarah : Yeah, no, I, I think. I think
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you will have a very good time
1075
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if you watch Dune to Overbreak
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00:48:36,656 --> 00:48:39,442
or future, coming
1077
00:48:39,498 --> 00:48:42,146
off of this show. Because I even had a
1078
00:48:42,170 --> 00:48:45,122
moment when Valia was just taking out guards
1079
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left and right with the Voice thinking self
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like, oh, I
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00:48:50,650 --> 00:48:53,586
forgot nobody knows about the
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Voice.
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>> Will: Right.
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>> Sarah : Which. So. So we saw the origin story,
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which is so not
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like, wasn't in my consciousness just
1087
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because it was used so much in
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the. The movies and
1089
00:49:09,870 --> 00:49:12,552
talked about and to the point where
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when Will Polk and his mom get captured in
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the first one, like, the guards are very
1092
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adamant about covering their mouths.
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Like they can't use the Voice because. And then
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we see them escape by.
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Because they. They were able to manipulate the situation
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and everything and. And get those. And
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like, that's a powerful tool tool
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that. That started 10,000 years ahead of
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that. And that's. That's really where I also want to leave
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it is. this show is. Is this
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00:49:45,268 --> 00:49:47,784
idea that I still have
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a problem. And I think it'll. I think it
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could become more inflamed in the second
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season. because I watched this happen
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00:49:56,592 --> 00:49:59,492
with House of Dragon, because
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with House of Dragon,
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we. Throughout especially the second
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season, the Song of Ice and Fire. Song
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of Ice and fire happened
1110
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200 years later. And we all,
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00:50:13,580 --> 00:50:16,404
like a lot of us watched Game of Thrones and
1112
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that was the Song of Ice and Fire. So
1113
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to. To watch characters be
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fearful about stuff that the
1115
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,404
viewer already knows will happen
1116
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not in present time,
1117
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that gets the. The stakes. I don't
1118
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know if it's. It just weakens the stakes
1119
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because you're, as a viewer, you're just like, you.
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You feel like people are talking about the end of a story, but
1121
00:50:42,664 --> 00:50:45,392
you've already watched that play out and it has
1122
00:50:45,448 --> 00:50:48,032
nothing to like. It's just weird. And
1123
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so I know that they're not
1124
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necessarily talking about the Messiah, AKA
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Will Polk, but they.
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They do keep referencing the
1127
00:50:58,450 --> 00:51:01,014
Reckoning. And
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I don't know how many seasons you can get
1129
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out, get out with like this
1130
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fear of the reckoning coming
1131
00:51:11,634 --> 00:51:14,330
and, and, and. And not
1132
00:51:14,402 --> 00:51:17,144
tie it somewhat to something that will
1133
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happen 10,000 years later. I don't know.
1134
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But, they somewhat
1135
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,464
do to an extent. And
1136
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I'll let you watch Dune too and then you can.
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And we might have a sidebar conversation
1138
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about what I'm alluding to about.
1139
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They do,
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somewhat talk about.
1141
00:51:39,534 --> 00:51:42,320
I can see how this
1142
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plan of theirs essentially
1143
00:51:45,264 --> 00:51:47,604
does come fulfilled
1144
00:51:49,304 --> 00:51:50,384
with Will Polk.
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00:51:50,544 --> 00:51:51,136
>> Will: Okay.
1146
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,664
>> Sarah : Essentially. So, so
1147
00:51:53,704 --> 00:51:56,496
it's. Maybe that's why I always give you Nez
1148
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,184
the side eye because I'm like, I don't think she's the one
1149
00:51:59,224 --> 00:51:59,844
guy.
1150
00:52:02,914 --> 00:52:05,540
but anyway, Well, it was a good
1151
00:52:05,612 --> 00:52:06,198
show.
1152
00:52:06,356 --> 00:52:07,014
>> Will: It was.
1153
00:52:07,514 --> 00:52:10,386
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, like I said last week, I, I'm glad that
1154
00:52:10,410 --> 00:52:13,386
you. Glad that you like picked this one
1155
00:52:13,410 --> 00:52:16,320
for us to to, to be the show to wrap
1156
00:52:16,352 --> 00:52:19,098
up the year with, along as a
1157
00:52:19,106 --> 00:52:22,004
companion to our Superman and Lois discussions earlier. But yeah,
1158
00:52:22,004 --> 00:52:24,826
ah, this is a strong show. I think it was overall, like I said, I think it
1159
00:52:24,850 --> 00:52:27,584
was. I really
1160
00:52:27,624 --> 00:52:30,272
enjoyed it. And I'm glad I got renewed for a second
1161
00:52:30,328 --> 00:52:33,296
season because as I said last week and even more so
1162
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,914
after this finale, I'm definitely vested now.
1163
00:52:36,224 --> 00:52:39,084
and it's got me M a, ah, new appreciation of the Dune,
1164
00:52:40,354 --> 00:52:41,374
franchise.
1165
00:52:42,674 --> 00:52:45,210
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm more
1166
00:52:45,282 --> 00:52:48,206
invested now than I was, after watching
1167
00:52:48,270 --> 00:52:51,098
both movies. both movies
1168
00:52:51,146 --> 00:52:54,042
though do have points like you watch the first
1169
00:52:54,098 --> 00:52:55,882
one for Oscar Isaac. Okay.
1170
00:52:55,978 --> 00:52:56,442
>> Will: Yeah.
1171
00:52:56,538 --> 00:52:59,194
>> Sarah : There's still scenes from that first one I can
1172
00:52:59,234 --> 00:53:02,138
visualize in my mind and I've only ever seen, seen that movie
1173
00:53:02,186 --> 00:53:04,926
once. Dune too similar.
1174
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:07,154
There are scenes I can visualize.
1175
00:53:07,874 --> 00:53:10,284
there it's, it moves a lot
1176
00:53:10,324 --> 00:53:12,902
quicker. but at the same
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00:53:12,958 --> 00:53:14,834
time I think I have more
1178
00:53:15,614 --> 00:53:18,518
respect for it and more appreciation for it
1179
00:53:18,606 --> 00:53:21,314
now than I did when I first watched it.
1180
00:53:22,094 --> 00:53:24,854
Yeah. Yeah. On
1181
00:53:24,894 --> 00:53:27,814
that note, Will, why don't you tell our listeners where they
1182
00:53:27,854 --> 00:53:28,968
can find you?
1183
00:53:29,126 --> 00:53:31,950
>> Will: Yes, wish everyone a happy holidays and
1184
00:53:32,022 --> 00:53:34,272
look forward to you all joining us in
1185
00:53:34,296 --> 00:53:36,592
2025. And you can find me on the
1186
00:53:36,616 --> 00:53:39,344
socials at Will and Polk
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00:53:39,392 --> 00:53:41,920
W I L L M P O L K.
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>> Sarah : And you can find me there too at SJ Balmont
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