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Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont And with
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me, as always, is our mister producer, Will Polk. How are you doing
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tonight, will?
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Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How are you doing this evening?
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Sarah : I'm doing good.
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I think you're a bit more excited than I
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am, tonight, but we shall see how
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this discussion goes.
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Will: Well, I'm excited to talk about House of the
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dragon, for sure. I. Of course, we're also going to be
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talking about Deadpool and Wolverine, and then the other
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big. We're not going to go ahead and just say, now, folks,
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we're not going to do the whole laundry list of San Diego
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Comic Con, because there's a lot of stuff, and
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it wasn't. Yeah, so. So we're just going to focus on Marvel
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tonight.
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Sarah : Yeah, yeah, Marvel. And, and the
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stuff going on as, I've
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spent a lot of time between, when
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everything happened, I saw Wolverine,
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Deadpool, and listening
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to, like, Wolverine and Deadpool people
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thoughts and opinions, and then every. All of
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the San Diego Comic Con Marvel news that come
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out. All of those.
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so I guess just start with that
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stuff and kind of get the,
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get the, stuff going.
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like Captain America four.
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We've Scene the trailer. I guess there's not, in my
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opinion, much to say, except, like, yeah,
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we know it's coming in February.
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Will: Yeah, yeah, that one. I mean, I guess,
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Giancarlo's character, was
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revealed to be the leader of the serpent society, which I know,
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I think folks, that theorize that, trailer,
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so. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, folks, you know, all
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the. All the theorizers and whatnot had.
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Had said that. And of course, I think the fun thing about that panel
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was this Harrison Ford just hulking out. But,
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but, yeah, yeah.
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Sarah : And then you got the thunderbolts. I
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don't tell me
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what. What I, like, need to know about the
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thunderbolts. I feel like I already know, but I
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might have missed something.
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Will: well, I think, you know, honestly, the thing that,
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that particular panel, I
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just remember David harbor just walking out in the red Guardian
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costume. Yeah. Because.
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Yeah, because, I mean, just in full disclosure. So whenever
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the Marvel panel was going down on Saturday night,
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I was actually doing another Marvel thing and watching
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Deadpool and Wolverine. So, so
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I did not see a real time. so
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it was really, like, after the fact. And.
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Sarah : Yeah, because I. I tweeted I had
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sent you a DM about RDJ.
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Will: Yeah.
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Sarah : That's so funny. I thought you were.
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Will: No, no, we'll see. I'll save my comments for that here in a
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bit. But, yeah. yeah, but, yeah, I guess.
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Yeah, I guess there was a trailer. I guess they showed in hall
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h for people, which, you know, happens.
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And, I guess I had to see, you know, normally, I remember, like,
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what was the Ant man and the wasp? I think they were
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quantum mania. I think some people, like, took footage of that and posted
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it badly on the Internet, but I didn't see any
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footage from thunderbolts. I'm sure it's out there. I just. Twitter's just
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a shit show these days with all the politics
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and stuff. I just don't really spend much time on it
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anymore.
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Sarah : I think people were too obsessed with
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putting out spoilers for Deadpool Wolverine
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this weekend.
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Will: Okay, so.
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Sarah : So that. That's, at least in a
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way, kind of a silver ah lining
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of having that movie come out like San
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Diego Comic Con weekend is. I feel like
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I saw a lot more spoilers about that,
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than I did anything about besides the
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headlines. but no footage,
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really, which is fine. I don't. I don't need footage.
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I mean, you guys give away three fourths of the movie
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in the trailers anyway, so.
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Will: Yeah.
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Sarah : And, like, Fantastic Four, very similar.
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Where they're. They. They
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technically, from what I understand, have not started
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production, so they. But they did
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show, like, a.
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What would you call it?
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Will: I guess there's, like, test footage.
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Sarah : Yeah, test footage. First look. And I
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also heard, this is going to be set
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in the sixties, like a retro sixties. And
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the art director slash,
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like, costumer or
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set person designer.
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using very technical turns tonight, by the way,
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they are the same person
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behind Loki.
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Will: That's right. I did hear that.
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Sarah : And as soon as I heard that, I was like, okay,
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ticket sold.
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Go back and listen to our review, our
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reactions to Loki season one. I
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raved about the art direction the entire
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season, and I do not do that with every
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single show. So that is
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very promising.
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and between that and also, just a
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reminder, the director is the same director from
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WandaVision. So again, we had those early
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episodes, like, homages to
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decade television over the years.
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So, I mean, once you
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start really wrapping your mind around
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the potential,
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I think. I think it's exciting. And
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there was, of course, the big tease for
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Galactus.
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Will: Yeah. Yep.
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Sarah : And elixir tease for doom. But what?
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Will: Yeah, Galactus. Yeah, Galactus. And also, they
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had the big fantastic Four, too. I guess it, like, set a Guinness
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book of world record usage of drones.
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Yeah, yeah. with that. And also, we got the title
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for the film, which is pretty, pretty, pretty
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standard. Fantastic four first steps
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and Yeah, and I think they are. I think they. Yeah, so
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basically, like you said, the cast showed up and then
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I, believe they're starting to film, I think, this
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upcoming week in London. So.
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Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. They.
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I actually think they are starting this week, but I could be
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wrong. They are starting
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and in a year we will actually be able to go and
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see that movie. So that
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is fun.
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But, but the big thing, everyone's talking about it.
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Everyone technically has already talked about it, but
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now it's been confirmed that
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not only are ah, the Russo brothers back
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to direct the next two Avengers
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movies, Avengers doomsday and
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Avengers Secret wars, but
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Doctor Doom will be played by our
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dj and will,
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I'm just gonna let you go.
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Will: No, I want to hear your thoughts. So,
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you know, my thoughts.
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Sarah : Really? I forgot.
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Will: Okay. Yeah.
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So as I touched on earlier, I had
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gone to see daredevil Wolverines Saturday
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night. And so I come out of the
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theater and
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jumped on my phone and
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saw, a message from me, with this news.
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And so I went
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from feeling very, very
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like I was
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in good vibes, as you said, at the
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start. I'm probably more excited tonight to talk about
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that film than, you are.
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or maybe I'm just assuming that,
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but when I saw your message,
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I think I messaged you back with a sideways face
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emoji. Like, I have mixed feelings about
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this. And I do, because
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I went from like, well, that's really great to
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like, you know, as far as the movie, having a great
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feeling to like, I m
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just don't know about this because I think I'm on the record
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when we've talked about
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possibilities of him coming back.
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and that I always felt that it was
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undermined everything that was set up with,
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with a great send off that they had and
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game.
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Will: And so, you
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know, so as your.
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Sarah : As your feelings changed.
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Will: Nope. Not at all. The more
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nope, I'm not, I'm not excited about this.
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I'm really not. I just, I mean, even
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though, you know, I think as we've gotten a little bit, I
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think the night of the announcement, they
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did say that is, you know, Victor von
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Doom. Of course, there's so many things out there as
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far as like the what if comic that had
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body swap and you know, all these, you know, the
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various, potential
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Tony Stark variants. Yeah, we don't,
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we don't know. We don't know.
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Sarah : Okay. Can I. Okay.
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Because, like, there's a
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reason why we're talking about this last and then gonna go into
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Deadpool and Wolverine is because
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I find it interesting how,
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spoiler alert will like the movie more than
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me. And,
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your criticism about this casting
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news is that it will
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undermine the death
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of Tony Stark. And yet, within the
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first five minutes of Deadpool and Wolverine,
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they make a point of being like,
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yeah, yeah, we're not. We're not really
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gonna uphold, his death, but it's gonna be
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satisfying to have him back for this
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leg, and he's still gonna be back. So I guess my
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point being is that
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given the new rules
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of this universe, especially
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after Deadpool and Wolverine, I
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don't. I would have had.
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We had this conversation a month ago,
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I would have totally agreed with you. But
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having watched Deadpool and Wolverine, I'm like, that's not the
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unit. That's not the MCU anymore. I mean,
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they can do that not only because of that,
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but there's also this little show,
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Loki. Technically, the loki
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we saw. M not the same one
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who died. And by the end of season two,
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you already forgot about,
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like, the fact that, like, technically, in
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the movies, he dies, but there's this also this other
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version of him that goes on the side quest, and you end up really
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liking him. Like, I.
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So. So with those two
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points. Yeah, I
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don't. I think that.
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That I.
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On surface level, I get it, but.
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But I think. I think you got to have a
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little bit more trust that some of these,
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writers and directors, and especially because,
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like, rdj just
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loves to show up, people. And the
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sad thing is, like, the big news, in
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my opinion, and what's really promising here is that the Russo
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brothers are back, and they
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have really wanted to tell secret
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wars.
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Will: Yeah.
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Sarah : So, yeah, they.
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They're not going to let Feige just
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say, okay, so we're going to let you do this, but
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we're also going to bring back our DJ. I have
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a theory. It was their idea.
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Will: Yeah, I mean, well, I think. I think you're right.
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And I think the, With
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all the stuff going on with Jonathan majors, it gave them an
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more satisfying ending. So, so
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being like, we can't completely throw out everything we've
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Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah, I agree. I mean, there's,
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von Doom, and I do think that it's
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don't. And it's just me talking, and I haven't
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read all the comics and all the
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theories and whatnot,
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he. He is Victor von Doom. He's not a Tony variant.
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explain why he looks very similar and,
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within the story. I mean, because I.
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actors who played a different characters within
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Sarah : I'm just going to go on record. I really hope they don't do what you're
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saying you think they're going to do.
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Will: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I really don't know. I don't know that they
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will just ignore it and just, like,
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you know, he's just a fresh character.
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Sarah : It wouldn't make any sense to me
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because of the multiverse.
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ignore it. To do it is one thing, like
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having to do it. Pre
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multiverse saga. Sure,
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sure. Totally understand that. Whatever.
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I don't know. To me, that doesn't make sense. And I
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want, something also to point out
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is doomsday is
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in doctor doom colors, the poster,
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the logo, and then,
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secret wars is Tony Stark colors.
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Will: Yeah. Yeah.
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Sarah : So I think maybe what
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you're picking up on is for a
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movie, we'll get, like,
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Victor Von Doom, but we're gonna get Tony.
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Will: Yeah, yeah. Well, if you're gonna do
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stuck casting, then let's just bring in Tom Cruise to play Tony
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Stark.
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Sarah : You know, you know, like Matt Damon
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found himself, like, just managed to get
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himself into these movies. So why not? Why
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Will: If we're going to throw $80 million at the resource brothers and, you know,
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apiece for these films. So. Yeah, yeah,
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so. And it's nothing. It's Robert Downey
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Junior. I. He's a wonderful
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actor, and he will definitely bring a
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different element to this, but it's just going
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to be, you know, even though he's a fantastic
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actor, it's going to be hard for me.
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switch gears and be like, oh, this is a
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different character. even though it.
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comic book where I can, like, switch
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gears like that. It's like I, was thinking about it, like,
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like if bringing in Star Trek here, it's like if you
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brought William Shack into, like, you know,
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he played Kirk, and then in the next film,
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he's like, con. I mean, it's just like going from
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hero to villain, and I'm just like. They're just so
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iconic in the roles that they inhabited in
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that unit, that universe that it's
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just very hard for me to like to
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get over it. And it does this. It does this wreak to
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me of, and kind of what Deadpool and Wolverine,
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in his own kind of way, was like poking fun
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at Marvel. You know, they even called it out
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in the film as far as their desperation. And, it
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just, it just reeks of this.
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back to the hits that we know, and there's
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no guarantee that. Yes, you know, the Rooster brothers,
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yeah, they did a wonderful job, but that was a long time. That
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was many years ago, and some of their projects ever since
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have not been so good. And,
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the genre is at a place now
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where, yeah, you know, people still like comic book movies and
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stuff, but, you know, it's not 2018
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or 2019 when these films came out. So the
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landscape's totally different now. And so there's
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no guarantee that, that, ah, light is going to be captured in the bottle again.
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Sarah : Yeah, but that's with anything. Like, if you, if they were
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to hire new, new directors, it would
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be very similar. Like, well, we'll
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see. I mean, like, there, there is no
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guarantee, but you can apply that to virtually
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anything.
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Will: Yeah, look at Star wars.
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Sarah : So, yeah, yeah, I,
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would, initially, I
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would agree desperation. But on, thinking about
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it and hearing the price tag,
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aren't doing that bad.
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Will: They're not, they're not. I mean, just artistic.
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Sarah : Put all of this money, like,
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is very strong word. And I
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just, I don't. It's, I
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mean, come on. It's not like they're, they're in
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the place where the DCU
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was a year, like,
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like, and this, this has a hefty
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price tag. So I,
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I don't know, like, we're not in the rooms.
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We're not, we're not behind the scenes. And
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honestly, we don't want to be because we want to just go to the movies
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and let the story take over. I think
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that initial reaction and discussion
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has been very fascinating.
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some of the best discourse I've heard come
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out of an announcement
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at any type of these
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events, in a very long time, not
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because of the excitement, but because of the
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honest. Like, let's have a
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chat about this. Let's have a chat about the state of the
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genre. Let's have a chat about,
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like, these characters and the
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storylines and what's working and what's not. And
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I think, and that
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is what's more intriguing.
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then just, I mean, the
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sad thing is, if they had cast somebody new, it'd just be like,
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okay, well, what have they done before? We'll
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see. When now it's a very
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different conversation, and I think it's a far more
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interesting conversation. So I'm just happy
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about that.
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Will: Yeah, I, oh, I completely agree. I completely agree.
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like, you know, if, you know, we, you'll have the receipts.
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If I'm like, gushing in
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2026 and
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2027, we were watching these two films. And actually, even, I
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guess, even next year when Fantastic
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Four drops and at
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least, yeah, well, you know, we'll get the end credit with,
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you know, with him introduced and, and I guess that's the other thing, too,
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I guess, you know, looking at the earlier phases,
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with, like, the thanos, with the whole build up,
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I guess, you, know, by the time we got
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to Infinity War and endgame, we had, we had
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three phases under us and there was just ten years
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of build up and stuff. So they're going to have to just
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manufacture that level
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of intensity which you know, I think, you know,
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casting Robert Downey junior definitely gets you at already probably
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at level seven.
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Sarah : Well, especially if it's a stark variant
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of.
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Will: Yeah.
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Sarah : Or if Stark has always been a variant of
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doom.
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Will: Yeah.
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Sarah : Like, that's another way to do it
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is like. Like Tony Stark was unique
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for our planet, but. Or
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he was our anchor.
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Will: Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's the thing. I mean, you're right. I mean, the
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thing, the anchor, the whole
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concept anchor beans. I mean, you know, and
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you made an excellent point too, with, with the
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vibe from Loki and Fantastic Four, but also just
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Loki doing the reset, you know, at the end of
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season two, with the whole multiverse,
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all that we've known up to this point, is
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can really. It can be twisted and turned
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inside out. But, you know, I guess it's
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just for me to.
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Sarah : It doesn't negate anything that has come
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before.
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Will: No, no.
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Sarah : We know that they did it in a way where those
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are, like, consolidated stories
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and phases and of other stuff. But,
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yeah, it's.
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timing for Marvel, which, the one more
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thing I want to just point out, too, is
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that, we've talked about a lot of the Marvel
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announcements, but there are
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two dates, from what I understand, on the
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calendar that, and I think one
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is right before the
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first doomsday comes out, and then
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one in between Doomsday and secret
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wars that they have not
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announced what will occur.
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and then, of course, between
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now in secret wars, there's going to be
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a new Spider man, but Spider man doesn't count because it's Sony
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projects. So
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or Feige was just like,
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we've gone both directions on this, where
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we've held black and just did everything for
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D 23, and then we've done the other
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end where we've given everything
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and announced things that honestly never
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came true. and
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we'll get into a few of those shortly,
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but, yeah, and so
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they made very purposeful
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announcements and,
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like, build of excitement for
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projects that are definitely going to happen.
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and then they also kept some things that
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to share
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later. So.
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Will: Yeah. Now, is one of those. One of those dates? Is that
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hell for thunderbolts, by chance?
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Sarah : No. Okay.
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Will: Okay.
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Sarah : They're unnamed Marvel
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projects, from what I understand.
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and I'm pretty sure it's two. It could be
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three, but there's one right before
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doomsday, and there's one in between
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the two avengers. Speculation
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is, doctor strange three,
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and, country.
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Yeah.
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Will: I think that's what. Yeah, I mean, I know, I know
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Iger, like, I know they were definitely throttling
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back on a lot of the television production and, and
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only doing well, I think Iger was, what, two,
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maybe three films a year? So, you
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know, so I, I
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wonder if those dates will get shuffled around,
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given, given the new focus that
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they're trying to, you know,
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pull back some of the, you know, spread these projects
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out to get, you know, get the artistic levels back
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to where it used to be.
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Sarah : Oh, oh, yeah. I'm all about spreading projects
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out, but at the same time, if there's,
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we're telling a much larger story here. I mean, you said
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it yourself, we're gonna have to manufacture
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some, some, decades
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worth of stories. So.
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Will: Yeah, yeah. Especially when you have 67 characters
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show up in, show up in secret War.
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Sarah : So I feel like we, we had
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at least 50 show up in, like, the
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final fight scene in Endgame. So, yeah,
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we did a lot of characters, guys.
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Will: Yeah, there's been a lot. Yeah, yeah. To your point about budget.
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Yeah. They're not going to spare any expense.
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Sarah : Yeah. All right,
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so. So, Deadpool, I guess I'm
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just going to start with, my opening thought.
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And it took me a while to come to this realization.
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My theory is that
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because it dawned on me earlier
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today what our first reactions were
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to the trailer for this movie.
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I vaguely remember, and you can correct me if I'm
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wrong, you made a comment. You're like,
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I just. They, they kept saying the f
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word, like, over religiously.
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Will: Yep.
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Sarah : now, now. And me, I was like,
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oh, I did not notice that at all. I noticed
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that throughout the entire movie. I just, There
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was something. I don't know what it was.
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I enjoyed myself. I had a smile on the full
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time now,
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emphasis on smile on my face the
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full time. When you're
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sitting in a movie theater and
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clearly jokes are hitting because you
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suddenly start to hear the laughter
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and you're like, oh, like, I
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understood, but I just. For some
570
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reason, the jokes were not hitting me. Like,
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they. I don't know what it was.
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I think I was just in a bad mood that
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day. Honestly. I did not go to the
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theater, like, with the right mental
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headspace, I will give it that.
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So take what I say with
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a grain of salt. I know it was
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funny, but at the same time, I
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can't lie to y'all. I really don't
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know when I actually fully laughed at
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anything. and,
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and it's not that the humor was
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very. It's like the sexual stuff.
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No, I think I might have laughed at a few of those,
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but I just, I don't know, there was
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something where I just,
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I never fully got lost in the
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story.
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Will: Yeah, yeah.
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Sarah : And it was, and it was, I am one of
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those people, is just like, there just was way too
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many jokes. No,
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I don't know.
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Will: Yeah, see, it's funny that you bring that up
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because actually I thought about our conversation too, in
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the first, with that, with the opening scene.
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and I remember I was, and I
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remember our reaction to that first, to the trailer. And I,
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and you're right, I did say that
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all the f bombs. And then the other thing is I felt like they
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were trying too hard.
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Sarah : Yeah.
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Will: And so my, initially,
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when the film first started, I, I
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was, I wasn't,
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I did, I was, you know, it took me a while to get
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into that, into the groove of it because I
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did feel like, oh man, they're trying too damn hard. They really are
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trying too damn hard. with, with, with that opening
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credit. And you know, they did
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like not to go back to our discussion about
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RDH, RDJ. I mean, they did try to honor
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what happened in Logan and they did address
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it that's like, look, you know, we, this, this,
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to the story's credit, they did just say,
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look, this, this wolverine's a variant. He's
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not the Logan that you saw in, you know, James
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Mangold's film, when we say goodbye to that
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character years ago.
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Sarah : Right, right.
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Will: so there, so I did appreciate
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that because I was wondering how they were going to tackle that.
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But the humor that with the TVA and
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all that stuff. Now that piece did not hit for me and I felt
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like it went a bit long.
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Sarah : Mm
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Will: But once he got into the TVA and you know, once it got
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into the story and you know, some of the meta
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jokes and I just, I love meta humor. Humor.
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So, so I had,
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I had several just laugh out loud moments,
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you know, like, like one that still sticks out to me. That right top
633
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my head is the whole Jennifer Garner and Penn
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Affleck joke.
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as far as there with the whole daredevil
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movie and the blade.
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And obviously the blade one, I mean, I think the blade one was the one
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where I was just like, I was on the floor.
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but, but it was interesting, it was
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interesting in my theater because it was a note, if it
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was like in yours, where it was a real cross section of
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like people. So you had younger folk yet, millennials and gen
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z ers yet Gen xers like me.
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And so, like, a lot of the humor for me as a Gen
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xer and just remembering those Marvel films, like when I was
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in my, like twenties,
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it hit for me, and maybe that's, maybe I was
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at that.
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It was a four quadrant film, I think. So some things hit
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for some people, some things didn't. And for you, it just,
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you, like you said, you had a smile on your face, but some of it just
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kind of like, I
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don't know, it's.
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Sarah : It'S like,
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I want to be clear,
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because I think sometimes when we talk about
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humor and we say things hit and things don't
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hit, it doesn't necessarily mean you didn't understand
659
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the joke.
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Will: Yeah, yeah.
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Sarah : because it's just more like,
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for whatever reason, either the way, the
663
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way it was said, the way it was executed,
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the way, the
665
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punchline, it just did not
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like, make me laugh out loud. It
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was more like, okay, uh-huh. I got
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it. Like, I will admit,
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the one joke that a lot of people have talked about, and
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you even brought it up that I didn't know
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anything about or the implications around was
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mainly the blade joke. I didn't, I
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forgot, honestly, Ryan Reynolds was ever in blade
674
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because I never saw that last movie.
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Will: Yeah.
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Sarah : and I definitely did not know the history between
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the two actors.
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Will: Yeah.
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Sarah : So, I mean, I think the, some of the funniest
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stuff came from Channing Tatum. because, yeah, because,
681
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and that worked. But,
682
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but I also, it didn't work
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because I was just like Deadpool, where I'm like, I have no idea
684
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what you're saying. I have no idea.
685
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Will: I think that was part of my. So,
686
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yeah, so I think for me, like, the Channing
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tatum stuff worked for a couple of reasons. You know, I liked it.
688
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One, just because I know we didn't, I know we haven't
689
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spent hardly any time talking about it here on the podcast, but I
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just do know, like, all help for years, he was
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like, before John Krasinski is Reed Richards, it was Channing
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Tatum and Gambit.
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Sarah : You know, I felt, I felt like we talked a lot
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about this gambit movie. I remember, okay,
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like, I'm pretty sure, and I could have just made
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00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:06.064
this up in my head. He came out of stage at Sandy K
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to go Comic Con 2019, like
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the same year they announced Mahershala Ali.
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This was a legit thing. I like,
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like, I forgot that. Yeah, those
701
00:32:16.944 --> 00:32:19.528
jokes worked for me. It's just that towards the end of
702
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it, I was just like Deadpool. I'm like, I
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don't understand. And, and they've done three
704
00:32:25.064 --> 00:32:28.028
times, but I, I, ah, think it's.
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And you know, I like meta humor, so it's
706
00:32:32.094 --> 00:32:34.478
not like I don't. Because we watch the boys.
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Will: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
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Sarah : But for whatever reason, it
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just felt like
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it was the same jokes
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again and again. Like, I
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00:32:48.886 --> 00:32:51.650
don't know why, but I just was
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tired by the end of it. I'm like, you've only
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made a very, like, like, talk
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about multiverse, in my
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opinion. And I have, I've only watched this
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movie once. and I
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00:33:05.270 --> 00:33:08.126
know I am in the minority on this, but for
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whatever reason, like, maybe this was
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done on purpose, but it felt like all of the
721
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jokes were just variants of the same
722
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meta jokes. Like, and I'm like, again and
723
00:33:20.046 --> 00:33:22.950
again. So maybe there is some underlining joke
724
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on that, which I think it was, but
725
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at the same time, I'm like, yeah, I did not sign up
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for that.
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Will: Yeah, I think that. I think that's part
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of the. I think that was part of it. Sarah, you nailed it.
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I mean, I think that's part
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of what was. So, to me, what was sort of the genius of that, of
731
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that film. and because I wasn't going
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into it, honestly, I had so I had high
733
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expect, I had high expectations
734
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of being entertained, which I was. But as
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far as it being, like, carrying anything forward
736
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as far as the MCU and everything else, I was just sort of
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like, let me just, you know, let me
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just see what happens. And I, you know, and I think, you know,
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I did, you know, and we, we were talking
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about last week with the x 23
741
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spoiler. now that we've watched it, you
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know, I didn't, I didn't see the trailer, but,
743
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I, you know, saw that trending on Twitter and I was like,
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God damn it. So. But, you know, but at the
745
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same time, I was super. Whenever,
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whenever Wesley Snipes showed up on
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screen, and
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that one that I was, for me, that was just like,
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again, my gen xer, you know,
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remember going back, remembering watching that m the first
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blade movie. Oh, so
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good, so good. And then, of course, the
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other. Not only the jokes that he and Reiner were, like, exchanging,
754
00:34:48.910 --> 00:34:51.398
but he did the line where he was just like, I'm the only
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blade.
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Sarah : Yeah, I mean, that was, that was a good one.
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That was a good. Partly because Deadpool did not
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technically respond exactly
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like, that was another thing.
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I was just like, wolverine, where I'm like,
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dude, let other people have some freaking
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lines. And so I'm watching the movie.
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I last week, for those who listen, know,
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I had no idea what will was talking about when he
765
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alluded to this infamous spoiler.
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So I did spend, and maybe this was
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to my enjoyment, like,
768
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hindered my enjoyment of the, ah, at least the first
769
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two thirds of the movie. But
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I was trying to be on lookout for, like, what the
771
00:35:36.196 --> 00:35:38.648
heck was will talking about? Now
772
00:35:38.988 --> 00:35:41.900
rewind to the night before I went because I went on a
773
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Sunday and, Saturday I'm on
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TikTok and, the Chris Evans,
775
00:35:48.658 --> 00:35:51.574
showing up, as, not as Captain America, but as
776
00:35:51.606 --> 00:35:54.498
Johnny Storm got ruined for me.
777
00:35:55.358 --> 00:35:58.334
I'm in the theater, that part comes and I'm
778
00:35:58.366 --> 00:36:00.958
like, this had better been the spoiler
779
00:36:01.038 --> 00:36:03.898
because. And that is effed up.
780
00:36:04.438 --> 00:36:07.398
Will: Yeah. And then I'm sorry,
781
00:36:07.438 --> 00:36:10.358
that got ruined for it because that, that was. That was one of those, that was another one of
782
00:36:10.358 --> 00:36:13.174
those fours. I was like, I was like, they got
783
00:36:13.206 --> 00:36:13.778
me.
784
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Sarah : But, but, like, but
785
00:36:16.926 --> 00:36:19.878
fast forward to when x 23 shows
786
00:36:19.918 --> 00:36:21.578
up and my mind's just like,
787
00:36:22.558 --> 00:36:25.326
yeah, cool, cool. All right, all right. And then I asked
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00:36:25.382 --> 00:36:27.990
will what the spoiler were and he's like, x 23? And I'm
789
00:36:28.014 --> 00:36:30.686
like, I thought that was a known
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00:36:30.742 --> 00:36:33.734
thing. I was not surprised when she showed
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00:36:33.766 --> 00:36:33.798
up.
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00:36:34.300 --> 00:36:37.204
Will: yeah, that was the known thing because they spoiled it. They killed that
793
00:36:37.236 --> 00:36:37.876
scene.
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00:36:38.052 --> 00:36:40.780
Sarah : Well, no, no, no, but let me finish. I was not
795
00:36:40.844 --> 00:36:43.588
spoiled yet. The scene did
796
00:36:43.628 --> 00:36:45.888
not affect me in any way.
797
00:36:47.188 --> 00:36:49.996
Like, so the reveal did not
798
00:36:50.052 --> 00:36:52.908
work, and yet it was technically a reveal
799
00:36:52.948 --> 00:36:55.858
for me. I am done. Okay.
800
00:36:56.198 --> 00:36:59.094
Will: Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
801
00:36:59.286 --> 00:37:02.128
I, hear you. I, think that, well, with
802
00:37:02.176 --> 00:37:04.896
all the other. By the time she does walk out
803
00:37:05.080 --> 00:37:07.576
for me, it was like, it got ruined because I saw it on
804
00:37:07.600 --> 00:37:10.382
Twitter maybe, you know, but.
805
00:37:10.438 --> 00:37:13.390
But for you, it didn't, you know, you got ruined
806
00:37:13.422 --> 00:37:16.270
by the Johnny storm when I would have been pissed about seeing that Chris
807
00:37:16.302 --> 00:37:19.266
Evans was in there, Johnny Storm. and that got spoiled for me.
808
00:37:19.290 --> 00:37:22.214
I was very good. I was very lucky that didn't get
809
00:37:22.764 --> 00:37:25.668
hit, spoiled by any of the other, other appearances. And
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00:37:25.676 --> 00:37:28.662
of course, you know, Henry Cavill, we cannot. We
811
00:37:28.678 --> 00:37:31.400
cannot go tonight without talking about, that,
812
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him showing up and, in
813
00:37:34.446 --> 00:37:36.112
the film, which was, a nice
814
00:37:37.332 --> 00:37:40.244
little thing there to have fun.
815
00:37:40.308 --> 00:37:42.632
Have fun at DC's expense there.
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00:37:43.772 --> 00:37:45.232
Sarah : Yeah, yeah.
817
00:37:46.382 --> 00:37:48.894
Well, I. Yeah, they,
818
00:37:49.078 --> 00:37:51.664
they made a movie, Hugh
819
00:37:51.688 --> 00:37:54.304
Jackman, Ryan Reynolds. Chemistry.
820
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Great.
821
00:37:55.192 --> 00:37:56.412
Will: Yeah, basically.
822
00:37:56.712 --> 00:37:59.328
Sarah : Yeah. I mean, it was good. I
823
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:00.802
just. I think it's,
824
00:38:02.632 --> 00:38:04.772
for our longtime listeners,
825
00:38:06.232 --> 00:38:09.208
go back and relisten to some of our
826
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:12.240
reactions to maybe not this season of the boys,
827
00:38:12.296 --> 00:38:14.920
but maybe like previous
828
00:38:15.016 --> 00:38:17.734
season, and then compare
829
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reactions to our reactions. Because
830
00:38:20.750 --> 00:38:23.718
a part of me, I feel like we did some
831
00:38:23.790 --> 00:38:25.482
role reversal here.
832
00:38:30.022 --> 00:38:32.950
I don't know, I feel myself
833
00:38:33.046 --> 00:38:35.870
thinking some of the criticism
834
00:38:36.006 --> 00:38:38.318
that you've had about some of the boys
835
00:38:38.390 --> 00:38:40.838
humor or some of the other
836
00:38:41.030 --> 00:38:43.956
shows that maybe even doom patrol
837
00:38:44.044 --> 00:38:46.716
author out there that slide into this
838
00:38:46.764 --> 00:38:49.512
very, like, dark humor.
839
00:38:50.212 --> 00:38:52.900
And I just
840
00:38:52.956 --> 00:38:55.940
feel like I'm like, wow, wow. I
841
00:38:55.956 --> 00:38:58.644
am seeing Deadpool Wolverine through
842
00:38:58.708 --> 00:39:01.436
Will's eyes, and he
843
00:39:01.484 --> 00:39:03.552
fortunately saw it through mine.
844
00:39:06.852 --> 00:39:09.156
Will: Yeah. You know, it happens. It happens.
845
00:39:09.284 --> 00:39:12.028
Sarah : It does. I mean, I mean,
846
00:39:12.220 --> 00:39:15.196
hey, hey, if only you had. We had done this
847
00:39:15.244 --> 00:39:18.216
when we went to go see, love and thunder,
848
00:39:18.344 --> 00:39:21.104
you know, off of that
849
00:39:21.168 --> 00:39:22.512
different universe.
850
00:39:22.632 --> 00:39:23.452
Will: Totally.
851
00:39:24.792 --> 00:39:26.268
Sarah : Oh, man, for sure.
852
00:39:26.332 --> 00:39:27.188
Will: For sure.
853
00:39:27.372 --> 00:39:30.308
Sarah : Any. Any other big things you want to. You want
854
00:39:30.332 --> 00:39:32.816
to talk about deadpool?
855
00:39:33.856 --> 00:39:36.402
Will: just the only other thing is, I, think the other,
856
00:39:36.742 --> 00:39:39.598
the one story thing that did kind of work for
857
00:39:39.630 --> 00:39:42.174
me was just sort of the recurring theme of the
858
00:39:42.198 --> 00:39:45.062
steadpole with, we just tried to find his place
859
00:39:45.102 --> 00:39:47.948
of belonging. I I did. I did think that worked.
860
00:39:47.980 --> 00:39:50.220
That worked for me in the story, too. So again,
861
00:39:51.626 --> 00:39:54.194
beyond the jokes, I mean, the jokes were great, but.
862
00:39:54.370 --> 00:39:57.362
And I know some people say it's a paper thin plot, and
863
00:39:57.394 --> 00:39:59.972
it is, but I mean, I, you know,
864
00:40:00.164 --> 00:40:02.868
I wasn't going to watch this movie for the plot. You nailed it. It was
865
00:40:02.892 --> 00:40:05.788
like we were going to see Ryan reynolds
866
00:40:05.852 --> 00:40:08.844
and Hugh Jackman just, you know, yuck it up for
867
00:40:09.020 --> 00:40:11.816
2 hours because they just have incredible chemistry.
868
00:40:13.156 --> 00:40:16.056
Sarah : Right? I agree.
869
00:40:18.476 --> 00:40:21.316
I guess I wouldn't say it's
870
00:40:21.356 --> 00:40:23.932
paper thin plot. It's paper
871
00:40:24.004 --> 00:40:25.856
thin character development,
872
00:40:26.446 --> 00:40:29.124
because, yeah, it
873
00:40:29.140 --> 00:40:29.696
was,
874
00:40:32.466 --> 00:40:35.074
there was so much just
875
00:40:35.130 --> 00:40:37.650
the, whether. Whether it was the joke
876
00:40:37.698 --> 00:40:40.090
fest or the meta jokes
877
00:40:40.218 --> 00:40:42.874
or just
878
00:40:42.930 --> 00:40:45.402
the continuous fighting,
879
00:40:45.514 --> 00:40:46.806
people who
880
00:40:47.426 --> 00:40:50.306
regenerate. That's cool.
881
00:40:50.466 --> 00:40:53.290
Maybe one. But no, I feel like we at least got three
882
00:40:53.338 --> 00:40:55.882
sequences of that. Maybe two and a
883
00:40:55.884 --> 00:40:58.780
half. But, but
884
00:40:58.948 --> 00:41:01.906
so, so it just, And then to
885
00:41:01.946 --> 00:41:04.850
have, like, these brief glimmers, I'm gonna be honest.
886
00:41:04.938 --> 00:41:07.242
I love Hugh Jackman. I love his portrayal of
887
00:41:07.274 --> 00:41:10.046
Wolverine. I love his portrayal Logan.
888
00:41:10.346 --> 00:41:13.138
Great. For whatever reason, when.
889
00:41:13.202 --> 00:41:15.946
When Novo went into his
890
00:41:15.986 --> 00:41:18.866
head and then we had those scenes, like,
891
00:41:18.906 --> 00:41:21.872
those scenes did not work for me because I
892
00:41:21.904 --> 00:41:24.792
was just like, I'm not attached to
893
00:41:24.824 --> 00:41:27.184
this version of Wolverine at
894
00:41:27.240 --> 00:41:30.168
all. And, and then even
895
00:41:30.232 --> 00:41:32.832
with Wade and, like, I thought it was
896
00:41:32.904 --> 00:41:35.824
interesting at the beginning with the scene with happy. And I
897
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:38.836
felt bad for him, but
898
00:41:39.696 --> 00:41:42.236
we were. We spent so much time,
899
00:41:42.606 --> 00:41:45.402
away from his friends and the
900
00:41:45.434 --> 00:41:48.296
people he's trying to protect, and him
901
00:41:48.336 --> 00:41:50.436
and Vanessa are not even together.
902
00:41:51.016 --> 00:41:52.000
Will: Yeah. Yeah.
903
00:41:52.088 --> 00:41:54.984
Sarah : What was that? That, like, I
904
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:57.992
mean, at least in the second deadpool, she. She was
905
00:41:58.024 --> 00:42:00.816
dead, and he was trying to get vengeance. I don't know. There was just
906
00:42:00.856 --> 00:42:02.716
some weird choices
907
00:42:03.336 --> 00:42:06.152
where. I
908
00:42:06.264 --> 00:42:09.192
guess. I agree. Like, he shouldn't go into this movie
909
00:42:09.264 --> 00:42:11.476
wanting, like, deep plot,
910
00:42:11.856 --> 00:42:14.608
but I expected more from the characters
911
00:42:14.672 --> 00:42:15.366
themselves.
912
00:42:15.536 --> 00:42:18.058
Will: Yeah. Yeah, I think that's fair. That's. That's. That's
913
00:42:18.082 --> 00:42:19.686
fair. Yeah.
914
00:42:20.066 --> 00:42:22.674
Sarah : All right, so another role
915
00:42:22.730 --> 00:42:25.610
reversal reaction. But this people should see
916
00:42:25.658 --> 00:42:28.570
coming, because this has been this way
917
00:42:28.738 --> 00:42:31.594
for this entire season. Will likes House of
918
00:42:31.610 --> 00:42:33.566
Dragon right now way more than me.
919
00:42:34.866 --> 00:42:37.322
It's like, I know it's a good
920
00:42:37.354 --> 00:42:40.082
show. Don't twist my words.
921
00:42:40.194 --> 00:42:43.010
I'm still. This is one of the best shows on tv.
922
00:42:43.058 --> 00:42:45.924
I totally understand that. That being
923
00:42:45.980 --> 00:42:48.660
said, I'm very curious about
924
00:42:48.748 --> 00:42:51.420
the deep discussion will wants to have, because I'm
925
00:42:51.468 --> 00:42:53.752
like, I, don't. Things,
926
00:42:54.232 --> 00:42:57.088
happened, and some of the conversations
927
00:42:57.160 --> 00:43:00.064
were cool, but I don't know, it just felt like, let's get
928
00:43:00.088 --> 00:43:02.976
to the finale, and
929
00:43:03.104 --> 00:43:05.776
that will lead to a whole other point of this whole
930
00:43:05.824 --> 00:43:08.512
season has been, okay, let's
931
00:43:08.552 --> 00:43:11.322
actually have the war start. I mean, I'm
932
00:43:11.362 --> 00:43:14.114
tired. I'm tired of this, like, Dance
933
00:43:14.178 --> 00:43:16.666
of the Dragons has begun. Has
934
00:43:16.714 --> 00:43:19.522
it? Has it? I understand Renee's
935
00:43:19.562 --> 00:43:22.514
died. I get it. But still,
936
00:43:22.658 --> 00:43:25.370
like, I feel like we just been. We've just.
937
00:43:25.466 --> 00:43:28.330
This has just been, I don't know. I don't
938
00:43:28.346 --> 00:43:30.582
know. Pillow talk. Okay.
939
00:43:32.562 --> 00:43:35.338
This isn't the big thing, but. But go ahead,
940
00:43:35.370 --> 00:43:35.942
Will.
941
00:43:38.052 --> 00:43:40.732
Will: No, I. So it's to.
942
00:43:40.812 --> 00:43:43.806
To paraphrase miss Aria, there's more. More than one. I think I
943
00:43:43.814 --> 00:43:46.390
said this last, but it's more than one way to tell a war story.
944
00:43:46.566 --> 00:43:49.248
And I just. I don't know. I think. I, don't
945
00:43:49.264 --> 00:43:51.860
know. We. I think we had the same
946
00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:56.264
thing happen with us with Shogun this. This
947
00:43:56.312 --> 00:43:58.960
season two, with two of the best shows on television this
948
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.560
year, and, where I think I. My level of
949
00:44:01.600 --> 00:44:04.380
excitement is a little. Little higher than yours.
950
00:44:04.930 --> 00:44:07.802
I agree. You definitely do like the show. It's not that you
951
00:44:07.826 --> 00:44:10.036
don't, but, I just felt
952
00:44:10.188 --> 00:44:12.720
that this week's episode
953
00:44:13.420 --> 00:44:16.268
really was a good
954
00:44:16.324 --> 00:44:19.212
pay. It was a further payoff of the
955
00:44:19.236 --> 00:44:21.920
story of the small folk and
956
00:44:22.300 --> 00:44:25.132
also just the overarching
957
00:44:25.236 --> 00:44:28.092
absurdity of why we're having, you know,
958
00:44:28.116 --> 00:44:31.092
why. Why is King's Landing and Westeros
959
00:44:31.156 --> 00:44:33.500
getting destroyed over. Over
960
00:44:33.620 --> 00:44:35.812
a family squabble
961
00:44:35.956 --> 00:44:38.462
that, Over.
962
00:44:38.566 --> 00:44:41.422
Over a crown that, you know,
963
00:44:41.446 --> 00:44:43.958
the daemon himself, whenever he's having these visions
964
00:44:44.014 --> 00:44:46.694
of viserys, is
965
00:44:46.742 --> 00:44:49.710
like, heavy as the head has to carry this crown,
966
00:44:49.750 --> 00:44:52.474
and it just crushes you. So, I mean, it's just.
967
00:44:52.602 --> 00:44:55.490
And I think what this episode did for me was
968
00:44:55.530 --> 00:44:58.482
just really, One of the.
969
00:44:58.546 --> 00:45:01.474
One of the things that stood out with the discussion with. With team
970
00:45:01.522 --> 00:45:03.750
black in particular was
971
00:45:04.410 --> 00:45:06.786
as they were trying
972
00:45:06.898 --> 00:45:08.990
to get the.
973
00:45:11.370 --> 00:45:14.170
Put the. All call out to execute Jason's plan. Even
974
00:45:14.210 --> 00:45:16.954
though, you know, we saw the failure of it
975
00:45:17.002 --> 00:45:19.968
last week, it, We. You
976
00:45:19.984 --> 00:45:22.960
know, we seeing how the,
977
00:45:23.240 --> 00:45:26.220
How. How the really. How intelligent the dragons are.
978
00:45:26.600 --> 00:45:29.408
As far as, you know, who's really in
979
00:45:29.424 --> 00:45:32.128
control here? Is it the people? Or is it. Is it the
980
00:45:32.144 --> 00:45:34.976
dragons and the
981
00:45:35.008 --> 00:45:36.580
whole political
982
00:45:37.080 --> 00:45:40.032
juxtaposition of the. You know,
983
00:45:40.136 --> 00:45:42.856
the common folk, the small folk and
984
00:45:43.008 --> 00:45:44.260
the highborn.
985
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:47.340
Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Like
986
00:45:48.040 --> 00:45:50.896
I. Before. Before you continue to
987
00:45:50.928 --> 00:45:53.710
go on. And then we have to circle back. I don't want to get
988
00:45:53.750 --> 00:45:56.200
too. Too, far from this
989
00:45:56.500 --> 00:45:59.408
is, Like, I knew you were
990
00:45:59.424 --> 00:46:02.160
going to bring up this conversation because it is. One of the
991
00:46:02.200 --> 00:46:04.714
best parts of this episode is, the
992
00:46:04.746 --> 00:46:07.418
conversation between Jason, his mom.
993
00:46:07.578 --> 00:46:07.962
Will: Yeah.
994
00:46:08.010 --> 00:46:10.912
Sarah : Because, like, let's not mistake. Jace has
995
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:13.568
actually brought this idea to her. And
996
00:46:13.728 --> 00:46:16.504
now his realization, the moment
997
00:46:16.576 --> 00:46:19.388
that Adam comes to Dragonstone
998
00:46:19.808 --> 00:46:22.744
and is low born, suddenly
999
00:46:22.776 --> 00:46:25.268
he's a dragon. So therefore,
1000
00:46:25.648 --> 00:46:28.416
like, nobody says it. He's a
1001
00:46:28.432 --> 00:46:29.096
bastard.
1002
00:46:29.232 --> 00:46:29.948
Will: Yeah.
1003
00:46:30.368 --> 00:46:32.828
Sarah : Like. Like, there's. There's no way.
1004
00:46:33.208 --> 00:46:36.188
And. And then I
1005
00:46:36.348 --> 00:46:39.236
really, It's a great moment
1006
00:46:39.292 --> 00:46:42.116
because it's something. A conversation that
1007
00:46:42.172 --> 00:46:44.888
these two characters clearly have never had
1008
00:46:45.748 --> 00:46:48.048
and never had to have.
1009
00:46:48.508 --> 00:46:51.500
But the acknowledgement of
1010
00:46:51.564 --> 00:46:54.100
him acknowledging
1011
00:46:54.284 --> 00:46:56.768
who his father is to her.
1012
00:46:57.288 --> 00:47:00.238
My only quibble is, I wish.
1013
00:47:00.738 --> 00:47:03.690
I wish there was more she said in response,
1014
00:47:03.834 --> 00:47:06.618
but I don't think. I think she was completely
1015
00:47:06.658 --> 00:47:09.078
caught off guard. But at the same time,
1016
00:47:09.418 --> 00:47:11.998
she's absolutely right because she's like,
1017
00:47:12.578 --> 00:47:15.558
I'm sorry, I, love you. I can. I can see
1018
00:47:15.590 --> 00:47:17.722
where you're coming from, but
1019
00:47:18.462 --> 00:47:21.382
no, we have no
1020
00:47:21.422 --> 00:47:23.742
choice. And let's not
1021
00:47:23.782 --> 00:47:26.480
mistake. You've pointed out the little choice
1022
00:47:26.536 --> 00:47:29.448
I've had. So we're going to stick with this,
1023
00:47:29.600 --> 00:47:32.336
and we're going to kill some people while doing
1024
00:47:32.384 --> 00:47:35.080
it, because there ain't no way all of them are going to
1025
00:47:35.096 --> 00:47:35.728
survive.
1026
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:36.972
Will: Yeah. Yeah.
1027
00:47:37.242 --> 00:47:39.938
Sarah : And it's. And it's true. I. I think
1028
00:47:39.970 --> 00:47:42.762
that that was a very good. And she herself
1029
00:47:42.842 --> 00:47:45.762
even had a problem at. I believe at some point in this
1030
00:47:45.802 --> 00:47:47.906
episode with, like, this
1031
00:47:47.954 --> 00:47:49.822
idea that.
1032
00:47:52.202 --> 00:47:54.810
That the people who are no longer part of the
1033
00:47:54.826 --> 00:47:57.242
bloodline can suddenly be dragon
1034
00:47:57.282 --> 00:47:58.902
writers. And
1035
00:47:59.962 --> 00:48:02.610
I love Maris's, like,
1036
00:48:02.746 --> 00:48:05.410
response to. And it's just like,
1037
00:48:05.586 --> 00:48:07.178
aren't you fighting your brother?
1038
00:48:07.330 --> 00:48:10.222
Will: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Sorry. I, like, nailed it. Yeah.
1039
00:48:10.172 --> 00:48:11.824
that's what. I love that scene.
1040
00:48:12.008 --> 00:48:14.736
Sarah : No, I know. And it's because you're
1041
00:48:14.784 --> 00:48:17.734
talking about not only blood, which,
1042
00:48:17.798 --> 00:48:20.614
honestly, blood does, bring a
1043
00:48:20.638 --> 00:48:23.462
sense of loyalty, but in this universe,
1044
00:48:23.542 --> 00:48:26.242
and specifically for this family,
1045
00:48:28.182 --> 00:48:31.078
power is heavier than the blood
1046
00:48:31.110 --> 00:48:31.790
itself.
1047
00:48:31.966 --> 00:48:32.722
Will: Yeah.
1048
00:48:33.142 --> 00:48:36.124
Sarah : And so any, If
1049
00:48:36.148 --> 00:48:39.044
you go to Starks. Starks, like, oh,
1050
00:48:39.068 --> 00:48:41.860
yeah, it's all about the blood, but. And the loyalty
1051
00:48:41.916 --> 00:48:44.862
there for their family and that. Okay,
1052
00:48:45.242 --> 00:48:47.822
the Lannisters coin.
1053
00:48:48.802 --> 00:48:51.738
Money. Money. But.
1054
00:48:51.810 --> 00:48:54.542
But I. And I think that's good.
1055
00:48:55.752 --> 00:48:58.162
you're. You brought up the,
1056
00:48:58.382 --> 00:49:00.602
The payoff of the small folk.
1057
00:49:02.822 --> 00:49:05.718
Yeah, you're right. You're not wrong when
1058
00:49:05.750 --> 00:49:08.606
you say that. But my only problem is,
1059
00:49:08.654 --> 00:49:11.546
is that, like, well, duh, we've been
1060
00:49:11.594 --> 00:49:14.570
knowing that that was going to happen. Like, Adam
1061
00:49:14.626 --> 00:49:17.338
just got a dragon. You think that the
1062
00:49:17.370 --> 00:49:20.104
other people we randomly have been, introduced
1063
00:49:20.168 --> 00:49:23.128
to are not going to get a dragon? Like. Like,
1064
00:49:23.200 --> 00:49:26.168
we knew that. And I.
1065
00:49:26.200 --> 00:49:28.880
And I have been on tick tock, and I have
1066
00:49:28.936 --> 00:49:31.816
Scene information about the
1067
00:49:31.864 --> 00:49:34.112
lineage and more
1068
00:49:34.152 --> 00:49:36.598
importantly, the dragons. They both
1069
00:49:36.720 --> 00:49:39.658
ulf and, And Hugh end up
1070
00:49:39.690 --> 00:49:42.626
with. And how. If
1071
00:49:42.674 --> 00:49:45.186
only there was a way to have explained
1072
00:49:45.274 --> 00:49:48.114
that over the season, because I
1073
00:49:48.138 --> 00:49:50.342
think. I think the fact that,
1074
00:49:52.442 --> 00:49:53.242
Hugh.
1075
00:49:53.402 --> 00:49:54.142
Will: Yeah.
1076
00:49:54.602 --> 00:49:57.542
Sarah : Ends up with King Jae,
1077
00:49:58.712 --> 00:50:01.464
dragon Jae is
1078
00:50:01.488 --> 00:50:03.850
the father of Hugh's
1079
00:50:03.906 --> 00:50:04.578
mom.
1080
00:50:04.770 --> 00:50:05.426
Will: Yeah.
1081
00:50:05.554 --> 00:50:08.450
Sarah : Who he. He disgraced and. And just
1082
00:50:08.506 --> 00:50:10.554
threw out. And she became a prostitute.
1083
00:50:10.698 --> 00:50:11.330
Will: Yeah.
1084
00:50:11.466 --> 00:50:14.426
Sarah : Well, yeah, he abandoned. He disowned her
1085
00:50:14.474 --> 00:50:17.146
or something. And King
1086
00:50:17.194 --> 00:50:20.114
Jaehaerys is the former king before
1087
00:50:20.178 --> 00:50:22.834
viserys, so. So,
1088
00:50:22.898 --> 00:50:25.722
like, choices were made, and he probably
1089
00:50:25.762 --> 00:50:28.216
disowned her because only heirden
1090
00:50:28.254 --> 00:50:31.156
female. Goodbye. So. So
1091
00:50:31.204 --> 00:50:33.964
the fact that he ends up with. With that
1092
00:50:34.028 --> 00:50:36.468
dragon. But what,
1093
00:50:36.540 --> 00:50:39.314
like, that, that is
1094
00:50:39.378 --> 00:50:42.098
such a fascinating thing,
1095
00:50:42.290 --> 00:50:44.762
but I only know that because I was on tick
1096
00:50:44.802 --> 00:50:45.502
tock.
1097
00:50:45.962 --> 00:50:48.658
Will: No, it was in the episode. I mean. I mean,
1098
00:50:48.730 --> 00:50:50.730
he. I mean, who did say?
1099
00:50:50.826 --> 00:50:53.754
Sarah : No, no, the fact that just. He
1100
00:50:53.778 --> 00:50:56.420
did not. He. He explained, like,
1101
00:50:56.476 --> 00:50:58.812
you. My point is.
1102
00:50:58.932 --> 00:51:01.058
Okay, I, know, he
1103
00:51:01.106 --> 00:51:03.690
explained kind of and
1104
00:51:03.722 --> 00:51:06.386
alluded to his mom was, but he didn't outright,
1105
00:51:06.450 --> 00:51:09.314
like, clearly say, and. And
1106
00:51:09.474 --> 00:51:11.826
I'm sorry. You've met the
1107
00:51:11.850 --> 00:51:14.570
Targaryens. Like, there are 15 people
1108
00:51:14.642 --> 00:51:17.578
named Asterisk. I don't feel like he ever
1109
00:51:17.626 --> 00:51:19.294
really talked about him.
1110
00:51:19.914 --> 00:51:22.730
Will: No, but he did say. I mean, he basically. I mean, as far
1111
00:51:22.762 --> 00:51:25.564
as, like, I know with. I know with
1112
00:51:25.604 --> 00:51:28.556
Olaf. They were very. They were m very clear that he
1113
00:51:28.580 --> 00:51:30.412
was a bastard of Balin.
1114
00:51:30.588 --> 00:51:30.924
Sarah : Yes.
1115
00:51:30.924 --> 00:51:33.244
Will: because he. Cause Balin is,
1116
00:51:33.514 --> 00:51:36.466
Damon and Viserys his father. I actually.
1117
00:51:36.530 --> 00:51:39.378
I actually did print out my. I've been talking about it all season.
1118
00:51:39.426 --> 00:51:42.298
I finally did. I did like, put
1119
00:51:42.346 --> 00:51:45.026
out the family tree for the. For this
1120
00:51:45.090 --> 00:51:47.922
show causes keeping track of all these aegons and
1121
00:51:47.938 --> 00:51:50.824
Viserys and Justeris's. Yeah. I actually
1122
00:51:50.864 --> 00:51:53.776
did pencil. And I did. I was aware, too, as far
1123
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:56.546
as, I guess Balon was, I guess
1124
00:51:56.650 --> 00:51:59.546
Sarah was his wife, at least as far as the
1125
00:51:59.570 --> 00:52:02.476
tv show. And
1126
00:52:02.500 --> 00:52:05.464
then, Excuse me. His other
1127
00:52:05.504 --> 00:52:08.376
daughter. Excuse me. I'm looking at my. I had to pencil that one in because she hadn't been
1128
00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:11.242
added to the, family tree line. With the
1129
00:52:11.258 --> 00:52:14.094
chart that I have here. It only goes up through episode six.
1130
00:52:15.884 --> 00:52:18.882
but, But yeah, Jeh
1131
00:52:18.898 --> 00:52:21.458
Harris's daughter that you. That you referenced being a
1132
00:52:21.466 --> 00:52:23.866
prostitute. Yeah,
1133
00:52:23.930 --> 00:52:26.524
yeah. his mother.
1134
00:52:26.604 --> 00:52:29.550
But, But yeah, I agree with you there that it did.
1135
00:52:29.702 --> 00:52:32.662
You know, he did say that, you know, he had
1136
00:52:32.678 --> 00:52:35.392
a silver haired mother, which, you know, clearly makes, you know,
1137
00:52:35.448 --> 00:52:38.338
very clear that, she's a Targaryens.
1138
00:52:38.386 --> 00:52:41.274
And Targaryens love to fuck, whether it's men, man, men
1139
00:52:41.314 --> 00:52:44.170
or women. In the. In the. In the family, they all are.
1140
00:52:44.242 --> 00:52:46.790
They all have little bastards running
1141
00:52:46.822 --> 00:52:49.698
around all throughout Westeros. but they're just, So,
1142
00:52:50.318 --> 00:52:53.206
yeah, for sure. Yeah. Look at
1143
00:52:53.222 --> 00:52:53.978
corliss.
1144
00:52:54.358 --> 00:52:57.030
Sarah : Well. Well, corliss. Yeah.
1145
00:52:57.094 --> 00:53:00.044
But I, In watching
1146
00:53:00.076 --> 00:53:02.692
this episode and even talking about it, I mean, the
1147
00:53:02.740 --> 00:53:05.452
strong points of this episode are talking about like,
1148
00:53:05.500 --> 00:53:08.004
the quote unquote bastard storylines.
1149
00:53:08.076 --> 00:53:11.010
And if, going back to
1150
00:53:11.034 --> 00:53:14.034
Game of Thrones, Jon freaking Snow was
1151
00:53:14.066 --> 00:53:14.874
a bastard.
1152
00:53:15.026 --> 00:53:16.118
Will: Right, right.
1153
00:53:18.098 --> 00:53:20.938
Sarah : And not. And
1154
00:53:20.978 --> 00:53:23.938
so it's interesting
1155
00:53:24.018 --> 00:53:26.986
how these
1156
00:53:27.042 --> 00:53:29.158
shows and this universe,
1157
00:53:29.818 --> 00:53:32.378
it's all about the power and it's all about
1158
00:53:32.458 --> 00:53:35.114
lineage and legacy and all of
1159
00:53:35.146 --> 00:53:37.562
that. And yet some of the
1160
00:53:37.610 --> 00:53:40.538
characters who end up being our heroes and
1161
00:53:40.618 --> 00:53:42.558
our protagonists are
1162
00:53:42.938 --> 00:53:45.724
bastards. And, Which is
1163
00:53:45.756 --> 00:53:48.332
so interesting when you're talking
1164
00:53:48.380 --> 00:53:51.204
about a story that
1165
00:53:51.276 --> 00:53:53.568
delves deep into family
1166
00:53:53.868 --> 00:53:56.478
and power. and
1167
00:53:57.018 --> 00:53:58.278
you brought up before
1168
00:53:59.498 --> 00:54:02.210
Damon's vision in this episode, and it's a
1169
00:54:02.234 --> 00:54:04.828
vision of, viserys again.
1170
00:54:05.238 --> 00:54:08.052
but the viserys that we kind of ended
1171
00:54:08.100 --> 00:54:09.808
on. And
1172
00:54:11.788 --> 00:54:14.524
I think this is the first scene, I would
1173
00:54:14.556 --> 00:54:17.404
argue the first vision scene that
1174
00:54:17.476 --> 00:54:20.324
it's very clear of why they're
1175
00:54:20.356 --> 00:54:23.048
showing this because it happens right after
1176
00:54:24.068 --> 00:54:26.608
he really has his first,
1177
00:54:28.108 --> 00:54:30.972
like we. Damon's kind of a quote,
1178
00:54:31.020 --> 00:54:33.504
older gentleman at this point.
1179
00:54:33.656 --> 00:54:34.248
Will: Yeah.
1180
00:54:34.368 --> 00:54:37.168
Sarah : But this is the first time when
1181
00:54:37.248 --> 00:54:39.748
he's clearly put in a political
1182
00:54:40.208 --> 00:54:43.200
position of power and has to make a
1183
00:54:43.224 --> 00:54:44.428
decision to,
1184
00:54:45.728 --> 00:54:47.938
to agree,
1185
00:54:48.512 --> 00:54:51.400
with Oscar, which shout out to that kid
1186
00:54:51.464 --> 00:54:53.504
because that kid. Some oppressive
1187
00:54:53.616 --> 00:54:56.216
acting and just, just
1188
00:54:56.312 --> 00:54:59.176
really owned that whole scene. And
1189
00:54:59.192 --> 00:55:01.718
the fact that he's a, like, playing off
1190
00:55:01.758 --> 00:55:04.758
of, off of Matt Smith. I mean,
1191
00:55:04.798 --> 00:55:07.286
just hats off to him for sure.
1192
00:55:07.422 --> 00:55:07.868
Will: Yeah.
1193
00:55:08.608 --> 00:55:10.944
Sarah : but to then have
1194
00:55:10.976 --> 00:55:13.912
Damon have to sacrifice that
1195
00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:16.688
guy who basically was his only
1196
00:55:16.768 --> 00:55:19.664
ally in the Riverlands and then be like, yeah,
1197
00:55:19.696 --> 00:55:22.576
I told you to do that. So now you're going to
1198
00:55:22.592 --> 00:55:25.248
pay for my sins because I have to agree with these
1199
00:55:25.288 --> 00:55:25.868
guys.
1200
00:55:27.288 --> 00:55:28.468
Will: Yeah. Yeah.
1201
00:55:30.008 --> 00:55:32.880
Yep. I got it. Yeah. I don't. Yeah, I need your
1202
00:55:32.904 --> 00:55:33.584
swords.
1203
00:55:33.736 --> 00:55:36.472
Sarah : It's telling that then he immediately
1204
00:55:36.520 --> 00:55:39.200
goes into this vision with viserys and
1205
00:55:39.224 --> 00:55:41.888
viserys. Like, now that
1206
00:55:41.928 --> 00:55:44.712
you've experienced this side of things
1207
00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:47.348
where this power
1208
00:55:47.928 --> 00:55:50.256
leads you to actually kill
1209
00:55:50.352 --> 00:55:52.968
those allies for
1210
00:55:53.008 --> 00:55:55.904
political reasons. Like, it's not. Are you
1211
00:55:55.936 --> 00:55:58.792
sure this is what you want? I I really like
1212
00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:01.592
that. I feel like up until this
1213
00:56:01.640 --> 00:56:04.512
point, the visions. I agree, have been bit
1214
00:56:04.560 --> 00:56:07.508
like vision for Vision's sake.
1215
00:56:08.908 --> 00:56:11.900
Will: well, I think I disagree with you there. I mean, because
1216
00:56:12.004 --> 00:56:14.940
to your point, those earlier visions that
1217
00:56:14.964 --> 00:56:17.660
the payoff comes with what we, what
1218
00:56:17.684 --> 00:56:20.676
Damon experiences in this episode, which you
1219
00:56:20.692 --> 00:56:21.428
just shared.
1220
00:56:21.548 --> 00:56:23.168
Sarah : I don't know. I don't.
1221
00:56:24.748 --> 00:56:27.588
I don't think that that's true. I feel like
1222
00:56:27.628 --> 00:56:30.220
the payoff is
1223
00:56:30.324 --> 00:56:33.276
within the episode, that they occur because they're,
1224
00:56:33.332 --> 00:56:35.868
they and, and it's,
1225
00:56:35.988 --> 00:56:38.476
it. I don't think those visions
1226
00:56:38.572 --> 00:56:41.380
necessarily build up to this. I mean, all the
1227
00:56:41.404 --> 00:56:43.288
visions are, are a
1228
00:56:44.188 --> 00:56:46.700
visualization of the internal
1229
00:56:46.764 --> 00:56:49.250
demonstration that are going on,
1230
00:56:49.434 --> 00:56:51.978
this internal war that is happening within
1231
00:56:52.058 --> 00:56:54.958
him. partly under the
1232
00:56:55.078 --> 00:56:57.070
wizardy of Alice.
1233
00:56:57.214 --> 00:56:57.618
Will: Yeah.
1234
00:56:58.208 --> 00:57:01.200
Sarah : so it's basically like he's on
1235
00:57:01.224 --> 00:57:02.200
mushrooms.
1236
00:57:02.384 --> 00:57:02.864
Will: Yeah.
1237
00:57:02.936 --> 00:57:04.988
Sarah : And he's going through a grieving process.
1238
00:57:05.488 --> 00:57:06.588
Will: Yep. Yep.
1239
00:57:09.328 --> 00:57:12.184
Sarah : So I think what I was saying, what I was
1240
00:57:12.216 --> 00:57:14.762
trying to, articulate was
1241
00:57:14.890 --> 00:57:17.738
maybe not visions for vision's sake. But I felt
1242
00:57:17.778 --> 00:57:20.118
like they were getting a bit too long
1243
00:57:21.058 --> 00:57:23.158
and just a bit too,
1244
00:57:24.518 --> 00:57:26.018
kind of already knew that.
1245
00:57:27.358 --> 00:57:30.338
I don't really want to see you have sex with your dead mom.
1246
00:57:32.078 --> 00:57:33.778
Will: Yeah. That was much.
1247
00:57:34.838 --> 00:57:37.510
Sarah : I like how they revealed that at the very end. And,
1248
00:57:37.574 --> 00:57:40.416
like, now we'll let the viewers leave and it's just like, whoa.
1249
00:57:40.472 --> 00:57:43.392
What did I just spend five minutes watching. So
1250
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:45.258
I, like,
1251
00:57:46.318 --> 00:57:49.214
I. I'm glad that
1252
00:57:49.246 --> 00:57:52.078
we didn't spend too much time with Damon in this
1253
00:57:52.118 --> 00:57:54.518
episode just because I feel
1254
00:57:54.558 --> 00:57:57.294
like he's on such. He's been on such
1255
00:57:57.326 --> 00:57:59.298
a different story
1256
00:58:00.398 --> 00:58:03.398
that sometimes it takes me out
1257
00:58:03.438 --> 00:58:05.538
of what else is going on. But
1258
00:58:06.048 --> 00:58:08.508
arguably, this episode,
1259
00:58:08.968 --> 00:58:11.784
the person who. I
1260
00:58:11.816 --> 00:58:14.584
have no idea what was. I know what was
1261
00:58:14.616 --> 00:58:17.424
going on with her, but at the same time, I'm like, what are we
1262
00:58:17.456 --> 00:58:20.450
doing? What is happening here? why couldn't
1263
00:58:20.474 --> 00:58:23.318
you just let Olivia cook take the day off?
1264
00:58:25.588 --> 00:58:28.532
it's the whole cleaning of
1265
00:58:28.620 --> 00:58:31.236
Alicent, and it's. I don't know
1266
00:58:31.252 --> 00:58:34.052
if. If that was time well spent,
1267
00:58:34.180 --> 00:58:36.836
I think we could have spent time with some other characters,
1268
00:58:36.892 --> 00:58:39.876
like Bayla. Right.
1269
00:58:39.932 --> 00:58:41.808
Bayla, who's at the e.
1270
00:58:43.148 --> 00:58:45.540
We get Hugh.
1271
00:58:45.684 --> 00:58:48.532
Every. All of the male small folk
1272
00:58:48.660 --> 00:58:50.788
get a dragon before Baila. Okay.
1273
00:58:50.828 --> 00:58:51.428
Will: Yeah.
1274
00:58:51.588 --> 00:58:54.428
Sarah : Spoiler alert. Baila's gonna get the biggest one. But come on,
1275
00:58:54.548 --> 00:58:55.340
let's go.
1276
00:58:55.484 --> 00:58:58.210
Will: That's good. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
1277
00:58:58.364 --> 00:59:01.230
I agree with you with Allison. The funniest
1278
00:59:01.254 --> 00:59:03.558
thing about that, the scenes with Alicent was
1279
00:59:03.678 --> 00:59:06.612
whenever, Sarah, the night that was with there, I can't remember
1280
00:59:06.644 --> 00:59:09.192
his name, but, when I heard that
1281
00:59:09.224 --> 00:59:12.184
voice, I immediately thought of one piece because he
1282
00:59:12.200 --> 00:59:13.728
was Luffy's grandpa.
1283
00:59:13.912 --> 00:59:16.592
Sarah : Oh, smart. Yeah. I did not.
1284
00:59:16.664 --> 00:59:19.384
I totally have not. Which
1285
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:21.096
they've started filming.
1286
00:59:21.256 --> 00:59:22.152
Will: Yeah. Yeah.
1287
00:59:22.264 --> 00:59:22.880
Sarah : Season two.
1288
00:59:22.928 --> 00:59:25.850
Will: So, yeah, yeah, I heard that voice. I
1289
00:59:25.858 --> 00:59:28.786
was like, that voice is so familiar that I, like, I did go. I
1290
00:59:28.786 --> 00:59:31.692
was like, I think that's the guy from, one. One piece. And sure enough,
1291
00:59:31.764 --> 00:59:34.556
I look with IMDb, and it was. But I digress. But
1292
00:59:34.676 --> 00:59:37.612
I agree, honestly, that's. That's shows you how
1293
00:59:37.644 --> 00:59:40.076
much I was invested with what was going on with Allison this
1294
00:59:40.116 --> 00:59:40.896
episode.
1295
00:59:41.876 --> 00:59:44.740
Sarah : You and me both. I was like, Allison
1296
00:59:44.828 --> 00:59:47.788
has been. Has been so interesting to
1297
00:59:47.812 --> 00:59:50.386
me throughout this season. but. But this was
1298
00:59:50.426 --> 00:59:53.410
not. This was like, why?
1299
00:59:53.498 --> 00:59:55.526
And it's. And it's.
1300
00:59:56.186 --> 00:59:58.130
It's not because of Larry cook. It's.
1301
00:59:58.218 --> 00:59:58.858
Will: No, no.
1302
00:59:58.962 --> 01:00:01.594
Sarah : You. You also. The. The rats. Like,
1303
01:00:01.650 --> 01:00:03.766
all that was cool. But
1304
01:00:04.466 --> 01:00:07.434
when you have a section like
1305
01:00:07.490 --> 01:00:10.450
this, all I can think
1306
01:00:10.498 --> 01:00:13.306
about is, especially as we continue
1307
01:00:13.386 --> 01:00:15.778
to just get taunted with this dance of the
1308
01:00:15.802 --> 01:00:17.406
dragons, is,
1309
01:00:19.026 --> 01:00:21.406
can't we spend it with some other characters?
1310
01:00:21.706 --> 01:00:22.806
Will: Yeah. Yeah.
1311
01:00:24.906 --> 01:00:27.882
Sarah : There are, because there's some really interesting things going
1312
01:00:27.914 --> 01:00:30.602
on, especially on team green. I mean,
1313
01:00:30.794 --> 01:00:31.846
Aegon.
1314
01:00:33.276 --> 01:00:35.756
Aegon this, Aegon and Lars,
1315
01:00:35.876 --> 01:00:38.780
which to kind of go back a little
1316
01:00:38.828 --> 01:00:41.812
bit, to my whole point about the bastards and
1317
01:00:41.844 --> 01:00:42.416
those
1318
01:00:44.426 --> 01:00:47.126
disabled individuals. I mean,
1319
01:00:47.346 --> 01:00:49.938
m he's not technically
1320
01:00:50.002 --> 01:00:52.562
disabled, but Tyrion
1321
01:00:52.594 --> 01:00:55.246
Lannister, one of the most popular
1322
01:00:56.066 --> 01:00:58.114
characters in all of Game of Thrones.
1323
01:00:58.290 --> 01:00:59.194
Okay.
1324
01:00:59.370 --> 01:01:00.126
Will: Yep.
1325
01:01:00.506 --> 01:01:03.466
Sarah : Midget. And yet. And
1326
01:01:03.506 --> 01:01:05.890
now we have Lars, who Lars
1327
01:01:05.978 --> 01:01:08.684
is not. I'm, not comparing
1328
01:01:08.756 --> 01:01:11.716
him to Tyrion at all, but at the same
1329
01:01:11.772 --> 01:01:14.556
time, he's handicapped
1330
01:01:14.692 --> 01:01:17.328
and now he's kind of,
1331
01:01:18.838 --> 01:01:21.118
I don't know if this is the right word, but
1332
01:01:21.198 --> 01:01:24.142
grooming Aegon and
1333
01:01:24.190 --> 01:01:26.538
trying to get him up and going
1334
01:01:27.718 --> 01:01:30.544
because they can be allies, against
1335
01:01:30.656 --> 01:01:33.392
aemond. And it's. And there's some
1336
01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:36.016
interesting things happening there. But I also
1337
01:01:36.112 --> 01:01:39.006
wondered if I find that
1338
01:01:39.102 --> 01:01:41.686
that's appealing because they're, they're
1339
01:01:41.742 --> 01:01:44.734
telling it at the right pace. We're not
1340
01:01:44.766 --> 01:01:47.422
getting too much, but we're also not getting too little.
1341
01:01:47.590 --> 01:01:50.518
Will: Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
1342
01:01:50.558 --> 01:01:53.454
the rehab that he was, that he's been doing with a gun.
1343
01:01:53.408 --> 01:01:55.548
and especially when. When
1344
01:01:56.368 --> 01:01:58.664
we're seeing that happen, but then also
1345
01:01:58.736 --> 01:02:01.028
whenever they learn about,
1346
01:02:01.338 --> 01:02:04.190
Adam taking sea
1347
01:02:04.214 --> 01:02:07.006
smoke and a whole conversation and
1348
01:02:07.022 --> 01:02:09.822
so, and I love the way they played that scene because on the one
1349
01:02:09.870 --> 01:02:11.298
hand, it was sort of like,
1350
01:02:12.518 --> 01:02:15.138
is. Was Laris like,
1351
01:02:15.678 --> 01:02:18.630
not, you know, it was like the game of telephone. Whenever the
1352
01:02:18.654 --> 01:02:21.526
guy was telling me about it, he was like, but.
1353
01:02:21.582 --> 01:02:24.550
Or, you know, so was Laris like, didn't want to tell
1354
01:02:24.614 --> 01:02:27.390
amen about it because he just didn't trust it.
1355
01:02:27.494 --> 01:02:30.274
Or to your, you know, to. What we're just
1356
01:02:30.306 --> 01:02:33.266
discussing was he's, you know, because he is helping
1357
01:02:33.322 --> 01:02:36.210
Aegon rehabilitate from
1358
01:02:36.234 --> 01:02:38.906
his injuries. He doesn't
1359
01:02:38.962 --> 01:02:41.394
want a man to know. So that if, by some
1360
01:02:41.426 --> 01:02:44.238
chance they are out there on the field of battle,
1361
01:02:44.858 --> 01:02:47.626
aemon may get slain by, you
1362
01:02:47.642 --> 01:02:50.402
know, the increasing number of
1363
01:02:50.450 --> 01:02:51.758
dragons on team black.
1364
01:02:52.218 --> 01:02:55.006
Sarah : Well, a gun or a mandev,
1365
01:02:55.092 --> 01:02:57.802
he at this point is
1366
01:02:57.850 --> 01:02:59.794
thinking he still has the advantage.
1367
01:02:59.906 --> 01:03:00.498
Will: Yeah.
1368
01:03:00.498 --> 01:03:03.144
Sarah : which, which, and I agree with you,
1369
01:03:04.044 --> 01:03:06.744
that scene was well executed because
1370
01:03:07.804 --> 01:03:10.340
you can't. Nobody fully
1371
01:03:10.412 --> 01:03:13.388
knows except for the writers and the showrunner
1372
01:03:13.516 --> 01:03:16.254
and the actor. but nobody else,
1373
01:03:17.834 --> 01:03:20.754
the viewers are left questioning,
1374
01:03:22.134 --> 01:03:25.134
questioning if Lars believes it or not. And
1375
01:03:25.214 --> 01:03:27.774
I agree, that's. That's a very well
1376
01:03:27.854 --> 01:03:30.086
acted scene. And written too.
1377
01:03:30.230 --> 01:03:30.804
Will: Yeah.
1378
01:03:32.454 --> 01:03:35.034
Sarah : I don't. Because I don't even know. Coming
1379
01:03:35.374 --> 01:03:38.070
about like, hm. Because at
1380
01:03:38.102 --> 01:03:41.046
first he's like, But then when he figures out it's
1381
01:03:41.070 --> 01:03:43.942
the game of telephone, it's like, I
1382
01:03:43.958 --> 01:03:44.714
don't know,
1383
01:03:47.894 --> 01:03:50.684
like, it's a hard thing to know, to
1384
01:03:50.724 --> 01:03:53.492
believe unless you. Until
1385
01:03:53.548 --> 01:03:56.452
you see it and then you get the shot of off
1386
01:03:56.548 --> 01:03:59.500
coming in on silverwing, which initially I was
1387
01:03:59.532 --> 01:04:02.500
like, off, you freaking idiot. Like, you're
1388
01:04:02.532 --> 01:04:05.372
telling me you managed to find yourself
1389
01:04:05.428 --> 01:04:08.244
with the dragon and you go to King's Landing
1390
01:04:08.404 --> 01:04:11.260
also? Yet this episode just proved
1391
01:04:11.292 --> 01:04:14.228
a complaint I've had since. What episode?
1392
01:04:14.276 --> 01:04:17.138
One. Like, why are these two
1393
01:04:17.186 --> 01:04:18.654
places so close together?
1394
01:04:19.074 --> 01:04:21.494
Will: Yeah, yeah. I've Scene
1395
01:04:21.874 --> 01:04:24.722
they are relatively close because I know we, because even, like, with
1396
01:04:24.738 --> 01:04:27.322
the plan of getting the small
1397
01:04:27.378 --> 01:04:30.322
folk when they put the call out to, to
1398
01:04:30.498 --> 01:04:33.482
the target ambassadors to go to Dragonstone,
1399
01:04:33.578 --> 01:04:36.482
you know, Alan was a part of that. You know, they did a
1400
01:04:36.498 --> 01:04:39.274
quick little shot there of him helping to execute that
1401
01:04:39.314 --> 01:04:42.266
plan. So it's just like, yeah, you know, and, you know, with
1402
01:04:42.290 --> 01:04:45.044
the boats, you know, I do,
1403
01:04:45.624 --> 01:04:48.594
I know dragonstone and kings landing are relative
1404
01:04:48.674 --> 01:04:51.642
neighbors, but, you know, I need to look at a map of westeros to
1405
01:04:51.658 --> 01:04:54.466
see, like, the scale because I've Scene things. I've Scene
1406
01:04:54.490 --> 01:04:57.482
people say anything from like 50 miles to, like, to 400.
1407
01:04:57.538 --> 01:04:59.334
So I don't know.
1408
01:04:59.794 --> 01:05:01.294
Sarah : Yeah, yeah.
1409
01:05:02.024 --> 01:05:04.960
Will: those listeners, if you have a, if you could, like, point us
1410
01:05:04.992 --> 01:05:07.804
out to a good source that tells,
1411
01:05:08.030 --> 01:05:10.790
us how far they are in relation apart
1412
01:05:10.822 --> 01:05:13.294
from in relation to one another, we would greatly appreciate
1413
01:05:13.334 --> 01:05:13.914
that.
1414
01:05:14.454 --> 01:05:17.350
Sarah : Yeah. What were your thoughts
1415
01:05:17.382 --> 01:05:20.052
when he saw Ulf, take silverwing to
1416
01:05:20.148 --> 01:05:20.984
Kingsley?
1417
01:05:22.084 --> 01:05:23.824
Will: That probably would have been me.
1418
01:05:25.564 --> 01:05:28.236
Sarah : I mean, in his defense, he can't really
1419
01:05:28.300 --> 01:05:28.980
drive.
1420
01:05:29.132 --> 01:05:32.116
Will: He can't drive. He just hit the lottery, you
1421
01:05:32.140 --> 01:05:35.006
know? especially because, because, you know, because he
1422
01:05:35.030 --> 01:05:37.806
even. What I liked about it was he, whenever
1423
01:05:37.870 --> 01:05:40.576
they were in King's Landing and they were all sitting in a
1424
01:05:40.630 --> 01:05:43.372
are, he was started to doubt, you
1425
01:05:43.388 --> 01:05:46.036
know, he was questioning whether or not
1426
01:05:46.180 --> 01:05:48.908
he even, like, was
1427
01:05:48.956 --> 01:05:51.774
a targaryen, you know,
1428
01:05:51.854 --> 01:05:54.742
bastard. And, and, and so
1429
01:05:54.878 --> 01:05:57.862
whenever he, whenever the whole scene with the
1430
01:05:57.878 --> 01:06:00.732
whole red sewing, played out. So I guess anything who
1431
01:06:00.748 --> 01:06:03.692
has read in their title, I guess expect a lot of,
1432
01:06:03.868 --> 01:06:06.460
expect a lot of death in dramatic
1433
01:06:06.492 --> 01:06:08.294
fashion, with this show.
1434
01:06:09.744 --> 01:06:12.640
whenever that all went down in the, in the hold
1435
01:06:12.752 --> 01:06:14.404
with, Verma, Thor,
1436
01:06:15.734 --> 01:06:18.470
and then he, like, falls down and, you know, comes
1437
01:06:18.502 --> 01:06:21.354
across, silverwing. That,
1438
01:06:21.304 --> 01:06:24.024
yeah, it. I like the way they
1439
01:06:24.144 --> 01:06:27.024
did that. And then his reaction of just like, I'm just going to take a joy
1440
01:06:27.064 --> 01:06:29.514
ride with this thing. was, was,
1441
01:06:29.854 --> 01:06:32.822
was what? Like I said, it's something I would do if I, if I hit
1442
01:06:32.838 --> 01:06:34.930
the lottery. Like one dragon.
1443
01:06:35.022 --> 01:06:37.474
Sarah : Yeah, I. I'm just a
1444
01:06:37.514 --> 01:06:40.466
question. because at the end, like, Aemond does
1445
01:06:40.506 --> 01:06:43.104
fly out after him, and comes upon
1446
01:06:43.152 --> 01:06:46.080
dragonstone and you have Rhaena already standing out
1447
01:06:46.120 --> 01:06:48.720
there. And to me, I think the
1448
01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:51.632
intent is to let. Leave the viewers with. No, that
1449
01:06:51.656 --> 01:06:54.168
was an intentional joyride.
1450
01:06:54.344 --> 01:06:56.700
Will: Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't think it was.
1451
01:06:57.000 --> 01:06:59.766
Sarah : Yeah, I knew there was something on her face,
1452
01:06:59.888 --> 01:07:02.802
like, she. She was not just standing out there for
1453
01:07:02.826 --> 01:07:05.746
the sake of it. No, she. She knew,
1454
01:07:05.858 --> 01:07:08.256
like, to me, because they also had
1455
01:07:08.448 --> 01:07:11.072
another dragon, like, multiple dragons
1456
01:07:11.136 --> 01:07:12.984
behind. Behind her.
1457
01:07:13.152 --> 01:07:13.568
Will: Yeah.
1458
01:07:13.624 --> 01:07:16.224
Sarah : I don't know. It was. It felt more like,
1459
01:07:16.312 --> 01:07:19.296
oh, you came here. That's nice. I got a few
1460
01:07:19.328 --> 01:07:21.128
of these now, so.
1461
01:07:21.304 --> 01:07:24.000
Will: Yeah, yeah, you're right. That could.
1462
01:07:24.120 --> 01:07:27.072
It very well could have been planned. You're right. But. I know, but it's
1463
01:07:27.096 --> 01:07:29.704
funny with that scene, too, because when Aben
1464
01:07:29.752 --> 01:07:32.254
saw those other dragons standing there,
1465
01:07:32.302 --> 01:07:34.894
dragonstone. And he was, you
1466
01:07:34.902 --> 01:07:37.494
know, he had to, like,
1467
01:07:37.622 --> 01:07:40.622
really, really pull veigar back, because Veigar is like, fuck it,
1468
01:07:40.646 --> 01:07:43.252
I'm. I'm going in. I will upgrade it to do some
1469
01:07:43.276 --> 01:07:45.906
chomping. And. And, Aemond was like, that was the first
1470
01:07:45.946 --> 01:07:48.650
time, I think. I don't think we've Scene a man
1471
01:07:48.698 --> 01:07:51.546
actually have fear in his eyes like
1472
01:07:51.586 --> 01:07:54.415
that. in the two. In the two seasons that we've. We've
1473
01:07:54.447 --> 01:07:57.173
known this character. I mean, he was legit.
1474
01:07:57.221 --> 01:07:59.877
Like, we got. It was like, peace out. We got to get out of
1475
01:07:59.893 --> 01:08:00.781
here, Morgan.
1476
01:08:00.805 --> 01:08:03.651
Sarah : So, I would have agreed with you, but I
1477
01:08:03.675 --> 01:08:06.419
did see a tweet go out that
1478
01:08:06.499 --> 01:08:09.267
had a shot of Aemond and how he looked
1479
01:08:09.323 --> 01:08:12.275
after he killed Luke versus a man, and
1480
01:08:12.307 --> 01:08:15.265
how he looked after he, tried to
1481
01:08:15.297 --> 01:08:16.385
kill Aegon.
1482
01:08:16.537 --> 01:08:19.457
Will: Yeah, but I think when he killed. When he killed Luke, I
1483
01:08:19.473 --> 01:08:22.331
don't think it was fear. I think it was just like. It
1484
01:08:22.355 --> 01:08:25.011
was more like, oh, crap, what have I done?
1485
01:08:25.155 --> 01:08:28.115
Sarah : Well, to me, that's like, a little bit of fear. I mean, like,
1486
01:08:28.147 --> 01:08:29.799
the fear of what you've done.
1487
01:08:30.099 --> 01:08:32.379
Will: Well, yeah, I mean, I can see that.
1488
01:08:32.419 --> 01:08:35.339
Sarah : Anyway, like. Like, my. My point. Point
1489
01:08:35.419 --> 01:08:38.339
being is, like, I saw those,
1490
01:08:38.419 --> 01:08:41.243
so. So I don't know if it's the first time.
1491
01:08:41.411 --> 01:08:41.969
Will: Yeah.
1492
01:08:41.969 --> 01:08:44.809
Sarah : that we've actually Scene fear. I think it's been a while, though.
1493
01:08:44.849 --> 01:08:47.585
I don't think. I think maybe this is the first time in season
1494
01:08:47.657 --> 01:08:50.409
two, but I think that he just.
1495
01:08:51.629 --> 01:08:54.437
He's like his uncle. He doesn't
1496
01:08:54.493 --> 01:08:56.765
understand the crown.
1497
01:08:56.917 --> 01:08:57.365
Will: Yeah.
1498
01:08:57.899 --> 01:09:00.539
Sarah : and. And. But
1499
01:09:00.683 --> 01:09:03.447
it's also not like Rhaenyra does, too,
1500
01:09:03.867 --> 01:09:04.419
right?
1501
01:09:04.523 --> 01:09:07.515
Will: Oh, no, she's. I think
1502
01:09:07.531 --> 01:09:09.287
she's. But we've Scene her mature
1503
01:09:10.147 --> 01:09:12.299
into it better. You know, I think
1504
01:09:12.323 --> 01:09:14.971
she's. You know, she has her
1505
01:09:15.059 --> 01:09:17.799
kitchen cabinet with Messaria, as her
1506
01:09:17.831 --> 01:09:19.163
hand to help her.
1507
01:09:20.103 --> 01:09:21.843
Sarah : Masari isn't her hand.
1508
01:09:23.223 --> 01:09:26.055
Will: Cordless is her official hand. But then she has, like, what I mean by
1509
01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:28.727
kitchen cabinet. It's like the people. You know, the.
1510
01:09:28.855 --> 01:09:31.735
It's like she may not be. She can't sit at the council table, but
1511
01:09:31.759 --> 01:09:34.751
she's just as much an advisor, more. So I think she's more
1512
01:09:34.767 --> 01:09:37.639
of an advisor than her. Than her counsel at this point.
1513
01:09:37.831 --> 01:09:39.563
Sarah : Yeah. I just feel like
1514
01:09:40.273 --> 01:09:42.945
friendships like those have gotten Rhaenyra in
1515
01:09:42.969 --> 01:09:45.953
trouble in the past, being of royal court.
1516
01:09:46.033 --> 01:09:48.969
So I don't. I
1517
01:09:49.001 --> 01:09:51.721
agree she's maturing and she's
1518
01:09:51.777 --> 01:09:53.613
better than Ayman, but
1519
01:09:58.113 --> 01:10:00.093
I don't know if she,
1520
01:10:02.153 --> 01:10:04.889
is fully prepared for the crown either. And I think.
1521
01:10:05.001 --> 01:10:07.457
I think that's what they've subtly done this season
1522
01:10:07.545 --> 01:10:10.413
is a lot of Rhaenyra's
1523
01:10:11.753 --> 01:10:14.329
struggle, is mirrored
1524
01:10:14.481 --> 01:10:16.929
because of her struggle in her
1525
01:10:16.961 --> 01:10:19.193
marriage to her
1526
01:10:19.233 --> 01:10:19.973
uncle.
1527
01:10:22.273 --> 01:10:23.813
Yeah, I would agree with that,
1528
01:10:24.593 --> 01:10:27.513
man. You know, maybe this is just
1529
01:10:27.553 --> 01:10:30.305
an incest thing, like. And that's why
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they can't trust those of the main
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bloodline, because the main bloodline, it's all,
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you know, like it's inner. Anyway, I'm not going to
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go any further.
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The families who don't incest, they don't seem to have this
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problem. Okay. They don't breed and they don't have this
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problem.
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Will: Yeah. A little more stability
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there.
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Sarah : Yeah.
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Will: Yeah.
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Sarah : All right. anything else about
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the penultimate episode of season
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two?
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Will: no, just, there. Nothing about the episode. But
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there was another release,
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of scenes, for the
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finale that was. I guess there was a, making
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her way around social media. So be careful. I think
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HBO is working hard to get them
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struck stricken from, like, all of. All the various
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platforms. But, yeah, if you don't want to
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get spoiled, then don't, you
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01:11:29.021 --> 01:11:31.869
know, be very, very careful as you tread
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on TikTok or Facebook
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or, you know, whatever social media platform of choice.
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Sarah : You've had your warning. Now we'll tell
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our listeners where they can find you.
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Will: Yes, you can find me on X, formally
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known as Twitter, at ah will and Polk
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willmmpolk.
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Sarah : And you can find me there, too, at Sj Belmont
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Dot, sceneanerdpodcast.com. but most importantly,
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right, follow and comment on Apple Podcasts, Spotify
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