Dragons & Supes: House of the Dragon S2 E4 and The Boys S4 E6 Reviews!

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>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont. And

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with me, as always, is our mister producer, Will Polk. How are you doing

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tonight, will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How are you doing this evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm doing good. That's good.

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Now we're making our way through July.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Making our way through July. I have to

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say I'm enjoy. I'm eating well this July.

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Like, everybody, as far as our shows with, like, House of

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the Dragon and the boys I saw were like,

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this week's episode of House of the Dragon is like

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8.1 million people watched it and counting. It's like their best,

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like 24 hours period.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. And you also watched Beverly

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Hills Cop, Axel F.

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yeah. Ridiculously long title. I'm

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just gonna throw that out there.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. I think they were trying to distance themselves from Beverly

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Hills cop three because

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that was definitely the weakest movie in the franchise

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for sure. But, yeah, I did watch Axel. I'll

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just double say Axel F. And, because

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everybody who's a fan of that franchise will know who I'm talking

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about. But, yeah, dropped on Netflix over the 4

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July weekend, and I have to say I'm

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a big fan of the first two.

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And anytime they're on, you

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know, just like, just stop. Set aside,

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Tom. I'm gonna watch it. And I have to say that

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the new one, XLF, was

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a great blend of, and you've probably heard

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people talking about it, great blend of, like,

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nostalgia done well, you

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know, because many times with these, when you're

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rehashing old franchises like

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this and bringing in new things,

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you know, it can easily become, it could be

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a hit or it could be a colossal miss.

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And this, to me, was like a hit. But I, you know, from the

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moment this movie starts, it had the classic Glenn

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Frey Heat is on as he's driving down

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the streets of Detroit. And, and then,

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of course, we have a lot of the

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characters back from the original

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film in 84. And

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of course, you know, it follows the standard Beverly Hills

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cop tropes and story structure and

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everything. But I mean, Eddie was just like,

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you tell, he's very comfortable with this character

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and he knows how to play it. And the cool thing about it,

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too, is they didn't hide from the fact,

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that it's now 40 years since the

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original film. And

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a lot of times, for example, when I was

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watching Indiana Jones, that was trying

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to recapture lightning in a bottle with that

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old franchise, and it just didn't work

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here. They embraced Eddie.

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You know, the fact that he is older and

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they make the jokes work appropriately

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whenever, when Axel

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does his usual, like, things. But

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as far as, you know, being street smart cop, and they really,

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they really lean into that, and make it work

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for the story. So when things do happen, it's like,

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okay, it feels organic to the story. It's just not like we're just trying

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to, manufacture something here. So really,

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really, if you're, if you're a fan of Beverly Hills cop,

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I will cannot recommend it enough. You'll,

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you'll, you'll definitely enjoy it. And, yeah, it's definitely one.

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I'll definitely be checking out again. I definitely recaptured

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lightning in a bottle as I think I tweeted out, Friday

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night.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. and it's on

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Netflix, right?

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>> Will: Yeah, it's on Netflix.

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>> Sarah : Netflix. Netflix. the other

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thing that we both watched was, the trailer for

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Gladiator. two,

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not to be confused with one, the

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2001 classic silk throw.

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Yeah, I love that movie.

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>> Will: I love that movie.

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>> Sarah : Watch this trailer. this trailer

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did nothing for me.

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Absolutely nothing for me.

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>> Will: Ready for Denzel?

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>> Sarah : No, no. Actually, Denzel was part of the

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problem because I'm just like, dude, why are

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you here?

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What are you. Why did, how a.

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How did they bring you into this?

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And also, d. Why are you here? Like, I was

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very confused. I mean, it was a

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good trailer from the sense that I still don't really

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understand what's going on. I

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did recognize one face in the crowd,

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and I'm like, I know you from the original, what you

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doing? And I'm like, I still don't. I don't know

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much. And that's.

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I mean, for all intents and purposes,

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the trailer did nothing for me. But at the same time, I

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don't need it to do anything for me because

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I'm going to see fan and Will's

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reaction when they go see it in theaters and then tell me

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if I should, and then probably not and watch it

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when it comes out on streaming.

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>> Will: Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, I hear you, I hear you. I think for me,

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it was, I enjoyed Denzel and. But

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he. I felt like it was like, for me, it was like

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it took me out of it. Whenever he.

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Yeah, I think that's the. Yeah, I mean, the

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smile. He's electrifying and everything about

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it. Everything about. It's not him personally, it's

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just him doing Denzel. Things

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took me out of the trailer a

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bit, when it's supposed to be a period piece. And it's not

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because he's black either. I m mean. I mean, I'm sure. Yeah.

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I want to be very clear. I'm african american myself, so I want to be very

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clear. It wasn't that being an

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anachronism as far as, you know,

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having him there. it was just

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really just. Yeah, it was just more those

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signature million watt smile that he

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gives. But I did. I will say whenever Will Polk

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Mescal's character was like one of the roman

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army or whatever, he. And when he said too much, I did like that line.

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I will say that.

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>> Sarah : I see. I don't even remember that line.

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Yeah, I don't remember that

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line. But, but yeah,

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we will, we will see. I mean this, this

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movie I feel like has been in the makes for at

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least a decade plus. Maybe

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even longer than black Adam.

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Maybe.

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>> Will: Maybe.

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>> Sarah : So. So we'll, we'll see if it does at least

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better in the box office than with critics when it comes

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out.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, we'll see. We'll see. I know. Really Scott, I know

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he kind of had a mess with Napoleon so he definitely needs

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to get away here with Ridley.

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>> Sarah : Scott just always is hit or miss.

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Like he, he's one of those directors

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where everyone is a big fan

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when he delivers a hit. But you forget you're

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like go, go check out his IMDb. The

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man does not have the best average, let's

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just say that. So he's not a In my

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opinion, he's not. He's not like Nolan.

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Where even some of Nolan's like

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least favorable movies people

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still respect like they, like they're not

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complete disasters or it's like oh, but the

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cinematography and all this other stuff. And it's

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just that like he got in like

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there. Nolan has a better average

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than Ridley Scott. So it's

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Yeah. And I don't know, to

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me, especially if like Ridley's coming

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off of a bad swing to come out

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with a sequel to a movie decades

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old, you're like hm.

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I don't know.

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But then again, the actors

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who are partaking in

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this makes, makes the viewer

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interested of being like Well, how did you get

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them? Besides money.

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>> Will: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. One of the

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things like Pedro. You know. Of course there is the thing Pedro Pascal's

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and everything these days, but I mean, Connie Nilsen is also back from I

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guess from the original one. And

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Yeah, so it comes out November

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22. And you know, I'll probably go check it out

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one of the few films that this. From this year that actually

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do where I do want to go check it out in the theater.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. the other thing that we both

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watched over the long holiday weekend is the

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bear, season three. I don't want to get too

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in depth into it. I still. I've not

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had enough time with the season at all.

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I have rewatched three episodes

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yesterday. I'm

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still. But m. Nothing is

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changing my original sentiment to you

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where, no, it did not hit me nearly as

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hard as season two. And I

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kind of anticipated that going into

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it. I don't have a favorite

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episode. And I think

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overall this

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season, just

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arguably, it didn't go anywhere.

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It stayed very consistent

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almost to the point of annoyance.

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What are we doing here? Where are we going?

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Like, really? And, then it

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just gets annoying because it's, because

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of how they end it, so to speak. So,

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But. But you had some

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arguably different thoughts.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. I mean, we

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had. We were annoyed about certain

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things. we differed on what annoyed us. I know. For

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me, I think it was the facts, and they're a little. In their little

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bit, I felt went way too long

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throughout the season. But, Yeah,

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I'm, like you, though, where I still.

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I still have to. I gotta watch. Watch it

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again to really, like, solidify

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my feeling about this season. You know,

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I did share with you that I thought the episode with

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Tina was one that stood out for me.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: You know, if I had one that,

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did, like. As far as on a positive

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respect, I felt like doors. I think I also

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shared with you. I felt doors left me feeling, like how I did with

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fishes, where I needed to, like. I

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needed to, like, watch it in, like, segments because it was just

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so, like, so much. And I guess

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the intensity of it. and then

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I think the episode where Sugar finally does have her

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baby, that one did. That's probably

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my least favorite one of the season.

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>> Sarah : Oh, I see. It's so

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interesting because that one

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took me by surprise, and

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I was more captivated than I thought I would have

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been in that whole episode.

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and, yeah, Tina stands out, but

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it's also like.

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And I started re watching

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doors last night. I don't get it.

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I still have yet to be, like.

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See, I get it from the sense

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that, fishes. The intensity,

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the play, like, it was. They took the

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intensity of the kitchen, but made it in.

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Christmas, dinner.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Which. Which, like, has its own drama.

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And they. They blended that so

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beautifully. But with doors, you just

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get the intensity of the kitchen.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : and so. And so to me, I was just like,

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wait, wait. Are we going back to season one

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like. Like this? I don't

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know why I. And

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arguably, I watched an interview with

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the actor who plays the uncle. I forget his

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name. And it was actually

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just like a ten minute clip of it. And he

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was talking about fishes,

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and he said that that wasn't his

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favorite episode. He agreed with us. Fort

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is his favorite episode of season two.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : And he said. He explained why. And I

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could. I was like, thank you. That is

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art articulates everything I feel

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about forks and why it's such an exceptional episode

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of television. It's because

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within that span of 40 minutes,

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you actually see a character change

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and, then change significantly enough that you

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spot the differences within the next few

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episodes. Like, there was an

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actual arc in development. And my

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problem with season three of the bear

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is, arguably,

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none of the characters actually change

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from where they start at the beginning of the season

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to where they end.

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And it just. And it feels

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like they just put us in that

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kitchen and turned on the heat.

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But nobody escaped.

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Nobody turned it down. Like, it was

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just same. And I'm like, okay,

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I think artistically, they made

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some lot of really interesting choices. I

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mean, arguably, the first episode is just

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montage.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : There's maybe five or,

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I don't know, ten lines in that entire

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thing. And you see different points of

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life and everything. and the

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writing. I'm glad I binged it because I could catch a

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lot of the connections with the

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dialogues and references,

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which I always enjoy, but I

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also. It's just.

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And I knew. I knew it would never be

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season two for me.

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>> Will: Season two? Yeah.

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Season two is truly one of those, like, top

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to top to bottom master class in

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television. for sure. So.

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So, yeah, it's. It's watching

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another season, so, so close to it.

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And, yeah, you know, maybe it's recency

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bias, but at the same time, I agree with you

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with the fact that there.

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There was some treading water

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with many of the characters this third season.

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>> Sarah : Mm Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And, But they're. They're

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shooting season four, and we're gonna watch season four and

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see what happens. And. And I will say this

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like, I'm not gonna. This is a major

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spoiler, but shout out to the casting

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people and shout out to making sure that guest

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stars don't get revealed.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : Because I thought, season two had them, and then next thing

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you know, season three happens and I'm like, hey,

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hey, hey.

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What?

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>> Will: Josh Hartnett.

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>> Sarah : I mean, screw Ridley Scott. People

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just want to be on the bear.

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man, people want to be on the bear. And people

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definitely want to be a part of Game of Thrones

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and specifically House of Dragon. As

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we head into season two, episode four, the

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Red Dragon and the Cold. I am

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Db. I am. I

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am so pissed off because like, you

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told me last week, I saw it on

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IMDb. Episode four was called the Dance

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of the Dragons. And unfortunately

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I know what that meant. So.

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And then to my surprise the other night when I put on the

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episode, I'm like, what is this title?

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I mean, arguably it's tomato,

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tomato. And I'm like, why?

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Why? So just screw

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you. IMDb. Screw you.

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>> Will: Well, everybody was like putting it out there, Dance of the dragons, you

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know? So I think it just became like the unofficial title.

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But so HBO was

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like, okay, we're going to, we're going to put the official title on here, the Red

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Dragon and Golden.

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>> Sarah : But isn't that actually like what the event

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is called in the books or what the book itself?

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book reference there.

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yeah, and if people let us know.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, let us know if you read the book because I've

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always. The references to the book was always dance of the

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dragon, but.

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>> Will: Dance of a dragon or, you know, or some variation of

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that.

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>> Sarah : Well, this, start off

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tonight by talking about Damon, because

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during this dance, he seems to be,

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off in his own dreamlike

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world where we again

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see young Rhaenyra,

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speaking all high

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Valyrian and, she gets her

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head cut off. She gets her head cut

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off. and. And it's

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just I did watch the behind the

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scenes making of this episode and they did point out

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how the scene, this sequence

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itself, where she's, sitting on the throne at

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dragonstone is supposed to

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parallel a scene in

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season one where he's on the throne

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and she's coming to meet him, which was

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cool. Now, did I remember that? No,

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I remember that scene.

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>> Will: I do remember that scene. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I don't. I. For some reason I didn't. I don't.

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There are other Damon and, Rhaenyra scenes

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that I remember from season one for some reason that did not

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stick out. But I did. I

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did find it very interesting that, we

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got so much of these targaryens

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speaking high Valyrian.

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And, I found that to be very interesting.

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because we get it in this, and then we get it over on

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teen green in a later scene.

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shout out to the editors because I love the

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transition between the dream and when

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Damon's in the waking world because

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there's been a dragon, and then snap.

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It was just so well

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edited every time they did one of those

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transitions.

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>> Will: Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah, I know, you

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know, getting just quickly back to Damon and whenever he

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had the vision of young Rhaenyra, but of course, she still. But she's

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also in the, old

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Rhaenyra's clothing, if I recall. And,

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the high Valyrian is, if you go to Westerosis, there's actually a

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whole translation. As far as, what she

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says to him. I'll just read a little bit of

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it. it's been said that targaryens are closer to gods

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than to mention. In my eyes, you were God, daemon

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Targaryen, the prince of the city, the lord of flea bottom. I

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was innocent. You exploited me and abandoned me, you soul.

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Like my name at court. You empowered my rivals.

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You tried to make my ruin

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and continues to go on. But it

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really. When you read the translation

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of what she was saying to him, it does. When

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I think of Damon at Harrenhal, I was thinking of constant

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haunting.

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>> Sarah : Mm. Uh-huh.

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>> Will: And, you know, from the visions that he has at night, of course, he's

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not sleeping well. All the things,

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that are going.

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>> Sarah : On to stir the pot.

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>> Will: Yep. Exactly.

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Exactly. So, yeah, you

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know, those. I, liked the thing. What

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I like so much about this episode is,

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of course, we were all anticipating a big

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showdown we did get at the end, but I

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just really liked the way they just sort of set the tension.

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I mean, they were just building on the prior episodes

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and then really slowly building up the

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tension. Ah. As the episode progressed

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and really focusing on

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different. Different segments of Team

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Green, team black, Damon,

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and how,

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how all that just sort of came to a head,

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obviously, at the end.

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>> Sarah : Right, right. And I just want to make one

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point about Alice. is that she

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is a bastard. And

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I always raise an eyebrow when anyone in Game of

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Thrones says there is a bastard because those

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characters are often significant and

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of purpose. And so

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it's. And. And have their own

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stories. So we'll see if we. We explore

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more of Alice moving forward,

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especially as she seems to be the main contributor

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to Damon's haunting, as you put it.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whenever she was like, you

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know, with, like, the, you

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know, picking up on the fact that

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they were quarreling. you know, and of course, given, you know,

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Damon the. The, potion there to help him. Help him

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quote unquote sleep. But then, like you said, the transitions

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and, you know, he's like, literally, like, wake, you know, he's. He's.

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That edit was awesome because he, like, cuts to, like,

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sleep and then he's like, in the. In the chamber, you know,

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council room there with, you know, with the Blackwood and.

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And, you know, also talking with earlier an

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episode with Tully, but really with. With Blackwood. And

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like, It just really.

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Just. Just really set that scene very, very well. And

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then, of course, you know, later, whenever he's like, you know, has.

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It has the vision at night and. And sees

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a person walking and. And, you know, he starts to follow it and

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it looks like, you know, like it's supposed to be a

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man, but then whenever the person turns around, you know,

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it's in fact Damon. And goes to your point about

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Alice Rivers, and, you know, whenever she

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says, you're going to die here. And, So a little bit

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of foreshadowing there.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. She said that in last

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week's episode, right?

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : But yeah, there's a lot of small councils in this

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episode because we see Daemon's

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attempt at a small council,

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and he ends up with just a small

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ally who doesn't even understand what's

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going on. And in a castle

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that is just nothing, but it's surprise

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possession. So the, writers did a nice job

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of really making it clear how

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everyone's circling Harrenhal as if it's

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this crown jewel, which it is to an

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extent, but, like, damon is

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there, and he doesn't really have an army. He

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doesn't really have, like, there's hardly anyone in

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this. In this castle, and it's

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basically in ruins. So it's.

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It's very, The irony is not lost on

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me. while he has that small

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council meeting, we also see team

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Black's council meeting with

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renara, who's apparently, it takes her longer to

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get back from King's Landing than to

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kings Landing. She was gone

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for a good portion of this episode. No

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one knew where she went.

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Renee knew where she went.

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and the one thing I want to say about the

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rhaenyra small council is it's all

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men, arguably, and,

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like, the moment when they're all arguing,

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and then renees is just standing there and tries to

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give reason, and then she gets, quote unquote shut

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down, basically only for Coralis

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to come in and put the

514
00:23:44.258 --> 00:23:46.906
members in their place, and then Renee can

515
00:23:46.962 --> 00:23:49.834
speak. Like, I found that to

516
00:23:49.866 --> 00:23:52.642
be a very smart move to just

517
00:23:52.730 --> 00:23:55.418
point out that she's the queen

518
00:23:55.538 --> 00:23:58.398
that never was. And.

519
00:23:59.108 --> 00:24:01.516
And, yes, she's the Targaryen. She has a

520
00:24:01.572 --> 00:24:04.572
dragon. She's. They call her princess.

521
00:24:04.660 --> 00:24:07.036
But at the end of the day, she's

522
00:24:07.092 --> 00:24:09.368
not Rhaenyra.

523
00:24:09.948 --> 00:24:12.572
And therefore, they can dismiss her

524
00:24:12.660 --> 00:24:15.092
so easily. And yet it takes her

525
00:24:15.140 --> 00:24:18.108
husband, the seamaster, to come

526
00:24:18.148 --> 00:24:20.876
in to actually say, no. You

527
00:24:20.972 --> 00:24:23.488
will listen to my wife. Yeah,

528
00:24:24.188 --> 00:24:26.648
you will. this is

529
00:24:26.688 --> 00:24:27.388
stupid.

530
00:24:30.208 --> 00:24:32.988
Granted, they're. They, like,

531
00:24:33.488 --> 00:24:36.428
in a weird way, nobody's wrong,

532
00:24:36.968 --> 00:24:39.600
because they. Are. They wrong for saying,

533
00:24:39.704 --> 00:24:42.704
we actually have to, like, take action here. Not.

534
00:24:42.776 --> 00:24:45.764
No, because team green, they

535
00:24:45.796 --> 00:24:48.708
are taking action. Like it or not, they are actually

536
00:24:48.828 --> 00:24:51.620
progressing. You have to figure out a

537
00:24:51.644 --> 00:24:54.538
way how to stop that. You can't just

538
00:24:54.618 --> 00:24:56.398
go off to King's Landing.

539
00:24:56.978 --> 00:24:57.618
>> Will: Yeah.

540
00:24:57.738 --> 00:24:58.958
>> Sarah : Apologize.

541
00:24:59.898 --> 00:25:02.546
>> Will: Yeah, can't get off the king's Landing. You know, they're

542
00:25:02.602 --> 00:25:05.066
building, you know, and. And, you know,

543
00:25:05.202 --> 00:25:07.278
again, the

544
00:25:07.818 --> 00:25:10.672
actions that Damon took, you know, are

545
00:25:10.704 --> 00:25:13.416
coming to pass because Renera was like, look, you know,

546
00:25:13.456 --> 00:25:16.254
you. By, you killing Jaehaerys,

547
00:25:16.382 --> 00:25:19.350
you're going to turn these houses against me. And, you know, and we're in these. In

548
00:25:19.390 --> 00:25:22.374
these chamber discussions, you know, they talk about

549
00:25:22.502 --> 00:25:25.214
how quickly some of the other

550
00:25:25.302 --> 00:25:27.814
bannermen's flags churned

551
00:25:27.942 --> 00:25:30.926
because of his actions. So. Yeah, so you're

552
00:25:30.958 --> 00:25:33.622
right. So they are just sort of

553
00:25:33.766 --> 00:25:36.594
sitting there, and it, does, again,

554
00:25:36.658 --> 00:25:39.186
point out the sexism in this

555
00:25:39.234 --> 00:25:42.058
world of Westeros

556
00:25:42.130 --> 00:25:44.422
when, like you said, corlys comes in and

557
00:25:45.162 --> 00:25:47.900
basically, like, you know, listen to. Listen to the de

558
00:25:47.916 --> 00:25:50.644
facto hand here of

559
00:25:50.668 --> 00:25:53.020
renees and. And all, but,

560
00:25:53.714 --> 00:25:56.610
yeah, I thought that was. And even, you know, and

561
00:25:56.658 --> 00:25:59.546
I guess. And then there's Jason and Bayla, but

562
00:25:59.586 --> 00:26:02.314
they're both young, so they're not going to listen to them either. So it

563
00:26:02.330 --> 00:26:04.674
was. It was all these

564
00:26:04.810 --> 00:26:07.442
guys providing good counsel,

565
00:26:07.514 --> 00:26:10.194
but. But doing so in a man splainy,

566
00:26:10.320 --> 00:26:12.896
condescending kind of way, which, you know, which, you know,

567
00:26:12.928 --> 00:26:15.718
which undercuts the overall

568
00:26:15.774 --> 00:26:18.320
effort, as Sir

569
00:26:18.360 --> 00:26:20.260
Christian and the greens.

570
00:26:21.040 --> 00:26:23.220
Say what you will about Cole. I mean,

571
00:26:24.360 --> 00:26:26.976
he shows himself this episode to be actually a pretty decent

572
00:26:27.008 --> 00:26:27.704
tactician.

573
00:26:27.832 --> 00:26:30.060
>> Sarah : Right, right. Yeah.

574
00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:34.112
I'm curious to know how the council, or

575
00:26:34.176 --> 00:26:36.888
black council feels about Jace,

576
00:26:36.984 --> 00:26:39.080
because he technically is a bastard.

577
00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:40.420
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

578
00:26:41.990 --> 00:26:44.718
>> Sarah : they call it prince, but they also call

579
00:26:44.774 --> 00:26:46.774
Renee's princess. So.

580
00:26:46.942 --> 00:26:47.878
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

581
00:26:47.934 --> 00:26:50.806
>> Sarah : Like, you can have a title all you want, but if you have

582
00:26:50.838 --> 00:26:53.686
no power. It means nothing. Granted, the

583
00:26:53.718 --> 00:26:56.662
dragon. So, yeah, yeah, there. There

584
00:26:56.726 --> 00:26:57.610
is that.

585
00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:00.586
>> Sarah : And they do have dragons, and

586
00:27:00.658 --> 00:27:03.122
unfortunately, they have the smaller dragons.

587
00:27:03.226 --> 00:27:05.810
And Rhaenys, is the

588
00:27:05.850 --> 00:27:08.826
one who. When Renara

589
00:27:08.858 --> 00:27:11.762
finally shows up and gets filled in on

590
00:27:11.786 --> 00:27:14.738
what's happening, it's pretty much,

591
00:27:14.794 --> 00:27:17.506
no, we. We have to send a dragon

592
00:27:17.698 --> 00:27:20.666
stone, and our bricks end. And

593
00:27:20.738 --> 00:27:23.370
that is when Jace wants to go.

594
00:27:23.490 --> 00:27:26.370
She get. He gets shot down. Down. Renara

595
00:27:26.410 --> 00:27:28.986
wants to go, like, no, no,

596
00:27:29.018 --> 00:27:31.786
no. And then it's

597
00:27:31.818 --> 00:27:34.344
just Renees. And she. She.

598
00:27:34.432 --> 00:27:37.360
She kind of has made peace with that

599
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:40.400
decision, and. And doesn't even wait to hear

600
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:42.936
ya go. She just says, no, I'm

601
00:27:42.968 --> 00:27:45.896
going, yep, yep, yep.

602
00:27:45.968 --> 00:27:48.480
I'm probably gonna die, but I'm going,

603
00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:51.560
yeah, yep. And. And

604
00:27:51.600 --> 00:27:54.376
so that's really what's going on with team black. It's

605
00:27:54.408 --> 00:27:57.152
just. And we're gonna get into

606
00:27:57.256 --> 00:27:59.970
the big event. But it's just,

607
00:28:00.090 --> 00:28:02.866
this episode was hard for me because I knew what was going to

608
00:28:02.898 --> 00:28:05.890
happen. But it also I'm

609
00:28:05.930 --> 00:28:08.146
finding to be kind of

610
00:28:08.218 --> 00:28:11.178
disheartened this season, where I'm just

611
00:28:11.234 --> 00:28:14.010
like, I'm on team black. I'm on

612
00:28:14.050 --> 00:28:17.002
team black. I'm pretty sure team black is

613
00:28:17.026 --> 00:28:19.946
losing. Like. Like, we're

614
00:28:19.978 --> 00:28:22.954
just not. I mean,

615
00:28:23.042 --> 00:28:24.470
we don't have vagar.

616
00:28:24.810 --> 00:28:25.432
>> Will: Yeah.

617
00:28:25.546 --> 00:28:28.518
>> Sarah : Don't have vagar. And, the,

618
00:28:28.468 --> 00:28:31.444
The people were on our side. The people are not on our

619
00:28:31.476 --> 00:28:34.108
side. The people are mixed. Like, it's

620
00:28:34.148 --> 00:28:36.128
just nothing.

621
00:28:37.228 --> 00:28:40.116
It feels just sad to go into

622
00:28:40.172 --> 00:28:43.100
these fights because you want to see a fight,

623
00:28:43.204 --> 00:28:45.740
but then you're just like. But they got

624
00:28:45.764 --> 00:28:46.568
Vega.

625
00:28:47.028 --> 00:28:49.884
>> Will: Yeah, they have her. Yeah,

626
00:28:49.916 --> 00:28:52.488
they have. They have. They have me and granny, and

627
00:28:52.908 --> 00:28:55.128
we don't. But.

628
00:28:55.518 --> 00:28:58.214
Yeah, but, you know, I think, as I was saying earlier, I think

629
00:28:58.246 --> 00:29:01.054
that, to me, that was. You're right. I was

630
00:29:01.086 --> 00:29:03.378
feeling that way, too, in that,

631
00:29:04.168 --> 00:29:06.720
But with disheartened,

632
00:29:06.824 --> 00:29:09.768
with. With the way they. War effort was going

633
00:29:09.808 --> 00:29:12.360
towards team black and. And to Al.

634
00:29:12.464 --> 00:29:15.184
To Renera's, you know,

635
00:29:15.216 --> 00:29:17.548
decision that she's like, okay, she

636
00:29:17.968 --> 00:29:20.740
legitimately tried every single

637
00:29:20.844 --> 00:29:23.700
course to keep it from going

638
00:29:23.804 --> 00:29:26.532
to having to use the dragons

639
00:29:26.580 --> 00:29:29.324
because, I mean, she knows the destructive power

640
00:29:29.476 --> 00:29:31.408
of. Of the dragons.

641
00:29:31.708 --> 00:29:34.636
And. And. And I think, you

642
00:29:34.652 --> 00:29:37.140
know, she still, you know, really gets into, like, the

643
00:29:37.164 --> 00:29:39.924
motivations between the two sides

644
00:29:39.996 --> 00:29:42.508
because, you know, at the end of it, Renera really wants to

645
00:29:42.548 --> 00:29:45.524
preserve her father's legacy. I mean, that was the big

646
00:29:45.556 --> 00:29:48.108
thing that viserys. He presided over.

647
00:29:48.148 --> 00:29:51.100
Peace. He did. You know, and if

648
00:29:51.124 --> 00:29:53.996
we use. Unleashed these dragons and because we've. You know,

649
00:29:54.052 --> 00:29:56.588
we've Scene evidence

650
00:29:56.708 --> 00:29:59.292
prior to the. The events

651
00:29:59.340 --> 00:30:02.092
of this episode, the destructive power of

652
00:30:02.140 --> 00:30:04.900
them. So she's. You know, they're. The

653
00:30:04.924 --> 00:30:07.844
Targaryens are fully aware, so she doesn't. You know. Yeah, so I may

654
00:30:07.876 --> 00:30:10.868
win the battle, but then I'll be ruined. I'll be presiding over

655
00:30:10.908 --> 00:30:13.372
a ruined land because we dropped the

656
00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:16.284
bomb. And so, yeah, so

657
00:30:16.356 --> 00:30:19.196
she. She really was trying her best not to

658
00:30:19.212 --> 00:30:22.164
go that route, but. But as her counsel

659
00:30:22.356 --> 00:30:25.284
noted. And actually, you know, she notes as

660
00:30:25.316 --> 00:30:28.210
well. And then, of course, you know, she does tell, jace about the

661
00:30:28.234 --> 00:30:31.090
song of ice and fire. I mean, it's. For her, it's all.

662
00:30:31.154 --> 00:30:33.602
You know, it really is all about preserving

663
00:30:33.730 --> 00:30:36.538
westeros, preserving the land, and also just preserving

664
00:30:36.578 --> 00:30:39.528
the Targaryen legacy of peace that has. That has

665
00:30:39.568 --> 00:30:42.096
been in place for many years, versus team green, which

666
00:30:42.112 --> 00:30:44.984
is all about power. They can give shits

667
00:30:45.056 --> 00:30:47.840
about legacy and viserys and everything else.

668
00:30:47.984 --> 00:30:50.928
>> Sarah : Well, I don't know if I 100% agree with that.

669
00:30:51.008 --> 00:30:53.864
I mean, Alison was,

670
00:30:53.896 --> 00:30:56.432
like, searching for the books. She knows she fucked

671
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.472
up. She cares about viserys.

672
00:30:59.520 --> 00:31:01.868
Like, she told Aegon, like,

673
00:31:02.488 --> 00:31:04.984
you're not half of the ruler your father

674
00:31:05.056 --> 00:31:07.136
was. And. And she's

675
00:31:07.192 --> 00:31:09.856
regretting that decision. I mean,

676
00:31:09.952 --> 00:31:12.576
this whole episode with Allison was just

677
00:31:12.632 --> 00:31:14.908
about her own.

678
00:31:16.128 --> 00:31:19.074
Trying to reconcile the fact, arguably, this

679
00:31:19.106 --> 00:31:21.826
whole season with, like, choices

680
00:31:21.882 --> 00:31:24.610
she's made from having sex with

681
00:31:24.634 --> 00:31:27.226
Christian Cole, which technically did

682
00:31:27.322 --> 00:31:29.358
help lead to her grand.

683
00:31:30.098 --> 00:31:32.970
Her grandson's death, to,

684
00:31:32.938 --> 00:31:35.542
To the fact that she.

685
00:31:37.002 --> 00:31:39.586
Arguably, a decision Alicent made

686
00:31:39.714 --> 00:31:42.490
is the one, like, what

687
00:31:42.546 --> 00:31:45.242
knocked over the first domino to

688
00:31:45.282 --> 00:31:47.978
allow her son to usurp and not even

689
00:31:48.010 --> 00:31:50.618
allow. Push him into that. Because I

690
00:31:50.730 --> 00:31:53.202
remember season one, Aegon wasn't, like,

691
00:31:53.362 --> 00:31:55.702
dying to rule or anything.

692
00:31:56.002 --> 00:31:58.438
>> Will: Did they have to, like, sit out a search party to find him?

693
00:31:58.530 --> 00:32:01.278
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Everyone was resigned for

694
00:32:01.310 --> 00:32:04.134
Rhaenyra to rule. But it was a decision allison

695
00:32:04.238 --> 00:32:06.942
and Otto made that put

696
00:32:06.982 --> 00:32:09.782
Aegon on that throne and started

697
00:32:09.862 --> 00:32:12.614
this war. So the

698
00:32:12.718 --> 00:32:15.462
power. I agree that, like,

699
00:32:15.622 --> 00:32:18.158
Otto mainly was very

700
00:32:18.230 --> 00:32:21.142
power hungry. And that's probably why

701
00:32:21.222 --> 00:32:24.134
we have. Because Otto. Because Aegon and

702
00:32:24.158 --> 00:32:26.598
Aemond are both half Hightower and half

703
00:32:26.670 --> 00:32:29.652
Targaryen. So they do

704
00:32:29.692 --> 00:32:32.392
have that side of themselves. But also

705
00:32:32.732 --> 00:32:35.724
Aegon. He has

706
00:32:35.788 --> 00:32:38.732
the power. He doesn't know how to use

707
00:32:38.772 --> 00:32:41.660
it. He doesn't know anything about ruling.

708
00:32:41.836 --> 00:32:44.628
And he also lost his son.

709
00:32:44.820 --> 00:32:47.756
He. He's feeling as though no

710
00:32:47.804 --> 00:32:50.580
one listens to him, and he has to show. So.

711
00:32:50.676 --> 00:32:53.362
So his, Like. Like what I'm getting at is I

712
00:32:53.402 --> 00:32:56.344
don't have quite agree that team green only

713
00:32:56.408 --> 00:32:59.288
cares about power. I think they have.

714
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:02.360
I think the writers have done a good job

715
00:33:02.456 --> 00:33:05.104
about providing different

716
00:33:05.168 --> 00:33:07.976
motivational motivations

717
00:33:08.104 --> 00:33:11.080
for. For those characters to do what they do. I

718
00:33:11.096 --> 00:33:11.652
mean.

719
00:33:12.392 --> 00:33:15.344
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I hear what you're

720
00:33:15.368 --> 00:33:18.240
saying. I mean, I do. I mean, I. You

721
00:33:18.256 --> 00:33:20.132
know, Aegon, to me, is just a figurehead.

722
00:33:20.522 --> 00:33:21.514
>> Sarah : Right, right.

723
00:33:21.578 --> 00:33:24.378
>> Will: And so, as you noted,

724
00:33:24.570 --> 00:33:27.482
alicent in particular, Otto, they are,

725
00:33:27.642 --> 00:33:30.262
you know, basically that she. They.

726
00:33:30.682 --> 00:33:33.570
She even calls him out on it in this episode when he was like,

727
00:33:33.666 --> 00:33:36.442
you know, petulantly, like, y'all listen to me and that kind of stuff.

728
00:33:36.482 --> 00:33:39.098
Nobody listens to me and that kind of thing. And she's like,

729
00:33:39.130 --> 00:33:41.818
look, I mean, you know,

730
00:33:41.930 --> 00:33:44.908
we ran while your dad was, like, ill. we ran this place. We

731
00:33:44.940 --> 00:33:47.501
know what, we know this joint. So,

732
00:33:48.322 --> 00:33:51.115
So I think it. You know, so I do

733
00:33:51.163 --> 00:33:52.211
still think that.

734
00:33:52.371 --> 00:33:53.631
>> Sarah : Run it anymore.

735
00:33:54.251 --> 00:33:55.222
>> Will: Well, yeah. Ah.

736
00:33:55.222 --> 00:33:58.011
>> Sarah : Brought that up, too. About how he kicked

737
00:33:58.051 --> 00:34:00.803
Otto to the curb and she

738
00:34:00.867 --> 00:34:03.411
has no voice, practically. She's just the

739
00:34:03.451 --> 00:34:05.867
mother of the king. And

740
00:34:05.899 --> 00:34:08.699
so all of her power has been

741
00:34:08.755 --> 00:34:10.071
thrown out the window.

742
00:34:10.491 --> 00:34:13.334
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

743
00:34:13.398 --> 00:34:15.702
>> Sarah : Just survival mode. Killing

744
00:34:15.742 --> 00:34:16.494
babies.

745
00:34:16.678 --> 00:34:19.518
>> Will: Yeah, it is survival mode, for sure. I mean, that's what I mean.

746
00:34:19.590 --> 00:34:21.122
I think part of the,

747
00:34:21.952 --> 00:34:24.952
>> Will: So, I mean, as far as the motivations for her trying to find the books, I mean, I

748
00:34:24.952 --> 00:34:27.464
don't know if she was. It. She was just trying to

749
00:34:27.488 --> 00:34:30.312
confirm what Bernara told her, or she just tried

750
00:34:30.352 --> 00:34:33.344
to, like, read it for herself and try to figure out how she

751
00:34:33.368 --> 00:34:34.132
can, like,

752
00:34:35.712 --> 00:34:38.276
salvage whatever

753
00:34:38.444 --> 00:34:41.132
control that she can

754
00:34:41.172 --> 00:34:43.632
have over the situation.

755
00:34:44.132 --> 00:34:47.070
>> Sarah : Right. A, little of both. Like, all of it.

756
00:34:47.166 --> 00:34:49.802
I mean, she

757
00:34:50.542 --> 00:34:53.446
has lived in that castle for so long. She was raised

758
00:34:53.494 --> 00:34:56.134
by Otto. She got married at a very young age to

759
00:34:56.158 --> 00:34:59.002
visceras. She has Scene

760
00:34:59.742 --> 00:35:02.702
men, rule and make decision and rely

761
00:35:02.742 --> 00:35:05.126
on the histories to do so.

762
00:35:05.294 --> 00:35:08.094
So I think that's. That

763
00:35:08.238 --> 00:35:11.142
is why we saw that. That scene and her trying

764
00:35:11.182 --> 00:35:12.322
to find them.

765
00:35:14.302 --> 00:35:16.870
but. And she. And I

766
00:35:16.966 --> 00:35:19.574
see my interpretation of the line wasn't

767
00:35:19.638 --> 00:35:22.402
necessarily that he's a figurehead, but just that

768
00:35:23.702 --> 00:35:26.614
when you're in that position, you're not

769
00:35:26.638 --> 00:35:28.886
a soldier, you're not a

770
00:35:28.934 --> 00:35:31.780
warrior. You send the warriors

771
00:35:31.876 --> 00:35:33.020
off to battle.

772
00:35:33.156 --> 00:35:33.612
>> Will: Yeah.

773
00:35:33.692 --> 00:35:36.668
>> Sarah : And so Eamon can go because

774
00:35:36.740 --> 00:35:39.192
he's second in line. Like,

775
00:35:39.812 --> 00:35:42.612
you can't go because you're actually here.

776
00:35:42.732 --> 00:35:45.468
Like, ruling isn't about fighting. It's

777
00:35:45.500 --> 00:35:48.432
actually about governing, and it's political,

778
00:35:48.732 --> 00:35:51.508
and that's what Aegon doesn't seem to

779
00:35:51.540 --> 00:35:54.340
understand. And.

780
00:35:54.396 --> 00:35:57.254
And we'll. We'll see if he ever figures it

781
00:35:57.278 --> 00:35:58.734
out or if he has a chance.

782
00:35:58.918 --> 00:36:01.830
>> Will: Well, if he. Yeah, well,

783
00:36:01.966 --> 00:36:04.790
he may not now, but, or, yeah, I

784
00:36:04.806 --> 00:36:07.640
guess, there's a vector there. There may be a vacuum there at the

785
00:36:07.656 --> 00:36:08.212
top.

786
00:36:09.352 --> 00:36:12.328
>> Sarah : Yeah. Like, like I couldn't. I couldn't figure out

787
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:14.784
from the ending scene if he's alive or not.

788
00:36:14.928 --> 00:36:15.344
>> Will: Yeah.

789
00:36:15.408 --> 00:36:18.400
>> Sarah : Yeah, but I have a feeling he is, but

790
00:36:18.496 --> 00:36:19.280
barely.

791
00:36:19.456 --> 00:36:22.280
>> Will: Yeah, he's. Yeah, he's. He's going.

792
00:36:22.336 --> 00:36:24.924
He's. He's gonna be like his father's son there.

793
00:36:25.088 --> 00:36:28.036
>> Sarah : As far as just exactly what I thought. I'm like,

794
00:36:28.084 --> 00:36:30.980
man, they're just going all in on what I've been calling

795
00:36:31.036 --> 00:36:33.752
since episode one, the Sarah's.

796
00:36:37.702 --> 00:36:40.478
>> Will: but, yeah, but, you know, think of as you're talking about the books

797
00:36:40.550 --> 00:36:43.254
and Aegon has happened to think, you know, also just

798
00:36:43.278 --> 00:36:46.134
thinking about the two, you know, the two rulers. Cause, you

799
00:36:46.158 --> 00:36:48.854
know, that's the other thing, too. I think

800
00:36:48.878 --> 00:36:51.854
Renera does listen to her counsel even though she wanted

801
00:36:51.878 --> 00:36:54.616
to fight whenever they're like, look, no, no, no. You're the ruler.

802
00:36:54.704 --> 00:36:57.304
She. And she gets it because, you know, she was

803
00:36:57.368 --> 00:36:59.992
trained from a young age. When Viserys

804
00:37:00.032 --> 00:37:02.808
decided to name her as his

805
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:05.776
heir, she just said she was so she was sitting at the

806
00:37:05.784 --> 00:37:08.392
council. She was doing the things that basically, like, as you were saying,

807
00:37:08.432 --> 00:37:11.248
alicent did that. If they had

808
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:13.664
any inkling that Aegon, well,

809
00:37:13.808 --> 00:37:16.672
would. Was going to be eventual king,

810
00:37:16.712 --> 00:37:19.252
you know, king, they, they, well,

811
00:37:19.962 --> 00:37:22.786
they may. He may. Well, given his temperament,

812
00:37:22.834 --> 00:37:25.834
he may. Even if he sat there, I don't know if he would have. Would

813
00:37:25.858 --> 00:37:28.826
have gotten it. Gotten it. Especially,

814
00:37:28.914 --> 00:37:31.634
you know, with the way amund, like, called him out on the high

815
00:37:31.658 --> 00:37:34.458
Valyrian. I mean, you know,

816
00:37:34.490 --> 00:37:37.434
because he just doesn't have that intellectual curiosity or temperament

817
00:37:37.498 --> 00:37:40.210
that, you know, to learn these kind of things. So, you know,

818
00:37:40.306 --> 00:37:43.106
even. Even if the situation have broken a different

819
00:37:43.154 --> 00:37:46.028
way, I think even they gone to still be, you know,

820
00:37:46.060 --> 00:37:48.996
feckless king just because of

821
00:37:49.004 --> 00:37:49.952
his temperament.

822
00:37:50.412 --> 00:37:53.052
>> Sarah : Maybe. Yeah, maybe we'll never

823
00:37:53.092 --> 00:37:53.508
know.

824
00:37:53.620 --> 00:37:53.972
>> Will: Yeah.

825
00:37:53.972 --> 00:37:56.796
>> Sarah : so, so the Dance of dragons rocks.

826
00:37:56.860 --> 00:37:59.732
Rest you got Sir Christian coming in

827
00:37:59.908 --> 00:38:02.304
and then Rhaenys shows up

828
00:38:02.764 --> 00:38:05.460
and, and also Aegon shows

829
00:38:05.492 --> 00:38:06.064
up.

830
00:38:07.884 --> 00:38:10.788
>> Will: Cole was like, oh, fucked.

831
00:38:10.906 --> 00:38:13.324
All right, let's just use this as a rallying call.

832
00:38:14.384 --> 00:38:16.924
>> Sarah : What were your thoughts about when,

833
00:38:16.874 --> 00:38:19.666
Eamon, blasted

834
00:38:19.850 --> 00:38:21.818
his little bro out of the sky?

835
00:38:21.986 --> 00:38:24.654
>> Will: My what? I

836
00:38:25.234 --> 00:38:28.226
would. I will give my real time reaction when

837
00:38:28.250 --> 00:38:31.250
I watched it, not after listening to other

838
00:38:31.282 --> 00:38:34.210
people talk about it. But Sunday night when I was watching it, I was

839
00:38:34.242 --> 00:38:37.072
like, he sees the moment there to like

840
00:38:37.218 --> 00:38:40.156
to take his brother out. That was my

841
00:38:40.180 --> 00:38:40.744
thought.

842
00:38:41.644 --> 00:38:44.164
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah.

843
00:38:44.204 --> 00:38:47.068
>> Will: That was my real time feeling. He was like all the

844
00:38:47.116 --> 00:38:49.884
teasing, all the. Everything from, you know,

845
00:38:49.964 --> 00:38:52.940
it was just like, I know

846
00:38:52.972 --> 00:38:55.932
how to use this drug, I know how to use this dragon, and

847
00:38:56.068 --> 00:38:57.664
I'm going to take him out.

848
00:38:58.404 --> 00:39:00.364
>> Sarah : Yeah. I mean, he's,

849
00:39:02.384 --> 00:39:05.360
he. Aegon is not necessarily someone you want on your

850
00:39:05.392 --> 00:39:08.240
team. A

851
00:39:08.272 --> 00:39:09.544
decision like this.

852
00:39:09.664 --> 00:39:10.008
>> Will: Yeah.

853
00:39:10.056 --> 00:39:12.484
>> Sarah : So. So that happens.

854
00:39:12.824 --> 00:39:15.734
And, and then you

855
00:39:15.774 --> 00:39:18.054
think Renees is going away. She comes

856
00:39:18.134 --> 00:39:20.534
back and. And she

857
00:39:20.614 --> 00:39:23.420
renees, Maris and, Veigar get into

858
00:39:23.460 --> 00:39:25.844
her quarrel and. And Renees

859
00:39:25.892 --> 00:39:28.520
actually, like, does pretty good.

860
00:39:29.030 --> 00:39:31.878
And then they try to do. This didn't work at

861
00:39:31.894 --> 00:39:34.734
all for me. I know for some people did, but it didn't.

862
00:39:34.822 --> 00:39:37.590
The whole fake out where, oh, you think Veigar

863
00:39:37.630 --> 00:39:40.406
is down. Nope. Comes back

864
00:39:40.598 --> 00:39:43.470
and, basically rips off the head

865
00:39:43.510 --> 00:39:45.690
of Mernie, Maris and

866
00:39:46.790 --> 00:39:49.414
Renaissance falls to her death

867
00:39:49.582 --> 00:39:52.486
and she falls right into the castle

868
00:39:52.598 --> 00:39:55.118
at Rocksgrass, if I'm not mistaken, she

869
00:39:55.134 --> 00:39:58.090
did. It is a lot,

870
00:39:58.170 --> 00:40:00.890
I will say. All of this

871
00:40:00.970 --> 00:40:03.744
dragon fighting. I've, watched season one of Game of

872
00:40:03.768 --> 00:40:06.720
Thrones, and yes, we did not get dragons for a very long

873
00:40:06.776 --> 00:40:09.736
time. And when we did, we only got a few and they were all

874
00:40:09.744 --> 00:40:12.624
in the same team. This is some of the

875
00:40:12.688 --> 00:40:15.512
best, like, graphics

876
00:40:15.592 --> 00:40:17.932
for dragon dragons fighting.

877
00:40:18.232 --> 00:40:21.032
Like the moments when they are just

878
00:40:21.112 --> 00:40:23.248
swirling in the air,

879
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:26.168
tangled and together and

880
00:40:26.200 --> 00:40:28.952
it really is like a dance and it. So

881
00:40:28.992 --> 00:40:31.572
they executed that very well.

882
00:40:31.912 --> 00:40:34.616
I love. I felt like there was

883
00:40:34.704 --> 00:40:37.172
no score used.

884
00:40:38.232 --> 00:40:39.132
>> Will: You're right.

885
00:40:39.432 --> 00:40:42.008
>> Sarah : And I love that. It

886
00:40:42.040 --> 00:40:44.984
reminded me of some of the infamous

887
00:40:45.048 --> 00:40:47.492
Game of Thrones episodes with battles

888
00:40:48.792 --> 00:40:51.528
and how I feel as though

889
00:40:51.640 --> 00:40:54.528
the writers and producers do this in Game

890
00:40:54.560 --> 00:40:56.832
of Thrones world to

891
00:40:56.992 --> 00:40:59.292
underscore the.

892
00:40:59.872 --> 00:41:01.852
Just the travesty of war

893
00:41:02.792 --> 00:41:05.744
and especially when dragons are

894
00:41:05.768 --> 00:41:08.552
involved. Especially when dragons are involved

895
00:41:08.592 --> 00:41:11.352
because it's like, yeah, victory.

896
00:41:11.302 --> 00:41:14.102
but is it a victory

897
00:41:14.198 --> 00:41:17.112
because both sides have lost

898
00:41:17.278 --> 00:41:18.744
significant amount?

899
00:41:19.044 --> 00:41:20.212
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

900
00:41:20.348 --> 00:41:23.140
>> Sarah : Like, and it's just. And it's.

901
00:41:23.292 --> 00:41:25.984
It's not. There is no glory.

902
00:41:26.404 --> 00:41:29.140
Like, that's another thing. I mean,

903
00:41:29.292 --> 00:41:32.084
Kristen, who's been leading this whole thing,

904
00:41:32.204 --> 00:41:34.452
and you've Scene him in a few

905
00:41:34.508 --> 00:41:37.228
instances take. Be able to take

906
00:41:37.276 --> 00:41:40.028
over people's castles and you. It

907
00:41:40.076 --> 00:41:43.044
does feel victorious. It does feel glory. But on

908
00:41:43.084 --> 00:41:46.014
this battlefield, he gets knocked

909
00:41:46.054 --> 00:41:48.998
out and then wakes up and it's. The fight

910
00:41:49.046 --> 00:41:51.794
is over and it's like,

911
00:41:52.614 --> 00:41:55.422
what happened? And this.

912
00:41:55.558 --> 00:41:58.054
My men are burnt to a crisp

913
00:41:58.214 --> 00:42:01.074
and where's the king? And it's just.

914
00:42:01.694 --> 00:42:03.726
It's. It doesn't feel

915
00:42:03.870 --> 00:42:06.868
victorious. so I really appreciate that.

916
00:42:07.036 --> 00:42:09.916
>> Will: Yeah, I completely agree. I mean, it goes back to, like,

917
00:42:09.980 --> 00:42:12.660
I think it was Renee who even noted how, like, these

918
00:42:12.732 --> 00:42:15.666
are. These people. These men have

919
00:42:15.690 --> 00:42:18.642
only played. Played battle, you know, and, you know, in

920
00:42:18.658 --> 00:42:21.034
their little tournaments and stuff, they've never had real

921
00:42:21.074 --> 00:42:24.002
combat because, again, you know, Westeros has been

922
00:42:24.018 --> 00:42:26.734
at peace for all these years. And so,

923
00:42:27.114 --> 00:42:29.810
yeah, so when you see the. When you see

924
00:42:29.842 --> 00:42:32.770
the ferociousness of the. Of

925
00:42:32.802 --> 00:42:35.498
the battle, you know, put in my notes that, ah, you know, mad,

926
00:42:35.546 --> 00:42:38.514
mutually assured destruction. I mean, that's. That's what, basically what you

927
00:42:38.554 --> 00:42:41.428
have here. You have to. When you have these two dragons, like,

928
00:42:41.476 --> 00:42:44.396
fighting, and, like, when you see aegon,

929
00:42:44.530 --> 00:42:46.996
whatever sky fought, sunfire

930
00:42:47.100 --> 00:42:49.952
and, release fight, in, you know, the wound, you know,

931
00:42:49.968 --> 00:42:52.832
the dragon. Dragon's blood is, like, you know, flammable.

932
00:42:52.928 --> 00:42:55.736
I mean, you know, we see, like, the devastation just from the

933
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:58.624
dragons getting wounded on. On the battlefield, not even doing

934
00:42:58.664 --> 00:43:01.168
a direct assault on. On the. On the ground

935
00:43:01.216 --> 00:43:03.976
troops. So, yeah, it's just. It's

936
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.960
just. Yeah, you're right with not having

937
00:43:06.992 --> 00:43:09.776
a score, just really. I

938
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:12.758
didn't notice that until you brought it up. But now that, you know, but

939
00:43:12.886 --> 00:43:15.634
I do remember that now

940
00:43:16.094 --> 00:43:19.094
that it was just the sounds of battle, and I think

941
00:43:19.134 --> 00:43:21.634
that does heighten the

942
00:43:22.694 --> 00:43:25.680
drama and the ferociousness, of

943
00:43:25.816 --> 00:43:26.812
the assault.

944
00:43:27.392 --> 00:43:30.288
>> Sarah : Right. And it's not even a battle necessarily,

945
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:32.824
because it's just a fight between two dragons.

946
00:43:32.888 --> 00:43:35.854
Because in that instance, than people on the

947
00:43:35.878 --> 00:43:38.542
ground, like, we're right

948
00:43:38.582 --> 00:43:39.758
underneath them.

949
00:43:39.910 --> 00:43:41.002
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

950
00:43:42.822 --> 00:43:45.734
It's like syraxis in the first season, whenever daemon, like, steps

951
00:43:45.758 --> 00:43:46.642
on the gun.

952
00:43:48.822 --> 00:43:51.398
>> Sarah : Their fight wasn't allowed to. Actually. Actually,

953
00:43:51.470 --> 00:43:54.142
Cole's menident seized the castle and run

954
00:43:54.182 --> 00:43:57.110
forward until the dragons were gone, like

955
00:43:57.166 --> 00:43:59.162
everyone was just watching them.

956
00:44:01.262 --> 00:44:03.402
and then at the end,

957
00:44:04.902 --> 00:44:07.750
Criston wakes up, and he

958
00:44:07.846 --> 00:44:10.614
goes into the woods to find

959
00:44:10.718 --> 00:44:13.614
Aegon. And he finds Aegon, but first he

960
00:44:13.638 --> 00:44:16.006
encounters Aemond, who found Aegon first.

961
00:44:16.094 --> 00:44:18.878
And I feel like he put the

962
00:44:18.910 --> 00:44:20.842
sword back in. So

963
00:44:22.102 --> 00:44:24.742
I agree. Like, a part of me is like,

964
00:44:24.782 --> 00:44:27.596
okay, I like the uncertainty

965
00:44:27.684 --> 00:44:30.668
here right now. I know some people know what

966
00:44:30.740 --> 00:44:32.836
ends up happening, some people don't.

967
00:44:33.004 --> 00:44:35.812
But I can appreciate how the

968
00:44:35.852 --> 00:44:38.652
ambiguity right now with. With Aegon

969
00:44:38.812 --> 00:44:41.324
and Aegon and Aemon, because it's

970
00:44:41.348 --> 00:44:44.132
like he did fall to his death.

971
00:44:44.292 --> 00:44:47.100
He, like, fell from the sky, just like renees.

972
00:44:47.276 --> 00:44:50.020
There was fire and there's a dragon.

973
00:44:50.156 --> 00:44:53.150
So. So he shouldn't be in perfect

974
00:44:53.206 --> 00:44:55.552
condition. so,

975
00:44:55.672 --> 00:44:58.632
arguably, aegon, like

976
00:44:58.672 --> 00:45:01.624
you said, seized opportunity in the sky. Well,

977
00:45:01.728 --> 00:45:04.296
then he's got to go down and make sure the job is

978
00:45:04.344 --> 00:45:07.160
done, or on another

979
00:45:07.256 --> 00:45:09.372
part of him is like, oh,

980
00:45:10.312 --> 00:45:13.252
you continuing to live would be actually in pain,

981
00:45:14.272 --> 00:45:15.932
put you out of your misery.

982
00:45:17.762 --> 00:45:20.382
so they're like.

983
00:45:20.922 --> 00:45:23.798
Like, I liked it. yeah. I can

984
00:45:23.830 --> 00:45:26.606
appreciate that. I'm curious

985
00:45:26.774 --> 00:45:29.162
to know about what happens,

986
00:45:29.832 --> 00:45:32.532
at that point, but I'm also just.

987
00:45:33.072 --> 00:45:35.968
We're halfway through the season, half the

988
00:45:36.080 --> 00:45:38.472
season, and there is a season

989
00:45:38.552 --> 00:45:39.904
three, right?

990
00:45:40.048 --> 00:45:42.732
>> Will: Yep. It was confirmed right when this

991
00:45:43.032 --> 00:45:44.374
season started. Yeah.

992
00:45:44.528 --> 00:45:47.058
>> Sarah : Okay. I need them to bring back

993
00:45:47.090 --> 00:45:50.022
viserys. I'm missing him so freaking much.

994
00:45:50.682 --> 00:45:53.594
>> Will: The shadow of viserys. Like, even though he's

995
00:45:53.618 --> 00:45:56.134
not physically there, his

996
00:45:56.158 --> 00:45:58.522
shadow is cast

997
00:45:59.422 --> 00:46:02.134
wide over this show. But even Matt

998
00:46:02.158 --> 00:46:04.762
Smith jokes about how they miss patty

999
00:46:05.262 --> 00:46:08.140
taking it out of universe. they do miss Patty and

1000
00:46:08.196 --> 00:46:11.108
viserys, the character, because he really did bring such an element

1001
00:46:11.140 --> 00:46:11.992
to the show.

1002
00:46:12.392 --> 00:46:14.532
>> Sarah : Well, it's just that

1003
00:46:15.472 --> 00:46:18.264
we were able to have so many interactions with

1004
00:46:18.288 --> 00:46:21.104
these characters, and now we're on teams,

1005
00:46:21.168 --> 00:46:23.816
and, and, and like I was saying

1006
00:46:23.864 --> 00:46:26.692
before, I'm so disheartened right now.

1007
00:46:27.792 --> 00:46:30.712
I feel like the odds are not in our

1008
00:46:30.752 --> 00:46:33.482
girl's favor, and it's. I'm, just

1009
00:46:33.538 --> 00:46:36.322
like, we're really gonna go on with this for another, like, what,

1010
00:46:36.378 --> 00:46:38.454
ten episodes? Maybe more.

1011
00:46:39.874 --> 00:46:42.634
Can we go here? So I'm

1012
00:46:42.674 --> 00:46:45.482
really hoping that some of the other seeds

1013
00:46:45.538 --> 00:46:48.258
that have been planted in this, these first four

1014
00:46:48.306 --> 00:46:50.654
episodes start to sprout a bit more.

1015
00:46:52.174 --> 00:46:55.104
because I,

1016
00:46:55.054 --> 00:46:57.122
don't know. It's just. Yeah.

1017
00:46:57.542 --> 00:47:00.126
>> Will: Yeah, I think they will. I mean, you know, even. Even in this

1018
00:47:00.174 --> 00:47:02.774
episode, as I noted earlier, they. They really

1019
00:47:02.838 --> 00:47:05.804
do, to me, do a great job of building things up

1020
00:47:05.828 --> 00:47:08.260
because some of those earlier seeds, like, for

1021
00:47:08.276 --> 00:47:11.188
example, the livestock and

1022
00:47:11.260 --> 00:47:12.152
the coin

1023
00:47:13.892 --> 00:47:16.812
provisions for team Green are running very, very low because

1024
00:47:16.852 --> 00:47:19.692
of the blockade that team,

1025
00:47:19.642 --> 00:47:22.530
black has on King's Landing. So those kind

1026
00:47:22.546 --> 00:47:24.342
of things resurface themselves. Of course,

1027
00:47:26.152 --> 00:47:28.772
on team Black will get more

1028
00:47:30.842 --> 00:47:33.682
dragon riders and soldiers

1029
00:47:33.722 --> 00:47:36.142
with, you know, with renice

1030
00:47:36.442 --> 00:47:39.416
making peace with. With, Alan, you know,

1031
00:47:39.464 --> 00:47:42.440
Corlos's bastard, you know, and so, you know,

1032
00:47:42.456 --> 00:47:45.296
so there's stories, things in that storyline

1033
00:47:45.344 --> 00:47:48.254
that's, you know, going to continue. So, yeah, I think there's.

1034
00:47:48.278 --> 00:47:51.278
There's a lot to mind there in addition to just the, you know,

1035
00:47:51.310 --> 00:47:54.294
obviously, the conflict. but, to me, I felt like

1036
00:47:54.318 --> 00:47:57.070
this was, if team Green won, it was a pirate

1037
00:47:57.126 --> 00:48:00.074
victory. I mean, to me, it just. I think things are

1038
00:48:00.098 --> 00:48:01.782
kind of at a stalemate at this point.

1039
00:48:02.602 --> 00:48:05.362
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Things are

1040
00:48:05.522 --> 00:48:08.198
definitely at a halt, on the

1041
00:48:08.230 --> 00:48:11.022
battlefield, as team

1042
00:48:11.362 --> 00:48:14.194
greens, king. I don't

1043
00:48:14.218 --> 00:48:17.218
know. We will find out next week what happens

1044
00:48:17.250 --> 00:48:18.182
to Aegon.

1045
00:48:19.422 --> 00:48:22.286
let's move on to the boys, season four, episode

1046
00:48:22.334 --> 00:48:23.802
six, dirty Business.

1047
00:48:25.752 --> 00:48:28.520
will, do you want to start us off on this

1048
00:48:28.576 --> 00:48:29.412
episode?

1049
00:48:30.032 --> 00:48:32.412
>> Will: sure. So the boys,

1050
00:48:32.992 --> 00:48:35.864
episode six, hard. Gosh, where are

1051
00:48:35.888 --> 00:48:38.568
we? The season's almost over. Two

1052
00:48:38.600 --> 00:48:41.518
episodes left. yeah, this episode,

1053
00:48:41.630 --> 00:48:44.494
I have to say, it seemed that things were kind of

1054
00:48:44.518 --> 00:48:47.318
just sort of treading. I feel like we got some

1055
00:48:47.390 --> 00:48:49.966
advancement in a lot of stuff this week.

1056
00:48:50.014 --> 00:48:52.854
With. With this episode, of course, we. We get

1057
00:48:52.878 --> 00:48:54.912
another gen v tie in with,

1058
00:48:55.802 --> 00:48:58.338
tech knight and his

1059
00:48:58.410 --> 00:49:01.026
party with the federalist society. And,

1060
00:49:01.194 --> 00:49:04.130
yeah, we just. You know. And, you know, we. We

1061
00:49:04.266 --> 00:49:06.770
learn a little bit more about

1062
00:49:06.906 --> 00:49:09.754
what homelander? Well, we

1063
00:49:09.778 --> 00:49:12.658
see. We basically see the empty suit, the empty,

1064
00:49:12.730 --> 00:49:14.662
empty cape the homelander is without,

1065
00:49:15.372 --> 00:49:18.132
Without having sister, sage there as his,

1066
00:49:18.692 --> 00:49:21.156
brains for the. For the operation.

1067
00:49:21.244 --> 00:49:24.184
But, yeah, you know, we. We started. You know,

1068
00:49:24.208 --> 00:49:26.808
we get multiple things going on with this episode. Of course,

1069
00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:29.776
we see. We get some clarity on

1070
00:49:29.904 --> 00:49:31.852
what we thought with Butcher and.

1071
00:49:34.792 --> 00:49:35.792
Yeah, and Joe.

1072
00:49:35.832 --> 00:49:38.344
>> Sarah : Yeah, we got confirmation

1073
00:49:38.528 --> 00:49:39.448
yeah, we got.

1074
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:42.280
>> Will: Confirmation this week with that. So. Yeah,

1075
00:49:42.336 --> 00:49:45.224
so the whole angels. I'll just start

1076
00:49:45.248 --> 00:49:47.632
with. I'll just start with Butcher's story here.

1077
00:49:47.952 --> 00:49:50.800
yeah, so we. You know, we did. We did see the dueling angels

1078
00:49:50.896 --> 00:49:53.888
as far as Butcher and Joe and,

1079
00:49:53.872 --> 00:49:56.580
Becca and, Samir

1080
00:49:56.676 --> 00:49:59.540
and, you know, the scene. The. You know what I

1081
00:49:59.556 --> 00:50:02.352
really liked about that scene? Whenever,

1082
00:50:02.412 --> 00:50:05.332
Whenever that dispute when was going on

1083
00:50:05.372 --> 00:50:07.916
in Butcher's head and seeing Samir's reaction

1084
00:50:07.964 --> 00:50:09.472
to, you know,

1085
00:50:10.822 --> 00:50:13.802
seeing Butcher, you know, arguing with himself,

1086
00:50:15.462 --> 00:50:18.374
you know, it was. It was. It was cool just

1087
00:50:18.398 --> 00:50:21.174
to get some confirmation of a theory that many people

1088
00:50:21.238 --> 00:50:24.082
had, including us, but also,

1089
00:50:24.272 --> 00:50:27.184
it really gets to the core, something I think we were talking about maybe

1090
00:50:27.208 --> 00:50:30.048
in a prior episode. As far as what is Butcher's true

1091
00:50:30.080 --> 00:50:32.412
nature at this point? You know, will he. Will

1092
00:50:33.072 --> 00:50:35.944
the becca side of his personality went out or will the Joe

1093
00:50:35.968 --> 00:50:38.944
side of his personality went out? and,

1094
00:50:39.008 --> 00:50:41.888
you know, forcing Samir to finish

1095
00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:44.688
this virus within the. Within the week to

1096
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:47.192
basically, you know, create a weapon of mass destruction for

1097
00:50:47.272 --> 00:50:47.992
supes.

1098
00:50:48.152 --> 00:50:50.976
>> Sarah : Yeah. I'm so

1099
00:50:51.024 --> 00:50:53.052
mad at this whole scene.

1100
00:50:54.032 --> 00:50:56.744
It didn't work for m. Me. I think it's

1101
00:50:56.808 --> 00:50:58.572
stupid because,

1102
00:50:59.632 --> 00:51:02.136
like, you were right last week. Kessler is just

1103
00:51:02.184 --> 00:51:04.132
somebody from. Apparently,

1104
00:51:04.852 --> 00:51:07.076
Butcher's passed in the military,

1105
00:51:07.244 --> 00:51:07.952
and

1106
00:51:10.412 --> 00:51:13.348
it's just. Yeah, and this

1107
00:51:13.380 --> 00:51:15.868
whole thing about what is butcher's

1108
00:51:15.940 --> 00:51:17.832
nature. I feel as though.

1109
00:51:19.852 --> 00:51:22.820
I don't know, it's just. I feel

1110
00:51:22.876 --> 00:51:25.832
like that got resolved in an earlier season.

1111
00:51:27.062 --> 00:51:29.742
and then. But then they've

1112
00:51:29.782 --> 00:51:32.286
decided to go back down. I don't know. There's just

1113
00:51:32.334 --> 00:51:35.082
something like, really? We're doing this again?

1114
00:51:35.742 --> 00:51:38.558
Like, why? Why? I. I

1115
00:51:38.590 --> 00:51:41.288
mean, Come on. And. And

1116
00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:43.012
I don't know. It's just.

1117
00:51:44.312 --> 00:51:47.152
I understand, like, how we

1118
00:51:47.192 --> 00:51:49.944
got here, but I also just. I'm

1119
00:51:50.008 --> 00:51:52.552
not a big fan of so far, the destination

1120
00:51:52.712 --> 00:51:55.184
or where. Where we are. It

1121
00:51:55.208 --> 00:51:57.886
just. I don't know, it doesn't feel like

1122
00:51:57.974 --> 00:52:00.710
there. There's. And I've had this complaint about

1123
00:52:00.766 --> 00:52:03.766
the boys aspect of this

1124
00:52:03.814 --> 00:52:06.398
show for this entire season. Is

1125
00:52:06.430 --> 00:52:09.190
that me? It's just not

1126
00:52:09.246 --> 00:52:12.226
working like it used to. And, the

1127
00:52:12.330 --> 00:52:15.186
superior storyline always seems to be

1128
00:52:15.210 --> 00:52:17.294
occurring over with the seven

1129
00:52:17.674 --> 00:52:20.498
and with Homelander and. And

1130
00:52:20.546 --> 00:52:23.404
just the writing really comes out

1131
00:52:23.564 --> 00:52:26.024
clearer and more crisp and.

1132
00:52:26.604 --> 00:52:29.476
And very, like, really. I

1133
00:52:29.500 --> 00:52:32.220
can't believe. We basically watched tech.

1134
00:52:32.332 --> 00:52:34.788
Tech night, a BDS

1135
00:52:34.916 --> 00:52:37.428
BDMs scene that nobody asked

1136
00:52:37.476 --> 00:52:40.092
for between tech Knight Ashley and

1137
00:52:40.108 --> 00:52:42.900
Hughie M. And then Hughie

1138
00:52:42.932 --> 00:52:45.908
is ashamed. He got off on

1139
00:52:45.956 --> 00:52:46.544
it.

1140
00:52:49.134 --> 00:52:52.086
>> Will: Well, I don't know if he was. Well, you're talking about when he, like, broke

1141
00:52:52.110 --> 00:52:53.674
down with Annie at the end.

1142
00:52:54.214 --> 00:52:56.394
>> Sarah : Yeah. He mentioned he rubbed one out.

1143
00:52:57.134 --> 00:52:58.070
>> Will: Okay.

1144
00:52:58.262 --> 00:52:59.038
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1145
00:52:59.206 --> 00:53:02.190
>> Will: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot. Yeah, I forgot

1146
00:53:02.222 --> 00:53:04.982
that. Yeah, that whole. That whole. That whole sequence

1147
00:53:05.078 --> 00:53:07.742
was just problematic for me for various reasons.

1148
00:53:07.798 --> 00:53:10.710
>> Sarah : Yeah. I definitely was like, why can't I need

1149
00:53:10.742 --> 00:53:13.472
to fast forward through this? Because this is a lot, and I don't.

1150
00:53:13.528 --> 00:53:16.512
I'm not here for this. This is so weird.

1151
00:53:16.648 --> 00:53:17.324
So.

1152
00:53:18.144 --> 00:53:21.136
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I just. I mean,

1153
00:53:21.160 --> 00:53:23.364
I get where they were. I mean, I.

1154
00:53:24.264 --> 00:53:27.160
I get what they were aim. Trying to

1155
00:53:27.192 --> 00:53:29.964
aim for there. As far as, like,

1156
00:53:31.384 --> 00:53:33.184
with. With tech and the whole.

1157
00:53:33.224 --> 00:53:35.848
>> Sarah : With Ashley and the whole way too long.

1158
00:53:35.976 --> 00:53:37.724
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1159
00:53:38.954 --> 00:53:41.672
yeah. And it just, Yeah, I did go way too long,

1160
00:53:41.728 --> 00:53:44.404
and I just felt like, you know, with.

1161
00:53:45.584 --> 00:53:48.496
With. I mean, it was like, on the one hand,

1162
00:53:48.520 --> 00:53:51.368
like, making light of, like, someone

1163
00:53:51.416 --> 00:53:54.296
being assaulted in a sense, because, I mean, Hughie, once they

1164
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:57.288
realized who he was and then they might take it to the next level,

1165
00:53:57.336 --> 00:53:59.760
it was just like. It went from consent to, like, something

1166
00:53:59.832 --> 00:54:02.632
completely different. I mean, I don't think you would

1167
00:54:02.648 --> 00:54:04.146
consent to even begin with.

1168
00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:04.574
>> Sarah : No.

1169
00:54:04.614 --> 00:54:07.494
>> Will: But, And so there was, you know, there was that aspect of

1170
00:54:07.510 --> 00:54:10.422
it, too. It was just. It was just so messed up. Yeah. I will say

1171
00:54:10.454 --> 00:54:13.334
with the one place where they redeem itself was whenever

1172
00:54:13.430 --> 00:54:16.070
they, like, gave all the text money. Wait till

1173
00:54:16.118 --> 00:54:17.878
the lefty causes.

1174
00:54:18.022 --> 00:54:20.706
>> Sarah : Right, right. Huey did,

1175
00:54:21.246 --> 00:54:24.206
like, in a weird way when he was wearing that mask and

1176
00:54:24.246 --> 00:54:26.646
dressed as a, web weaver.

1177
00:54:26.782 --> 00:54:29.318
Yeah. It was like he took a stupid pill

1178
00:54:29.438 --> 00:54:32.126
because you're like, dude, you

1179
00:54:32.222 --> 00:54:35.046
followed him into the basement, and you are you. Are

1180
00:54:35.062 --> 00:54:37.942
you looking around at what's around you? Like, where do

1181
00:54:37.950 --> 00:54:40.918
you think this is going to end up? And then. And

1182
00:54:40.958 --> 00:54:43.726
he didn't really seem that bothered by

1183
00:54:43.782 --> 00:54:46.542
it. Even sticking his bare ass

1184
00:54:46.590 --> 00:54:49.218
into a cake and then having a fart like

1185
00:54:49.678 --> 00:54:52.494
that raised kind of a red flag. But I don't

1186
00:54:52.526 --> 00:54:53.978
know, Huey just

1187
00:54:55.118 --> 00:54:57.960
weird way. It was very disturbing,

1188
00:54:58.064 --> 00:55:01.024
but it. But it's weird because you have sequence like that in

1189
00:55:01.056 --> 00:55:03.832
this episode, which is basically its own little

1190
00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:06.608
plot line going on. And then

1191
00:55:06.728 --> 00:55:09.680
you fast forward to, the last scene with

1192
00:55:09.704 --> 00:55:12.344
Homelander, and we

1193
00:55:12.456 --> 00:55:15.272
literally, very briefly get

1194
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:17.832
shown, and it's the return of

1195
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:20.608
Homelander's mommy issues, as I like to call

1196
00:55:20.648 --> 00:55:23.232
them. And he's literally sucking

1197
00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:26.152
on Firecracker's tit because she took

1198
00:55:26.200 --> 00:55:28.698
a pills so she could.

1199
00:55:31.958 --> 00:55:34.734
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is me. I'm

1200
00:55:34.766 --> 00:55:37.182
like, oh, oh, we're okay.

1201
00:55:37.270 --> 00:55:40.134
Okay. But it was brief. It was very

1202
00:55:40.206 --> 00:55:43.158
brief. There was a lot more talking before we're

1203
00:55:43.198 --> 00:55:46.198
actually shown it, and then we're there, and then we're gone.

1204
00:55:46.318 --> 00:55:49.192
Like, yes. so made the point. Yeah.

1205
00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:52.160
So it's just there. They. They have

1206
00:55:52.184 --> 00:55:55.160
a way to do this in the show, and they have done it

1207
00:55:55.184 --> 00:55:57.858
over four seasons, wherever I'm not

1208
00:55:57.898 --> 00:56:00.394
completely taken out of the episode, but when you have an

1209
00:56:00.426 --> 00:56:03.106
entire arc and, like,

1210
00:56:03.162 --> 00:56:05.818
plot line and a sequence where I'm

1211
00:56:05.858 --> 00:56:08.482
like, oh, my God, I just

1212
00:56:08.610 --> 00:56:11.298
can't sit through this for another five

1213
00:56:11.378 --> 00:56:13.946
minutes. I just want to fast forward because at the same

1214
00:56:14.002 --> 00:56:16.762
time, you're like, well, they're not going

1215
00:56:16.770 --> 00:56:19.330
to kill Huey down here, so what's the

1216
00:56:19.354 --> 00:56:22.258
point? Right? And it makes

1217
00:56:22.298 --> 00:56:25.230
me more mad because the whole point point of this tech

1218
00:56:25.254 --> 00:56:28.058
knight story arc actually

1219
00:56:28.798 --> 00:56:31.662
had more to do with a. With a

1220
00:56:31.750 --> 00:56:34.278
two minute conversation he has with a

1221
00:56:34.318 --> 00:56:36.418
train at the beginning

1222
00:56:36.998 --> 00:56:39.950
than it does with anything that happened in

1223
00:56:39.974 --> 00:56:42.538
the torture bdsm chamber.

1224
00:56:42.878 --> 00:56:45.550
Like. Like it's.

1225
00:56:45.734 --> 00:56:48.178
You're just sitting here thinking to yourself,

1226
00:56:48.878 --> 00:56:51.700
I know these are good writers, but

1227
00:56:51.804 --> 00:56:54.698
it's as if they just get lost in their own,

1228
00:56:54.648 --> 00:56:57.616
like, sick fan fiction and think that's

1229
00:56:57.640 --> 00:56:59.444
what the viewer wants to see.

1230
00:57:00.544 --> 00:57:03.488
Like, you don't need it. We could have spent way more

1231
00:57:03.536 --> 00:57:06.344
time with black noir and the deep. That's all I'm

1232
00:57:06.384 --> 00:57:09.024
saying. Like, we could have hung out with the kids that

1233
00:57:09.064 --> 00:57:11.768
got left at home for a bit more

1234
00:57:11.856 --> 00:57:13.644
than watch that shit.

1235
00:57:13.984 --> 00:57:16.776
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm glad you brought up the

1236
00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:19.356
black, more deep conversation

1237
00:57:19.420 --> 00:57:22.020
because, you know, because it really. Power.

1238
00:57:22.212 --> 00:57:24.820
What the deep say violent. Violence is

1239
00:57:24.852 --> 00:57:25.332
power.

1240
00:57:25.468 --> 00:57:28.436
>> Sarah : Power. Violence is power. Which is very weird

1241
00:57:28.500 --> 00:57:30.020
coming from the deep.

1242
00:57:30.212 --> 00:57:33.140
>> Will: Yeah. Ah, yeah, but, you know, but, you know, but.

1243
00:57:33.212 --> 00:57:35.988
But it makes sense as far as, like, with that.

1244
00:57:36.036 --> 00:57:38.860
With. With deep Scene N, because he's always been, like, the.

1245
00:57:38.932 --> 00:57:41.544
You know, he's always been the butt of the jokes and.

1246
00:57:42.524 --> 00:57:45.412
And really gets into his psyche as far as him. We

1247
00:57:45.468 --> 00:57:48.404
wanted to be the little. Little mini homelander, you know?

1248
00:57:49.254 --> 00:57:52.208
but, But you're right. I mean, the. The conversation

1249
00:57:52.256 --> 00:57:55.252
that a train and tech had, like I

1250
00:57:55.268 --> 00:57:57.844
said, the payoff with all

1251
00:57:57.884 --> 00:58:00.836
the other crap that went on with how

1252
00:58:00.860 --> 00:58:03.722
they treated Huey. you know, the. The. When

1253
00:58:03.738 --> 00:58:05.574
the butler, like, who

1254
00:58:08.034 --> 00:58:10.414
basically was the, quote unquote Alfred

1255
00:58:11.074 --> 00:58:13.986
for. For tech, you know, takes them out and, you

1256
00:58:14.010 --> 00:58:16.602
know, and they sent all the money off. It makes.

1257
00:58:16.698 --> 00:58:19.268
It, makes that whole

1258
00:58:19.396 --> 00:58:22.284
secret story, I guess, b

1259
00:58:22.324 --> 00:58:25.242
story in this episode. worth. I won't

1260
00:58:25.258 --> 00:58:27.802
say worth it, but it was a good payoff for that

1261
00:58:27.858 --> 00:58:30.810
because, you know, and you're right, the writing. It's like

1262
00:58:30.962 --> 00:58:33.482
whenever the writing is on point, like, for

1263
00:58:33.498 --> 00:58:36.118
example, calling out the prison

1264
00:58:36.166 --> 00:58:39.054
industrial complex. Yeah.

1265
00:58:39.174 --> 00:58:42.166
With the soups and everything, you know, those are. That's where I feel

1266
00:58:42.190 --> 00:58:44.678
like the show excels. I mean, like, for example, when.

1267
00:58:44.726 --> 00:58:47.606
When Newman was getting mansplained to a senator

1268
00:58:47.670 --> 00:58:50.604
about the. About abortion and stuff, and,

1269
00:58:50.604 --> 00:58:53.524
her head. Her own head pops. That's when the show, like, bites. And

1270
00:58:53.532 --> 00:58:56.452
I'm like, yes. I kind of crack. I was like. I just laughed

1271
00:58:56.476 --> 00:58:59.220
out loud because I'm like, yeah, that's, you know, even before we started

1272
00:58:59.260 --> 00:59:02.198
recording, I was just talking about how. How a lot

1273
00:59:02.214 --> 00:59:05.062
of things in this show are mirroring, you know. You know, art is

1274
00:59:05.086 --> 00:59:08.086
mirroring life or vice versa. But that's

1275
00:59:08.118 --> 00:59:10.806
where, you know, that's where this show pops, because it's telling us

1276
00:59:10.838 --> 00:59:13.782
something other than just gratuitous. I

1277
00:59:13.806 --> 00:59:15.850
felt the scene with who he was. Gratuitous?

1278
00:59:16.590 --> 00:59:18.918
>> Sarah : Yeah. I don't know

1279
00:59:19.014 --> 00:59:21.094
if gratuitous. Just

1280
00:59:21.142 --> 00:59:23.942
uncomfortable. I mean, and I've had a few

1281
00:59:23.966 --> 00:59:26.462
of those. Like, there was

1282
00:59:26.606 --> 00:59:29.260
one scene with, the big episode

1283
00:59:29.348 --> 00:59:31.556
when Homelander goes home that I was like,

1284
00:59:32.436 --> 00:59:35.216
I couldn't. That took me out. That went too far for me.

1285
00:59:35.836 --> 00:59:38.656
And again, it was. Because it was so extended.

1286
00:59:38.956 --> 00:59:41.924
I'm like, I don't want to be here for that long.

1287
00:59:41.980 --> 00:59:44.732
I'm okay with being here because I understand

1288
00:59:44.844 --> 00:59:46.900
this universe. I've lived in it for four

1289
00:59:46.988 --> 00:59:49.828
seasons. But you don't have

1290
00:59:49.852 --> 00:59:52.740
to cram it down my throat because then

1291
00:59:52.788 --> 00:59:55.436
it just comes to becoming gratuitous

1292
00:59:55.516 --> 00:59:58.492
and just not something I want to

1293
00:59:58.524 --> 01:00:01.056
continue watching. Like, it's one thing to

1294
01:00:01.096 --> 01:00:04.048
make a viewer uncomfortable and to

1295
01:00:04.072 --> 01:00:07.000
push that boundary, but the

1296
01:00:07.048 --> 01:00:09.970
longer a, viewer sits in that uncomfortability, they're more

1297
01:00:10.010 --> 01:00:12.970
likely. They're like, you know what? I actually

1298
01:00:13.050 --> 01:00:16.026
don't have to watch this. I can just fast forward through this part.

1299
01:00:16.178 --> 01:00:16.910
>> Will: Yeah.

1300
01:00:21.130 --> 01:00:24.050
Maybe what we're experiencing is how some people who may

1301
01:00:24.090 --> 01:00:27.070
have some views that are, you know, more in line

1302
01:00:27.110 --> 01:00:30.046
with Homelander and some of the, you know, the Stan

1303
01:00:30.078 --> 01:00:32.966
eggers of the world and the federalist

1304
01:00:32.998 --> 01:00:35.646
folks who they were having the party

1305
01:00:35.718 --> 01:00:38.690
at, how they feel when they, whenever they watch those scenes, because they're,

1306
01:00:38.722 --> 01:00:39.774
like, talking about.

1307
01:00:42.034 --> 01:00:43.414
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah.

1308
01:00:45.234 --> 01:00:48.154
I. Ah, so I.

1309
01:00:48.274 --> 01:00:51.134
It's funny, I forgo. I knew

1310
01:00:51.784 --> 01:00:54.728
when, when Sage gets shot, I'm like, oh,

1311
01:00:54.776 --> 01:00:57.520
well, they don't. They don't remember that. They don't

1312
01:00:57.552 --> 01:01:00.496
know. Her brain read self regenerates.

1313
01:01:00.560 --> 01:01:03.440
She'll be fine. I had forgotten, though.

1314
01:01:03.472 --> 01:01:04.724
She gets stupid.

1315
01:01:05.984 --> 01:01:08.824
>> Will: I didn't, but I did not. I was like,

1316
01:01:08.864 --> 01:01:11.840
oh, I saw what this day. I was like, oh, I see where this is

1317
01:01:11.872 --> 01:01:12.444
going.

1318
01:01:13.264 --> 01:01:16.240
>> Sarah : Yeah, I didn't. And, I like that

1319
01:01:16.362 --> 01:01:18.660
because then we got the scene where

1320
01:01:18.692 --> 01:01:20.984
Homelander tries to

1321
01:01:21.284 --> 01:01:24.196
play politics and realizes very

1322
01:01:24.260 --> 01:01:26.648
quickly, no.

1323
01:01:26.736 --> 01:01:29.722
And he just has this, great

1324
01:01:29.778 --> 01:01:32.014
way of coming off as

1325
01:01:32.474 --> 01:01:35.374
frustrated but not at himself.

1326
01:01:35.674 --> 01:01:38.642
>> Will: Right? Yeah. Yeah. I

1327
01:01:38.658 --> 01:01:41.146
was like, when that whole sequence is going, I was like, okay,

1328
01:01:41.170 --> 01:01:43.934
now, when is this going to start lasering people?

1329
01:01:45.154 --> 01:01:48.002
Right? Because he had that look, you know. You know, whatever. I

1330
01:01:48.018 --> 01:01:50.762
mean, Antony Starr, you know, I know

1331
01:01:50.778 --> 01:01:53.572
we talked about, earlier this season where

1332
01:01:53.748 --> 01:01:56.332
we should get the hardware, but, I mean,

1333
01:01:56.428 --> 01:01:59.284
it's. Every episode is just like another

1334
01:01:59.404 --> 01:02:02.084
thing for his FYC reel because,

1335
01:02:02.164 --> 01:02:05.036
like, the. The facial twix. Twix that

1336
01:02:05.060 --> 01:02:07.898
he has, where, whether it's

1337
01:02:07.986 --> 01:02:10.850
the scene at the end with Firecracker or

1338
01:02:10.882 --> 01:02:13.410
during this or during this dinner

1339
01:02:13.442 --> 01:02:16.054
party, I mean, it's just. It just

1340
01:02:16.434 --> 01:02:19.370
reinforces out the amazing work that he's doing this season

1341
01:02:19.402 --> 01:02:20.494
with this character.

1342
01:02:20.994 --> 01:02:23.474
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. He. He does

1343
01:02:23.514 --> 01:02:25.654
it every season.

1344
01:02:27.104 --> 01:02:29.320
this season is no different.

1345
01:02:29.472 --> 01:02:29.968
>> Will: Yeah.

1346
01:02:30.056 --> 01:02:32.790
>> Sarah : And, Oh, and then we got

1347
01:02:32.822 --> 01:02:35.398
more Kimiko going to try to visit

1348
01:02:35.486 --> 01:02:38.074
Frenchie and failing to

1349
01:02:38.234 --> 01:02:41.104
because he doesn't want visitation. but she got

1350
01:02:41.144 --> 01:02:43.864
nowhere else to go, which I thought was a line, even

1351
01:02:43.904 --> 01:02:46.416
though I'm really annoyed by this whole

1352
01:02:46.520 --> 01:02:49.304
Frenchie and Kimiko are not together situation.

1353
01:02:49.424 --> 01:02:52.168
>> Will: But yeah, yeah, I'm just. Yeah,

1354
01:02:52.256 --> 01:02:54.976
that. That the whole Frenchie story this season is

1355
01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:57.944
just not hitting with me at all. I could really,

1356
01:02:57.984 --> 01:03:00.804
at this point, I'm just not invested to care less about it.

1357
01:03:01.364 --> 01:03:04.356
the thing that was interesting to me, though, is the a

1358
01:03:04.380 --> 01:03:06.932
train mother's milk, dynamic. And,

1359
01:03:08.202 --> 01:03:10.874
where with, you know, obviously with a

1360
01:03:10.898 --> 01:03:13.714
train saving both rushing mother's

1361
01:03:13.738 --> 01:03:16.610
milk to the hospital, you know, at first they played it

1362
01:03:16.626 --> 01:03:19.458
like it was a heart attack, but, of course, we later learned it was actually more of a panic

1363
01:03:19.490 --> 01:03:22.436
attack. But, But just, you know, I guess they continue

1364
01:03:22.524 --> 01:03:25.284
to, like, deepen a train's redemption arc,

1365
01:03:25.388 --> 01:03:27.908
especially whenever you saw the reaction of the young kid

1366
01:03:28.060 --> 01:03:30.540
there when he, you know, when he put mother's milk on the

1367
01:03:30.556 --> 01:03:31.312
stretcher.

1368
01:03:32.222 --> 01:03:34.958
>> Sarah : I don't. I don't feel like it's a redemption arc. I

1369
01:03:34.990 --> 01:03:37.694
feel as though he had his redemption arc,

1370
01:03:37.798 --> 01:03:40.134
but now we're getting in post redemption

1371
01:03:40.198 --> 01:03:42.974
territory, trying to make him

1372
01:03:43.038 --> 01:03:44.482
a member of the boys,

1373
01:03:45.622 --> 01:03:48.366
switching a traitor, a traitor

1374
01:03:48.414 --> 01:03:51.246
to homelander. But. But at the same

1375
01:03:51.294 --> 01:03:53.678
time, he's. He's just a ticking time

1376
01:03:53.750 --> 01:03:56.598
bomb on as

1377
01:03:56.630 --> 01:03:59.316
a member of the seven. So he's.

1378
01:03:59.404 --> 01:04:02.332
He's over there and he's

1379
01:04:02.372 --> 01:04:04.960
also. Okay, he's a, MacGuffin for, like,

1380
01:04:05.128 --> 01:04:08.112
when the boys are in trouble. Oh, well, a train

1381
01:04:08.144 --> 01:04:10.912
just so happens to show up and is able to take them to

1382
01:04:10.944 --> 01:04:13.736
safety. So

1383
01:04:13.816 --> 01:04:16.808
they can't use Annie anymore. They just

1384
01:04:16.872 --> 01:04:18.032
switch him out.

1385
01:04:18.224 --> 01:04:18.996
>> Will: Yeah.

1386
01:04:20.016 --> 01:04:22.392
>> Sarah : I'm just gonna call spade a spade.

1387
01:04:22.544 --> 01:04:24.924
Yeah, definitely being used as a tool

1388
01:04:24.980 --> 01:04:27.564
there. They've done some very,

1389
01:04:27.740 --> 01:04:30.534
very similar things with Ashley, too, on, that

1390
01:04:30.582 --> 01:04:33.478
side where they've demoted her, and now she's

1391
01:04:33.534 --> 01:04:36.278
also someone in an alliance with a train,

1392
01:04:36.374 --> 01:04:38.974
and she just randomly is showing up at

1393
01:04:39.022 --> 01:04:41.702
places because, I mean, Ashley's a

1394
01:04:41.726 --> 01:04:43.710
staple to this show, so.

1395
01:04:43.790 --> 01:04:46.782
>> Will: She is. Yeah. I mean, yeah, she's the other one

1396
01:04:46.806 --> 01:04:49.748
as far as, like, who, should definitely get some

1397
01:04:49.844 --> 01:04:52.588
consideration because she does. I mean, Kobe Benefy

1398
01:04:52.604 --> 01:04:55.280
does such wonderful work with that character.

1399
01:04:56.100 --> 01:04:58.968
Yeah, yeah. but,

1400
01:04:58.940 --> 01:05:01.548
yeah, but, you know, but, yeah. And

1401
01:05:01.572 --> 01:05:04.492
Newman, too. You know, we finally do since

1402
01:05:04.524 --> 01:05:06.456
we're getting closer and closer to the,

1403
01:05:08.016 --> 01:05:10.968
end of the season, you know, of course, she still

1404
01:05:10.992 --> 01:05:13.448
doesn't out herself, I don't think, as a

1405
01:05:13.472 --> 01:05:16.320
supervisor. Only watched episode once. I can't remember. But

1406
01:05:16.368 --> 01:05:19.274
I think she. She, she, you know, she, you know,

1407
01:05:19.290 --> 01:05:22.138
she steps in and plays the political game and

1408
01:05:22.282 --> 01:05:25.178
tells the crowd what they want to hear. And, of course, they do get it

1409
01:05:25.202 --> 01:05:27.562
recorded. So, you know, so, again, they.

1410
01:05:27.634 --> 01:05:30.546
They get another piece of leverage over

1411
01:05:30.586 --> 01:05:33.570
Newman, with. With the whole 25th amendment,

1412
01:05:34.380 --> 01:05:36.868
you know, conspiracy that she has with. With Sage and

1413
01:05:36.884 --> 01:05:38.040
Homelander. So,

1414
01:05:39.520 --> 01:05:41.630
yeah. And who knows, you know?

1415
01:05:43.040 --> 01:05:46.024
you know, so we'll see how. How they exploit that going

1416
01:05:46.072 --> 01:05:46.660
forward.

1417
01:05:48.080 --> 01:05:51.008
>> Sarah : Yeah. All right. Well,

1418
01:05:51.104 --> 01:05:54.032
that is it for us tonight, will, why don't you tell our listeners where

1419
01:05:54.056 --> 01:05:55.192
they can find you?

1420
01:05:55.336 --> 01:05:57.984
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on X from

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01:05:58.112 --> 01:05:59.776
Twitter lmpolk.

1422
01:05:59.808 --> 01:06:02.288
Willmmpolk.

1423
01:06:02.464 --> 01:06:05.450
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01:06:25.200 --> 01:06:25.552
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