Dragons & Supes: House of the Dragon S2 E7, Deadpool and Wolverine, and RDJ Returns to the MCU

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Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont And with

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me, as always, is our mister producer, Will Polk. How are you doing

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tonight, will?

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Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How are you doing this evening?

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Sarah : I'm doing good.

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I think you're a bit more excited than I

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am, tonight, but we shall see how

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this discussion goes.

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Will: Well, I'm excited to talk about House of the

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dragon, for sure. I. Of course, we're also going to be

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talking about Deadpool and Wolverine, and then the other

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big. We're not going to go ahead and just say, now, folks,

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we're not going to do the whole laundry list of San Diego

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Comic Con, because there's a lot of stuff, and

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it wasn't. Yeah, so. So we're just going to focus on Marvel

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tonight.

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Sarah : Yeah, yeah, Marvel. And, and the

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stuff going on as, I've

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spent a lot of time between, when

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everything happened, I saw Wolverine,

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Deadpool, and listening

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to, like, Wolverine and Deadpool people

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thoughts and opinions, and then every. All of

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the San Diego Comic Con Marvel news that come

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out. All of those.

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so I guess just start with that

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stuff and kind of get the,

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get the, stuff going.

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like Captain America four.

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We've Scene the trailer. I guess there's not, in my

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opinion, much to say, except, like, yeah,

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we know it's coming in February.

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Will: Yeah, yeah, that one. I mean, I guess,

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Giancarlo's character, was

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revealed to be the leader of the serpent society, which I know,

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I think folks, that theorize that, trailer,

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so. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, folks, you know, all

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the. All the theorizers and whatnot had.

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Had said that. And of course, I think the fun thing about that panel

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was this Harrison Ford just hulking out. But,

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but, yeah, yeah.

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Sarah : And then you got the thunderbolts. I

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don't tell me

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what. What I, like, need to know about the

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thunderbolts. I feel like I already know, but I

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might have missed something.

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Will: well, I think, you know, honestly, the thing that,

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that particular panel, I

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just remember David harbor just walking out in the red Guardian

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costume. Yeah. Because.

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Yeah, because, I mean, just in full disclosure. So whenever

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the Marvel panel was going down on Saturday night,

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I was actually doing another Marvel thing and watching

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Deadpool and Wolverine. So, so

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I did not see a real time. so

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it was really, like, after the fact. And.

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Sarah : Yeah, because I. I tweeted I had

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sent you a DM about RDJ.

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Will: Yeah.

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Sarah : That's so funny. I thought you were.

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Will: No, no, we'll see. I'll save my comments for that here in a

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bit. But, yeah. yeah, but, yeah, I guess.

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Yeah, I guess there was a trailer. I guess they showed in hall

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h for people, which, you know, happens.

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And, I guess I had to see, you know, normally, I remember, like,

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what was the Ant man and the wasp? I think they were

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quantum mania. I think some people, like, took footage of that and posted

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it badly on the Internet, but I didn't see any

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footage from thunderbolts. I'm sure it's out there. I just. Twitter's just

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a shit show these days with all the politics

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and stuff. I just don't really spend much time on it

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anymore.

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Sarah : I think people were too obsessed with

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putting out spoilers for Deadpool Wolverine

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this weekend.

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Will: Okay, so.

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Sarah : So that. That's, at least in a

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way, kind of a silver ah lining

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of having that movie come out like San

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Diego Comic Con weekend is. I feel like

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I saw a lot more spoilers about that,

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than I did anything about besides the

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headlines. but no footage,

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really, which is fine. I don't. I don't need footage.

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I mean, you guys give away three fourths of the movie

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in the trailers anyway, so.

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Will: Yeah.

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Sarah : And, like, Fantastic Four, very similar.

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Where they're. They. They

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technically, from what I understand, have not started

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production, so they. But they did

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show, like, a.

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What would you call it?

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Will: I guess there's, like, test footage.

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Sarah : Yeah, test footage. First look. And I

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also heard, this is going to be set

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in the sixties, like a retro sixties. And

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the art director slash,

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like, costumer or

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set person designer.

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using very technical turns tonight, by the way,

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they are the same person

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behind Loki.

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Will: That's right. I did hear that.

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Sarah : And as soon as I heard that, I was like, okay,

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ticket sold.

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Go back and listen to our review, our

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reactions to Loki season one. I

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raved about the art direction the entire

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season, and I do not do that with every

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single show. So that is

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very promising.

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and between that and also, just a

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reminder, the director is the same director from

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WandaVision. So again, we had those early

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episodes, like, homages to

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decade television over the years.

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So, I mean, once you

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start really wrapping your mind around

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the potential,

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I think. I think it's exciting. And

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there was, of course, the big tease for

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Galactus.

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Will: Yeah. Yep.

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Sarah : And elixir tease for doom. But what?

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Will: Yeah, Galactus. Yeah, Galactus. And also, they

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had the big fantastic Four, too. I guess it, like, set a Guinness

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book of world record usage of drones.

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for the film, which is pretty, pretty, pretty

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standard. Fantastic four first steps

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and Yeah, and I think they are. I think they. Yeah, so

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basically, like you said, the cast showed up and then

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I, believe they're starting to film, I think, this

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upcoming week in London. So.

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Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. They.

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I actually think they are starting this week, but I could be

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wrong. They are starting

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and in a year we will actually be able to go and

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see that movie. So that

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is fun.

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But, but the big thing, everyone's talking about it.

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Everyone technically has already talked about it, but

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now it's been confirmed that

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not only are ah, the Russo brothers back

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to direct the next two Avengers

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movies, Avengers doomsday and

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Avengers Secret wars, but

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Doctor Doom will be played by our

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dj and will,

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I'm just gonna let you go.

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Will: No, I want to hear your thoughts. So,

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you know, my thoughts.

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Sarah : Really? I forgot.

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Will: Okay. Yeah.

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So as I touched on earlier, I had

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gone to see daredevil Wolverines Saturday

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night. And so I come out of the

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theater and

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jumped on my phone and

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saw, a message from me, with this news.

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And so I went

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from feeling very, very

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like I was

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in good vibes, as you said, at the

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start. I'm probably more excited tonight to talk about

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that film than, you are.

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or maybe I'm just assuming that,

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but when I saw your message,

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I think I messaged you back with a sideways face

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emoji. Like, I have mixed feelings about

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this. And I do, because

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I went from like, well, that's really great to

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like, you know, as far as the movie, having a great

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feeling to like, I m

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just don't know about this because I think I'm on the record

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when we've talked about

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possibilities of him coming back.

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and that I always felt that it was

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undermined everything that was set up with,

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with a great send off that they had and

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game.

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Will: And so, you

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know, so as your.

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Sarah : As your feelings changed.

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Will: Nope. Not at all. The more

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nope, I'm not, I'm not excited about this.

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I'm really not. I just, I mean, even

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though, you know, I think as we've gotten a little bit, I

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think the night of the announcement, they

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did say that is, you know, Victor von

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Doom. Of course, there's so many things out there as

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far as like the what if comic that had

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body swap and you know, all these, you know, the

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various, potential

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Tony Stark variants. Yeah, we don't,

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we don't know. We don't know.

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Sarah : Okay. Can I. Okay.

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Because, like, there's a

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reason why we're talking about this last and then gonna go into

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Deadpool and Wolverine is because

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I find it interesting how,

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spoiler alert will like the movie more than

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your criticism about this casting

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news is that it will

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undermine the death

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of Tony Stark. And yet, within the

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first five minutes of Deadpool and Wolverine,

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they make a point of being like,

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yeah, yeah, we're not. We're not really

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gonna uphold, his death, but it's gonna be

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satisfying to have him back for this

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leg, and he's still gonna be back. So I guess my

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point being is that

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given the new rules

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of this universe, especially

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after Deadpool and Wolverine, I

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don't. I would have had.

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I would have totally agreed with you. But

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having watched Deadpool and Wolverine, I'm like, that's not the

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unit. That's not the MCU anymore. I mean,

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they can do that not only because of that,

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but there's also this little show,

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Loki. Technically, the loki

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we saw. M not the same one

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who died. And by the end of season two,

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you already forgot about,

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like, the fact that, like, technically, in

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the movies, he dies, but there's this also this other

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version of him that goes on the side quest, and you end up really

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liking him. Like, I.

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So. So with those two

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points. Yeah, I

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don't. I think that.

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On surface level, I get it, but.

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But I think. I think you got to have a

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little bit more trust that some of these,

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writers and directors, and especially because,

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like, rdj just

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loves to show up, people. And the

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sad thing is, like, the big news, in

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my opinion, and what's really promising here is that the Russo

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brothers are back, and they

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have really wanted to tell secret

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wars.

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Will: Yeah.

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Sarah : So, yeah, they.

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They're not going to let Feige just

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say, okay, so we're going to let you do this, but

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we're also going to bring back our DJ. I have

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a theory. It was their idea.

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Will: Yeah, I mean, well, I think. I think you're right.

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And I think the, With

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all the stuff going on with Jonathan majors, it gave them an

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how this will all work and make sense,

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it, but we're also going to

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bleed it into something bigger that'll have a much

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more satisfying ending. So, so

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it's a, it's kind of a good, good way of

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being like, we can't completely throw out everything we've

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Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah, I agree. I mean, there's,

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there is that. I mean, I think the thing with the, with Victor

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von Doom, and I do think that it's

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going to be Robert Downey Junior playing

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a new character. At the end of the day, I

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don't. And it's just me talking, and I haven't

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read all the comics and all the

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theories and whatnot,

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he. He is Victor von Doom. He's not a Tony variant.

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explain why he looks very similar and,

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within the story. I mean, because I.

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and then she showed up in eternals. And,

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Gemma chan's another person. I mean, but again, they weren't like the

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leads. They were just, you know,

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actors who played a different characters within

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Sarah : I'm just going to go on record. I really hope they don't do what you're

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saying you think they're going to do.

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Will: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I really don't know. I don't know that they

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will just ignore it and just, like,

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you know, he's just a fresh character.

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Sarah : It wouldn't make any sense to me

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because of the multiverse.

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Like, it just like, to

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ignore it. To do it is one thing, like

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having to do it. Pre

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multiverse saga. Sure,

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sure. Totally understand that. Whatever.

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and not try to use multiverse to make it. Make it.

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I don't know. To me, that doesn't make sense. And I

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want, something also to point out

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is doomsday is

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in doctor doom colors, the poster,

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the logo, and then,

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secret wars is Tony Stark colors.

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Will: Yeah. Yeah.

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Sarah : So I think maybe what

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you're picking up on is for a

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movie, we'll get, like,

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Victor Von Doom, but we're gonna get Tony.

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Will: Yeah, yeah. Well, if you're gonna do

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stuck casting, then let's just bring in Tom Cruise to play Tony

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Sarah : You know, you know, like Matt Damon

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found himself, like, just managed to get

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himself into these movies. So why not? Why

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Will: If we're going to throw $80 million at the resource brothers and, you know,

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I think Downey, I think. But I think he's getting 50 million

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apiece for these films. So. Yeah, yeah,

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so. And it's nothing. It's Robert Downey

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Junior. I. He's a wonderful

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actor, and he will definitely bring a

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different element to this, but it's just going

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to be, you know, even though he's a fantastic

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actor, it's going to be hard for me.

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I mean, to like, to

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switch gears and be like, oh, this is a

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different character. even though it.

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comic book where I can, like, switch

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gears like that. It's like I, was thinking about it, like,

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like if bringing in Star Trek here, it's like if you

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brought William Shack into, like, you know,

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he played Kirk, and then in the next film,

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he's like, con. I mean, it's just like going from

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hero to villain, and I'm just like. They're just so

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iconic in the roles that they inhabited in

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that unit, that universe that it's

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just very hard for me to like to

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get over it. And it does this. It does this wreak to

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me of, and kind of what Deadpool and Wolverine,

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in his own kind of way, was like poking fun

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at Marvel. You know, they even called it out

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in the film as far as their desperation. And, it

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just, it just reeks of this.

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back to the hits that we know, and there's

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no guarantee that. Yes, you know, the Rooster brothers,

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yeah, they did a wonderful job, but that was a long time. That

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was many years ago, and some of their projects ever since

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have not been so good. And,

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and, you know, you know,

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the genre is at a place now

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where, yeah, you know, people still like comic book movies and

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stuff, but, you know, it's not 2018

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or 2019 when these films came out. So the

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landscape's totally different now. And so there's

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no guarantee that, that, ah, light is going to be captured in the bottle again.

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Sarah : Yeah, but that's with anything. Like, if you, if they were

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to hire new, new directors, it would

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be very similar. Like, well, we'll

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see. I mean, like, there, there is no

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guarantee, but you can apply that to virtually

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anything.

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Will: Yeah, look at Star wars.

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Sarah : So, yeah, yeah, I,

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would, initially, I

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would agree desperation. But on, thinking about

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it and hearing the price tag,

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I don't know if it's desperation. These movies

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aren't doing that bad.

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Will: They're not, they're not. I mean, just artistic.

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Sarah : Put all of this money, like,

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is very strong word. And I

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just, I don't. It's, I

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mean, come on. It's not like they're, they're in

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the place where the DCU

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was a year, like,

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like, and this, this has a hefty

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price tag. So I,

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I don't know, like, we're not in the rooms.

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We're not, we're not behind the scenes. And

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honestly, we don't want to be because we want to just go to the movies

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and let the story take over. I think

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that initial reaction and discussion

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has been very fascinating.

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some of the best discourse I've heard come

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out of an announcement

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at any type of these

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events, in a very long time, not

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because of the excitement, but because of the

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honest. Like, let's have a

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chat about this. Let's have a chat about the state of the

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genre. Let's have a chat about,

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like, these characters and the

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storylines and what's working and what's not. And

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I think, and that

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is what's more intriguing.

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then just, I mean, the

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sad thing is, if they had cast somebody new, it'd just be like,

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okay, well, what have they done before? We'll

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see. When now it's a very

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different conversation, and I think it's a far more

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interesting conversation. So I'm just happy

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about that.

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Will: Yeah, I, oh, I completely agree. I completely agree.

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And, yeah, I mean, like I said, I think even toy, I was

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like, you know, if, you know, we, you'll have the receipts.

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If I'm like, gushing in

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2026 and

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2027, we were watching these two films. And actually, even, I

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guess, even next year when Fantastic

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Four drops and at

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least, yeah, well, you know, we'll get the end credit with,

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you know, with him introduced and, and I guess that's the other thing, too,

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I guess, you know, looking at the earlier phases,

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with, like, the thanos, with the whole build up,

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I guess, you, know, by the time we got

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to Infinity War and endgame, we had, we had

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three phases under us and there was just ten years

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of build up and stuff. So they're going to have to just

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manufacture that level

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of intensity which you know, I think, you know,

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casting Robert Downey junior definitely gets you at already probably

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at level seven.

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Sarah : Well, especially if it's a stark variant

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of.

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Will: Yeah.

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Sarah : Or if Stark has always been a variant of

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doom.

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Will: Yeah.

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Sarah : Like, that's another way to do it

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is like. Like Tony Stark was unique

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for our planet, but. Or

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he was our anchor.

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Will: Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's the thing. I mean, you're right. I mean, the

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thing, the anchor, the whole

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concept anchor beans. I mean, you know, and

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you made an excellent point too, with, with the

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vibe from Loki and Fantastic Four, but also just

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Loki doing the reset, you know, at the end of

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season two, with the whole multiverse,

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all that we've known up to this point, is

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can really. It can be twisted and turned

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inside out. But, you know, I guess it's

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just for me to.

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Sarah : It doesn't negate anything that has come

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before.

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Will: No, no.

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Sarah : We know that they did it in a way where those

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are, like, consolidated stories

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and phases and of other stuff. But,

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yeah, it's.

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Again, I think it's perfect

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timing for Marvel, which, the one more

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thing I want to just point out, too, is

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that, we've talked about a lot of the Marvel

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announcements, but there are

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two dates, from what I understand, on the

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calendar that, and I think one

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is right before the

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first doomsday comes out, and then

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one in between Doomsday and secret

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wars that they have not

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announced what will occur.

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and then, of course, between

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now in secret wars, there's going to be

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a new Spider man, but Spider man doesn't count because it's Sony

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projects. So

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I think even Disney

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or Feige was just like,

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we've gone both directions on this, where

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we've held black and just did everything for

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D 23, and then we've done the other

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end where we've given everything

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and announced things that honestly never

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came true. and

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we'll get into a few of those shortly,

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but, yeah, and so

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they made very purposeful

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announcements and,

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like, build of excitement for

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projects that are definitely going to happen.

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and then they also kept some things that

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to share

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later. So.

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Will: Yeah. Now, is one of those. One of those dates? Is that

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hell for thunderbolts, by chance?

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Sarah : No. Okay.

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Will: Okay.

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Sarah : They're unnamed Marvel

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projects, from what I understand.

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and I'm pretty sure it's two. It could be

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three, but there's one right before

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doomsday, and there's one in between

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00:23:50.538 --> 00:23:52.678
the two avengers. Speculation

515
00:23:53.938 --> 00:23:56.768
is, doctor strange three,

516
00:23:57.308 --> 00:23:58.808
and, country.

517
00:24:01.428 --> 00:24:01.478
Yeah.

518
00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:04.560
Will: I think that's what. Yeah, I mean, I know, I know

519
00:24:04.584 --> 00:24:07.440
Iger, like, I know they were definitely throttling

520
00:24:07.504 --> 00:24:10.432
back on a lot of the television production and, and

521
00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:13.296
only doing well, I think Iger was, what, two,

522
00:24:13.432 --> 00:24:16.432
maybe three films a year? So, you

523
00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:19.200
know, so I, I

524
00:24:19.384 --> 00:24:21.828
wonder if those dates will get shuffled around,

525
00:24:22.608 --> 00:24:25.594
given, given the new focus that

526
00:24:25.626 --> 00:24:28.258
they're trying to, you know,

527
00:24:28.418 --> 00:24:31.330
pull back some of the, you know, spread these projects

528
00:24:31.354 --> 00:24:34.290
out to get, you know, get the artistic levels back

529
00:24:34.314 --> 00:24:35.498
to where it used to be.

530
00:24:35.618 --> 00:24:38.450
Sarah : Oh, oh, yeah. I'm all about spreading projects

531
00:24:38.474 --> 00:24:41.130
out, but at the same time, if there's,

532
00:24:41.274 --> 00:24:44.274
we're telling a much larger story here. I mean, you said

533
00:24:44.306 --> 00:24:46.994
it yourself, we're gonna have to manufacture

534
00:24:47.066 --> 00:24:50.002
some, some, decades

535
00:24:50.050 --> 00:24:51.554
worth of stories. So.

536
00:24:51.626 --> 00:24:54.524
Will: Yeah, yeah. Especially when you have 67 characters

537
00:24:54.636 --> 00:24:56.810
show up in, show up in secret War.

538
00:24:56.858 --> 00:24:59.746
Sarah : So I feel like we, we had

539
00:24:59.786 --> 00:25:02.602
at least 50 show up in, like, the

540
00:25:02.634 --> 00:25:05.610
final fight scene in Endgame. So, yeah,

541
00:25:05.658 --> 00:25:07.626
we did a lot of characters, guys.

542
00:25:07.786 --> 00:25:10.770
Will: Yeah, there's been a lot. Yeah, yeah. To your point about budget.

543
00:25:10.818 --> 00:25:13.006
Yeah. They're not going to spare any expense.

544
00:25:14.026 --> 00:25:16.126
Sarah : Yeah. All right,

545
00:25:16.466 --> 00:25:19.442
so. So, Deadpool, I guess I'm

546
00:25:19.474 --> 00:25:22.380
just going to start with, my opening thought.

547
00:25:22.524 --> 00:25:25.328
And it took me a while to come to this realization.

548
00:25:27.268 --> 00:25:29.848
My theory is that

549
00:25:30.468 --> 00:25:32.932
because it dawned on me earlier

550
00:25:33.020 --> 00:25:36.004
today what our first reactions were

551
00:25:36.036 --> 00:25:38.088
to the trailer for this movie.

552
00:25:40.028 --> 00:25:42.884
I vaguely remember, and you can correct me if I'm

553
00:25:42.916 --> 00:25:45.814
wrong, you made a comment. You're like,

554
00:25:46.006 --> 00:25:48.862
I just. They, they kept saying the f

555
00:25:48.910 --> 00:25:51.326
word, like, over religiously.

556
00:25:51.462 --> 00:25:51.878
Will: Yep.

557
00:25:52.318 --> 00:25:55.014
Sarah : now, now. And me, I was like,

558
00:25:55.046 --> 00:25:57.790
oh, I did not notice that at all. I noticed

559
00:25:57.814 --> 00:26:00.604
that throughout the entire movie. I just, There

560
00:26:00.636 --> 00:26:03.548
was something. I don't know what it was.

561
00:26:03.628 --> 00:26:06.556
I enjoyed myself. I had a smile on the full

562
00:26:06.612 --> 00:26:08.288
time now,

563
00:26:08.958 --> 00:26:11.910
emphasis on smile on my face the

564
00:26:11.934 --> 00:26:14.646
full time. When you're

565
00:26:14.702 --> 00:26:17.302
sitting in a movie theater and

566
00:26:17.350 --> 00:26:19.446
clearly jokes are hitting because you

567
00:26:19.502 --> 00:26:22.458
suddenly start to hear the laughter

568
00:26:22.798 --> 00:26:25.270
and you're like, oh, like, I

569
00:26:25.294 --> 00:26:28.102
understood, but I just. For some

570
00:26:28.150 --> 00:26:30.942
reason, the jokes were not hitting me. Like,

571
00:26:31.030 --> 00:26:33.378
they. I don't know what it was.

572
00:26:33.878 --> 00:26:36.382
I think I was just in a bad mood that

573
00:26:36.430 --> 00:26:39.080
day. Honestly. I did not go to the

574
00:26:39.104 --> 00:26:41.536
theater, like, with the right mental

575
00:26:41.592 --> 00:26:44.184
headspace, I will give it that.

576
00:26:44.376 --> 00:26:47.168
So take what I say with

577
00:26:47.208 --> 00:26:49.704
a grain of salt. I know it was

578
00:26:49.736 --> 00:26:52.640
funny, but at the same time, I

579
00:26:52.664 --> 00:26:55.352
can't lie to y'all. I really don't

580
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:58.144
know when I actually fully laughed at

581
00:26:58.176 --> 00:27:01.056
anything. and,

582
00:27:01.152 --> 00:27:03.920
and it's not that the humor was

583
00:27:03.984 --> 00:27:06.600
very. It's like the sexual stuff.

584
00:27:06.664 --> 00:27:09.192
No, I think I might have laughed at a few of those,

585
00:27:09.320 --> 00:27:12.136
but I just, I don't know, there was

586
00:27:12.192 --> 00:27:14.468
something where I just,

587
00:27:15.688 --> 00:27:18.608
I never fully got lost in the

588
00:27:18.648 --> 00:27:19.232
story.

589
00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:20.496
Will: Yeah, yeah.

590
00:27:20.552 --> 00:27:23.416
Sarah : And it was, and it was, I am one of

591
00:27:23.432 --> 00:27:26.264
those people, is just like, there just was way too

592
00:27:26.296 --> 00:27:28.868
many jokes. No,

593
00:27:29.768 --> 00:27:30.774
I don't know.

594
00:27:30.936 --> 00:27:33.666
Will: Yeah, see, it's funny that you bring that up

595
00:27:33.682 --> 00:27:36.602
because actually I thought about our conversation too, in

596
00:27:36.610 --> 00:27:39.038
the first, with that, with the opening scene.

597
00:27:39.718 --> 00:27:42.600
and I remember I was, and I

598
00:27:42.624 --> 00:27:45.344
remember our reaction to that first, to the trailer. And I,

599
00:27:45.416 --> 00:27:48.120
and you're right, I did say that

600
00:27:48.304 --> 00:27:51.216
all the f bombs. And then the other thing is I felt like they

601
00:27:51.232 --> 00:27:52.428
were trying too hard.

602
00:27:52.768 --> 00:27:53.548
Sarah : Yeah.

603
00:27:54.008 --> 00:27:56.624
Will: And so my, initially,

604
00:27:56.776 --> 00:27:59.584
when the film first started, I, I

605
00:27:59.656 --> 00:28:01.618
was, I wasn't,

606
00:28:03.478 --> 00:28:06.118
I did, I was, you know, it took me a while to get

607
00:28:06.158 --> 00:28:09.116
into that, into the groove of it because I

608
00:28:09.132 --> 00:28:11.940
did feel like, oh man, they're trying too damn hard. They really are

609
00:28:11.964 --> 00:28:14.914
trying too damn hard. with, with, with that opening

610
00:28:14.946 --> 00:28:17.312
credit. And you know, they did

611
00:28:17.360 --> 00:28:20.128
like not to go back to our discussion about

612
00:28:20.168 --> 00:28:23.072
RDH, RDJ. I mean, they did try to honor

613
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:25.992
what happened in Logan and they did address

614
00:28:26.040 --> 00:28:28.994
it that's like, look, you know, we, this, this,

615
00:28:29.146 --> 00:28:32.010
to the story's credit, they did just say,

616
00:28:32.034 --> 00:28:35.018
look, this, this wolverine's a variant. He's

617
00:28:35.058 --> 00:28:37.898
not the Logan that you saw in, you know, James

618
00:28:37.938 --> 00:28:40.516
Mangold's film, when we say goodbye to that

619
00:28:40.572 --> 00:28:41.636
character years ago.

620
00:28:41.692 --> 00:28:42.628
Sarah : Right, right.

621
00:28:42.988 --> 00:28:45.788
Will: so there, so I did appreciate

622
00:28:45.868 --> 00:28:48.528
that because I was wondering how they were going to tackle that.

623
00:28:49.468 --> 00:28:52.284
But the humor that with the TVA and

624
00:28:52.356 --> 00:28:55.220
all that stuff. Now that piece did not hit for me and I felt

625
00:28:55.244 --> 00:28:56.690
like it went a bit long.

626
00:28:56.884 --> 00:28:57.118
Sarah : Mm

627
00:28:57.068 --> 00:28:59.972
Will: But once he got into the TVA and you know, once it got

628
00:29:00.012 --> 00:29:02.876
into the story and you know, some of the meta

629
00:29:02.924 --> 00:29:05.636
jokes and I just, I love meta humor. Humor.

630
00:29:05.764 --> 00:29:08.628
So, so I had,

631
00:29:08.740 --> 00:29:11.312
I had several just laugh out loud moments,

632
00:29:11.612 --> 00:29:14.524
you know, like, like one that still sticks out to me. That right top

633
00:29:14.548 --> 00:29:17.164
my head is the whole Jennifer Garner and Penn

634
00:29:17.188 --> 00:29:19.292
Affleck joke.

635
00:29:20.092 --> 00:29:22.790
as far as there with the whole daredevil

636
00:29:22.966 --> 00:29:25.920
movie and the blade.

637
00:29:25.976 --> 00:29:28.968
And obviously the blade one, I mean, I think the blade one was the one

638
00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:31.362
where I was just like, I was on the floor.

639
00:29:31.572 --> 00:29:34.388
but, but it was interesting, it was

640
00:29:34.420 --> 00:29:37.396
interesting in my theater because it was a note, if it

641
00:29:37.404 --> 00:29:40.188
was like in yours, where it was a real cross section of

642
00:29:40.220 --> 00:29:43.004
like people. So you had younger folk yet, millennials and gen

643
00:29:43.028 --> 00:29:45.392
z ers yet Gen xers like me.

644
00:29:45.782 --> 00:29:48.454
And so, like, a lot of the humor for me as a Gen

645
00:29:48.478 --> 00:29:51.478
xer and just remembering those Marvel films, like when I was

646
00:29:51.510 --> 00:29:53.402
in my, like twenties,

647
00:29:54.802 --> 00:29:57.698
it hit for me, and maybe that's, maybe I was

648
00:29:57.730 --> 00:29:58.542
at that.

649
00:30:00.682 --> 00:30:03.634
It was a four quadrant film, I think. So some things hit

650
00:30:03.658 --> 00:30:06.422
for some people, some things didn't. And for you, it just,

651
00:30:06.802 --> 00:30:09.658
you, like you said, you had a smile on your face, but some of it just

652
00:30:09.810 --> 00:30:12.716
kind of like, I

653
00:30:12.724 --> 00:30:13.604
don't know, it's.

654
00:30:13.668 --> 00:30:14.992
Sarah : It'S like,

655
00:30:15.972 --> 00:30:18.792
I want to be clear,

656
00:30:19.112 --> 00:30:21.544
because I think sometimes when we talk about

657
00:30:21.608 --> 00:30:24.568
humor and we say things hit and things don't

658
00:30:24.600 --> 00:30:27.576
hit, it doesn't necessarily mean you didn't understand

659
00:30:27.664 --> 00:30:28.416
the joke.

660
00:30:28.544 --> 00:30:29.332
Will: Yeah, yeah.

661
00:30:29.332 --> 00:30:32.192
Sarah : because it's just more like,

662
00:30:33.092 --> 00:30:36.028
for whatever reason, either the way, the

663
00:30:36.060 --> 00:30:38.664
way it was said, the way it was executed,

664
00:30:38.788 --> 00:30:41.072
the way, the

665
00:30:41.112 --> 00:30:43.772
punchline, it just did not

666
00:30:44.232 --> 00:30:47.048
like, make me laugh out loud. It

667
00:30:47.080 --> 00:30:49.848
was more like, okay, uh-huh. I got

668
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:52.848
it. Like, I will admit,

669
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:55.704
the one joke that a lot of people have talked about, and

670
00:30:55.728 --> 00:30:58.504
you even brought it up that I didn't know

671
00:30:58.568 --> 00:31:01.280
anything about or the implications around was

672
00:31:01.336 --> 00:31:03.794
mainly the blade joke. I didn't, I

673
00:31:03.858 --> 00:31:06.802
forgot, honestly, Ryan Reynolds was ever in blade

674
00:31:06.842 --> 00:31:09.434
because I never saw that last movie.

675
00:31:09.538 --> 00:31:10.102
Will: Yeah.

676
00:31:10.592 --> 00:31:13.480
Sarah : and I definitely did not know the history between

677
00:31:13.536 --> 00:31:14.688
the two actors.

678
00:31:14.840 --> 00:31:15.192
Will: Yeah.

679
00:31:15.232 --> 00:31:18.032
Sarah : So, I mean, I think the, some of the funniest

680
00:31:18.072 --> 00:31:21.068
stuff came from Channing Tatum. because, yeah, because,

681
00:31:21.140 --> 00:31:23.912
and that worked. But,

682
00:31:24.312 --> 00:31:27.232
but I also, it didn't work

683
00:31:27.272 --> 00:31:30.224
because I was just like Deadpool, where I'm like, I have no idea

684
00:31:30.248 --> 00:31:32.572
what you're saying. I have no idea.

685
00:31:33.392 --> 00:31:35.968
Will: I think that was part of my. So,

686
00:31:36.120 --> 00:31:38.904
yeah, so I think for me, like, the Channing

687
00:31:38.928 --> 00:31:41.768
tatum stuff worked for a couple of reasons. You know, I liked it.

688
00:31:41.800 --> 00:31:44.432
One, just because I know we didn't, I know we haven't

689
00:31:44.472 --> 00:31:47.376
spent hardly any time talking about it here on the podcast, but I

690
00:31:47.384 --> 00:31:50.264
just do know, like, all help for years, he was

691
00:31:50.288 --> 00:31:53.024
like, before John Krasinski is Reed Richards, it was Channing

692
00:31:53.048 --> 00:31:54.128
Tatum and Gambit.

693
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:57.064
Sarah : You know, I felt, I felt like we talked a lot

694
00:31:57.128 --> 00:32:00.112
about this gambit movie. I remember, okay,

695
00:32:00.152 --> 00:32:03.128
like, I'm pretty sure, and I could have just made

696
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:06.064
this up in my head. He came out of stage at Sandy K

697
00:32:06.088 --> 00:32:08.912
to go Comic Con 2019, like

698
00:32:08.952 --> 00:32:11.600
the same year they announced Mahershala Ali.

699
00:32:11.736 --> 00:32:14.056
This was a legit thing. I like,

700
00:32:14.144 --> 00:32:16.896
like, I forgot that. Yeah, those

701
00:32:16.944 --> 00:32:19.528
jokes worked for me. It's just that towards the end of

702
00:32:19.560 --> 00:32:22.504
it, I was just like Deadpool. I'm like, I

703
00:32:22.528 --> 00:32:25.016
don't understand. And, and they've done three

704
00:32:25.064 --> 00:32:28.028
times, but I, I, ah, think it's.

705
00:32:29.230 --> 00:32:31.998
And you know, I like meta humor, so it's

706
00:32:32.094 --> 00:32:34.478
not like I don't. Because we watch the boys.

707
00:32:34.614 --> 00:32:35.690
Will: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

708
00:32:37.150 --> 00:32:39.870
Sarah : But for whatever reason, it

709
00:32:39.910 --> 00:32:42.330
just felt like

710
00:32:43.230 --> 00:32:45.790
it was the same jokes

711
00:32:45.950 --> 00:32:48.862
again and again. Like, I

712
00:32:48.886 --> 00:32:51.650
don't know why, but I just was

713
00:32:51.730 --> 00:32:54.146
tired by the end of it. I'm like, you've only

714
00:32:54.218 --> 00:32:56.978
made a very, like, like, talk

715
00:32:57.034 --> 00:32:59.410
about multiverse, in my

716
00:32:59.450 --> 00:33:02.442
opinion. And I have, I've only watched this

717
00:33:02.466 --> 00:33:05.230
movie once. and I

718
00:33:05.270 --> 00:33:08.126
know I am in the minority on this, but for

719
00:33:08.158 --> 00:33:11.046
whatever reason, like, maybe this was

720
00:33:11.078 --> 00:33:14.046
done on purpose, but it felt like all of the

721
00:33:14.158 --> 00:33:17.110
jokes were just variants of the same

722
00:33:17.190 --> 00:33:20.022
meta jokes. Like, and I'm like, again and

723
00:33:20.046 --> 00:33:22.950
again. So maybe there is some underlining joke

724
00:33:22.990 --> 00:33:25.926
on that, which I think it was, but

725
00:33:25.958 --> 00:33:28.918
at the same time, I'm like, yeah, I did not sign up

726
00:33:28.934 --> 00:33:29.650
for that.

727
00:33:31.430 --> 00:33:34.382
Will: Yeah, I think that. I think that's part

728
00:33:34.406 --> 00:33:37.398
of the. I think that was part of it. Sarah, you nailed it.

729
00:33:37.414 --> 00:33:40.390
I mean, I think that's part

730
00:33:40.430 --> 00:33:43.390
of what was. So, to me, what was sort of the genius of that, of

731
00:33:43.430 --> 00:33:46.360
that film. and because I wasn't going

732
00:33:46.416 --> 00:33:48.920
into it, honestly, I had so I had high

733
00:33:48.976 --> 00:33:51.728
expect, I had high expectations

734
00:33:51.800 --> 00:33:54.704
of being entertained, which I was. But as

735
00:33:54.728 --> 00:33:57.568
far as it being, like, carrying anything forward

736
00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:00.624
as far as the MCU and everything else, I was just sort of

737
00:34:00.648 --> 00:34:03.600
like, let me just, you know, let me

738
00:34:03.616 --> 00:34:06.440
just see what happens. And I, you know, and I think, you know,

739
00:34:06.456 --> 00:34:08.896
I did, you know, and we, we were talking

740
00:34:08.984 --> 00:34:11.832
about last week with the x 23

741
00:34:11.872 --> 00:34:14.832
spoiler. now that we've watched it, you

742
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:16.988
know, I didn't, I didn't see the trailer, but,

743
00:34:18.138 --> 00:34:21.130
I, you know, saw that trending on Twitter and I was like,

744
00:34:21.154 --> 00:34:24.106
God damn it. So. But, you know, but at the

745
00:34:24.122 --> 00:34:26.674
same time, I was super. Whenever,

746
00:34:26.746 --> 00:34:29.178
whenever Wesley Snipes showed up on

747
00:34:29.218 --> 00:34:31.028
screen, and

748
00:34:31.888 --> 00:34:34.864
that one that I was, for me, that was just like,

749
00:34:34.896 --> 00:34:37.744
again, my gen xer, you know,

750
00:34:37.816 --> 00:34:40.712
remember going back, remembering watching that m the first

751
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:43.374
blade movie. Oh, so

752
00:34:43.406 --> 00:34:46.006
good, so good. And then, of course, the

753
00:34:46.022 --> 00:34:48.862
other. Not only the jokes that he and Reiner were, like, exchanging,

754
00:34:48.910 --> 00:34:51.398
but he did the line where he was just like, I'm the only

755
00:34:51.438 --> 00:34:52.098
blade.

756
00:34:52.478 --> 00:34:55.478
Sarah : Yeah, I mean, that was, that was a good one.

757
00:34:55.558 --> 00:34:58.518
That was a good. Partly because Deadpool did not

758
00:34:58.558 --> 00:35:01.258
technically respond exactly

759
00:35:01.758 --> 00:35:03.578
like, that was another thing.

760
00:35:05.098 --> 00:35:07.596
I was just like, wolverine, where I'm like,

761
00:35:07.762 --> 00:35:10.360
dude, let other people have some freaking

762
00:35:10.424 --> 00:35:13.272
lines. And so I'm watching the movie.

763
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:16.112
I last week, for those who listen, know,

764
00:35:16.200 --> 00:35:19.040
I had no idea what will was talking about when he

765
00:35:19.064 --> 00:35:21.568
alluded to this infamous spoiler.

766
00:35:21.688 --> 00:35:24.624
So I did spend, and maybe this was

767
00:35:24.656 --> 00:35:27.648
to my enjoyment, like,

768
00:35:27.598 --> 00:35:30.498
hindered my enjoyment of the, ah, at least the first

769
00:35:30.618 --> 00:35:32.928
two thirds of the movie. But

770
00:35:33.348 --> 00:35:36.164
I was trying to be on lookout for, like, what the

771
00:35:36.196 --> 00:35:38.648
heck was will talking about? Now

772
00:35:38.988 --> 00:35:41.900
rewind to the night before I went because I went on a

773
00:35:41.924 --> 00:35:44.870
Sunday and, Saturday I'm on

774
00:35:44.894 --> 00:35:47.698
TikTok and, the Chris Evans,

775
00:35:48.658 --> 00:35:51.574
showing up, as, not as Captain America, but as

776
00:35:51.606 --> 00:35:54.498
Johnny Storm got ruined for me.

777
00:35:55.358 --> 00:35:58.334
I'm in the theater, that part comes and I'm

778
00:35:58.366 --> 00:36:00.958
like, this had better been the spoiler

779
00:36:01.038 --> 00:36:03.898
because. And that is effed up.

780
00:36:04.438 --> 00:36:07.398
Will: Yeah. And then I'm sorry,

781
00:36:07.438 --> 00:36:10.358
that got ruined for it because that, that was. That was one of those, that was another one of

782
00:36:10.358 --> 00:36:13.174
those fours. I was like, I was like, they got

783
00:36:13.206 --> 00:36:13.778
me.

784
00:36:14.278 --> 00:36:16.854
Sarah : But, but, like, but

785
00:36:16.926 --> 00:36:19.878
fast forward to when x 23 shows

786
00:36:19.918 --> 00:36:21.578
up and my mind's just like,

787
00:36:22.558 --> 00:36:25.326
yeah, cool, cool. All right, all right. And then I asked

788
00:36:25.382 --> 00:36:27.990
will what the spoiler were and he's like, x 23? And I'm

789
00:36:28.014 --> 00:36:30.686
like, I thought that was a known

790
00:36:30.742 --> 00:36:33.734
thing. I was not surprised when she showed

791
00:36:33.766 --> 00:36:33.798
up.

792
00:36:34.300 --> 00:36:37.204
Will: yeah, that was the known thing because they spoiled it. They killed that

793
00:36:37.236 --> 00:36:37.876
scene.

794
00:36:38.052 --> 00:36:40.780
Sarah : Well, no, no, no, but let me finish. I was not

795
00:36:40.844 --> 00:36:43.588
spoiled yet. The scene did

796
00:36:43.628 --> 00:36:45.888
not affect me in any way.

797
00:36:47.188 --> 00:36:49.996
Like, so the reveal did not

798
00:36:50.052 --> 00:36:52.908
work, and yet it was technically a reveal

799
00:36:52.948 --> 00:36:55.858
for me. I am done. Okay.

800
00:36:56.198 --> 00:36:59.094
Will: Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

801
00:36:59.286 --> 00:37:02.128
I, hear you. I, think that, well, with

802
00:37:02.176 --> 00:37:04.896
all the other. By the time she does walk out

803
00:37:05.080 --> 00:37:07.576
for me, it was like, it got ruined because I saw it on

804
00:37:07.600 --> 00:37:10.382
Twitter maybe, you know, but.

805
00:37:10.438 --> 00:37:13.390
But for you, it didn't, you know, you got ruined

806
00:37:13.422 --> 00:37:16.270
by the Johnny storm when I would have been pissed about seeing that Chris

807
00:37:16.302 --> 00:37:19.266
Evans was in there, Johnny Storm. and that got spoiled for me.

808
00:37:19.290 --> 00:37:22.214
I was very good. I was very lucky that didn't get

809
00:37:22.764 --> 00:37:25.668
hit, spoiled by any of the other, other appearances. And

810
00:37:25.676 --> 00:37:28.662
of course, you know, Henry Cavill, we cannot. We

811
00:37:28.678 --> 00:37:31.400
cannot go tonight without talking about, that,

812
00:37:31.536 --> 00:37:34.430
him showing up and, in

813
00:37:34.446 --> 00:37:36.112
the film, which was, a nice

814
00:37:37.332 --> 00:37:40.244
little thing there to have fun.

815
00:37:40.308 --> 00:37:42.632
Have fun at DC's expense there.

816
00:37:43.772 --> 00:37:45.232
Sarah : Yeah, yeah.

817
00:37:46.382 --> 00:37:48.894
Well, I. Yeah, they,

818
00:37:49.078 --> 00:37:51.664
they made a movie, Hugh

819
00:37:51.688 --> 00:37:54.304
Jackman, Ryan Reynolds. Chemistry.

820
00:37:54.408 --> 00:37:55.032
Great.

821
00:37:55.192 --> 00:37:56.412
Will: Yeah, basically.

822
00:37:56.712 --> 00:37:59.328
Sarah : Yeah. I mean, it was good. I

823
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:00.802
just. I think it's,

824
00:38:02.632 --> 00:38:04.772
for our longtime listeners,

825
00:38:06.232 --> 00:38:09.208
go back and relisten to some of our

826
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:12.240
reactions to maybe not this season of the boys,

827
00:38:12.296 --> 00:38:14.920
but maybe like previous

828
00:38:15.016 --> 00:38:17.734
season, and then compare

829
00:38:17.918 --> 00:38:20.718
reactions to our reactions. Because

830
00:38:20.750 --> 00:38:23.718
a part of me, I feel like we did some

831
00:38:23.790 --> 00:38:25.482
role reversal here.

832
00:38:30.022 --> 00:38:32.950
I don't know, I feel myself

833
00:38:33.046 --> 00:38:35.870
thinking some of the criticism

834
00:38:36.006 --> 00:38:38.318
that you've had about some of the boys

835
00:38:38.390 --> 00:38:40.838
humor or some of the other

836
00:38:41.030 --> 00:38:43.956
shows that maybe even doom patrol

837
00:38:44.044 --> 00:38:46.716
author out there that slide into this

838
00:38:46.764 --> 00:38:49.512
very, like, dark humor.

839
00:38:50.212 --> 00:38:52.900
And I just

840
00:38:52.956 --> 00:38:55.940
feel like I'm like, wow, wow. I

841
00:38:55.956 --> 00:38:58.644
am seeing Deadpool Wolverine through

842
00:38:58.708 --> 00:39:01.436
Will's eyes, and he

843
00:39:01.484 --> 00:39:03.552
fortunately saw it through mine.

844
00:39:06.852 --> 00:39:09.156
Will: Yeah. You know, it happens. It happens.

845
00:39:09.284 --> 00:39:12.028
Sarah : It does. I mean, I mean,

846
00:39:12.220 --> 00:39:15.196
hey, hey, if only you had. We had done this

847
00:39:15.244 --> 00:39:18.216
when we went to go see, love and thunder,

848
00:39:18.344 --> 00:39:21.104
you know, off of that

849
00:39:21.168 --> 00:39:22.512
different universe.

850
00:39:22.632 --> 00:39:23.452
Will: Totally.

851
00:39:24.792 --> 00:39:26.268
Sarah : Oh, man, for sure.

852
00:39:26.332 --> 00:39:27.188
Will: For sure.

853
00:39:27.372 --> 00:39:30.308
Sarah : Any. Any other big things you want to. You want

854
00:39:30.332 --> 00:39:32.816
to talk about deadpool?

855
00:39:33.856 --> 00:39:36.402
Will: just the only other thing is, I, think the other,

856
00:39:36.742 --> 00:39:39.598
the one story thing that did kind of work for

857
00:39:39.630 --> 00:39:42.174
me was just sort of the recurring theme of the

858
00:39:42.198 --> 00:39:45.062
steadpole with, we just tried to find his place

859
00:39:45.102 --> 00:39:47.948
of belonging. I I did. I did think that worked.

860
00:39:47.980 --> 00:39:50.220
That worked for me in the story, too. So again,

861
00:39:51.626 --> 00:39:54.194
beyond the jokes, I mean, the jokes were great, but.

862
00:39:54.370 --> 00:39:57.362
And I know some people say it's a paper thin plot, and

863
00:39:57.394 --> 00:39:59.972
it is, but I mean, I, you know,

864
00:40:00.164 --> 00:40:02.868
I wasn't going to watch this movie for the plot. You nailed it. It was

865
00:40:02.892 --> 00:40:05.788
like we were going to see Ryan reynolds

866
00:40:05.852 --> 00:40:08.844
and Hugh Jackman just, you know, yuck it up for

867
00:40:09.020 --> 00:40:11.816
2 hours because they just have incredible chemistry.

868
00:40:13.156 --> 00:40:16.056
Sarah : Right? I agree.

869
00:40:18.476 --> 00:40:21.316
I guess I wouldn't say it's

870
00:40:21.356 --> 00:40:23.932
paper thin plot. It's paper

871
00:40:24.004 --> 00:40:25.856
thin character development,

872
00:40:26.446 --> 00:40:29.124
because, yeah, it

873
00:40:29.140 --> 00:40:29.696
was,

874
00:40:32.466 --> 00:40:35.074
there was so much just

875
00:40:35.130 --> 00:40:37.650
the, whether. Whether it was the joke

876
00:40:37.698 --> 00:40:40.090
fest or the meta jokes

877
00:40:40.218 --> 00:40:42.874
or just

878
00:40:42.930 --> 00:40:45.402
the continuous fighting,

879
00:40:45.514 --> 00:40:46.806
people who

880
00:40:47.426 --> 00:40:50.306
regenerate. That's cool.

881
00:40:50.466 --> 00:40:53.290
Maybe one. But no, I feel like we at least got three

882
00:40:53.338 --> 00:40:55.882
sequences of that. Maybe two and a

883
00:40:55.884 --> 00:40:58.780
half. But, but

884
00:40:58.948 --> 00:41:01.906
so, so it just, And then to

885
00:41:01.946 --> 00:41:04.850
have, like, these brief glimmers, I'm gonna be honest.

886
00:41:04.938 --> 00:41:07.242
I love Hugh Jackman. I love his portrayal of

887
00:41:07.274 --> 00:41:10.046
Wolverine. I love his portrayal Logan.

888
00:41:10.346 --> 00:41:13.138
Great. For whatever reason, when.

889
00:41:13.202 --> 00:41:15.946
When Novo went into his

890
00:41:15.986 --> 00:41:18.866
head and then we had those scenes, like,

891
00:41:18.906 --> 00:41:21.872
those scenes did not work for me because I

892
00:41:21.904 --> 00:41:24.792
was just like, I'm not attached to

893
00:41:24.824 --> 00:41:27.184
this version of Wolverine at

894
00:41:27.240 --> 00:41:30.168
all. And, and then even

895
00:41:30.232 --> 00:41:32.832
with Wade and, like, I thought it was

896
00:41:32.904 --> 00:41:35.824
interesting at the beginning with the scene with happy. And I

897
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:38.836
felt bad for him, but

898
00:41:39.696 --> 00:41:42.236
we were. We spent so much time,

899
00:41:42.606 --> 00:41:45.402
away from his friends and the

900
00:41:45.434 --> 00:41:48.296
people he's trying to protect, and him

901
00:41:48.336 --> 00:41:50.436
and Vanessa are not even together.

902
00:41:51.016 --> 00:41:52.000
Will: Yeah. Yeah.

903
00:41:52.088 --> 00:41:54.984
Sarah : What was that? That, like, I

904
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:57.992
mean, at least in the second deadpool, she. She was

905
00:41:58.024 --> 00:42:00.816
dead, and he was trying to get vengeance. I don't know. There was just

906
00:42:00.856 --> 00:42:02.716
some weird choices

907
00:42:03.336 --> 00:42:06.152
where. I

908
00:42:06.264 --> 00:42:09.192
guess. I agree. Like, he shouldn't go into this movie

909
00:42:09.264 --> 00:42:11.476
wanting, like, deep plot,

910
00:42:11.856 --> 00:42:14.608
but I expected more from the characters

911
00:42:14.672 --> 00:42:15.366
themselves.

912
00:42:15.536 --> 00:42:18.058
Will: Yeah. Yeah, I think that's fair. That's. That's. That's

913
00:42:18.082 --> 00:42:19.686
fair. Yeah.

914
00:42:20.066 --> 00:42:22.674
Sarah : All right, so another role

915
00:42:22.730 --> 00:42:25.610
reversal reaction. But this people should see

916
00:42:25.658 --> 00:42:28.570
coming, because this has been this way

917
00:42:28.738 --> 00:42:31.594
for this entire season. Will likes House of

918
00:42:31.610 --> 00:42:33.566
Dragon right now way more than me.

919
00:42:34.866 --> 00:42:37.322
It's like, I know it's a good

920
00:42:37.354 --> 00:42:40.082
show. Don't twist my words.

921
00:42:40.194 --> 00:42:43.010
I'm still. This is one of the best shows on tv.

922
00:42:43.058 --> 00:42:45.924
I totally understand that. That being

923
00:42:45.980 --> 00:42:48.660
said, I'm very curious about

924
00:42:48.748 --> 00:42:51.420
the deep discussion will wants to have, because I'm

925
00:42:51.468 --> 00:42:53.752
like, I, don't. Things,

926
00:42:54.232 --> 00:42:57.088
happened, and some of the conversations

927
00:42:57.160 --> 00:43:00.064
were cool, but I don't know, it just felt like, let's get

928
00:43:00.088 --> 00:43:02.976
to the finale, and

929
00:43:03.104 --> 00:43:05.776
that will lead to a whole other point of this whole

930
00:43:05.824 --> 00:43:08.512
season has been, okay, let's

931
00:43:08.552 --> 00:43:11.322
actually have the war start. I mean, I'm

932
00:43:11.362 --> 00:43:14.114
tired. I'm tired of this, like, Dance

933
00:43:14.178 --> 00:43:16.666
of the Dragons has begun. Has

934
00:43:16.714 --> 00:43:19.522
it? Has it? I understand Renee's

935
00:43:19.562 --> 00:43:22.514
died. I get it. But still,

936
00:43:22.658 --> 00:43:25.370
like, I feel like we just been. We've just.

937
00:43:25.466 --> 00:43:28.330
This has just been, I don't know. I don't

938
00:43:28.346 --> 00:43:30.582
know. Pillow talk. Okay.

939
00:43:32.562 --> 00:43:35.338
This isn't the big thing, but. But go ahead,

940
00:43:35.370 --> 00:43:35.942
Will.

941
00:43:38.052 --> 00:43:40.732
Will: No, I. So it's to.

942
00:43:40.812 --> 00:43:43.806
To paraphrase miss Aria, there's more. More than one. I think I

943
00:43:43.814 --> 00:43:46.390
said this last, but it's more than one way to tell a war story.

944
00:43:46.566 --> 00:43:49.248
And I just. I don't know. I think. I, don't

945
00:43:49.264 --> 00:43:51.860
know. We. I think we had the same

946
00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:56.264
thing happen with us with Shogun this. This

947
00:43:56.312 --> 00:43:58.960
season two, with two of the best shows on television this

948
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.560
year, and, where I think I. My level of

949
00:44:01.600 --> 00:44:04.380
excitement is a little. Little higher than yours.

950
00:44:04.930 --> 00:44:07.802
I agree. You definitely do like the show. It's not that you

951
00:44:07.826 --> 00:44:10.036
don't, but, I just felt

952
00:44:10.188 --> 00:44:12.720
that this week's episode

953
00:44:13.420 --> 00:44:16.268
really was a good

954
00:44:16.324 --> 00:44:19.212
pay. It was a further payoff of the

955
00:44:19.236 --> 00:44:21.920
story of the small folk and

956
00:44:22.300 --> 00:44:25.132
also just the overarching

957
00:44:25.236 --> 00:44:28.092
absurdity of why we're having, you know,

958
00:44:28.116 --> 00:44:31.092
why. Why is King's Landing and Westeros

959
00:44:31.156 --> 00:44:33.500
getting destroyed over. Over

960
00:44:33.620 --> 00:44:35.812
a family squabble

961
00:44:35.956 --> 00:44:38.462
that, Over.

962
00:44:38.566 --> 00:44:41.422
Over a crown that, you know,

963
00:44:41.446 --> 00:44:43.958
the daemon himself, whenever he's having these visions

964
00:44:44.014 --> 00:44:46.694
of viserys, is

965
00:44:46.742 --> 00:44:49.710
like, heavy as the head has to carry this crown,

966
00:44:49.750 --> 00:44:52.474
and it just crushes you. So, I mean, it's just.

967
00:44:52.602 --> 00:44:55.490
And I think what this episode did for me was

968
00:44:55.530 --> 00:44:58.482
just really, One of the.

969
00:44:58.546 --> 00:45:01.474
One of the things that stood out with the discussion with. With team

970
00:45:01.522 --> 00:45:03.750
black in particular was

971
00:45:04.410 --> 00:45:06.786
as they were trying

972
00:45:06.898 --> 00:45:08.990
to get the.

973
00:45:11.370 --> 00:45:14.170
Put the. All call out to execute Jason's plan. Even

974
00:45:14.210 --> 00:45:16.954
though, you know, we saw the failure of it

975
00:45:17.002 --> 00:45:19.968
last week, it, We. You

976
00:45:19.984 --> 00:45:22.960
know, we seeing how the,

977
00:45:23.240 --> 00:45:26.220
How. How the really. How intelligent the dragons are.

978
00:45:26.600 --> 00:45:29.408
As far as, you know, who's really in

979
00:45:29.424 --> 00:45:32.128
control here? Is it the people? Or is it. Is it the

980
00:45:32.144 --> 00:45:34.976
dragons and the

981
00:45:35.008 --> 00:45:36.580
whole political

982
00:45:37.080 --> 00:45:40.032
juxtaposition of the. You know,

983
00:45:40.136 --> 00:45:42.856
the common folk, the small folk and

984
00:45:43.008 --> 00:45:44.260
the highborn.

985
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:47.340
Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Like

986
00:45:48.040 --> 00:45:50.896
I. Before. Before you continue to

987
00:45:50.928 --> 00:45:53.710
go on. And then we have to circle back. I don't want to get

988
00:45:53.750 --> 00:45:56.200
too. Too, far from this

989
00:45:56.500 --> 00:45:59.408
is, Like, I knew you were

990
00:45:59.424 --> 00:46:02.160
going to bring up this conversation because it is. One of the

991
00:46:02.200 --> 00:46:04.714
best parts of this episode is, the

992
00:46:04.746 --> 00:46:07.418
conversation between Jason, his mom.

993
00:46:07.578 --> 00:46:07.962
Will: Yeah.

994
00:46:08.010 --> 00:46:10.912
Sarah : Because, like, let's not mistake. Jace has

995
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:13.568
actually brought this idea to her. And

996
00:46:13.728 --> 00:46:16.504
now his realization, the moment

997
00:46:16.576 --> 00:46:19.388
that Adam comes to Dragonstone

998
00:46:19.808 --> 00:46:22.744
and is low born, suddenly

999
00:46:22.776 --> 00:46:25.268
he's a dragon. So therefore,

1000
00:46:25.648 --> 00:46:28.416
like, nobody says it. He's a

1001
00:46:28.432 --> 00:46:29.096
bastard.

1002
00:46:29.232 --> 00:46:29.948
Will: Yeah.

1003
00:46:30.368 --> 00:46:32.828
Sarah : Like. Like, there's. There's no way.

1004
00:46:33.208 --> 00:46:36.188
And. And then I

1005
00:46:36.348 --> 00:46:39.236
really, It's a great moment

1006
00:46:39.292 --> 00:46:42.116
because it's something. A conversation that

1007
00:46:42.172 --> 00:46:44.888
these two characters clearly have never had

1008
00:46:45.748 --> 00:46:48.048
and never had to have.

1009
00:46:48.508 --> 00:46:51.500
But the acknowledgement of

1010
00:46:51.564 --> 00:46:54.100
him acknowledging

1011
00:46:54.284 --> 00:46:56.768
who his father is to her.

1012
00:46:57.288 --> 00:47:00.238
My only quibble is, I wish.

1013
00:47:00.738 --> 00:47:03.690
I wish there was more she said in response,

1014
00:47:03.834 --> 00:47:06.618
but I don't think. I think she was completely

1015
00:47:06.658 --> 00:47:09.078
caught off guard. But at the same time,

1016
00:47:09.418 --> 00:47:11.998
she's absolutely right because she's like,

1017
00:47:12.578 --> 00:47:15.558
I'm sorry, I, love you. I can. I can see

1018
00:47:15.590 --> 00:47:17.722
where you're coming from, but

1019
00:47:18.462 --> 00:47:21.382
no, we have no

1020
00:47:21.422 --> 00:47:23.742
choice. And let's not

1021
00:47:23.782 --> 00:47:26.480
mistake. You've pointed out the little choice

1022
00:47:26.536 --> 00:47:29.448
I've had. So we're going to stick with this,

1023
00:47:29.600 --> 00:47:32.336
and we're going to kill some people while doing

1024
00:47:32.384 --> 00:47:35.080
it, because there ain't no way all of them are going to

1025
00:47:35.096 --> 00:47:35.728
survive.

1026
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:36.972
Will: Yeah. Yeah.

1027
00:47:37.242 --> 00:47:39.938
Sarah : And it's. And it's true. I. I think

1028
00:47:39.970 --> 00:47:42.762
that that was a very good. And she herself

1029
00:47:42.842 --> 00:47:45.762
even had a problem at. I believe at some point in this

1030
00:47:45.802 --> 00:47:47.906
episode with, like, this

1031
00:47:47.954 --> 00:47:49.822
idea that.

1032
00:47:52.202 --> 00:47:54.810
That the people who are no longer part of the

1033
00:47:54.826 --> 00:47:57.242
bloodline can suddenly be dragon

1034
00:47:57.282 --> 00:47:58.902
writers. And

1035
00:47:59.962 --> 00:48:02.610
I love Maris's, like,

1036
00:48:02.746 --> 00:48:05.410
response to. And it's just like,

1037
00:48:05.586 --> 00:48:07.178
aren't you fighting your brother?

1038
00:48:07.330 --> 00:48:10.222
Will: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Sorry. I, like, nailed it. Yeah.

1039
00:48:10.172 --> 00:48:11.824
that's what. I love that scene.

1040
00:48:12.008 --> 00:48:14.736
Sarah : No, I know. And it's because you're

1041
00:48:14.784 --> 00:48:17.734
talking about not only blood, which,

1042
00:48:17.798 --> 00:48:20.614
honestly, blood does, bring a

1043
00:48:20.638 --> 00:48:23.462
sense of loyalty, but in this universe,

1044
00:48:23.542 --> 00:48:26.242
and specifically for this family,

1045
00:48:28.182 --> 00:48:31.078
power is heavier than the blood

1046
00:48:31.110 --> 00:48:31.790
itself.

1047
00:48:31.966 --> 00:48:32.722
Will: Yeah.

1048
00:48:33.142 --> 00:48:36.124
Sarah : And so any, If

1049
00:48:36.148 --> 00:48:39.044
you go to Starks. Starks, like, oh,

1050
00:48:39.068 --> 00:48:41.860
yeah, it's all about the blood, but. And the loyalty

1051
00:48:41.916 --> 00:48:44.862
there for their family and that. Okay,

1052
00:48:45.242 --> 00:48:47.822
the Lannisters coin.

1053
00:48:48.802 --> 00:48:51.738
Money. Money. But.

1054
00:48:51.810 --> 00:48:54.542
But I. And I think that's good.

1055
00:48:55.752 --> 00:48:58.162
you're. You brought up the,

1056
00:48:58.382 --> 00:49:00.602
The payoff of the small folk.

1057
00:49:02.822 --> 00:49:05.718
Yeah, you're right. You're not wrong when

1058
00:49:05.750 --> 00:49:08.606
you say that. But my only problem is,

1059
00:49:08.654 --> 00:49:11.546
is that, like, well, duh, we've been

1060
00:49:11.594 --> 00:49:14.570
knowing that that was going to happen. Like, Adam

1061
00:49:14.626 --> 00:49:17.338
just got a dragon. You think that the

1062
00:49:17.370 --> 00:49:20.104
other people we randomly have been, introduced

1063
00:49:20.168 --> 00:49:23.128
to are not going to get a dragon? Like. Like,

1064
00:49:23.200 --> 00:49:26.168
we knew that. And I.

1065
00:49:26.200 --> 00:49:28.880
And I have been on tick tock, and I have

1066
00:49:28.936 --> 00:49:31.816
Scene information about the

1067
00:49:31.864 --> 00:49:34.112
lineage and more

1068
00:49:34.152 --> 00:49:36.598
importantly, the dragons. They both

1069
00:49:36.720 --> 00:49:39.658
ulf and, And Hugh end up

1070
00:49:39.690 --> 00:49:42.626
with. And how. If

1071
00:49:42.674 --> 00:49:45.186
only there was a way to have explained

1072
00:49:45.274 --> 00:49:48.114
that over the season, because I

1073
00:49:48.138 --> 00:49:50.342
think. I think the fact that,

1074
00:49:52.442 --> 00:49:53.242
Hugh.

1075
00:49:53.402 --> 00:49:54.142
Will: Yeah.

1076
00:49:54.602 --> 00:49:57.542
Sarah : Ends up with King Jae,

1077
00:49:58.712 --> 00:50:01.464
dragon Jae is

1078
00:50:01.488 --> 00:50:03.850
the father of Hugh's

1079
00:50:03.906 --> 00:50:04.578
mom.

1080
00:50:04.770 --> 00:50:05.426
Will: Yeah.

1081
00:50:05.554 --> 00:50:08.450
Sarah : Who he. He disgraced and. And just

1082
00:50:08.506 --> 00:50:10.554
threw out. And she became a prostitute.

1083
00:50:10.698 --> 00:50:11.330
Will: Yeah.

1084
00:50:11.466 --> 00:50:14.426
Sarah : Well, yeah, he abandoned. He disowned her

1085
00:50:14.474 --> 00:50:17.146
or something. And King

1086
00:50:17.194 --> 00:50:20.114
Jaehaerys is the former king before

1087
00:50:20.178 --> 00:50:22.834
viserys, so. So,

1088
00:50:22.898 --> 00:50:25.722
like, choices were made, and he probably

1089
00:50:25.762 --> 00:50:28.216
disowned her because only heirden

1090
00:50:28.254 --> 00:50:31.156
female. Goodbye. So. So

1091
00:50:31.204 --> 00:50:33.964
the fact that he ends up with. With that

1092
00:50:34.028 --> 00:50:36.468
dragon. But what,

1093
00:50:36.540 --> 00:50:39.314
like, that, that is

1094
00:50:39.378 --> 00:50:42.098
such a fascinating thing,

1095
00:50:42.290 --> 00:50:44.762
but I only know that because I was on tick

1096
00:50:44.802 --> 00:50:45.502
tock.

1097
00:50:45.962 --> 00:50:48.658
Will: No, it was in the episode. I mean. I mean,

1098
00:50:48.730 --> 00:50:50.730
he. I mean, who did say?

1099
00:50:50.826 --> 00:50:53.754
Sarah : No, no, the fact that just. He

1100
00:50:53.778 --> 00:50:56.420
did not. He. He explained, like,

1101
00:50:56.476 --> 00:50:58.812
you. My point is.

1102
00:50:58.932 --> 00:51:01.058
Okay, I, know, he

1103
00:51:01.106 --> 00:51:03.690
explained kind of and

1104
00:51:03.722 --> 00:51:06.386
alluded to his mom was, but he didn't outright,

1105
00:51:06.450 --> 00:51:09.314
like, clearly say, and. And

1106
00:51:09.474 --> 00:51:11.826
I'm sorry. You've met the

1107
00:51:11.850 --> 00:51:14.570
Targaryens. Like, there are 15 people

1108
00:51:14.642 --> 00:51:17.578
named Asterisk. I don't feel like he ever

1109
00:51:17.626 --> 00:51:19.294
really talked about him.

1110
00:51:19.914 --> 00:51:22.730
Will: No, but he did say. I mean, he basically. I mean, as far

1111
00:51:22.762 --> 00:51:25.564
as, like, I know with. I know with

1112
00:51:25.604 --> 00:51:28.556
Olaf. They were very. They were m very clear that he

1113
00:51:28.580 --> 00:51:30.412
was a bastard of Balin.

1114
00:51:30.588 --> 00:51:30.924
Sarah : Yes.

1115
00:51:30.924 --> 00:51:33.244
Will: because he. Cause Balin is,

1116
00:51:33.514 --> 00:51:36.466
Damon and Viserys his father. I actually.

1117
00:51:36.530 --> 00:51:39.378
I actually did print out my. I've been talking about it all season.

1118
00:51:39.426 --> 00:51:42.298
I finally did. I did like, put

1119
00:51:42.346 --> 00:51:45.026
out the family tree for the. For this

1120
00:51:45.090 --> 00:51:47.922
show causes keeping track of all these aegons and

1121
00:51:47.938 --> 00:51:50.824
Viserys and Justeris's. Yeah. I actually

1122
00:51:50.864 --> 00:51:53.776
did pencil. And I did. I was aware, too, as far

1123
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:56.546
as, I guess Balon was, I guess

1124
00:51:56.650 --> 00:51:59.546
Sarah was his wife, at least as far as the

1125
00:51:59.570 --> 00:52:02.476
tv show. And

1126
00:52:02.500 --> 00:52:05.464
then, Excuse me. His other

1127
00:52:05.504 --> 00:52:08.376
daughter. Excuse me. I'm looking at my. I had to pencil that one in because she hadn't been

1128
00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:11.242
added to the, family tree line. With the

1129
00:52:11.258 --> 00:52:14.094
chart that I have here. It only goes up through episode six.

1130
00:52:15.884 --> 00:52:18.882
but, But yeah, Jeh

1131
00:52:18.898 --> 00:52:21.458
Harris's daughter that you. That you referenced being a

1132
00:52:21.466 --> 00:52:23.866
prostitute. Yeah,

1133
00:52:23.930 --> 00:52:26.524
yeah. his mother.

1134
00:52:26.604 --> 00:52:29.550
But, But yeah, I agree with you there that it did.

1135
00:52:29.702 --> 00:52:32.662
You know, he did say that, you know, he had

1136
00:52:32.678 --> 00:52:35.392
a silver haired mother, which, you know, clearly makes, you know,

1137
00:52:35.448 --> 00:52:38.338
very clear that, she's a Targaryens.

1138
00:52:38.386 --> 00:52:41.274
And Targaryens love to fuck, whether it's men, man, men

1139
00:52:41.314 --> 00:52:44.170
or women. In the. In the. In the family, they all are.

1140
00:52:44.242 --> 00:52:46.790
They all have little bastards running

1141
00:52:46.822 --> 00:52:49.698
around all throughout Westeros. but they're just, So,

1142
00:52:50.318 --> 00:52:53.206
yeah, for sure. Yeah. Look at

1143
00:52:53.222 --> 00:52:53.978
corliss.

1144
00:52:54.358 --> 00:52:57.030
Sarah : Well. Well, corliss. Yeah.

1145
00:52:57.094 --> 00:53:00.044
But I, In watching

1146
00:53:00.076 --> 00:53:02.692
this episode and even talking about it, I mean, the

1147
00:53:02.740 --> 00:53:05.452
strong points of this episode are talking about like,

1148
00:53:05.500 --> 00:53:08.004
the quote unquote bastard storylines.

1149
00:53:08.076 --> 00:53:11.010
And if, going back to

1150
00:53:11.034 --> 00:53:14.034
Game of Thrones, Jon freaking Snow was

1151
00:53:14.066 --> 00:53:14.874
a bastard.

1152
00:53:15.026 --> 00:53:16.118
Will: Right, right.

1153
00:53:18.098 --> 00:53:20.938
Sarah : And not. And

1154
00:53:20.978 --> 00:53:23.938
so it's interesting

1155
00:53:24.018 --> 00:53:26.986
how these

1156
00:53:27.042 --> 00:53:29.158
shows and this universe,

1157
00:53:29.818 --> 00:53:32.378
it's all about the power and it's all about

1158
00:53:32.458 --> 00:53:35.114
lineage and legacy and all of

1159
00:53:35.146 --> 00:53:37.562
that. And yet some of the

1160
00:53:37.610 --> 00:53:40.538
characters who end up being our heroes and

1161
00:53:40.618 --> 00:53:42.558
our protagonists are

1162
00:53:42.938 --> 00:53:45.724
bastards. And, Which is

1163
00:53:45.756 --> 00:53:48.332
so interesting when you're talking

1164
00:53:48.380 --> 00:53:51.204
about a story that

1165
00:53:51.276 --> 00:53:53.568
delves deep into family

1166
00:53:53.868 --> 00:53:56.478
and power. and

1167
00:53:57.018 --> 00:53:58.278
you brought up before

1168
00:53:59.498 --> 00:54:02.210
Damon's vision in this episode, and it's a

1169
00:54:02.234 --> 00:54:04.828
vision of, viserys again.

1170
00:54:05.238 --> 00:54:08.052
but the viserys that we kind of ended

1171
00:54:08.100 --> 00:54:09.808
on. And

1172
00:54:11.788 --> 00:54:14.524
I think this is the first scene, I would

1173
00:54:14.556 --> 00:54:17.404
argue the first vision scene that

1174
00:54:17.476 --> 00:54:20.324
it's very clear of why they're

1175
00:54:20.356 --> 00:54:23.048
showing this because it happens right after

1176
00:54:24.068 --> 00:54:26.608
he really has his first,

1177
00:54:28.108 --> 00:54:30.972
like we. Damon's kind of a quote,

1178
00:54:31.020 --> 00:54:33.504
older gentleman at this point.

1179
00:54:33.656 --> 00:54:34.248
Will: Yeah.

1180
00:54:34.368 --> 00:54:37.168
Sarah : But this is the first time when

1181
00:54:37.248 --> 00:54:39.748
he's clearly put in a political

1182
00:54:40.208 --> 00:54:43.200
position of power and has to make a

1183
00:54:43.224 --> 00:54:44.428
decision to,

1184
00:54:45.728 --> 00:54:47.938
to agree,

1185
00:54:48.512 --> 00:54:51.400
with Oscar, which shout out to that kid

1186
00:54:51.464 --> 00:54:53.504
because that kid. Some oppressive

1187
00:54:53.616 --> 00:54:56.216
acting and just, just

1188
00:54:56.312 --> 00:54:59.176
really owned that whole scene. And

1189
00:54:59.192 --> 00:55:01.718
the fact that he's a, like, playing off

1190
00:55:01.758 --> 00:55:04.758
of, off of Matt Smith. I mean,

1191
00:55:04.798 --> 00:55:07.286
just hats off to him for sure.

1192
00:55:07.422 --> 00:55:07.868
Will: Yeah.

1193
00:55:08.608 --> 00:55:10.944
Sarah : but to then have

1194
00:55:10.976 --> 00:55:13.912
Damon have to sacrifice that

1195
00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:16.688
guy who basically was his only

1196
00:55:16.768 --> 00:55:19.664
ally in the Riverlands and then be like, yeah,

1197
00:55:19.696 --> 00:55:22.576
I told you to do that. So now you're going to

1198
00:55:22.592 --> 00:55:25.248
pay for my sins because I have to agree with these

1199
00:55:25.288 --> 00:55:25.868
guys.

1200
00:55:27.288 --> 00:55:28.468
Will: Yeah. Yeah.

1201
00:55:30.008 --> 00:55:32.880
Yep. I got it. Yeah. I don't. Yeah, I need your

1202
00:55:32.904 --> 00:55:33.584
swords.

1203
00:55:33.736 --> 00:55:36.472
Sarah : It's telling that then he immediately

1204
00:55:36.520 --> 00:55:39.200
goes into this vision with viserys and

1205
00:55:39.224 --> 00:55:41.888
viserys. Like, now that

1206
00:55:41.928 --> 00:55:44.712
you've experienced this side of things

1207
00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:47.348
where this power

1208
00:55:47.928 --> 00:55:50.256
leads you to actually kill

1209
00:55:50.352 --> 00:55:52.968
those allies for

1210
00:55:53.008 --> 00:55:55.904
political reasons. Like, it's not. Are you

1211
00:55:55.936 --> 00:55:58.792
sure this is what you want? I I really like

1212
00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:01.592
that. I feel like up until this

1213
00:56:01.640 --> 00:56:04.512
point, the visions. I agree, have been bit

1214
00:56:04.560 --> 00:56:07.508
like vision for Vision's sake.

1215
00:56:08.908 --> 00:56:11.900
Will: well, I think I disagree with you there. I mean, because

1216
00:56:12.004 --> 00:56:14.940
to your point, those earlier visions that

1217
00:56:14.964 --> 00:56:17.660
the payoff comes with what we, what

1218
00:56:17.684 --> 00:56:20.676
Damon experiences in this episode, which you

1219
00:56:20.692 --> 00:56:21.428
just shared.

1220
00:56:21.548 --> 00:56:23.168
Sarah : I don't know. I don't.

1221
00:56:24.748 --> 00:56:27.588
I don't think that that's true. I feel like

1222
00:56:27.628 --> 00:56:30.220
the payoff is

1223
00:56:30.324 --> 00:56:33.276
within the episode, that they occur because they're,

1224
00:56:33.332 --> 00:56:35.868
they and, and it's,

1225
00:56:35.988 --> 00:56:38.476
it. I don't think those visions

1226
00:56:38.572 --> 00:56:41.380
necessarily build up to this. I mean, all the

1227
00:56:41.404 --> 00:56:43.288
visions are, are a

1228
00:56:44.188 --> 00:56:46.700
visualization of the internal

1229
00:56:46.764 --> 00:56:49.250
demonstration that are going on,

1230
00:56:49.434 --> 00:56:51.978
this internal war that is happening within

1231
00:56:52.058 --> 00:56:54.958
him. partly under the

1232
00:56:55.078 --> 00:56:57.070
wizardy of Alice.

1233
00:56:57.214 --> 00:56:57.618
Will: Yeah.

1234
00:56:58.208 --> 00:57:01.200
Sarah : so it's basically like he's on

1235
00:57:01.224 --> 00:57:02.200
mushrooms.

1236
00:57:02.384 --> 00:57:02.864
Will: Yeah.

1237
00:57:02.936 --> 00:57:04.988
Sarah : And he's going through a grieving process.

1238
00:57:05.488 --> 00:57:06.588
Will: Yep. Yep.

1239
00:57:09.328 --> 00:57:12.184
Sarah : So I think what I was saying, what I was

1240
00:57:12.216 --> 00:57:14.762
trying to, articulate was

1241
00:57:14.890 --> 00:57:17.738
maybe not visions for vision's sake. But I felt

1242
00:57:17.778 --> 00:57:20.118
like they were getting a bit too long

1243
00:57:21.058 --> 00:57:23.158
and just a bit too,

1244
00:57:24.518 --> 00:57:26.018
kind of already knew that.

1245
00:57:27.358 --> 00:57:30.338
I don't really want to see you have sex with your dead mom.

1246
00:57:32.078 --> 00:57:33.778
Will: Yeah. That was much.

1247
00:57:34.838 --> 00:57:37.510
Sarah : I like how they revealed that at the very end. And,

1248
00:57:37.574 --> 00:57:40.416
like, now we'll let the viewers leave and it's just like, whoa.

1249
00:57:40.472 --> 00:57:43.392
What did I just spend five minutes watching. So

1250
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:45.258
I, like,

1251
00:57:46.318 --> 00:57:49.214
I. I'm glad that

1252
00:57:49.246 --> 00:57:52.078
we didn't spend too much time with Damon in this

1253
00:57:52.118 --> 00:57:54.518
episode just because I feel

1254
00:57:54.558 --> 00:57:57.294
like he's on such. He's been on such

1255
00:57:57.326 --> 00:57:59.298
a different story

1256
00:58:00.398 --> 00:58:03.398
that sometimes it takes me out

1257
00:58:03.438 --> 00:58:05.538
of what else is going on. But

1258
00:58:06.048 --> 00:58:08.508
arguably, this episode,

1259
00:58:08.968 --> 00:58:11.784
the person who. I

1260
00:58:11.816 --> 00:58:14.584
have no idea what was. I know what was

1261
00:58:14.616 --> 00:58:17.424
going on with her, but at the same time, I'm like, what are we

1262
00:58:17.456 --> 00:58:20.450
doing? What is happening here? why couldn't

1263
00:58:20.474 --> 00:58:23.318
you just let Olivia cook take the day off?

1264
00:58:25.588 --> 00:58:28.532
it's the whole cleaning of

1265
00:58:28.620 --> 00:58:31.236
Alicent, and it's. I don't know

1266
00:58:31.252 --> 00:58:34.052
if. If that was time well spent,

1267
00:58:34.180 --> 00:58:36.836
I think we could have spent time with some other characters,

1268
00:58:36.892 --> 00:58:39.876
like Bayla. Right.

1269
00:58:39.932 --> 00:58:41.808
Bayla, who's at the e.

1270
00:58:43.148 --> 00:58:45.540
We get Hugh.

1271
00:58:45.684 --> 00:58:48.532
Every. All of the male small folk

1272
00:58:48.660 --> 00:58:50.788
get a dragon before Baila. Okay.

1273
00:58:50.828 --> 00:58:51.428
Will: Yeah.

1274
00:58:51.588 --> 00:58:54.428
Sarah : Spoiler alert. Baila's gonna get the biggest one. But come on,

1275
00:58:54.548 --> 00:58:55.340
let's go.

1276
00:58:55.484 --> 00:58:58.210
Will: That's good. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

1277
00:58:58.364 --> 00:59:01.230
I agree with you with Allison. The funniest

1278
00:59:01.254 --> 00:59:03.558
thing about that, the scenes with Alicent was

1279
00:59:03.678 --> 00:59:06.612
whenever, Sarah, the night that was with there, I can't remember

1280
00:59:06.644 --> 00:59:09.192
his name, but, when I heard that

1281
00:59:09.224 --> 00:59:12.184
voice, I immediately thought of one piece because he

1282
00:59:12.200 --> 00:59:13.728
was Luffy's grandpa.

1283
00:59:13.912 --> 00:59:16.592
Sarah : Oh, smart. Yeah. I did not.

1284
00:59:16.664 --> 00:59:19.384
I totally have not. Which

1285
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:21.096
they've started filming.

1286
00:59:21.256 --> 00:59:22.152
Will: Yeah. Yeah.

1287
00:59:22.264 --> 00:59:22.880
Sarah : Season two.

1288
00:59:22.928 --> 00:59:25.850
Will: So, yeah, yeah, I heard that voice. I

1289
00:59:25.858 --> 00:59:28.786
was like, that voice is so familiar that I, like, I did go. I

1290
00:59:28.786 --> 00:59:31.692
was like, I think that's the guy from, one. One piece. And sure enough,

1291
00:59:31.764 --> 00:59:34.556
I look with IMDb, and it was. But I digress. But

1292
00:59:34.676 --> 00:59:37.612
I agree, honestly, that's. That's shows you how

1293
00:59:37.644 --> 00:59:40.076
much I was invested with what was going on with Allison this

1294
00:59:40.116 --> 00:59:40.896
episode.

1295
00:59:41.876 --> 00:59:44.740
Sarah : You and me both. I was like, Allison

1296
00:59:44.828 --> 00:59:47.788
has been. Has been so interesting to

1297
00:59:47.812 --> 00:59:50.386
me throughout this season. but. But this was

1298
00:59:50.426 --> 00:59:53.410
not. This was like, why?

1299
00:59:53.498 --> 00:59:55.526
And it's. And it's.

1300
00:59:56.186 --> 00:59:58.130
It's not because of Larry cook. It's.

1301
00:59:58.218 --> 00:59:58.858
Will: No, no.

1302
00:59:58.962 --> 01:00:01.594
Sarah : You. You also. The. The rats. Like,

1303
01:00:01.650 --> 01:00:03.766
all that was cool. But

1304
01:00:04.466 --> 01:00:07.434
when you have a section like

1305
01:00:07.490 --> 01:00:10.450
this, all I can think

1306
01:00:10.498 --> 01:00:13.306
about is, especially as we continue

1307
01:00:13.386 --> 01:00:15.778
to just get taunted with this dance of the

1308
01:00:15.802 --> 01:00:17.406
dragons, is,

1309
01:00:19.026 --> 01:00:21.406
can't we spend it with some other characters?

1310
01:00:21.706 --> 01:00:22.806
Will: Yeah. Yeah.

1311
01:00:24.906 --> 01:00:27.882
Sarah : There are, because there's some really interesting things going

1312
01:00:27.914 --> 01:00:30.602
on, especially on team green. I mean,

1313
01:00:30.794 --> 01:00:31.846
Aegon.

1314
01:00:33.276 --> 01:00:35.756
Aegon this, Aegon and Lars,

1315
01:00:35.876 --> 01:00:38.780
which to kind of go back a little

1316
01:00:38.828 --> 01:00:41.812
bit, to my whole point about the bastards and

1317
01:00:41.844 --> 01:00:42.416
those

1318
01:00:44.426 --> 01:00:47.126
disabled individuals. I mean,

1319
01:00:47.346 --> 01:00:49.938
m he's not technically

1320
01:00:50.002 --> 01:00:52.562
disabled, but Tyrion

1321
01:00:52.594 --> 01:00:55.246
Lannister, one of the most popular

1322
01:00:56.066 --> 01:00:58.114
characters in all of Game of Thrones.

1323
01:00:58.290 --> 01:00:59.194
Okay.

1324
01:00:59.370 --> 01:01:00.126
Will: Yep.

1325
01:01:00.506 --> 01:01:03.466
Sarah : Midget. And yet. And

1326
01:01:03.506 --> 01:01:05.890
now we have Lars, who Lars

1327
01:01:05.978 --> 01:01:08.684
is not. I'm, not comparing

1328
01:01:08.756 --> 01:01:11.716
him to Tyrion at all, but at the same

1329
01:01:11.772 --> 01:01:14.556
time, he's handicapped

1330
01:01:14.692 --> 01:01:17.328
and now he's kind of,

1331
01:01:18.838 --> 01:01:21.118
I don't know if this is the right word, but

1332
01:01:21.198 --> 01:01:24.142
grooming Aegon and

1333
01:01:24.190 --> 01:01:26.538
trying to get him up and going

1334
01:01:27.718 --> 01:01:30.544
because they can be allies, against

1335
01:01:30.656 --> 01:01:33.392
aemond. And it's. And there's some

1336
01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:36.016
interesting things happening there. But I also

1337
01:01:36.112 --> 01:01:39.006
wondered if I find that

1338
01:01:39.102 --> 01:01:41.686
that's appealing because they're, they're

1339
01:01:41.742 --> 01:01:44.734
telling it at the right pace. We're not

1340
01:01:44.766 --> 01:01:47.422
getting too much, but we're also not getting too little.

1341
01:01:47.590 --> 01:01:50.518
Will: Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

1342
01:01:50.558 --> 01:01:53.454
the rehab that he was, that he's been doing with a gun.

1343
01:01:53.408 --> 01:01:55.548
and especially when. When

1344
01:01:56.368 --> 01:01:58.664
we're seeing that happen, but then also

1345
01:01:58.736 --> 01:02:01.028
whenever they learn about,

1346
01:02:01.338 --> 01:02:04.190
Adam taking sea

1347
01:02:04.214 --> 01:02:07.006
smoke and a whole conversation and

1348
01:02:07.022 --> 01:02:09.822
so, and I love the way they played that scene because on the one

1349
01:02:09.870 --> 01:02:11.298
hand, it was sort of like,

1350
01:02:12.518 --> 01:02:15.138
is. Was Laris like,

1351
01:02:15.678 --> 01:02:18.630
not, you know, it was like the game of telephone. Whenever the

1352
01:02:18.654 --> 01:02:21.526
guy was telling me about it, he was like, but.

1353
01:02:21.582 --> 01:02:24.550
Or, you know, so was Laris like, didn't want to tell

1354
01:02:24.614 --> 01:02:27.390
amen about it because he just didn't trust it.

1355
01:02:27.494 --> 01:02:30.274
Or to your, you know, to. What we're just

1356
01:02:30.306 --> 01:02:33.266
discussing was he's, you know, because he is helping

1357
01:02:33.322 --> 01:02:36.210
Aegon rehabilitate from

1358
01:02:36.234 --> 01:02:38.906
his injuries. He doesn't

1359
01:02:38.962 --> 01:02:41.394
want a man to know. So that if, by some

1360
01:02:41.426 --> 01:02:44.238
chance they are out there on the field of battle,

1361
01:02:44.858 --> 01:02:47.626
aemon may get slain by, you

1362
01:02:47.642 --> 01:02:50.402
know, the increasing number of

1363
01:02:50.450 --> 01:02:51.758
dragons on team black.

1364
01:02:52.218 --> 01:02:55.006
Sarah : Well, a gun or a mandev,

1365
01:02:55.092 --> 01:02:57.802
he at this point is

1366
01:02:57.850 --> 01:02:59.794
thinking he still has the advantage.

1367
01:02:59.906 --> 01:03:00.498
Will: Yeah.

1368
01:03:00.498 --> 01:03:03.144
Sarah : which, which, and I agree with you,

1369
01:03:04.044 --> 01:03:06.744
that scene was well executed because

1370
01:03:07.804 --> 01:03:10.340
you can't. Nobody fully

1371
01:03:10.412 --> 01:03:13.388
knows except for the writers and the showrunner

1372
01:03:13.516 --> 01:03:16.254
and the actor. but nobody else,

1373
01:03:17.834 --> 01:03:20.754
the viewers are left questioning,

1374
01:03:22.134 --> 01:03:25.134
questioning if Lars believes it or not. And

1375
01:03:25.214 --> 01:03:27.774
I agree, that's. That's a very well

1376
01:03:27.854 --> 01:03:30.086
acted scene. And written too.

1377
01:03:30.230 --> 01:03:30.804
Will: Yeah.

1378
01:03:32.454 --> 01:03:35.034
Sarah : I don't. Because I don't even know. Coming

1379
01:03:35.374 --> 01:03:38.070
about like, hm. Because at

1380
01:03:38.102 --> 01:03:41.046
first he's like, But then when he figures out it's

1381
01:03:41.070 --> 01:03:43.942
the game of telephone, it's like, I

1382
01:03:43.958 --> 01:03:44.714
don't know,

1383
01:03:47.894 --> 01:03:50.684
like, it's a hard thing to know, to

1384
01:03:50.724 --> 01:03:53.492
believe unless you. Until

1385
01:03:53.548 --> 01:03:56.452
you see it and then you get the shot of off

1386
01:03:56.548 --> 01:03:59.500
coming in on silverwing, which initially I was

1387
01:03:59.532 --> 01:04:02.500
like, off, you freaking idiot. Like, you're

1388
01:04:02.532 --> 01:04:05.372
telling me you managed to find yourself

1389
01:04:05.428 --> 01:04:08.244
with the dragon and you go to King's Landing

1390
01:04:08.404 --> 01:04:11.260
also? Yet this episode just proved

1391
01:04:11.292 --> 01:04:14.228
a complaint I've had since. What episode?

1392
01:04:14.276 --> 01:04:17.138
One. Like, why are these two

1393
01:04:17.186 --> 01:04:18.654
places so close together?

1394
01:04:19.074 --> 01:04:21.494
Will: Yeah, yeah. I've Scene

1395
01:04:21.874 --> 01:04:24.722
they are relatively close because I know we, because even, like, with

1396
01:04:24.738 --> 01:04:27.322
the plan of getting the small

1397
01:04:27.378 --> 01:04:30.322
folk when they put the call out to, to

1398
01:04:30.498 --> 01:04:33.482
the target ambassadors to go to Dragonstone,

1399
01:04:33.578 --> 01:04:36.482
you know, Alan was a part of that. You know, they did a

1400
01:04:36.498 --> 01:04:39.274
quick little shot there of him helping to execute that

1401
01:04:39.314 --> 01:04:42.266
plan. So it's just like, yeah, you know, and, you know, with

1402
01:04:42.290 --> 01:04:45.044
the boats, you know, I do,

1403
01:04:45.624 --> 01:04:48.594
I know dragonstone and kings landing are relative

1404
01:04:48.674 --> 01:04:51.642
neighbors, but, you know, I need to look at a map of westeros to

1405
01:04:51.658 --> 01:04:54.466
see, like, the scale because I've Scene things. I've Scene

1406
01:04:54.490 --> 01:04:57.482
people say anything from like 50 miles to, like, to 400.

1407
01:04:57.538 --> 01:04:59.334
So I don't know.

1408
01:04:59.794 --> 01:05:01.294
Sarah : Yeah, yeah.

1409
01:05:02.024 --> 01:05:04.960
Will: those listeners, if you have a, if you could, like, point us

1410
01:05:04.992 --> 01:05:07.804
out to a good source that tells,

1411
01:05:08.030 --> 01:05:10.790
us how far they are in relation apart

1412
01:05:10.822 --> 01:05:13.294
from in relation to one another, we would greatly appreciate

1413
01:05:13.334 --> 01:05:13.914
that.

1414
01:05:14.454 --> 01:05:17.350
Sarah : Yeah. What were your thoughts

1415
01:05:17.382 --> 01:05:20.052
when he saw Ulf, take silverwing to

1416
01:05:20.148 --> 01:05:20.984
Kingsley?

1417
01:05:22.084 --> 01:05:23.824
Will: That probably would have been me.

1418
01:05:25.564 --> 01:05:28.236
Sarah : I mean, in his defense, he can't really

1419
01:05:28.300 --> 01:05:28.980
drive.

1420
01:05:29.132 --> 01:05:32.116
Will: He can't drive. He just hit the lottery, you

1421
01:05:32.140 --> 01:05:35.006
know? especially because, because, you know, because he

1422
01:05:35.030 --> 01:05:37.806
even. What I liked about it was he, whenever

1423
01:05:37.870 --> 01:05:40.576
they were in King's Landing and they were all sitting in a

1424
01:05:40.630 --> 01:05:43.372
are, he was started to doubt, you

1425
01:05:43.388 --> 01:05:46.036
know, he was questioning whether or not

1426
01:05:46.180 --> 01:05:48.908
he even, like, was

1427
01:05:48.956 --> 01:05:51.774
a targaryen, you know,

1428
01:05:51.854 --> 01:05:54.742
bastard. And, and, and so

1429
01:05:54.878 --> 01:05:57.862
whenever he, whenever the whole scene with the

1430
01:05:57.878 --> 01:06:00.732
whole red sewing, played out. So I guess anything who

1431
01:06:00.748 --> 01:06:03.692
has read in their title, I guess expect a lot of,

1432
01:06:03.868 --> 01:06:06.460
expect a lot of death in dramatic

1433
01:06:06.492 --> 01:06:08.294
fashion, with this show.

1434
01:06:09.744 --> 01:06:12.640
whenever that all went down in the, in the hold

1435
01:06:12.752 --> 01:06:14.404
with, Verma, Thor,

1436
01:06:15.734 --> 01:06:18.470
and then he, like, falls down and, you know, comes

1437
01:06:18.502 --> 01:06:21.354
across, silverwing. That,

1438
01:06:21.304 --> 01:06:24.024
yeah, it. I like the way they

1439
01:06:24.144 --> 01:06:27.024
did that. And then his reaction of just like, I'm just going to take a joy

1440
01:06:27.064 --> 01:06:29.514
ride with this thing. was, was,

1441
01:06:29.854 --> 01:06:32.822
was what? Like I said, it's something I would do if I, if I hit

1442
01:06:32.838 --> 01:06:34.930
the lottery. Like one dragon.

1443
01:06:35.022 --> 01:06:37.474
Sarah : Yeah, I. I'm just a

1444
01:06:37.514 --> 01:06:40.466
question. because at the end, like, Aemond does

1445
01:06:40.506 --> 01:06:43.104
fly out after him, and comes upon

1446
01:06:43.152 --> 01:06:46.080
dragonstone and you have Rhaena already standing out

1447
01:06:46.120 --> 01:06:48.720
there. And to me, I think the

1448
01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:51.632
intent is to let. Leave the viewers with. No, that

1449
01:06:51.656 --> 01:06:54.168
was an intentional joyride.

1450
01:06:54.344 --> 01:06:56.700
Will: Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I don't think it was.

1451
01:06:57.000 --> 01:06:59.766
Sarah : Yeah, I knew there was something on her face,

1452
01:06:59.888 --> 01:07:02.802
like, she. She was not just standing out there for

1453
01:07:02.826 --> 01:07:05.746
the sake of it. No, she. She knew,

1454
01:07:05.858 --> 01:07:08.256
like, to me, because they also had

1455
01:07:08.448 --> 01:07:11.072
another dragon, like, multiple dragons

1456
01:07:11.136 --> 01:07:12.984
behind. Behind her.

1457
01:07:13.152 --> 01:07:13.568
Will: Yeah.

1458
01:07:13.624 --> 01:07:16.224
Sarah : I don't know. It was. It felt more like,

1459
01:07:16.312 --> 01:07:19.296
oh, you came here. That's nice. I got a few

1460
01:07:19.328 --> 01:07:21.128
of these now, so.

1461
01:07:21.304 --> 01:07:24.000
Will: Yeah, yeah, you're right. That could.

1462
01:07:24.120 --> 01:07:27.072
It very well could have been planned. You're right. But. I know, but it's

1463
01:07:27.096 --> 01:07:29.704
funny with that scene, too, because when Aben

1464
01:07:29.752 --> 01:07:32.254
saw those other dragons standing there,

1465
01:07:32.302 --> 01:07:34.894
dragonstone. And he was, you

1466
01:07:34.902 --> 01:07:37.494
know, he had to, like,

1467
01:07:37.622 --> 01:07:40.622
really, really pull veigar back, because Veigar is like, fuck it,

1468
01:07:40.646 --> 01:07:43.252
I'm. I'm going in. I will upgrade it to do some

1469
01:07:43.276 --> 01:07:45.906
chomping. And. And, Aemond was like, that was the first

1470
01:07:45.946 --> 01:07:48.650
time, I think. I don't think we've Scene a man

1471
01:07:48.698 --> 01:07:51.546
actually have fear in his eyes like

1472
01:07:51.586 --> 01:07:54.415
that. in the two. In the two seasons that we've. We've

1473
01:07:54.447 --> 01:07:57.173
known this character. I mean, he was legit.

1474
01:07:57.221 --> 01:07:59.877
Like, we got. It was like, peace out. We got to get out of

1475
01:07:59.893 --> 01:08:00.781
here, Morgan.

1476
01:08:00.805 --> 01:08:03.651
Sarah : So, I would have agreed with you, but I

1477
01:08:03.675 --> 01:08:06.419
did see a tweet go out that

1478
01:08:06.499 --> 01:08:09.267
had a shot of Aemond and how he looked

1479
01:08:09.323 --> 01:08:12.275
after he killed Luke versus a man, and

1480
01:08:12.307 --> 01:08:15.265
how he looked after he, tried to

1481
01:08:15.297 --> 01:08:16.385
kill Aegon.

1482
01:08:16.537 --> 01:08:19.457
Will: Yeah, but I think when he killed. When he killed Luke, I

1483
01:08:19.473 --> 01:08:22.331
don't think it was fear. I think it was just like. It

1484
01:08:22.355 --> 01:08:25.011
was more like, oh, crap, what have I done?

1485
01:08:25.155 --> 01:08:28.115
Sarah : Well, to me, that's like, a little bit of fear. I mean, like,

1486
01:08:28.147 --> 01:08:29.799
the fear of what you've done.

1487
01:08:30.099 --> 01:08:32.379
Will: Well, yeah, I mean, I can see that.

1488
01:08:32.419 --> 01:08:35.339
Sarah : Anyway, like. Like, my. My point. Point

1489
01:08:35.419 --> 01:08:38.339
being is, like, I saw those,

1490
01:08:38.419 --> 01:08:41.243
so. So I don't know if it's the first time.

1491
01:08:41.411 --> 01:08:41.969
Will: Yeah.

1492
01:08:41.969 --> 01:08:44.809
Sarah : that we've actually Scene fear. I think it's been a while, though.

1493
01:08:44.849 --> 01:08:47.585
I don't think. I think maybe this is the first time in season

1494
01:08:47.657 --> 01:08:50.409
two, but I think that he just.

1495
01:08:51.629 --> 01:08:54.437
He's like his uncle. He doesn't

1496
01:08:54.493 --> 01:08:56.765
understand the crown.

1497
01:08:56.917 --> 01:08:57.365
Will: Yeah.

1498
01:08:57.899 --> 01:09:00.539
Sarah : and. And. But

1499
01:09:00.683 --> 01:09:03.447
it's also not like Rhaenyra does, too,

1500
01:09:03.867 --> 01:09:04.419
right?

1501
01:09:04.523 --> 01:09:07.515
Will: Oh, no, she's. I think

1502
01:09:07.531 --> 01:09:09.287
she's. But we've Scene her mature

1503
01:09:10.147 --> 01:09:12.299
into it better. You know, I think

1504
01:09:12.323 --> 01:09:14.971
she's. You know, she has her

1505
01:09:15.059 --> 01:09:17.799
kitchen cabinet with Messaria, as her

1506
01:09:17.831 --> 01:09:19.163
hand to help her.

1507
01:09:20.103 --> 01:09:21.843
Sarah : Masari isn't her hand.

1508
01:09:23.223 --> 01:09:26.055
Will: Cordless is her official hand. But then she has, like, what I mean by

1509
01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:28.727
kitchen cabinet. It's like the people. You know, the.

1510
01:09:28.855 --> 01:09:31.735
It's like she may not be. She can't sit at the council table, but

1511
01:09:31.759 --> 01:09:34.751
she's just as much an advisor, more. So I think she's more

1512
01:09:34.767 --> 01:09:37.639
of an advisor than her. Than her counsel at this point.

1513
01:09:37.831 --> 01:09:39.563
Sarah : Yeah. I just feel like

1514
01:09:40.273 --> 01:09:42.945
friendships like those have gotten Rhaenyra in

1515
01:09:42.969 --> 01:09:45.953
trouble in the past, being of royal court.

1516
01:09:46.033 --> 01:09:48.969
So I don't. I

1517
01:09:49.001 --> 01:09:51.721
agree she's maturing and she's

1518
01:09:51.777 --> 01:09:53.613
better than Ayman, but

1519
01:09:58.113 --> 01:10:00.093
I don't know if she,

1520
01:10:02.153 --> 01:10:04.889
is fully prepared for the crown either. And I think.

1521
01:10:05.001 --> 01:10:07.457
I think that's what they've subtly done this season

1522
01:10:07.545 --> 01:10:10.413
is a lot of Rhaenyra's

1523
01:10:11.753 --> 01:10:14.329
struggle, is mirrored

1524
01:10:14.481 --> 01:10:16.929
because of her struggle in her

1525
01:10:16.961 --> 01:10:19.193
marriage to her

1526
01:10:19.233 --> 01:10:19.973
uncle.

1527
01:10:22.273 --> 01:10:23.813
Yeah, I would agree with that,

1528
01:10:24.593 --> 01:10:27.513
man. You know, maybe this is just

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an incest thing, like. And that's why

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they can't trust those of the main

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01:10:33.187 --> 01:10:35.979
bloodline, because the main bloodline, it's all,

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you know, like it's inner. Anyway, I'm not going to

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go any further.

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The families who don't incest, they don't seem to have this

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01:10:44.759 --> 01:10:47.519
problem. Okay. They don't breed and they don't have this

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problem.

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Will: Yeah. A little more stability

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there.

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Sarah : Yeah.

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01:10:55.287 --> 01:10:55.983
Will: Yeah.

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Sarah : All right. anything else about

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01:10:59.703 --> 01:11:02.439
the penultimate episode of season

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two?

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Will: no, just, there. Nothing about the episode. But

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there was another release,

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01:11:09.093 --> 01:11:12.029
of scenes, for the

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01:11:12.093 --> 01:11:15.073
finale that was. I guess there was a, making

1548
01:11:15.105 --> 01:11:17.929
her way around social media. So be careful. I think

1549
01:11:17.953 --> 01:11:20.545
HBO is working hard to get them

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struck stricken from, like, all of. All the various

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01:11:23.379 --> 01:11:26.331
platforms. But, yeah, if you don't want to

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01:11:26.339 --> 01:11:29.005
get spoiled, then don't, you

1553
01:11:29.021 --> 01:11:31.869
know, be very, very careful as you tread

1554
01:11:31.893 --> 01:11:34.533
on TikTok or Facebook

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01:11:34.645 --> 01:11:37.417
or, you know, whatever social media platform of choice.

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01:11:38.837 --> 01:11:41.749
Sarah : You've had your warning. Now we'll tell

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our listeners where they can find you.

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01:11:43.933 --> 01:11:46.829
Will: Yes, you can find me on X, formally

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01:11:46.853 --> 01:11:49.093
known as Twitter, at ah will and Polk

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willmmpolk.

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Sarah : And you can find me there, too, at Sj Belmont

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01:11:54.867 --> 01:11:57.587
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