Dragons & Supes: House of the Dragon S2 E3 and The Boys S4 E5 Reviews!

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>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with

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me, as always, is our mister producer, will polk. How are you doing tonight,

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will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How are you this evening?

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>> Sarah : Good. I mean. I mean, we're talking the boys

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House of Dragon. but before we get to that, I have to

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tell you, I finally watched a movie.

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Oh, finally watched a movie. I know it's been a

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long time, people, so sit back.

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any guess as to what movie I threw on?

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Now, I will give you. It

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occurred, like, Sunday m. Sunday

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afternoon. I got done, finished eating lunch,

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I put on the boys, and then I went into this

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movie, and then right when I

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finished, I finished eating dinner, and I was like,

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bam. House of the Dragon.

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So, any guesses as to

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what movie occurred in between?

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>> Will: Oh, boy.

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>> Will: I have no clue.

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>> Sarah : Okay. Okay. It was dune two.

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>> Will: Oh, I would not have

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guessed that.

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>> Sarah : No, no. But I did say

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a while back when it was in theaters, how

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I was, like, starting to question,

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hm. Should I go see this? Because I heard some really good things about

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it and everybody, I felt like everyone was going, so I

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got a little fomo. but. But

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I did not, because every time I would see that

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runtime, m I was like, good, no,

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and yes. That is a long

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ass movie. Now, when I say watched,

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it was definitely, me threw it on,

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started doing other things.

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There were points of check in and then

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checkout. Check in? Like. Like

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Florence Pugh on the screen. Check in Florence

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Pugh not on screen. Check out

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anytime. Essentially, Timothy chalamet is

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alone or with any character who's, like,

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not Zendaya. Check out.

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I would say that, I am

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sure it looked beautiful on the big

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screen. It was shot that way. Yeah,

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yeah. But. But dear

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lord, it is so freaking boring, and

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there are parts. And I

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understood. I actually will give it some

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credit. I understood more what actually was

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happening in this, in the

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sequel than I did during the first one.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : and it was. It was very clear,

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like, bad guys, good guys, what

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events actually have to occur, what is going on?

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I thought they did a very good job. Austin Butler.

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Everyone was talking about him. I understand

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why.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : Totally understand why. he

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met expectations, did not exceed, but met

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expectations. And

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so, in retrospect, am I

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still satisfied that I did not go see it when

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it first came out in theaters? Yes. Because that is a freaking

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long ass movie. And I want to say 80% of

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it, people are just in sand with worms.

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So good lord. And it's

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just, I don't know.

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there wasn't a lot. And you really have to be

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invested in Timothy Chalamet's

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character to really want to

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follow everything. so

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I think I probably liked it more because I also

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wasn't glued to my tv.

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I was giving myself the freedom. I'm like, okay,

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I'm gonna go do this. I'm gonna wash a dish. I'm gonna do

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that. I'm gonna put this away

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and not like, oh, my God, I

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don't care what's going on right now. No,

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I just go do something else. And

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if I suddenly find myself watching it,

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which every now and then would happen, and then

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I had to go do something upstairs, I would pause it.

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So, but, but, yeah, so I

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had a full day of pretty much just

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watching things.

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>> Will: Yeah. Like I said, I. Yeah, whenever you.

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Whenever I was wrecking my brain, I was figuring

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whenever you said you watched a movie, I was like, well, maybe it's a k movie

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or something, but, yeah, but doom too.

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You know, honestly, I am

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not. I don't know if it's just because I still

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have scars from the David,

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Lynch 1984 version

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or, or, or what? But I

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don't know. Or maybe it's just dooms has never been, honestly

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a story that has

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attracted me as far as a science fiction

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reader or even to read

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or, or to watch, to be honest.

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>> Sarah : Which is very interesting, considering how

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much it. Because I believe

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Dune was written before Star wars ever came out.

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Right?

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>> Will: I believe so. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Because you can tell that, George

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Lucas read him some Dune,

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especially in this movie. I couldn't see it too

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much in the first one, but in this movie, I was like,

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yeah, yeah. Mm Totally see

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how this could have influenced, the creator

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behind Star wars. So. And

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people do say, like, if you watch both of them back to back,

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it's one cohesive story and you really.

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It feels more fulfilled.

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which I would understand, except that would

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be just way too long.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it's. Yeah.

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You know, I I've tried to watch the first one,

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and I think, you know, any folks who listened to the podcast

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before heard me say this, I fell asleep on

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it. And if you're new to the podcast, I hope

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you, you know, forgive us if you're a dune fan

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and, you know, you think it's the best film ever. Ever. I'm

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not saying that it's not. It's just, it's just not for me

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and works for some people, but doesn't.

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>> Sarah : Work for me, it is a good

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appetizer to then go into

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Westeros, you know,

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because it, like, it is very

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similar. There's a lot of politicking happening.

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There are two sides. There's a brewing

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war. And it's like,

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you can't just have these leaders go into war. They need

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their armies, and they need people to believe in

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them for whatever reason.

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And so there, it was

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interesting to watch that and just know

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that in a few

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minutes, I will be back in Westeros and

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seeing how the brewing

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Targaryen war is unfolding.

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which leads us to House of Dragon, episode

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three, the Burning Mill, which is an

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appropriate title for, basically the cold open of

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this episode where we meet the break ins

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and the Blackwoods, who have a little

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verbal sparring match. You can already tell

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there's history. You can tell

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there's distaste and

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rivalry. And then you flash

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forward to everyone's dead.

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we find out, truly, which ₩1

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in the end. But,

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we basically are shown

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how the Targaryen war

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that is brewing has allowed

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people who are already fighting over lands in

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Westeros to be used that as

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like, oh, well, if you choose that person,

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I'm choosing this person, and then we really can go

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to war and resolve this.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : What. What do you think about this cold open?

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you're right. I mean, the

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Targaryen battle within the

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family that was, that. That is brewing,

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people are using that as a

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proxy to, be able to where they have some pre

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existing beefs with other folks within

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Westeros, using that to like, okay, we're going to

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ready to throw a hand. So. Yeah, the bracken and Blackwood definitely did

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that. But also, I think the cold open really

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just, we've had a lot of build up

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as far as the first two episodes this

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season, sort of setting all the

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chess pieces and stuff as far as team

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green and team black. And we've had some,

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We've had some. Some of the common folk, the small

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folk also. And now we're

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starting to see some of the other belligerents who

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will be siding with one of, you know,

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with team green or team black in

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the. You know, whenever we had this open. And

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so. And it really gets to something that Renice was

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really getting to. And in this episode,

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as far as some people, ah, just. Just

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want to fight. It's just.

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>> Sarah : Well, is it some people or is it

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men?

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>> Will: Men want to fight?

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause whenever you see the.

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Whenever you see that cold open, whenever the

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black wood and the bracken are there. I mean, you know, it's very,

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you know, really just a trivial thing about

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who moved the rocks. I mean, they were just looking for an

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excuse. And so these folks were like, oh, yeah, we're ready to throw

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hands. So are you with a Ken

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Slayer, or are you, you know, or you with the true

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king? You know, the true king? And

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so they just, like, ready to go. And so I

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really like. I really like that, you know, so I really

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felt that really just sort of set the stage, because

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this episode really was, for me, it seemed like a

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real transition to

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getting us what. What the season is about,

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which is the Dance of the dragons.

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>> Sarah : Well, yes

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and no. I would agree with you partially. I

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mean, yeah. And I think next episode is actually

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called the Dance of dragons, but I could be

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wrong. yeah.

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I don't know if I would.

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100. I guess

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my thing is that to go back to

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your point about renees and what she

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says and, the fact

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that all of Renera's

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counsel were men

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except for her, and who were all saying,

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like, you need to go in hiding, queen.

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Like, we can rule in your stead, and we will fight for

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your honor and glory and all of this.

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Like, that's what a man in this

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society knows and does, like.

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And you see that play out through

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most, or pretty much all of the male

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characters. And what was interesting

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about this episode is it really

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was a culmination of a lot of the things that we've talked

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about in the past with the show, that

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they've done a very good job of making

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female characters very

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central in the plot.

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they all have varying degrees of power,

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but it's still a

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patriarchy. And even

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though they are central characters and they have

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power, they also don't.

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And so you're. And you're fighting with that because

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you also see these male characters who

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also have varying degrees of power,

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but because they're male and in certain

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positions, they arguably have more than the

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female characters, and they're not central

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characters. Arguably. Like, it's very. It's

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very interesting. And I especially

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like how they tie

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it all the way back in the ending scene

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to how we were introduced

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to this world with the first

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episode where we get our

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first horrible burst scene,

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birth scene down, Rob. But also,

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we get that moment, that moment that stood out

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to me, between Renera and her

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mom, who even talk about it, who says,

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like, yeah, the men are out there waving their swords

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around and trying to get glory, whatever that means,

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fighting on the battlefield. Our battlefield is

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here. Like, we have to survive

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giving birth in a time where,

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like, current medicine is not available.

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like, and I appreciate how they kind of

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took an episode to

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remind the viewer of that thesis statement

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that they presented all the way back at the

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beginning.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, that's. That's a very, very good

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point, a very good callback to tie

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things together from the very first episode to

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conversations about, the power

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of women in Westeros

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also,

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how they can flex it, but also how also

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ignored. And we see that

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play, out with both councils of team green and

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team black as far

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as how they treat. How. Yeah, how

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the men basically, you know, with. With

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Alicent, you know, she continues to get more and more

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marginalized, especially now that Otto is

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gone. And. And that. And

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Renera in this episode, you know, we saw it last

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episode, and then we see it even more so now that Damon's

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gone. How the other Corliss call them

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the dithers or dragonstone, I

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don't remember. Yeah. How they

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were trying to, you, know, again, marginalize

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Renera. And, even she calls it out,

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you know, it's just like what you guys are, you know,

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deposing here is treason as far as

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trying to, like, say, oh, no, no, little

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lady. You just don't worry your head about it. We got it.

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We got it. You know, we got it.

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>> Sarah : And, well, they were manipulating because they're like,

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you just suffered an attack.

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And so now the correct thing,

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because I want to. I want to remove you from the situation,

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is to use that to try to manipulate

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you to go into hiding. Now it is. I

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did appreciate how she kind of met them

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halfway where she's like, you know what? That's not a bad

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idea. I'm going to take my offspring

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and send them away, which,

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thank God, because I've been thinking the whole time, I'm

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like, panera, you just lost the

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sun. Don't lose more. Don't lose

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babies away.

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>> Will: Yep. Yep. Y'all. Yeah. You're not. Yeah, you guys,

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dragon Snow's not that far from. From King's Landing,

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so. Yeah, they've got

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veigar.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. What did you think about.

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clear how, like, between this week

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and the first episode, it's very clear how

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close dragonstone and King's landing

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are to one another. My God.

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but about her sending her kids away.

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She also sends dragon eggs away.

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It's very telling. And then

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she sends, Raina.

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>> Will: Reina. Yep.

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>> Sarah : Reina away. What did you think about

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Reina's part in this episode?

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>> Will: Yeah, two things. So, one, as far as sending the

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dragon eggs away, apparently those dragon eggs

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do. Are. Apparently are,

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Daenerys dragons down the line. and

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then as far as sending her away,

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it was smart in the sense that

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it was a necessary thing to have to be

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done to basically

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make sure that Renera's legacy

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and all is not lost if they lose the

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castle.

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>> Sarah : Right.

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>> Will: And. And so. But. But also

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Reyna, I thought that they.

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>> Sarah : Were gonna pair her with sea smoke because there

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was that scene where like.

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>> Will: Yeah,

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>> Sarah : her. Rhaenyra's late

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husband's dragon was restless

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and like, somebody needs to claim, claim

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it. I thought she was gonna try to have her match

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up with that dragon.

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>> Will: No? Yeah, I have a theory about who's going to get paired up with

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Steve smoke, but let's. Let's put a pin in that. So.

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Yeah, so as far as Raina, I mean,

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I think she. She to me, was

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disappointed. And, you know, in that she really.

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She really wanted to take an active role

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in the fight. And,

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you know, Bayla's getting to do, you know. Cause Baila's getting to go

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out on patrol and do things. Jace is getting to do

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things. So, I sensed her disappointment when she

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was. Whenever she was given a

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task, basically to be a nursemaid. But in some

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regards, she has one of the most important jobs

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of all of them, instead of just being one more family

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member who could be basically

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personnel and, cannon fodder for the

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war effort. And she has the important role.

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Duty of making sure that

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whatever happens, regardless of how many

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people survive or how many people

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die in this, she's got to make sure

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that the kids and

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the eggs will survive

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to continue the

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black team Targaryen line. So. So to

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me, it was. It was. Even though she was

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disappointed, I think especially. But when Baila

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and her talked, I think she realized on some

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level, okay, I do have one of the most important missions here.

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Even though I'm not picking up a sword, I am doing something very

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critical for this effort.

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>> Sarah : right, right, exactly. So what

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is your theory about sea smoke?

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>> Will: So I think, you know, when

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we get introduced to, ulaf, the

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guy in the. In the. Who is, Who does

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have dragon seed, because he apparently is,

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I guess, the bastard son of Balon and

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Viserys. Yeah. So as a claim,

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which, is funny. He, like, makes that claim just as aegon, like,

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walks. Right. I was like. I was

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like, okay, that scene did not play out how I thought it was going to play out.

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But, if that's the

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case. And, you know, the thing about this show

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we've Scene is they don't introduce characters just for no

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reason. And so.

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Yeah, so I'm thinking if he is indeed of the

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Targaryen line, and they're going to need some people around, you know, we don't

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have this pair. We have this unpaired dragon right now.

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He might be the one that gets it.

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>> Sarah : Right, right. No, that. That is a. A

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great theory, and you're probably right because

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they have so far introduced between

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what,

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Allen. Allen. Yep.

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Olaf and then Hugh. Like

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these. These characters, very quote,

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unquote commoners who are

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given screen time that have

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yet to pay off, but they. But they will.

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They're certainly brewing the

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pot here. and it was

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a great transition scene of just,

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I mean, you know, Aegon

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Lyris talks some, sensing them, kind of

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manipulates him, but says, no, no,

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no, you can't go even though you want to,

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because that's what your family want,

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as they are also trying to get your throne,

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which. Which is kind of not

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necessarily true. No,

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but. But it's. It makes sense.

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like, you know, you can see, like, that

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is the button to push. And then. And then

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Aegon wants. Walks in and he's trying to get

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the squire to go fuck someone. And then he walks in on

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his. On his brother. And,

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I don't know.

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I really want to see

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more Amund and Aegon

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interactions. And so at the start of this

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episode, when Amund is at

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the, small council, I'm still not sure why.

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Like, they haven't been clear about what his title

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is, but there's

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clearly some respect and.

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And something there between these

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two. Yeah, but at the same

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time, then you have this scene, like, 40

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minutes later, and,

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half of me is just like, oh, my God, is this

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just. Is this a reminder that Eamon is still

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the little brother? Or is this

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just showing how,

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like, aegon,

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now we're seeing, like, the

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lunacy in his grief because the

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guy did just lose a son. I don't know

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how many days before this episode?

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>> Will: Oh, not too many. Cause, I mean, the rat. I

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mean, it was pretty clear what the establishment of the,

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rat catchers still hanging out in the square.

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it hasn't been that long. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Right. Which. Thank you for bringing that

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up, because, this

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episode, we already talked about, like, the

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female. The patriarchy versus the

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matriarchy and that sense on war.

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but I like the use of

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that image as well as

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there's a conversation

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where we learn more about the

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Brecken and Blackwood

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rivalry from, as Damon

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ends up talking to strong in

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Harrenhal.

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And I just

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love the line of, like,

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well, why did they hate each

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other? Well, who knows? That answer is lost in

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time.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Like, it. It is. And

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then that just echoes into

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a later scene where

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Rhaenyras and Rhaenyra go back and forth.

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It's like, you know, sooner or later, people will

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forget who. What the start of this was. I

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mean, right now, it's

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not. It's not Luke's death.

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It's actually Jaehaerys's death that is

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making people want to pick sides and thinking

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like, that was the start of the war. And, oh, yeah,

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don't forget there was a time when

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one of your sons poked out Iman's

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eye. So, like, did it start all the way

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back then? Like, when did it start? It doesn't

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matter. The only people only

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know what, like, the current event or

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action and also how it affects the other person.

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And. And I think just in terms of

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showing that hanging

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rat catcher, it's just a reminder.

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Arguably, at this point,

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more commoners have died

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than Targaryens.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah,

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there's the commoners. Yeah, more of. Yeah, the

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commoners have. Like, we talked about at the beginning, the

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proxy battle with the Brackens

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and the Blackwoods. Yeah. I mean, more people. But I'm glad you brought

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that. That up as far as what renees was

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telling Bernara and how that,

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you know, and I guess it was when I was thinking about,

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When we were talking about the cold open, I thought about that,

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too, as far as, like, why, you know,

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what. What's the purpose of all this fighting again?

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And, you know, and I guess when Damon was in here and

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all hearing from strong, I mean, those are all.

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I think that's what makes the

517
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show work so well for me. It's just

518
00:24:12.138 --> 00:24:14.046
like, you know,

519
00:24:14.906 --> 00:24:17.474
at the end of the day, we have all these

520
00:24:17.610 --> 00:24:20.162
various factions sort of positioning

521
00:24:20.194 --> 00:24:22.674
themselves and, you know,

522
00:24:22.850 --> 00:24:25.794
perceived slights and actual slights and, you know, it's

523
00:24:25.850 --> 00:24:28.802
sort of like, yeah, this is like,

524
00:24:28.914 --> 00:24:31.606
you see this in family. You do see this in families. It's like,

525
00:24:32.726 --> 00:24:35.726
what? You know, you just know somebody's beefing right now.

526
00:24:35.766 --> 00:24:38.734
Uncle. Uncle Jane is beefing with Aunt Susie,

527
00:24:38.790 --> 00:24:41.638
and at the end, you know, and the kids are kind

528
00:24:41.662 --> 00:24:44.106
of sitting there like, well, what's the beef about? And

529
00:24:44.966 --> 00:24:47.510
people, ah, it could be a beef that goes

530
00:24:47.558 --> 00:24:49.746
back to something in childhood.

531
00:24:50.286 --> 00:24:52.958
Well, people don't know about it.

532
00:24:53.062 --> 00:24:55.830
But, you know, here, as

533
00:24:55.878 --> 00:24:58.426
Renees points out at the end of it, you know,

534
00:24:59.736 --> 00:25:02.716
to your point, too, is, you know, if it's a

535
00:25:03.216 --> 00:25:05.968
kinsman versus kinsman fight and you have the

536
00:25:05.992 --> 00:25:08.648
nuclear bombs that people have in dragons, you

537
00:25:08.672 --> 00:25:11.152
know, so far, everybody's been

538
00:25:11.184 --> 00:25:14.072
restrained. But this is just.

539
00:25:14.184 --> 00:25:17.160
This is not going to end well for anyone

540
00:25:17.288 --> 00:25:19.916
if we. If we don't pull this back.

541
00:25:20.336 --> 00:25:23.152
>> Sarah : Right, right. Yeah. I think

542
00:25:23.224 --> 00:25:26.148
more what you're getting at is like, this show does

543
00:25:26.172 --> 00:25:29.004
a really good job about perspective because this

544
00:25:29.060 --> 00:25:32.052
episode, a lot of it actually. Well,

545
00:25:32.084 --> 00:25:34.890
not a lot of it, but, there's a bigger

546
00:25:34.938 --> 00:25:37.314
discussion being have about Harrenhal and the

547
00:25:37.330 --> 00:25:40.098
Riverlands. Like, yeah, they're

548
00:25:40.202 --> 00:25:42.362
dragonstone and King's

549
00:25:42.394 --> 00:25:45.322
Landing. Like, I could get

550
00:25:45.354 --> 00:25:46.886
there quickly.

551
00:25:49.986 --> 00:25:52.806
They're very close. And then you have,

552
00:25:53.326 --> 00:25:55.706
this divided family

553
00:25:56.086 --> 00:25:58.862
who are fighting each other or not

554
00:25:58.894 --> 00:26:01.854
even currently fighting, just preparing

555
00:26:01.990 --> 00:26:04.952
for war, inevitably. and

556
00:26:04.984 --> 00:26:07.556
then Damon arrives at Harrenhal,

557
00:26:09.696 --> 00:26:12.376
which abandoned, for the most

558
00:26:12.416 --> 00:26:15.312
part, people. It's just.

559
00:26:15.384 --> 00:26:18.232
It's like, it's like. And the guy is like, oh, what's

560
00:26:18.264 --> 00:26:20.316
going on in King's landing? Who cares?

561
00:26:22.056 --> 00:26:24.736
The further out you go. And this

562
00:26:24.776 --> 00:26:27.584
is something that I think why a lot of

563
00:26:27.600 --> 00:26:30.472
people gravitated to the game of Thrones series is

564
00:26:30.504 --> 00:26:33.216
that it was a world. It wasn't just one

565
00:26:33.256 --> 00:26:35.156
part. And we have spent

566
00:26:35.896 --> 00:26:38.552
so long in King's Landing

567
00:26:38.704 --> 00:26:41.576
and dragonstone that you forget Westeros

568
00:26:41.616 --> 00:26:44.544
is huge and wide, and

569
00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:47.568
there are people who. Yes.

570
00:26:47.752 --> 00:26:50.376
Are they affected by the political

571
00:26:50.536 --> 00:26:53.448
drama between the Targaryens? Absolutely. But

572
00:26:53.472 --> 00:26:56.256
at the same time, it's just like in that

573
00:26:56.296 --> 00:26:59.024
opening episode when we were at the wall in the north,

574
00:26:59.080 --> 00:27:01.752
it's like, I got other things to

575
00:27:01.784 --> 00:27:04.304
do. Yeah, I

576
00:27:04.320 --> 00:27:06.992
can't. Like you guys. You guys have

577
00:27:07.024 --> 00:27:09.982
dragons. Go. Go and fight. Okay. I, have to

578
00:27:09.998 --> 00:27:12.742
protect my men. So you're. You're

579
00:27:12.798 --> 00:27:15.710
seeing perspective. And the further you

580
00:27:15.742 --> 00:27:18.686
get away from it, the more, arguably

581
00:27:18.750 --> 00:27:21.222
the better and the, bigger

582
00:27:21.278 --> 00:27:23.994
perspective you have on the matter. It's just like,

583
00:27:24.374 --> 00:27:27.102
so, you know, one

584
00:27:27.158 --> 00:27:29.874
day long ago, no one's going to care

585
00:27:30.454 --> 00:27:33.382
what started this fight. They're just going to care at the end of the

586
00:27:33.398 --> 00:27:35.958
day, who won, who won, and what line

587
00:27:36.046 --> 00:27:38.526
continued and what line didn't because of

588
00:27:38.550 --> 00:27:41.110
it. And unfortunately, along the

589
00:27:41.142 --> 00:27:43.742
way, other people's

590
00:27:43.798 --> 00:27:46.742
lines totally get taken out, too. Just

591
00:27:46.798 --> 00:27:49.714
because, like, when you go to war, it's armies,

592
00:27:50.174 --> 00:27:51.874
people fighting. So.

593
00:27:53.694 --> 00:27:54.190
>> Will: Yeah.

594
00:27:54.262 --> 00:27:56.634
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah.

595
00:27:57.594 --> 00:27:58.334
what,

596
00:28:00.614 --> 00:28:02.834
Harrenhal, we also see,

597
00:28:04.284 --> 00:28:07.160
We see Damon have a vision

598
00:28:07.192 --> 00:28:09.824
of sorts where we

599
00:28:09.864 --> 00:28:12.678
see, the lovely young Rhaenyra

600
00:28:12.806 --> 00:28:15.264
sewing on, Jaehaerys neck.

601
00:28:15.304 --> 00:28:15.528
>> Will: Yeah.

602
00:28:15.576 --> 00:28:17.044
>> Sarah : Jaehaerys head.

603
00:28:19.264 --> 00:28:22.224
And then shortly after, hes told by

604
00:28:22.264 --> 00:28:25.048
some stranger in the castle that youre going to die

605
00:28:25.096 --> 00:28:25.684
here.

606
00:28:28.064 --> 00:28:29.764
So what are your thoughts on that?

607
00:28:30.164 --> 00:28:33.148
>> Will: Yeah, so, you know, so a couple

608
00:28:33.196 --> 00:28:35.836
things. One, I think it's the first time I've actually Scene

609
00:28:35.860 --> 00:28:38.604
Damon. Like, actually, like, he was freaked the fuck

610
00:28:38.644 --> 00:28:39.224
out.

611
00:28:41.324 --> 00:28:44.164
Yeah, he was. Yeah. This man

612
00:28:44.244 --> 00:28:47.100
actually, I was like, wow. Yeah. This this is this is

613
00:28:47.132 --> 00:28:49.498
creeping him out. And, But

614
00:28:49.546 --> 00:28:52.334
also there were so many things that. That

615
00:28:53.034 --> 00:28:55.944
were conveyed in that beyond the fear.

616
00:28:56.724 --> 00:28:59.572
And I don't know if it's one of those things where

617
00:28:59.628 --> 00:29:02.412
he was. He was. I mean, I think Damon does have a

618
00:29:02.428 --> 00:29:04.894
conscious. and

619
00:29:05.194 --> 00:29:08.050
there several things he probably was thinking

620
00:29:08.082 --> 00:29:10.954
about. I mean, maybe guilt over the fact that

621
00:29:10.994 --> 00:29:13.914
he did end up causing the

622
00:29:13.954 --> 00:29:16.814
death of a relatively innocent child.

623
00:29:17.144 --> 00:29:20.136
I also. It was very interesting that he, you know,

624
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:22.736
whenever he had the vision, it was

625
00:29:22.800 --> 00:29:24.512
of young Rhaenyra.

626
00:29:24.648 --> 00:29:25.040
>> Sarah : Yeah.

627
00:29:25.112 --> 00:29:27.880
>> Will: Was he feeling, you know, so was he

628
00:29:27.912 --> 00:29:30.404
feeling guilty or, you know, about

629
00:29:31.224 --> 00:29:34.048
some of the things that he did? You know,

630
00:29:34.176 --> 00:29:37.072
how he took advantage of his niece? I mean,

631
00:29:37.168 --> 00:29:39.404
so, no, there were just.

632
00:29:41.344 --> 00:29:43.004
>> Sarah : Sorry. Sorry.

633
00:29:44.064 --> 00:29:46.992
You raised an excellent question where I

634
00:29:47.008 --> 00:29:49.608
was just, like, why did they choose

635
00:29:49.776 --> 00:29:52.632
to show young Renera versus old

636
00:29:52.688 --> 00:29:54.728
Rhaenyra? I don't think it's guilt.

637
00:29:54.896 --> 00:29:55.608
>> Will: Okay.

638
00:29:55.736 --> 00:29:58.312
>> Sarah : Because she says something.

639
00:29:58.448 --> 00:30:01.160
She says, I'm always cleaning

640
00:30:01.192 --> 00:30:03.480
up what she says. And her

641
00:30:03.552 --> 00:30:05.694
actions are actually of,

642
00:30:06.112 --> 00:30:07.624
older Renera.

643
00:30:07.736 --> 00:30:08.388
>> Will: Right.

644
00:30:08.848 --> 00:30:11.596
>> Sarah : But she's younger. And, maybe they

645
00:30:11.644 --> 00:30:14.396
did that because that is

646
00:30:14.564 --> 00:30:17.484
quote unquote. I understand, but

647
00:30:17.508 --> 00:30:20.082
we're talking incest here. That is who

648
00:30:20.422 --> 00:30:22.886
he was initially attracted

649
00:30:22.934 --> 00:30:25.718
to. Initially loved.

650
00:30:25.870 --> 00:30:28.486
Like, that is who he fell in love with.

651
00:30:28.614 --> 00:30:29.322
>> Will: Yeah.

652
00:30:29.982 --> 00:30:32.838
>> Sarah : So I don't

653
00:30:32.870 --> 00:30:35.870
know. I mean, I

654
00:30:35.886 --> 00:30:38.854
just find it hard to believe. Like, he feels guilty

655
00:30:38.958 --> 00:30:41.598
over taking the advantage of which he

656
00:30:41.630 --> 00:30:44.590
arguably didn't. I mean, they didn't have sex

657
00:30:44.646 --> 00:30:47.642
in that episode. Christian Cole had sex

658
00:30:47.722 --> 00:30:49.346
with Rhaenyra in that episode.

659
00:30:49.434 --> 00:30:50.202
>> Will: Yeah, he did.

660
00:30:50.282 --> 00:30:53.262
>> Sarah : Like, yes, it's the uncle.

661
00:30:53.842 --> 00:30:56.794
Call it what you will, but he still had sex

662
00:30:56.858 --> 00:30:59.618
with Renera when she was clearly

663
00:30:59.650 --> 00:31:02.498
of age. She already had a few children.

664
00:31:02.610 --> 00:31:05.538
>> Will: Yeah. I mean, yeah, but

665
00:31:05.570 --> 00:31:07.822
he did take some indecent liberties. I mean,

666
00:31:08.722 --> 00:31:10.182
stuff happened there.

667
00:31:11.042 --> 00:31:14.034
>> Sarah : Yeah, there was. There was an emotional bound, but. But

668
00:31:14.098 --> 00:31:16.648
still the real villainous in person who should feel

669
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:18.492
guilty? Sir? Christian Cole.

670
00:31:20.392 --> 00:31:22.768
>> Will: Oh, yeah. Don't worry. I get it.

671
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:25.696
I'm going to pile on him here shortly. But.

672
00:31:25.824 --> 00:31:28.628
Yeah, but, I, you know, just

673
00:31:28.652 --> 00:31:31.450
getting back to that scene, and as far as, like,

674
00:31:31.538 --> 00:31:34.250
you know, as far as his death, I mean, I don't know if it's, you know,

675
00:31:34.378 --> 00:31:37.338
where are they talking? Literally, figuratively, you know,

676
00:31:37.362 --> 00:31:38.486
is it going to be. But.

677
00:31:40.986 --> 00:31:43.246
>> Sarah : I don't think it's going to be this season.

678
00:31:43.756 --> 00:31:46.452
But I think that they put that line in

679
00:31:46.484 --> 00:31:49.096
there very purposely.

680
00:31:49.396 --> 00:31:51.804
And this. The whole thing is so

681
00:31:51.860 --> 00:31:54.564
ominous that it's like, no, no,

682
00:31:54.700 --> 00:31:57.556
he is. He's going to die in an

683
00:31:57.596 --> 00:32:00.452
abandoned castle, probably the

684
00:32:00.484 --> 00:32:02.536
lord of that castle or something.

685
00:32:03.196 --> 00:32:06.056
And so all of this glory, like

686
00:32:06.876 --> 00:32:09.588
this legacy or whatever it is that

687
00:32:09.652 --> 00:32:12.428
he's wanted or feels like he was

688
00:32:12.492 --> 00:32:14.776
due because of his birthright,

689
00:32:15.096 --> 00:32:17.496
he. He will get. But he'll also die

690
00:32:17.536 --> 00:32:18.120
there.

691
00:32:18.288 --> 00:32:18.896
>> Will: Yeah.

692
00:32:19.016 --> 00:32:21.872
>> Sarah : I don't know. There's some kind of poetry in what they're trying

693
00:32:21.904 --> 00:32:24.840
to do with that. but I could be wrong. So.

694
00:32:24.888 --> 00:32:27.396
>> Will: No, no, yeah, yeah, no, I think something

695
00:32:27.816 --> 00:32:30.676
I will say I was, given all the

696
00:32:30.836 --> 00:32:33.820
strategic import that both

697
00:32:33.868 --> 00:32:36.708
sides were putting on Harrenhal, I was. I

698
00:32:36.732 --> 00:32:39.428
was. I had to be honest. I was. I was a little

699
00:32:39.452 --> 00:32:42.270
disappointed. Showed up. I was like.

700
00:32:42.388 --> 00:32:45.290
And I guess, you know, again, since I

701
00:32:45.298 --> 00:32:48.144
didn't want the heron halt, was it a, relevant

702
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:51.194
part of, Game of Thrones, the first series or

703
00:32:51.290 --> 00:32:52.970
I show up or.

704
00:32:53.138 --> 00:32:55.646
>> Sarah : It's been a while, guys. It's been a while.

705
00:32:56.506 --> 00:32:58.926
And I know that name.

706
00:32:59.266 --> 00:33:02.154
I think it was very. It was. It was.

707
00:33:02.330 --> 00:33:05.066
We were there for a bit in, I want to say,

708
00:33:05.106 --> 00:33:08.082
season two. I think. I think that's the castle we were

709
00:33:08.114 --> 00:33:09.114
talking about.

710
00:33:09.290 --> 00:33:10.178
>> Will: Okay.

711
00:33:10.362 --> 00:33:11.966
>> Sarah : But I'm not positive.

712
00:33:12.966 --> 00:33:15.510
but. But I definitely. I don't.

713
00:33:15.678 --> 00:33:18.582
It's not something like, oh, I've never heard of this

714
00:33:18.614 --> 00:33:21.454
place. And that's another thing. Like,

715
00:33:21.550 --> 00:33:24.534
for those who watch Game of thrones, for those who read

716
00:33:24.550 --> 00:33:27.262
the books, like, all of the

717
00:33:27.294 --> 00:33:30.182
places, like, they're. They're not sliding in,

718
00:33:30.254 --> 00:33:33.014
making up new. New

719
00:33:33.070 --> 00:33:34.026
places.

720
00:33:37.526 --> 00:33:40.302
They're like, we're gonna go easy on the readers or

721
00:33:40.334 --> 00:33:42.850
the. The viewers because we're already having,

722
00:33:42.978 --> 00:33:45.738
like, it's just driving

723
00:33:45.882 --> 00:33:48.690
me crazy. Like Renera. Renerous

724
00:33:48.778 --> 00:33:51.658
Renar. And like. Like, I'm like, how. What

725
00:33:51.682 --> 00:33:52.966
is happening here?

726
00:33:53.346 --> 00:33:56.120
>> Will: Yeah, I forgot that. I forgot that, Renara had

727
00:33:56.144 --> 00:33:58.148
a. Had an egon as well, you know.

728
00:33:58.848 --> 00:34:01.628
>> Sarah : Yeah. She has an agon. She has a vis.

729
00:34:02.368 --> 00:34:05.152
Like, people get a dictionary

730
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:07.560
with new words. I'm dying

731
00:34:07.664 --> 00:34:10.607
here. yeah, so let's. Let's get

732
00:34:10.647 --> 00:34:13.578
into Christian Cole, and then we'll, Then

733
00:34:13.618 --> 00:34:15.994
we'll get into Alison and

734
00:34:16.026 --> 00:34:18.090
Rhaenyra's final, ah, scene together.

735
00:34:18.194 --> 00:34:20.118
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So Cole.

736
00:34:20.538 --> 00:34:23.490
Yeah, he is so. You know, he is so in

737
00:34:23.514 --> 00:34:26.034
over his head. Whenever they, like, start the scene with him

738
00:34:26.066 --> 00:34:28.978
just standing there, like. And the look on his

739
00:34:29.018 --> 00:34:31.850
face when they pan to him and his

740
00:34:31.874 --> 00:34:34.098
whole body language and stuff, it was just like,

741
00:34:34.138 --> 00:34:36.439
mandy, I'm

742
00:34:37.099 --> 00:34:39.755
way in over my head. And

743
00:34:39.907 --> 00:34:42.699
then, of course, coming in late to the council meeting, and

744
00:34:42.779 --> 00:34:45.547
it's just like, yeah, everything about

745
00:34:45.603 --> 00:34:48.509
him is just, like, talking about fallen, failing

746
00:34:48.541 --> 00:34:51.533
upward, you know, falling upward even though he's, like,

747
00:34:51.653 --> 00:34:52.993
mediocre dude.

748
00:34:54.093 --> 00:34:56.553
>> Sarah : Right, right. he,

749
00:34:57.533 --> 00:35:00.381
like, I don't know. I

750
00:35:00.397 --> 00:35:03.349
don't know what to do with Christian Cole. I will say I

751
00:35:03.381 --> 00:35:06.359
did hear that the actor is getting some

752
00:35:06.391 --> 00:35:09.003
shit from fans, and guys,

753
00:35:09.503 --> 00:35:12.357
don't do that because, the actor is doing

754
00:35:12.405 --> 00:35:15.205
a fine job. Now, I

755
00:35:15.229 --> 00:35:18.229
will say it's not that. I love to

756
00:35:18.261 --> 00:35:20.869
hate Sir Christian Cole. It's not

757
00:35:20.901 --> 00:35:23.789
that. Trust me. We're going to talk about the boys in a bit.

758
00:35:23.861 --> 00:35:26.741
And I love to hate Homelander. I love to

759
00:35:26.757 --> 00:35:29.309
hate Homelander. He's an excellent villain.

760
00:35:29.421 --> 00:35:32.125
Through Christian Cole just

761
00:35:32.269 --> 00:35:34.673
happened to step into this role

762
00:35:37.213 --> 00:35:40.197
and made some choices. Now, the actor

763
00:35:40.245 --> 00:35:42.753
is performing perfectly fine.

764
00:35:43.573 --> 00:35:44.189
>> Will: Oh, yeah.

765
00:35:44.261 --> 00:35:47.037
>> Sarah : So just. Just do not confuse

766
00:35:47.085 --> 00:35:50.037
the two, okay? Do not.

767
00:35:50.205 --> 00:35:50.533
>> Will: Exactly.

768
00:35:53.243 --> 00:35:56.107
>> Sarah : and that goes for all of team green. All of team

769
00:35:56.155 --> 00:35:58.811
green. Lovely actors doing a great job,

770
00:35:58.947 --> 00:36:01.883
especially Olivia cook, in my opinion. But.

771
00:36:02.043 --> 00:36:04.683
But, like. Like, they don't

772
00:36:04.723 --> 00:36:07.611
confuse the actor for, like, the character. Very different

773
00:36:07.667 --> 00:36:10.313
people. and trust me, like,

774
00:36:10.813 --> 00:36:13.273
there's some characters from Game of Thrones, like

775
00:36:15.653 --> 00:36:18.513
those actors. Oh, those poor guys.

776
00:36:19.663 --> 00:36:22.567
but, yeah, like, whatever. He's. He's

777
00:36:22.615 --> 00:36:25.313
off. He's off with trying

778
00:36:25.393 --> 00:36:28.369
to do another scheme to go

779
00:36:28.401 --> 00:36:31.129
get to Harrenhal, which I'm excited for

780
00:36:31.201 --> 00:36:34.129
because I want Damon to, like, beat

781
00:36:34.161 --> 00:36:36.505
him a little bit. And.

782
00:36:36.649 --> 00:36:39.537
And he's being escorted of sorts

783
00:36:39.625 --> 00:36:40.223
by,

784
00:36:41.613 --> 00:36:44.261
Alison's brother, who,

785
00:36:44.397 --> 00:36:47.189
between Allison's brother and Allison's son

786
00:36:47.261 --> 00:36:50.019
that we never saw, the

787
00:36:50.051 --> 00:36:53.043
only, like, rewind five minutes when I say

788
00:36:53.163 --> 00:36:56.131
they're not throwing some random stuff in

789
00:36:56.147 --> 00:36:58.811
terms of the Hightowers, there's a bit of, like,

790
00:36:58.867 --> 00:37:01.663
family tree that I'm just not tracking.

791
00:37:04.443 --> 00:37:06.773
>> Will: Yeah, this sounds funny. you know, she.

792
00:37:08.433 --> 00:37:11.297
The tension between Alicent and Sir

793
00:37:11.345 --> 00:37:14.329
Christian whenever, her brother showed up

794
00:37:14.361 --> 00:37:17.271
and all of, you know, it, you

795
00:37:17.287 --> 00:37:20.271
know, he was asking for a blessing, and she gives her, you know, her

796
00:37:20.287 --> 00:37:22.863
little cloth from her breast. And I was just

797
00:37:22.903 --> 00:37:25.773
like, That's like, man,

798
00:37:26.053 --> 00:37:28.979
talk about, like, either.

799
00:37:29.171 --> 00:37:31.699
Either one, they're, like, having an icy breakup. Or

800
00:37:31.731 --> 00:37:34.715
two, it's too bad that they were, like, both thinking, damn,

801
00:37:34.739 --> 00:37:37.315
it's too bad we're in the middle of the square, so we can't get it on.

802
00:37:37.499 --> 00:37:40.259
>> Sarah : Oh, it's definitely not icy breakup. Those two

803
00:37:40.291 --> 00:37:42.943
are continuing to fuck. They. They will.

804
00:37:43.753 --> 00:37:46.385
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're. They're definitely

805
00:37:46.449 --> 00:37:47.729
still doing that.

806
00:37:47.881 --> 00:37:48.573
>> Will: Yeah.

807
00:37:48.953 --> 00:37:51.865
>> Sarah : All the while, he carries a torch for

808
00:37:51.889 --> 00:37:54.853
Renera that I will never understand. But,

809
00:37:55.863 --> 00:37:58.083
speaking about Renara and Alicent,

810
00:37:58.593 --> 00:38:01.449
So in this episode, it

811
00:38:01.481 --> 00:38:04.113
had to happen. And am

812
00:38:04.153 --> 00:38:07.033
I. It's a little bittersweet because

813
00:38:07.193 --> 00:38:10.133
on one hand, I'm like, this is the

814
00:38:10.173 --> 00:38:12.909
second time we've had someone from team black

815
00:38:12.981 --> 00:38:15.717
sneak into King's Landing. And

816
00:38:15.765 --> 00:38:18.357
it's guys like, come

817
00:38:18.405 --> 00:38:21.253
on. And some people I've heard have

818
00:38:21.293 --> 00:38:24.237
been like, yeah, but the tension of it all and her

819
00:38:24.285 --> 00:38:27.157
dressing up, and I was like, what? You really think they're gonna

820
00:38:27.205 --> 00:38:30.157
kill Renara in the, like, this random

821
00:38:30.205 --> 00:38:32.965
episode? Like, no, there's no way. So

822
00:38:33.109 --> 00:38:35.989
it's just, like, I didn't like that. Now, the

823
00:38:36.021 --> 00:38:38.877
scene itself, all that being

824
00:38:38.925 --> 00:38:41.849
said, the circumstances, not my cup of

825
00:38:41.881 --> 00:38:44.241
tea, arguably very

826
00:38:44.297 --> 00:38:47.121
flimsy on plot

827
00:38:47.177 --> 00:38:49.573
there and rules, but

828
00:38:49.953 --> 00:38:52.933
the scene itself between Renera and Allison,

829
00:38:53.633 --> 00:38:56.617
I love their chemistry because

830
00:38:56.665 --> 00:38:59.457
it took me right back to season one. And

831
00:38:59.505 --> 00:39:01.923
arguably, it took me to

832
00:39:02.003 --> 00:39:04.875
young Alicent and Renera,

833
00:39:05.019 --> 00:39:07.395
where there was just something about their

834
00:39:07.459 --> 00:39:10.355
mannerisms changed the way they talked to

835
00:39:10.379 --> 00:39:12.903
one another. You're like, yes,

836
00:39:13.323 --> 00:39:15.023
clearly history,

837
00:39:15.443 --> 00:39:17.883
clearly friendship, yet

838
00:39:17.963 --> 00:39:20.823
also a lot of baggage.

839
00:39:21.163 --> 00:39:22.623
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

840
00:39:23.003 --> 00:39:25.939
>> Sarah : And it was just. It was great. I

841
00:39:25.971 --> 00:39:28.635
love. I love how it played out in

842
00:39:28.699 --> 00:39:31.063
terms of, like,

843
00:39:33.163 --> 00:39:36.147
going back through all of the wrongs

844
00:39:36.315 --> 00:39:39.243
and then also concluding with, like,

845
00:39:39.363 --> 00:39:41.931
Rhaenyra finally hearing from Alison

846
00:39:42.107 --> 00:39:44.867
what the words and more than one

847
00:39:44.915 --> 00:39:47.731
word. He didn't just say aegon, what the

848
00:39:47.787 --> 00:39:50.699
words were that Viserys

849
00:39:50.731 --> 00:39:52.979
said on his deathbed and in his final

850
00:39:53.051 --> 00:39:55.243
moments. And

851
00:39:57.703 --> 00:40:00.535
now I would. I would love to say that I walked

852
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.039
away being like, yeah, Allison, you fucked

853
00:40:03.071 --> 00:40:05.729
up. But, I'm

854
00:40:05.761 --> 00:40:08.369
sorry. I'm a little bit on Allison's side

855
00:40:08.441 --> 00:40:11.113
here. Even if she

856
00:40:11.153 --> 00:40:13.977
realizes, like, she realized in that moment she screwed

857
00:40:14.025 --> 00:40:16.841
up, she literally

858
00:40:16.897 --> 00:40:19.833
can't do anything. Like, what

859
00:40:19.873 --> 00:40:21.745
do you want her to do?

860
00:40:21.889 --> 00:40:23.155
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

861
00:40:23.299 --> 00:40:25.035
>> Sarah : Like, I'm actually.

862
00:40:25.099 --> 00:40:26.067
>> Will: I'm actually there with you.

863
00:40:26.115 --> 00:40:28.673
>> Sarah : Yeah. yeah, yeah. It's like. It's like,

864
00:40:29.293 --> 00:40:31.973
so, Renera, you think it's as easy

865
00:40:32.053 --> 00:40:34.833
as Alison admitting she was wrong.

866
00:40:35.373 --> 00:40:38.193
And then, like, she can wave a wand

867
00:40:38.533 --> 00:40:41.429
and Jaehaerys will suddenly be

868
00:40:41.461 --> 00:40:44.005
alive and Aegon will step

869
00:40:44.069 --> 00:40:47.029
down. Like. Like, at this point,

870
00:40:47.141 --> 00:40:48.459
it's a too late.

871
00:40:48.611 --> 00:40:51.499
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

872
00:40:51.611 --> 00:40:54.603
I'm completely there with you. I was. Even though I'm still solidly

873
00:40:54.643 --> 00:40:57.563
team black, but absolutely. But in that

874
00:40:57.603 --> 00:40:59.743
moment. Yeah, it was.

875
00:41:01.723 --> 00:41:03.863
To your point. I mean, it was like,

876
00:41:05.163 --> 00:41:07.875
it was a bit naive of Renera. I don't know if

877
00:41:07.931 --> 00:41:10.687
naive the white word, but it was just

878
00:41:12.507 --> 00:41:15.507
always not gonna be. Well, just because y'all had this moment of,

879
00:41:15.547 --> 00:41:18.367
like, realization, like, you know,

880
00:41:18.407 --> 00:41:20.667
where Alison, because Allison did. Was like.

881
00:41:21.287 --> 00:41:23.871
Did realize that she missed,

882
00:41:23.959 --> 00:41:26.487
heard what and mistake was

883
00:41:26.527 --> 00:41:29.439
mistaken about what happened that night. Even though she's like, what was

884
00:41:29.463 --> 00:41:32.383
no mistake. He's like, yes, there was a mistake, but. But

885
00:41:32.415 --> 00:41:35.167
at the same time, Renera didn't. Like, there was

886
00:41:35.207 --> 00:41:37.987
nothing there that she offered to,

887
00:41:39.447 --> 00:41:40.187
like,

888
00:41:41.777 --> 00:41:44.561
make. Make this

889
00:41:44.729 --> 00:41:47.561
right or make this. Make this

890
00:41:47.689 --> 00:41:48.517
mistake

891
00:41:50.097 --> 00:41:50.837
right.

892
00:41:52.217 --> 00:41:55.033
>> Sarah : It wasn't like, pull back. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't

893
00:41:55.065 --> 00:41:57.929
like, here. Here's what you did wrong, and here's how we

894
00:41:57.953 --> 00:41:58.649
fix this.

895
00:41:58.753 --> 00:41:59.033
>> Will: Yeah.

896
00:41:59.065 --> 00:42:01.985
>> Sarah : And so, I mean, I'm just. I'm gonna call

897
00:42:02.041 --> 00:42:04.673
spade a spade, but technically, this was

898
00:42:04.705 --> 00:42:06.197
Ranaeirus's idea.

899
00:42:08.697 --> 00:42:09.569
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

900
00:42:09.673 --> 00:42:12.473
>> Sarah : Renara, you better go back to Reneris and be like, why do you

901
00:42:12.505 --> 00:42:15.289
send me there? Like, we couldn't do anything.

902
00:42:15.353 --> 00:42:18.329
Like. Like, I. The women and

903
00:42:18.353 --> 00:42:20.849
their strategies and their political thinking. They're very

904
00:42:20.913 --> 00:42:23.849
smart. However, there was just this flaw here

905
00:42:23.913 --> 00:42:26.905
where it's like, yeah, even if you two

906
00:42:26.961 --> 00:42:29.197
talk and suddenly hug,

907
00:42:29.817 --> 00:42:32.497
like, you can't. You

908
00:42:32.537 --> 00:42:35.305
can't erase everything that's happened and

909
00:42:35.361 --> 00:42:38.261
neither of you have power to change

910
00:42:38.349 --> 00:42:41.101
it. Like. Like, what does like?

911
00:42:41.189 --> 00:42:44.127
It. It is, It is a bit

912
00:42:44.183 --> 00:42:46.823
heartbreaking when. When you have

913
00:42:46.871 --> 00:42:49.819
that as a viewer, which is interesting

914
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:53.087
that, you know, it was great to see these

915
00:42:53.143 --> 00:42:56.015
two. And finally, like, the truth

916
00:42:56.087 --> 00:42:59.079
is revealed and Alicent sees what she did

917
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:01.519
wrong in that. In that moment, but

918
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:03.941
there's nothing to be done

919
00:43:04.135 --> 00:43:06.785
now. Like, you

920
00:43:06.817 --> 00:43:09.761
can't change it, and you certainly can't change

921
00:43:09.865 --> 00:43:12.369
anything that has transpired since then.

922
00:43:12.529 --> 00:43:15.109
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And

923
00:43:15.689 --> 00:43:18.269
to that point, about the power, this scene

924
00:43:18.309 --> 00:43:20.769
wasn't. Apparently, the scene was not in the book.

925
00:43:21.009 --> 00:43:23.919
but, you know, it makes sense to,

926
00:43:24.499 --> 00:43:27.379
as far as, again, what we've talked about with it being a very

927
00:43:27.419 --> 00:43:30.305
patriarchal society and also

928
00:43:30.417 --> 00:43:31.069
people,

929
00:43:35.349 --> 00:43:38.349
even if they go back to their respective

930
00:43:38.389 --> 00:43:41.169
people, as far as their counsel and stuff,

931
00:43:43.629 --> 00:43:46.557
the die is cast and things are too far down.

932
00:43:46.693 --> 00:43:49.581
And so much has happened. And

933
00:43:49.645 --> 00:43:52.589
as we talked about earlier, people at this point

934
00:43:52.629 --> 00:43:55.461
now aren't even clear about what started this

935
00:43:55.485 --> 00:43:58.451
whole conflict. But, you know, we. We gotta

936
00:43:58.475 --> 00:44:00.279
fight this. You know, we gotta fight now.

937
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:03.503
>> Sarah : Well, right. It's not even like

938
00:44:03.591 --> 00:44:06.151
they don't even care why the Targaryens are

939
00:44:06.175 --> 00:44:08.839
fighting. They have a reason to

940
00:44:08.879 --> 00:44:11.671
fight for something that they've wanted to. And

941
00:44:11.695 --> 00:44:14.599
that's what played out in that cold open, like.

942
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:16.959
Yeah, they just use it as an excuse.

943
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:18.047
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

944
00:44:18.103 --> 00:44:18.727
>> Sarah : So.

945
00:44:18.903 --> 00:44:21.831
>> Will: Yeah, so, I mean, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'll do.

946
00:44:21.855 --> 00:44:24.591
But you're right. I mean, as far as the scene itself. And, you know, I get

947
00:44:24.615 --> 00:44:26.939
Renaissance idea. you know, she.

948
00:44:27.799 --> 00:44:30.727
Even whenever she and Renera were talking earlier, as far

949
00:44:30.743 --> 00:44:33.639
as, like, you know, we auto. You know, all the players

950
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:36.527
are gone now. Cause Otto Hightower is no longer

951
00:44:36.623 --> 00:44:39.247
out. You know, she played the role of

952
00:44:39.263 --> 00:44:42.055
Hightower in this episode. Last episode. High Otto was.

953
00:44:42.087 --> 00:44:44.999
The cooler heads must prevail. Renee's played that role this

954
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.569
time. But both, of them are

955
00:44:47.665 --> 00:44:50.457
powerless to do anything. Renees, because she's a

956
00:44:50.489 --> 00:44:53.439
woman in this male world,

957
00:44:53.575 --> 00:44:56.503
and Otto because he's no longer king to, you know, he's no longer hand to the

958
00:44:56.527 --> 00:44:58.931
king. So, yeah, they just.

959
00:44:59.431 --> 00:45:01.919
I agree with you. It was very, like,

960
00:45:02.095 --> 00:45:05.047
heartbreaking or sobering when you realized, like,

961
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:08.223
yeah, you know, maybe if this had happened

962
00:45:08.327 --> 00:45:10.783
before Jace and

963
00:45:10.807 --> 00:45:13.687
Eamon met there, you know, any

964
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:16.711
number. I guess there's any number of reflection points where they could have, like,

965
00:45:16.791 --> 00:45:19.481
stopped things getting to this point, but now

966
00:45:19.641 --> 00:45:21.061
there's nothing can be done.

967
00:45:21.641 --> 00:45:24.385
>> Sarah : Yeah. Well,

968
00:45:24.553 --> 00:45:27.441
that is it for House of dragon. Let's move

969
00:45:27.481 --> 00:45:30.369
on to the boys. Episode five, beware

970
00:45:30.425 --> 00:45:32.661
of the jabberwock, my son.

971
00:45:33.041 --> 00:45:35.381
Aka animal farm.

972
00:45:37.761 --> 00:45:39.981
>> Will: Aka doom patrol season.

973
00:45:40.681 --> 00:45:43.313
>> Sarah : Thank you. Thank you. I

974
00:45:43.457 --> 00:45:46.323
know it took me a bit. It took me a bit. And

975
00:45:46.347 --> 00:45:49.051
then suddenly, about halfway about the time

976
00:45:49.131 --> 00:45:51.985
when. When Annie, slaps Newman,

977
00:45:52.153 --> 00:45:54.421
I'm just like, wait a second.

978
00:45:55.281 --> 00:45:58.105
Why. Why am I getting

979
00:45:58.193 --> 00:46:01.025
a mix of animal farm and doom

980
00:46:01.073 --> 00:46:01.781
patrol?

981
00:46:02.841 --> 00:46:05.813
>> Will: I got it when, When a, butcher, like, killed

982
00:46:05.829 --> 00:46:08.125
the chick, killed the bunny, crushed it.

983
00:46:08.165 --> 00:46:10.925
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was. It was

984
00:46:10.965 --> 00:46:13.167
just this weird. I.

985
00:46:13.341 --> 00:46:16.051
Weird whole sequence that

986
00:46:16.083 --> 00:46:18.947
I'll admit towards the end, I kind of checked out of what

987
00:46:18.971 --> 00:46:21.609
was going on in animal Farm, because

988
00:46:21.737 --> 00:46:24.553
this episode really is divided into,

989
00:46:24.729 --> 00:46:26.925
arguably three parts. But,

990
00:46:28.405 --> 00:46:31.243
we'll stick to animal Farm, here to start

991
00:46:31.299 --> 00:46:34.055
with, as it's

992
00:46:34.095 --> 00:46:36.675
basically the race to the virus.

993
00:46:36.975 --> 00:46:37.755
>> Will: Yeah.

994
00:46:38.375 --> 00:46:40.839
>> Sarah : And the person behind the virus

995
00:46:40.927 --> 00:46:42.885
are. Or kind of,

996
00:46:43.455 --> 00:46:45.755
He. He's a scientist,

997
00:46:46.655 --> 00:46:49.385
who also is Newman's, ah,

998
00:46:50.303 --> 00:46:53.155
daughter's father. So they got a thing.

999
00:46:53.375 --> 00:46:56.129
but I'm just going to go straight to the end, because you

1000
00:46:56.177 --> 00:46:59.049
said something to me last week that the end of this

1001
00:46:59.097 --> 00:47:01.827
episode, I'm like, there's.

1002
00:47:01.891 --> 00:47:04.635
There's no way. It can not, not

1003
00:47:04.795 --> 00:47:07.675
be. So last week, will,

1004
00:47:07.795 --> 00:47:10.171
you said, I don't. What if

1005
00:47:10.203 --> 00:47:12.535
Kessler isn't real?

1006
00:47:13.515 --> 00:47:16.379
Yeah. I think. I think it was painfully obvious

1007
00:47:16.467 --> 00:47:19.435
in the last scene of this episode that Kessler is not

1008
00:47:19.475 --> 00:47:20.059
real.

1009
00:47:20.227 --> 00:47:20.907
>> Will: Yeah.

1010
00:47:21.051 --> 00:47:22.815
>> Sarah : And. And I'm mad

1011
00:47:24.595 --> 00:47:26.673
because, like,

1012
00:47:26.849 --> 00:47:29.347
like, I mad, for two

1013
00:47:29.411 --> 00:47:32.375
reasons. One reason is, I don't know

1014
00:47:32.835 --> 00:47:35.651
if it's as obvious. Had you not

1015
00:47:35.763 --> 00:47:38.659
said that to me last week, like, m if I had

1016
00:47:38.707 --> 00:47:41.635
watched this episode without. Not with that thought, not

1017
00:47:41.675 --> 00:47:44.379
in my mind, would I have still Scene

1018
00:47:44.427 --> 00:47:47.107
it, like, clear as day? That being

1019
00:47:47.171 --> 00:47:50.171
said, the fact that you have c.

1020
00:47:50.203 --> 00:47:53.037
Marden, who's tied up and

1021
00:47:53.101 --> 00:47:55.989
being held hostage, and butcher coming in

1022
00:47:56.117 --> 00:47:59.037
and supposedly Kessler is behind him, and

1023
00:47:59.061 --> 00:48:01.885
at one point, you even see,

1024
00:48:02.005 --> 00:48:04.597
hear butcher say, like, we need

1025
00:48:04.661 --> 00:48:07.565
you, and, like, use the word we and us

1026
00:48:07.645 --> 00:48:10.389
and everything. And Seymour looks confused.

1027
00:48:10.517 --> 00:48:13.485
He doesn't question it, which is

1028
00:48:13.525 --> 00:48:15.901
annoying to me because I'm like, dude, come on,

1029
00:48:15.973 --> 00:48:18.181
question. But also the.

1030
00:48:18.213 --> 00:48:21.181
They're not revealing it, so they're planting the

1031
00:48:21.213 --> 00:48:24.065
seeds. So I feel like

1032
00:48:25.765 --> 00:48:28.701
majority of me would say, if you didn't

1033
00:48:28.733 --> 00:48:31.701
tell me that last week, I would have watched this episode in that

1034
00:48:31.733 --> 00:48:34.229
ending scene, I would have come on tonight and been like,

1035
00:48:34.317 --> 00:48:36.065
Kessler is not real.

1036
00:48:40.245 --> 00:48:42.645
But. Yeah. What were your thoughts on

1037
00:48:42.685 --> 00:48:43.265
that?

1038
00:48:43.935 --> 00:48:46.789
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. with the whole Kessler thing,

1039
00:48:46.877 --> 00:48:49.829
you know, because especially not only the end,

1040
00:48:49.877 --> 00:48:52.477
but also when they have their JFK moment in the

1041
00:48:52.501 --> 00:48:52.997
park.

1042
00:48:53.141 --> 00:48:53.865
>> Sarah : Yep.

1043
00:48:54.985 --> 00:48:57.967
>> Will: and, it was just the way

1044
00:48:57.991 --> 00:49:00.791
it was, like, shot. I mean, it was like this gray, like,

1045
00:49:00.903 --> 00:49:03.551
over filter on the. On the

1046
00:49:03.583 --> 00:49:06.325
scene. just to, like, give that.

1047
00:49:06.485 --> 00:49:08.985
But just to sort of give that ominous

1048
00:49:09.695 --> 00:49:12.647
air to their discussion and stuff, just to

1049
00:49:12.671 --> 00:49:15.653
sort of frame things as far as, the plan

1050
00:49:15.749 --> 00:49:18.373
and with the virus and

1051
00:49:18.469 --> 00:49:21.397
everything else. And it was. Speaking of the virus, great tie in

1052
00:49:21.421 --> 00:49:24.421
to Gen v. We were wondering. Yeah, we were

1053
00:49:24.453 --> 00:49:27.143
wondering when we were going to get that, get the payoff

1054
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:29.825
with, what we saw at the last scene there

1055
00:49:29.985 --> 00:49:32.489
and, that

1056
00:49:32.577 --> 00:49:34.385
show. But,

1057
00:49:34.643 --> 00:49:36.651
>> Sarah : Yeah, I have a question for you.

1058
00:49:36.723 --> 00:49:37.375
>> Will: Yeah.

1059
00:49:38.635 --> 00:49:40.855
>> Sarah : Because we know that

1060
00:49:41.315 --> 00:49:44.043
Butcher is having visions of his late

1061
00:49:44.099 --> 00:49:47.027
wife. So m that just makes me wonder,

1062
00:49:47.211 --> 00:49:49.415
who is Kessler to Butcher?

1063
00:49:50.555 --> 00:49:53.395
>> Will: So I do think he was someone

1064
00:49:53.475 --> 00:49:56.379
that butcher teamed up with back in

1065
00:49:56.387 --> 00:49:59.315
the. Back in the day. so I do think he was

1066
00:49:59.355 --> 00:50:02.051
maybe. And maybe he's dead now. I don't know.

1067
00:50:02.083 --> 00:50:04.667
Maybe he's, like, deep, deep, deep clever, because, I mean,

1068
00:50:04.691 --> 00:50:07.643
butcher, you know, Butcher was kicked out of

1069
00:50:07.819 --> 00:50:08.535
the,

1070
00:50:10.875 --> 00:50:12.775
the whole CIA group that,

1071
00:50:13.755 --> 00:50:16.651
you know, where, I guess where Ryan was was. I guess

1072
00:50:16.683 --> 00:50:19.627
the, What was the lady's name? I came over her name now, but

1073
00:50:20.237 --> 00:50:23.191
m. I think they have some connections there

1074
00:50:23.319 --> 00:50:25.107
for the company, so

1075
00:50:26.087 --> 00:50:29.071
maybe that's where Kessler is coming in. So, I

1076
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:31.879
mean, maybe he's. Maybe he's still alive somewhere out there, but I

1077
00:50:31.903 --> 00:50:32.375
think.

1078
00:50:32.511 --> 00:50:34.387
>> Sarah : Oh, I don't. I don't think so.

1079
00:50:34.537 --> 00:50:37.517
>> Will: but. But I think he's just the personification of, like,

1080
00:50:38.297 --> 00:50:41.089
the. I guess. I guess he's the black. He's the worm that

1081
00:50:41.113 --> 00:50:43.881
keeps rummaging around and that we see every time.

1082
00:50:43.929 --> 00:50:45.877
And butcher's body.

1083
00:50:46.257 --> 00:50:49.083
>> Sarah : Right. And so we've

1084
00:50:49.115 --> 00:50:51.527
never Scene Butcher's dad, right?

1085
00:50:51.867 --> 00:50:54.827
>> Will: No. Oh, yeah, we did. We did remember he. Yeah,

1086
00:50:54.867 --> 00:50:56.607
we saw him. Yeah.

1087
00:50:57.147 --> 00:50:59.827
>> Sarah : Right. And his brother died when they were young.

1088
00:50:59.907 --> 00:51:02.667
Right, right. So it couldn't,

1089
00:51:02.747 --> 00:51:05.673
it couldn't technically be either one of them. Right, yeah.

1090
00:51:05.785 --> 00:51:06.585
>> Will: Right, right.

1091
00:51:06.681 --> 00:51:09.547
>> Sarah : Because I, will, I'm just going to put this out there. Jeffrey Dean

1092
00:51:09.587 --> 00:51:12.531
Morgan has played a dead

1093
00:51:12.579 --> 00:51:15.561
father in a show called Supernatural,

1094
00:51:15.649 --> 00:51:18.025
which was also written by Eric Crypti.

1095
00:51:18.081 --> 00:51:18.677
So

1096
00:51:21.577 --> 00:51:24.009
Jeffrey Dean Morgan does have a type of a

1097
00:51:24.033 --> 00:51:24.597
role.

1098
00:51:26.777 --> 00:51:29.607
So, I mean. Yeah, I hear you.

1099
00:51:29.907 --> 00:51:32.811
I kind of wish it would be something a bit

1100
00:51:32.859 --> 00:51:35.807
deeper, like, than, like an old coworker,

1101
00:51:36.267 --> 00:51:38.771
but I just, like. That's my new

1102
00:51:38.819 --> 00:51:41.731
question. I'm already declaring himself

1103
00:51:41.779 --> 00:51:44.763
a ghost in my mind, and now

1104
00:51:44.795 --> 00:51:47.731
I just want to understand why. Why Kessler,

1105
00:51:47.819 --> 00:51:50.811
out of everyone butcher has encountered, especially

1106
00:51:50.899 --> 00:51:53.811
because we are seeing him have visions

1107
00:51:53.859 --> 00:51:56.683
of his late wife. So, yeah, it's

1108
00:51:56.715 --> 00:51:59.491
interesting. anything else

1109
00:51:59.539 --> 00:52:02.043
about animal, I mean.

1110
00:52:02.115 --> 00:52:04.567
>> Will: Well, the biggie was Stan Edgar coming back.

1111
00:52:04.877 --> 00:52:07.217
>> Sarah : Oh, yeah, yeah, it'll stand.

1112
00:52:07.637 --> 00:52:10.525
>> Will: Yeah. I mean, I love it when it's like. It's an absolute

1113
00:52:10.581 --> 00:52:13.509
wonder. You have. You've made

1114
00:52:13.533 --> 00:52:16.509
it this far, you know?

1115
00:52:16.613 --> 00:52:19.365
>> Sarah : But he's not wrong. Yeah, he's not

1116
00:52:19.421 --> 00:52:22.373
wrong. It really is. I

1117
00:52:22.405 --> 00:52:25.221
mean, it really is like Annie

1118
00:52:25.269 --> 00:52:28.213
just on national television, beat firecracker

1119
00:52:28.245 --> 00:52:30.949
to death, and, and, she's still wondering why

1120
00:52:31.021 --> 00:52:32.909
America suddenly hates her.

1121
00:52:33.061 --> 00:52:36.053
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Annie Newman. The

1122
00:52:36.093 --> 00:52:39.013
dynamic there with Newman teasing her as far as, like,

1123
00:52:39.053 --> 00:52:41.473
not being able to use her powers and stuff. And,

1124
00:52:41.933 --> 00:52:44.875
Annie just. Just angry, because, I guess

1125
00:52:45.295 --> 00:52:47.767
just frustrated.

1126
00:52:47.911 --> 00:52:50.631
Because basically it's just all a mental block at this

1127
00:52:50.663 --> 00:52:53.487
point. It's all in her head as far as why she can't, like,

1128
00:52:53.551 --> 00:52:55.943
you know, do the starlight thing

1129
00:52:55.999 --> 00:52:58.715
so well, she can.

1130
00:52:59.035 --> 00:53:01.995
>> Sarah : She just chooses not to because she thinks,

1131
00:53:02.035 --> 00:53:04.939
like, what she doesn't realize

1132
00:53:05.027 --> 00:53:07.939
is starlight is not, like, a

1133
00:53:07.987 --> 00:53:10.219
separate entity.

1134
00:53:10.387 --> 00:53:13.179
Starlight's a part of her, and so is Annie.

1135
00:53:13.347 --> 00:53:16.107
It wasn't Ann. It wasn't Starlight

1136
00:53:16.171 --> 00:53:18.179
who went and got an abortion.

1137
00:53:18.347 --> 00:53:18.771
>> Will: Right?

1138
00:53:18.843 --> 00:53:21.295
>> Sarah : It was Annie. And

1139
00:53:21.875 --> 00:53:24.459
that information, Annie's

1140
00:53:24.547 --> 00:53:27.227
information, medical and truth, was shared with the

1141
00:53:27.251 --> 00:53:29.691
entire nation. So,

1142
00:53:29.883 --> 00:53:32.667
like, as Annie,

1143
00:53:32.731 --> 00:53:35.371
she is upset, but. So.

1144
00:53:35.443 --> 00:53:38.331
So it's just, I think it's more about her

1145
00:53:38.403 --> 00:53:40.335
real recognizing. Like,

1146
00:53:41.195 --> 00:53:44.115
it doesn't matter if I wear the cape or not. I'm still

1147
00:53:44.155 --> 00:53:46.635
a human who deals with this emotion called

1148
00:53:46.715 --> 00:53:49.643
anger and fear and resentment, and I

1149
00:53:49.659 --> 00:53:52.055
can still be a bitch. Like,

1150
00:53:53.045 --> 00:53:55.773
Vought didn't inject me with those kind of

1151
00:53:55.829 --> 00:53:58.821
emotional steroids. No, they injected

1152
00:53:58.893 --> 00:54:01.425
me with stuff that allows me to have powers.

1153
00:54:02.005 --> 00:54:04.465
and. And, yeah, but,

1154
00:54:05.325 --> 00:54:08.309
yeah, yeah, she's just. She's very angry.

1155
00:54:08.357 --> 00:54:11.277
And I think one of my issues, and

1156
00:54:11.301 --> 00:54:13.425
I understand why they did that, but.

1157
00:54:14.885 --> 00:54:17.809
Or did this, is that this. This season

1158
00:54:17.997 --> 00:54:20.005
has been very minimal.

1159
00:54:20.905 --> 00:54:23.825
Annie and Hughie, I mean, for the last

1160
00:54:23.865 --> 00:54:26.697
few episodes, Huey has been

1161
00:54:26.761 --> 00:54:29.045
off on his own little story

1162
00:54:29.585 --> 00:54:32.225
with his parents that came out of

1163
00:54:32.265 --> 00:54:35.177
nowhere. And which I

1164
00:54:35.321 --> 00:54:38.321
liked this episode. I really did.

1165
00:54:38.393 --> 00:54:41.353
I didn't check out a whole lot on

1166
00:54:41.489 --> 00:54:44.065
Huey and mom and dad storyline

1167
00:54:44.145 --> 00:54:46.815
because I did like the

1168
00:54:46.855 --> 00:54:49.791
whole metaphor. Like, you get the. Realize. You get the

1169
00:54:49.823 --> 00:54:52.287
explanation for why Hughie's dad

1170
00:54:52.351 --> 00:54:55.055
didn't let him be in charge of the

1171
00:54:55.095 --> 00:54:57.765
DNR. because he.

1172
00:54:57.845 --> 00:54:59.745
And the moment

1173
00:55:00.725 --> 00:55:03.437
his father explains it, as a

1174
00:55:03.461 --> 00:55:06.461
viewer who has watched Hughie for seasons, you're like,

1175
00:55:06.493 --> 00:55:08.389
yes. You know your son.

1176
00:55:08.557 --> 00:55:09.373
>> Will: Yep.

1177
00:55:09.549 --> 00:55:11.053
>> Sarah : That is who he is.

1178
00:55:11.189 --> 00:55:12.465
>> Will: That's who he is. Yeah.

1179
00:55:12.505 --> 00:55:15.393
>> Sarah : That is duly noted for real

1180
00:55:15.449 --> 00:55:17.405
life circumstances, but

1181
00:55:18.265 --> 00:55:20.625
we don't want to be the dog in that scenario,

1182
00:55:20.705 --> 00:55:23.409
so. And then to

1183
00:55:23.457 --> 00:55:26.417
have that juxtapose with

1184
00:55:26.561 --> 00:55:29.081
his dad getting the

1185
00:55:29.113 --> 00:55:31.657
powers and then just

1186
00:55:31.761 --> 00:55:34.445
everything going to shit.

1187
00:55:35.105 --> 00:55:35.673
>> Will: Yeah.

1188
00:55:35.769 --> 00:55:38.745
>> Sarah : I mean, I'm always

1189
00:55:38.915 --> 00:55:41.717
fascinating how on the boys, like, it's been

1190
00:55:41.781 --> 00:55:44.509
four seasons, and yet they still

1191
00:55:44.637 --> 00:55:47.173
come out with these powers that you've Scene in

1192
00:55:47.229 --> 00:55:49.981
other comic book shows and

1193
00:55:50.013 --> 00:55:52.837
everything. And you're like, oh, that would be cool. And then it's like,

1194
00:55:53.021 --> 00:55:55.989
nope. Because I want. I saw that power on the boys,

1195
00:55:56.037 --> 00:55:58.745
and that could go south very quickly.

1196
00:56:00.845 --> 00:56:01.661
>> Will: For sure.

1197
00:56:01.813 --> 00:56:04.603
>> Sarah : You literally can walk through walls

1198
00:56:04.789 --> 00:56:07.687
and then in parentheses and everything

1199
00:56:07.791 --> 00:56:08.463
else.

1200
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:09.435
>> Will: Yep.

1201
00:56:11.335 --> 00:56:13.999
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will say

1202
00:56:14.047 --> 00:56:16.485
that, yeah. This week's episode, as far as with Hughie

1203
00:56:16.525 --> 00:56:19.157
and mom and dad and of course, mom. You know,

1204
00:56:19.181 --> 00:56:21.925
we think it was very clear that mom

1205
00:56:22.005 --> 00:56:24.945
really is there. It's not. Not a figment of Huey's imagination.

1206
00:56:26.625 --> 00:56:29.415
none of that was out there too, as far as theories. But

1207
00:56:29.945 --> 00:56:32.761
I. Yeah, I mean, that. That whole sequence this week

1208
00:56:32.793 --> 00:56:35.513
really worked. It really. It was hard for me to watch

1209
00:56:35.569 --> 00:56:38.473
for just personal reasons. I mean, just, you know, losing my dad

1210
00:56:38.529 --> 00:56:41.401
and that scene with. With Hughie and his, you know, that.

1211
00:56:41.433 --> 00:56:44.123
That last moment, You know, it You

1212
00:56:44.139 --> 00:56:47.027
know, it was very emotional moment for me just, you know,

1213
00:56:47.051 --> 00:56:49.827
just watching it. And I have to, you know, give

1214
00:56:49.851 --> 00:56:52.771
kudos to, you know, Jack Quaid and Simon Pegg for just

1215
00:56:52.803 --> 00:56:55.375
how. How honest that was.

1216
00:56:56.445 --> 00:56:58.465
>> Will: there with that. With that moment.

1217
00:56:59.005 --> 00:57:01.331
But But, yeah, but also just.

1218
00:57:01.523 --> 00:57:04.427
But he,

1219
00:57:04.451 --> 00:57:06.931
you know, we were wondering last week, like, you know, how.

1220
00:57:07.123 --> 00:57:09.963
How did. How did he have. He. How did

1221
00:57:10.059 --> 00:57:12.427
Huey senior get the

1222
00:57:12.611 --> 00:57:15.335
compound b and him anyway? And mom. Mom like

1223
00:57:16.795 --> 00:57:19.707
says, oh, yeah, you know, it fell out of your pocket, which still seems kind

1224
00:57:19.731 --> 00:57:20.985
of Susan.

1225
00:57:22.985 --> 00:57:24.205
>> Sarah : I bought that.

1226
00:57:26.785 --> 00:57:29.723
>> Will: But But like you said, like everything else, I agree with what, you

1227
00:57:29.739 --> 00:57:31.775
know, what you said as far as

1228
00:57:32.635 --> 00:57:35.211
it did have that, you know, with finding

1229
00:57:35.243 --> 00:57:38.003
out why did the DNR

1230
00:57:38.139 --> 00:57:41.115
to the mom and everything.

1231
00:57:41.195 --> 00:57:43.495
Everything else about. About that scene

1232
00:57:44.715 --> 00:57:47.545
closing out this part of the story,

1233
00:57:48.205 --> 00:57:50.825
at least with Huey,

1234
00:57:52.045 --> 00:57:54.797
it really, even though for, as we were building up

1235
00:57:54.821 --> 00:57:57.301
towards it, it was sort of like, okay, it was kind of like an

1236
00:57:57.333 --> 00:58:00.189
afterthought in some respects through the show, but

1237
00:58:00.317 --> 00:58:02.385
it. But now.

1238
00:58:03.165 --> 00:58:06.093
Now that we have a conclusion, it actually, I was like, you know

1239
00:58:06.109 --> 00:58:09.037
what? This storyline actually did have some depth to it

1240
00:58:09.061 --> 00:58:11.681
that, we got on his payoff this

1241
00:58:11.713 --> 00:58:12.285
week.

1242
00:58:12.985 --> 00:58:15.769
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad we stuck

1243
00:58:15.817 --> 00:58:17.755
with it. I'm

1244
00:58:18.095 --> 00:58:21.087
curious about how

1245
00:58:21.191 --> 00:58:23.555
Huey will function,

1246
00:58:24.261 --> 00:58:26.917
with the other members of the boy is moving

1247
00:58:26.981 --> 00:58:29.665
forward and if this will change something

1248
00:58:30.045 --> 00:58:32.701
and his attitude, especially towards Butch,

1249
00:58:32.773 --> 00:58:35.539
considering Butch half as his birthday,

1250
00:58:35.617 --> 00:58:37.903
is a, ah, black tumor or

1251
00:58:37.959 --> 00:58:40.895
whatever. So. So. So,

1252
00:58:40.975 --> 00:58:43.843
yeah. So we have those two storylines playing

1253
00:58:43.907 --> 00:58:46.595
out, and then we're jumping back and forth

1254
00:58:46.683 --> 00:58:48.643
to V

1255
00:58:48.707 --> 00:58:49.791
52.

1256
00:58:52.131 --> 00:58:54.691
Oh my God, it was so

1257
00:58:54.771 --> 00:58:55.391
great.

1258
00:58:55.771 --> 00:58:56.551
>> Will: Yeah.

1259
00:58:56.571 --> 00:58:57.401
>> Sarah : so good.

1260
00:58:57.561 --> 00:59:00.369
>> Will: So, so good. Yeah. I mean, this episode, I think, was. I think it's the

1261
00:59:00.385 --> 00:59:03.001
been. Was the longest episode of the season and,

1262
00:59:03.161 --> 00:59:05.897
and part of it was the whole V 52

1263
00:59:06.049 --> 00:59:08.985
comic Con Marvel d

1264
00:59:09.033 --> 00:59:10.361
23 send up.

1265
00:59:10.521 --> 00:59:13.161
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. They had to announce

1266
00:59:13.241 --> 00:59:16.129
phases seven through 19 and

1267
00:59:16.265 --> 00:59:19.033
new vision, a new division vought

1268
00:59:19.097 --> 00:59:19.849
faith.

1269
00:59:20.025 --> 00:59:20.821
>> Will: Yep.

1270
00:59:23.601 --> 00:59:24.541
>> Sarah : I just

1271
00:59:26.521 --> 00:59:29.219
think this is why the

1272
00:59:29.275 --> 00:59:32.219
soup storylines are so much more

1273
00:59:32.275 --> 00:59:35.267
funny that are so much more like, you

1274
00:59:35.299 --> 00:59:38.163
gravitate them to them more than what's going on

1275
00:59:38.187 --> 00:59:40.979
with the boy because they

1276
00:59:41.035 --> 00:59:41.667
black at it.

1277
00:59:41.699 --> 00:59:43.961
>> Will: The performative, like, diversity. I'm like,

1278
00:59:44.821 --> 00:59:47.365
the writing there and the branding.

1279
00:59:47.453 --> 00:59:50.413
Yeah, that was like, yeah, I know. We talked

1280
00:59:50.437 --> 00:59:53.219
about it last week with like, the, whole,

1281
00:59:53.275 --> 00:59:56.251
like, yeah, you're one of the good ones. And then this one with the

1282
00:59:56.275 --> 00:59:59.147
performative diversity and all that kind of stuff.

1283
00:59:59.323 --> 01:00:00.879
These guys are still on point.

1284
01:00:01.379 --> 01:00:04.363
>> Sarah : Yep, yep, yep. There was a

1285
01:00:04.411 --> 01:00:07.359
line. I just, I just

1286
01:00:07.399 --> 01:00:10.287
can't, I can't find it. But, yeah, I had

1287
01:00:10.383 --> 01:00:12.899
the same thought. I'm just like, oh, this is

1288
01:00:14.479 --> 01:00:16.367
the writers inserting

1289
01:00:16.423 --> 01:00:17.739
microaggressions.

1290
01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:22.599
>> Will: Yes, I correct that. Well,

1291
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:24.419
I laughed out loud when I heard that.

1292
01:00:25.009 --> 01:00:27.737
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. And then, and then

1293
01:00:27.793 --> 01:00:30.689
also I thought it was

1294
01:00:30.729 --> 01:00:33.575
interesting that, that we, we have

1295
01:00:33.607 --> 01:00:36.255
Firecracker, who previous

1296
01:00:36.407 --> 01:00:38.887
week, her and

1297
01:00:38.983 --> 01:00:41.855
Sage were getting along and now even

1298
01:00:41.887 --> 01:00:44.663
though Firecracker is perfectly fine.

1299
01:00:44.831 --> 01:00:47.415
Yeah, a little embarrassment, but she's still on

1300
01:00:47.447 --> 01:00:50.137
top, so what matter

1301
01:00:50.233 --> 01:00:53.017
now? She apparently has it out for

1302
01:00:53.113 --> 01:00:55.951
sister Sage. so. Or

1303
01:00:56.055 --> 01:00:59.031
it just is like, not as friendly. I don't know

1304
01:00:59.055 --> 01:01:01.985
if there's anything. I guess

1305
01:01:02.137 --> 01:01:04.801
the more it goes on, the more I'm like, okay,

1306
01:01:04.945 --> 01:01:07.633
what's the real end plan, game plan

1307
01:01:07.721 --> 01:01:10.681
for firecracker here? Because I

1308
01:01:10.705 --> 01:01:12.873
don't necessarily know if there's any

1309
01:01:12.921 --> 01:01:15.219
redemption, but, but they're

1310
01:01:15.259 --> 01:01:17.795
clearly using her for

1311
01:01:17.867 --> 01:01:20.435
something and it's not just about

1312
01:01:20.507 --> 01:01:21.879
Annie. So,

1313
01:01:22.799 --> 01:01:25.655
yeah, there's a reason also why she's

1314
01:01:25.687 --> 01:01:28.471
on the seven. Although arguably in this day and

1315
01:01:28.495 --> 01:01:31.409
age, you really don't know why anybody is on, the

1316
01:01:31.449 --> 01:01:33.749
seven, including a train. Who

1317
01:01:34.209 --> 01:01:36.705
amongst, in the background of all of

1318
01:01:36.737 --> 01:01:39.599
this, continues to be sussed

1319
01:01:39.759 --> 01:01:41.903
out by stage.

1320
01:01:42.071 --> 01:01:43.699
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, she knows.

1321
01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:47.579
>> Sarah : There's no way. She does not know.

1322
01:01:48.439 --> 01:01:51.359
I'm sorry, a train, you're a good guy at this point,

1323
01:01:51.439 --> 01:01:53.079
but not that bright.

1324
01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:54.059
>> Will: Nope.

1325
01:01:54.799 --> 01:01:57.695
>> Sarah : She knows. She just doesn't know how to use it to

1326
01:01:57.727 --> 01:02:00.339
her advantage. And, and

1327
01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:03.455
a train does do and makes an

1328
01:02:03.487 --> 01:02:06.453
interesting move. Bye. Proposing an alliance

1329
01:02:06.501 --> 01:02:09.397
with Ashley. And just when you forget about all

1330
01:02:09.413 --> 01:02:12.245
of that, it turns out that in the end,

1331
01:02:12.397 --> 01:02:15.089
Ashley comes through and,

1332
01:02:15.389 --> 01:02:18.079
manages to offer up our

1333
01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:20.863
lovely friend from also Gen v.

1334
01:02:20.991 --> 01:02:21.855
That was a technique.

1335
01:02:21.887 --> 01:02:24.861
>> Will: That was the other guy, Cameron. tech knight did show up

1336
01:02:24.885 --> 01:02:26.659
in this, in this episode, though.

1337
01:02:26.609 --> 01:02:29.063
>> Sarah : Okay, they look, they look the same to me.

1338
01:02:29.251 --> 01:02:29.639
>> Will: Yeah.

1339
01:02:29.679 --> 01:02:29.807
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1340
01:02:29.823 --> 01:02:32.637
>> Will: It wasn't tech knight. It was the other guy, the, the newsreader,

1341
01:02:32.773 --> 01:02:35.659
Cameron, he was the, he was the

1342
01:02:35.699 --> 01:02:38.443
one he, you know, Ash, because he broke. So what, because

1343
01:02:38.491 --> 01:02:41.347
Ashley, what, what pissed her off was, you

1344
01:02:41.363 --> 01:02:44.091
know, he was her dog, he was her submissive.

1345
01:02:44.195 --> 01:02:44.435
Yeah.

1346
01:02:44.467 --> 01:02:47.467
>> Sarah : And he broke up with them. Confused. Then, then,

1347
01:02:47.523 --> 01:02:50.259
yeah, the other guy, I

1348
01:02:50.339 --> 01:02:53.251
was hoping it was more technique, but they,

1349
01:02:53.435 --> 01:02:56.291
exactly the same for me. And at 1.1 of

1350
01:02:56.315 --> 01:02:59.139
the movies was being. Yeah.

1351
01:02:59.219 --> 01:02:59.763
Anyway.

1352
01:02:59.891 --> 01:03:02.683
>> Will: Yeah, but, but this, yeah, but tech man also has. Yeah,

1353
01:03:02.731 --> 01:03:05.579
yeah, he has some weird fetish thing going too in Gen

1354
01:03:05.619 --> 01:03:08.355
v. I can't remember what it was. Yeah, but, but,

1355
01:03:08.857 --> 01:03:11.561
yeah, because they, yeah, they, they do have the scene,

1356
01:03:11.649 --> 01:03:14.361
scene there at the end. And I was, I was listening to some more talk

1357
01:03:14.409 --> 01:03:16.879
about whether or not, they did

1358
01:03:17.063 --> 01:03:20.031
the supes kill Cameron, or I

1359
01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:22.727
think it's his name. I can't remember. He's, I just remember he's like the Sean

1360
01:03:22.767 --> 01:03:25.327
Hannity or, you know, Jesse

1361
01:03:25.367 --> 01:03:27.707
Waters type Fox news reader,

1362
01:03:28.367 --> 01:03:30.935
if they kill them or not. Because usually

1363
01:03:30.991 --> 01:03:33.507
whenever there's a kill, they like,

1364
01:03:33.807 --> 01:03:36.807
show it as far as, like the, like, like whenever

1365
01:03:36.847 --> 01:03:39.645
they beat the kid, the, three

1366
01:03:39.701 --> 01:03:42.357
homelanders with the baseball

1367
01:03:42.397 --> 01:03:45.301
bats. Right, but they, yeah, but I mean,

1368
01:03:45.429 --> 01:03:48.341
but I just wonder if they're just like trotting back out

1369
01:03:48.389 --> 01:03:51.317
after correcting him so that he, you know, that,

1370
01:03:51.267 --> 01:03:54.261
or if he's dead. I mean, he's an income at the

1371
01:03:54.269 --> 01:03:57.235
end of the day. It's, you know, it's not a big plot point. It was just

1372
01:03:57.331 --> 01:04:00.299
something, it was just interesting how they just kind

1373
01:04:00.323 --> 01:04:03.115
of cut to the end. They didn't show the

1374
01:04:03.131 --> 01:04:05.867
remnants of him if the supes did beat him up

1375
01:04:05.947 --> 01:04:06.927
or kill him.

1376
01:04:07.667 --> 01:04:10.659
>> Sarah : Right, right. And then at

1377
01:04:10.683 --> 01:04:13.327
the same time you have the deep,

1378
01:04:13.707 --> 01:04:16.701
who, is in a, sparring match with

1379
01:04:16.789 --> 01:04:19.327
Cameron because Cameron announces,

1380
01:04:19.989 --> 01:04:22.205
basically that he lost

1381
01:04:22.381 --> 01:04:24.727
overseeing, crime analytics

1382
01:04:28.947 --> 01:04:31.387
wild card for them to have in their back.

1383
01:04:31.547 --> 01:04:34.315
Like they've managed over the course of the

1384
01:04:34.331 --> 01:04:36.607
four seasons to just

1385
01:04:37.867 --> 01:04:40.835
make some very creative choices with, how are you going to

1386
01:04:40.851 --> 01:04:43.411
use the deep in this episode? How will he,

1387
01:04:43.539 --> 01:04:46.367
like, like, will he be, ah.

1388
01:04:46.827 --> 01:04:49.819
Like he. Yeah, yeah, I

1389
01:04:49.843 --> 01:04:51.487
just, I just love him.

1390
01:04:52.437 --> 01:04:55.397
>> Will: yeah, they're back and forth on the stage as far, like, you know,

1391
01:04:55.437 --> 01:04:57.377
as far as not only the, the

1392
01:04:58.117 --> 01:05:00.781
crime analytics, but also exposed in the deep

1393
01:05:00.829 --> 01:05:03.717
and his octopus relationship

1394
01:05:03.797 --> 01:05:06.765
and then, you know, big deep, like, I'm a fuck your wife and all the,

1395
01:05:06.781 --> 01:05:09.375
the back and forth with that, that was just. You're right. I mean,

1396
01:05:09.471 --> 01:05:12.375
he's, he's such a utility player as far

1397
01:05:12.391 --> 01:05:15.311
as how they could fit him in to like, make a story

1398
01:05:15.399 --> 01:05:16.027
work.

1399
01:05:16.767 --> 01:05:17.711
>> Sarah : Right, right.

1400
01:05:17.759 --> 01:05:19.547
>> Will: For whatever purpose they need it for.

1401
01:05:21.887 --> 01:05:24.623
>> Sarah : And, Homelander is back from his

1402
01:05:24.655 --> 01:05:27.575
trip from home and seems to

1403
01:05:27.591 --> 01:05:30.135
have a new perspective on, at least

1404
01:05:30.191 --> 01:05:33.103
fatherhood. And we see some good

1405
01:05:33.215 --> 01:05:36.187
homelander and Ryan bonding,

1406
01:05:37.487 --> 01:05:40.167
which is amazing, because

1407
01:05:41.267 --> 01:05:44.155
he sees that Ryan doesn't want to do.

1408
01:05:44.331 --> 01:05:46.683
What is it? Super school, right?

1409
01:05:46.755 --> 01:05:48.907
>> Will: Yeah, super school, yeah.

1410
01:05:49.797 --> 01:05:52.517
>> Sarah : at power school or something like that.

1411
01:05:52.557 --> 01:05:55.285
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he clearly

1412
01:05:55.381 --> 01:05:58.037
also doesn't want to do it because he hates

1413
01:05:58.117 --> 01:06:01.045
the. The director, who we Scene throughout the

1414
01:06:01.101 --> 01:06:03.877
years, director Adam. And,

1415
01:06:03.827 --> 01:06:05.767
then he also witnesses,

1416
01:06:06.557 --> 01:06:09.453
how much of a sleaze bag this guy is,

1417
01:06:09.525 --> 01:06:12.245
as his pa is clearly being

1418
01:06:12.301 --> 01:06:14.977
tormented and sexually harassed by him.

1419
01:06:15.607 --> 01:06:17.467
but just inevitably,

1420
01:06:19.367 --> 01:06:22.175
the best intentions, homelander still

1421
01:06:22.231 --> 01:06:24.967
just manages to push it

1422
01:06:25.427 --> 01:06:26.811
to the extreme.

1423
01:06:26.979 --> 01:06:28.567
>> Will: Yep, just a bit far.

1424
01:06:29.107 --> 01:06:32.027
>> Sarah : Just a bit far. And Ryan

1425
01:06:32.107 --> 01:06:34.923
basically has the pa kick the

1426
01:06:34.955 --> 01:06:37.767
shit out of the director. And,

1427
01:06:39.007 --> 01:06:40.599
hashtag me, too.

1428
01:06:40.783 --> 01:06:41.547
>> Will: Yeah.

1429
01:06:43.647 --> 01:06:46.375
>> Sarah : I kind of wish they would have said something like

1430
01:06:46.431 --> 01:06:47.027
that.

1431
01:06:49.006 --> 01:06:50.946
>> Will: Yeah. That was the only thing I was missing.

1432
01:06:52.006 --> 01:06:54.506
>> Sarah : Yeah. Now that I think about it. But,

1433
01:06:54.926 --> 01:06:57.026
I mean, I'm glad

1434
01:06:57.486 --> 01:06:59.758
that they

1435
01:06:59.822 --> 01:07:02.486
didn't. It was

1436
01:07:02.526 --> 01:07:05.102
clear that his trip down memory

1437
01:07:05.174 --> 01:07:08.106
lane had an effect on him.

1438
01:07:08.207 --> 01:07:10.838
M. And it makes sense why

1439
01:07:10.942 --> 01:07:13.386
he approached Ryan

1440
01:07:13.726 --> 01:07:16.542
or how he treated Ryan

1441
01:07:16.694 --> 01:07:19.422
in these moments, in this episode. So

1442
01:07:19.494 --> 01:07:22.302
I'm glad. Like, it. It didn't take us

1443
01:07:22.414 --> 01:07:24.226
another episode to get here.

1444
01:07:25.086 --> 01:07:27.454
They came while it was still fresh. It makes

1445
01:07:27.510 --> 01:07:30.478
sense what Homelander was doing now. Will

1446
01:07:30.502 --> 01:07:32.146
it last? God, no.

1447
01:07:33.366 --> 01:07:36.294
And will Homelander, like, his own

1448
01:07:36.350 --> 01:07:39.126
narcissistic tendencies, come

1449
01:07:39.166 --> 01:07:40.386
back? Absolutely.

1450
01:07:40.726 --> 01:07:43.686
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, it was. I have to say,

1451
01:07:43.766 --> 01:07:45.946
I. I was a little.

1452
01:07:46.886 --> 01:07:49.422
With the Ryan turn of,

1453
01:07:49.454 --> 01:07:52.422
like, you know,

1454
01:07:52.454 --> 01:07:55.420
using, you, know, ordering her to slap him and

1455
01:07:55.436 --> 01:07:58.236
beat the guy, beat up the director. You know, it.

1456
01:07:58.332 --> 01:08:01.196
It kind of caught me off guard in a sense that, you

1457
01:08:01.212 --> 01:08:03.928
know, Ryan was so,

1458
01:08:05.628 --> 01:08:08.278
you know, he. He was

1459
01:08:08.468 --> 01:08:11.163
very concerned about, like, using his.

1460
01:08:11.251 --> 01:08:14.155
His abilities to harm people, you know,

1461
01:08:14.187 --> 01:08:16.399
doing too much, whatever. Harm people and stuff.

1462
01:08:16.859 --> 01:08:19.399
It. I don't know, it just seemed. It just seemed like

1463
01:08:19.819 --> 01:08:21.719
such a 180 from, like,

1464
01:08:24.259 --> 01:08:27.251
with Ryan. For whatever reason, it just didn't land right. Yeah, it just didn't

1465
01:08:27.275 --> 01:08:30.179
land right with me as far as, like, him so

1466
01:08:30.219 --> 01:08:33.091
quickly going to, you know, doing

1467
01:08:33.115 --> 01:08:35.625
homelanders bidding this particular way.

1468
01:08:35.787 --> 01:08:38.653
>> Sarah : Well. Well, okay, that's.

1469
01:08:38.781 --> 01:08:41.283
That's, Let me think about that,

1470
01:08:41.331 --> 01:08:44.275
because I didn't take it that

1471
01:08:44.307 --> 01:08:47.235
way. I think it

1472
01:08:47.267 --> 01:08:49.759
wasn't even homelanders bidding.

1473
01:08:50.099 --> 01:08:51.067
>> Will: Manipulation.

1474
01:08:51.243 --> 01:08:54.195
>> Sarah : He doesn't. He doesn't care. I took it

1475
01:08:54.227 --> 01:08:56.439
more as Ryan,

1476
01:08:56.739 --> 01:08:59.079
who says he wants to help people,

1477
01:08:59.499 --> 01:09:02.475
and then and then Homelander kind of pointing

1478
01:09:02.507 --> 01:09:05.387
out, well, do you want to start now? Do you want to help her?

1479
01:09:05.443 --> 01:09:08.075
Because you're clearly uncomfortable with what you're

1480
01:09:08.107 --> 01:09:09.359
observing here.

1481
01:09:10.739 --> 01:09:13.659
and. And then, yeah, he

1482
01:09:13.699 --> 01:09:16.479
doesn't want to use his powers, but in that moment,

1483
01:09:17.499 --> 01:09:19.707
technically, he's not using his

1484
01:09:19.763 --> 01:09:22.619
powers. He's Scene a different

1485
01:09:22.699 --> 01:09:25.275
kind of power, a power that

1486
01:09:25.347 --> 01:09:27.979
arguably is even

1487
01:09:28.059 --> 01:09:30.321
more powerful. Like,

1488
01:09:30.515 --> 01:09:33.237
he's using the threat of,

1489
01:09:33.293 --> 01:09:36.045
like, if you don't do what I say now, he's

1490
01:09:36.077 --> 01:09:38.677
so young, he doesn't recognize that

1491
01:09:38.773 --> 01:09:41.621
Homelander does. Yeah, he knows exactly,

1492
01:09:41.685 --> 01:09:44.365
because, like, Homelander, this is how he's raised.

1493
01:09:44.477 --> 01:09:47.325
But. But Ryan is

1494
01:09:47.357 --> 01:09:50.141
just like, I don't want to do this. I

1495
01:09:50.165 --> 01:09:52.829
want. I want to help you find

1496
01:09:52.909 --> 01:09:55.405
the strength and give you the

1497
01:09:55.437 --> 01:09:58.069
ability to beat the shit out of someone

1498
01:09:58.149 --> 01:10:00.409
who's been sexually harassing you

1499
01:10:00.789 --> 01:10:03.469
now. So. So I didn't take it

1500
01:10:03.549 --> 01:10:06.055
as, I, don't think it was Ryan

1501
01:10:06.135 --> 01:10:08.791
viewing. Like, oh, I

1502
01:10:08.823 --> 01:10:11.551
accidentally threw this guy too hard,

1503
01:10:11.663 --> 01:10:14.103
and he's dead now. Yeah,

1504
01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:16.999
yeah, no, no, I'm healthy.

1505
01:10:17.087 --> 01:10:19.919
I'm telling someone, hey, you. You can.

1506
01:10:19.967 --> 01:10:22.745
It'll be perfectly fine if you just slap

1507
01:10:22.785 --> 01:10:25.297
this guy and maybe punch him

1508
01:10:25.401 --> 01:10:27.969
and, you know, maybe give him a concussion.

1509
01:10:28.057 --> 01:10:29.529
Just go for it.

1510
01:10:29.657 --> 01:10:32.513
>> Will: Go for it. Yeah, true, true. Yeah, yeah,

1511
01:10:32.609 --> 01:10:35.473
that makes sense. That makes sense. And also, I guess, the other thing I did like, what

1512
01:10:35.489 --> 01:10:38.201
I did like about it, though. And again,

1513
01:10:38.393 --> 01:10:41.281
yes, Homelanders lost. He has gained the perspective

1514
01:10:41.313 --> 01:10:44.025
on being a father, but. But also, he

1515
01:10:44.065 --> 01:10:46.977
is, you know, in typical homelander fashion, he's figured out

1516
01:10:47.001 --> 01:10:49.945
how to manipulate Ryan like, those scientists

1517
01:10:49.985 --> 01:10:51.125
manipulated him.

1518
01:10:52.465 --> 01:10:55.203
or he just figured out how to

1519
01:10:55.219 --> 01:10:56.495
manipulate Ryan because

1520
01:10:58.595 --> 01:11:00.747
try to win his affections and stuff.

1521
01:11:00.931 --> 01:11:03.175
>> Sarah : Right. Or in this situation,

1522
01:11:05.355 --> 01:11:08.027
the game that Homelander is playing with

1523
01:11:08.091 --> 01:11:10.819
Ryan isn't the long game,

1524
01:11:10.867 --> 01:11:13.677
though. And that's.

1525
01:11:13.741 --> 01:11:16.357
I'm not something that.

1526
01:11:16.461 --> 01:11:17.865
I don't know.

1527
01:11:19.285 --> 01:11:21.885
I feel like homelander's in it for instant

1528
01:11:21.925 --> 01:11:24.645
gratification but doesn't realize, like, yeah,

1529
01:11:24.765 --> 01:11:26.385
you were able to,

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like, cohorse a situation where

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you. You in your son's eye was

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a great fatherly advice.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : But I don't know, come next week,

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is that still going to happen? No.

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So, I mean, you're, not always going to have a

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sleazeball director walking around,

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clearly sexualizing someone,

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like, so. So I think the

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circumstances offered a good

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opportunity, but I don't. I don't think

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that that Homelander quite realizes

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how long he has to serve in

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that role. And the longer he

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does, the more he'll. He'll

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the restless he'll become because

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he's a narcissist.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. And, and,

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sometimes your kids just, they, they fall out of

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love with you, and then they fall back in. It's just. It's a

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lot.

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>> Will: It's a lot. Yep.

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>> Sarah : Yep.

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>> Will: For sure.

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>> Sarah : All right, well, that,

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that is it for us tonight. Will, why don't

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01:12:36.931 --> 01:12:39.163
you tell our listeners where they can find you?

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>> Will: Yes. before I do that, just wanted to give a

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quick thank you to our artist, Lindsey

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Lee. She, probably starts seeing some of our

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01:12:47.991 --> 01:12:50.927
banner as a mother, our logos and some other things get

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updated. So I just wanted to say thank you and

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keep and appreciate all the great work that she does for

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01:12:56.631 --> 01:12:59.543
us. you can find her on fantunes, some of her work

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there also, but, you can find me on

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X, formally known as Twitter, at will M. Polk

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willmmpolk.

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>> Sarah : And you can find me there, too, at Sj Belmont. S j b e

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01:13:19.293 --> 01:13:22.053
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