Paradise on Hulu Ep. 6: Game-Changing Revelation & Is Captain America 4 Really That Bad?

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>> Sarah : Greetings nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host Sarah Belmont and

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with me as always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are you doing

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tonight, Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah How are you doing this evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm doing good.

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So we got confirmation that the last of us is

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returning on April 14.

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>> Will: 13Th.

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>> Sarah : 13Th. 13th. Got it.

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>> Will: Yeah. That Sunday, which we, you know, we anticipate, that was our

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bet as well that they would do it the week after

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the White Lotus season three ends.

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So so yeah, we, we got.

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>> Sarah : That news today and they're having seven

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episodes.

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>> Will: I don't recall how many episodes. That sounds about

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right though, I think. Let me just check the.

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>> Sarah : I, I was looking at IMDb earlier and

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it looked like. Which is a weird

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number. I don't, I

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don't know how to feel about an odd number

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of tele. Of episodes in a

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season. It's just a

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strange thing. I don't know how

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to feel about it. But we always complain

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when they stretch out things too long anyway

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so they can tell the

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story or whatever part of the

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story because it's not going to tell the

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full story of the second game.

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But they're gonna, they

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have it designed to tell the portion that they

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want to tell with these seven episodes.

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So.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. And to that point I know the showrunner

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did tell, it's detail a

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deadline that they were possibly gonna

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have four, seasons. Totally.

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>> Sarah : So interesting.

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Okay.

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>> Will: Okay. Yeah. So, yeah.

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>> Sarah : So that makes m. Sense really

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milking it are we?

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>> Will: Oh yeah. Oh yeah, I know like whenever the sec.

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The first season ended they. Truck

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Ridge and the other Craig,

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I'm blanking on his last name right now. Did mention that they

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were, you know, they were going to probably stretch out the part

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two, for, for some time. So.

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Yeah. But I guess season two is going to take place

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five at least in, in within the universe five

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years after season, one. So.

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Yeah, yeah. And, and, and,

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and to their credit they're not like dropping too many

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spoilers or if they are, I'm just like doing a

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good job of avoiding them on social media or whatever.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, well, I, I feel like there's a

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code at this point, with this

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show because it, it really, it's all, all of the

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spoilers are out there.

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>> Will: Yeah, true, true.

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>> Sarah : It's not an original thing, so it's based off

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of something that has already occurred.

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And so I, but I

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just feel like the way season

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one was pulled off, there's kind of

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like you're not, you're not gonna. If

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you do know what happens, you don't

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want to be chit chatting with somebody who doesn't

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know because you want them to experience the

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story. It's kind of like you don't

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want to ruin that for anyone.

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And I think people who, who do know what's

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going to happen and enjoyed season one

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are going into season two just like. Okay, so

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I have my expectations. I'm

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curious how they're going to.

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The changes, you know, the deviations

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and the surprises. Because they, they did.

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They made a lot of changes that first

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season. Not to a

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detriment though, but to a

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strength. they made the right

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changes. and I

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think why we got that,

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especially in comparison to other

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adapted works, whether it be from

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a game or a book, is that you

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have as ah, showrunners, you have

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a. The creator of the game

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and then you also have a

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really well rounded

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who's like, it's like the perfect

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melding, who in both, in their own

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ways care about the story and

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And at the end of the day that's. That's what it comes down to.

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So, yeah, looking forward to that

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come April because April, we're.

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We're as we. As we round out

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February and head into March. March, we're

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gonna. We're. It's not gonna be a dull March.

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I mean we got Daredevil born again.

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and. But. But come April, it's just

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not. Luckily there's still a break. It's

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really the end of April where it's just like,

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okay, okay. And then, and then.

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Okay, yeah, yeah, we're.

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>> Will: We're gonna, we're gonna do some scheduling blocks. Y.

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Yeah. where. No, Last of us.

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Definitely. We'll probably move back to Tuesday night. Just go ahead and let

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you know now

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when we record. So expect the podcast to drop late

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Tuesday or Wednesday depending on your time zone. and

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then also, yeah, and then

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of course there's Andor. And. And of course we'll have

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to factor in Daredevil. So. Yeah, we. We have a

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lot to. We'll have a lot to talk about.

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>> Sarah : but before we get into what we're talking about

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tonight, you, Why

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don't we do the Black History Month?

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So actually. And this one

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actually ties into one of the topics that

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we're going to be, well, discussed tonight. Well, maybe not

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the topic, but one of the actors. The movie that we're covering

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tonight, of course, which is Captain, America,

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Brave, New World. And the show that

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I'm going to talk about that

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features actor Carl Lumbly is a

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show that was it that premiered on the Fox

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network in the early 90s. m. Mid. Early to mid

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90s called Mantis. That

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was a show that was. Was originally

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a two hour pilot that was produced by Sam

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Raimi. And The

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character in the show that Carl Lumbley was

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only. It was only on for one season and aired in

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1994 and then got canceled on

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Fox and then the final two episodes aired in

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1997 on the Sci Fi Channel.

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But The. The character the show was called

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Mantis and it was an African American scientist who.

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His name was Dr. Mels Hawkins. And this is actually a show I watched

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real time whenever when it first aired and

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really really enjoyed it. and he He was a

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scientist who was injured

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by bullet. he was paralyzed.

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develops a. An exoskeleton that

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neurotransmitter interception

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system. And it basically allowed him to you know

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obviously walk and of course he became a crime fighter. And

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the show in its early stages really like

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the pilot really you know touched on a lot of just issues

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as far as police brutality. Had a pretty you know a.

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Many African American actors also were

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part of the show in that. Well part of the.

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At least what in the initial pilot movie.

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But then when it went to series, a lot of those folks

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were not kept on when it went to series.

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Show was pretty grounded at first with a lot of

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topical issues that Dr.

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Hawkins would face as far as You know

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obviously issues with. And social issues during

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the time. But As the season

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progressed the. The tone of the show shifted. And

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I remember this too because I was like man, it went from being very like

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and grounded and. And to

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more true sci fi

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fantasy time travel elements.

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yeah. And of course it was. They did that retooling of course

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because you know it was a ratings thing. And And then of course

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like I said it only lasted for one season. But But yeah, but Carl

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Lindley was The play Dr. Miles Hawkins.

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And you know you may be able to find it on YouTube or

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clips or something like that out there. But you know as far as

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like on streaming services. I don't know if it's

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like currently on any right now.

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But But yeah, but if you do search it

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out. I mean, it's overall, as I said, it was

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a very. I do remember it. Very enjoyable show,

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especially the first half of it. Second half was a little more wonky.

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But, But yeah, is that. That was

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something I wanted to highlight tonight,

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especially given the role that, you know, Carl

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Lindley plays now in the MCU as, Isaiah

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Ratley.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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so. So basically you're recommending something that. But

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you don't know where it is, where people can find it.

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>> Will: Well, you could probably find it on, like, digital, like, you know, physical

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media, right?

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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>> Will: Yeah. But not necessarily on digital media.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I just. I found that to

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be funny.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, there's a lot of things that are out there like that.

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That's why physical media. Don't give me on a soapbox about

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pay physical media and why, you know, get your

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DVD and, you know, Blu Rays when you can,

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because otherwise you're at the whims of a streaming

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service.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, you really are. It's.

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I. I still have, like, all

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of my DVDs. Like, at one point, I have

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the entire Friends series on dvd.

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I mean, or I have not the

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entire. I have the good early seasons

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of Grey's Anatomy on dvd. I

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have. I think I have a few Vampire Diaries. Yeah.

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the CW world. but

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I think. I think then I switched to.

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I didn't go too far down there before

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switching to more digital media and buying

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seasons of tv.

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but anyway.

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>> Will: Well, yeah, before we jump, you can't find it on. It is on

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>> Sarah : Okay. Okay, that's.

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Yeah, that's good to know.

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All right, well. Well, yeah, but I mean,

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let's. We don't have to jump too far because you already

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brought him up and he does play a

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critical part in Captain America 4

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Brave New World. The. The IMDb

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summary is Sam Wilson, the new Captain America,

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finds himself in the middle of an international incident

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and must discover the motive behind a nefarious

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global plan. That's not really

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what it's.

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>> Will: One version of.

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>> Sarah : It was kind of. Kind of.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I wonder what the Hulk. The Incredible

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Hulk 2 summary will be.

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Would be. All right, Will, do you

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want to go like,

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points or do you want to share your overall

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thoughts? How do you want to. This.

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>> Will: Yeah, I mean, I guess we could just go overall faults

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maybe. I like the. You know, we can just

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go through how you. How you broke it down on your rundown because I

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think, you know, overall thoughts

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of the film is in. I

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liked it. I mean, I really did. I. I thought it was. It. I. I shared

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this, on my. Out of theater that I

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posted on our channel, that I thought it

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was an entertaining film. Thought it was a good film. I mean.

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Yeah, I mean, there. There were definitely elements of it

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that had its problems, but,

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But overall, I mean, I don't think it's

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as bad as some people out there are

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saying it is, but, you know, is it a home

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run? No, it's not either. But, you know, it's a. This is a

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good, solid film. And that's sort of my overall

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thoughts, about the film itself. And we can then. Yeah,

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we can. I like to. Yeah, then we can just get

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into some of the sort of bigger themes of the film.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. this isn't a bad movie. It's not a great

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movie. I don't think it's worth going to the theater for.

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>> Will: Yes, I disagree. I think it's actually worth going to the theater

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for.

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>> Sarah : No, because of the cherry blossom scene.

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That CGI was awful.

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That piece was just so bad.

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>> Will: Yeah. Now if you

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want to say it's not worth going to the theater because basically the.

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The finale was just, like, revealed, which is, like, one of my

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biggest problems. One of the biggest problems with the film

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was revealed pretty much like from

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the trailer and then like, every single

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promo through, that. That.

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>> Sarah : That's.

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>> Will: That's one of the biggest problems I have with it because I think it

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just undercut what could have been a,

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you know, better

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reveal. One and. And two. Just, you

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know, also just decimated the stakes. Because every

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time, you know, I was just like, I. I guess

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while I was enjoying the film, I'm like, okay, now

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when is, you know, when is Hulk coming? Because they,

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you know, is it going to be. Well, you know, I thought

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maybe. Okay, that was like, you know, clearly the.

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I thought maybe we'll get more than just one grand

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finale of Hulk and. And the.

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And the, third act there. But, you know, I was like, thinking maybe,

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you know, maybe one of those other two moments when. When

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Ross was, like, trying

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to keep it together. You know, maybe we would get it. Get

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a Hulk sighting then, but nope, we didn't.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. I. After maybe the

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first time they tried to paint the

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picture that he was about to burst, I was like,

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oh, that's going to be the final act. Okay,

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got it.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Interesting. Interesting

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choice. All of this drama, especially

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during the second act,

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or I don't know what you would call it.

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The, because it's not the ending act. The ending act

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is called Versus Captain America. The,

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the precluding ending act

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is, the, the whole trying

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to get fight, at

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Celestial Island.

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>> Will: Yes.

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>> Sarah : So no, I, My,

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my whole thing is

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when I say I don't recommend, like,

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I don't think you need to go to the theater. It's

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like, I only went to the theater to watch this

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movie because

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we're covering it at the same

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time, walking out of it. It's like, okay, would I have

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actually gone out of my way, to go

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see this? No. No, I wouldn't have. And

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I, and I don't. And it's

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just, it's just my feeling like I don't, I don't feel

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like. And I watched this in imax, by the way.

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Maybe that's also why I, it was the

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earliest showing.

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : So I was like, it might as well. so maybe that's

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why the design of it. and

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everyone's. All the criticism that's out there about the

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CGI and some of the editing

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choices, like, I saw very

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clearly, too clearly.

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so, so maybe, maybe that's also why

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it's just like, I don't know. Now, that being

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said, like, in my

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opinion, arguably, and I don't

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mean to offend Will or anything. I

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think if you like, this is a kid

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friendly movie, this is a perfect family movie.

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Go, take your kids. Like young boys would love

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this movie. So would girls. But

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I, for, for an, for me,

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my age range, I don't think this is

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any, that anything

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special to that point.

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>> Will: I mean, you have a point there. I mean, I think the,

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one of the metrics for that's been tracking this

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film has shown that younger audiences did like

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this film more than older audiences. And I think, yeah,

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so I mean that's, that's a fair thing to say because it

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really was a very, you know, when you think

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it was very cartoonish in a lot of ways. as far as with

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the, the action sets, points.

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and you know, and, and another thing

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that like I said, it was entertaining, but it

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was also very,

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And maybe this is just where we are as just

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viewers of this franchise at this

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point. where it's just like we want more

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because we are older as far as viewers

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and more depth, more depth of story

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because like they would like, you know, they were

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trying to touch on like the political thriller themes. They were

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trying to pick up on the, you know,

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Sam's struggle. You

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know, we did we saw the struggle with him in the story, you

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know, becoming the, the black captain in America.

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We saw that in Falcon and Winter Soldier. So, yeah,

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so, you know, when we get to this film, he's clearly like,

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accepted. I mean, the man's got like, you know, headquarters.

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He's not like getting denied for bank loans anymore. So.

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So, so, you know, so

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all that kind of stuff, we,

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people, he's quote unquote, made

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it. but whenever they were

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trying to dig into the stories

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of whenever he and Isaiah were having the

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philosophical discussion again that was brought up in Falcon

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and Winter Soldier was doing much better in that one.

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as far as the,

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you know, whatever.

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Now Sam is like, is he working for Ross? You know, a country

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that. And in all the things that Ross represents

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or, or

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are you your own, are you on your own person? You

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know, they just, they like, they dance around

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it, but they don't like really do anything

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with it. To me. And it was, you know, I was sitting

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there and I was just like, give me a little bit more. Because I was just

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like, I want more. Go into that more. And it's just like

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this, this film just sort of. Whether it was that

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or just the political thriller aspect that they were trying to get to,

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it was just sort of, you know, dancing at the top of the

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levels and didn't. And it wasn't surface deep.

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>> Sarah : Right, right. They had the kid friendly

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gloves on.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : and that's, that's like

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a big problem with this film is

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that when you say

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entertained for me, I was like. I

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don't know if I can truly say I was entertained.

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Like I said, I don't think it's a bad mov.

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I definitely don't know.

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I can't.

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I keep comparing it to Love and

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Thunder just because,

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>> Will: Okay.

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>> Sarah : I mean, no matter what you think about

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that movie, my experience as

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an audience member was just

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having a big smile on my face because for some

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reason Chris Hemsworth's comedy

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like, like just does it for me and

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Tyco Waiki's comedy. So

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the dramatic plot points

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and the, the villain, horrible.

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Like on the same level as, in my opinion, the

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villain in this movie. But

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it was the comedy where I was like, oh, yeah, it's not a

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great movie, but I was entertained

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this movie. Okay. I didn't laugh

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one single time. Nobody in my audience

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laughed a single time. And

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I just, I was not. I can't

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really full heartedly say I was entertained

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because I kept getting distracted by things.

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Mainly the fact That I wasn't laughing at jokes and

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thinking in my head that, like,

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I don't know why that didn't work for me, but

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I see you marvel humor, and I don't know what you're

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doing right now. but. But it was

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just. It was mainly distracting

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because I

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felt like, Joaquin Torres was in a different

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movie. And then I kept getting

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distracted by

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Ruth. because I'm a

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short person. Okay? I'm. I'm five, six.

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I'm short. Okay. I'm, average

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for female or borderline. I don't know, but

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I know I'm short. So the whole time I'm thinking, I'm

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like, I need to figure out how short she is

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because I need to make sure she's shorter than me.

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You're distractingly small,

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Harrison. Like, they didn't even try to hide

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it. Like, she's five two. But

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she, like you. I mean, I know

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Scarlett Johansson is short, but

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she doesn't appear that short on

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screen. So, like, whether they

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use, like, what they do with Tom Cruise apple

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boxes. But. But she. They did not

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try to hide it. And it was just very distracting to

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me. On top of, like,

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so you're just gonna throw out there that

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she's like, red room

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trained, former black widow, but also

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the head of the security, which was just

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an awkward scene of like, I just had an

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assassination temp on me. I'm in a room

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with all of these. All of my, cabinet

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members. And then Captain America comes in. Everyone

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out. He stays. She comes in. Nope,

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she's staying too. It's like, what? What?

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>> Will: Yeah, man. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I mean, weird and clunky.

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>> Will: Yeah, it was clunky. Well, also, I think, too, it's just

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the. To me

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that her edits

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were actually, to me,

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more distracting.

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and of. Of like, where then

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the Giancarlo Esposito

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reshoots. Because to your point, you know,

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they. Because of the nature of this character, one, they were

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like, okay, we can't piss anybody. You know, it's just like, you

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know, I think they were allowing real world

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geopolitical things going on with Israel, Gaza,

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and other stuff.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah.

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>> Will: To like, you know, influence, like,

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oh, okay, so we can't piss off. We can't piss off X

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number of crowd by making Sam too blacky black. We can't

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piss off Israel, you know, Israelis or

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God or Palestinians because of the, you know, conflict

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there. So, I mean, it was, you know, so those kind of

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mish. Those kind of things that were, you know, done

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to this Film, especially given how long it's like

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going. Taking. it. You know, those are. Those.

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That was for me, like even more

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apparent, given no one's. No one

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Cyrus backstory,

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why they went there. I was like, oh, gosh, yeah,

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that, that kind of stuff was just like, yeah, that.

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Come on, y'all just, just grow up here. We're. We.

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We're adults in the room. You don't. You know,

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if you can handle this.

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>> Sarah : If you're gonna bring it to the table, then do it.

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Don't. You can't. You can't do. Go halfway with this

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stuff. Like, either she's that character or she's not.

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>> Will: Right?

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>> Sarah : And, and, and by.

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That's where the whole commentary that this is a watered

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down version of, whether it be

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Captain America, Civil War, or even

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Winter Soldier itself

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because you're afraid to bring in the

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original ideas,

509
00:23:40,782 --> 00:23:42,928
you are therefore

510
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:46,102
reverting inadvertently back to

511
00:23:46,272 --> 00:23:49,242
things we've Scene before. Yeah, and. And

512
00:23:49,282 --> 00:23:52,154
I mean that like, like that was

513
00:23:52,178 --> 00:23:55,162
also disappointing is to watch it and just be like,

514
00:23:55,202 --> 00:23:58,026
okay, so, yeah, it's a new Captain

515
00:23:58,074 --> 00:24:00,842
America. But we're going through the same

516
00:24:00,882 --> 00:24:02,742
beats here, like

517
00:24:04,242 --> 00:24:06,634
in the last two movies. And,

518
00:24:06,818 --> 00:24:09,626
and they, they were more entertaining

519
00:24:09,754 --> 00:24:12,482
because, not, not because they

520
00:24:12,522 --> 00:24:15,506
didn't go there with some of the stuff, but just because

521
00:24:15,594 --> 00:24:18,050
of the. It was, it felt more

522
00:24:18,106 --> 00:24:20,622
fresh too at the time.

523
00:24:21,112 --> 00:24:23,984
but. And I also think it's. I like

524
00:24:24,008 --> 00:24:26,624
how you brought up the impact of

525
00:24:26,728 --> 00:24:29,408
current political issues on

526
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,968
this movie because of

527
00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:35,120
the, the wanting it to be more

528
00:24:35,176 --> 00:24:36,872
grounded and,

529
00:24:38,442 --> 00:24:40,690
and tap into that political filler

530
00:24:40,786 --> 00:24:43,478
thriller. it almost worked

531
00:24:43,670 --> 00:24:46,162
itself into a detriment because.

532
00:24:46,702 --> 00:24:49,622
Because, I mean, you have that impact. And

533
00:24:49,662 --> 00:24:52,562
at the same time, like,

534
00:24:53,982 --> 00:24:56,582
we're talking Winter

535
00:24:56,662 --> 00:24:59,430
Soldier and Civil War were like in stage

536
00:24:59,526 --> 00:25:01,962
four, phase two, Marvel

537
00:25:02,382 --> 00:25:04,500
2. And yeah, yeah, they were

538
00:25:04,556 --> 00:25:07,332
sequels of like the

539
00:25:07,372 --> 00:25:10,004
first Avenger movie. And we've already had the

540
00:25:10,028 --> 00:25:12,522
Avengers. And so what I'm getting at,

541
00:25:13,412 --> 00:25:15,512
you're going to present this during

542
00:25:15,972 --> 00:25:18,924
Phase four or whatever phase we're in.

543
00:25:18,948 --> 00:25:19,180
Right.

544
00:25:19,236 --> 00:25:20,382
>> Will: I don't even know what phase we're in.

545
00:25:20,382 --> 00:25:23,148
>> Sarah : M. Yeah, yeah. Like phase four and a half.

546
00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:24,572
>> Will: Five. I mean, six.

547
00:25:24,692 --> 00:25:27,628
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. And at this point, we've

548
00:25:27,660 --> 00:25:30,634
gone to space so many times. Like, how many times have we

549
00:25:30,658 --> 00:25:33,382
been to space? How many times? Like,

550
00:25:34,322 --> 00:25:37,146
it's. It's interesting if you follow

551
00:25:37,314 --> 00:25:40,090
following this franchise and really look at it,

552
00:25:40,226 --> 00:25:43,146
to see how a movie

553
00:25:43,194 --> 00:25:45,578
like this and a movie like Black

554
00:25:45,650 --> 00:25:48,630
Widow have, that are

555
00:25:48,686 --> 00:25:51,558
meant to be more grounded and meant. It's

556
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:54,420
like, yeah, but they're in, phases

557
00:25:54,616 --> 00:25:57,324
where all of this, like, larger

558
00:25:57,388 --> 00:26:00,172
than life spectacle stuff. And so

559
00:26:00,292 --> 00:26:01,672
I feel like,

560
00:26:04,072 --> 00:26:06,240
as a fan or a viewer of this

561
00:26:06,296 --> 00:26:08,224
franchise, it's kind of

562
00:26:08,248 --> 00:26:10,816
disorienting to go from

563
00:26:10,904 --> 00:26:13,600
space to home and

564
00:26:13,656 --> 00:26:16,224
also at a period where

565
00:26:16,408 --> 00:26:18,416
Endgame has already, like, post

566
00:26:18,504 --> 00:26:20,938
endgame, and you're just like,

567
00:26:21,010 --> 00:26:23,402
okay, so when's the last time we've been on

568
00:26:23,442 --> 00:26:26,362
Earth? And also when

569
00:26:26,402 --> 00:26:29,050
is the last time where we,

570
00:26:29,186 --> 00:26:32,154
like for this movie, what's going on with

571
00:26:32,178 --> 00:26:34,650
America? Who are our

572
00:26:34,706 --> 00:26:37,642
people and how are

573
00:26:37,682 --> 00:26:40,426
the superhero people being treated?

574
00:26:40,554 --> 00:26:42,942
I think a big misstep,

575
00:26:43,562 --> 00:26:46,522
that we have yet to talk about is

576
00:26:47,462 --> 00:26:50,446
by bringing in back Thunderbolt

577
00:26:50,494 --> 00:26:52,526
Ross and doing the Red Hulk

578
00:26:52,574 --> 00:26:55,406
storyline, they really made it

579
00:26:55,494 --> 00:26:57,886
into the sequel to the

580
00:26:57,894 --> 00:26:59,966
Incredible Hulk. Like, that whole

581
00:27:00,014 --> 00:27:02,878
storyline. I've never watched the Incredible

582
00:27:02,910 --> 00:27:05,812
Hulk. but I know

583
00:27:05,852 --> 00:27:08,372
Liv Tyler's in it. I do know that

584
00:27:08,412 --> 00:27:10,986
much. and

585
00:27:11,154 --> 00:27:14,074
I know other characters who are in it who are different in

586
00:27:14,098 --> 00:27:16,890
this movie. But I

587
00:27:16,946 --> 00:27:19,462
think that the misstep is

588
00:27:20,162 --> 00:27:22,742
doing that and not

589
00:27:23,042 --> 00:27:24,902
really making it about

590
00:27:25,682 --> 00:27:28,522
his involvement with the Sokovia

591
00:27:28,602 --> 00:27:31,290
Accords and what that

592
00:27:31,346 --> 00:27:33,594
means post endgame.

593
00:27:33,738 --> 00:27:36,674
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Because they did.

594
00:27:36,698 --> 00:27:39,570
They dropped the Sokovia Accords in there, you know,

595
00:27:39,626 --> 00:27:42,222
and, and, and so

596
00:27:42,522 --> 00:27:45,442
whenever Sam, Whenever they had the whole, you're not

597
00:27:45,482 --> 00:27:48,450
Steve Rogers, you know, blah, blah, blah. So. Yeah, so

598
00:27:48,586 --> 00:27:51,234
that. That is a very good point.

599
00:27:51,338 --> 00:27:54,204
Beyond just that, it's a sequel to the Incredible Hulk. It's. It's more

600
00:27:54,228 --> 00:27:57,132
than that because the Sokovia Accords was a very,

601
00:27:57,172 --> 00:27:59,740
you know, to our point about things being

602
00:27:59,796 --> 00:28:02,442
grounded. I mean, that was the whole

603
00:28:02,862 --> 00:28:05,814
theme and thrust of like the big philosophical is

604
00:28:05,838 --> 00:28:08,726
this blow up between Tony and

605
00:28:08,894 --> 00:28:09,558
Steve.

606
00:28:09,670 --> 00:28:12,582
>> Sarah : Yep, yep. And. And

607
00:28:12,702 --> 00:28:15,622
it also impacted Sam. And that

608
00:28:15,662 --> 00:28:18,534
was what. It was also mentioned in

609
00:28:18,558 --> 00:28:21,542
this movie that. That was like they

610
00:28:21,582 --> 00:28:24,438
locked us up during, like, he's the one responsible

611
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:27,414
for locking me up during that time period.

612
00:28:27,598 --> 00:28:30,436
So. So I don't know why they didn't

613
00:28:30,484 --> 00:28:32,836
focus so much more attention on that.

614
00:28:32,924 --> 00:28:35,780
Like, and the fact

615
00:28:35,836 --> 00:28:38,182
that, granted, he didn't know

616
00:28:38,642 --> 00:28:41,222
throughout the movie that he was

617
00:28:41,762 --> 00:28:44,566
becoming, a person with

618
00:28:44,654 --> 00:28:47,602
powers, but he.

619
00:28:49,102 --> 00:28:52,006
They could have done so much more with that. And it

620
00:28:52,014 --> 00:28:54,166
was such a glaring missed

621
00:28:54,214 --> 00:28:57,102
opportunity that on the one

622
00:28:57,142 --> 00:29:00,014
hand you have that, and on the other hand, it's.

623
00:29:00,078 --> 00:29:02,494
They invested so much time

624
00:29:02,678 --> 00:29:05,118
into us really understanding

625
00:29:05,230 --> 00:29:07,774
or knowing about knowing

626
00:29:07,838 --> 00:29:10,606
Thunderbolt Ross and, And

627
00:29:10,694 --> 00:29:13,294
like, why he's changed or

628
00:29:13,398 --> 00:29:16,366
hasn't changed and all of this that I felt

629
00:29:16,414 --> 00:29:19,310
like the whole time I'm like, yeah, okay, but

630
00:29:19,366 --> 00:29:20,802
what's going on with Sam?

631
00:29:21,502 --> 00:29:24,486
>> Will: Yeah, because they could have used. They could easily

632
00:29:24,614 --> 00:29:27,078
link the two with this. You know, especially

633
00:29:27,150 --> 00:29:29,252
with Isaiah's, story,

634
00:29:30,112 --> 00:29:31,892
all the, the

635
00:29:32,752 --> 00:29:35,368
Ross's story and, And Sam

636
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,456
really, you know, having that philosophical debate

637
00:29:38,504 --> 00:29:40,932
with the. With himself about

638
00:29:41,312 --> 00:29:44,056
what's going on here beyond him. Like, should I take the

639
00:29:44,064 --> 00:29:47,064
serum or not take the serum? I mean, that. That was like this. That was just

640
00:29:47,088 --> 00:29:48,132
a surface level.

641
00:29:49,372 --> 00:29:51,844
>> Sarah : Yeah, well, I think even the

642
00:29:51,868 --> 00:29:54,692
serum discussion is interesting

643
00:29:54,772 --> 00:29:57,668
like, like going more into that

644
00:29:57,740 --> 00:30:00,244
because. Because it is a.

645
00:30:00,348 --> 00:30:03,204
Especially after the series Falcon and

646
00:30:03,228 --> 00:30:05,972
Winter Soldier and to. To find

647
00:30:06,012 --> 00:30:08,596
himself now taking on Captain

648
00:30:08,644 --> 00:30:10,912
America, that role.

649
00:30:11,372 --> 00:30:14,032
He doesn't have powers. He.

650
00:30:14,722 --> 00:30:17,386
I, mean, I know. And my mind immediately goes like

651
00:30:17,426 --> 00:30:18,874
Batman doesn't either.

652
00:30:19,050 --> 00:30:20,170
>> Will: Right, right. Exactly.

653
00:30:20,218 --> 00:30:23,018
>> Sarah : Yeah, right. Right. And we saw that. We saw the

654
00:30:23,042 --> 00:30:25,766
Wakanda technology and all of that,

655
00:30:26,146 --> 00:30:28,874
but really what

656
00:30:28,930 --> 00:30:31,818
this movie should have done and

657
00:30:31,842 --> 00:30:34,810
should have focused on is

658
00:30:34,978 --> 00:30:37,866
really hammering it home as

659
00:30:37,906 --> 00:30:40,286
to why not just Sam Wilson,

660
00:30:40,606 --> 00:30:43,542
but anyone who doesn't have

661
00:30:43,614 --> 00:30:46,246
powers, like, or

662
00:30:46,286 --> 00:30:48,456
maybe m.

663
00:30:49,886 --> 00:30:52,662
Hammering, home. Why specifically

664
00:30:52,854 --> 00:30:55,494
Sam Wilson, someone who doesn't have

665
00:30:55,550 --> 00:30:58,166
powers but who had a very unique

666
00:30:58,246 --> 00:31:00,966
relationship with Steve Rogers is

667
00:31:01,006 --> 00:31:03,574
the only one who can take on that

668
00:31:03,630 --> 00:31:06,546
mantle. Like, they,

669
00:31:07,166 --> 00:31:10,022
I still don't really

670
00:31:10,094 --> 00:31:12,790
understand why. Why it.

671
00:31:12,878 --> 00:31:15,558
Why. Why Sam is the right person. Like, they

672
00:31:15,582 --> 00:31:18,374
haven't proven that to me. Like, I haven't Scene

673
00:31:18,430 --> 00:31:20,786
anything unique. And I also.

674
00:31:21,246 --> 00:31:23,862
And I think. And I know we've talked about this for.

675
00:31:23,934 --> 00:31:26,374
I struggle especially in this

676
00:31:26,430 --> 00:31:29,414
genre when, when it's like,

677
00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:32,150
okay, so, so what's

678
00:31:32,198 --> 00:31:35,196
the, what's the trade off here? Like, what

679
00:31:35,236 --> 00:31:38,108
is Sam giving up

680
00:31:38,292 --> 00:31:41,276
by assuming this, this position or this

681
00:31:41,316 --> 00:31:43,596
role? Like, like, what's the

682
00:31:43,636 --> 00:31:46,460
flaw in armor? And,

683
00:31:46,548 --> 00:31:49,372
and, and maybe. And yes, you can say, well,

684
00:31:49,444 --> 00:31:52,412
well, he's black and it's Captain America and there's

685
00:31:52,444 --> 00:31:55,084
all that meaning. But because they don't go into.

686
00:31:57,156 --> 00:32:00,088
Doesn't, it doesn't carry that substance.

687
00:32:00,242 --> 00:32:00,844
So.

688
00:32:00,980 --> 00:32:03,692
>> Will: Yeah, and yeah, and yeah, it's

689
00:32:03,724 --> 00:32:05,296
like it's.

690
00:32:06,596 --> 00:32:09,596
They don't. They're some of the good. Less things that they

691
00:32:09,636 --> 00:32:12,588
did well in Falcon and Winter Soldier to that point as

692
00:32:12,612 --> 00:32:15,292
far as exploring to. To

693
00:32:15,444 --> 00:32:18,268
him, you know, struggling with just

694
00:32:18,292 --> 00:32:21,212
taking on this mantle of Captain America

695
00:32:21,244 --> 00:32:23,336
and what it all means. And,

696
00:32:24,276 --> 00:32:27,132
and then, you know, using this film as a vehicle

697
00:32:27,244 --> 00:32:30,236
to, to really go even deeper into that.

698
00:32:30,276 --> 00:32:31,736
It was definitely a missed opportun.

699
00:32:32,316 --> 00:32:35,056
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Because I,

700
00:32:35,036 --> 00:32:38,006
So how many, how many years have gone by, like

701
00:32:38,046 --> 00:32:40,630
the events of this movie? Three years?

702
00:32:40,798 --> 00:32:43,654
Two years? So, so that.

703
00:32:43,710 --> 00:32:46,278
That wasn't very clear to me while watching the

704
00:32:46,302 --> 00:32:49,076
movie. And, and, you were saying

705
00:32:49,116 --> 00:32:51,924
before, like, he's clearly doing good

706
00:32:51,980 --> 00:32:54,900
things. He's. He's getting paid. And I'm like, okay, so

707
00:32:54,908 --> 00:32:57,416
who's paying him? Is he still a governant

708
00:32:57,876 --> 00:32:58,748
Contractor?

709
00:32:58,812 --> 00:32:59,228
>> Will: Right.

710
00:32:59,332 --> 00:33:02,236
>> Sarah : So then, then why is it a big deal that

711
00:33:02,276 --> 00:33:05,158
he would report to, President Ross?

712
00:33:05,222 --> 00:33:07,782
Like, doesn't he already. I'm confused.

713
00:33:07,894 --> 00:33:10,886
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, and then you make a big deal for him saying,

714
00:33:10,926 --> 00:33:11,974
no, I don't work for Ross.

715
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:12,726
>> Sarah : Yeah, but.

716
00:33:12,766 --> 00:33:15,638
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but then, but then they

717
00:33:15,662 --> 00:33:17,266
don't like. But then of course,

718
00:33:17,886 --> 00:33:20,866
somehow, you know, but they don't like. They.

719
00:33:21,166 --> 00:33:23,506
Again, they show but don't tell. Like,

720
00:33:25,676 --> 00:33:28,612
like whenever Ross pulls him over and uses. Uses

721
00:33:28,644 --> 00:33:31,588
him as a useful political prop to, like, take

722
00:33:31,612 --> 00:33:34,186
that photo in the White House. Yeah, but,

723
00:33:34,584 --> 00:33:37,408
yeah, there's so many. You know, there was this. I

724
00:33:37,432 --> 00:33:40,396
guess that's, you know, again, it was

725
00:33:41,416 --> 00:33:43,888
as far as overall, in the grand scheme of the

726
00:33:43,912 --> 00:33:46,880
35 feature films of the MCU. Yeah, it's middle of the

727
00:33:46,888 --> 00:33:48,316
pack for sure.

728
00:33:50,276 --> 00:33:53,212
I, guess, you know, but it just took a.

729
00:33:53,316 --> 00:33:55,900
These. The things that we're discussing are what would have

730
00:33:55,940 --> 00:33:58,508
made this a decent film to a great

731
00:33:58,564 --> 00:34:01,080
film. Right. And, and so,

732
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,312
you know, and when you judge it against the other, other,

733
00:34:04,416 --> 00:34:07,350
you know, other outings in this, in this

734
00:34:07,390 --> 00:34:10,342
franchise. So I do agree with you, though, to something you said

735
00:34:10,366 --> 00:34:12,890
earlier, that there are a lot of those Marvel beats,

736
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,722
that they just got to like, if

737
00:34:16,746 --> 00:34:19,250
they want this, if they want to set this franchise

738
00:34:19,330 --> 00:34:22,160
to sustain itself. not

739
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,432
only for older

740
00:34:24,576 --> 00:34:27,264
viewers like us, who've been on the ride for

741
00:34:27,352 --> 00:34:30,032
all 35 films and 40 plus

742
00:34:30,096 --> 00:34:32,976
stuff. When you factor into TV shows and also newer

743
00:34:33,008 --> 00:34:36,000
viewers, they're, they're gonna have to change some

744
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,992
stuff up because, and

745
00:34:39,016 --> 00:34:41,904
be, be willing to take chances again, because I

746
00:34:41,912 --> 00:34:44,780
think that's what made, you know, meeting

747
00:34:44,820 --> 00:34:47,596
the audience where they are now versus where we were,

748
00:34:47,748 --> 00:34:50,188
you know, when In Game happened.

749
00:34:50,364 --> 00:34:53,308
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Which has been a struggle

750
00:34:53,404 --> 00:34:55,116
during this entire phase.

751
00:34:55,228 --> 00:34:55,910
>> Will: Yeah.

752
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,688
>> Sarah : like there. Don't get me wrong, there's been some

753
00:34:58,744 --> 00:35:01,340
highlights in this phase for sure,

754
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,060
and I. But

755
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,104
it's, it's recency bias.

756
00:35:07,232 --> 00:35:10,032
Like you're always going to be compared to what's,

757
00:35:10,096 --> 00:35:12,700
what's coming out right now. And

758
00:35:13,780 --> 00:35:16,316
and it's just, it's, it's,

759
00:35:16,508 --> 00:35:19,052
it's got to feel fresh and it

760
00:35:19,076 --> 00:35:21,632
didn't, and it felt too

761
00:35:21,656 --> 00:35:24,368
derivative. And I mean, my final point

762
00:35:24,424 --> 00:35:27,216
is, like, these movies, I can

763
00:35:27,288 --> 00:35:30,000
always tell how much Time they

764
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,020
invest in their bad guys

765
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,540
developing. Because

766
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,314
Thanos. Thanos is one

767
00:35:38,322 --> 00:35:41,226
of the most talked about villains for a reason.

768
00:35:41,378 --> 00:35:42,810
>> Will: Yes, yes.

769
00:35:42,970 --> 00:35:45,590
>> Sarah : He took up so much time

770
00:35:46,050 --> 00:35:48,890
in. And yeah, he was teased, but

771
00:35:48,930 --> 00:35:51,630
really, Infinity War is his movie.

772
00:35:52,290 --> 00:35:54,490
His movie. It's not about the

773
00:35:54,530 --> 00:35:57,226
Avengers because we already know them. It's

774
00:35:57,258 --> 00:36:00,186
about Thanos and us understanding. And that's

775
00:36:00,218 --> 00:36:02,620
why. And then you have,

776
00:36:02,570 --> 00:36:05,188
Killmonger is another example.

777
00:36:05,284 --> 00:36:08,212
He's also talked about up there as one of the

778
00:36:08,236 --> 00:36:10,836
great villains, not because he

779
00:36:10,908 --> 00:36:13,908
overtakes the movie Black

780
00:36:13,964 --> 00:36:16,580
Panther, but because they give enough

781
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:18,724
time where there's clear

782
00:36:18,812 --> 00:36:21,520
motivation, there's a clear,

783
00:36:22,670 --> 00:36:25,350
foil working between

784
00:36:25,970 --> 00:36:28,500
him and Chala.

785
00:36:30,650 --> 00:36:31,430
>> Will: yeah.

786
00:36:31,850 --> 00:36:34,498
>> Sarah : Yeah, I was like. I'm. No, I'm gonna say this wrong because

787
00:36:34,634 --> 00:36:37,394
I'm trying to visualize the spelling and like,

788
00:36:37,482 --> 00:36:38,386
no, don't do that.

789
00:36:38,458 --> 00:36:40,754
>> Will: Yeah, I think Tchaka, the father.

790
00:36:40,802 --> 00:36:43,362
>> Sarah : Yeah, Yeah, I was like. And then.

791
00:36:43,466 --> 00:36:46,190
Yeah, so. So again,

792
00:36:46,490 --> 00:36:49,362
like. But there was balance. And you understood

793
00:36:49,426 --> 00:36:51,150
both because it also,

794
00:36:52,250 --> 00:36:55,042
when the villain, what they're going through

795
00:36:55,226 --> 00:36:57,986
mirrors what your main

796
00:36:58,058 --> 00:37:00,280
protagonist is going through.

797
00:37:00,580 --> 00:37:03,240
Like, it just comes together

798
00:37:03,620 --> 00:37:06,200
really well. And.

799
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:09,340
Yeah, I, I just. I. That's all.

800
00:37:09,380 --> 00:37:12,120
I really. I don't want to spend a lot of time on the Leader,

801
00:37:12,900 --> 00:37:15,788
which. Which I didn't even know he was leader

802
00:37:15,844 --> 00:37:18,076
until I listened to some, discussions about.

803
00:37:18,856 --> 00:37:21,488
>> Will: I remember vaguely that he was. That the leader was

804
00:37:21,512 --> 00:37:24,160
the villain in this. In the. In the movie.

805
00:37:24,208 --> 00:37:27,156
But, yeah, I mean, it was definitely underdeveloped.

806
00:37:27,106 --> 00:37:29,888
he was almost like. It reminded me a lot

807
00:37:29,912 --> 00:37:32,510
of Psycho Pirate, from the Arrowverse

808
00:37:32,558 --> 00:37:34,706
version of Crisis on Infinite Earth.

809
00:37:35,606 --> 00:37:38,196
It's kind of there, but not doing much.

810
00:37:39,936 --> 00:37:42,872
>> Sarah : And what he does do, you're just like, really? That's

811
00:37:42,904 --> 00:37:44,796
the best dialogue. Okay.

812
00:37:45,696 --> 00:37:48,676
Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, well,

813
00:37:49,056 --> 00:37:51,960
those are our thoughts about Captain America four

814
00:37:52,048 --> 00:37:55,006
Brave New World. And now we will

815
00:37:55,046 --> 00:37:57,646
head over to talk about Paradise.

816
00:37:57,726 --> 00:37:59,982
Episode six, you asked for

817
00:38:00,054 --> 00:38:02,638
Miracles. Xavier and Robinson

818
00:38:02,702 --> 00:38:05,566
execute their plans as to Nacho strives to maintain

819
00:38:05,646 --> 00:38:07,466
Paradise's current state.

820
00:38:08,726 --> 00:38:11,726
I'm going to say I really like this episode.

821
00:38:11,886 --> 00:38:12,626
>> Will: Yes.

822
00:38:14,566 --> 00:38:17,134
>> Sarah : Not as much as the pilot. No.

823
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:20,002
>> Will: But it was. I. You know,

824
00:38:20,074 --> 00:38:23,042
I was like this. I will say this episode reminded

825
00:38:23,074 --> 00:38:26,050
me of, like, why I really like this, this. This series

826
00:38:26,138 --> 00:38:28,482
and the whole cat and mouse game between

827
00:38:28,554 --> 00:38:31,246
Xavier and Sam there.

828
00:38:32,246 --> 00:38:34,668
with, you know, with the events that

829
00:38:34,692 --> 00:38:37,580
transpired in this episode, I. Yeah, that.

830
00:38:37,748 --> 00:38:40,604
Yeah, that the pilot still was like chef's

831
00:38:40,620 --> 00:38:43,612
kiss, but this was. This was. You know, this is probably

832
00:38:43,644 --> 00:38:46,596
one. This is like, you know, one. A.

833
00:38:48,656 --> 00:38:49,208
Maybe.

834
00:38:49,272 --> 00:38:50,956
>> Sarah : Maybe, maybe.

835
00:38:51,846 --> 00:38:52,626
>> Will: Yeah.

836
00:38:53,686 --> 00:38:56,304
>> Sarah : Yeah, like, between the

837
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,056
editing that they did with the flashbacks

838
00:38:59,136 --> 00:39:01,936
and. And I really think out of all the episodes,

839
00:39:02,016 --> 00:39:04,624
I will say I.

840
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,008
Out, other than the

841
00:39:07,032 --> 00:39:09,712
flashbacks, we get specifically with him

842
00:39:09,784 --> 00:39:12,680
and his wife, because we

843
00:39:12,768 --> 00:39:15,608
finally introduced to Terry, finally

844
00:39:15,672 --> 00:39:18,392
see her, and it's very

845
00:39:18,464 --> 00:39:21,288
telling. Yep.

846
00:39:21,352 --> 00:39:24,344
Got it. Understood how this dynamic works.

847
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:25,272
Very cool.

848
00:39:25,384 --> 00:39:26,232
>> Will: Yeah.

849
00:39:26,424 --> 00:39:29,222
>> Sarah : On board for that. it was.

850
00:39:29,294 --> 00:39:31,186
It was interesting that

851
00:39:32,686 --> 00:39:35,654
in my opinion, as much as I

852
00:39:35,710 --> 00:39:38,258
love James Marsden as Cal

853
00:39:38,442 --> 00:39:40,286
and Cal and

854
00:39:40,586 --> 00:39:43,458
Xavier, because of what was

855
00:39:43,482 --> 00:39:46,286
going on in the present day, I felt like

856
00:39:47,066 --> 00:39:50,046
the flashbacks, I was like, we're in and we're out.

857
00:39:52,366 --> 00:39:54,996
I understood what they were doing and why they were doing

858
00:39:55,036 --> 00:39:57,696
that. And of course, there is

859
00:39:58,316 --> 00:40:01,140
some lines specifically about the Die Hard,

860
00:40:01,228 --> 00:40:04,100
which plays into present day events beautifully.

861
00:40:04,228 --> 00:40:07,048
And then I wrote down, what

862
00:40:07,072 --> 00:40:09,688
I thought was just a beautiful moment when he

863
00:40:09,712 --> 00:40:12,616
notices the painting, when Cal points out the

864
00:40:12,656 --> 00:40:15,448
portrait and he's like,

865
00:40:15,552 --> 00:40:18,408
I thought it was so weird that somebody would

866
00:40:18,432 --> 00:40:21,224
gift this to the White House. And I keep

867
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,356
looking at it, and then I realize

868
00:40:26,576 --> 00:40:29,352
these women are reading and they have mosquito

869
00:40:29,384 --> 00:40:32,136
nets over their faces. And it's like,

870
00:40:32,176 --> 00:40:34,996
why? But they're fooling themselves

871
00:40:35,076 --> 00:40:38,020
to think that they have any way

872
00:40:38,108 --> 00:40:40,176
to prevent the,

873
00:40:40,416 --> 00:40:42,156
cruelness of nature.

874
00:40:43,306 --> 00:40:46,210
and I was just like, between that

875
00:40:46,298 --> 00:40:49,090
and the whole cow metaphor in the present

876
00:40:49,178 --> 00:40:49,806
day,

877
00:40:53,786 --> 00:40:56,006
I can't say that they were throwaway,

878
00:40:56,426 --> 00:40:58,774
but it's just that I

879
00:40:58,830 --> 00:41:01,606
was so much more engaged

880
00:41:01,686 --> 00:41:04,182
into what was going on in present day

881
00:41:04,254 --> 00:41:07,142
throughout this that I was like, okay,

882
00:41:07,174 --> 00:41:10,106
okay, let's. We'll dip back into this whole,

883
00:41:10,526 --> 00:41:13,098
like, rundown, about the

884
00:41:13,122 --> 00:41:16,010
escape plan for when shit hits the fan.

885
00:41:16,138 --> 00:41:18,566
But, but. But let's get back to present day.

886
00:41:19,666 --> 00:41:22,086
Let's get back to what's going on here.

887
00:41:22,406 --> 00:41:25,304
and it was. It felt very. It was one of

888
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,312
the. A very well paced

889
00:41:28,424 --> 00:41:31,160
episode. Very well paced.

890
00:41:31,288 --> 00:41:33,384
I didn't feel like we lingered

891
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,440
anywhere too much. And I

892
00:41:36,448 --> 00:41:39,080
think that's why. One of the reasons why, when I

893
00:41:39,168 --> 00:41:42,152
stopped, when it ended, I was like, oh, oh, it's

894
00:41:42,184 --> 00:41:44,536
ended. Okay. Wow. Well, that

895
00:41:44,576 --> 00:41:46,984
happened. That

896
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,104
escalated.

897
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,032
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that escalated

898
00:41:51,144 --> 00:41:53,886
very, very much. So that like many of our.

899
00:41:53,926 --> 00:41:56,574
Many viewers and listeners of our show and

900
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:59,054
others have speculated, which

901
00:41:59,110 --> 00:42:01,716
is, Terry's probably alive out there

902
00:42:01,756 --> 00:42:04,628
somewhere. But it wasn't the way that we thought, you

903
00:42:04,652 --> 00:42:07,348
know, it was. It was the way that they

904
00:42:07,452 --> 00:42:10,404
tease it, with Samantha

905
00:42:10,420 --> 00:42:12,628
using it as a. As a bargaining chip. I was like,

906
00:42:12,602 --> 00:42:15,578
okay. Because, you know, I

907
00:42:15,586 --> 00:42:17,564
was like, all right, I. I can,

908
00:42:19,514 --> 00:42:22,498
That. That begs more questions, especially some of the. Some

909
00:42:22,506 --> 00:42:25,134
of the things that we saw, you know, as

910
00:42:25,594 --> 00:42:28,578
in this episode. And also I started theory spiraling and I was like,

911
00:42:28,586 --> 00:42:30,962
okay, now, you know, going back to the Versailles

912
00:42:31,058 --> 00:42:33,362
Protocol and, And the discussions about

913
00:42:33,498 --> 00:42:36,468
Terry and Cal and, you

914
00:42:36,476 --> 00:42:39,428
know, whenever having this, you know, when Marston

915
00:42:39,476 --> 00:42:42,180
was like. When Cal was like, telling

916
00:42:42,292 --> 00:42:45,286
Xavier, look, you know, maybe she should stop going to

917
00:42:45,310 --> 00:42:46,674
Atlanta so much.

918
00:42:46,974 --> 00:42:47,446
>> Sarah : Yeah.

919
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:50,478
>> Will: During that discussion. so I think it was one. It

920
00:42:50,486 --> 00:42:53,034
was, you know, clearly he knew something

921
00:42:53,894 --> 00:42:56,888
was going down. and, you

922
00:42:56,896 --> 00:42:59,752
know, has it been said what Terry. I can't

923
00:42:59,768 --> 00:43:02,520
recall what she. Because I was trying to think like, okay,

924
00:43:02,552 --> 00:43:04,884
Atlanta, you know, big federal president,

925
00:43:05,264 --> 00:43:08,264
just a scientist. She's a scientist. So my immediate thought

926
00:43:08,304 --> 00:43:11,230
was, okay, you know, CDC's

927
00:43:11,262 --> 00:43:14,206
there. You know, I was thinking, you know, she's, you know, she's, you know,

928
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:16,958
she was talking about how her projects grow in and stuff.

929
00:43:17,086 --> 00:43:20,014
So I was thinking, first I thought cdc, but then I was starting to think

930
00:43:20,054 --> 00:43:22,954
more about, like, okay, if she, if, if, if

931
00:43:23,654 --> 00:43:26,606
he was still. If he did say, you know, they

932
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:29,534
could pick her up from a, you know, pick the plane, could go pick her

933
00:43:29,574 --> 00:43:32,074
up from Atlanta. Cal saying that,

934
00:43:33,014 --> 00:43:35,920
you know, is she working with his dad

935
00:43:36,032 --> 00:43:38,752
with this Paradise Project and there. Are they. Are they

936
00:43:38,808 --> 00:43:41,164
building another, you know,

937
00:43:42,584 --> 00:43:45,520
site there? Especially when we learned that two nuclear warheads

938
00:43:45,552 --> 00:43:47,360
were like, city.

939
00:43:47,512 --> 00:43:50,208
>> Sarah : You know, I don't. I had that

940
00:43:50,296 --> 00:43:53,134
idea crossed my mind, back in, like,

941
00:43:53,174 --> 00:43:55,982
episode two or something very early

942
00:43:56,038 --> 00:43:58,794
on in this. In the show, but

943
00:43:59,674 --> 00:44:02,594
because of how he talked about, like, she

944
00:44:02,634 --> 00:44:05,394
should stop going there. I don't think they were building

945
00:44:05,514 --> 00:44:06,654
another site.

946
00:44:08,154 --> 00:44:10,802
I did what I did wonder if

947
00:44:10,858 --> 00:44:13,794
maybe her work has to do with what

948
00:44:13,834 --> 00:44:16,644
eventually happens. But,

949
00:44:17,062 --> 00:44:19,822
but from the way it was portrayed on

950
00:44:19,878 --> 00:44:22,366
screen, it seemed more like Cal

951
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:25,166
was. No, no, she needs to

952
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:28,028
be like. Like, it's

953
00:44:28,076 --> 00:44:30,620
imminent. The danger is imminent,

954
00:44:30,732 --> 00:44:33,324
and I think we can go get

955
00:44:33,364 --> 00:44:35,916
her, but I

956
00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:36,524
don't.

957
00:44:36,684 --> 00:44:39,644
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. And to that point, too, that's why,

958
00:44:39,684 --> 00:44:42,456
you know, I, did think also as I, You know, so I was running down

959
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,944
the theory spiral.

960
00:44:44,024 --> 00:44:44,280
>> Sarah : Yeah.

961
00:44:44,312 --> 00:44:47,272
>> Will: And another. Other thing was like, okay. He was also

962
00:44:47,328 --> 00:44:50,184
telling, you know, he was given Xavier a

963
00:44:50,224 --> 00:44:53,068
notes, like, you know, I can't tell you that the end of the world is

964
00:44:53,076 --> 00:44:53,884
about to happen.

965
00:44:54,004 --> 00:44:54,668
>> Sarah : Right.

966
00:44:54,836 --> 00:44:57,564
>> Will: But, you know, but Atlanta's,

967
00:44:57,724 --> 00:45:00,700
you know, clearly whoever attacks the United

968
00:45:00,772 --> 00:45:03,676
States, they're going to, you know, it is a prime target that

969
00:45:03,700 --> 00:45:05,384
they're going to want to wipe out.

970
00:45:05,684 --> 00:45:08,588
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Well, we found out, like, two bombs

971
00:45:08,636 --> 00:45:11,052
were dropped specifically on

972
00:45:11,108 --> 00:45:13,574
Atlanta. Ah. I.

973
00:45:14,194 --> 00:45:17,066
It's going to Connect to the number on the

974
00:45:17,090 --> 00:45:19,776
cigarette. Like. Like, that's the.

975
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,672
That's the. There's really a reason why he

976
00:45:22,728 --> 00:45:25,712
specifically wrote that number on the cigarette. I think it

977
00:45:25,768 --> 00:45:28,704
has to do with the flight number. And.

978
00:45:28,824 --> 00:45:31,568
And I think Cal did uphold

979
00:45:31,616 --> 00:45:34,032
his promise to get her on a plane,

980
00:45:34,208 --> 00:45:36,816
but plane ended up someplace

981
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,924
else. Now, I will say

982
00:45:40,904 --> 00:45:43,590
I forget what point in the episode,

983
00:45:43,752 --> 00:45:46,474
but when it was brought up that Terry was

984
00:45:46,514 --> 00:45:49,434
alive, I was like, oh, so. So

985
00:45:49,474 --> 00:45:52,218
she was the girl they found the woods. So.

986
00:45:52,306 --> 00:45:54,414
So she. She was alive.

987
00:45:55,704 --> 00:45:58,392
Pace killed her. Or

988
00:45:58,528 --> 00:45:59,640
I was like, what?

989
00:45:59,712 --> 00:46:01,112
>> Will: Yeah, that's. Yeah.

990
00:46:01,208 --> 00:46:04,024
>> Sarah : But then Samantha said, and I'll help you find

991
00:46:04,064 --> 00:46:06,584
her. And like. Okay, so Samantha

992
00:46:06,664 --> 00:46:09,592
knows the plane she eventually got

993
00:46:09,648 --> 00:46:12,376
onto and willing to help.

994
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,304
Now. Now that's. That's the

995
00:46:15,344 --> 00:46:18,248
whole. Like, I don't

996
00:46:18,296 --> 00:46:21,064
know how much Samantha is going to be willing to help once

997
00:46:21,104 --> 00:46:23,512
she realizes that Jane has.

998
00:46:23,648 --> 00:46:26,542
Has, is going to hold Presley's

999
00:46:26,638 --> 00:46:29,454
hostage. So. So the

1000
00:46:29,494 --> 00:46:31,854
leverage is going to shift as soon as

1001
00:46:31,974 --> 00:46:34,350
Samantha realizes that. But.

1002
00:46:34,502 --> 00:46:35,214
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

1003
00:46:35,466 --> 00:46:37,914
>> Sarah : but I will. Can. Can we just point out.

1004
00:46:38,034 --> 00:46:40,874
Okay, can we. Can we stop

1005
00:46:40,914 --> 00:46:43,882
the discussion? Samantha did not kill

1006
00:46:43,938 --> 00:46:44,602
a cow.

1007
00:46:44,698 --> 00:46:45,402
>> Will: No, she did not.

1008
00:46:45,458 --> 00:46:46,970
>> Sarah : And I've been saying that.

1009
00:46:47,042 --> 00:46:49,946
>> Will: You were right. You were right. I was. I was

1010
00:46:49,970 --> 00:46:52,952
wrong on that one. I. I, And I was. I think I'm

1011
00:46:52,968 --> 00:46:55,848
also wrong in the sense that I'm. I'm willing to admit what I'm wrong,

1012
00:46:55,896 --> 00:46:58,586
but, you know, was she behind his death?

1013
00:46:58,754 --> 00:47:01,562
No, I don't think that is that either. So I'm putting.

1014
00:47:01,642 --> 00:47:04,194
Yeah, we can put back. We can put that one to bed.

1015
00:47:04,298 --> 00:47:07,250
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Thank God. Because I. I was tired.

1016
00:47:07,346 --> 00:47:10,018
Now can more people get on my train?

1017
00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:12,914
Okay. Because we see a sweatshirt with the flower

1018
00:47:12,978 --> 00:47:15,322
emblem, and I know that's connected to,

1019
00:47:15,962 --> 00:47:17,622
to Kane.

1020
00:47:19,002 --> 00:47:21,842
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So can we.

1021
00:47:21,882 --> 00:47:24,722
Can we all hypothesize together? Tell me

1022
00:47:24,762 --> 00:47:26,182
that wasn't Terry.

1023
00:47:26,682 --> 00:47:29,138
>> Will: That's my first. That was my first thought.

1024
00:47:29,210 --> 00:47:32,082
Whatever. Whenever Presley mentioned.

1025
00:47:32,162 --> 00:47:35,154
And I thought about the opening scene with. Where Terry

1026
00:47:35,218 --> 00:47:37,954
and Xavier were talking about that blue.

1027
00:47:38,098 --> 00:47:41,058
Her blue jacket. M. I was just like, oh.

1028
00:47:41,090 --> 00:47:43,782
And then there's also, you know, I,

1029
00:47:44,302 --> 00:47:47,174
I was. I did see someone, like, online. Someone pointed out the

1030
00:47:47,198 --> 00:47:47,842
fact that,

1031
00:47:49,532 --> 00:47:51,472
that Kane,

1032
00:47:52,282 --> 00:47:55,066
mentioned all the secrets

1033
00:47:55,114 --> 00:47:56,176
have flowers.

1034
00:47:56,354 --> 00:47:58,632
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yes. Yes.

1035
00:47:58,972 --> 00:48:01,876
>> Will: So I'm not. Yeah, I'm not gonna take credit for it. I

1036
00:48:01,884 --> 00:48:04,884
saw someone. Internet. I can't remember who said it, but they made the point of

1037
00:48:04,908 --> 00:48:07,876
that. And, you know, and whenever they. And even like, whenever

1038
00:48:07,924 --> 00:48:10,916
the. The pad. IPad, you

1039
00:48:10,924 --> 00:48:13,446
know, we Saw the flower, the jacket. We saw the flower

1040
00:48:13,574 --> 00:48:16,374
earlier in the season whenever they went to flashback who went

1041
00:48:16,398 --> 00:48:19,286
over Building Paradise. We saw people wearing the blue jackets

1042
00:48:19,334 --> 00:48:22,248
with the flower. Yeah, so. So it's

1043
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,252
either, you know, so either Terry has something to do with it

1044
00:48:25,552 --> 00:48:28,504
they're killing or someone on the

1045
00:48:28,528 --> 00:48:29,772
project. But yeah.

1046
00:48:30,112 --> 00:48:32,618
>> Sarah : Yeah. so. So. So we're gonna

1047
00:48:32,650 --> 00:48:35,402
rewind back to the

1048
00:48:35,442 --> 00:48:38,282
days when Will thought I was crazy. So my

1049
00:48:38,322 --> 00:48:41,050
two theories were that I've put out there,

1050
00:48:41,186 --> 00:48:44,058
like episode one and episode two, Terry killed

1051
00:48:44,090 --> 00:48:48,540
California.

1052
00:48:48,666 --> 00:48:51,512
My other theory, though, I. I think in

1053
00:48:51,552 --> 00:48:54,344
episode two, I said this. I said, I don't think we've

1054
00:48:54,408 --> 00:48:56,680
met the person who killed Cal.

1055
00:48:56,816 --> 00:48:57,944
>> Will: Yeah, you did say that.

1056
00:48:58,048 --> 00:49:00,920
>> Sarah : Which, based on the scene

1057
00:49:01,016 --> 00:49:03,848
and. And we were kind pretty much right

1058
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,312
about how Presley obtained

1059
00:49:06,472 --> 00:49:09,418
the, It's still weird how

1060
00:49:09,490 --> 00:49:12,378
she. It's still weird

1061
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:15,106
to me a little bit how they explain this.

1062
00:49:15,234 --> 00:49:17,922
So she shows up to play Wii,

1063
00:49:18,082 --> 00:49:20,930
but because she finds an iPad, she

1064
00:49:20,986 --> 00:49:23,874
leaves and takes the iPad,

1065
00:49:24,018 --> 00:49:26,902
thinking it'll have to do with her mother's

1066
00:49:27,562 --> 00:49:30,482
death. But why she

1067
00:49:30,522 --> 00:49:33,490
would think that about just a random iPad,

1068
00:49:33,586 --> 00:49:36,242
I don't know. Unless she's

1069
00:49:36,322 --> 00:49:38,622
been told. I don't know. Because

1070
00:49:39,322 --> 00:49:42,066
we know that Xavier is aware about the iPad.

1071
00:49:42,114 --> 00:49:43,812
But. Yeah,

1072
00:49:44,712 --> 00:49:47,632
Yeah, I. I felt. I think that's another reason

1073
00:49:47,672 --> 00:49:50,672
why I like this episode is I'm like, yep, not crazy.

1074
00:49:50,752 --> 00:49:52,772
Will was wrong. Finals

1075
00:49:53,592 --> 00:49:56,480
over way too many shows where he's right and

1076
00:49:56,536 --> 00:49:58,132
my theories are wrong.

1077
00:50:00,312 --> 00:50:03,296
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, to my credit, I

1078
00:50:03,304 --> 00:50:06,144
did say that was just too obvious that Sammy. He did

1079
00:50:06,168 --> 00:50:09,002
too, that. That she would be the killer. But I,

1080
00:50:09,308 --> 00:50:12,244
was just like. But I. I was really thinking just because of

1081
00:50:12,268 --> 00:50:15,054
her. Her, motivations and especially as we. As

1082
00:50:15,078 --> 00:50:17,758
we, you know, trying to uphold this

1083
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:20,904
society, as we saw it, even in this episode, as

1084
00:50:20,928 --> 00:50:23,652
I alluded to with the cat and mouse game between the two of them,

1085
00:50:23,852 --> 00:50:25,872
trying to hurt. Trying to protect the secret,

1086
00:50:27,212 --> 00:50:29,988
you know, that. That was sort of where I was sort of going with that.

1087
00:50:30,060 --> 00:50:32,682
But. Yeah, I mean, but, you know, she was, you know,

1088
00:50:32,852 --> 00:50:35,774
she definitely. You know, that was one of the things I did like

1089
00:50:35,798 --> 00:50:38,606
about this episode too. You know, obviously, clearly

1090
00:50:38,734 --> 00:50:40,910
the. The Die Hard references,

1091
00:50:41,012 --> 00:50:43,346
galore. But, But also

1092
00:50:43,450 --> 00:50:45,694
just, you know, with

1093
00:50:45,994 --> 00:50:48,738
Xavier, you know, being true to. You

1094
00:50:48,746 --> 00:50:51,746
know, as Terry pointed out, with the whole. You know, I

1095
00:50:51,770 --> 00:50:54,370
love how they used to see there in the. At the principal's

1096
00:50:54,402 --> 00:50:56,784
office. you know, how, you know that his

1097
00:50:56,824 --> 00:50:59,674
temperament and him

1098
00:50:59,714 --> 00:51:02,186
knowing Sinatra, but also Sinatra, I think

1099
00:51:02,290 --> 00:51:04,906
underestimated him a Little bit as well. Thinking back to,

1100
00:51:04,930 --> 00:51:07,338
like, to the palette.

1101
00:51:07,466 --> 00:51:10,218
>> Sarah : She'S been estimating a lot of people.

1102
00:51:10,386 --> 00:51:12,906
Can I just point out one thing about that opening

1103
00:51:12,970 --> 00:51:15,146
scene, the student teacher

1104
00:51:15,210 --> 00:51:17,852
conference. what I

1105
00:51:17,908 --> 00:51:20,504
really liked about it is

1106
00:51:21,284 --> 00:51:24,124
not just that Terry with all of the

1107
00:51:24,164 --> 00:51:26,484
attitude and grace,

1108
00:51:28,024 --> 00:51:30,394
really calling things out and,

1109
00:51:32,774 --> 00:51:35,514
just being a character. But

1110
00:51:35,974 --> 00:51:38,394
typically when you see, like

1111
00:51:39,494 --> 00:51:42,142
when someone is clearly obsessed with their

1112
00:51:42,198 --> 00:51:45,054
job, it's often portrayed

1113
00:51:45,214 --> 00:51:47,924
in, TV and film

1114
00:51:48,384 --> 00:51:51,256
that because they're so intelligent and

1115
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,944
obsessed with their work, they neglect their

1116
00:51:53,984 --> 00:51:56,560
children. I loved that

1117
00:51:56,632 --> 00:51:59,248
little line and moment walking

1118
00:51:59,296 --> 00:52:02,048
out where Terry knew more

1119
00:52:02,136 --> 00:52:04,592
about the project because she

1120
00:52:04,648 --> 00:52:07,056
knew that. Yeah, it was a

1121
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,632
revenge. This was done on purpose.

1122
00:52:09,728 --> 00:52:11,104
Xavier had no idea.

1123
00:52:11,184 --> 00:52:12,164
>> Will: Yep, yep.

1124
00:52:12,904 --> 00:52:14,284
>> Sarah : I was just like,

1125
00:52:15,464 --> 00:52:17,564
that's great because you're taking.

1126
00:52:18,744 --> 00:52:21,244
We have this idea of who she is,

1127
00:52:21,644 --> 00:52:24,084
and then we're presented with a

1128
00:52:24,124 --> 00:52:26,612
character still not knowing.

1129
00:52:26,788 --> 00:52:29,636
But because of that one little line, I was

1130
00:52:29,660 --> 00:52:32,228
like, okay, okay. So. So

1131
00:52:32,316 --> 00:52:35,284
it's not. She may put. Arguably

1132
00:52:35,364 --> 00:52:38,276
put her marriage second, but she ain't putting her

1133
00:52:38,300 --> 00:52:41,300
kids second to her work. So not falling

1134
00:52:41,332 --> 00:52:43,732
into that. Like, she's not a mother who

1135
00:52:43,788 --> 00:52:46,446
abandoned them. like her

1136
00:52:46,550 --> 00:52:49,456
issue, like. And the fact that

1137
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,416
they're not a perfect couple either because of the

1138
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,604
strain. Because there's a clear

1139
00:52:54,904 --> 00:52:57,754
strain. And But. But that. Because

1140
00:52:57,794 --> 00:53:00,682
they've been together for so long, I'm sure that

1141
00:53:00,738 --> 00:53:02,134
has kind of just.

1142
00:53:03,954 --> 00:53:05,214
Just, scar.

1143
00:53:05,214 --> 00:53:05,254
>> Will: Ah.

1144
00:53:05,666 --> 00:53:08,548
>> Sarah : Tissue covered itself up. but,

1145
00:53:08,716 --> 00:53:11,572
yeah, I. I just wanted to point out that. Hold on.

1146
00:53:11,628 --> 00:53:12,324
>> Will: That's a great point.

1147
00:53:12,364 --> 00:53:14,256
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1148
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,296
>> Will: Especially when you juxtapose it against Sam, Samantha and

1149
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,048
Sinatra as far as her, you know, especially when we see her sort of

1150
00:53:20,056 --> 00:53:22,044
backstory with her family and.

1151
00:53:22,824 --> 00:53:25,696
And as well. But. But really to your

1152
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:28,546
point, really just, you know, really flipping the.

1153
00:53:28,682 --> 00:53:31,598
Also sort of flipping the switch too, that,

1154
00:53:32,368 --> 00:53:35,016
>> Sarah : So wait, are you saying that Sinatra

1155
00:53:35,112 --> 00:53:36,748
was job obsessed?

1156
00:53:37,178 --> 00:53:38,210
>> Will: Just a little.

1157
00:53:38,394 --> 00:53:40,882
>> Sarah : Okay, see, I don't know.

1158
00:53:41,050 --> 00:53:41,758
Because.

1159
00:53:42,138 --> 00:53:43,202
>> Will: Well, maybe. Maybe.

1160
00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:44,770
>> Sarah : Maybe grief.

1161
00:53:44,914 --> 00:53:47,810
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Actually, no, I think maybe. I

1162
00:53:47,834 --> 00:53:49,438
mean, maybe it's more

1163
00:53:50,298 --> 00:53:53,058
how. Yeah,

1164
00:53:53,138 --> 00:53:55,814
maybe it's, Yeah, let me. Let me rephrase that. I

1165
00:53:55,838 --> 00:53:58,742
think maybe it's more just

1166
00:53:58,782 --> 00:54:01,734
seeing how pe. How. To your point

1167
00:54:01,758 --> 00:54:04,512
about this, these character moments, as far as how people

1168
00:54:04,552 --> 00:54:07,456
react to situations even. Because all of

1169
00:54:07,464 --> 00:54:10,172
these people in paradise, for the most part,

1170
00:54:10,582 --> 00:54:13,524
are very successful people in

1171
00:54:13,548 --> 00:54:16,534
some form or fashion. you know, Cal was a little. You know, even though he

1172
00:54:16,558 --> 00:54:19,414
found his agency late in life, he, you know, he still. He

1173
00:54:19,438 --> 00:54:22,338
still was president even, though if it was manufactured by his

1174
00:54:22,362 --> 00:54:25,320
dad. But it did happen. but

1175
00:54:25,488 --> 00:54:28,256
it. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know,

1176
00:54:28,296 --> 00:54:30,636
those, those, those moments really

1177
00:54:31,096 --> 00:54:33,648
show how deep the

1178
00:54:33,832 --> 00:54:36,518
deep these characters are. you

1179
00:54:36,542 --> 00:54:38,866
know, and to your point,

1180
00:54:39,366 --> 00:54:41,566
how she, you know, how

1181
00:54:41,606 --> 00:54:44,590
Terry, you know, we've, you know, given that we've,

1182
00:54:44,638 --> 00:54:47,630
We've been told a lot about Terry but we haven't been shown a lot

1183
00:54:47,638 --> 00:54:50,526
about Terry. And I think when they did finally have the moment to show

1184
00:54:50,566 --> 00:54:53,262
her, they, they used it to its maximum

1185
00:54:53,294 --> 00:54:53,866
effect.

1186
00:54:54,246 --> 00:54:57,048
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, they, We didn't get too

1187
00:54:57,072 --> 00:54:59,944
much. We got just the right amount of Terry.

1188
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,676
Even though we saw her in the hoodie too.

1189
00:55:05,936 --> 00:55:07,272
No, I don't know.

1190
00:55:07,344 --> 00:55:07,816
>> Will: I don't know.

1191
00:55:07,856 --> 00:55:10,648
>> Sarah : Yeah, because the one. There is a

1192
00:55:10,672 --> 00:55:13,096
flaw in this whole idea and that's just like.

1193
00:55:13,136 --> 00:55:15,636
Well, so, so she ran away.

1194
00:55:15,936 --> 00:55:18,712
She didn't at one point see Presley.

1195
00:55:18,904 --> 00:55:21,626
So. Yeah, that, That's a bit weird.

1196
00:55:21,706 --> 00:55:24,496
But I also want to point out, and we talked about

1197
00:55:24,536 --> 00:55:26,928
this last week, but I just want to bring it up again

1198
00:55:27,032 --> 00:55:29,664
because he was, he was

1199
00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:32,128
not as prominent in

1200
00:55:32,232 --> 00:55:34,686
this, in this episode.

1201
00:55:34,846 --> 00:55:37,732
But Jeremy, again, Jeremy

1202
00:55:37,764 --> 00:55:40,484
and Presley continue not to

1203
00:55:40,540 --> 00:55:42,964
behave and be written

1204
00:55:43,140 --> 00:55:46,098
as 10 year olds. Like

1205
00:55:46,282 --> 00:55:49,138
they're also. And also arguably in

1206
00:55:49,162 --> 00:55:51,474
this episode, they're, they're maybe

1207
00:55:51,570 --> 00:55:54,546
two written too maturely

1208
00:55:54,706 --> 00:55:57,554
because the fact that she admits that she was there and

1209
00:55:57,610 --> 00:56:00,018
shows him the ipod and he just accepts

1210
00:56:00,082 --> 00:56:02,722
everything like okay,

1211
00:56:02,914 --> 00:56:05,650
but. But I'm glad we don't have to spend like

1212
00:56:05,738 --> 00:56:08,658
five minutes on like what. Why did

1213
00:56:08,682 --> 00:56:11,568
you online. No, no, there was just acceptance.

1214
00:56:11,632 --> 00:56:14,016
And then she even showed him the

1215
00:56:14,056 --> 00:56:17,056
recordings that he then started to share with

1216
00:56:17,096 --> 00:56:20,016
everyone else at the end only for her then to

1217
00:56:20,056 --> 00:56:21,876
go and leave with Jane.

1218
00:56:23,266 --> 00:56:25,962
there are parts like those few beats.

1219
00:56:26,074 --> 00:56:28,938
There were a handful of

1220
00:56:28,962 --> 00:56:31,946
just parts of like we need to get this

1221
00:56:31,986 --> 00:56:34,810
character here conveniently and quickly.

1222
00:56:34,858 --> 00:56:36,686
We can't spend too much time on it.

1223
00:56:36,786 --> 00:56:39,670
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, that. That would be that if that were to flaw

1224
00:56:39,718 --> 00:56:41,974
for this episode. For me that was. That was it those

1225
00:56:42,030 --> 00:56:44,994
conveniences. because that, you know,

1226
00:56:45,050 --> 00:56:47,442
one, her Jake

1227
00:56:47,474 --> 00:56:50,306
Presley, disobeyed her father.

1228
00:56:50,466 --> 00:56:53,070
Yeah. and then, and then. But you know,

1229
00:56:53,158 --> 00:56:55,678
just. But you know, but something's got it, you know.

1230
00:56:55,702 --> 00:56:58,414
But at the same time, if that doesn't

1231
00:56:58,430 --> 00:57:01,380
happen, then you know, Jeremy doesn't get the

1232
00:57:01,518 --> 00:57:04,248
iPad and, and they don't open it up and,

1233
00:57:04,352 --> 00:57:06,516
and really, you know,

1234
00:57:07,296 --> 00:57:09,864
open this. This whole story up even

1235
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,088
more about what the truth of

1236
00:57:12,112 --> 00:57:14,916
paradise. you know, for. For the rest of the residents.

1237
00:57:15,416 --> 00:57:16,016
>> Sarah : Right.

1238
00:57:16,136 --> 00:57:19,056
>> Will: Yeah. So. So yeah, so yeah, I'll, you know, given

1239
00:57:19,096 --> 00:57:22,064
that the Whole. The rest of the episode was so that damn good. I. I'll.

1240
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,280
I'll give him that one.

1241
00:57:23,448 --> 00:57:25,716
>> Sarah : Yeah. The,

1242
00:57:26,566 --> 00:57:29,470
To just go back to the

1243
00:57:29,638 --> 00:57:31,906
flower sweatshirt for a quick moment.

1244
00:57:32,406 --> 00:57:35,150
I did. I was thinking about it last night,

1245
00:57:35,318 --> 00:57:38,174
and I was thinking, you know who we

1246
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:41,038
haven't Scene in a hot, hot

1247
00:57:41,142 --> 00:57:43,774
minute? We haven't Scene

1248
00:57:43,830 --> 00:57:45,026
Cal's wife.

1249
00:57:45,526 --> 00:57:47,466
>> Will: No, that's a good point.

1250
00:57:47,846 --> 00:57:50,638
>> Sarah : And based on. Now we

1251
00:57:50,662 --> 00:57:52,926
don't see a face, but based on the

1252
00:57:52,966 --> 00:57:55,786
physique, there's a part of me

1253
00:57:55,826 --> 00:57:57,722
who's like, okay, was it Cow's wife?

1254
00:57:57,834 --> 00:57:59,006
>> Will: It's a possibility.

1255
00:57:59,716 --> 00:58:01,932
>> Sarah : really? Because. Because

1256
00:58:02,084 --> 00:58:04,732
we. We. We see her this one

1257
00:58:04,804 --> 00:58:07,676
time or like, we see her like

1258
00:58:07,716 --> 00:58:08,816
twice, maybe.

1259
00:58:09,476 --> 00:58:09,932
>> Will: Yep.

1260
00:58:09,964 --> 00:58:12,844
>> Sarah : And they have. It's. She's arguably one of the few

1261
00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:15,740
characters we haven't delved into at all.

1262
00:58:15,908 --> 00:58:16,576
>> Will: Yeah.

1263
00:58:16,894 --> 00:58:19,790
>> Sarah : And. And Jeremy's just roaming around town.

1264
00:58:19,958 --> 00:58:20,500
>> Will: Yeah.

1265
00:58:20,598 --> 00:58:22,840
>> Sarah : Yeah, that's.

1266
00:58:22,888 --> 00:58:25,720
>> Will: That's. That's a good. That's a good flag as far as characters

1267
00:58:25,768 --> 00:58:28,728
that we. You know that. Because, you know, again, there is

1268
00:58:28,752 --> 00:58:30,226
motive, with the affair.

1269
00:58:30,806 --> 00:58:33,646
>> Sarah : Yeah. Well, I. I

1270
00:58:33,686 --> 00:58:36,306
got the sense when she, like that. That's.

1271
00:58:37,686 --> 00:58:40,638
I get this sense that. That, like, she was

1272
00:58:40,662 --> 00:58:43,662
living in a separate house. They. They had already

1273
00:58:43,814 --> 00:58:45,636
in their minds divorced.

1274
00:58:45,766 --> 00:58:46,456
>> Will: Yeah.

1275
00:58:46,616 --> 00:58:49,384
>> Sarah : So. So I don't think it would have anything to do with

1276
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,036
Robinson. It might.

1277
00:58:54,736 --> 00:58:57,256
I. It might have more to do

1278
00:58:57,296 --> 00:59:00,280
with the same similar reasons

1279
00:59:00,328 --> 00:59:03,128
to why Xavier is blowing

1280
00:59:03,192 --> 00:59:05,592
stuff up. Like. Like.

1281
00:59:05,744 --> 00:59:07,716
And. And because

1282
00:59:09,776 --> 00:59:12,196
I wonder how.

1283
00:59:13,536 --> 00:59:16,344
Like. And maybe that's why season two has already

1284
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,112
been written because if it. If it was her, we're

1285
00:59:19,144 --> 00:59:22,120
gonna get the full backstory between her

1286
00:59:22,208 --> 00:59:24,888
and Cal and. And the falling

1287
00:59:24,952 --> 00:59:27,858
out, in the second season.

1288
00:59:27,962 --> 00:59:30,850
But. But it's definitely something.

1289
00:59:30,938 --> 00:59:33,690
An avenue that, The more I think

1290
00:59:33,698 --> 00:59:36,554
about it has not been explored. but was

1291
00:59:36,610 --> 00:59:39,498
definitely mentioned and should be a big part of

1292
00:59:39,522 --> 00:59:42,240
this. But clearly is it at the moment for

1293
00:59:42,378 --> 00:59:44,308
I. Which I think is purposeful.

1294
00:59:44,452 --> 00:59:47,364
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. The one thing I do. Yeah. This series

1295
00:59:47,420 --> 00:59:50,420
has done a good job of is they don't drop things out there and

1296
00:59:50,428 --> 00:59:53,300
just leave them. Leave them hanging. It's all there for a

1297
00:59:53,308 --> 00:59:56,196
purpose. Either red hair. Yeah. Either. Either red herring

1298
00:59:56,276 --> 00:59:59,124
or for the overall. The bigger

1299
00:59:59,140 --> 01:00:01,380
mystery here.

1300
01:00:01,548 --> 01:00:04,484
>> Sarah : Yeah. The. The last

1301
01:00:04,540 --> 01:00:07,466
character I want to bring up, which I don't really

1302
01:00:07,506 --> 01:00:10,154
want to. I just have to mention to it, is

1303
01:00:10,210 --> 01:00:12,260
that, Okay. Dr.

1304
01:00:12,388 --> 01:00:14,772
Tharabi Gabriella

1305
01:00:14,964 --> 01:00:17,204
continues to be my most

1306
01:00:17,260 --> 01:00:20,096
annoying character in this show.

1307
01:00:21,516 --> 01:00:24,468
Just ever since we had that conversation when

1308
01:00:24,492 --> 01:00:27,476
I called her a pickpie girl. That's all I see when she's on

1309
01:00:27,516 --> 01:00:30,212
screen in this episode. She just delved more

1310
01:00:30,284 --> 01:00:31,376
into that

1311
01:00:33,436 --> 01:00:36,356
and then also like, what. What was that

1312
01:00:36,396 --> 01:00:39,274
all about? So you're telling me Sam

1313
01:00:39,370 --> 01:00:42,340
not only is, spying on people,

1314
01:00:42,508 --> 01:00:45,476
but has the cameras in

1315
01:00:45,516 --> 01:00:46,740
people's bathrooms?

1316
01:00:46,868 --> 01:00:47,656
>> Will: Yeah.

1317
01:00:48,316 --> 01:00:51,140
>> Sarah : Great. Samantha. M. You're dirty, dirty, dirty

1318
01:00:51,188 --> 01:00:53,972
girl. Like, what are you doing peeping on people

1319
01:00:54,044 --> 01:00:55,604
while they're in shower?

1320
01:00:55,780 --> 01:00:58,564
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. She is the

1321
01:00:58,620 --> 01:01:01,380
ultimate control freak. I mean, yeah, I

1322
01:01:01,388 --> 01:01:04,114
mean. Yeah, I mean, yeah. The.

1323
01:01:04,170 --> 01:01:06,978
The funny thing with, you know, we talked about, you

1324
01:01:07,002 --> 01:01:09,618
know, Gabriella and whether or not she, you

1325
01:01:09,642 --> 01:01:11,686
know, her wild card factor.

1326
01:01:12,246 --> 01:01:15,086
and you know, and it's interesting as. As

1327
01:01:15,126 --> 01:01:17,982
things were just sort of falling apart, there

1328
01:01:18,134 --> 01:01:20,900
it was. Xavier's plan was just, you

1329
01:01:20,908 --> 01:01:23,618
know, M. With the, you

1330
01:01:23,642 --> 01:01:26,370
know, the three body problem, teasing her in the

1331
01:01:26,378 --> 01:01:28,006
sky messaging.

1332
01:01:28,936 --> 01:01:31,854
I I really was really struck by

1333
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:34,638
their. Their motivations as far as why they want to keep

1334
01:01:34,742 --> 01:01:35,746
paradise,

1335
01:01:37,306 --> 01:01:40,146
going as far as, you know, you know, Sam for her

1336
01:01:40,186 --> 01:01:43,026
obvious reasons. But then the Robbie, you know, she, you know,

1337
01:01:43,066 --> 01:01:45,650
her whole thing was like this, this was her experiment.

1338
01:01:45,698 --> 01:01:48,206
And, and you know, whenever she was like

1339
01:01:48,826 --> 01:01:51,362
motivating Sam not to like, shut this guy

1340
01:01:51,394 --> 01:01:54,046
off to, you know, to reboot the system,

1341
01:01:54,376 --> 01:01:55,648
you know, so.

1342
01:01:55,832 --> 01:01:58,768
>> Sarah : I don't think that's like. I. I think they have

1343
01:01:58,792 --> 01:02:01,504
the same reasons for wanting to keep paradise

1344
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,480
going, but she was the voice

1345
01:02:04,528 --> 01:02:06,976
of reason and saying if you do

1346
01:02:07,016 --> 01:02:09,356
this, this is what will happen.

1347
01:02:09,736 --> 01:02:12,606
>> Will: Yeah, I mean, I mean. Yeah, I mean, I think they both. They

1348
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:15,086
both wanted to keep going, but I think. I think their

1349
01:02:15,110 --> 01:02:17,274
motivations are. Are

1350
01:02:17,894 --> 01:02:19,194
similar but different.

1351
01:02:20,594 --> 01:02:23,578
I mean, yeah, I mean, you know, well, Sam I think just wants to keep it

1352
01:02:23,586 --> 01:02:26,282
going just because she just doesn't want all the truth to come out

1353
01:02:26,338 --> 01:02:29,254
that you know, that

1354
01:02:29,294 --> 01:02:32,278
people are alive on the outside because that was the big lie

1355
01:02:32,326 --> 01:02:35,238
that they had to tell everyone to like, just to. To,

1356
01:02:35,326 --> 01:02:38,166
you know, to then go to the

1357
01:02:38,190 --> 01:02:41,142
Robbie's plan of like, we just gotta accept

1358
01:02:41,198 --> 01:02:44,184
this, and make a new. And make a new world. So

1359
01:02:44,224 --> 01:02:46,966
I think. So the motivations. I think the Robbie could, you know,

1360
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,786
whether or not people are alive on the surface or not. I don't know if

1361
01:02:49,810 --> 01:02:52,794
that mama. It does play into her like, you know,

1362
01:02:52,834 --> 01:02:55,306
keeping this, you know, keeping this, you

1363
01:02:55,330 --> 01:02:55,894
know,

1364
01:02:58,034 --> 01:03:00,214
this program going forward. But

1365
01:03:00,824 --> 01:03:03,648
But, you know, yeah.

1366
01:03:03,654 --> 01:03:06,496
Ah, you know, so I think they still have

1367
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,456
different motivations for, you know, for. For doing it because I mean, at the

1368
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,644
end of the day, yeah, she is the voice to reason

1369
01:03:13,074 --> 01:03:15,786
But I think it was just for, you know, but her motivations were

1370
01:03:15,810 --> 01:03:18,794
different. And, you know, but also, she also sort of got to the. She also

1371
01:03:18,834 --> 01:03:21,738
figured out what Xavier was trying to tell her as far as the story about, you

1372
01:03:21,746 --> 01:03:24,554
know, pigs. Pigs. And, you know, being led to.

1373
01:03:24,594 --> 01:03:27,228
Via, What was it? The led. To the slaughter?

1374
01:03:27,340 --> 01:03:27,868
Yeah.

1375
01:03:27,980 --> 01:03:28,908
>> Sarah : To the slaughter.

1376
01:03:29,020 --> 01:03:29,404
>> Will: Yeah.

1377
01:03:29,468 --> 01:03:31,564
>> Sarah : Yeah. I. I don't know if I can get

1378
01:03:31,588 --> 01:03:34,406
100% sure or, on board with the

1379
01:03:34,478 --> 01:03:37,158
motivation thing, but maybe it's just because I'm

1380
01:03:37,254 --> 01:03:39,270
dealing with semantics. But,

1381
01:03:40,730 --> 01:03:43,410
Yeah, I. I

1382
01:03:43,450 --> 01:03:45,430
just. She's the worst.

1383
01:03:46,970 --> 01:03:49,730
Like, I love how will continues. You

1384
01:03:49,770 --> 01:03:52,722
continue to, like, want to make Sam

1385
01:03:52,786 --> 01:03:55,570
out to be this awful person. And

1386
01:03:55,610 --> 01:03:58,162
then. And I'm like, no, she's not that bad. And

1387
01:03:58,186 --> 01:04:01,026
then comes to doctor therapy.

1388
01:04:01,058 --> 01:04:02,390
I'm like, the worst.

1389
01:04:03,450 --> 01:04:06,208
>> Will: Yeah, no, yeah, they're both. They're both bad for different

1390
01:04:06,264 --> 01:04:09,194
reasons. I mean, I

1391
01:04:09,202 --> 01:04:11,994
will say that, you know, they do. You know, I think

1392
01:04:12,162 --> 01:04:14,880
to. To your point, though, you know, they are. They do.

1393
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,568
Even through all the bad things that

1394
01:04:17,704 --> 01:04:20,256
Sam does, I mean, they're still trying to retain her

1395
01:04:20,328 --> 01:04:21,220
humanity.

1396
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,664
>> Sarah : I understand why she's doing it. I

1397
01:04:25,752 --> 01:04:26,940
don't understand

1398
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,368
Gabriella. And if I

1399
01:04:30,424 --> 01:04:33,216
did, I would not be

1400
01:04:33,288 --> 01:04:36,232
as. Arguably, I would not be as

1401
01:04:36,256 --> 01:04:39,080
annoyed. But it's when I'm like. I don't.

1402
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,928
Like. Like you were saying before, her motivation.

1403
01:04:42,024 --> 01:04:44,888
Why? So she can keep. Like, she

1404
01:04:44,944 --> 01:04:47,432
doesn't know that people are alive on the

1405
01:04:47,456 --> 01:04:50,248
outside. So she's still, like.

1406
01:04:50,304 --> 01:04:52,744
She's still under this guise

1407
01:04:52,872 --> 01:04:55,672
that like this world. So

1408
01:04:55,696 --> 01:04:58,360
her motivations are not necessarily

1409
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,736
to, like. She doesn't have a

1410
01:05:00,848 --> 01:05:02,928
devious motivation there.

1411
01:05:03,064 --> 01:05:06,012
>> Will: And that's, Yeah, I mean, that's. That's where I was getting at. I mean,

1412
01:05:06,036 --> 01:05:08,636
I think that's where Sam and the Robbie's

1413
01:05:08,668 --> 01:05:11,612
motivations diverge. Because I think back to the

1414
01:05:11,636 --> 01:05:12,560
conversation

1415
01:05:14,020 --> 01:05:16,636
and whenever, you know, when Xavier

1416
01:05:16,748 --> 01:05:18,652
and. And the Robbie.

1417
01:05:18,796 --> 01:05:20,492
>> Sarah : Social architect. Yep.

1418
01:05:20,556 --> 01:05:23,388
>> Will: Social architect. Yeah. I mean, that. That's her life's work. I mean,

1419
01:05:23,444 --> 01:05:26,328
it's. It's a. It's an academic exercise for her

1420
01:05:26,404 --> 01:05:28,848
to see if we can make this thing work,

1421
01:05:28,904 --> 01:05:31,536
whereas Sam's

1422
01:05:31,648 --> 01:05:34,624
motivations are, you

1423
01:05:34,632 --> 01:05:37,312
know. You know. You know, different from

1424
01:05:37,336 --> 01:05:39,728
that. It's not about social architecture. It's just.

1425
01:05:39,784 --> 01:05:42,720
It's. It's to keep this, you know, this

1426
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,232
dream that she had come up with, you know, as sort of

1427
01:05:45,256 --> 01:05:48,240
memorial and to her. To her. Her

1428
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,152
son, in some regards, alive. Because when

1429
01:05:51,176 --> 01:05:54,002
you think about everything that's planned in that, you know, when

1430
01:05:54,026 --> 01:05:56,690
we think back to the Horse and all the other

1431
01:05:56,730 --> 01:05:59,634
architecture around the city. I mean, it's, you know, it's

1432
01:05:59,682 --> 01:06:01,590
reminders for her about her son.

1433
01:06:04,250 --> 01:06:04,866
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1434
01:06:04,978 --> 01:06:07,684
>> Will: Yeah, but I, You know, I mean, there's many ways you can

1435
01:06:07,692 --> 01:06:10,676
interpret it. I mean, I'm saying. I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just. It's just. I think there's

1436
01:06:10,708 --> 01:06:12,244
many ways you can look at it.

1437
01:06:12,412 --> 01:06:13,160
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1438
01:06:16,380 --> 01:06:18,918
>> Will: But, But, yeah, it's like. Yeah, but I'm, trying to think there's any

1439
01:06:18,942 --> 01:06:21,610
other major points. I mean,

1440
01:06:21,698 --> 01:06:22,886
Kane was just

1441
01:06:24,546 --> 01:06:27,338
served as. Yeah, yeah, he just

1442
01:06:27,362 --> 01:06:30,298
served. He basically was the iPad opener. And then, you know,

1443
01:06:30,322 --> 01:06:33,146
and it's, you know, all the billionaires got off to their, you know, got

1444
01:06:33,186 --> 01:06:36,138
to their. To their bunkers and. And, you know,

1445
01:06:36,162 --> 01:06:39,130
it was also just really cool to sort of seeing, like, you

1446
01:06:39,138 --> 01:06:41,946
know, Xavier's. How many people have Xavier's back.

1447
01:06:41,986 --> 01:06:44,730
And as far as pulling the team together, because I was also worried

1448
01:06:44,778 --> 01:06:47,405
throughout the episode was one of those agents gonna, like, you know,

1449
01:06:47,445 --> 01:06:50,012
turn, turn on. Turn on

1450
01:06:50,084 --> 01:06:52,982
them, and. And. And spill to tip

1451
01:06:53,014 --> 01:06:55,666
off Jane as far as where. Where they are and what they were doing.

1452
01:06:56,446 --> 01:06:59,206
>> Sarah : For some reason, I didn't have that worry. I

1453
01:06:59,246 --> 01:07:02,072
liked the reason. I like the explanation for

1454
01:07:02,144 --> 01:07:05,096
why Robinson didn't bring Jane, and I thought

1455
01:07:05,136 --> 01:07:06,200
that was clever.

1456
01:07:06,328 --> 01:07:06,952
>> Will: Yeah.

1457
01:07:07,064 --> 01:07:09,704
>> Sarah : Not convenient, but, like, okay, that makes

1458
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,713
sense of why she wouldn't. I was mainly

1459
01:07:12,745 --> 01:07:15,097
worried Xavier was gonna call in

1460
01:07:15,137 --> 01:07:18,105
Jane. Like, that's

1461
01:07:18,121 --> 01:07:19,837
the only. Nobody else.

1462
01:07:22,337 --> 01:07:25,193
Yeah, he was clearly focused on.

1463
01:07:25,265 --> 01:07:27,915
On other. Other things. and

1464
01:07:27,987 --> 01:07:30,907
after Robinson said what she said, he was like, okay, that's

1465
01:07:30,923 --> 01:07:33,469
fine. but. But

1466
01:07:33,509 --> 01:07:36,061
yeah, I. Yeah, we'll. We'll

1467
01:07:36,125 --> 01:07:38,467
see. we got two more episodes

1468
01:07:38,563 --> 01:07:40,913
left. Is that right? Yeah, Seven.

1469
01:07:41,001 --> 01:07:42,417
>> Will: Yeah. Seven. Eight. Yeah.

1470
01:07:42,513 --> 01:07:45,035
>> Sarah : All right. and on that note,

1471
01:07:45,227 --> 01:07:48,187
Will, why don't you tell our listeners where they can find you?

1472
01:07:48,323 --> 01:07:51,229
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at Will and,

1473
01:07:51,179 --> 01:07:53,171
Polk W, I L, L, M, M P.

1474
01:07:53,195 --> 01:07:56,195
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01:07:56,227 --> 01:07:59,059
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