⚔️ House of the Dragon S2 Finale: Epic Conclusion or Disappointment? ⚔️

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>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is standard m Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with me, as

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always, is our mister producer, will polk. How are you doing tonight,

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will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How are you doing this evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm doing good. we both have

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had very interesting weeks, so.

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And it just keeps going. And,

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we're gonna start off tonight by making the announcement

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that we are putting a pause on

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recording for pretty much the rest of

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the month. due to scheduling, travel,

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and personal things. So, we'll

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return on August

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27 to break down Cobra

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kai and whatever else happens.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yep.

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>> Sarah : Whatever else we watch, you know?

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>> Will: Whatever. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

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Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Like, tickles are fancy during that time. Who

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knows?

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. But I've been seeing, like, I've been. I've been thinking

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about checking out Batman, Cape Crusader.

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and also supercell is another one I'm

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thinking about during our, during our break

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catching. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I try not to plant. Like,

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I just. Because I know

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if I. If I go into the break thinking, oh,

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I'm gonna watch this, this and this. I'm not gonna watch any of

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it.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : It's just something about it. I'm not gonna watch any of

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it.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : but. But, you know, and then sometimes

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I don't want to. I don't want to make any promises. I'm not gonna make any promises. And

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I'm gonna watch. I mean, I'm making the

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promise. I'm gonna watch Cobra Kai, and I'm gonna be honest with

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you. I can't remember if I actually finished the

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season before this one.

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>> Will: I think we did. but it was definitely one of those things

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where we finished it and we quickly talked

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and we quickly moved on.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. We are,

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like, very much glad to wrap

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this up, but this is only the first half of the last

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season. Am I correct?

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>> Will: That's correct.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. So that's annoying. Okay. Like,

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cobra Kai and should have ended season two,

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maybe season three, maybe, maybe. I.

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Frankly, it just went downhill, and I

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feel like we just keep going down, and so I'm not. I'm

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not entirely excited about watching

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this, but I just want to put a

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bow on it. Okay. I just want to put a bow on it and send it

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off. plus,

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between now and when Penguin and

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Agatha all along comes up, will

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and I have to put our heads together and figure out what else.

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>> Will: Yep. Oh, there's. There's

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gonna be a few things, but. Yeah. Well, we will. We will

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share our recording and

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scheduling plans with you also. Beast

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so enjoyed a couple weeks off and we plan on doing

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so. And we'll be back recharged and, we'll blow through

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Cobra Kai. And then we'll start with September. We'll

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have Penguin and. And

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Agatha and whatever else we, What else strikes our

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fancy.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. But it won't be until next year when we get last of

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us. Season two.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: I know with the, House of the dragon finale this

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week, they had the, little Max

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teaser what's. What's to come, on that service in the

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future. And. Yeah. saw the little, I guess,

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some of the early footage from. From season two. Early

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2025 is when apparently it's going

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to drop on. On the platform. But,

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yeah, it's. It's be here before we know it.

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>> Sarah : When? In 2025.

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>> Will: It just said early 2025.

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>> Sarah : Okay. Was in January.

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So I'm very curious. So I.

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I guess I watched it. Frankly, I don't

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really remember it, but I feel like I already watched

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the trailer for season two because I've already watched people play

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through the game of season two, so I know what happens.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I think. I think Bill

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Druckman and Craig did say they were going to stretch some

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things out, though, because I think it did get renewed to four

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third season as well.

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>> Sarah : You know, it makes sense.

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and I have a feeling. I know.

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Depend.

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>> Will: Yeah, I know. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : There could be. There could be a point,

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but we'll see. I know that

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just because. And they did a very good job of this in

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season one. Like, I was not bored

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during season one at all,

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even though I knew what was going, like, where things were

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leading, the way they took

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the right stuff away from the game

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and put it in the show and they left behind

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the stuff that wasn't necessary.

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So I have

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strong, hope for this, and, I don't.

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So here's a little tease about our discussion later

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on. I don't think this second season will

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disappoint me as much as House of Dragons season

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two.

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>> Will: Oh, okay. Well, let's put a pin in that. M

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these other two items.

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>> Sarah : Well, yeah, but the other two items are House of dragons.

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So there we go. Because

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also part of this little teaser for

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Max, was, shots of a

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knight of the seven kingdoms, which is another Game of Thrones spin

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off. so we'll be, of course, checking

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that out when it comes out. Is that coming out

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next year?

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>> Will: Yeah, that that will be coming out next year. And it's set

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a hundred years before the events. House of, Game of

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Thrones throughout the timeline.

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Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Jesus Christ. Okay.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : and so any word on

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the Jon Snow spinoff? Is

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that.

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>> Will: Yeah, I think that

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one is on still. Maybe

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it's either in development or it has

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been canceled. I'm not sure. I know I've

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Scene. I saw some things

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floating around Internet about, another house of the

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dragon game of Thrones spin off, but,

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I cannot remember right off top of my head. So maybe while we're

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recording, I'll quickly google it and find out.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Because I felt like there was progress, and

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then I think the strike happened and now it's.

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It's not being talked about. But honestly, there.

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There has been a lot of Game of Thrones spin offs that

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were announced and then never came to

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fruition. Like, I'm surprised we're at House of Dragons

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season two.

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>> Will: Yeah, it was like, what, seven at one point was getting to. It was

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getting into, like, the Star wars?

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>> Sarah : yeah, yeah, it was pretty

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bad.

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>> Will: Yeah. And. Yeah. And to confirm, and

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I'm looking at two. Two reputable sources, but

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variety, which is a trade, in

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April of this year, the Game of

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Thrones Jon Snow spinoff is no longer in

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development.

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>> Sarah : Okay. Okay. That is a good

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thing. I love Jon Snow,

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but I don't think the

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zeitgeist is ready for that to go into the

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future while we're still trying to clean up

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the past of westeros.

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and speaking about House of dragons, season three

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will start filming early next year and we'll

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conclude eventually with season

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four. So they're stretching this out

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another two seasons.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : So will, like, the war actually happen in

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season four or.

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>> Will: no, season three. So the showrunner

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was very, very clear that the

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show, the battles, the battle of the gullet and all that stuff

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will. Will, finally happen in

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season. Season three.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. I heard, like, the writers room

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have come out and said, like, they

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were. They. They were officially for. From

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what I understand, and will correct me if I'm wrong,

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but it sounds like originally it was supposed to be ten

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episode season, and then they got told, you

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gotta shove it down to eight for some reason.

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Probably because of money.

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>> Will: That was. That was the reason. It was budget. Budget.

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>> Sarah : And strikes aren't cheap. Dragons aren't cheap. That's

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why Game of Thrones, like, you only saw so

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much of Daenerys and her dragon

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throughout the season. They ain't treat.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : so, so I understand that. I understand

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that. That's not necessarily my complaint about

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this episode or this season. But,

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to start on a more positive note, we're

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going to let Will talk and share his overall

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thoughts about this season finale.

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>> Will: All right? So yes, house of the Dragons, season

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two, episode eight, the queen that ever

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was, season finale. And

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yes, I know there's a lot

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of discussion and feelings about

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this episode. I feel. I think I'm probably in the

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minority, but I actually really, not only did

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I think it was a good episode, but I really thought it was a good season

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finale. I did, and I watched it

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twice. It just to make sure I wasn't

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like prisoner of the moment, but, Or,

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you know, having

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just feelings of recency, bias or whatever.

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Whenever, whenever I watched it the first time.

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And you know, I know people say it was

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underwhelming. I don't, I don't think.

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And maybe it's just how, I don't, you know, it's personal. You know,

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everything's personal preference. I completely understand

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why people thought it was underwhelming. And

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I know we'll, you know, I know we'll discuss your

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thoughts about that here this evening.

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And, and, and yes, there was a lot

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of setup and this whole season was, was set up.

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But, you know, to me, it felt like

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I kind of looked at it through like the lens

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as I looked through like Star Trek the next Generation,

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the best of both worlds. One of the

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seminal episodes of

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Star Trek, one of the. Whenever people hold up

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cliffhangers as far as like

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cliffhangers that like make you just,

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just can't wait for the next thing.

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that to me, that was how I felt about this episode

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where we, you know, and that

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in Star Trek Next Generation, we had Picard

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adopted a spoiler alert. Picard is adopted

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by the Borg. Riker is looking at

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him as lacutus on the bridge, Borg ship

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and Rikers on the Enterprise. And he is, you know,

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we get that scene where he's like

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fire.

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>> Will: As far as. And so,

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and then it cuts off. And that's how I felt like with this episode. Like,

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you know, we had the montage of everybody coming

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together, all these armies, because it takes time to

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like build up a, armies,

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and all the things. And so all

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the steps that we've had all through the

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prior seven episodes to me, led to this moment.

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So that when we got the finale there and we got

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the final shot of Rhaenyra, we know what the

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scrolls and stuff there in Dragonstone and

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Alison looking out to the,

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over, over the bay, I

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was like. And it went to cut the black. I was

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like. That nightmare reaction

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was like, wow. I was like. I

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was really, really. I bought it. I was

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like, this. This is great. it set me up

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for the anticipation for, like, the actual

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battle that's coming. And this is before I knew any of the things about

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the, you know, the budget and all those things for reasons

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why it didn't go there. But

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I. It was almost like, in another thing, it

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reminded, I felt also like another, like,

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situation like this where you had a lot of lead up to it

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with Infinity War. I know I'm using other properties to, like,

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give you, you know, analysis.

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>> Sarah : But that's fair. That's fair.

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>> Will: Yeah, that's. That's how I felt about it.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Because I can say how they're different.

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>> Will: Yeah, I know. I mean, they're different, but, I mean. But I think there was a lot of

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lead up and stuff. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : like, I'll, like, I'll let you finish.

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>> Will: Yeah. I mean, I think there was just. I

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mean, to the point where, you know, because there were.

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Yes, there was a lot more action and stuff, obviously, with, like, for

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example, with the MCU. But I mean, but it's. To

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me, it's. The analogy for me is you

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had a lot of setup in those

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prior films that led you to that moment with Infinity

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War and the, big battle there within game. when

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we get the conclusion of it that feels very similar

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to this where we had we all.

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I will, you know, I will stipulate that this was a lot of setup.

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good payoff with battle that

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will hit our

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expectations in that third season.

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So that's. That's a sort of over thoughts?

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>> Sarah : Yeah. So correct me if I'm wrong. You

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never watched Sons of Anarchy, right?

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>> Will: I did not.

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>> Sarah : Okay. I watched that entire show. And for listeners

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who also watched that entire show, you know what? I'm gonna

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complain about the freaking montage.

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I have montage PTSD to

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this day from watching Sons of Anarchy. Do not

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put montage in an episode. I will

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just be mad. I hate them.

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Okay? Sons of Anarchy ruined all.

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Like, I used to love montages, and then I

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watched that show, and I hate montages because they're just so

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lame, in my opinion. And it's just, I'm just

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like, oh, so we're just going to go slow motion

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watching people do stuff like the big build

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up and we're not gonna see the next season for, like, two and

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a half years? Forsaken.

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It's just so frustrating for me. And I

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would agree with you, but I

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know how far out the next season is. I mean,

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like infinity war, you watch that,

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and that actually is a cliffhanger. I don't. I don't

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agree that this is a cliffhanger because,

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honestly, the whole season two is

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a cliffhanger of season one.

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If you're really thinking about it,

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like, yeah,

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season has been a cliffhanger of

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season one because you, as, soon as Luke dies,

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you're like, oh, shit. Oh, shit.

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And then this season two has been. And I

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understand it. Like, you,

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Like, if you go back and listen to some of

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my thoughts on some of the early episodes, I'm totally

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team black. And there was a point where I'm like, this is just

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unfair, okay? I don't like this. I feel like we're on the

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losing side, and I don't like we're going. And

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so they had to stretch it so. Well, not stretch.

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use this time to get Rhaenyra

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into a point where you

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could actually see there being a good battle.

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I m just. I don't.

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The way they did it

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from start to finish,

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for me, I was not entertained.

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just. I think this is a

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good show. It's fine. I. But

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I just. There's. And

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I'm. This is my disclaimer. I am

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totally comparing this to season one.

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Season one, in my opinion, is leaps and bounds

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better season two. And it's just really

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hard for me not to because I was so obsessed

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with how that all played out. And I thought the

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tension, I thought the characters, like, honestly,

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one of the best moments of this finale

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is when we get another Allison and Rhaenyra

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scene. But that, to me,

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also just kind of

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illustrates why I had so much

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issue with the season, because

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they were apart for most of it,

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except for these few moments when,

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again, it also is just

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like, I'm glad they're in a scene together. But

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seriously, why is it so easy for these two

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to begin scenes together? It's

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just. It's just not. I'm like, that's

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literally the queen mother who's just like,

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I'm gonna take a hop over to Dragonstone.

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I'm just gonna skip on over here and nobody's gonna find out.

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It's just. There's. There's some flaws here that I'm

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just. I'm just. It rolls my eyes. And then even

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Damon and Rhaenyra like, they were

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apart, like these characters.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I almost feel like what

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made season one so good is it was so

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zoned in on this one family,

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and it. And it just. The world felt small,

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the story felt small, and

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then they expanded this season,

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and, I don't know

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if necessarily how it

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expanded. Like, really.

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I don't know. There's just something missing, because I keep

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now thinking about Game of Thrones and Game of Thrones.

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My God, that world was huge. You could only

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spend so much. You have an hour, an hour

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and a half, maybe episode, and you have five

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to six different families and lineage

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and history and all of this stuff. But

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that show started that way, and this

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show, it started more

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honed, and now it's trying to expand, and. I don't know,

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it's just. Those are my few

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first thoughts about, that I wanted to

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share.

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>> Will: Okay. Yeah. Well,

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I agree with you

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that what did

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help make season one stand out and,

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is the pairings. I mean, Alice and Rhaenyra

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there, their story. And, you know,

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and I think what the way, you

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know, basically that is the

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structure of this show is. Is

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those two. I mean, we. You know, because I remember

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our discussions early on what that was something that we felt was

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missing, and we finally did get that scene

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in the. Was a third episode where they were out

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where Rhaenyra, you know, went to.

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Yeah. and

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two or three, the clandestine mission to.

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And they had their discussion there. So. Yeah.

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Yeah. I mean, they probably had all told as far as to screen

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time together this season, probably, what, ten minutes, 15

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minutes max.

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>> Sarah : I'm glad that you brought up that scene, though, early on this

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season, because this last scene, the.

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You. You could see the roles have shifted.

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>> Will: Yes.

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>> Sarah : Because now you have Rhaenyra. Looking at

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Alison is like, what are you gonna have me do?

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Like. Yeah, you like

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you. And I just. I wanted her to say. You said it

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yourself,

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like, let's go back, I don't know, a week or

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so.

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>> Will: Let's go back a few weeks and. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Like, there,

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it's just the chemistry between Emma D'Arcy

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and Olivia Cook. I mean, that scene,

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I. I think even more so than the scene

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early on between them in the church.

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Like, the scene in the finale

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is just a masterclass in acting.

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>> Will: Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And then they ruined it and undercut it by having a

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freaking montage.

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>> Will: Yeah, I don't. The montage did. So

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what, do you edit it the other way to end with them with. Because

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I. I will say

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that I agree that

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the. I would have preferred that they

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ended it with that. With. With the. With that conversation and

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Allison walking out like that, I would. I do agree with you

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there. because I think it would

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have. Because the,

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Because that scene and seeing

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how things have shifted and as far as, like, how. How

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now, Rhaenyra, you know, it's very interesting. They have shifted roles

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where it goes before Renaro was going

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there and, you know,

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to try to stop, you know, come up with the all, you know,

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let's try to stop this thing before it goes too far down and

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then analysis the other way.

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And now, Alison, you know,

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I saw a great, like, video, someone I put cut

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together of, like, what would you have me do? And that, you know,

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and Renee was like, saying, look,

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you know, son for a son. And actually thinking

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back to the first season, it was hype.

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Otto, who was, like, saying, look, the only

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way this is going to go is Rener is not going to

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the blacks win, then you're going to lose

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Aegon and all your family because she can't, you

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know, she can't. She can't

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leave someone there to challenge her. And so I

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loved way they bookended those kind of things

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with this finale.

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>> Sarah : Right.

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>> Will: so, I mean, so for me, that, you know, so that, to me, that was a great

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payoff of all of

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all these things that's seeing how the things

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have shifted throughout. Throughout the season and how

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Reniera has come to that point where it's just like, look,

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you know, I tried my best to,

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like, not end

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this thing with bloodshed, but

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y'all have forced my hand with all your

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dealings and

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usurping my authority

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here and, you know, and,

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twisting the story to your. To your own

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ends. So now y'all forced me to this place where you

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have been to, like, even get commoners to ride dragons

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to end this thing. So I, you know, so I

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really felt that. That some of the politics and some of the

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drama was. Was really

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driving me throughout this season with

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the sort of seeing how that unfolded. And we got. But, too,

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to your point about, I think.

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I think whenever we got to, I think part

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of the problem, I think maybe some people are feeling, I don't know if this is you

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or not, but I think from the incident, you know, with the battle at Rook's

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rest, I think everyone really thought from Rook's

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rest forward, we were going to get the battle of gullet and all those kind of

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things.

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>> Sarah : And then the show did know what the battle of

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gullet is.

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>> Will: That's the best the gullet is the,

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why Tyrode,

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Thailand had gone to the tri

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triarchy to get more ships because the goal is

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to blockade.

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>> Sarah : Okay. Yeah,

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no, I'm not that type of.

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Not that viewer. And

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I don't even necessarily think

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that that has been a big

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discussion point of at least what I've

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heard about the criticism of not only the

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finale but of just season two in general.

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I do. I do think

507
00:23:14.472 --> 00:23:17.296
a bigger point and a bigger difference between our

508
00:23:17.328 --> 00:23:20.296
two perceptions is again, reminder, guys,

509
00:23:20.368 --> 00:23:22.300
will has not watched Game of Thrones.

510
00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:25.976
So the song of

511
00:23:26.008 --> 00:23:27.020
Ice and Fire,

512
00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:32.020
if you watch Game of Thrones, you know what happens

513
00:23:32.560 --> 00:23:35.306
and, and you also know how the

514
00:23:35.338 --> 00:23:37.350
show ends. And so

515
00:23:38.910 --> 00:23:41.342
there was so, such much more

516
00:23:41.406 --> 00:23:43.742
emphasis on it, especially in the

517
00:23:43.766 --> 00:23:45.990
finale, because you have another

518
00:23:46.070 --> 00:23:48.730
montage of Damon

519
00:23:50.150 --> 00:23:53.110
through the three eyed raven looking

520
00:23:53.190 --> 00:23:55.742
and seeing the white walkers.

521
00:23:55.926 --> 00:23:58.752
Seeing, I'm just, and I said the White walkers

522
00:23:58.816 --> 00:24:01.504
because there's some debate on if he actually saw the Night

523
00:24:01.552 --> 00:24:04.262
king or nothing. So I'm just gonna say the White

524
00:24:04.326 --> 00:24:04.942
Walker.

525
00:24:05.046 --> 00:24:05.580
>> Will: Yeah.

526
00:24:06.190 --> 00:24:09.102
>> Sarah : and then you see Daenerys and you see what's

527
00:24:09.126 --> 00:24:11.650
to come. And I just that

528
00:24:14.350 --> 00:24:17.142
I know this show takes 200,

529
00:24:17.286 --> 00:24:20.190
takes place 200 years before all

530
00:24:20.230 --> 00:24:23.214
that. So it kind of drives me a little bit

531
00:24:23.262 --> 00:24:26.174
crazy when they're like, oh, well, winter is

532
00:24:26.222 --> 00:24:29.222
coming and I'm gonna do this because that's

533
00:24:29.246 --> 00:24:32.048
to come. I'm just like, dude, you are

534
00:24:32.104 --> 00:24:33.180
so early.

535
00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:38.512
And this. Does it have anything to do with you?

536
00:24:38.576 --> 00:24:41.240
I don't really know. Like sort of,

537
00:24:41.360 --> 00:24:43.560
but it's just, it's just

538
00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:46.496
annoying because we already

539
00:24:46.568 --> 00:24:49.464
know how that story ends.

540
00:24:49.552 --> 00:24:52.504
So it's a very tricky thing for

541
00:24:52.552 --> 00:24:55.536
people who are knowing with that

542
00:24:55.608 --> 00:24:58.402
knowledge, viewing

543
00:24:58.466 --> 00:25:01.338
that as a motivations behind

544
00:25:01.434 --> 00:25:04.138
the actions of the characters in this present

545
00:25:04.234 --> 00:25:06.550
story. Do you know what I'm trying to say?

546
00:25:06.850 --> 00:25:09.442
>> Will: Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. I mean, I,

547
00:25:09.586 --> 00:25:12.562
I mean, you know, I've not, I didn't watch Game of Thrones. I haven't read

548
00:25:12.586 --> 00:25:15.386
the books. So I'm truly coming in

549
00:25:15.418 --> 00:25:17.910
this with a blank slate. So,

550
00:25:18.250 --> 00:25:20.642
so since, but, you know, but

551
00:25:20.666 --> 00:25:23.616
I, but I didn't have, but I know

552
00:25:23.648 --> 00:25:26.408
enough of the lore just because, I mean, it's such a,

553
00:25:26.544 --> 00:25:29.496
you know, as part of this cultural zeitgeist.

554
00:25:29.688 --> 00:25:32.568
So I, you know, so when I saw those things,

555
00:25:32.704 --> 00:25:35.632
you know, I saw Daenerys and the white walkers and

556
00:25:35.656 --> 00:25:38.542
everything like that. I mean, you know, you

557
00:25:38.566 --> 00:25:41.512
can't be in this space without knowing the sort of the, even

558
00:25:41.536 --> 00:25:44.136
if I haven't watched every minute of it, I'm

559
00:25:44.168 --> 00:25:46.376
familiar, familiar with what happens.

560
00:25:46.568 --> 00:25:48.636
So, But to me,

561
00:25:49.496 --> 00:25:52.368
and for me it really

562
00:25:52.432 --> 00:25:55.352
was. And we talked about this last week too, because with

563
00:25:55.384 --> 00:25:58.168
the visions and we had some disagreement on

564
00:25:58.192 --> 00:26:00.840
that, you know, as far as I thought the visions

565
00:26:00.968 --> 00:26:02.996
were with seeing

566
00:26:03.376 --> 00:26:06.016
Viserys and with, with the crown

567
00:26:06.096 --> 00:26:08.584
last week and, and all.

568
00:26:08.760 --> 00:26:11.636
And to me it.

569
00:26:12.506 --> 00:26:15.368
Well, it was a payoff for me because, you know, I think back to

570
00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:18.360
Damon and Renera's fight at the very, very beginning

571
00:26:18.376 --> 00:26:21.360
of the season, this season and

572
00:26:21.496 --> 00:26:24.240
whether or not he was going to be loyal to her

573
00:26:24.336 --> 00:26:27.144
or is he, or is he. Is this going to be Damon out for Damon?

574
00:26:27.288 --> 00:26:30.104
So, you know, so seeing all the, seeing

575
00:26:30.128 --> 00:26:33.040
how. How the whole heron hall. But I

576
00:26:33.056 --> 00:26:35.904
know midseason I was kind of like, kind. I was, I

577
00:26:35.928 --> 00:26:38.906
was, I was getting a little, oh, well, you know,

578
00:26:38.994 --> 00:26:41.890
I did, I even commented, it's like joked about how it was

579
00:26:41.906 --> 00:26:43.502
like a show in and of itself.

580
00:26:44.722 --> 00:26:47.642
But, but whenever I got to this

581
00:26:47.682 --> 00:26:50.626
part of it, I, to me it,

582
00:26:50.674 --> 00:26:52.222
whenever he did

583
00:26:53.842 --> 00:26:56.322
pledge to her there in front of

584
00:26:56.362 --> 00:26:59.314
everyone, whether it was, you know,

585
00:26:59.338 --> 00:27:01.754
and, but because of the division that Alice had

586
00:27:01.778 --> 00:27:04.764
him see, he

587
00:27:04.788 --> 00:27:07.644
was at a place now where he could, he could be

588
00:27:07.708 --> 00:27:10.700
receptive of it. So, so for me it

589
00:27:10.716 --> 00:27:13.596
was like, okay, narratively it made sense why he had this

590
00:27:13.644 --> 00:27:16.452
whole, this epiphany and ah,

591
00:27:16.556 --> 00:27:19.308
why he now believes, please, the prophecy

592
00:27:19.460 --> 00:27:21.900
and aegon's. Aegon. Aegon the conqueror's

593
00:27:21.916 --> 00:27:22.552
dream.

594
00:27:22.762 --> 00:27:24.054
>> Will: So it worked for me.

595
00:27:24.238 --> 00:27:26.814
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm not

596
00:27:26.878 --> 00:27:27.574
surprised.

597
00:27:27.718 --> 00:27:28.442
>> Will: Yeah.

598
00:27:29.142 --> 00:27:32.004
>> Sarah : Which is good. I mean, it

599
00:27:32.028 --> 00:27:34.796
was a good moment. But it's funny

600
00:27:34.844 --> 00:27:36.702
how you mentioned some

601
00:27:37.272 --> 00:27:39.624
comparisons to other

602
00:27:39.688 --> 00:27:42.328
properties that this finale in

603
00:27:42.360 --> 00:27:44.172
particular reminded you of.

604
00:27:46.362 --> 00:27:48.978
and those were favorable comparisons for

605
00:27:49.010 --> 00:27:51.858
me. I already mentioned the montage and

606
00:27:51.890 --> 00:27:54.770
what that reminds me of. But this whole

607
00:27:54.826 --> 00:27:57.262
scene between Damon and

608
00:27:57.302 --> 00:28:00.102
Rhaenyra and it coming to a head and

609
00:28:00.142 --> 00:28:03.094
then having that exchange, man, I

610
00:28:03.118 --> 00:28:05.774
just, I just went right back to the movie theaters when I

611
00:28:05.798 --> 00:28:08.334
saw return of the king for the first time in

612
00:28:08.358 --> 00:28:11.292
theaters. the movie that has 7000

613
00:28:11.372 --> 00:28:14.316
endings and just is

614
00:28:14.364 --> 00:28:17.188
so long. Like the second one, honestly, is my

615
00:28:17.220 --> 00:28:18.732
favorite lord of the Rings movie.

616
00:28:18.852 --> 00:28:19.364
>> Will: Yeah.

617
00:28:19.468 --> 00:28:22.228
>> Sarah : So I was just like, oh,

618
00:28:22.340 --> 00:28:24.946
great. I, this isn't

619
00:28:24.994 --> 00:28:27.738
good. So in a way, some of

620
00:28:27.770 --> 00:28:30.612
these things, some of my some scenes,

621
00:28:30.652 --> 00:28:33.112
I understand why they work and I understand

622
00:28:33.612 --> 00:28:36.596
why it happens like that, but it just reminds me

623
00:28:36.604 --> 00:28:38.992
of things that are not, not

624
00:28:39.292 --> 00:28:40.272
favorable.

625
00:28:40.652 --> 00:28:43.484
>> Will: I will say what that. Yeah, yeah. I will say some fun things

626
00:28:43.548 --> 00:28:46.484
about that scene too. With Sarah Simon back there. In the

627
00:28:46.508 --> 00:28:49.322
background, like, clapping. And. And, and then also

628
00:28:49.362 --> 00:28:51.970
another thing that stuck out to me thinking about, too, back with the

629
00:28:51.986 --> 00:28:54.468
beginning of the season, was whenever

630
00:28:54.556 --> 00:28:57.428
Rhaenyra and Damon were talking to, hi, Valerian.

631
00:28:57.476 --> 00:29:00.156
And he. And she was just like, don't you ever fucking do this

632
00:29:00.180 --> 00:29:03.140
again. I just really love that

633
00:29:03.172 --> 00:29:06.068
moment. I mean, it's just. Those are those. And I think that,

634
00:29:06.116 --> 00:29:08.780
again, the totality of the moment is

635
00:29:08.812 --> 00:29:11.642
what. What hope helps sell it for me. in

636
00:29:11.658 --> 00:29:14.306
addition to this, this is in addition to,

637
00:29:14.394 --> 00:29:17.272
obviously, how well acted it was. And then. And also what,

638
00:29:17.272 --> 00:29:20.162
was named the, Baron or whoever who had Rener

639
00:29:20.250 --> 00:29:22.874
set to, go, see what. We'll see where

640
00:29:22.906 --> 00:29:25.836
Damon's head is on this. And, I couldn't

641
00:29:25.852 --> 00:29:28.258
help but notice he, like, was scurrying out of there,

642
00:29:28.208 --> 00:29:30.968
whenever, Damon pledged loyalty

643
00:29:31.008 --> 00:29:33.878
back to his loyalty to Rhaenyra, especially whenever

644
00:29:33.918 --> 00:29:36.840
you had the, wood the

645
00:29:36.864 --> 00:29:39.726
woods, like, whispering traitor, there

646
00:29:39.782 --> 00:29:41.022
earlier in the episode.

647
00:29:41.150 --> 00:29:43.630
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, that was a. A

648
00:29:43.654 --> 00:29:46.490
forewarning, of who.

649
00:29:46.594 --> 00:29:49.594
What he really was there to do. And he was there

650
00:29:49.626 --> 00:29:51.314
to portray Rhaenyra.

651
00:29:51.466 --> 00:29:52.198
>> Will: Yeah.

652
00:29:53.018 --> 00:29:55.644
>> Sarah : Yeah, we had all of that going

653
00:29:55.716 --> 00:29:58.446
on. what was your take

654
00:29:58.542 --> 00:30:01.132
on, the villain of the season, Sir

655
00:30:01.180 --> 00:30:03.118
Kristian Cole and his,

656
00:30:03.068 --> 00:30:05.834
PTsd. Yeah. I'm

657
00:30:05.866 --> 00:30:08.464
fucking your sister. Her. So what?

658
00:30:08.656 --> 00:30:10.508
She's nice to meet.

659
00:30:11.928 --> 00:30:14.512
>> Will: Yeah. Oh,

660
00:30:14.560 --> 00:30:17.426
my man. Sir Criston. He, Yeah,

661
00:30:17.482 --> 00:30:20.480
he, He's like, you know what? I've looked into

662
00:30:20.504 --> 00:30:22.188
the eyes of a dragon, and

663
00:30:23.688 --> 00:30:26.286
I survived the, I survived being a ground

664
00:30:26.342 --> 00:30:29.126
zero. And, you know, whatever.

665
00:30:29.182 --> 00:30:31.598
Peace out. What? What? My fate is

666
00:30:31.638 --> 00:30:34.338
sealed. This is all, you know.

667
00:30:34.998 --> 00:30:37.458
Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Strike me down. Gwang.

668
00:30:38.398 --> 00:30:40.262
I died. I died at rook's rest.

669
00:30:40.390 --> 00:30:43.166
>> Sarah : Did you. So, did you like

670
00:30:43.222 --> 00:30:43.998
the scene?

671
00:30:44.118 --> 00:30:44.502
>> Will: I did.

672
00:30:44.550 --> 00:30:46.578
>> Sarah : Or did it? Okay. Okay.

673
00:30:47.798 --> 00:30:50.458
>> Will: I, for once else is, like, you know,

674
00:30:51.238 --> 00:30:54.078
as much junk as we talk about. Cole. He actually

675
00:30:54.118 --> 00:30:55.418
is making sense here.

676
00:30:56.238 --> 00:30:59.182
>> Sarah : No, no, yeah, he is. He makes

677
00:30:59.230 --> 00:31:01.038
sense. the.

678
00:31:02.098 --> 00:31:05.098
It felt out of place. And here's why.

679
00:31:05.258 --> 00:31:07.978
Because we did not see him at

680
00:31:08.018 --> 00:31:10.898
all. I don't think. In last week's

681
00:31:10.938 --> 00:31:11.490
episode.

682
00:31:11.594 --> 00:31:14.478
>> Will: Oh, he was, like, gone for about three episodes. After Rick dress. Yeah.

683
00:31:14.428 --> 00:31:17.196
after Rick's rest, I don't think we saw him again.

684
00:31:17.388 --> 00:31:19.548
>> Sarah : I know. I know. We definitely did.

685
00:31:19.604 --> 00:31:22.160
>> Will: Oh, yeah, we saw him briefly. Yeah, yeah.

686
00:31:22.460 --> 00:31:25.332
>> Sarah : They brought back the dragon. Yeah. Yeah, we've Scene him, but

687
00:31:25.356 --> 00:31:28.080
I'm pretty sure we did not see him

688
00:31:28.120 --> 00:31:28.944
last week.

689
00:31:29.072 --> 00:31:31.736
>> Will: Well, we didn't see him last week. I think the last time we saw him is

690
00:31:31.768 --> 00:31:34.736
maybe. Yeah, it's been a couple episodes,

691
00:31:34.768 --> 00:31:37.360
at least. Cause I think he got the. He got the breast

692
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:38.432
napkin from Alice.

693
00:31:38.496 --> 00:31:41.352
>> Sarah : I think it was one episode, but, yeah. So.

694
00:31:41.456 --> 00:31:44.380
So then to have this moment

695
00:31:45.080 --> 00:31:48.032
and. And I don't know about y'all, but I'm

696
00:31:48.056 --> 00:31:50.984
kind of like, rook's rest is a thing in

697
00:31:50.992 --> 00:31:53.880
the past. Bring it up. Like,

698
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:56.510
I knew. I understood

699
00:31:56.930 --> 00:31:59.070
that it had an impact on him.

700
00:32:00.010 --> 00:32:02.714
I think I would have appreciated this

701
00:32:02.762 --> 00:32:05.650
whole thing more had

702
00:32:05.730 --> 00:32:08.442
he not been such an asshole for the first few

703
00:32:08.506 --> 00:32:10.796
episodes. And, arguably season one,

704
00:32:10.908 --> 00:32:13.828
like, because,

705
00:32:13.924 --> 00:32:16.636
you know, I defend Allison.

706
00:32:16.788 --> 00:32:19.632
I've, been in her all season. I like her. I can't be

707
00:32:19.656 --> 00:32:22.570
mad at her. She makes sense all the time. Cole has

708
00:32:22.610 --> 00:32:24.390
one scene where he makes sense

709
00:32:25.810 --> 00:32:28.674
that I'm just like, I still don't like

710
00:32:28.722 --> 00:32:31.402
you. Because, in a

711
00:32:31.426 --> 00:32:33.866
way, you helped lead us to this.

712
00:32:33.978 --> 00:32:34.602
>> Will: Yes.

713
00:32:34.746 --> 00:32:37.666
>> Sarah : But I do think it was

714
00:32:37.698 --> 00:32:40.642
an important scene just in terms

715
00:32:40.706 --> 00:32:42.830
of the theme this season about

716
00:32:44.330 --> 00:32:46.930
the gods that are

717
00:32:46.970 --> 00:32:49.810
presented through the form of dragons and, like, what

718
00:32:49.850 --> 00:32:52.696
that means. I just. I don't

719
00:32:52.728 --> 00:32:55.680
know. I almost feel like I wish

720
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:58.656
there was some other people who we

721
00:32:58.688 --> 00:33:01.664
could have Scene that through the lens of, rather

722
00:33:01.712 --> 00:33:04.672
than who I've. The person who I've painted as

723
00:33:04.696 --> 00:33:06.980
the villain of the entire show.

724
00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:12.208
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. It would have been interesting coming out of

725
00:33:12.224 --> 00:33:13.780
amen's mouth, for example.

726
00:33:14.080 --> 00:33:16.140
>> Sarah : Yeah. And I also,

727
00:33:17.060 --> 00:33:19.960
in a way, I found,

728
00:33:20.069 --> 00:33:23.046
Allison's brother. I can't remember his name to save the life

729
00:33:23.078 --> 00:33:25.870
of me, but, yeah, when

730
00:33:25.910 --> 00:33:28.734
we first got introduced to him, I was like, oh, my God,

731
00:33:28.782 --> 00:33:31.262
this is a Lannister wannabe. And, no,

732
00:33:31.406 --> 00:33:34.210
he, like, he himself

733
00:33:34.950 --> 00:33:37.290
has changed throughout the course of the season.

734
00:33:38.919 --> 00:33:41.748
and he even is kind enough to tell Alison,

735
00:33:41.844 --> 00:33:44.168
like, her mothering

736
00:33:44.224 --> 00:33:47.216
didn't make these people who obviously should

737
00:33:47.248 --> 00:33:50.248
never be king, but. But it was.

738
00:33:50.304 --> 00:33:53.152
It was just King's landing on its own. And then he

739
00:33:53.176 --> 00:33:56.088
has this moment with Sir Kristian. Like. Like,

740
00:33:56.144 --> 00:33:57.864
he's very interesting.

741
00:33:58.032 --> 00:33:59.432
>> Will: He is. Yeah.

742
00:33:59.616 --> 00:34:01.900
>> Sarah : So. So I don't know. I.

743
00:34:02.600 --> 00:34:05.216
There again, I

744
00:34:05.248 --> 00:34:08.020
don't hate. I don't think this is a trash

745
00:34:08.330 --> 00:34:11.098
season of television. No. There's been worse

746
00:34:11.154 --> 00:34:13.930
train. Train wrecks that we've watched and reviewed,

747
00:34:14.090 --> 00:34:16.714
but it's just. It's just a matter of

748
00:34:16.762 --> 00:34:19.602
comparison to season one, where I'm like, I can't do it. I can't do

749
00:34:19.626 --> 00:34:22.550
it. It's very, very different. Very, very different.

750
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:26.860
and also

751
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:30.808
the other interesting pairing and some

752
00:34:30.904 --> 00:34:33.896
very cool scenes, which had

753
00:34:33.928 --> 00:34:36.546
a lot of TMI, is, Aegon and

754
00:34:36.698 --> 00:34:37.490
Laris.

755
00:34:37.650 --> 00:34:38.802
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

756
00:34:38.986 --> 00:34:41.986
>> Sarah : So. So season three is going to feature the adventures

757
00:34:42.058 --> 00:34:44.190
of Laris and Aegon.

758
00:34:45.490 --> 00:34:47.834
I'm so glad they didn't kill Aegon.

759
00:34:47.962 --> 00:34:48.738
>> Will: I am, too.

760
00:34:48.834 --> 00:34:51.550
>> Sarah : Yeah. Like, he.

761
00:34:52.010 --> 00:34:54.990
I. He just.

762
00:34:55.490 --> 00:34:57.922
Early on, even when he was,

763
00:34:58.026 --> 00:35:00.642
like, still the kid who we met in season

764
00:35:00.706 --> 00:35:03.628
one, it just. He

765
00:35:03.724 --> 00:35:06.660
just. There was something about him where I'm like, I

766
00:35:06.740 --> 00:35:09.308
don't like you, but I'm curious.

767
00:35:09.404 --> 00:35:12.260
Like, you're not. You're not. I don't

768
00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:13.800
know what you are yet.

769
00:35:14.790 --> 00:35:16.850
and. And then having.

770
00:35:17.350 --> 00:35:20.302
Having what happened to him occur and

771
00:35:20.326 --> 00:35:23.006
to see where he is now. And

772
00:35:23.118 --> 00:35:25.462
I love Laris. Laris is

773
00:35:25.526 --> 00:35:28.350
playing. I don't know what game he's

774
00:35:28.390 --> 00:35:31.270
playing, but he is keeping

775
00:35:31.310 --> 00:35:34.030
his cards close to the chest and

776
00:35:34.150 --> 00:35:36.606
getting his key to the

777
00:35:36.638 --> 00:35:39.430
kingdom fresh out of town, because he's like, no,

778
00:35:39.550 --> 00:35:42.382
no, let your brother die on the throne. We

779
00:35:42.406 --> 00:35:44.974
will come back and retrieve it later.

780
00:35:45.142 --> 00:35:47.702
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Larry's is playing a long game.

781
00:35:47.766 --> 00:35:50.632
He, Because I think he, you know,

782
00:35:50.656 --> 00:35:53.200
he saw the writing on the wall

783
00:35:53.240 --> 00:35:56.132
when I think. I think

784
00:35:56.156 --> 00:35:59.012
he was trying to, like, manipulate. Obviously, he was trying to manipulate a

785
00:35:59.036 --> 00:36:01.500
situation when a gun was

786
00:36:01.540 --> 00:36:04.412
injured, but Damon wasn't having any.

787
00:36:04.476 --> 00:36:07.000
Any word of it. And, you know,

788
00:36:07.430 --> 00:36:10.148
m aegon was not having any word of it.

789
00:36:10.284 --> 00:36:12.924
And. And especially

790
00:36:13.012 --> 00:36:15.948
whenever he was looking, you know, he want. One

791
00:36:15.964 --> 00:36:18.700
of the few moments of, like, good leadership

792
00:36:18.740 --> 00:36:21.668
that Amon had was when he

793
00:36:21.684 --> 00:36:24.422
was asking for auto to come back. and

794
00:36:24.446 --> 00:36:27.414
so Laris was like, okay, let me see how I

795
00:36:27.422 --> 00:36:30.174
can. The whole.

796
00:36:30.302 --> 00:36:32.942
Whenever he, like, first went to aegon and with the whole

797
00:36:32.966 --> 00:36:35.838
cripple. And, you know, of course, last

798
00:36:35.894 --> 00:36:38.782
week we saw him really working him hard to get

799
00:36:38.806 --> 00:36:41.142
back into shape. So he can. He can

800
00:36:41.326 --> 00:36:44.302
ultimately, I guess, get well enough to escape King's

801
00:36:44.326 --> 00:36:47.216
landing, which, for whatever plans

802
00:36:47.248 --> 00:36:49.850
he has in the long term, you know, it's a

803
00:36:49.890 --> 00:36:52.306
fascinating thing here to see it, you know, see

804
00:36:52.338 --> 00:36:54.844
how, Lariss

805
00:36:54.892 --> 00:36:57.360
is really manipulating

806
00:36:57.700 --> 00:37:00.508
the levers here because, you know, first season, you know,

807
00:37:00.564 --> 00:37:03.480
it was gaining favor with Allison,

808
00:37:04.460 --> 00:37:07.068
and now, you know, he's just sort of working his way through the

809
00:37:07.084 --> 00:37:09.782
family as far as, you know, seeing which way the wind is

810
00:37:09.806 --> 00:37:10.450
blowing.

811
00:37:12.590 --> 00:37:15.216
And, so, yeah, I don't know what his ultimate.

812
00:37:15.288 --> 00:37:17.978
>> Sarah : Ultimate favor for himself. Yeah.

813
00:37:18.114 --> 00:37:21.010
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah. But,

814
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:23.768
Yeah, I really liked. I really liked those scenes with

815
00:37:23.832 --> 00:37:26.722
the two of them this week as well. And, yeah, they gone

816
00:37:26.754 --> 00:37:29.418
really, you know, just, again, talking about, the

817
00:37:29.442 --> 00:37:32.178
evolution of the character throughout the season.

818
00:37:32.282 --> 00:37:34.962
And also, you know, I think Aegon. I think

819
00:37:35.034 --> 00:37:37.906
Laris sort of plays a weird.

820
00:37:37.946 --> 00:37:40.086
In a weird role, that nurturing

821
00:37:41.626 --> 00:37:43.938
void that Aegon had with

822
00:37:43.962 --> 00:37:46.778
Alicent because, you know, throughout the

823
00:37:46.802 --> 00:37:49.666
season, she. You know, the times that he tried to reach out to

824
00:37:49.706 --> 00:37:52.438
her, she. She rebuffed

825
00:37:52.462 --> 00:37:55.230
him. So I think he. You know, so I think Laris

826
00:37:55.278 --> 00:37:58.142
also plays that role with Aegon at, this

827
00:37:58.166 --> 00:37:59.238
juncture as well.

828
00:37:59.414 --> 00:38:00.770
>> Sarah : Oh, I hope not.

829
00:38:01.150 --> 00:38:03.734
>> Will: And for Laris, is warm

830
00:38:03.782 --> 00:38:04.918
ways, but.

831
00:38:05.094 --> 00:38:07.744
>> Sarah : Well, I don't. I don't know. He.

832
00:38:07.792 --> 00:38:10.344
Larry's honestly almost has become less

833
00:38:10.432 --> 00:38:13.400
wormy in the last few episodes.

834
00:38:13.560 --> 00:38:16.408
He started off that way, but.

835
00:38:16.584 --> 00:38:19.370
And I, think because himself, he. He's

836
00:38:19.410 --> 00:38:21.790
deformed to an extent, too.

837
00:38:22.410 --> 00:38:25.274
Like, you can understand

838
00:38:25.442 --> 00:38:28.362
why he want, like, I don't know. There

839
00:38:28.386 --> 00:38:31.074
is just. They've. They've done something with his

840
00:38:31.122 --> 00:38:33.976
character, and I can't quite put my

841
00:38:34.008 --> 00:38:36.180
finger on what it is because

842
00:38:36.640 --> 00:38:39.312
I don't. Yes, he's playing a game,

843
00:38:39.376 --> 00:38:42.312
but to me, it's no longer just

844
00:38:42.336 --> 00:38:45.320
a political game. Like, he's survival.

845
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:48.180
It's like, no, we're getting out of Dodge because we're.

846
00:38:48.640 --> 00:38:51.320
Either we do this or we die. Like, that's.

847
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:53.544
There's no if, ands, or buts about that.

848
00:38:53.672 --> 00:38:54.180
>> Will: Yeah.

849
00:38:54.180 --> 00:38:56.690
>> Sarah : and it's. And what also

850
00:38:57.040 --> 00:38:59.918
is very, interesting, it's like this season,

851
00:39:00.014 --> 00:39:02.966
we. At the beginning, we were talking about the two boys,

852
00:39:03.078 --> 00:39:04.450
Ayman and Nayon.

853
00:39:05.670 --> 00:39:08.450
And heading into this season, I know

854
00:39:09.270 --> 00:39:12.054
a lot of us felt like we had better idea of

855
00:39:12.102 --> 00:39:15.046
who Eamond is as a character and what his whole thing

856
00:39:15.078 --> 00:39:17.758
is. And I'm sorry. This

857
00:39:17.814 --> 00:39:20.310
episode just kind of

858
00:39:20.470 --> 00:39:22.330
pointed out to me, like,

859
00:39:25.180 --> 00:39:27.340
even has not changed at all.

860
00:39:27.500 --> 00:39:28.036
>> Will: Nope.

861
00:39:28.108 --> 00:39:30.636
>> Sarah : And there's no character growth,

862
00:39:30.828 --> 00:39:33.820
and I'm just like, we went another

863
00:39:33.900 --> 00:39:36.612
eight episodes, and you are still the exact same

864
00:39:36.676 --> 00:39:39.612
person that you were at the beginning. What

865
00:39:39.676 --> 00:39:40.520
happened?

866
00:39:42.220 --> 00:39:44.788
Like, I don't. I don't

867
00:39:44.844 --> 00:39:47.812
know. It's just. It's just as interesting

868
00:39:47.876 --> 00:39:50.576
how really, the person who could.

869
00:39:50.648 --> 00:39:53.576
Should be the villain. I'm like, I don't

870
00:39:53.608 --> 00:39:56.520
even know you as a character. I feel

871
00:39:56.560 --> 00:39:59.388
like I spent more time, with Sir

872
00:39:59.444 --> 00:40:02.396
Kristian than I did with a min. And that's why

873
00:40:02.428 --> 00:40:04.840
I paint Sir Kristian as the villain.

874
00:40:05.180 --> 00:40:08.160
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. A man is very.

875
00:40:08.860 --> 00:40:11.252
I mean, you know, he tries to fashion himself as his

876
00:40:11.276 --> 00:40:14.108
uncle, and, But

877
00:40:14.204 --> 00:40:17.132
I would agree. I do agree with you in

878
00:40:17.156 --> 00:40:19.916
this, that he. Yeah,

879
00:40:19.948 --> 00:40:22.772
he. He's been pretty consistent with and

880
00:40:22.796 --> 00:40:24.680
true to himself as far as.

881
00:40:25.460 --> 00:40:27.932
>> Sarah : But I don't even know what that is anymore.

882
00:40:28.036 --> 00:40:28.680
Like,

883
00:40:30.380 --> 00:40:33.372
it's. It's one thing, like, to

884
00:40:33.396 --> 00:40:35.940
have a consistent character, and I love consistent

885
00:40:35.980 --> 00:40:38.548
characters, but it's another

886
00:40:38.644 --> 00:40:41.438
thing where it just

887
00:40:41.494 --> 00:40:44.294
feels like they're there and they storm

888
00:40:44.342 --> 00:40:46.782
in and they storm out.

889
00:40:46.926 --> 00:40:49.782
Yeah, but there isn't, like, it. I

890
00:40:49.806 --> 00:40:52.462
guess, in a way, it

891
00:40:52.486 --> 00:40:55.090
doesn't feel like. It feels like

892
00:40:55.550 --> 00:40:58.054
he has a singular purpose in the

893
00:40:58.102 --> 00:41:00.966
story. Therefore, he

894
00:41:00.998 --> 00:41:03.610
shall not be given a story of his own.

895
00:41:05.040 --> 00:41:05.584
>> Will: Yeah.

896
00:41:05.672 --> 00:41:08.584
>> Sarah : Well, especially in this season, arguably,

897
00:41:08.632 --> 00:41:11.384
in season one, he had somewhat so much more, and that's why

898
00:41:11.432 --> 00:41:14.096
going into this, I could hardly remember Aegon's

899
00:41:14.208 --> 00:41:16.780
name for the first episode, but I knew Aemond.

900
00:41:17.080 --> 00:41:19.920
I knew guy who was being teased,

901
00:41:20.040 --> 00:41:22.992
and then they got into a fight, and he stole a dragon, and then he

902
00:41:23.016 --> 00:41:25.776
almost killed a boy, and then he got his eye taken out for

903
00:41:25.808 --> 00:41:28.784
it. So an eye for an eye and a son for, like,

904
00:41:28.872 --> 00:41:31.216
fully understand aim and fully understand his

905
00:41:31.248 --> 00:41:34.032
motivations. This season, we start

906
00:41:34.096 --> 00:41:37.016
off that way, and it's like, oh,

907
00:41:37.048 --> 00:41:39.808
you still got the same. So you're still going after

908
00:41:39.864 --> 00:41:42.680
your bullies. Okay. Okay. You're still going

909
00:41:42.720 --> 00:41:45.300
after your bullies, and then you get the crown,

910
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:49.494
and then, it's just. I don't know. There was no,

911
00:41:49.542 --> 00:41:52.070
like, bigger evolution of

912
00:41:52.110 --> 00:41:54.870
it, like, or more nuance

913
00:41:54.990 --> 00:41:56.622
of it, I don't think.

914
00:41:56.686 --> 00:41:59.582
>> Will: Yeah, I think he is not. He is not nuanced

915
00:41:59.606 --> 00:42:02.444
by design. Yeah, I

916
00:42:02.452 --> 00:42:05.412
think. I think you. You know, I mean, I think what

917
00:42:05.436 --> 00:42:08.380
you've identified with them is that this. This is

918
00:42:08.420 --> 00:42:11.188
who. This is who he is, and, you

919
00:42:11.204 --> 00:42:14.172
know, and you need that foil in the story, and

920
00:42:14.196 --> 00:42:16.160
he was. He's that one for the season.

921
00:42:16.860 --> 00:42:19.596
>> Sarah : Yeah. And he needs to. The

922
00:42:19.628 --> 00:42:22.444
actor needs to start saying

923
00:42:22.492 --> 00:42:25.236
his lines a little bit differently. He started to bother me. There was

924
00:42:25.268 --> 00:42:27.604
something with, like, his. His, cadence.

925
00:42:28.424 --> 00:42:31.112
>> Will: Oh, I noticed that whenever he was with the whole thing with

926
00:42:31.128 --> 00:42:33.564
Helena, I did notice it was.

927
00:42:34.024 --> 00:42:35.084
I felt it was.

928
00:42:38.624 --> 00:42:41.096
I don't know if it's more benevolent or,

929
00:42:41.160 --> 00:42:44.072
like, it was just something about it, but he was just like. I

930
00:42:44.088 --> 00:42:45.004
was frightened.

931
00:42:46.544 --> 00:42:48.004
>> Sarah : I was just like,

932
00:42:49.144 --> 00:42:51.994
why? Why so quickly? Like, why,

933
00:42:51.944 --> 00:42:54.834
Why? What is going on here? Why I'm

934
00:42:54.874 --> 00:42:57.094
completely taken out of the story?

935
00:42:57.534 --> 00:43:00.334
>> Will: Yeah. I don't know if that took me out of it. It was just

936
00:43:00.374 --> 00:43:03.246
the. I don't know, the desperation or

937
00:43:03.270 --> 00:43:06.208
this. Yeah, this, you know, I guess maybe that was

938
00:43:06.256 --> 00:43:09.224
sort of the through line that was supposed to happen in this episode.

939
00:43:09.304 --> 00:43:12.056
From Sharpe's point throughout with his interactions with his

940
00:43:12.080 --> 00:43:12.656
sister was.

941
00:43:12.720 --> 00:43:14.904
>> Sarah : Right, right. I understood the

942
00:43:14.944 --> 00:43:17.840
desperation in his character. It

943
00:43:17.872 --> 00:43:20.824
kind of came a bit sudden, but then again, he just

944
00:43:20.904 --> 00:43:23.688
realized how he doesn't have the upper

945
00:43:23.736 --> 00:43:24.552
hand anymore.

946
00:43:24.608 --> 00:43:24.924
>> Will: Yeah.

947
00:43:24.984 --> 00:43:27.836
>> Sarah : So he threw a tantrum, destroyed a city,

948
00:43:27.980 --> 00:43:30.668
whatever. Killed people, whatever.

949
00:43:30.836 --> 00:43:33.308
And then he tries to rope his sister into

950
00:43:33.356 --> 00:43:36.264
it, which. But I think it's.

951
00:43:37.084 --> 00:43:39.428
And I really don't like putting down

952
00:43:39.516 --> 00:43:42.180
actors, but there was something about that scene

953
00:43:42.292 --> 00:43:44.868
where the actress who plays

954
00:43:44.956 --> 00:43:47.624
Helena was just acting in circles,

955
00:43:47.964 --> 00:43:50.412
like she was just doing something

956
00:43:50.468 --> 00:43:53.298
else. And it wasn't, like, the

957
00:43:53.346 --> 00:43:56.034
actor. I think Ewan, if I'm not mistaken,

958
00:43:56.154 --> 00:43:58.914
he does a very good job with,

959
00:43:59.074 --> 00:44:01.986
with, like, the staring and, like,

960
00:44:02.050 --> 00:44:04.538
expressing the emotion and thoughts

961
00:44:04.706 --> 00:44:06.134
through his eye.

962
00:44:07.654 --> 00:44:10.508
and face. Very good job. But when he actually

963
00:44:10.596 --> 00:44:13.268
says lines, there's something

964
00:44:13.356 --> 00:44:16.344
about it. They always feel so rushed,

965
00:44:17.184 --> 00:44:20.168
which does not feel like something

966
00:44:20.256 --> 00:44:22.684
Aemond would do, because Eamonn's a very,

967
00:44:23.464 --> 00:44:26.160
like, fear me, I shall say

968
00:44:26.232 --> 00:44:28.284
one thing, but, like,

969
00:44:29.224 --> 00:44:31.964
yeah, he shouldn't be talking

970
00:44:32.344 --> 00:44:35.272
at a, at a faster cadence. He should be talking at

971
00:44:35.288 --> 00:44:37.324
a slower cadence because,

972
00:44:38.224 --> 00:44:41.088
like, he has all the power, I think.

973
00:44:41.136 --> 00:44:43.804
>> Will: Well, you. I think that, to your point,

974
00:44:44.134 --> 00:44:46.934
as far as the Des, you know, you notice in desperation. I think

975
00:44:46.974 --> 00:44:49.834
that's, that. I think that was the change that

976
00:44:50.294 --> 00:44:53.270
maybe not the character evolution, but I think

977
00:44:53.462 --> 00:44:55.790
given that he was, like, thrown off his rock, his,

978
00:44:55.902 --> 00:44:58.510
his, his usual cold, calculating

979
00:44:58.542 --> 00:45:01.198
himself, I think that was the point of that. This, this

980
00:45:01.246 --> 00:45:04.142
week. Yeah, you're right. He normally is very

981
00:45:04.238 --> 00:45:06.886
cool, collected ice and

982
00:45:06.910 --> 00:45:09.514
veins, but he, this week, he was just, like,

983
00:45:09.844 --> 00:45:12.184
he was frantic for him.

984
00:45:12.484 --> 00:45:15.444
>> Sarah : Yeah. And he got the most screen time that I feel like he's

985
00:45:15.484 --> 00:45:17.104
gotten in any episode.

986
00:45:18.364 --> 00:45:21.244
That's another reason why I just, I don't

987
00:45:21.324 --> 00:45:24.220
know what they're doing. I understand what they're doing with his

988
00:45:24.252 --> 00:45:27.090
character, but I'm like, You're not going to do anything more with him. Come

989
00:45:27.122 --> 00:45:29.802
on. We got all this other, these other

990
00:45:29.858 --> 00:45:32.690
characters who you've, you've taken time to flesh

991
00:45:32.762 --> 00:45:35.736
out. I mean, but, but I don't

992
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.408
know. I mean, at this point, we probably know more about

993
00:45:38.496 --> 00:45:39.654
Hugh and,

994
00:45:41.324 --> 00:45:44.224
olf. Yeah.

995
00:45:44.524 --> 00:45:46.144
So, so,

996
00:45:47.364 --> 00:45:49.532
yeah, very, very interesting.

997
00:45:49.668 --> 00:45:52.660
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Speaking of who

998
00:45:52.772 --> 00:45:55.670
and ulf and, Alan.

999
00:45:55.862 --> 00:45:58.694
Excuse me. Adam, or Atlasye. Yeah.

1000
00:45:58.734 --> 00:45:59.158
Was what?

1001
00:45:59.206 --> 00:46:00.382
>> Sarah : Yes. It's Adam.

1002
00:46:00.518 --> 00:46:01.406
>> Will: Adam. Yeah, Adam.

1003
00:46:01.470 --> 00:46:02.734
>> Sarah : The other one.

1004
00:46:02.854 --> 00:46:05.758
>> Will: Yeah, Alan's the other one. Who, like. Yeah. Who cordless

1005
00:46:05.806 --> 00:46:08.772
was offering help, and, that just didn't, didn't go quite the

1006
00:46:08.788 --> 00:46:09.652
way he wanted it to.

1007
00:46:09.708 --> 00:46:12.636
>> Sarah : Slapped him across the face. Right across the

1008
00:46:12.660 --> 00:46:13.300
face.

1009
00:46:13.492 --> 00:46:14.224
>> Will: Yeah.

1010
00:46:14.644 --> 00:46:15.732
>> Sarah : I like that scene.

1011
00:46:15.828 --> 00:46:18.460
>> Will: I like that scene, too. I like that scene, too. Cause it's

1012
00:46:18.492 --> 00:46:21.318
like, cordless, like, all this time

1013
00:46:21.366 --> 00:46:24.206
he's been Mister swagger and, you know, not, you know,

1014
00:46:24.230 --> 00:46:27.206
not claiming either one of these boys. And now. Now

1015
00:46:27.270 --> 00:46:30.178
that Renee. Renee is gone, he's like, I'm alone. I'll

1016
00:46:30.186 --> 00:46:31.974
be up. But

1017
00:46:32.834 --> 00:46:35.774
yeah, but as I was listening to,

1018
00:46:35.724 --> 00:46:38.150
the actor who plays, Allen, and he was just talking about

1019
00:46:38.182 --> 00:46:40.598
where. How you. I think it was maybe

1020
00:46:40.766 --> 00:46:43.646
the featured after the episode about how he

1021
00:46:43.670 --> 00:46:46.526
just brought that from a place playing off of. The

1022
00:46:46.550 --> 00:46:48.902
actor plays Corliss Steve to Saint

1023
00:46:48.958 --> 00:46:51.902
and how that scene sort of went. But,

1024
00:46:51.918 --> 00:46:54.790
yeah, I thought that was an excellent scene. And also just, you know, it's like,

1025
00:46:54.822 --> 00:46:57.702
basically. Basically, yeah, I work for you. That's all I

1026
00:46:57.718 --> 00:47:00.630
want from you. I work for you. I'll be your first mate.

1027
00:47:00.702 --> 00:47:03.518
But beyond that, don't. Don't try to be like

1028
00:47:03.646 --> 00:47:06.326
my father now after all these years. And

1029
00:47:06.350 --> 00:47:09.060
then, And then while we're talking about

1030
00:47:09.092 --> 00:47:12.012
Corliss, I thought his scene with. With Rhaenyra, I

1031
00:47:12.028 --> 00:47:14.796
thought was also very good and just, you know, really, you

1032
00:47:14.820 --> 00:47:17.620
know, I think things that I

1033
00:47:17.652 --> 00:47:20.436
have another thing I have missed with this show. And I

1034
00:47:20.460 --> 00:47:22.464
know, you know, obviously it's just

1035
00:47:23.844 --> 00:47:26.420
that someone had, you know, we were

1036
00:47:26.452 --> 00:47:29.332
definitely missing release

1037
00:47:29.468 --> 00:47:32.388
the second half back half of the season. Cause I really

1038
00:47:32.436 --> 00:47:34.892
think those earlier four episodes before

1039
00:47:34.948 --> 00:47:37.134
she, Before she died,

1040
00:47:38.234 --> 00:47:41.010
I will say, you know, she did bring in another level

1041
00:47:41.122 --> 00:47:44.106
to. To the quarter with the

1042
00:47:44.130 --> 00:47:46.894
blacks and. And just.

1043
00:47:46.934 --> 00:47:49.918
Just her interactions with Rhaenyra, you

1044
00:47:49.926 --> 00:47:52.344
know, I think was just, anything. Corliss, I mean,

1045
00:47:52.884 --> 00:47:55.836
she's always been sort of my MvP. You even think about

1046
00:47:55.900 --> 00:47:58.610
season one, the queen that never was, which

1047
00:47:58.642 --> 00:48:01.354
Corliss did nicely, made me shipped after

1048
00:48:01.394 --> 00:48:01.954
her.

1049
00:48:02.114 --> 00:48:02.810
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1050
00:48:02.962 --> 00:48:05.962
>> Will: Yeah. Which also, again, showed growth with him because he's, you know, he

1051
00:48:05.978 --> 00:48:08.574
went from being mister all about himself to, like,

1052
00:48:08.994 --> 00:48:10.704
you know, well,

1053
00:48:11.844 --> 00:48:13.144
trying to think of others.

1054
00:48:14.004 --> 00:48:15.694
>> Sarah : Right. I think,

1055
00:48:17.704 --> 00:48:20.576
Yeah, I really like renees, but I am. I'm

1056
00:48:20.600 --> 00:48:23.152
not. I'm not going to say that I miss her,

1057
00:48:23.248 --> 00:48:25.752
necessarily, just because with her

1058
00:48:25.808 --> 00:48:28.576
absence, we've gotten to see more

1059
00:48:28.680 --> 00:48:31.506
of Corlys, and

1060
00:48:31.610 --> 00:48:33.934
gain some new perspective on

1061
00:48:34.314 --> 00:48:36.634
the valerian family

1062
00:48:37.214 --> 00:48:40.144
as well as, Just in terms of

1063
00:48:41.364 --> 00:48:43.868
his dynamic. This

1064
00:48:43.916 --> 00:48:46.700
situation, I feel like Renees is a crutch

1065
00:48:46.812 --> 00:48:49.684
for both Corliss and Rhaenyra. So to have her

1066
00:48:49.724 --> 00:48:52.476
go further in the story would be

1067
00:48:52.540 --> 00:48:55.140
too easy. You need to kind of remove the

1068
00:48:55.172 --> 00:48:58.036
crutch. Plus,

1069
00:48:58.220 --> 00:49:01.164
this has allowed the opportunity to get Maurice

1070
00:49:01.284 --> 00:49:03.900
the. The white worm in there.

1071
00:49:04.012 --> 00:49:06.810
And, Yeah, so.

1072
00:49:06.882 --> 00:49:09.530
So I feel like they kind of exchanged.

1073
00:49:09.682 --> 00:49:11.254
>> Will: Yeah, that's true. That's fair.

1074
00:49:11.594 --> 00:49:13.658
>> Sarah : Yeah, I. Yeah.

1075
00:49:13.746 --> 00:49:16.746
>> Will: And you're right. I mean, now that you mentioned it, I mean, I do miss her, but you're

1076
00:49:16.770 --> 00:49:19.378
right. I mean, one of the things I have mentioned over the course of this

1077
00:49:19.426 --> 00:49:22.162
season, especially these back half episodes, it's Messaria

1078
00:49:22.258 --> 00:49:24.254
has stepped into that role. And

1079
00:49:25.234 --> 00:49:28.020
you're right. I mean, she was sort of a crutch that

1080
00:49:28.132 --> 00:49:30.916
I think Rhaenyra would not have had the evolution that

1081
00:49:30.940 --> 00:49:33.704
she's had if Renee was still around.

1082
00:49:34.204 --> 00:49:36.264
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Which.

1083
00:49:36.684 --> 00:49:39.588
Which has been good. And, I mean,

1084
00:49:39.716 --> 00:49:42.124
to go back to my whole thing about Eamonn, you could

1085
00:49:42.244 --> 00:49:45.116
honestly also argue that Rhaenyra hasn't changed

1086
00:49:45.140 --> 00:49:47.868
that much. Her circumstances changed this

1087
00:49:47.916 --> 00:49:50.388
season because she went from the losing

1088
00:49:50.436 --> 00:49:52.904
hand to a fair fight

1089
00:49:53.734 --> 00:49:56.086
and arguably even an upper hand.

1090
00:49:56.190 --> 00:49:59.158
But I don't know how long she'll have the upper

1091
00:49:59.206 --> 00:50:01.790
hand because of other stuff.

1092
00:50:01.862 --> 00:50:04.254
So it's. Yeah,

1093
00:50:04.334 --> 00:50:07.102
like, the season is not bad.

1094
00:50:07.158 --> 00:50:09.510
It's not atrocious, I think, any. The

1095
00:50:09.542 --> 00:50:12.446
criticism, I understand, and

1096
00:50:12.470 --> 00:50:15.446
I also believe in a lot of the

1097
00:50:15.470 --> 00:50:18.374
criticism that the finale. But I don't feel like it's

1098
00:50:18.414 --> 00:50:20.786
fair to then just cast that across the full

1099
00:50:20.870 --> 00:50:21.426
season.

1100
00:50:21.570 --> 00:50:22.334
>> Will: Yeah.

1101
00:50:22.474 --> 00:50:25.304
>> Sarah : there. There's been more seasons of television,

1102
00:50:25.724 --> 00:50:28.108
but I can also understand people's

1103
00:50:28.156 --> 00:50:30.024
frustration just because

1104
00:50:32.404 --> 00:50:35.404
this is truly the extended cliffhanger of season

1105
00:50:35.484 --> 00:50:38.252
one, and they had the

1106
00:50:38.268 --> 00:50:41.060
audacity of putting a freaking montage in, and

1107
00:50:41.092 --> 00:50:41.484
it's like.

1108
00:50:41.524 --> 00:50:42.380
>> Will: We know.

1109
00:50:42.532 --> 00:50:45.228
>> Sarah : We understand. Okay. Like,

1110
00:50:45.356 --> 00:50:48.126
let's go. Because it only took you

1111
00:50:48.150 --> 00:50:51.030
eight episodes to do this, and now it's take you two

1112
00:50:51.062 --> 00:50:53.774
and a half years before we get the actual thing

1113
00:50:53.894 --> 00:50:55.954
that we were promised. Okay.

1114
00:50:57.014 --> 00:50:59.950
>> Will: Yeah. And we found out what happened, why Otto was in the dungeon.

1115
00:50:59.982 --> 00:51:00.594
Yeah.

1116
00:51:01.254 --> 00:51:04.070
>> Sarah : And see, that was another weird thing. There was

1117
00:51:04.102 --> 00:51:07.034
that clip of that, and I'm just sitting here, like,

1118
00:51:07.614 --> 00:51:10.182
why? Why? Why? Excuse me?

1119
00:51:10.238 --> 00:51:13.022
Because two and a half years from now, I'm not going to remember

1120
00:51:13.078 --> 00:51:15.914
Otto was in a dungeon. Or be like, what happened?

1121
00:51:16.694 --> 00:51:17.994
>> Will: That's why you have me.

1122
00:51:19.514 --> 00:51:22.314
I'll remind you. I'll be like, hey, Sarah, don't forget. He was in the dungeon.

1123
00:51:22.474 --> 00:51:25.378
Yeah. And Raina was like, you know,

1124
00:51:25.426 --> 00:51:28.426
finally, the one thing

1125
00:51:28.450 --> 00:51:30.654
that did bother me, I will say, was that

1126
00:51:31.154 --> 00:51:34.002
Rhaena did not get the sheep. the sheep. The

1127
00:51:34.018 --> 00:51:35.194
sheep dragon. Yeah.

1128
00:51:35.234 --> 00:51:36.934
>> Sarah : Oh, God, that.

1129
00:51:37.674 --> 00:51:40.314
Jeez. It's just this

1130
00:51:40.354 --> 00:51:43.154
whole season with that character, and

1131
00:51:43.234 --> 00:51:46.146
I will be honest. For some reason. For

1132
00:51:46.170 --> 00:51:48.996
some reason, this is probably the better of me. I did

1133
00:51:49.020 --> 00:51:51.772
not pay much attention to her and what was going

1134
00:51:51.828 --> 00:51:53.940
on, so I was not that invested.

1135
00:51:54.052 --> 00:51:54.484
>> Will: Yeah.

1136
00:51:54.772 --> 00:51:56.556
>> Sarah : But I feel for people who work.

1137
00:51:56.700 --> 00:51:59.298
>> Will: Yeah. How do you do? yeah. Because I was like, okay.

1138
00:52:00.376 --> 00:52:03.312
So, yeah, she's like, yeah, yeah,

1139
00:52:03.344 --> 00:52:05.176
we're not gonna get anything. Okay. All right.

1140
00:52:05.216 --> 00:52:08.200
>> Sarah : But a really cool way to end it.

1141
00:52:08.248 --> 00:52:11.128
Like, she finally gets that dragon. Or like,

1142
00:52:11.272 --> 00:52:14.080
maybe she's looking up and like, the dragon's over

1143
00:52:14.128 --> 00:52:16.784
and we don't see the dragon, but we hear it like

1144
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:17.824
that and cool.

1145
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:20.664
>> Will: I would have been better, but to have them, like, they're in the field

1146
00:52:20.720 --> 00:52:23.600
together looking at it, I was like, yes. And then,

1147
00:52:23.728 --> 00:52:26.576
yeah. So that I will. That, that was, that was definitely

1148
00:52:26.616 --> 00:52:29.158
a demerit. for me, for sure.

1149
00:52:29.302 --> 00:52:32.198
>> Sarah : Yeah. I mean, it took one episode for Ulf and he would

1150
00:52:32.222 --> 00:52:35.086
to get a dragon. Like, come on, why is it making her

1151
00:52:35.126 --> 00:52:37.946
like three or four? This is so weird.

1152
00:52:40.446 --> 00:52:43.086
It's, Yeah. I, I am

1153
00:52:43.126 --> 00:52:46.018
glad that, that we had

1154
00:52:46.042 --> 00:52:49.042
fun this season. I wish it

1155
00:52:49.074 --> 00:52:51.442
was two episodes longer. Don't get me

1156
00:52:51.554 --> 00:52:54.426
wrong, I think

1157
00:52:54.466 --> 00:52:57.418
this season could have been better with an extra

1158
00:52:57.482 --> 00:52:58.686
two episodes.

1159
00:53:00.156 --> 00:53:02.964
but dragons are expensive, so I get it. I

1160
00:53:03.020 --> 00:53:04.172
totally understand.

1161
00:53:04.364 --> 00:53:07.196
>> Will: Yeah. Because if they had

1162
00:53:07.236 --> 00:53:10.068
tried to force that battle and it had subpar special

1163
00:53:10.132 --> 00:53:12.996
effects, you know, we both would have been ripping it apart.

1164
00:53:15.096 --> 00:53:17.768
>> Sarah : Yeah. Well, I would have said one thing

1165
00:53:17.952 --> 00:53:20.704
and then I would have moved on because I don't really

1166
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:23.760
care about the battle. Like, the battles, to me are

1167
00:53:23.808 --> 00:53:26.800
not like, I really like the politics of it all,

1168
00:53:26.928 --> 00:53:29.632
to me. And I guess, and you could argo

1169
00:53:29.664 --> 00:53:32.600
this argue, well, then why didn't you like or ask,

1170
00:53:32.648 --> 00:53:35.280
why didn't you like this season? Because it was very political.

1171
00:53:35.408 --> 00:53:38.322
Like, politics heavy. Yeah, I

1172
00:53:38.354 --> 00:53:41.282
like politics of this show.

1173
00:53:41.434 --> 00:53:43.802
But for whatever reason, I was not

1174
00:53:43.834 --> 00:53:46.698
entertained by these because they kept, I'm just like, we're

1175
00:53:46.722 --> 00:53:49.674
just circling here. Like it

1176
00:53:49.690 --> 00:53:52.594
would just, we're just circling circle in

1177
00:53:52.650 --> 00:53:55.082
and it's just, to me, it wasn't

1178
00:53:55.154 --> 00:53:57.826
that the pieces and how they were coming

1179
00:53:57.866 --> 00:54:00.566
together was not as fascinating,

1180
00:54:01.826 --> 00:54:04.676
as in seasons prior to, like,

1181
00:54:05.016 --> 00:54:07.976
and, and I've said this and I hate,

1182
00:54:08.096 --> 00:54:10.876
hate to overstate this, but

1183
00:54:11.256 --> 00:54:13.808
it. There was an absence of tension.

1184
00:54:13.992 --> 00:54:16.510
There just was, for whatever reason,

1185
00:54:16.678 --> 00:54:19.446
even though it just, the

1186
00:54:19.486 --> 00:54:22.470
stakes weren't there for me this season. I'm not, I'm not

1187
00:54:22.518 --> 00:54:25.110
Kristian Cole who wakes up in a field of

1188
00:54:25.198 --> 00:54:28.078
active fire and been like, oh, my God,

1189
00:54:28.142 --> 00:54:31.106
we're, we're marching into annihilation. No,

1190
00:54:31.536 --> 00:54:34.488
like, and

1191
00:54:34.512 --> 00:54:36.076
I guess maybe it's because

1192
00:54:37.296 --> 00:54:39.680
I, I

1193
00:54:39.728 --> 00:54:42.664
under, I'm not afraid of

1194
00:54:42.680 --> 00:54:45.360
the dragons. I think what the

1195
00:54:45.408 --> 00:54:48.176
people who are making decisions should

1196
00:54:48.216 --> 00:54:51.208
be far more feared just because I

1197
00:54:51.232 --> 00:54:54.112
mean, a decision Damon makes in the first episode

1198
00:54:54.144 --> 00:54:56.592
leads to a little boy's head getting cut off. Come on.

1199
00:54:56.624 --> 00:54:57.392
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

1200
00:54:57.424 --> 00:55:00.232
>> Sarah : Like, that. That was. That was really cool. And

1201
00:55:00.264 --> 00:55:03.064
then added some tension, but then slowly,

1202
00:55:03.200 --> 00:55:05.656
very quickly dissipated very

1203
00:55:05.736 --> 00:55:06.368
quickly.

1204
00:55:06.472 --> 00:55:08.944
>> Will: Yeah. So, yeah, yeah,

1205
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:11.640
I can. I think that's. That's totally fair.

1206
00:55:11.688 --> 00:55:14.676
And, you know, and to compare within

1207
00:55:15.296 --> 00:55:17.814
season one to season two. yeah, I mean, I think

1208
00:55:17.870 --> 00:55:20.016
that's. I hear what you're saying.

1209
00:55:20.646 --> 00:55:23.226
for me, I think I.

1210
00:55:23.526 --> 00:55:26.358
I do like

1211
00:55:26.382 --> 00:55:29.106
season one better. I will say that, too.

1212
00:55:29.166 --> 00:55:31.586
but, But,

1213
00:55:32.146 --> 00:55:35.058
I don't think this, but I think you're all. You made a good point

1214
00:55:35.122 --> 00:55:38.050
that I think a lot of people are casting

1215
00:55:38.098 --> 00:55:40.802
aspersions on the entire season just based off of

1216
00:55:40.834 --> 00:55:43.410
their being let down by the finale, which I think is

1217
00:55:43.458 --> 00:55:46.074
unfair, because for me, I think

1218
00:55:46.130 --> 00:55:49.044
this. I found the politics, and I found

1219
00:55:49.100 --> 00:55:51.776
that there were a lot of growth

1220
00:55:52.716 --> 00:55:55.604
from most of

1221
00:55:55.620 --> 00:55:58.390
the characters this season, to

1222
00:55:58.438 --> 00:56:01.062
really set up the tent where I

1223
00:56:01.094 --> 00:56:03.346
feel I have anticipation

1224
00:56:03.766 --> 00:56:06.306
for the upcoming season

1225
00:56:08.886 --> 00:56:11.534
of all the table setting and

1226
00:56:11.630 --> 00:56:14.386
seeing how these characters got to where they are.

1227
00:56:16.326 --> 00:56:19.150
I am now ready for what's to come,

1228
00:56:19.238 --> 00:56:22.174
and I think I will appreciate what's to come more

1229
00:56:22.310 --> 00:56:25.030
in this civil war. To your point

1230
00:56:25.078 --> 00:56:27.026
earlier, you know, this,

1231
00:56:28.896 --> 00:56:31.296
this is a battle of basically one

1232
00:56:31.336 --> 00:56:34.136
family. Unlike Game of Thrones, where, as you noted,

1233
00:56:34.216 --> 00:56:36.912
you have multiple people vying for the iron

1234
00:56:36.944 --> 00:56:39.528
throne here it is just, you know, it is, at its

1235
00:56:39.552 --> 00:56:42.056
core just a civil war within the Targaryen

1236
00:56:42.096 --> 00:56:44.576
family. So,

1237
00:56:46.206 --> 00:56:49.158
I am looking forward to what's to

1238
00:56:49.182 --> 00:56:52.174
come because I feel like now I understand all

1239
00:56:52.190 --> 00:56:54.926
the motivations, all the cuts, all the

1240
00:56:54.966 --> 00:56:57.726
hurts. Sons for a son, et cetera, et

1241
00:56:57.726 --> 00:56:59.786
cetera. Now let's.

1242
00:57:00.286 --> 00:57:03.158
Now let's see how this unfolds

1243
00:57:03.182 --> 00:57:05.782
on the battlefield. And, of course, we'll still continue to

1244
00:57:05.814 --> 00:57:08.352
have more politics and more

1245
00:57:08.534 --> 00:57:11.508
treachery and. And side, you

1246
00:57:11.532 --> 00:57:14.484
know, and. And side switching and

1247
00:57:14.500 --> 00:57:17.412
all that kind of stuff as. As the winds prevail

1248
00:57:17.564 --> 00:57:19.842
and, Yeah, over the next two

1249
00:57:19.874 --> 00:57:20.606
seasons.

1250
00:57:21.026 --> 00:57:23.642
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. In the

1251
00:57:23.794 --> 00:57:25.474
distant, distant future.

1252
00:57:25.650 --> 00:57:26.806
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

1253
00:57:27.506 --> 00:57:30.280
>> Sarah : on that note, will, why do you tell our listeners where they can find

1254
00:57:30.328 --> 00:57:30.944
you?

1255
00:57:31.120 --> 00:57:33.632
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on x formally

1256
00:57:33.664 --> 00:57:36.572
donuthenne as Twitter. Back me at

1257
00:57:36.764 --> 00:57:37.846
will impulc,

1258
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:40.840
willmmpolk.

1259
00:57:40.968 --> 00:57:43.136
>> Sarah : And you can find me there, too, at sjbelmont

1260
00:57:43.176 --> 00:57:46.112
sjblmont. Please follow crew there at

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