Dragons and Supes: House of the Dragon Episode 6 "Smallfolk" and The Boys Season Four Finale!

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>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is staying in Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with me,

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as always, is our mister producer, will polk. How are you doing tonight,

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will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. I think the, 2024

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script writers just threw out the script, and they're just

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rewriting it as it goes.

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>> Sarah : 2024?

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>> Will: I mean, really. I mean, I know we're talking House of the dragon and du Bois

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tonight, which has all the political imaginations and all that stuff,

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but the last ten days has just been wild. I mean, House of

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Cards be any of these west wing, any of

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these shows that could not have come up, but a stranger script in

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this.

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>> Sarah : How about House of Cards? Watch.

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>> Will: You know, I never watched that show, but I know, I know about

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it. And, like, the story, you know, how Kevin

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Spacey's character, like, all the

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mechanics and stuff, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I know I saw, like, even before Biden announced, like, sundae

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that before that he was dropping out, I saw a tweet, like, earlier in the day,

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like, Aaron Swarton, who wrote the west wing, was, like,

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came up with some crazy scenario and stuff. And then,

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of course, you know, a couple hours later, he. Biden was gone.

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But, yeah, it's just,

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I'm looking forward to precedent at times.

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>> Sarah : Right, right. Yeah.

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House of Cards is always a weird show

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to look back on because, well, a

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Kevin Spacey association. But at the same

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time, I remember it being so big, I

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feel like I've only Scene the first full season.

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I've only Scene that. And

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I don't think everything, like, the downfall of

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Spacey came until, like, season four or something.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. That's all right. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I don't really remember, like, the timeline is a bit

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blurry there, but. But, yeah. that's.

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That's. That show is such

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a weird thing. I wonder

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how people will think about it, like, ten years

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from now because it's changed already.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Oh, man. We got a new joker

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trailer now. I did watch

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it. I'm not watch anymore. I'm not going to watch

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anymore. I'm going to try to avoid it. I

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don't need to see anymore. I

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am glad that both trailers so far have not

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really been constructed, in a way, to tell you

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the exact plot.

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>> Will: Looking at you marvel.

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>> Sarah : Look. Yeah. Yeah. Well, looking at a lot of

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people. Okay. A, lot of studios do that shit these

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days, so I just.

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I don't really know. And. And

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something to point out that I find very

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interesting is this is a

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musical, and you got Lady Gaga, you have yet

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to hear her sing. I don't want to hear her sing until I'm in the

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theater.

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>> Will: Yep. You know what? I'm glad. Yeah. I

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will say that when I was watching the trailer, I was wondering

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how, you know, when I heard it was going to be a musical, I was wondering

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how it was going to, like, flow. And I think

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the trailer did give us sort of a, I guess, a

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flavor of how they're going to integrate the

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musical aspects of this movie, you

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know, into the, into the flow of

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the film. So it's not, I don't think it's going to, you know,

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it's, I don't think it's going to maybe not like a Vita or some other, like,

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you know, musical film or

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even like Hamilton or something like that, but I think it will have

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musical numbers interspersed without, when they're telling stories.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. It's not going to be a true

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musical, I think, is what you're trying to get at. It's going to

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be a Joker

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musical.

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>> Will: Yeah, exactly, exactly. And it's all, yeah, it is

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like all in Arthur Fleck's head. I mean, it's all watching else, like,

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okay, yeah, this is as dark as the, the

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first one was. And, you know, I don't think I have, even

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though I really enjoyed the first film, to this

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day I have not rewatched it.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. I always think about that when people start

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talking about their love of the joker. I'm like,

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I liked it. I've actually Scene it

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twice because for some reason I had to put

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my parents through that

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experience. And then about

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halfway through I'm like, why? This isn't for them at

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all. but they're a big fan of

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Joaquin Phoenix, so how can you not? And I have a

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feeling they have forgotten about

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that experience. And when I say it's Joaquin

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Phoenix and Lady Gaga, they're gonna want to watch that because they

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like Lady Gaga as well. I mean, who

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doesn't? Especially when, you know, she, like, she,

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that she can sing

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really well.

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>> Will: So, I was really digging her

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Harley Quinn and, and they made the total right

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call. I mean, even, I mean, one just, I was just thinking as I

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was watching it, tonally, it would not have worked

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to have Margot Robbie's version of that character

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in this joker film. They had to

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recast just to like, because the tones is so

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different from the version that we've Scene in the

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DCU. Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And, we don't know if Margot Robbie can carry a tune

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so musical.

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this bit of news. I don't know how to feel about this

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anymore because frankly, I

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just. The phases and

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everything. This is 2024.

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I feel like the heyday of.

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I know Comic Con is coming up, so this

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is kind of a timely point for me to make. The

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heyday of Comic Con announcements,

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buzz, plans, phases

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and all of this is just

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so I'm over it because

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of all the disappointment that has occurred since

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that becoming, like, a popular thing to do because of

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the number of projects that get announced and the number of

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things that change. And then you got the

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director swapping madness.

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And this all leads to the current headline

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that has been going around about how the

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Russo brothers, now, I'm pretty sure it's not a

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confirmed, confirmed, but they, it looks

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like they are returning to direct

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secret wars and

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then the unnamed.

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>> Will: So Avengers five. Yeah, Avengers five and secret wars.

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>> Sarah : Those are the two secret wars and avengers five.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I said my.

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>> Will: Yeah, you're right. I mean, it is, yeah, because, I know the

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Hollywood Reporter, broke it. It's like a

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minute before Jeff Snyder and John Rocha broke

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it, broke it on their show last week. and

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as far as the Russo brothers at least are

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in talks about coming back. But then

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I was seeing some, you know, Kevin Feige has

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been everywhere. Obviously, that's given a deadpool is premiering this

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weekend. And I did see a story in inverse

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where he was just like, you know,

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this is one more rumor of the week.

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was probably just playing coy because as you said, comic Con

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is coming up next weekend,

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and so he's probably waiting to do

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any grand announcements as far as

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directors and actors and

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projects and all that kind of thing that we've gotten used to, given,

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especially that they're, doing a special Deadpool

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show, on Thursday next week. And

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then, and then, of course, they'll have the normal hall h

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presentation on Saturday. So there's gonna be a lot of

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marvel at Comic Con this,

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this year. So we'll see what happens.

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I mean, speaking of Deadpool, I was, you know, I know there

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was a big spoiler and into your point about the Joker

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trailer. I'm, at that place, too, where it's

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just like, I don't need to see anything more. And I've been overall

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pretty.

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>> Sarah : I don't know this spoiler. I don't know the spoiler.

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>> Will: And I'm not going to say it. I'm not going to say it because I don't want to spoil it for

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folks who haven't seen it.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I heard about this, but I

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don't know what exactly it is because I

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have a very protected bubble. Wrong.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not going to. I'm not going to do that to

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you or to our listeners. If you've Scene it, you

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know, you know, if you don't know, you'll. But apparently.

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But also related to that, Marvel has also

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said that they have put a lot of fake news out there

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as well. So we'll see what.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I. You know, and I would believe that

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with Deadpool marketing because of Ryan

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Reynolds. I mean, like. And, I'm

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also very, like. Like, I can't say this

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enough. I really have not

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watched any of the trailers since maybe that first

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one. but I have enjoyed watching

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Hugh Jackman and Ryland Reynolds promote.

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and if anybody, like, in

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preparation for Friday is just wanting more and

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more of those two in costume,

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just go check out stray kids music video. Chick, chick,

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boom. They make a special cameo appearance that

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apparently Marvel had no idea they were

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doing.

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>> Will: Oh, really?

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>> Sarah : They said that they showed behind the scenes,

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clip and, where they're watching their

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cameo in the music video and being interviewed by

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two of the members, Felix and Christopher,

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aka chom.

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and Ryan, just out of nowhere, is like,

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you know what the best thing about this is? Marvel had no

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idea I did this.

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>> Will: That's awesome.

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>> Sarah : And I wanted to say, dude, he was there as well.

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Yeah. And apparently on Friday, they're going to be on hot,

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hot ones, so I'm looking forward to

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that. I am one of

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the viewers of hot ones who fast forwards to

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the bomb one.

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That's what gets everyone.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : That's when it really changes.

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all right, well, you will get our

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full spoiler thoughts,

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reviews on everything Deadpool and

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Wolverine next week. but for right

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now, we are gonna start with, actually

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the season four finale of the

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boys, episode eight, which

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had its names changed for obvious

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reasons. but the IMDb

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summary is calling on all patriots. We will

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not allow the stolen election to be certified

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tomorrow. We must stop Bob Singer's woke

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anti soup agenda. Prepare for war.

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Where we. Hashtag where we go one,

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we go. Vought. You think

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Homelander created that?

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>> Will: Yeah, that sounds a very homelander esque. Or

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firecracker thing.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, fire.

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Firecracker. Which, I

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don't. The whole

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coughing, whole situation, I was like,

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oh. And then five minutes later, it's

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meds.

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>> Will: I was just thinking with the look that he gave her, I

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saw the probably the best, like, meme from that. It was

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of that whole scene was, going back

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to the COVID days, and, somebody was like, that cough was

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like, that had to be a whole play on Covid. I mean,

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that's what I think they're trying to get at.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, you're absolutely right. Completely over my

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head. Did not think about that the whole time. Because.

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Because me, I'm just like, that's the woman whose

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tits you continue to suck on and who's producing

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milk for you. Like, I was more focused on that

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than thinking, oh, this is an analogy.

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>> Will: Well, that's when the boys, you know, thinking of the

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season as a whole. And I mentioned this last week, and even more and

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more so when I was watching the finale, and just

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especially with all the real

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world events going on, on top of

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it, I think I like this season. But

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I. Now that we have the full season in the books, just to give my

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overall thoughts, just to start us off,

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boys better when they are more

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satirical and not on and not so out

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front and direct with the things they're poking

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fun at, because I just felt like this season was

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just like. It was just so on the nose

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and so pointed that to me, it

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lost its edge. And what

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the satire and the things

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that. What the prior seasons did so

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well, I thought this season, it

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got those kind of things kind of weighed down the

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story in some respect, in many

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respects. But I still enjoyed the

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finale.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I think the finale was arguably the

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best episode of the season. I know we talked about that

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last week, but it did seem to.

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and it started fine. I just.

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is I don't necessarily

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agree about this, because

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I think it's the same level, for me of the

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satire that they plan. But at this point,

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I'm getting more of, like, you got any new

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tricks? Like, what else do you got to show? Like,

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I feel as though, and especially

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if you think about how I've spoken about

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specifically the storylines dealing with the

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boys themselves, I feel like we're just going

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in circles. Like, it doesn't feel

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as though these characters are really

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growing and.

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Or they have grown, but that

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was so season three.

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Like. Like, well, now haven't evolved character,

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what do we do? We just keep going on, and it's

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just. I'm starting to get a little tired. So

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I'm glad that we're approaching the last

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season. I don't think they can stretch this out

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anymore. And as,

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like, Antony Starr is so good in

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his role, but even him,

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like, it's not enough for me anymore. I'm just like.

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this has arguably been the most

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unbalanced where I felt like I

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just want to fast forward into anything

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to do with the supes because, like, arguably, we always

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talk about Antony Starr, but Chase Crawford,

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he owns that role so

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much and is so good and has such great

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timing that it's perfect. And then

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even, like, a train had some interesting

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things going on. I didn't make a note. I'm like, this

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whole season finale, I'm like, where's a train? Where is a

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train? Where is a train?

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I'm wondering if when Annie, like,

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escapes, like, she gonna just so happen to

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find herself with wherever a train

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is. And, yeah, so.

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So, like, I just. All of

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that stuff. Meanwhile, the boy stuff,

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I mean, especially the decision to

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isolate butch even further,

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it somewhat paid off in the finale, but,

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damn, I did not like the journey we took to

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get there.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I hear you there. Well, and

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I guess, with butcher,

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I I felt like it was,

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like, five steps forward and, like, six steps back

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with him the way things like.

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Because. And. But I guess, at his core, I mean, this

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is who he is. I mean, Gessler is that

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aspect of his personality. That

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is what's been driving him on,

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all. All along. And now, you

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know, we have that cancer v bot stuff that's in

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there. That is probably that. It just

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exacerbates it. So, So, you know,

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we. So, I did like the journey for me. I actually. I did like the

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journey that Butcher was going on because it was something different. We were

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seeing that humanizing side of the

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character that we hadn't seen before in

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his interactions with Ryan. And especially, like, in

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this episode where he was.

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There were two things. One, just the. The phone

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call that he gave to Hueye, whenever they had.

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Whenever the phone call there, and. And

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just how heartfelt

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and how soft and how vulnerable Butcher was in that

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moment. You know, Butcher never likes to show vulnerability. So that's. That's

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the one thing that I like there. And then, of course, the whole interaction with

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Ryan and as Grace was coming in, Malloy was coming in

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there, and, you know, Butcher had everything

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lined up that if Grace had just stayed out of the way,

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Brian, you know, everything was queued up that they probably could have

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gotten what they wanted out of Ryan in a less

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confrontational way. But of course, no, she goes all

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full CIA and of course fucks things up, and

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then we see what happens.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, but, I mean, the truth was going to come out

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eventually, so.

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>> Will: Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. And he didn't kill Butch. He killed her. So.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : So I. I, Can

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I. So I find it interesting you bring

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up those two scenes in particular just because

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when I saw the scene with Hughie, I

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immediately was like, this is what's been missing this entire

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season because they chose to isolate

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Butch. Like Hughie and

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Butch is like, their friendship,

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their brotherly bond, whatever you want

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to call it, is really

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somewhat of the heart of the show.

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And so the fact that they have been on their

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separate storylines for majority of the

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season, like,

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I can't, like, you could probably count on one hand how many

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times they've actually interacted. And I just

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like that. That's just bad. And

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I did like the scene with Ryan, but at the same

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time. Okay, I'm gonna say something that's gonna probably be

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mean. I, think I would like

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the Ryan storyline a little bit more

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if they had a different actor. I just. There's something about this

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kid that working for

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you. He. It's not.

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No, no. And like,

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like, I. It

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just. Yeah,

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it's just not working for me. so. And it

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took me until now to actually really think about

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that, of maybe I'm just having a problem because

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this has been a lot of, like, butcher with Ryan, a lot

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of Homelander with Ryan. And it's just like, okay,

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okay. But I mean, that's hard. I mean, you're talking

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about, like, Carl Urban and Antony

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Starr playing opposite of for 90% of

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the time, like, and you're

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just a little kid actor is probably 1st, 2nd

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role. So. So hat off on

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what he's done. I just don't.

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Yeah, it's. I don't know, it just

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is me.

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>> Will: Do you think it's the actor or you think it's just how

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the scenes and the set pieces that they set

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up for him?

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>> Sarah : Well, I can't say for sure just because I've

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never seen him in anything else.

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>> Will: Okay. Okay.

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>> Sarah : I can't. I think it's probably

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a combination. but I feel as though I've expressed

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that something that,

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I do want to give a shout out to because I

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don't think we talk about her enough is, Erin

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Moriarty, who plays Annie. she

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was a standout in this episode.

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>> Will: Agreed.

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>> Sarah : And I was. And I'm shocked just because,

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like, I know Aaron Moriarty can act.

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Okay. Jessica Jones, season one.

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Okay.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : Have you Scene that?

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>> Will: I have. I have. Okay. Yeah, that's

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the Netflix shows. Normal shows I have watched.

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Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Okay. Okay. So, like, I

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know, but I feel as though for

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majority of this series,

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we've been sleeping on Andy a bit. Okay. We've

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been sleeping on her. And then to have an

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episode where she

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plays off herself,

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and it's some of, like, those

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scenes, I was just fully engaged. I

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was fully engaged. Fascinated

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by the differences between her as the shifter

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and then her. Herself. And it just.

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It worked on so many levels. And then to get

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the fighting, I do want to point out,

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kimiko. Okay.

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I know that if you break your neck, you

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can heal, but come on, guys, stop putting her out

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there as this great fighter and then immediately

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allowing the villain to take her down only for

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the real fight to happen. Like, how many times has

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that happened?

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. It's like,

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yeah, yeah. You definitely have to have a. Take a shot each

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time that happens. You make a drinking game out of it.

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>> Sarah : Right. Like. Like, I. This episode that

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occurred to me, and I'm just like, she's too much of a macguffin at

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this point. Point. but, yeah. And then

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for her to,

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confront Huey about

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the affair with the

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shooter, was a

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really. And just a reminder because to

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an extent, it's also felt, I mean, you had the whole

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Huey dad storyline

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where. And so for a lot of the season, you

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also had those two somewhat in

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different places, and them coming together

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at the end of this episode, kind

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of, it's just like.

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And I feel as though, I mean, Kimiko and Frenchie,

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same thing. I think, majority

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wise, why I have an issue with

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the boys half of the season is

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because those characters work

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so well together. And yet, if you're really

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dissecting their storylines, they've spent. Been on

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so many separate journeys, and, I can

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understand to extent why it's just

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not something I'm, like, eager to watch,

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necessarily.

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>> Will: Yeah, I would agree with you there. I mean, I think,

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that they are better as a

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unit than each individual

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story because. But I think because

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we think it back to the season, each person,

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like, there were points in Huey's story where you're kind of like, where are they

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going with this? Or, And with Annie, I

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think it was very uneven because I think she had

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whatever she had the issues there with.

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With Firecracker and going into her

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backstory. And. And,

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of course, the moment there with starlighters on the state whenever

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she beat down Firecracker

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on the stage. and then I guess we got her

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again in tech, tech Knight's place. But,

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but yeah, it just, I mean, I think they were like

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nothing really. I

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mean, the, I think the moment, wherever

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she was, had been revealed that she had an abortion.

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I think that was a very powerful moment for her as far as

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in the middle part of the show. But other, other, but

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the rest of it was just sort of like there nothing that

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really just jumps out.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

505
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>> Will: But, but, this, this, this the finale,

506
00:23:23.770 --> 00:23:26.668
you know, you know, starting with the, shifter

507
00:23:26.724 --> 00:23:29.668
for, I guess, the last act of the penultimate. And

508
00:23:29.684 --> 00:23:32.588
of course, and this episode really, really shines. And

509
00:23:32.604 --> 00:23:34.800
then even

510
00:23:35.220 --> 00:23:37.908
only interaction with Huey. But also when they were there with

511
00:23:37.924 --> 00:23:40.378
Dakota Bob in the, in the, bunker

512
00:23:40.556 --> 00:23:43.406
and, you know, all of

513
00:23:43.430 --> 00:23:45.942
that, the whole doppelganger shifter,

514
00:23:46.038 --> 00:23:48.694
anything really, really, really worked. Well. I thought

515
00:23:48.734 --> 00:23:51.382
that she was definitely, I think even, even, I

516
00:23:51.398 --> 00:23:54.358
think I saw her tv line, like, recognized her as performer of

517
00:23:54.366 --> 00:23:55.794
the week because of that performance.

518
00:23:56.214 --> 00:23:59.198
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. The bunker

519
00:23:59.286 --> 00:24:02.216
action, though, was some

520
00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:05.144
of the best fighting sequences I think

521
00:24:05.184 --> 00:24:08.000
they've done. and it, it

522
00:24:08.032 --> 00:24:10.944
just, I felt so nostalgic about it because

523
00:24:10.984 --> 00:24:13.724
it reminded me so much of X Men

524
00:24:14.094 --> 00:24:16.640
m. Like live action X Men movies.

525
00:24:16.712 --> 00:24:19.240
Specifically X Men two when they

526
00:24:19.272 --> 00:24:21.644
introduced. Oh, yeah, yeah,

527
00:24:22.144 --> 00:24:25.096
yeah. Nightcrawler. And you have that opening

528
00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:28.104
scene with the president, like the

529
00:24:28.144 --> 00:24:30.976
way the shifter moved, it was a

530
00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:33.816
combination of Nightcrawler and mystique. And it

531
00:24:33.840 --> 00:24:36.518
just, it was so, and I

532
00:24:36.566 --> 00:24:39.534
wonder how much of that was on purpose. Cause it just

533
00:24:39.574 --> 00:24:42.214
took me right back there to when I was a kid watching those

534
00:24:42.254 --> 00:24:42.822
movies.

535
00:24:42.958 --> 00:24:45.554
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point. Good point.

536
00:24:46.014 --> 00:24:47.354
>> Sarah : Yeah. So,

537
00:24:48.654 --> 00:24:50.714
okay, well, you know,

538
00:24:51.734 --> 00:24:54.734
let's talk about somebody else who's kind of been flying under

539
00:24:54.774 --> 00:24:57.074
the radar and had a big moment.

540
00:24:57.374 --> 00:24:59.422
Rip Newman.

541
00:24:59.598 --> 00:25:00.294
>> Will: Yeah.

542
00:25:00.454 --> 00:25:03.300
>> Sarah : Newmandeh. Yeah. because

543
00:25:03.492 --> 00:25:06.300
I've Scene people talk about her mainly because,

544
00:25:06.372 --> 00:25:09.204
again, she's dead. No. If answer

545
00:25:09.244 --> 00:25:12.068
butcher literally

546
00:25:12.116 --> 00:25:14.804
ripped her in half. Ain't no coming back.

547
00:25:14.964 --> 00:25:15.704
>> Will: Nope.

548
00:25:16.044 --> 00:25:18.900
>> Sarah : Dead. And the kid is

549
00:25:18.932 --> 00:25:21.836
gonna go and, and maybe we'll see her

550
00:25:21.860 --> 00:25:24.076
on Gen V one day, likely.

551
00:25:24.220 --> 00:25:26.004
>> Will: Yeah. Should they go to the school? Yeah.

552
00:25:26.124 --> 00:25:28.980
>> Sarah : Yep. Yep. Gonna, gonna go and meet up with those

553
00:25:29.012 --> 00:25:30.884
cool kids. So,

554
00:25:33.304 --> 00:25:35.864
and she had a moment early on in this

555
00:25:35.904 --> 00:25:38.648
episode where she realizes, like,

556
00:25:38.696 --> 00:25:41.304
there's a moment she realizes

557
00:25:41.464 --> 00:25:44.320
how much her quote

558
00:25:44.352 --> 00:25:46.604
unquote, alliance with Homelander

559
00:25:47.744 --> 00:25:50.684
is much more of a threat

560
00:25:51.384 --> 00:25:54.328
than anything else, like, than even the virus

561
00:25:54.376 --> 00:25:57.142
itself. because that is not

562
00:25:57.198 --> 00:25:59.910
someone you want to have control over

563
00:25:59.982 --> 00:26:02.434
you, much less the world.

564
00:26:03.174 --> 00:26:03.954
>> Will: Yeah.

565
00:26:04.614 --> 00:26:07.494
>> Sarah : So. And then she makes a phone

566
00:26:07.534 --> 00:26:10.430
call to Huey, and they have their.

567
00:26:10.502 --> 00:26:12.718
Their talk. And then Hughie

568
00:26:12.766 --> 00:26:15.390
gives a great

569
00:26:15.542 --> 00:26:18.314
pep talk to the boys. Like,

570
00:26:18.614 --> 00:26:21.502
what does he say? I wrote it down somewhere. Well,

571
00:26:21.598 --> 00:26:24.050
what did he say specifically about?

572
00:26:24.222 --> 00:26:26.810
Oh, if we. If we're ever going to win against

573
00:26:26.882 --> 00:26:28.906
monsters, we need to act human.

574
00:26:29.090 --> 00:26:29.854
>> Will: Yeah.

575
00:26:30.314 --> 00:26:33.154
>> Sarah : Now, that line stuck with me until

576
00:26:33.314 --> 00:26:36.298
Newman was ripped in two. And all I can say is,

577
00:26:36.346 --> 00:26:39.338
in Butcher's defense, he did not hear the speech.

578
00:26:39.426 --> 00:26:42.386
Okay? He did not hear the

579
00:26:42.410 --> 00:26:45.258
speech, therefore completely immune.

580
00:26:45.306 --> 00:26:48.242
Okay. He did not partake in that gathering,

581
00:26:48.418 --> 00:26:51.242
so he did not get the memo, okay? You can't fault him.

582
00:26:51.298 --> 00:26:53.364
He was. He was totally

583
00:26:53.784 --> 00:26:56.584
drugged up on something else, and he just was like,

584
00:26:56.624 --> 00:26:58.884
no, no, give me the virus.

585
00:26:59.364 --> 00:27:02.250
and for a moment, I also thought they were going to use

586
00:27:02.282 --> 00:27:05.202
the virus on Butch and it was going to cure him of whatever

587
00:27:05.258 --> 00:27:08.002
disease he had. Like, it

588
00:27:08.018 --> 00:27:10.466
wouldn't kill him, but it would cure. It would be

589
00:27:10.570 --> 00:27:11.214
because

590
00:27:13.234 --> 00:27:15.602
his powers come from v

591
00:27:15.698 --> 00:27:16.494
itself.

592
00:27:17.594 --> 00:27:20.562
>> Sarah : Like, I just. I don't know. I don't know

593
00:27:20.618 --> 00:27:23.494
if they would have created some kind of thing of, like,

594
00:27:23.914 --> 00:27:26.794
bullshit iology genetic thing that

595
00:27:26.834 --> 00:27:29.754
would have been said, like, so this actually worked reverse.

596
00:27:29.794 --> 00:27:32.674
And so happily ever after. But no, after

597
00:27:32.714 --> 00:27:35.650
this finale, I'm just like, both Butcher and Homelander are gonna

598
00:27:35.682 --> 00:27:38.346
die at the end of the series. Yeah, RFP.

599
00:27:38.530 --> 00:27:41.290
>> Will: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

600
00:27:41.322 --> 00:27:43.714
Newman, you know, her arc throughout this

601
00:27:43.754 --> 00:27:45.564
season, seeing how.

602
00:27:46.544 --> 00:27:49.456
And I'm really glad they went back to. And

603
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:51.856
it really explored Huey and

604
00:27:52.040 --> 00:27:54.856
Newman's relationship and

605
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:57.800
really fleshed that out because, I mean, I remember him working for

606
00:27:57.832 --> 00:28:00.696
her for that brief, you know, on the hill during that

607
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.564
period. And I guess it was the third season.

608
00:28:04.494 --> 00:28:07.462
and. But. But, of course, he

609
00:28:07.478 --> 00:28:09.926
always had the goods on her if she

610
00:28:09.950 --> 00:28:12.872
ever, you know, where. If they ever needed it. And,

611
00:28:12.888 --> 00:28:15.888
of course, obviously, the shifter deleted all that stuff, but. But at the

612
00:28:15.896 --> 00:28:18.712
end of the day, I mean, you know, he, this

613
00:28:18.808 --> 00:28:21.400
season really humanized her, and especially given with her

614
00:28:21.432 --> 00:28:24.154
daughter and, of course, her whole

615
00:28:24.194 --> 00:28:26.554
relationship, you know, how she reconciled things with

616
00:28:26.594 --> 00:28:29.442
Edgar, you know, because, I mean, she, you know, even

617
00:28:29.498 --> 00:28:31.334
after he was, like,

618
00:28:32.314 --> 00:28:34.714
was with the boys a few episodes

619
00:28:34.754 --> 00:28:37.628
back, and, was getting taken

620
00:28:37.676 --> 00:28:40.676
back to prison. I mean, she had popped, you know, the driver taking them back

621
00:28:40.700 --> 00:28:42.580
to. To the prison. So.

622
00:28:42.732 --> 00:28:45.060
>> Sarah : So Edgar. Where is

623
00:28:45.092 --> 00:28:45.824
Edgar?

624
00:28:46.124 --> 00:28:48.420
>> Will: Yeah, so Edgar's out there, you know,

625
00:28:48.452 --> 00:28:51.436
stands probably Biden is

626
00:28:51.460 --> 00:28:54.274
time, to do. To do what? Who knows?

627
00:28:54.314 --> 00:28:56.994
But I probably come back in and take over Vaughn after

628
00:28:57.034 --> 00:28:59.634
Homelander, like, you know, finally gets taken,

629
00:28:59.918 --> 00:29:02.554
out. But, But, But. But

630
00:29:02.594 --> 00:29:05.242
the new miss, it was that

631
00:29:05.378 --> 00:29:08.290
I was really, you know, one of the things we talked about this

632
00:29:08.322 --> 00:29:10.794
season was, like, the boys

633
00:29:10.914 --> 00:29:13.786
not. Not often regulars

634
00:29:13.890 --> 00:29:16.490
for, you know, for a very. For obvious reasons, but

635
00:29:16.562 --> 00:29:19.530
whenever. Whenever they went there with. With Newman else, it's

636
00:29:19.562 --> 00:29:22.418
like I did feel like I was like, holy shit.

637
00:29:22.546 --> 00:29:25.532
They actually, they wanted to follow through with actually

638
00:29:25.588 --> 00:29:27.968
killing her. And. And

639
00:29:28.016 --> 00:29:30.410
two, I mean, I did feel like

640
00:29:30.602 --> 00:29:33.330
that. It was a lot to me, it was an

641
00:29:33.362 --> 00:29:36.218
earned moment, and it was, like, a logical place where they. Where

642
00:29:36.266 --> 00:29:39.250
the story needed to go to really raise

643
00:29:39.282 --> 00:29:42.174
the stakes for the fifth season.

644
00:29:43.114 --> 00:29:46.010
>> Sarah : Yeah, I agree with that. I don't.

645
00:29:46.202 --> 00:29:49.010
I never was attached to Newman to the

646
00:29:49.042 --> 00:29:51.466
point where I viewed her as

647
00:29:51.530 --> 00:29:54.390
a, big part

648
00:29:54.422 --> 00:29:57.190
of the ensemble, like a

649
00:29:57.222 --> 00:30:00.094
core character. I'm sure logistically

650
00:30:00.174 --> 00:30:02.958
she was a regular, but I just. I never

651
00:30:03.006 --> 00:30:05.734
viewed her in that way. For sure. I have how

652
00:30:05.774 --> 00:30:07.350
sparingly they used her.

653
00:30:07.422 --> 00:30:10.166
>> Will: But, yeah, I saw her

654
00:30:10.270 --> 00:30:13.182
especially, you know, from. From really from season when we were

655
00:30:13.198 --> 00:30:16.134
first introduced to her. And as the character grew,

656
00:30:16.174 --> 00:30:19.126
and then, of course, they had the crossover with Jen v. So I felt like she was

657
00:30:19.150 --> 00:30:22.078
a pretty integral part of this universe. But

658
00:30:22.126 --> 00:30:23.034
at this point.

659
00:30:23.614 --> 00:30:26.344
>> Sarah : Yeah. all right, so

660
00:30:27.124 --> 00:30:29.812
at the end of the day, not only is Newman

661
00:30:29.868 --> 00:30:32.064
dead, but so is Robert Singer.

662
00:30:32.484 --> 00:30:34.464
And this.

663
00:30:35.884 --> 00:30:36.940
>> Will: He's not dead.

664
00:30:37.092 --> 00:30:39.740
>> Sarah : He's not dead. He's in hiding. Where is he?

665
00:30:39.772 --> 00:30:42.140
>> Will: No, he was. He was arrested because that was all

666
00:30:42.172 --> 00:30:42.864
apart.

667
00:30:43.484 --> 00:30:45.924
>> Sarah : They pinned the murder of

668
00:30:45.964 --> 00:30:48.468
Newman on singer. Thank you for correcting

669
00:30:48.516 --> 00:30:51.494
me. on. On new

670
00:30:51.614 --> 00:30:53.782
or on Stinger, which

671
00:30:53.838 --> 00:30:56.742
allows the candidate that they

672
00:30:56.798 --> 00:30:59.474
wanted to win to

673
00:30:59.774 --> 00:31:02.542
get elected. and this all went

674
00:31:02.598 --> 00:31:05.430
according to Sage's plan. So

675
00:31:05.502 --> 00:31:08.294
while Homelander, after running

676
00:31:08.334 --> 00:31:11.102
off Ryan, is

677
00:31:11.158 --> 00:31:14.054
throwing himself a pity party of sorts, watching

678
00:31:14.094 --> 00:31:16.742
the news, Sage comes in,

679
00:31:16.918 --> 00:31:19.686
and, she says, hells, yeah. Blonde and

680
00:31:19.710 --> 00:31:21.714
vision. Buckle up for face to.

681
00:31:22.294 --> 00:31:25.134
>> Will: Yeah, buckle up her face, too. And I was just like,

682
00:31:25.174 --> 00:31:27.822
wow. I mean, that was. And

683
00:31:27.998 --> 00:31:30.782
her motivation for it was just. She just did it

684
00:31:30.798 --> 00:31:33.034
because she just wanted to see if she could do it.

685
00:31:33.984 --> 00:31:36.924
>> Sarah : And, you know, I

686
00:31:37.664 --> 00:31:40.304
do have to commend the writers because Sage is a

687
00:31:40.344 --> 00:31:42.968
very. Has become a very interesting

688
00:31:43.016 --> 00:31:45.680
character, because not

689
00:31:45.752 --> 00:31:48.724
many characters can get away with saying that.

690
00:31:49.464 --> 00:31:51.648
And you actually believing it.

691
00:31:51.816 --> 00:31:52.160
>> Will: Yeah.

692
00:31:52.192 --> 00:31:55.064
>> Sarah : Like, not a cop out. No, no, no. You're talking

693
00:31:55.104 --> 00:31:57.592
about someone who's the smartest person on

694
00:31:57.648 --> 00:31:58.182
earth.

695
00:31:58.328 --> 00:31:59.054
>> Will: Yeah.

696
00:31:59.394 --> 00:32:02.234
>> Sarah : Like, she's bored, so why.

697
00:32:02.354 --> 00:32:05.226
Why would she not? And also, she's

698
00:32:05.250 --> 00:32:07.964
a soup herself to an extent. So,

699
00:32:07.914 --> 00:32:10.744
why, why would she not? And

700
00:32:11.364 --> 00:32:14.244
there, there's so many. It's, it's

701
00:32:14.284 --> 00:32:17.180
very, I find it very clever

702
00:32:17.292 --> 00:32:19.624
how they've,

703
00:32:20.044 --> 00:32:22.824
because we've Scene a lot of, quote unquote,

704
00:32:23.324 --> 00:32:25.842
like, the other evil

705
00:32:25.898 --> 00:32:28.874
guy or the other evil girl throughout the

706
00:32:28.914 --> 00:32:31.914
seasons. Like, what was, what was her in season

707
00:32:31.994 --> 00:32:34.468
two? the storm one.

708
00:32:34.636 --> 00:32:36.964
>> Will: Oh, oh, yeah. Storm. Stormfront.

709
00:32:37.124 --> 00:32:38.220
>> Sarah : Stormfront.

710
00:32:38.372 --> 00:32:38.774
>> Will: Yeah.

711
00:32:39.142 --> 00:32:41.990
>> Sarah : who have had, like, these ideas that align

712
00:32:42.102 --> 00:32:44.514
with Homelander. Ah.

713
00:32:44.694 --> 00:32:47.494
But they've always seemed like, okay,

714
00:32:47.534 --> 00:32:50.510
so that's your cop out. You can't get rid of Homelander. So

715
00:32:50.542 --> 00:32:53.474
you throw this person, and then you get rid of that person

716
00:32:53.574 --> 00:32:56.426
by the end of the season. They haven't used sage in

717
00:32:56.450 --> 00:32:58.494
that way. No, because

718
00:32:59.674 --> 00:33:02.322
she's, she's not necessarily wrong.

719
00:33:02.458 --> 00:33:05.374
She's just on the wrong team to an extent.

720
00:33:05.674 --> 00:33:08.490
>> Will: Yeah. And they set it up so well, too, because I

721
00:33:08.522 --> 00:33:11.402
remember, like, whenever she, kills, was she talking to

722
00:33:11.434 --> 00:33:13.366
Newman or she was talking to someone

723
00:33:13.866 --> 00:33:16.674
about, you know, whenever she came up with a

724
00:33:16.690 --> 00:33:19.298
cure for cancer and a couple other

725
00:33:19.362 --> 00:33:22.232
things. And I, and again, the powers to be, like,

726
00:33:22.264 --> 00:33:24.076
for, you know, that basically

727
00:33:25.056 --> 00:33:28.008
m. Yeah, she was talking to Newman that whenever they had, I guess it was the party

728
00:33:28.032 --> 00:33:30.752
at tech nights, I think. So,

729
00:33:30.864 --> 00:33:33.536
you know, she was just getting. So they, you know, they laid the seats

730
00:33:33.616 --> 00:33:36.616
there to, like, whenever. So whenever she

731
00:33:36.656 --> 00:33:39.626
said, that it was all according to my plan. And, you know, and, of course,

732
00:33:39.666 --> 00:33:42.418
she, and she knew that Homelander would,

733
00:33:42.442 --> 00:33:45.266
like, along the way, would do things to, like, screw things

734
00:33:45.306 --> 00:33:47.848
up because, I mean, I. He. Yeah, that's

735
00:33:47.872 --> 00:33:49.984
Homelander. That's, that's Homelander.

736
00:33:50.120 --> 00:33:52.984
>> Sarah : Yeah. They laid that from the very first scene between

737
00:33:53.040 --> 00:33:55.836
the two of them. Like, all of that.

738
00:33:56.166 --> 00:33:56.746
And,

739
00:33:58.806 --> 00:34:01.466
and so what? And, like, the fact

740
00:34:01.926 --> 00:34:04.374
that, again, he didn't kill

741
00:34:04.430 --> 00:34:06.866
her, we kind of know why

742
00:34:09.046 --> 00:34:12.004
writing. but, but I don't know.

743
00:34:12.060 --> 00:34:15.060
I'll be, I'm kind of excited if I think

744
00:34:15.108 --> 00:34:18.036
about Sage and Homelander. That makes

745
00:34:18.076 --> 00:34:21.044
me curious of, okay, what does season five

746
00:34:21.100 --> 00:34:23.936
look like on that? Because

747
00:34:24.676 --> 00:34:27.016
we have Scene her

748
00:34:27.596 --> 00:34:30.180
get too ahead of herself with whatever she's

749
00:34:30.228 --> 00:34:32.860
doing and step, and step

750
00:34:32.908 --> 00:34:35.628
on, say the wrong thing, press the wrong

751
00:34:35.692 --> 00:34:38.656
button with Homelander. So I don't

752
00:34:38.696 --> 00:34:41.240
know how much she has, quote unquote, learned from

753
00:34:41.288 --> 00:34:44.160
that and is now, even

754
00:34:44.208 --> 00:34:47.192
though her plan worked and he's on her

755
00:34:47.224 --> 00:34:50.072
side again, like, Homelander is the

756
00:34:50.104 --> 00:34:52.756
ficklest character I've ever watched.

757
00:34:53.656 --> 00:34:54.596
>> Will: He is.

758
00:34:56.616 --> 00:34:58.236
Well, he's a narcissist, so.

759
00:35:00.016 --> 00:35:02.360
>> Sarah : It'S the attention that

760
00:35:02.488 --> 00:35:05.190
compels of propels. This entire series

761
00:35:05.278 --> 00:35:07.926
forward is like you see

762
00:35:07.966 --> 00:35:10.502
Homelander in a room. You have no idea what the fuck's about to

763
00:35:10.534 --> 00:35:13.478
happen. Okay? And then the

764
00:35:13.502 --> 00:35:16.374
conversation goes one way, and then. But Homelander's in room.

765
00:35:16.430 --> 00:35:18.926
You still don't know what, really, where we're gonna end here.

766
00:35:18.966 --> 00:35:19.546
So

767
00:35:22.446 --> 00:35:25.254
I'm very excited if I think about season

768
00:35:25.350 --> 00:35:27.810
five through that lens. we

769
00:35:27.858 --> 00:35:30.742
also, we see the start

770
00:35:30.914 --> 00:35:33.666
of the reign of Homelander,

771
00:35:33.966 --> 00:35:36.660
who immediately goes on the

772
00:35:36.748 --> 00:35:39.712
offensive. And, I didn't really care

773
00:35:39.744 --> 00:35:42.472
for how they did this, but classic tv.

774
00:35:42.664 --> 00:35:45.266
Oh, they're getting away. Oh, they're not. and

775
00:35:45.386 --> 00:35:48.370
we quickly see the

776
00:35:48.418 --> 00:35:51.366
coupling of soup

777
00:35:51.986 --> 00:35:54.940
and humans, get pulled

778
00:35:54.972 --> 00:35:57.810
apart just when they're back together. and that includes

779
00:35:57.842 --> 00:36:00.816
Kimiko and Frenchie, as well as Annie and Hughie.

780
00:36:00.970 --> 00:36:03.404
And we see mother's milk not be able to

781
00:36:03.444 --> 00:36:06.222
escape as well. Annie does

782
00:36:06.278 --> 00:36:09.150
escape again. She flies off. We don't know where she's

783
00:36:09.182 --> 00:36:11.950
going, but Hughie's definitely going in one of those

784
00:36:11.982 --> 00:36:13.918
internment camps. Yep, yep.

785
00:36:14.046 --> 00:36:16.868
>> Will: Yeah, Hughie's going to internment camp. Kimiko is

786
00:36:16.916 --> 00:36:19.584
going, well, I guess, go to their

787
00:36:20.564 --> 00:36:23.224
collaborator soup camp.

788
00:36:24.074 --> 00:36:26.914
and then Frenchie looks like Kate was going to use mind

789
00:36:26.954 --> 00:36:28.894
control. And, you know, and obviously,

790
00:36:30.304 --> 00:36:33.286
Frenchie's, chemistry bill abilities, I mean,

791
00:36:33.310 --> 00:36:35.814
will they use them to, like, create

792
00:36:35.854 --> 00:36:38.102
a viral

793
00:36:38.198 --> 00:36:41.060
antitoxin for the. For the virus? will

794
00:36:41.092 --> 00:36:43.876
they use him to, like, you know, create something to

795
00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:46.700
kill other humans? I mean, who knows what they're going to use, Frenchie.

796
00:36:46.732 --> 00:36:49.570
But, you know, it was, it was very interesting that, you know,

797
00:36:49.602 --> 00:36:52.338
Kate was, you know, used her powers to

798
00:36:52.426 --> 00:36:55.410
take him away. Now, he's not going to a camp, but he's definitely

799
00:36:55.442 --> 00:36:57.914
going to some lab somewhere because, I mean, Frenchie

800
00:36:58.074 --> 00:37:01.046
definitely has, has a skill for, for those kind of things. And then,

801
00:37:01.070 --> 00:37:04.050
of course, I did

802
00:37:04.082 --> 00:37:06.840
have a little appreciation there with the, twice now they've, like,

803
00:37:06.872 --> 00:37:09.632
referenced things in the constitution. One was, you know, of course, they did the

804
00:37:09.648 --> 00:37:12.392
25th amendment a few episodes back. And, of course, the

805
00:37:12.408 --> 00:37:15.328
speech, as you said, the speaker was able

806
00:37:15.376 --> 00:37:18.192
to finagle himself because he was, you know, he was there with all

807
00:37:18.208 --> 00:37:20.288
the billionaires there in a tech knight

808
00:37:20.416 --> 00:37:22.690
mansion, to finagle himself

809
00:37:22.802 --> 00:37:25.744
into the presidency. so now you have,

810
00:37:25.694 --> 00:37:28.576
you know, the evil captains of industry, there,

811
00:37:28.680 --> 00:37:31.680
you know, have their guy in the White House, and, and then, of course, he,

812
00:37:31.712 --> 00:37:34.650
you know, he suspends habeas. and so they have Marshall

813
00:37:34.682 --> 00:37:37.530
all now, and, you know, empowers homelander to be

814
00:37:37.562 --> 00:37:40.454
the, I guess the, police. The cop in chief. So,

815
00:37:40.404 --> 00:37:42.494
it, Yeah, it's definitely set up.

816
00:37:43.394 --> 00:37:46.106
Those are little things that really, I think,

817
00:37:46.290 --> 00:37:49.026
where it was a very satisfying finale. And I

818
00:37:49.050 --> 00:37:51.888
am looking forward to season

819
00:37:51.936 --> 00:37:54.864
five coming in 2026. We got a

820
00:37:54.864 --> 00:37:57.612
little time, but, hopefully in the meantime, we'll get.

821
00:37:57.692 --> 00:38:00.644
Well, I guess. I guess maybe season two of Gen v. We

822
00:38:00.668 --> 00:38:02.964
will start. We will see

823
00:38:03.068 --> 00:38:05.484
the start

824
00:38:05.588 --> 00:38:08.548
of these camps and some of the things that they have set up

825
00:38:08.580 --> 00:38:10.912
in this season of the boys.

826
00:38:11.532 --> 00:38:14.234
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. and then the last

827
00:38:14.298 --> 00:38:17.050
mystery is, what. What happened to Ashley

828
00:38:17.106 --> 00:38:18.862
after she took the dose of v?

829
00:38:19.482 --> 00:38:21.982
>> Will: Yeah, I heard. I was watching the geek buddies, and Mike,

830
00:38:21.982 --> 00:38:24.796
Vogel suspected, that she may become,

831
00:38:24.860 --> 00:38:27.340
like, the. Become the Hulk because that's the

832
00:38:27.372 --> 00:38:29.704
one. You made a point that,

833
00:38:31.314 --> 00:38:34.154
the one character we haven't Scene, like the analog

834
00:38:34.194 --> 00:38:36.840
of. And, the boys is the Hulk

835
00:38:36.872 --> 00:38:37.632
character.

836
00:38:37.808 --> 00:38:39.844
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.

837
00:38:40.654 --> 00:38:43.430
Well, that is a wrap on the boys.

838
00:38:43.542 --> 00:38:46.006
Let's head over to Westeros House of

839
00:38:46.030 --> 00:38:48.754
Dragon, episode six, small folk.

840
00:38:49.404 --> 00:38:51.964
IMDb summary is. With few options left,

841
00:38:52.004 --> 00:38:54.860
Renara embarks on a risky venture while

842
00:38:54.932 --> 00:38:57.796
Aemond takes steps to reshape the green

843
00:38:57.860 --> 00:38:58.464
council.

844
00:39:02.124 --> 00:39:03.144
My God.

845
00:39:04.544 --> 00:39:07.400
yeah, yeah, team green. Team

846
00:39:07.472 --> 00:39:10.352
Green has definitely, oddly enough, Scene

847
00:39:10.408 --> 00:39:13.400
better days. They

848
00:39:13.432 --> 00:39:16.198
have Scene better days. they are immediately

849
00:39:16.246 --> 00:39:18.914
regretting their decision to put a min in charge

850
00:39:19.254 --> 00:39:22.238
for sure. Like, like, we've Scene

851
00:39:22.286 --> 00:39:25.094
a lot of small council meetings at this point,

852
00:39:25.174 --> 00:39:27.634
especially this season, but, man,

853
00:39:28.014 --> 00:39:30.950
everyone was just looking across at each other and it's like,

854
00:39:30.982 --> 00:39:33.870
don't make eye contact with him. Don't make eye contact with him.

855
00:39:34.022 --> 00:39:36.114
Don't say anything. Like.

856
00:39:37.014 --> 00:39:39.422
Like, I found. I found that to be

857
00:39:39.558 --> 00:39:42.462
very intriguing about how. How much

858
00:39:42.478 --> 00:39:45.422
of a difference that makes because Aemond

859
00:39:45.518 --> 00:39:48.118
has attended small council meetings,

860
00:39:48.166 --> 00:39:50.480
but because now he's, the

861
00:39:50.512 --> 00:39:53.288
regent, everyone,

862
00:39:53.456 --> 00:39:56.124
like. And they put him there

863
00:39:56.624 --> 00:39:59.444
knowingly, like, put him there,

864
00:40:00.274 --> 00:40:03.148
and, they. And now they have to deal

865
00:40:03.196 --> 00:40:05.604
with that where they are also

866
00:40:05.684 --> 00:40:08.140
quickly to realize how.

867
00:40:08.332 --> 00:40:11.180
Yeah, he's a great fighter, military

868
00:40:11.252 --> 00:40:14.132
strategist, whatever, but the kid has no idea how

869
00:40:14.148 --> 00:40:17.148
to rule, clearly pays

870
00:40:17.196 --> 00:40:20.144
no attention to the small folk, and,

871
00:40:20.234 --> 00:40:22.774
boots his own mom off of the council.

872
00:40:23.594 --> 00:40:26.522
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

873
00:40:26.538 --> 00:40:29.354
I mean, he definitely has

874
00:40:29.394 --> 00:40:32.370
an agenda. He is very confident in executing

875
00:40:32.402 --> 00:40:34.214
it, even if it may

876
00:40:35.194 --> 00:40:37.614
lead to a uprising within

877
00:40:38.074 --> 00:40:41.032
King's Landing. but at the same time,

878
00:40:41.128 --> 00:40:42.884
he suffers the fools as far as

879
00:40:43.544 --> 00:40:46.008
any, he quickly

880
00:40:46.176 --> 00:40:48.214
dispatches Kristian Cole,

881
00:40:48.994 --> 00:40:51.744
off to the riverlands to, you know,

882
00:40:51.784 --> 00:40:52.128
to.

883
00:40:52.216 --> 00:40:53.444
>> Sarah : Meet up with the Lannister.

884
00:40:53.984 --> 00:40:56.712
>> Will: Yeah, meet up with the Lannister. So they could take on Harrenhal with

885
00:40:56.728 --> 00:40:59.404
Damon. And he also,

886
00:40:59.854 --> 00:41:02.690
You know, when Laris was trying to, like, you know, weasel

887
00:41:02.722 --> 00:41:03.894
his way into

888
00:41:05.994 --> 00:41:08.810
becoming the hand, he was like, no,

889
00:41:08.922 --> 00:41:11.874
I want Otto. And that was actually, to me, that was, like, one of the

890
00:41:11.914 --> 00:41:14.522
smart things that he did recognize that he.

891
00:41:14.698 --> 00:41:17.552
He may be a good wartime leader, but, he

892
00:41:17.576 --> 00:41:20.560
needed someone on that council who has some experience, who actually

893
00:41:20.600 --> 00:41:23.272
has some experience and who will, like, give him good counsel.

894
00:41:23.336 --> 00:41:26.144
Because I think he was just like, all these people

895
00:41:26.192 --> 00:41:29.158
around here are just, like, sniffling idiots who are, Who

896
00:41:29.214 --> 00:41:32.206
that my brother put in place. I need to have someone that I can

897
00:41:32.238 --> 00:41:34.650
trust, and I can trust my grandfather.

898
00:41:35.350 --> 00:41:38.334
>> Sarah : Right. It was a surprising

899
00:41:38.422 --> 00:41:40.490
move. I wasn't expecting that.

900
00:41:41.550 --> 00:41:44.398
but I don't know why

901
00:41:44.574 --> 00:41:47.010
he dismissed Allison,

902
00:41:47.910 --> 00:41:50.846
like, within this. Within a short period of time,

903
00:41:50.918 --> 00:41:52.930
he brings back his grandfather

904
00:41:53.910 --> 00:41:55.850
and then dismisses his mother.

905
00:41:57.790 --> 00:42:00.462
Yeah, because she could

906
00:42:00.526 --> 00:42:03.054
offer very similar counsel to him.

907
00:42:03.182 --> 00:42:05.982
But then again, I guess if we

908
00:42:06.006 --> 00:42:08.628
think back to. I think it was the first

909
00:42:08.684 --> 00:42:10.960
episode where there is that scene between,

910
00:42:11.830 --> 00:42:14.150
Aemon and Sir Kristian about

911
00:42:14.530 --> 00:42:17.430
Alice's connection to Rhaenyra. Like

912
00:42:17.810 --> 00:42:20.754
a man's thinking enemy. Mom,

913
00:42:20.802 --> 00:42:23.530
I love you, but you're still tied to my

914
00:42:23.570 --> 00:42:26.458
enemy, so I can't trust anything you're going to advise me

915
00:42:26.474 --> 00:42:27.170
to do.

916
00:42:27.330 --> 00:42:27.714
>> Will: Yeah.

917
00:42:27.762 --> 00:42:30.266
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Which makes sense.

918
00:42:30.378 --> 00:42:31.030
And,

919
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:35.952
Yeah. So. So to that. Is that extent.

920
00:42:36.016 --> 00:42:38.848
Yeah, I would understand then. I still don't know

921
00:42:38.904 --> 00:42:40.900
exactly why he wants Otto.

922
00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:44.256
>> Will: Yeah. I think with Otto, I mean, I think he. He did see

923
00:42:44.288 --> 00:42:45.860
how well Otto

924
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:50.048
served his grand. Served as his father, I

925
00:42:50.064 --> 00:42:50.552
mean.

926
00:42:50.696 --> 00:42:51.380
>> Sarah : Right?

927
00:42:53.640 --> 00:42:56.458
>> Will: yeah, well, Aegon. Yeah, well, yeah, but a

928
00:42:56.474 --> 00:42:57.470
gun was like

929
00:42:59.540 --> 00:43:02.404
a God had some less. He took some

930
00:43:02.452 --> 00:43:04.828
good parts of Viserys's rule, like, for example,

931
00:43:04.884 --> 00:43:07.596
understanding that. How to keep

932
00:43:07.628 --> 00:43:10.580
the small folk happy. Ah, because he mean,

933
00:43:10.580 --> 00:43:13.348
m he did when Otto was, like, you know, challenging Aegon

934
00:43:13.404 --> 00:43:16.048
on that, aegon, like, said, no, you

935
00:43:16.064 --> 00:43:18.660
know, we. We need to keep this

936
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:19.900
Otto.

937
00:43:20.560 --> 00:43:23.456
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. He just. He was

938
00:43:23.528 --> 00:43:25.300
being naive about it.

939
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:25.840
>> Will: Yeah.

940
00:43:25.790 --> 00:43:28.218
>> Sarah : I think, though, that with

941
00:43:28.274 --> 00:43:30.754
Eamonn, it's

942
00:43:30.802 --> 00:43:33.672
interesting because, I know we're

943
00:43:33.696 --> 00:43:35.300
talking team Green, but

944
00:43:36.040 --> 00:43:38.460
Damon's whole storyline,

945
00:43:38.850 --> 00:43:41.116
not just in this episode, but this entire

946
00:43:41.188 --> 00:43:43.948
season, and there's a line in it where

947
00:43:44.004 --> 00:43:46.948
he's having a conversation and he brings up the fact

948
00:43:47.044 --> 00:43:49.814
that she never wanted it.

949
00:43:49.972 --> 00:43:52.882
They never wanted it. And Alice

950
00:43:52.946 --> 00:43:55.802
points out, like, you view the crown as

951
00:43:55.826 --> 00:43:58.770
a prize to be won. Amen. Has

952
00:43:58.810 --> 00:44:01.674
been doing the exact same thing. This is me

953
00:44:01.762 --> 00:44:04.714
taking revenge, winning, claiming

954
00:44:04.762 --> 00:44:07.070
what all my own family,

955
00:44:07.690 --> 00:44:10.490
like, cheered against me. Not

956
00:44:10.570 --> 00:44:13.170
viewing the crown as for what it is, which is

957
00:44:13.210 --> 00:44:15.810
actually a burden and a responsibility

958
00:44:15.970 --> 00:44:18.702
and not something you

959
00:44:18.726 --> 00:44:21.702
just win, like, because if you view it in

960
00:44:21.726 --> 00:44:23.330
that way, when you get it,

961
00:44:24.870 --> 00:44:25.610
you.

962
00:44:27.350 --> 00:44:30.150
You, It's almost like, oh, I need a new

963
00:44:30.190 --> 00:44:32.570
game to play. Like, because

964
00:44:33.030 --> 00:44:35.998
what's more there to do? I've succeeded.

965
00:44:36.054 --> 00:44:38.942
So it's. It's like an unfulfilling prophecy,

966
00:44:39.006 --> 00:44:39.686
almost.

967
00:44:39.878 --> 00:44:42.826
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, it's like. Yeah, you

968
00:44:42.858 --> 00:44:45.710
just, like. Proverbial dog chasing the bone

969
00:44:46.130 --> 00:44:48.552
is like. Yeah, they don't know what to do. So.

970
00:44:48.696 --> 00:44:51.664
Yeah. One other thing, too. I think to your

971
00:44:51.712 --> 00:44:54.640
question about Alicent, why, she

972
00:44:55.700 --> 00:44:58.356
is being knocked down

973
00:44:58.468 --> 00:45:01.276
each time by the council. I mean, I do think it

974
00:45:01.308 --> 00:45:04.220
is that the misogyny of the times,

975
00:45:04.260 --> 00:45:07.212
too. I mean, we just. Yeah. In how they. How they view women, how

976
00:45:07.236 --> 00:45:09.120
they treat women in Westeros,

977
00:45:10.310 --> 00:45:12.982
I think that's still. That is also still a

978
00:45:13.006 --> 00:45:15.870
factor of it. And. And I think Amon,

979
00:45:15.910 --> 00:45:18.886
excuse me, has had some general disdain

980
00:45:18.958 --> 00:45:21.822
for. For her. I mean, I think he,

981
00:45:21.926 --> 00:45:24.646
you know, whatever, whenever he told her to go back to do your

982
00:45:24.678 --> 00:45:27.328
domestic things, I, couldn't help but, like,

983
00:45:27.376 --> 00:45:27.964
think

984
00:45:30.224 --> 00:45:33.072
that he was. He was aware of what was going on with.

985
00:45:33.128 --> 00:45:35.468
With her and Sir Criston and,

986
00:45:36.266 --> 00:45:39.210
And then also, you know, at this point,

987
00:45:39.258 --> 00:45:42.026
she's. You know, she. She's just. She's just his

988
00:45:42.066 --> 00:45:44.966
mother. And. And,

989
00:45:46.226 --> 00:45:49.202
you know, you're. That's. That's your role now. You're not. You're not queen

990
00:45:49.234 --> 00:45:52.226
Dowager. You're queen Dowager. But your role, as far as having

991
00:45:52.266 --> 00:45:54.938
any say in the governance of King's

992
00:45:54.962 --> 00:45:57.898
Landing, is no more. We thank the crown. Thank you

993
00:45:57.962 --> 00:46:00.418
for your service. I mean, I think, even said something to that

994
00:46:00.442 --> 00:46:00.986
effect.

995
00:46:01.146 --> 00:46:02.886
>> Sarah : Yeah, right, right.

996
00:46:03.906 --> 00:46:06.832
He's like, I want this power all for myself.

997
00:46:06.944 --> 00:46:09.472
So, family, please be excused.

998
00:46:09.624 --> 00:46:12.304
Yeah. Alice in this

999
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:15.316
episode, and ever since she

1000
00:46:15.736 --> 00:46:18.476
realized the error of her ways,

1001
00:46:19.166 --> 00:46:21.782
with Rhaenyra, you see

1002
00:46:21.814 --> 00:46:24.190
this probably. Arguably the most

1003
00:46:24.278 --> 00:46:27.092
highlighted in this episode, with the doubt

1004
00:46:27.254 --> 00:46:29.516
and the realization.

1005
00:46:30.096 --> 00:46:32.848
Because, I mean, to your point about the misogyny on the

1006
00:46:32.872 --> 00:46:35.712
council, I mean, Allison, just like, of

1007
00:46:35.744 --> 00:46:38.584
course, this is how they're going to treat you now. Look

1008
00:46:38.640 --> 00:46:41.254
back at, the night viserys died. They

1009
00:46:41.302 --> 00:46:44.222
immediately, all of the men in that room looked at each

1010
00:46:44.246 --> 00:46:47.222
other and said, oh, yeah, there was no way we're going to let Rhaenyra, a woman

1011
00:46:47.286 --> 00:46:47.890
lead.

1012
00:46:49.270 --> 00:46:50.210
>> Will: Exactly.

1013
00:46:51.230 --> 00:46:54.070
>> Sarah : Yeah, it was. It was like. It was like.

1014
00:46:54.230 --> 00:46:55.490
Read the room.

1015
00:46:55.910 --> 00:46:58.606
>> Will: Yeah, read the room. Yeah. yeah. And even last week. Laris,

1016
00:46:58.674 --> 00:47:01.662
again, reinforce that. Whenever she was like, I should

1017
00:47:01.702 --> 00:47:04.630
be the one. I've done it before.

1018
00:47:04.686 --> 00:47:07.670
I could do it again. And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1019
00:47:07.726 --> 00:47:10.614
>> Sarah : It's. But they're. They're also. I mean,

1020
00:47:10.718 --> 00:47:13.652
now, having watched this episode, that small council

1021
00:47:13.732 --> 00:47:16.724
there. No, there is no way they were not going to vote a name. And because

1022
00:47:16.748 --> 00:47:18.308
they're all freaking afraid of him.

1023
00:47:18.460 --> 00:47:21.388
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah. Kristian Cole was just like, you want me to go

1024
00:47:21.420 --> 00:47:24.420
out to meet the Lannister? Okay, I'm m on

1025
00:47:24.436 --> 00:47:25.068
my way.

1026
00:47:25.220 --> 00:47:26.472
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah.

1027
00:47:28.052 --> 00:47:30.720
>> Will: Did you see anything? You know, you know, did you see

1028
00:47:30.736 --> 00:47:33.442
anything? no. No, boss. I didn't see a damn

1029
00:47:33.482 --> 00:47:34.114
thing.

1030
00:47:34.298 --> 00:47:36.690
>> Sarah : Cole was like, that scene between

1031
00:47:36.786 --> 00:47:38.682
Aemond and Aegon.

1032
00:47:38.842 --> 00:47:39.402
>> Will: Yeah.

1033
00:47:39.402 --> 00:47:42.348
>> Sarah : and they're. They're doing what they're

1034
00:47:42.380 --> 00:47:45.036
doing with Aegon is. Is

1035
00:47:45.164 --> 00:47:47.472
so well done. Because all I think is,

1036
00:47:48.092 --> 00:47:51.020
can someone kill him? Because I don't want to

1037
00:47:51.036 --> 00:47:53.852
see him dead, but put him out of his misery. Like,

1038
00:47:53.932 --> 00:47:56.488
yeah, that's. That's so

1039
00:47:56.560 --> 00:47:59.288
painful. Which. Which actually

1040
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:00.812
is. Is also

1041
00:48:01.432 --> 00:48:03.928
countered. Like, you feel it more

1042
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:06.736
because in a scene

1043
00:48:06.864 --> 00:48:09.408
that occurs on team black when, Sarah

1044
00:48:09.456 --> 00:48:11.964
Stefan goes to try to,

1045
00:48:13.114 --> 00:48:15.866
I don't know how you would say, sees, like,

1046
00:48:16.050 --> 00:48:18.498
get bonded to see smoke. Did to see

1047
00:48:18.546 --> 00:48:21.426
smoke. As soon as sea smokes burns him

1048
00:48:21.450 --> 00:48:24.074
to pieces, one of the people

1049
00:48:24.234 --> 00:48:25.574
slits his throat.

1050
00:48:27.194 --> 00:48:30.042
It is more painful to

1051
00:48:30.098 --> 00:48:32.530
die in that manner than it would

1052
00:48:32.562 --> 00:48:35.370
be. Make it quick. And so

1053
00:48:35.562 --> 00:48:38.474
if you watch that scene and then just look at Aegon,

1054
00:48:38.554 --> 00:48:41.418
who, charred body,

1055
00:48:41.506 --> 00:48:43.954
broken limbs and all, you're just like,

1056
00:48:44.034 --> 00:48:47.004
ooh, yeah, yeah, that was.

1057
00:48:47.304 --> 00:48:49.880
>> Will: Yeah. And avond, like,

1058
00:48:50.032 --> 00:48:52.976
given bringing the little marble, the king's

1059
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:55.936
marble, and like, put it on his chest and just driving it

1060
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:56.216
in.

1061
00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:59.254
>> Sarah : And I need a, Sorry to cut you off,

1062
00:48:59.294 --> 00:49:02.174
but I need a book reader to fill us in,

1063
00:49:02.124 --> 00:49:04.860
on. Because I know we've Scene the marble,

1064
00:49:05.012 --> 00:49:07.876
and I know I might have Scene it in Game of

1065
00:49:07.900 --> 00:49:10.842
Thrones, but I'm not sure of the significance

1066
00:49:11.028 --> 00:49:13.854
or if I'm forgetting even a scene between the two of

1067
00:49:13.894 --> 00:49:16.726
them that would make that whole

1068
00:49:16.790 --> 00:49:19.646
use of that prop that much more compelling. I mean,

1069
00:49:19.670 --> 00:49:22.606
it's already a really good scene, but I just didn't know

1070
00:49:22.710 --> 00:49:25.214
if there's some additional context that would be helpful.

1071
00:49:25.254 --> 00:49:26.514
But continue.

1072
00:49:27.014 --> 00:49:29.926
>> Will: No, no, that's a good point. Because, I mean, I remember. I mean, viserys

1073
00:49:29.950 --> 00:49:32.830
had it. I mean, it's always been at the. At the table. so

1074
00:49:32.934 --> 00:49:35.910
it's definitely. So, yeah, I'll have to. I'll definitely have to,

1075
00:49:35.934 --> 00:49:38.870
like, make a. Make a note on the delicate west rosies

1076
00:49:38.934 --> 00:49:41.734
or the wiki if. But yeah, book

1077
00:49:41.766 --> 00:49:44.706
readers lethemena note of significance. But I'll also look in the wiki to

1078
00:49:44.722 --> 00:49:47.620
see if there's anything there. Because, I thought that was

1079
00:49:47.644 --> 00:49:50.556
very interesting, that it

1080
00:49:50.572 --> 00:49:53.420
was almost. It was like a physical manifestation of

1081
00:49:53.444 --> 00:49:56.196
Damon Amund. Like, you know,

1082
00:49:56.292 --> 00:49:58.820
I burned you. Now I'm gonna bring the

1083
00:49:59.004 --> 00:50:01.608
symbol of the king

1084
00:50:02.268 --> 00:50:05.004
here and just drive it into your chest

1085
00:50:05.116 --> 00:50:07.488
to just make it even more painful in my

1086
00:50:07.978 --> 00:50:10.956
getting back to you, for you, for all the bullying and

1087
00:50:10.972 --> 00:50:13.964
all the things you've liked, how shittily you treated my brother all

1088
00:50:13.996 --> 00:50:16.980
these years. So. Yeah. Yeah,

1089
00:50:17.004 --> 00:50:19.848
I thought that was that scene. And also, like, you know,

1090
00:50:20.438 --> 00:50:23.386
wondering how. I mean, there are

1091
00:50:23.402 --> 00:50:26.258
so many. There are several. There's a couple. One scene, I think

1092
00:50:26.298 --> 00:50:28.850
Ayman was, like, wishing for his brother's

1093
00:50:28.914 --> 00:50:31.198
demise. You know, again, just to like,

1094
00:50:31.788 --> 00:50:34.560
this, I think he's talking to maybe the maester as far as his

1095
00:50:34.584 --> 00:50:37.582
injuries or something like that. And so he's just like.

1096
00:50:37.680 --> 00:50:40.626
But, you know, he's just counting the days. But, you know,

1097
00:50:40.642 --> 00:50:43.248
we did get a Darren, mentioned this week.

1098
00:50:44.028 --> 00:50:46.572
Speaking. Yeah, speaking of the brothers and

1099
00:50:46.700 --> 00:50:49.088
Alicent when she was talking to her brother

1100
00:50:50.148 --> 00:50:52.728
about Darren. And I know, speaking of Alice

1101
00:50:53.068 --> 00:50:55.968
and, you know, the regret and

1102
00:50:56.308 --> 00:50:58.708
the feelings that she's been having this

1103
00:50:58.748 --> 00:51:01.670
season. and that, I thought that was a very powerful scene between the

1104
00:51:01.694 --> 00:51:04.358
two of them. And, you know,

1105
00:51:05.018 --> 00:51:07.586
Darren basically being a. Sounds like

1106
00:51:07.602 --> 00:51:10.514
he's a great kid. Turned out well adjusted and

1107
00:51:10.546 --> 00:51:13.478
everything, versus his two brothers who've,

1108
00:51:13.478 --> 00:51:16.430
been in the red keep and how they've turned out. Thought it was very painful.

1109
00:51:16.486 --> 00:51:18.082
Another painful thing for Allison.

1110
00:51:18.502 --> 00:51:19.882
>> Sarah : Yeah, he's kind,

1111
00:51:21.422 --> 00:51:24.340
I liked the line. well, I agree.

1112
00:51:24.396 --> 00:51:26.612
Like, I like the whole scene, but I like the line

1113
00:51:26.732 --> 00:51:29.254
wherever she's like, I always

1114
00:51:29.318 --> 00:51:32.042
wonder what would have happened if you had been sent

1115
00:51:32.502 --> 00:51:34.882
with father and not me.

1116
00:51:35.462 --> 00:51:38.358
Like, yeah. Which is such an.

1117
00:51:38.430 --> 00:51:40.846
And now knowing that that could have

1118
00:51:40.894 --> 00:51:43.798
happened, it all, your mind starts to

1119
00:51:43.830 --> 00:51:46.606
work because you know how Otto and Viserys were.

1120
00:51:46.694 --> 00:51:49.042
So why,

1121
00:51:49.422 --> 00:51:51.612
oddly enough, there could have been a,

1122
00:51:52.504 --> 00:51:55.352
timeline where. Where this guy

1123
00:51:55.408 --> 00:51:56.898
got together with Rhaenyra.

1124
00:51:57.056 --> 00:51:58.110
>> Will: Exactly. Exactly.

1125
00:51:58.142 --> 00:52:00.494
>> Sarah : And you know what? The kingdom was that piece.

1126
00:52:00.654 --> 00:52:01.394
>> Will: Yeah.

1127
00:52:02.214 --> 00:52:05.214
>> Sarah : For all we know. But, I mean, I'm sure it wouldn't

1128
00:52:05.254 --> 00:52:08.214
have worked out. I mean, we're still talking about Westeros and

1129
00:52:08.254 --> 00:52:10.806
Damon's still around, but it's

1130
00:52:10.830 --> 00:52:13.590
just. It was. It was such a good

1131
00:52:13.622 --> 00:52:16.446
scene. And I also can appreciate that they

1132
00:52:16.470 --> 00:52:19.238
just didn't bring on Alice. Since his, like,

1133
00:52:19.406 --> 00:52:22.166
goofy, stupid brother. No, the kid. The

1134
00:52:22.190 --> 00:52:24.434
guy clearly is observing

1135
00:52:24.874 --> 00:52:27.746
his sister's situation as much

1136
00:52:27.770 --> 00:52:30.052
as he can and, has now

1137
00:52:30.108 --> 00:52:32.932
witnessed war as well

1138
00:52:32.948 --> 00:52:35.460
as war with dragons. And so

1139
00:52:35.612 --> 00:52:38.428
he. I guess what I'm trying to

1140
00:52:38.436 --> 00:52:41.100
say is I can't see him having that conversation with

1141
00:52:41.132 --> 00:52:41.704
her.

1142
00:52:44.514 --> 00:52:47.290
now, like in the first

1143
00:52:47.362 --> 00:52:50.360
episode when we first meet him versus now, like he's

1144
00:52:50.392 --> 00:52:53.032
been through some things. So it's not just

1145
00:52:53.168 --> 00:52:56.112
like he was telling her about her son, but he also, at

1146
00:52:56.128 --> 00:52:59.032
the end, tried to assure her

1147
00:52:59.168 --> 00:53:02.144
that it's not because you

1148
00:53:02.224 --> 00:53:04.564
didn't. Weren't there to raise him.

1149
00:53:04.964 --> 00:53:07.264
you're, the kids you were around

1150
00:53:07.964 --> 00:53:10.708
were corrupted by this city, not by

1151
00:53:10.756 --> 00:53:11.372
you.

1152
00:53:11.548 --> 00:53:14.380
>> Will: Exactly. Yeah. I think she need. Yeah, she needed to hear

1153
00:53:14.412 --> 00:53:16.984
that because she was definitely feeling

1154
00:53:18.604 --> 00:53:20.308
a lot of feelings there, for sure.

1155
00:53:20.356 --> 00:53:22.652
>> Sarah : Yeah. I would argue though

1156
00:53:22.748 --> 00:53:25.236
that she's was

1157
00:53:25.300 --> 00:53:27.892
corrupted by the city and that just

1158
00:53:28.028 --> 00:53:30.948
like, transferred to her children that she raised

1159
00:53:31.036 --> 00:53:33.584
in King's Landing. But yeah.

1160
00:53:34.514 --> 00:53:37.050
And then you have the scene with Alison and

1161
00:53:37.122 --> 00:53:39.882
Helena and the people, the small folk getting mad

1162
00:53:39.938 --> 00:53:42.244
because, they are being,

1163
00:53:42.484 --> 00:53:45.220
left to fend for themselves to dig up

1164
00:53:45.252 --> 00:53:47.812
clams and fish and fish for

1165
00:53:47.868 --> 00:53:50.758
days. And, And they've had enough of it. And I

1166
00:53:50.782 --> 00:53:53.692
think this is right after, Rena sends

1167
00:53:53.724 --> 00:53:56.484
the ships of supply food to.

1168
00:53:56.540 --> 00:53:59.514
To the people and, they see them coming out

1169
00:53:59.530 --> 00:54:02.166
of the chapel and whoa.

1170
00:54:02.586 --> 00:54:04.126
>> Will: Oh, boy. Yeah.

1171
00:54:05.186 --> 00:54:08.090
Yeah. So for folks who

1172
00:54:08.138 --> 00:54:10.974
complain that this is too talkative, you

1173
00:54:10.990 --> 00:54:13.986
got your action. And boy, was there some action there.

1174
00:54:14.436 --> 00:54:17.332
>> Will: yeah. Allison gets hit in the face with a fish. Helena. Oh,

1175
00:54:17.348 --> 00:54:20.084
yeah, speaking of Helena, I mean, there was her also. Her, you know,

1176
00:54:20.204 --> 00:54:22.724
the one scene with her talking about there were

1177
00:54:22.764 --> 00:54:25.724
three, Was it three birds

1178
00:54:25.764 --> 00:54:28.756
and one silent now? So I wonder. I was wondering

1179
00:54:28.780 --> 00:54:31.692
like where, what does she mean? You know, it was clearly, you

1180
00:54:31.708 --> 00:54:34.564
know, she was having one of her visions. So I was just wondering

1181
00:54:34.604 --> 00:54:37.064
where what that vision was,

1182
00:54:37.514 --> 00:54:38.290
relates.

1183
00:54:38.442 --> 00:54:39.722
>> Sarah : Silent right now.

1184
00:54:39.898 --> 00:54:42.738
>> Will: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I was thinking it was the brothers as

1185
00:54:42.786 --> 00:54:43.374
well.

1186
00:54:44.434 --> 00:54:45.814
>> Sarah : Well, the siblings.

1187
00:54:46.154 --> 00:54:47.802
>> Will: Yeah, the siblings. Yeah.

1188
00:54:47.978 --> 00:54:50.882
>> Sarah : I don't know, because if you can't, then it would

1189
00:54:50.898 --> 00:54:52.614
be three anyways.

1190
00:54:53.794 --> 00:54:56.738
>> Will: Yeah, it was just. It just popped in my head

1191
00:54:56.786 --> 00:54:59.258
whenever we were talking about the scene in the.

1192
00:54:59.386 --> 00:55:02.250
With Helena and Alice said. But

1193
00:55:02.362 --> 00:55:04.934
yeah, I mean, it's just very interesting how the people,

1194
00:55:05.454 --> 00:55:08.254
Ah, I know whenever we move to team black and talk about mecera m

1195
00:55:08.598 --> 00:55:11.394
and, you know, helping to concoct this plan,

1196
00:55:12.044 --> 00:55:14.584
how the people are taking it out on

1197
00:55:15.164 --> 00:55:18.156
the team green versus team black,

1198
00:55:18.220 --> 00:55:20.844
who is, you know, who's put the blockade in place. But

1199
00:55:20.964 --> 00:55:22.704
again, it just reinforces

1200
00:55:23.204 --> 00:55:25.410
Eamonn's, lack of

1201
00:55:25.442 --> 00:55:28.442
vision as far as being a 360 ruler, as

1202
00:55:28.458 --> 00:55:31.434
far as just making sure to keep your. Keep. Keep the home

1203
00:55:31.474 --> 00:55:34.438
folk happy because at the end of the day, you don't want

1204
00:55:34.446 --> 00:55:36.862
to be fighting, you know, two fronts of, you

1205
00:55:36.878 --> 00:55:39.470
know, battle, battle at home,

1206
00:55:39.662 --> 00:55:42.630
but also, you know, of course, the issues abroad as

1207
00:55:42.662 --> 00:55:45.522
well, with. With team black. So, so it's

1208
00:55:45.538 --> 00:55:48.394
very smart. I loved how they, like, taught, you know, again,

1209
00:55:48.434 --> 00:55:51.014
just really showed how, you know, the

1210
00:55:51.354 --> 00:55:53.898
west. Messer said there's more than one way to fight a war,

1211
00:55:53.946 --> 00:55:54.586
so.

1212
00:55:54.770 --> 00:55:57.218
>> Sarah : Right, right. And I mean,

1213
00:55:57.386 --> 00:56:00.300
really, I don't know anymore

1214
00:56:00.332 --> 00:56:02.916
because I forgot what I was going to say. But,

1215
00:56:03.060 --> 00:56:03.744
like,

1216
00:56:08.044 --> 00:56:10.764
they. They were able

1217
00:56:10.844 --> 00:56:13.820
to shift the win so quickly is

1218
00:56:13.852 --> 00:56:16.700
because nobody there was. Otto's

1219
00:56:16.732 --> 00:56:19.060
not there to spin the news.

1220
00:56:19.212 --> 00:56:21.916
Like, there's no propaganda. We saw

1221
00:56:21.980 --> 00:56:24.184
that very early on this season,

1222
00:56:25.164 --> 00:56:27.956
about how Otto was able to spin things.

1223
00:56:28.020 --> 00:56:30.710
Like, think about, just Sarah's death

1224
00:56:30.862 --> 00:56:33.554
and full blame on

1225
00:56:34.294 --> 00:56:36.594
Rhaenyra. So the people,

1226
00:56:37.574 --> 00:56:40.382
not only are they starting to listen to others

1227
00:56:40.478 --> 00:56:43.444
because, viserys has her spy in there

1228
00:56:43.524 --> 00:56:46.220
who's saying things, but also they're

1229
00:56:46.252 --> 00:56:48.948
feeling it like they're

1230
00:56:48.996 --> 00:56:51.966
really nothing. Like, things are not getting

1231
00:56:52.030 --> 00:56:54.662
better. And then previous episode, you have, like,

1232
00:56:54.718 --> 00:56:57.182
closed the gates, can't go in, can't leave.

1233
00:56:57.238 --> 00:57:00.110
It's. It's like, well, what.

1234
00:57:00.182 --> 00:57:02.234
What do you expect to happen?

1235
00:57:03.414 --> 00:57:06.414
>> Will: Yeah, Hugh daughter's, like, sick and. Yeah,

1236
00:57:06.454 --> 00:57:09.390
because we saw Hugh. I mean, he was the one that started the whole thing was like, he was

1237
00:57:09.422 --> 00:57:11.606
like, you know, sucker punch the guy for lettuce.

1238
00:57:11.670 --> 00:57:14.462
>> Sarah : I mean, yeah, yeah,

1239
00:57:14.558 --> 00:57:17.300
yeah. And I. So this whole

1240
00:57:17.372 --> 00:57:20.218
white warm, like, at what

1241
00:57:20.266 --> 00:57:23.154
point did you. Were you watching that

1242
00:57:23.194 --> 00:57:26.050
scene between Renara and Miss Saras and, like, okay,

1243
00:57:26.082 --> 00:57:27.014
they're gonna kiss.

1244
00:57:28.594 --> 00:57:31.186
>> Will: The stage was set when she. At least with

1245
00:57:31.210 --> 00:57:33.610
this. I mean, they've had chemistry all

1246
00:57:33.642 --> 00:57:35.778
throughout whenever, as they've gone

1247
00:57:35.826 --> 00:57:38.722
closer. But I

1248
00:57:38.738 --> 00:57:41.284
think whenever she. Whenever Rhaenyra was,

1249
00:57:42.604 --> 00:57:45.540
practicing with the sword, and she was

1250
00:57:45.572 --> 00:57:47.844
like, that sword looks good on you. And I was like,

1251
00:57:49.274 --> 00:57:52.054
So when it kissed, I was like, okay. You know,

1252
00:57:52.954 --> 00:57:55.946
I know it was a very tragic story, but at the same time, I

1253
00:57:55.970 --> 00:57:58.794
was like, it didn't

1254
00:57:58.834 --> 00:58:01.730
come out of left field for me. And I understand that Emma Darcy

1255
00:58:01.762 --> 00:58:04.480
was actually, they were the ones who suggested

1256
00:58:04.512 --> 00:58:07.480
that that scene happened. so. But

1257
00:58:07.504 --> 00:58:10.394
it didn't come out of left field for me. Because, they. They clearly have that

1258
00:58:10.426 --> 00:58:12.650
obvious chemistry. And, I mean, for

1259
00:58:12.674 --> 00:58:15.552
Rhaenyra, the character, she.

1260
00:58:15.680 --> 00:58:18.344
She's been so alone and, you know, she's

1261
00:58:18.376 --> 00:58:21.240
lost Renee. As far as a confidant, Damon's

1262
00:58:21.264 --> 00:58:24.232
off doing his thing. I mean, she's very alone

1263
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:26.188
there. And so,

1264
00:58:27.128 --> 00:58:30.100
you know, we've talked about this before where, my

1265
00:58:30.124 --> 00:58:33.052
Sarah was become a sort of like the unofficial hand to

1266
00:58:33.140 --> 00:58:35.008
the queen and

1267
00:58:36.268 --> 00:58:38.908
confidant. And so it.

1268
00:58:39.068 --> 00:58:41.208
You know, it happened.

1269
00:58:41.548 --> 00:58:44.436
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree. It made a lot

1270
00:58:44.452 --> 00:58:45.180
of sense.

1271
00:58:45.324 --> 00:58:45.708
>> Will: Yeah.

1272
00:58:46.498 --> 00:58:49.290
>> Sarah : I don't know if it was the most romantic thing after,

1273
00:58:49.378 --> 00:58:52.244
miss talked about how. What

1274
00:58:52.316 --> 00:58:54.842
happened between her and her dad. but

1275
00:58:55.010 --> 00:58:57.782
yeah, they found some sort of

1276
00:58:57.850 --> 00:59:00.454
weird romance in that also. So good for

1277
00:59:00.486 --> 00:59:01.014
them.

1278
00:59:01.166 --> 00:59:03.574
>> Will: Good for them. It wasn't incest. It wasn't

1279
00:59:03.606 --> 00:59:04.178
like.

1280
00:59:05.598 --> 00:59:07.294
>> Sarah : Which means it's not going to last.

1281
00:59:07.446 --> 00:59:08.418
>> Will: Exactly.

1282
00:59:10.238 --> 00:59:12.270
>> Sarah : Because it wasn't simple.

1283
00:59:12.334 --> 00:59:12.982
>> Will: Yeah.

1284
00:59:13.150 --> 00:59:15.814
>> Sarah : And we're not really starting to

1285
00:59:15.846 --> 00:59:18.734
see. And I guess I

1286
00:59:18.766 --> 00:59:20.898
wasn't expecting this to see

1287
00:59:21.678 --> 00:59:23.666
how much it's not just

1288
00:59:23.782 --> 00:59:26.050
Rhaenyra struggling

1289
00:59:26.194 --> 00:59:28.802
with how she is

1290
00:59:28.850 --> 00:59:31.258
supposed to fight this battle

1291
00:59:31.378 --> 00:59:34.354
without being able to actually fight it

1292
00:59:34.386 --> 00:59:37.186
herself, but also fight

1293
00:59:37.242 --> 00:59:39.762
it with. Without

1294
00:59:39.850 --> 00:59:40.634
Damon.

1295
00:59:40.786 --> 00:59:41.450
>> Will: Yeah.

1296
00:59:41.594 --> 00:59:44.202
>> Sarah : Like, it's this whole. And it's. And it's

1297
00:59:44.250 --> 00:59:47.250
really. It's been kind of subtle of

1298
00:59:47.274 --> 00:59:50.242
how they've done this about this, not only

1299
00:59:50.290 --> 00:59:52.914
in terms of their relationship, but also in terms

1300
00:59:52.986 --> 00:59:54.918
of that power

1301
00:59:55.618 --> 00:59:57.358
of king and queen.

1302
00:59:58.348 --> 01:00:00.988
which, now that I'm thinking about it, I mean, Matt

1303
01:00:01.028 --> 01:00:03.444
Smith, of course. Why wouldn't you? He

1304
01:00:03.476 --> 01:00:05.828
played in the crown prince

1305
01:00:05.868 --> 01:00:06.508
Philip.

1306
01:00:06.668 --> 01:00:07.408
>> Will: Yep.

1307
01:00:07.748 --> 01:00:10.564
>> Sarah : And you see that played out in the

1308
01:00:10.596 --> 01:00:13.348
early seasons of the crown, arguably throughout the whole

1309
01:00:13.388 --> 01:00:16.334
series about when you have a

1310
01:00:16.366 --> 01:00:18.678
queen, what that does

1311
01:00:18.798 --> 01:00:21.798
to their husband, who,

1312
01:00:22.268 --> 01:00:24.368
Who is not necessarily king,

1313
01:00:26.028 --> 01:00:27.076
just King Consort.

1314
01:00:27.132 --> 01:00:29.196
>> Will: Yeah. King Consort. Yep.

1315
01:00:29.372 --> 01:00:31.968
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. So

1316
01:00:32.348 --> 01:00:34.988
I'm starting to get more appreciation of that as

1317
01:00:35.028 --> 01:00:37.780
they've added in that extra layer

1318
01:00:37.844 --> 01:00:40.640
there. or not maybe added,

1319
01:00:40.704 --> 01:00:43.290
but just have made sure it's very

1320
01:00:43.354 --> 01:00:45.398
clear of the different

1321
01:00:45.818 --> 01:00:48.482
layers of complexity that's going on

1322
01:00:48.610 --> 01:00:51.098
between their marriage, marital

1323
01:00:51.178 --> 01:00:53.958
disputes, as well as this whole political,

1324
01:00:55.588 --> 01:00:58.128
family war that's occurring.

1325
01:00:58.548 --> 01:01:01.420
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. And it's very. And

1326
01:01:01.444 --> 01:01:04.284
also just, you know, and I think even double for me

1327
01:01:04.316 --> 01:01:07.260
was just like, given the fact that Damon and Messera, the white

1328
01:01:07.284 --> 01:01:10.198
worm, had their own relationship, too. just

1329
01:01:10.278 --> 01:01:13.278
adds to, you know, so they. It's like they. They both

1330
01:01:13.358 --> 01:01:16.280
have experience with Damon, and so they, you know, I think

1331
01:01:16.304 --> 01:01:18.968
so there's also that. That common bond, too, that

1332
01:01:19.008 --> 01:01:21.736
they have dealt with this m. This.

1333
01:01:21.792 --> 01:01:24.720
This crazy dude who, you

1334
01:01:24.744 --> 01:01:27.328
know, who has his own sights on

1335
01:01:27.448 --> 01:01:29.398
power and other things and,

1336
01:01:30.228 --> 01:01:32.208
And just, you know. And, you know,

1337
01:01:32.948 --> 01:01:35.788
when things get tough, you know, he fly. He flies off. Or.

1338
01:01:35.868 --> 01:01:38.068
>> Sarah : And it's the second son's

1339
01:01:38.108 --> 01:01:38.932
syndrome.

1340
01:01:39.100 --> 01:01:39.698
>> Will: Yeah.

1341
01:01:39.828 --> 01:01:42.638
>> Sarah : You're not the first son. So if there is power

1342
01:01:42.718 --> 01:01:45.486
to be had, it doesn't go to you. It goes to the

1343
01:01:45.542 --> 01:01:48.294
first one. So it's.

1344
01:01:48.366 --> 01:01:51.262
It's. And that's why we're seeing it not only

1345
01:01:51.310 --> 01:01:54.222
play out with Damon but also with a man.

1346
01:01:54.310 --> 01:01:56.178
Like, we're seeing

1347
01:01:56.958 --> 01:01:58.818
history repeat itself.

1348
01:02:00.118 --> 01:02:02.902
And. And they've done that really well in the

1349
01:02:02.950 --> 01:02:05.804
second season. And. And this episode, we.

1350
01:02:05.926 --> 01:02:08.840
We finally get something that I've been complaining about as

1351
01:02:08.864 --> 01:02:11.624
we get Viserys. He's not

1352
01:02:11.656 --> 01:02:14.384
as strong as I

1353
01:02:14.416 --> 01:02:17.004
remember. but. But we do see good old

1354
01:02:17.036 --> 01:02:19.808
patty and, and he have

1355
01:02:19.848 --> 01:02:22.802
some scenes, where starting

1356
01:02:22.850 --> 01:02:25.834
off with the vision of the hair for the

1357
01:02:25.866 --> 01:02:28.184
day and, basically an

1358
01:02:28.256 --> 01:02:30.158
argument that

1359
01:02:30.698 --> 01:02:32.838
that was had. And

1360
01:02:33.818 --> 01:02:36.798
Damon's just like, why are we still arguing about this?

1361
01:02:37.458 --> 01:02:39.478
And he refuses

1362
01:02:39.898 --> 01:02:42.658
Damon as his heir. We also

1363
01:02:42.738 --> 01:02:45.554
see Viserys mourning the loss of

1364
01:02:45.586 --> 01:02:48.562
his wife and daemon there

1365
01:02:48.730 --> 01:02:51.158
to comfort even though he wasn't there,

1366
01:02:51.578 --> 01:02:54.540
during that time. And so we get like a regret

1367
01:02:54.604 --> 01:02:57.172
I scene. and then there's.

1368
01:02:57.260 --> 01:02:59.484
There's. I think it's the final one

1369
01:02:59.636 --> 01:03:00.328
where,

1370
01:03:02.078 --> 01:03:05.054
Viserys is on the throne and Daemon

1371
01:03:05.126 --> 01:03:07.886
comes in and ends up somewhat being

1372
01:03:07.942 --> 01:03:10.806
locked in there and is just wanting to leave.

1373
01:03:10.982 --> 01:03:11.486
So.

1374
01:03:11.582 --> 01:03:14.494
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, all the. All the scenes with.

1375
01:03:14.526 --> 01:03:17.454
With Patty is Viserys being back. I mean, they were.

1376
01:03:17.486 --> 01:03:19.938
They were so powerful and. And, yeah.

1377
01:03:20.818 --> 01:03:23.786
And the one that really stuck stood out to me,

1378
01:03:23.802 --> 01:03:26.738
of course, was when Damon was. Was comforting viserys when he.

1379
01:03:26.778 --> 01:03:29.690
When he lost his wife. And their. I guess I was like,

1380
01:03:29.754 --> 01:03:31.478
was that Justeris, the son

1381
01:03:32.578 --> 01:03:33.898
after the c section?

1382
01:03:34.058 --> 01:03:36.618
>> Sarah : Oh, I don't, what that kid was named.

1383
01:03:36.778 --> 01:03:39.604
>> Will: Yeah. but, yeah, just. Just, you know,

1384
01:03:39.716 --> 01:03:42.628
the guilt that he had, like you said

1385
01:03:42.668 --> 01:03:45.594
and just the fact that, you know, I guess in his

1386
01:03:45.626 --> 01:03:48.202
own mind, this is his way of just like trying

1387
01:03:48.250 --> 01:03:51.210
to. Trying to make some peace with the fact that he wasn't there

1388
01:03:51.234 --> 01:03:54.206
for his brother. because, I mean, there's just so

1389
01:03:54.222 --> 01:03:56.778
many things swirling around. I know some people,

1390
01:03:57.208 --> 01:03:59.766
ah, on social media and stuff have been like, you

1391
01:03:59.782 --> 01:04:02.710
know, there's some sentiment out there that

1392
01:04:02.734 --> 01:04:05.498
folks are tired of the stuff going on in Harrenhal. But,

1393
01:04:07.008 --> 01:04:09.992
each week it just seems to me it just gets more and more fascinating

1394
01:04:10.040 --> 01:04:12.880
as he gets the deeper he goes

1395
01:04:12.944 --> 01:04:15.656
into that madness. And then of course. his

1396
01:04:15.696 --> 01:04:18.688
relationship with Alice and, you know, to the point where

1397
01:04:18.712 --> 01:04:21.272
Damon's Targaryen actually, like,

1398
01:04:21.384 --> 01:04:23.636
reaches out to someone to ask for counsel.

1399
01:04:24.456 --> 01:04:26.156
Yeah. Yeah.

1400
01:04:27.986 --> 01:04:30.506
>> Sarah : I've only. I would

1401
01:04:30.546 --> 01:04:33.090
agree with people

1402
01:04:33.178 --> 01:04:36.170
more who were on the side that. Okay, we get it.

1403
01:04:36.218 --> 01:04:39.138
He's going crazy. Enough is enough. But

1404
01:04:39.282 --> 01:04:42.248
they've added more scenes following up, between

1405
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:44.972
him and Alice, which, which I

1406
01:04:45.792 --> 01:04:48.464
seem to like those scenes more than

1407
01:04:48.608 --> 01:04:51.496
I think the visions by now.

1408
01:04:51.584 --> 01:04:54.496
And I love viserys, but are just running a bit

1409
01:04:54.544 --> 01:04:57.296
long. And also, we're just like,

1410
01:04:57.344 --> 01:05:00.272
okay, get to the point with this.

1411
01:05:00.352 --> 01:05:03.184
Like, you are fleshing out the

1412
01:05:03.208 --> 01:05:06.120
character and the depths of the emotions and all of that, but at

1413
01:05:06.136 --> 01:05:08.994
the same time, it's like, okay, can we get

1414
01:05:09.018 --> 01:05:11.882
some, I don't know, like a

1415
01:05:11.922 --> 01:05:14.434
different. Some more complexity here or a different

1416
01:05:14.498 --> 01:05:17.438
dynamic? I don't know.

1417
01:05:17.470 --> 01:05:20.134
It's just, I can see there that

1418
01:05:20.198 --> 01:05:23.082
side to. To an extent as well, so.

1419
01:05:23.382 --> 01:05:26.168
>> Will: Yeah, but I think. But I think with, with the, with

1420
01:05:26.200 --> 01:05:29.200
Alice going off, I just love that scene, too. She's like, don't worry. In

1421
01:05:29.216 --> 01:05:32.088
three days time, everything will be the principal

1422
01:05:32.120 --> 01:05:34.846
shift, which it is.

1423
01:05:34.894 --> 01:05:37.520
>> Sarah : It is shifting. she seems having for

1424
01:05:37.560 --> 01:05:40.520
predicting the future. I just need her and Helena

1425
01:05:40.600 --> 01:05:43.520
to, like, meet up randomly in some brothel one

1426
01:05:43.560 --> 01:05:46.032
day and then share some. Some

1427
01:05:46.096 --> 01:05:47.976
predictions and some stories.

1428
01:05:48.168 --> 01:05:49.664
>> Will: Totally. Totally.

1429
01:05:49.792 --> 01:05:52.664
>> Sarah : I need that. That scene. The.

1430
01:05:52.832 --> 01:05:55.180
The last point on team black,

1431
01:05:56.590 --> 01:05:59.458
is, is we're going to talk about Corlys,

1432
01:05:59.534 --> 01:06:02.330
who, was not the most faithful guy we thought

1433
01:06:02.370 --> 01:06:03.430
he to be.

1434
01:06:05.650 --> 01:06:08.250
I at least didn't realize this, that the kid had some

1435
01:06:08.290 --> 01:06:11.218
bastards. Oh, you

1436
01:06:11.234 --> 01:06:13.902
didn't really know at, what

1437
01:06:13.942 --> 01:06:16.894
point? No, will. No. You never

1438
01:06:16.958 --> 01:06:18.042
told me that.

1439
01:06:19.062 --> 01:06:21.782
>> Will: Oh. I mean, I thought it was pretty clear that, like,

1440
01:06:21.902 --> 01:06:24.824
Adam and Alan were, like, his bastards. I mean, that's

1441
01:06:24.848 --> 01:06:27.840
why her whole thing with Renees last week was so, like, you

1442
01:06:27.856 --> 01:06:30.648
know, she. She. She absolved him of it

1443
01:06:30.720 --> 01:06:32.732
before she got. Before her demise.

1444
01:06:33.552 --> 01:06:36.176
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, I thought about that scene.

1445
01:06:36.344 --> 01:06:39.280
No, it was not clear to me at

1446
01:06:39.296 --> 01:06:42.168
all. yeah, because. Because

1447
01:06:42.240 --> 01:06:44.984
I thought everyone was saying, oh, that was a really strange

1448
01:06:45.048 --> 01:06:47.984
scene between Rhaenys and Alan. And I was like,

1449
01:06:48.008 --> 01:06:50.816
yeah, it was like some weird kind of chemistry stuff

1450
01:06:50.864 --> 01:06:53.861
happening there. Very strange, but no.

1451
01:06:54.402 --> 01:06:55.003
so.

1452
01:06:55.187 --> 01:06:57.883
>> Will: So, yeah, my

1453
01:06:57.907 --> 01:07:00.803
apologies for not making it clear to you that, you know, she was, like,

1454
01:07:00.827 --> 01:07:03.729
when she saw him. Yeah, that, Yeah. You know, she

1455
01:07:03.745 --> 01:07:05.441
realized that was his pastor son.

1456
01:07:05.601 --> 01:07:08.542
>> Sarah : Yeah. but it isn't Alan who gets the,

1457
01:07:08.492 --> 01:07:11.093
dragon. It is Adam hole who gets the

1458
01:07:11.117 --> 01:07:13.511
dragon. sea smoke

1459
01:07:13.891 --> 01:07:16.252
and yeah, yeah,

1460
01:07:16.712 --> 01:07:17.064
yeah.

1461
01:07:17.088 --> 01:07:18.012
>> Will: Go ahead, go ahead.

1462
01:07:18.712 --> 01:07:20.464
>> Sarah : No, that was about it.

1463
01:07:20.608 --> 01:07:23.472
>> Will: Oh, no, no, I was just going to say, I mean, speaking of

1464
01:07:23.512 --> 01:07:26.440
ad, you know, Alan, I mean, a couple things,

1465
01:07:26.496 --> 01:07:29.368
you know, he was, because he is Corliss's

1466
01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:32.128
bastard. I mean they did a nice little

1467
01:07:32.240 --> 01:07:35.104
point there, like showing up shape in his head so

1468
01:07:35.248 --> 01:07:38.182
the white valerian hair would not be would not be coming out.

1469
01:07:38.222 --> 01:07:41.150
And also just, you know, with the whole pairing and we touched on it

1470
01:07:41.166 --> 01:07:43.968
somewhat. Sir first or stefanous, earlier

1471
01:07:44.080 --> 01:07:46.782
in our discussion. But of course Alan,

1472
01:07:47.082 --> 01:07:49.920
given that he is in a part, you know, given that he

1473
01:07:49.936 --> 01:07:52.784
is, has valerian blood in

1474
01:07:52.808 --> 01:07:55.304
there and it's running through his vein, which he

1475
01:07:55.328 --> 01:07:58.162
is, Valeria, I, ah,

1476
01:07:58.244 --> 01:08:00.952
know all these. I mean, anyway,

1477
01:08:02.252 --> 01:08:05.204
you know, it was going back to something

1478
01:08:05.228 --> 01:08:07.622
we discussed last week about non

1479
01:08:07.702 --> 01:08:10.202
targaryens flying,

1480
01:08:10.812 --> 01:08:13.648
being able to monitor dragons. So a couple things.

1481
01:08:13.720 --> 01:08:16.376
One, you know, sea smoke was, was bonded

1482
01:08:16.464 --> 01:08:19.274
to Linnae

1483
01:08:19.298 --> 01:08:22.126
or Leonor

1484
01:08:22.254 --> 01:08:25.156
Valerian, Renera's first husband. Remember he was the,

1485
01:08:25.204 --> 01:08:27.900
he was the closet. Yeah, yeah,

1486
01:08:28.036 --> 01:08:30.932
I have forgotten about that aspect. one,

1487
01:08:30.972 --> 01:08:33.748
so I forgot sea smoke was his dragon. so I

1488
01:08:33.780 --> 01:08:36.628
did put the connections together this week and then, but

1489
01:08:36.660 --> 01:08:39.042
also, you know,

1490
01:08:39.782 --> 01:08:42.774
to that point, you know, of course he, you know, he faked his death. In the

1491
01:08:42.798 --> 01:08:45.550
books he actually was killed, but you know, but in the

1492
01:08:45.566 --> 01:08:48.550
show they faked his death and he went away. But given

1493
01:08:48.606 --> 01:08:51.494
that sea smoke, I thought about a scene earlier in the

1494
01:08:51.518 --> 01:08:54.110
season where they were talking about seasmoke, you know, feeling

1495
01:08:54.206 --> 01:08:56.202
lonely and lost

1496
01:08:57.222 --> 01:09:00.144
was you know, maybe it was a sign

1497
01:09:00.248 --> 01:09:03.246
that he was killed. Linnaeor

1498
01:09:03.294 --> 01:09:06.222
was killed because, you know, you can't, you know,

1499
01:09:06.302 --> 01:09:08.522
a dragon can't be bonded to two people.

1500
01:09:09.022 --> 01:09:11.950
So I wonder, you know, one, I wonder if he was killed off, off

1501
01:09:12.006 --> 01:09:14.958
screen and just didn't know it because that's why now he

1502
01:09:15.030 --> 01:09:17.790
could, now sea smoke could take another

1503
01:09:17.846 --> 01:09:20.470
person. and then also the fact

1504
01:09:20.526 --> 01:09:22.966
that Alan,

1505
01:09:23.094 --> 01:09:26.062
as it does have Corlys blood running through

1506
01:09:26.102 --> 01:09:28.002
him. Corlys is

1507
01:09:28.382 --> 01:09:30.822
Valerian. So, you know, they

1508
01:09:30.902 --> 01:09:33.786
can you know, they, the freehold

1509
01:09:33.914 --> 01:09:36.754
can, can be bonded to dragons. So that's maybe

1510
01:09:36.778 --> 01:09:39.738
that's why sea smokes, you know, did smell that and

1511
01:09:39.770 --> 01:09:42.770
gave him a chance to like, you know, prove himself.

1512
01:09:42.826 --> 01:09:45.778
And clearly he did because, you know, we get the end scene there

1513
01:09:45.810 --> 01:09:48.730
where they spot sea smoke

1514
01:09:48.746 --> 01:09:49.982
with a new rider. So.

1515
01:09:51.162 --> 01:09:53.826
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, they certainly

1516
01:09:53.874 --> 01:09:56.548
do. so I may not have picked up on

1517
01:09:56.620 --> 01:09:59.448
course, liz cheating, but

1518
01:09:59.544 --> 01:10:02.248
I did pick up on that, Seasmoke

1519
01:10:02.304 --> 01:10:05.070
was, Lenora's dragon. So

1520
01:10:05.970 --> 01:10:06.870
we're even.

1521
01:10:10.750 --> 01:10:12.560
>> Will: sorry to remind you about that. And,

1522
01:10:12.970 --> 01:10:15.542
>> Sarah : And, yeah, sorry I didn't make it clear back in the

1523
01:10:15.566 --> 01:10:18.110
episode where she points out Seasmoke is my

1524
01:10:18.150 --> 01:10:20.550
late husband's dragon.

1525
01:10:20.710 --> 01:10:21.450
>> Will: Yeah.

1526
01:10:23.030 --> 01:10:25.854
>> Sarah : I mean, the woman has, like, had husbands

1527
01:10:25.902 --> 01:10:28.782
and then an affair with her uncle.

1528
01:10:28.846 --> 01:10:31.182
Like, yeah, I get it. Renaire's very

1529
01:10:31.246 --> 01:10:31.918
complicated.

1530
01:10:32.014 --> 01:10:34.846
>> Will: I got, like I joked before, I need to have, like, a

1531
01:10:34.878 --> 01:10:37.582
chart each time we talk about this show just to, like, make

1532
01:10:37.606 --> 01:10:40.502
sure all the various characters and who was married

1533
01:10:40.526 --> 01:10:42.310
to who and that kind of stuff.

1534
01:10:42.350 --> 01:10:44.850
>> Sarah : Because you would note of thrones

1535
01:10:44.930 --> 01:10:47.778
because we're talking multiple families, where

1536
01:10:47.794 --> 01:10:50.070
you're just like, okay, who is what?

1537
01:10:50.650 --> 01:10:53.626
And. And granted, in this show, I feel it

1538
01:10:53.658 --> 01:10:56.450
even more now that everyone's name and people

1539
01:10:56.530 --> 01:10:59.490
pretty much same name, just one syllable difference. That's

1540
01:10:59.530 --> 01:11:02.314
not hard at all to keep track

1541
01:11:02.362 --> 01:11:02.930
of.

1542
01:11:03.090 --> 01:11:04.230
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

1543
01:11:04.770 --> 01:11:05.228
>> Sarah : Oh, man.

1544
01:11:05.308 --> 01:11:07.288
>> Will: But, yeah, yeah,

1545
01:11:08.868 --> 01:11:09.708
yeah, yeah.

1546
01:11:09.788 --> 01:11:12.644
One other thing. A team black I was going to mention. I guess we. There is a.

1547
01:11:12.676 --> 01:11:15.404
There is. I guess another dragon is out there that's not claimed

1548
01:11:15.436 --> 01:11:18.352
because, we did see Raina when, she

1549
01:11:18.368 --> 01:11:21.220
was up in the, bell with, all the dead sheep

1550
01:11:22.120 --> 01:11:25.008
and the dead, dead animals and, of course, the burn marks

1551
01:11:25.024 --> 01:11:27.800
on the grounds. There is. There is another dragon that's out there, too.

1552
01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:30.352
That's. And Olaf is still, you know, of

1553
01:11:30.376 --> 01:11:33.184
course, you know, speaking of the small folk, you

1554
01:11:33.192 --> 01:11:36.072
know, we did see him briefly in this episode, too, before the

1555
01:11:36.096 --> 01:11:38.048
big. The big thing, so.

1556
01:11:38.224 --> 01:11:40.872
>> Sarah : Yeah, black team is rising. You

1557
01:11:40.896 --> 01:11:43.800
know, they have.

1558
01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:46.626
May have, not had the

1559
01:11:46.658 --> 01:11:49.466
strongest season, but they've been plotting

1560
01:11:49.538 --> 01:11:52.418
some stuff, and we're getting to

1561
01:11:52.474 --> 01:11:55.332
kind of an even playing field, especially with

1562
01:11:55.356 --> 01:11:57.640
Veigar and amend. But,

1563
01:11:58.690 --> 01:12:00.230
next week's, the penultimate

1564
01:12:01.290 --> 01:12:04.194
series is known to have great penultimate episodes,

1565
01:12:04.362 --> 01:12:06.844
so, looking forward to that. And

1566
01:12:06.964 --> 01:12:09.890
I. And then. And then we'll be at the season finale.

1567
01:12:09.962 --> 01:12:12.570
I mean, yeah,

1568
01:12:12.682 --> 01:12:13.414
races.

1569
01:12:13.834 --> 01:12:16.674
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. And it'll be, I guess, 2026 before we get

1570
01:12:16.714 --> 01:12:17.738
to the next season.

1571
01:12:17.826 --> 01:12:20.762
>> Sarah : So just keep it in

1572
01:12:20.778 --> 01:12:22.626
the salt and the wound. Salt in the wound.

1573
01:12:22.690 --> 01:12:25.570
>> Will: I know. I know. This is just painful. This is painful

1574
01:12:25.602 --> 01:12:26.494
to think about.

1575
01:12:28.554 --> 01:12:31.234
>> Sarah : If I got through the hiatus between. In one and two.

1576
01:12:31.274 --> 01:12:33.970
You'll get through the hiatus between two and

1577
01:12:34.002 --> 01:12:34.500
three.

1578
01:12:34.642 --> 01:12:34.884
>> Will: Yeah. Ah.

1579
01:12:35.274 --> 01:12:37.894
>> Sarah : on that note, will, why don't you tell our listeners where they can find

1580
01:12:37.934 --> 01:12:38.590
you?

1581
01:12:38.782 --> 01:12:41.324
>> Will: Yes, you can find me, on Xform,

1582
01:12:41.364 --> 01:12:44.268
leadonis, Twitter at will and Polk. W I

1583
01:12:44.316 --> 01:12:45.644
l l m m p.

1584
01:12:45.684 --> 01:12:48.364
>> Sarah : O l k. You can find me there too. At SJ

1585
01:12:48.404 --> 01:12:51.196
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1586
01:12:51.220 --> 01:12:54.092
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1587
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1588
01:12:56.188 --> 01:12:59.140
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1589
01:12:59.212 --> 01:13:02.022
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1590
01:13:02.078 --> 01:13:04.910
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1591
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1592
01:13:07.910 --> 01:13:08.414
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