Paradise Season Finale Review & Daredevil Born Again Premiere!

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>> Sarah : Greetings nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont,

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and with me, as always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are you

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doing tonight, Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. Hope you're doing well. Happy

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March.

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>> Sarah : Happy March. Happy. Women's History

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Month.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. We, It is Women's History

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Month and I, look forward to

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something we started during Black History Month was we

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started doing some profiles and with notable

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folks in the entertainment industry and

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also with the

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way I was acting, directing in front of the camera, behind the

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camera. So I found a couple,

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to start off this month. I found some of

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the early days of filmmaking, some

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filmmakers, who wanted to profile

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this week. And the first one is Alice Key

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Block. she was a fridge. the

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world's. The world's first female

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director. She was actually born in Paris in

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1873. And she

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was She started in the film business as a secretary

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to the Gamon Film Company. But

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over just being a part of the

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around the business and stuff, she was

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very interested in. And it got inspiration

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from a cinema graph from the Lumiere

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Brothers. And she urged a boss of her company

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to let her use a camera

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to make a movie of her own. And so she

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actually created one of the first narrative films called

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La Fe, which was

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translated to cabbage fairy in 1896. And

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it was one of 700 films made under that,

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the studio Gamond's name. But she also

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developed techniques like split screen matching sound to

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film. And eventually And she also

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created the Close Up. So she eventually moved

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to New York and created her own studios,

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that was called Select Studios and it was

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one of the largest ones before Hollywood

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really, you know, really took

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over the industry and stuff. So But, yeah,

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that was. That was one filmmaker I wanted to

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profile. And then a second one was Margaret,

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Booth. And she was was one of the first

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film editors. And she

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worked on the film Birth of a Nation, which I think many people

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are familiar with about from D.W. griffith. That was

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in 1915. and then she just continued

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to work her way up in the studio system and she did

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receive an Oscar nomination for Mutiny M on the

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Bounty, the 1935 film. So those

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are just a couple profiles wanted to share this week before we

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dive into paradise and.

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And Daredevil.

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>> Sarah : Awesome. very cool. what did

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you have any takeaways from the Oscars?

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>> Will: honestly, you know, I. Honestly not really. I

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Didn't, watch Charlie, the films this year

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or this past? This past year. I, I

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know a lot of folks are disappointed that, to me, Moore did not

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win for the, the Substance. I know you watched that one, but.

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>> Sarah : Honestly, I haven't seen the

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Substance.

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>> Will: Oh, I thought you did.

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>> Sarah : Oh, no, no.

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>> Will: Oh, I thought. Oh, was it a Nora that you watched? Which one was

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it?

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>> Sarah : No, I didn't watch either of those. I watched

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the Timothy Chalamet one. That's, oh, that's My

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mom dragged me to.

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>> Will: Oh, yeah, yeah, I was working my way to that one. Yeah.

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yeah, I knew you watched one of the films. yeah. But, I thought for

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what some reason, I know we talked about the Substance, so maybe that's why

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I thought you'll watch that one too.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: Big into body horror.

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>> Sarah : I, I, I was, I was questioning

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why it was for Golden Globes nominated

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under comedy. and musical.

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Interesting. We're stretching dark humor. I mean, we've

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always stretched dark humor, but still, still, it's just

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like. Yeah, yeah, I,

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it's because I, I,

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I tend not to watch movies as much

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these days. Amora is on my list, though, of

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something once it becomes reasonably priced

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to rent or it goes on a streaming service I'm

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about to put on and just check it out because I

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have heard good things. I think it's,

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it's the curse of. Well, once you're a

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winner and the fact that you won, like, the major

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categories, you swept them, suddenly

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everyone starts to not like you.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : You're no longer. Yeah, you're no longer the

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under the dog that you once were.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : My God. But, but also

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all of the controversy

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surrounding the competitors,

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I, I kind of figured it was gonna go that way, and

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I kind of, I kind of figured. For

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some reason I

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knew, I, I had a feeling that

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Timothy, Timothy wasn't gonna win. and

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Adrian was gonna take it. and,

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and, and that's, that's what happened.

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Just. And, and having seen a complete

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unknown, I, he's

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good. He's not great.

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I know in, his, I think it was the SAG

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Actor award he won. He mentioned in a speech how

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he's on the path for greatness. And I, I

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understand that, and I can see that in the works, that

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the projects he's choosing to do and all of

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that, but that was

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not the role.

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That was not. Because all anyone will compare you

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to is Joaquin Phoenix in.

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And that's a very hard act to

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follow. and it's Arguably a much more interesting story

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than a complete unknown. So.

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Yeah, it, I, I again

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did not follow as much. I did. I did.

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I always, watch Kieran

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Culkin's speeches because they're hilarious. And I

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love how, his wife really told. Said that

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out loud. And he has witnesses that if, they'd

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try for four, as long as he won an

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Oscar.

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>> Will: Well, there you go.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, he won the Emmy. And he was like, well, now.

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Now we're gonna try for three. And apparently

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that same night she said, well, we'll go for

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four if you win an Oscar. And then the next year he

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did, so. Wow.

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>> Will: Wow. Well, that's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, really, I

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guess, really the only thing I did watch as

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far as far as nominated films,

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I did watch Wallace. I finally did watch Wallace and Gromit,

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Avengers, Most Foul, which was nominated in the,

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animated, category, which I did see that, flow.

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Won that one. But. But

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beyond. Yeah, so beyond that, you

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know, I was going to try to watch Wicked, but like, you,

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when I, When I went to Amazon to, to rent it, it

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was still, you know, know, very,

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very like, I'll just wait. I'll just wait

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till it comes down or goes to get on

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the normal. Get to a normal stream, you

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know, or there's a.

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>> Sarah : Something. Because those, those

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renting prices, you're just like, might as well

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buy it. M. I could. I could have gone to the

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theater. I don't understand here,

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like, exactly. It's so

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bizarre. But. But I think they want you

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to buy it. So they're gonna have high. And the fact

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that they're being released, being available

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on those services, granted

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for a fee, like such a short

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time after they were in theaters. I mean,

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remember in the years of Blockbuster, you had

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to wait a good six, four months

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until you could. And. And all of that.

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I, I keep. I can't. For the last few

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weeks, I kept wanting to bring up this show,

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but kept forgetting until right after we

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stopped recording. But I did

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recently get into the show on Paramount plus

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called School, Spirits.

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>> Will: Yeah, I've heard about the show. Haven't watched it, but

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yeah, I don't.

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>> Sarah : Think it's your type of show.

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And, And I just say that knowing. Well,

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I, I think it's a good show. I mean, it kept

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me on. I binged the first season.

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the second season at that time had already started and then

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I got caught up and it just wrapped its second

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season yesterday. And it's funny,

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When I was watching the finale this morning, I was thinking to

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myself, I'm like this is the last episode.

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How are they gonna go to season three? I'm not sure.

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But they, they figured out a way very

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cleverly, albeit I kind of figured that was

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gonna happen.

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and, and it's surpr. I think why

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I got hooked is because I started

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watching it by just having it on in the

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background. because to get through those first

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two episodes of studying the premise of this

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girl who's dead and, and

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finds herself kind of in a limbo

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at her school where she died among

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other ghosts who have died

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at that same school.

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There's there that's just this

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surface iceberg

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plot explanation, about the

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show not going into so many details. and

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then I started finding myself paying

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gradually as episodes went on more and more

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attention to things because they did a very good

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job about. Because

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her best friend who's still alive can see

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her. There's kind of a link

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and you see through her

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and these other ghosts the

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morning of the. The loss

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of, of youth and And also

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like that grief of their own like un

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unfulfilled life

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versus also the grief of

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those they leave behind. and

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so when they started tapping into that I, I

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got it piqued my interest and they did some very

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good through the, the people who

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are alive versus dead. Very good

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parallels that were going on.

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So Yeah, I would. I was surprised

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that I, I found myself

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as engaged in that.

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And. And arguably season two is just as good

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as season one. So there wasn't like a drop

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off or anything or it didn't get significantly

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better. But, but yeah,

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I, I think it's a, it's a decent

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show to, to binge get caught up

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on or even to wait until it's over and then binge

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the whole thing because I really don't know how many

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seasons it's got in it. I don't know.

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>> Will: Fair enough, fair enough. I Yeah. As far

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as other shows that I, I finally did start

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Reacher season three and And

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it's like. It's very good. It's very good. I'm about. I'm

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a still. Still gotta watch week

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five. But I've watched up to week four and really

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have enjoyed it. you know it's, it is what

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it is. I mean you know that definitely, you know we jokingly

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call it dad TV and it's definitely not.

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But but the, the

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overall storyline, and the issues

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that he is getting into, this

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season. Is. It is. It's good.

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It really is good. And I swear, Alan Richton, each. Each

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season, he gets larger.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, that. I. I did see

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some. Some interviews with him and. And stuff,

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and I would agree with that.

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>> Will: And there's a dude in the show this season that's even bigger

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than him, and it's just like, okay, yeah, yeah.

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But, But yeah, it's great. I mean, if you're a fan

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of. Fan of Reacher, I would

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say, you'll enjoy this

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season. And. And I think over. Actually, I

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think it's off to a better start than. Than

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last season's, to be honest. But, But yeah,

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but, it is good. And, continue. We'll continue

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to stay on that, dad. Tv. Bob. there.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. Alan, Richter

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apparently would enjoy hearing you say it's better than

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season two because he was not happy with season.

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What. I understand. And I'm like.

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I'm like, thank you for being honest.

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Yeah.

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>> Will: That's one thing I do appreciate about him. He is all.

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He is very candid and very honest. whenever you see him

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on interviews and podcasts and stuff.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Ah, that one with Michael Rosenbom, like,

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wow. Y. All right, well, that

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brings us to the big topic tonight.

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the Paradise Season one

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finale. The man who Kept the

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Secrets. Xavier and Robinson race

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to find President Bradford's m. Murderer

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before it's too late.

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All right, well, what did you think about this finale?

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>> Will: I loved it. I. I really did it.

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this show, really, it.

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All the. All the clues, all the

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breadcrumbs, even down to the cheesy fries. I've

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shared it before that there's nothing that

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is like a throwaway in this, In this

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show. And to

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me, it delivered. Even.

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Even with. When we do find out the

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one mystery as far as who murdered Cal,

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the other part, I felt, But part of me felt like

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that was by the end of the season.

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That was sort of a secondary mystery to the. To the

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primary one, in my opinion, as far as, like, what

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was. What. What. What. When. Especially after we get

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the episode with whenever, President

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Bradford does find a tablet and starts, you know,

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keeping the journals and putting all the pieces together.

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That. That was, to me, like the bigger.

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Bigger thing that was going on here. But, But

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yeah, I really. Yes, it was. You know, it was definitely a

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different change of pace with,

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you know, given how how intense and everything

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episode seven was. But

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I. I was fine with how

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this episode ended

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and And I'm glad that, you know, of course, we do

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know that there is a season two that's

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coming. And, so I'm glad that we don't end,

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you know, with the cliffhanger, with. With an

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unresolved story.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah, I. I have to be

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very careful with how I say this

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and articulate this because I don't want there to be

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confusion because I have seen a lot of reactions to this

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season finale. I am

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not mad that it was the Librarian. I have

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no, like, the motivation. It makes sense.

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I can tell you the exact scene,

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the exact moment where

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I suddenly was like, oh,

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I don't like this. And

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it came where it started to

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become too contrite, and the.

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The episode lost me. and it

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was the moment when he had

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already knocked out Xavier and was

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telling him the story. the story that just

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went on and on and on. And as it went

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on, it started to lose me more and

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more and more. Not because,

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like, well, if we were paying

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attention, we would have recognized.

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We could have potentially recognized him because we

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had seen the shooter in the first episode,

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but it was more like, as soon as

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he started, I was like, why didn't it take you three

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years? And so the

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exact moment when it really. I was like, I.

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I don't. I don't think this was the right move

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is the moment when he explained

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why, Like, I appreciated the

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explanation of why he, How he got comfortable

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and how he felt like he deserved. Like, that made

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sense. But the moment he said. And

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then. And they show the

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flashback where Cal's in his robe

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walking into the library and

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just asking him where the music stuff,

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suddenly that triggered some ptsd.

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It just. That just

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that bothered me. and.

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And it didn't get any better because

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even, like, it just.

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It just annoyed me that all we

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got for the explanation why, at

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that random night when it just so

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happened that the cameras were off and

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that all, like, everything started

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becoming way too. Oh, well,

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that's. That's a, a

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MacGuffin or a shortcut or

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just a simplistic way to explain,

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like. And the scene,

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this. The way that the scene of the

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attack, the piano music, it just

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didn't hit for me. And then at the end with

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Xavier and Samantha, at no point

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did I think Presley was dead. At no

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point was I like, oh, I

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like, the stakes weren't there for me,

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probably because I knew there was going to be a Season two.

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There was. So I

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just. I. I understand. And I'm Glad it

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worked for you.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : But from that point forward

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I was just like okay. And I'm not

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saying it was a bad finale.

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I have critiques and

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it's more, I didn't like the pacing.

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I've seen worse. Let's be honest, we've seen

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a lot worse. But it, it

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also just there were things

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that like I just, it

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didn't, it felt too contrite.

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I have more complaints but I'll let you

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add in some good thoughts.

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>> Will: Yeah, no, I, I, I mean you know I've

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seen the complaints about

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being a librarian or anti climatic or

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And so, so

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what, what made it work for me

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was again the setup.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: And, and especially because

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it ah was really. I ah guess it just really

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got into the larger

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theme. Some of the larger themes that we've seen

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throughout this season.

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>> Will: With, with you know again and

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you know with you know these workers who will

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never get the benefit of being able to

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but you know get the benefit of if and when this incident

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does occur, which obviously it found it

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does, they will be left out.

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And, and, and, and and it gets

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to like for example but

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for Xavier being on the President's detail,

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he wouldn't have got in and, and,

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and, and what's so special about you know obviously you know you

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got the the billionaire. So for me it was just

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overall larger themes that like

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really made the motivation and then also just

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the relationship that Trent built

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with all the other workers so that such

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that whenever they do discover the

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toxin and and,

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and and everything it

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just, it was very

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believable for him to, to do,

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to, to be the, the killer. And, and it

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made sense too. Just I think overall I

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like the fact that they went, they zigged instead of zagged

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because you know all along you know we both were like

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very spiraling. I had the crazy, you know I had to, I

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was on, on the train of it was a power play by

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Sinatra. That's why she was trying to like

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you know she was the motivation behind it and

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stuff. So I appreciated the fact that they went in the direction

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that they did tying it to the some of the

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more larger themes that that the show was, was

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exploring throughout you know, throughout the

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season.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I, I, I, I agree to an

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extent. Like the, the, the setup

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of Trent makes sense and I

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completely enjoyed the

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how it connected to the have and the have

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nots. And it just goes back to last

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week and the FBI or

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the Secret Service agent who Xavier is like saying

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Go here, do this, do that. As soon as they are

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about to get on the helicopter, he's like, oh, no, no, you

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stay here. And it's just,

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it's that same idea of m. Like, well, why do you

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get. Why am I. I'm supposed to.

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Like, this is my job too. It's,

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it's a very uncomfortable and unsettling

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thing. However,

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and, and maybe this is just because

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with the difference of, of our history with

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the showrunner, they, they

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use the same composer from this as us. And

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it's very clear because I was distracted during that

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whole opening,

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opening stuff because that

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score is so reminiscent of. This

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is a score. Oh, my God, it's

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uncanny. And I was just like,

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why, why, why, why are you, why are

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you choosing this, to

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go? Like, I. It's a very, It's a very

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interesting association that I've never

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really had it. It would be like if

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they took a score from Star wars

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and, like, played it over top, and you're just

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like, this isn't the same world.

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It's not. Why are you. This is

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weird. Or, or even Star Trek. Like,

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suddenly you're watching something and, and you hear.

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And you're just like, wait a second. What?

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So I, I, I, know it's the same

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composer, but I'm like, dude, you're good.

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Why are you pulling from that?

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that, that case, that box is closed.

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Okay, so,

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so, and, and I

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completely. Like, again, I'm not mad it was

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the librarian, because I wanted it

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to. They were

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not. Like, nobody could predict. Nobody

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could really. You had

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to be really looking in order

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to see it. You really had to, like, go frame

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by frame. And so I applaud them for all

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that. I just don't appreciate

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the lack of motivation for why it took

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three years for him to finish the job.

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M. That's it. That's like, like the one

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thing. Yeah.

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Like, that day, like, there was.

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There. There just seemed to be it. So

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it was so. It felt so random. It was like,

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okay, so then one day you just woke up on the wrong

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side of the bed and went and murdered someone. Cool. Cool.

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Cool.

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>> Will: Yeah. Well, I mean, that, that,

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that, yeah. And I, I get. I can totally see

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that. And I, I, and I. And I think that's a fair, fair

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criticism. that. But, But I think that. I think that's the

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whole. I think that's the, the point, though. I think

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it is the random, the randomness of it that,

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you know, he's gotten very comfortable here and

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then just you know, but just one day,

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it, it just, you know, that, that.

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That feeling of just thinking about

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Adam and, and, and everything,

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and it just. He just snapped

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and. And he, decided that was the

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data. I'm going to finish the job that I didn't

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do years, you know, years

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earlier.

518
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,150
>> Sarah : Yeah, because, I mean, if he had, also really

519
00:24:23,222 --> 00:24:26,046
been studying this world, he

520
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:29,038
would have figured out that Sinatra is actually the one he should have

521
00:24:29,046 --> 00:24:30,634
gone and killed, not Cal.

522
00:24:31,014 --> 00:24:32,334
>> Will: Yeah, well, there's that too.

523
00:24:32,374 --> 00:24:35,246
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. That, that wasn't. That's another thing where

524
00:24:35,270 --> 00:24:38,004
it's just like, again, it's just that

525
00:24:38,044 --> 00:24:40,820
length of time. That length of time. That's a very

526
00:24:40,892 --> 00:24:43,024
long time, arguably. So.

527
00:24:44,124 --> 00:24:46,948
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. And, yeah,

528
00:24:46,996 --> 00:24:49,344
and, you know, you know, I felt too just like

529
00:24:49,724 --> 00:24:52,584
with the, with the play, on

530
00:24:52,624 --> 00:24:55,480
the, the title and, and also just

531
00:24:55,632 --> 00:24:58,474
in the fact that Peter Lawford, was.

532
00:24:58,514 --> 00:25:01,300
Was married to a Kennedy, you know, he was Bobby Kennedy's

533
00:25:01,332 --> 00:25:03,780
and JFK's, brother in law.

534
00:25:03,932 --> 00:25:06,788
So, you know, so I, you know, so I was trying, you

535
00:25:06,796 --> 00:25:09,684
know, so whenever, When I saw

536
00:25:09,724 --> 00:25:12,682
that title and, and thinking about, you know, the book

537
00:25:12,738 --> 00:25:15,014
in the library and stuff, and of course he,

538
00:25:16,514 --> 00:25:19,386
Whenever Bradford was trying

539
00:25:19,410 --> 00:25:22,346
to, you know, make the mixtape and stuff, you know, it, it

540
00:25:22,370 --> 00:25:25,146
just, I think that's, you know, again, it's just the

541
00:25:25,170 --> 00:25:28,058
randomness of Assassin, you know, Assassins, because, you know,

542
00:25:28,066 --> 00:25:30,834
you do have, you know, you have that Kennedy tie

543
00:25:30,914 --> 00:25:33,906
there too. And I may be reaching there, but it was just something that was

544
00:25:33,930 --> 00:25:36,654
just, you know, just kind of daunt. It just kind of struck me,

545
00:25:37,684 --> 00:25:40,498
that, you know, that we, that we. We had

546
00:25:40,586 --> 00:25:43,506
had those, Those themes in there as well.

547
00:25:43,610 --> 00:25:46,596
And also Kane, you know, you know, pulling out

548
00:25:46,620 --> 00:25:49,498
the Rat Pack reference to, to, you know, with

549
00:25:49,586 --> 00:25:52,586
nicknaming everyone way back in the, you know, episode one or

550
00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:55,370
two. So, you know, that was, you know, it was just. It was

551
00:25:55,442 --> 00:25:58,106
all those, like I said, all, all those little things throughout

552
00:25:58,170 --> 00:26:01,094
each. To this point is

553
00:26:01,134 --> 00:26:03,910
what for me, I think, to your fair,

554
00:26:03,982 --> 00:26:06,614
fair points there, I think it was just the

555
00:26:06,654 --> 00:26:09,414
payoff, I think, because it's just so. It's not

556
00:26:09,454 --> 00:26:11,878
every day you get a series that just pays

557
00:26:11,926 --> 00:26:14,514
off those types of

558
00:26:14,814 --> 00:26:17,638
breadcrumbs that they, they sprinkle throughout the season

559
00:26:17,726 --> 00:26:20,630
and, and not only where they're

560
00:26:20,662 --> 00:26:23,606
used, but they're used so well. So I thought it was just the

561
00:26:23,630 --> 00:26:26,604
execution of it that was really, just really,

562
00:26:27,406 --> 00:26:29,954
got me. And then even to the point where

563
00:26:30,814 --> 00:26:33,814
whenever Sinatra and Jane were having

564
00:26:33,854 --> 00:26:36,668
a text conversation about, about Presley

565
00:26:36,796 --> 00:26:39,564
Yeah. You know, because Jane is. You know, they did such

566
00:26:39,604 --> 00:26:42,284
a. Such a good job of just,

567
00:26:42,324 --> 00:26:44,864
like, creating this, like, psychopath

568
00:26:45,204 --> 00:26:47,564
with. With Jane and. And being the

569
00:26:47,604 --> 00:26:50,492
enforcer that I,

570
00:26:50,548 --> 00:26:53,260
you know, I, like, I was. I was react. I reacted

571
00:26:53,292 --> 00:26:55,868
so. So much when the text messages are going so much my

572
00:26:55,876 --> 00:26:58,856
w. She like, she had gone upstairs and she, like,

573
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,240
checked on me just like, are you okay? I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah. I'm just watching

574
00:27:01,272 --> 00:27:04,244
paradise, so.

575
00:27:04,624 --> 00:27:05,048
Yeah.

576
00:27:05,096 --> 00:27:07,464
>> Sarah : So they got you hook, line and sinker.

577
00:27:07,544 --> 00:27:10,024
>> Will: Yeah, they were. Yeah, I was just. I was just

578
00:27:10,064 --> 00:27:12,152
completely, like, bought into this.

579
00:27:12,208 --> 00:27:15,064
>> Sarah : We would have seen stuff. We would have

580
00:27:15,104 --> 00:27:17,864
seen stuff. There's no way, like, it

581
00:27:17,904 --> 00:27:20,820
just, Yeah, they. The way that

582
00:27:20,892 --> 00:27:23,786
whole exchange went down, I. I

583
00:27:23,810 --> 00:27:26,374
couldn't believe. I was like, no, this.

584
00:27:26,754 --> 00:27:29,706
She ain't gonna do anything for Presley because she's not gonna get the

585
00:27:29,730 --> 00:27:32,362
Wii. So she. She, like, she's

586
00:27:32,378 --> 00:27:35,210
smart. I don't think. I.

587
00:27:35,282 --> 00:27:38,090
I wouldn't say necessarily that they did a great

588
00:27:38,162 --> 00:27:40,266
job about building Jane as an

589
00:27:40,290 --> 00:27:42,134
enforcer. They.

590
00:27:42,944 --> 00:27:45,704
My whole thought while watching the

591
00:27:45,744 --> 00:27:48,350
Jane part of this episode unfolding

592
00:27:48,412 --> 00:27:51,098
is just thinking back at all the times

593
00:27:51,186 --> 00:27:53,642
Will brought up on the podcast about how

594
00:27:53,698 --> 00:27:56,534
Gabriella is the wild card. And I'm like,

595
00:27:57,314 --> 00:27:59,614
she. He should have been talking about Jane.

596
00:28:01,394 --> 00:28:04,014
Nothing. Jane's wild card.

597
00:28:04,434 --> 00:28:07,322
>> Will: Yeah, but. Yeah, now, I mean, it would benefit

598
00:28:07,338 --> 00:28:10,220
a hindsight, but also, Well, because.

599
00:28:10,292 --> 00:28:13,260
Yeah, because of what happened in this episode. Janie's clearly the wild card,

600
00:28:13,292 --> 00:28:13,580
but.

601
00:28:13,652 --> 00:28:16,184
>> Sarah : Well, but he also killed Billy.

602
00:28:16,364 --> 00:28:19,120
Yeah, she. That.

603
00:28:19,192 --> 00:28:21,568
That is. That's my point. I think

604
00:28:21,656 --> 00:28:24,032
that. I don't think it's

605
00:28:24,048 --> 00:28:26,976
necessarily that they did a good job building her as an

606
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,536
enforcer. They did a good job

607
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,724
about utilizing her

608
00:28:32,584 --> 00:28:35,392
early enough. So you have that

609
00:28:35,448 --> 00:28:38,368
notation that she's working for Sinatra,

610
00:28:38,496 --> 00:28:41,264
then putting her on the sidelines and then

611
00:28:41,304 --> 00:28:44,114
circling back to her while at the

612
00:28:44,154 --> 00:28:46,706
same time leaving a

613
00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:49,586
character to further flesh out in a

614
00:28:49,610 --> 00:28:52,546
later season. Yeah, yeah,

615
00:28:52,610 --> 00:28:55,314
because. And. And that's the

616
00:28:55,434 --> 00:28:58,414
kind of leads into why,

617
00:28:58,494 --> 00:29:01,400
part of this whole Sinatra, Jane

618
00:29:01,432 --> 00:29:04,360
and Xavier and Presley,

619
00:29:04,552 --> 00:29:07,336
that didn't. The stakes weren't there for

620
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,194
me just because they had spent this

621
00:29:10,234 --> 00:29:12,754
whole season and even in this

622
00:29:12,794 --> 00:29:15,698
episode, it's like Sinatra being a monster

623
00:29:15,746 --> 00:29:18,694
and this and that. And I've been on the defendant,

624
00:29:20,874 --> 00:29:21,544
Samantha.

625
00:29:21,950 --> 00:29:24,574
>> Will: okay, you've been the Matt Burdock

626
00:29:24,734 --> 00:29:25,310
for sure.

627
00:29:25,382 --> 00:29:28,340
>> Sarah : Like it was. It's interesting. She, She did.

628
00:29:28,412 --> 00:29:31,024
She. It was clear to me

629
00:29:31,324 --> 00:29:34,252
that she didn't want something bad

630
00:29:34,308 --> 00:29:37,276
happened to Presley. She didn't. She didn't want that.

631
00:29:37,380 --> 00:29:39,964
She needed the leverage to get what she

632
00:29:40,004 --> 00:29:42,924
wanted. But she's a mother of her

633
00:29:42,964 --> 00:29:45,596
own, so it wouldn't

634
00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:48,540
seem right, considering what we're

635
00:29:48,572 --> 00:29:51,548
led to believe about this idea of paradise stemming

636
00:29:51,596 --> 00:29:54,364
from the death of her own son. Like. Like,

637
00:29:54,404 --> 00:29:57,116
there's something. And. And it just left me

638
00:29:57,140 --> 00:30:00,134
with this question, especially with her interactions with,

639
00:30:00,384 --> 00:30:03,224
Gabriella at the beginning and towards the end of this

640
00:30:03,264 --> 00:30:05,976
episode is. There's this,

641
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,952
like, this constant. Like, you don't know what I've done. I've

642
00:30:08,968 --> 00:30:11,688
done horrible things, and I'm a monster and all this stuff.

643
00:30:11,736 --> 00:30:14,664
And I'm thinking to myself, okay, so, yeah,

644
00:30:14,824 --> 00:30:17,704
technically, you sent Jane to kill Billy, but

645
00:30:17,744 --> 00:30:20,136
we understand why. I don't know if that makes you a

646
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,874
monster. Technically.

647
00:30:23,724 --> 00:30:26,514
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. You, You. You had

648
00:30:26,554 --> 00:30:29,458
Billy kill those. Those other people.

649
00:30:29,626 --> 00:30:32,306
Is that the only thing? Like,

650
00:30:32,490 --> 00:30:35,122
I. That's where I'm kind of,

651
00:30:35,178 --> 00:30:37,986
like, from what we've

652
00:30:38,050 --> 00:30:40,738
learned, those are the two things

653
00:30:40,826 --> 00:30:43,666
that she's done. I mean, yes, she was a part of the

654
00:30:43,690 --> 00:30:46,178
creation of paradise. So to Trent's

655
00:30:46,226 --> 00:30:48,994
point, paradise was built on the

656
00:30:49,034 --> 00:30:50,894
graves of people,

657
00:30:51,604 --> 00:30:54,316
but she. She was one of many. I

658
00:30:54,340 --> 00:30:57,328
mean, Cal's dad is also at, fault there, and so

659
00:30:57,368 --> 00:31:00,000
is that the architect, and so is

660
00:31:00,024 --> 00:31:00,944
Gabriella.

661
00:31:01,056 --> 00:31:01,376
>> Will: So.

662
00:31:01,432 --> 00:31:03,628
>> Sarah : But. But my point being,

663
00:31:05,208 --> 00:31:07,824
I just. Towards the end, they kept saying

664
00:31:07,896 --> 00:31:10,714
that to, where I'm just thinking, the math ain't

665
00:31:10,746 --> 00:31:13,338
math. Then for me, I need to

666
00:31:13,378 --> 00:31:15,930
understand. I feel like there should be something

667
00:31:16,034 --> 00:31:19,018
more, and yet I don't know if there is.

668
00:31:19,398 --> 00:31:22,126
>> Will: Yeah, well, I. I agree with you that you were

669
00:31:22,182 --> 00:31:24,814
vindicated in the. In the. That she's not a complete

670
00:31:24,846 --> 00:31:27,678
monster when, you know. Yeah, she was trying

671
00:31:27,718 --> 00:31:30,622
to use Presley as. As leverage. But at

672
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:33,550
the end of the day, she, you know, she. She did try

673
00:31:33,574 --> 00:31:36,158
to. She did text Jane and be like, look, you know,

674
00:31:36,198 --> 00:31:39,198
stop. You know, stand down, you know,

675
00:31:39,238 --> 00:31:42,110
but. And then. And then with the whole. Over the whole thing with

676
00:31:42,134 --> 00:31:45,070
the Wii and, you know, you know, call

677
00:31:45,094 --> 00:31:47,778
it. Are you crazy? You know, you don't call a crazy

678
00:31:48,578 --> 00:31:49,318
because.

679
00:31:49,938 --> 00:31:52,522
>> Sarah : So, yeah, yeah. I mean, as soon as

680
00:31:52,610 --> 00:31:55,410
Jane fired, and stepped into focus,

681
00:31:55,514 --> 00:31:58,306
I even said her line out loud.

682
00:31:58,402 --> 00:32:01,378
Like, two minutes before she said it. I was like, I should have given

683
00:32:01,418 --> 00:32:04,226
her the weight like

684
00:32:04,282 --> 00:32:06,962
you should have. And. And I will say,

685
00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:10,018
because I always have to call it out like, this

686
00:32:10,058 --> 00:32:12,850
has nothing to do. My criticism about the

687
00:32:12,874 --> 00:32:15,446
stakes in that. That scene between

688
00:32:15,502 --> 00:32:18,438
Sinatra and Xavier has nothing to do with the performances because

689
00:32:18,478 --> 00:32:21,338
the performance is spot on. Yeah.

690
00:32:21,678 --> 00:32:24,150
>> Will: Yeah. And honestly, the performances, actually,

691
00:32:24,334 --> 00:32:27,286
they're so spot on and is so well acted. And

692
00:32:27,422 --> 00:32:30,078
that I think it covers

693
00:32:30,496 --> 00:32:33,200
over some of the things that we're, that

694
00:32:33,224 --> 00:32:35,268
we're discussing tonight, quite frankly.

695
00:32:35,688 --> 00:32:38,272
>> Sarah : For Will, not for me because they stuck out like a

696
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,068
Thor. Yeah.

697
00:32:42,948 --> 00:32:45,916
>> Will: Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I agree.

698
00:32:45,972 --> 00:32:48,780
I mean, yeah, there are. If you, if you do stop. I mean,

699
00:32:48,804 --> 00:32:51,654
hell, I was just thinking last week with the with, with Xavier

700
00:32:51,686 --> 00:32:54,518
and not with the cell phone. I was just like,

701
00:32:54,558 --> 00:32:57,558
wait a minute, you know this, you're. You're a secret Service agent. There's thing.

702
00:32:57,598 --> 00:33:00,230
You know, there's a thing called a gets card that will

703
00:33:00,334 --> 00:33:03,078
allow for you to like get over. You know, get

704
00:33:03,118 --> 00:33:05,990
a, get a telephone line. So. Yeah, so I mean

705
00:33:06,014 --> 00:33:08,597
I could like nitpick like that kind of stuff for sure.

706
00:33:08,637 --> 00:33:11,447
>> Sarah : But yeah, I had about

707
00:33:11,487 --> 00:33:13,027
those kind of things. So.

708
00:33:13,807 --> 00:33:16,712
>> Will: Yeah, so I mean, but, yeah, but But that being

709
00:33:16,768 --> 00:33:19,768
said, yeah, speaking

710
00:33:19,816 --> 00:33:22,701
of, this just with this episode and Trent

711
00:33:22,733 --> 00:33:25,247
and also Maggie with the I did like the. I did like

712
00:33:25,271 --> 00:33:28,169
how when the and

713
00:33:28,257 --> 00:33:30,977
Robinson were, you know, what Rob.

714
00:33:31,161 --> 00:33:33,985
The. You know, obviously the Robbie was day

715
00:33:34,025 --> 00:33:36,865
drinking and the Robinson went over to like help

716
00:33:36,905 --> 00:33:39,585
out and stuff. So I did like the way that they

717
00:33:39,705 --> 00:33:42,657
figured out that, that she persuaded her

718
00:33:42,681 --> 00:33:45,325
to like look at the files and, and they figured out

719
00:33:45,705 --> 00:33:48,657
that at least while the Trent was

720
00:33:48,681 --> 00:33:51,657
being expository on with Xavier, they just used good

721
00:33:51,681 --> 00:33:54,521
old fashioned storytelling and sleuthing to figure out that Maggie

722
00:33:54,633 --> 00:33:57,561
was. Shouldn't have been in there either. With, with the.

723
00:33:57,633 --> 00:33:59,845
When they looked at the records and realized that

724
00:34:00,366 --> 00:34:02,870
the person who should have been there had a peanut

725
00:34:02,918 --> 00:34:05,860
allergy. which again was this a great use to like pulling the

726
00:34:05,868 --> 00:34:08,356
cheese fries back into like what, what, what?

727
00:34:08,396 --> 00:34:10,404
>> Sarah : You know what was

728
00:34:10,460 --> 00:34:13,444
crazy was there was a scene

729
00:34:13,620 --> 00:34:16,452
like five, five to ten minutes before that

730
00:34:16,524 --> 00:34:19,362
whole thing unfolded where

731
00:34:19,434 --> 00:34:22,322
they, it was like they were speaking to the public,

732
00:34:22,394 --> 00:34:25,310
like, stay in your houses or something like that. And there was a

733
00:34:25,318 --> 00:34:27,822
shot of the diner and the girls there eating cheese

734
00:34:27,854 --> 00:34:30,494
fries. I swear, I swear to

735
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:32,958
God, I thought in my

736
00:34:32,982 --> 00:34:35,854
head while watching that moment and looking

737
00:34:35,910 --> 00:34:38,382
at that actress eat those cheese fries. I'm

738
00:34:38,414 --> 00:34:41,106
like, how did you get into paradise?

739
00:34:42,726 --> 00:34:45,726
Randomly thought. And it was

740
00:34:45,766 --> 00:34:48,686
nothing. I was just like, how, how. What was

741
00:34:48,726 --> 00:34:51,306
the selection process for some of these people?

742
00:34:51,606 --> 00:34:52,706
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

743
00:34:53,156 --> 00:34:55,564
>> Sarah : See it's, it's funny you bring that up

744
00:34:55,620 --> 00:34:58,476
because as much as I did appreciate

745
00:34:58,556 --> 00:35:01,548
the whole like girl tag team and the

746
00:35:01,572 --> 00:35:03,736
day drinking all that. What.

747
00:35:04,596 --> 00:35:07,404
And this is where the episode like, would I

748
00:35:07,460 --> 00:35:10,220
say it, it's contrary. Like,

749
00:35:10,388 --> 00:35:13,084
like they, they figure that out at the same

750
00:35:13,140 --> 00:35:15,996
amount of time while Xavier is,

751
00:35:16,116 --> 00:35:18,798
like, at the. Going back to the.

752
00:35:18,972 --> 00:35:21,796
The, bedroom and retracing all the

753
00:35:21,836 --> 00:35:24,676
steps and finding the mixtape that. I

754
00:35:24,716 --> 00:35:27,316
want to know how long Cal's been dead because,

755
00:35:27,436 --> 00:35:30,340
man, poor Jeremy, he could have had that mixtape the

756
00:35:30,348 --> 00:35:32,836
whole time. Whatever. It's a side

757
00:35:32,876 --> 00:35:35,852
note, but. And then it takes them, what. I

758
00:35:35,892 --> 00:35:38,476
want to know how long exactly to find,

759
00:35:38,644 --> 00:35:41,356
like, the. That nut allergy

760
00:35:41,484 --> 00:35:44,470
within, like, 25,000. Is it

761
00:35:44,526 --> 00:35:47,430
25, 000 files? Like, there's some

762
00:35:47,486 --> 00:35:50,438
conveniences where I'm just like, oh,

763
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:51,322
my God.

764
00:35:53,182 --> 00:35:56,148
So. But, my

765
00:35:56,220 --> 00:35:58,842
favorite part of this episode, and my

766
00:35:58,882 --> 00:36:01,882
favorite line of this episode, of course it comes from

767
00:36:01,922 --> 00:36:04,762
Cal, is you are the things you

768
00:36:04,802 --> 00:36:07,690
love. And if that's the case, then you are

769
00:36:07,746 --> 00:36:10,744
me. Jeremy, if you don't like this world that

770
00:36:10,768 --> 00:36:12,692
I built, that fixed it.

771
00:36:13,232 --> 00:36:15,832
I really appreciate that

772
00:36:15,872 --> 00:36:18,132
ending because of

773
00:36:18,512 --> 00:36:21,512
the. The. Another iconic moment

774
00:36:21,592 --> 00:36:24,472
that happens earlier in the season between the

775
00:36:24,512 --> 00:36:27,032
grandfather, the grandson, and the

776
00:36:27,152 --> 00:36:30,072
dead father. Like, the

777
00:36:30,112 --> 00:36:33,062
way they have, subtly

778
00:36:34,372 --> 00:36:37,308
dealt with grief in that

779
00:36:37,380 --> 00:36:39,952
complicated dynamic.

780
00:36:40,822 --> 00:36:43,722
and. And you've seen the parallels between

781
00:36:44,102 --> 00:36:46,766
father and son and father and son.

782
00:36:46,814 --> 00:36:49,022
Again, like. Like, the. The

783
00:36:49,062 --> 00:36:52,014
execution of that was so good. And I

784
00:36:52,038 --> 00:36:54,974
didn't really see that coming until at

785
00:36:54,998 --> 00:36:57,838
the end. And then he looks up and he sees all these people

786
00:36:57,910 --> 00:37:00,864
walking towards him that, like, yeah, Jeremy,

787
00:37:00,928 --> 00:37:03,888
whether he likes it or not, he is his father's

788
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,640
son. And so a lot of the

789
00:37:06,696 --> 00:37:09,264
reason why Cal was able

790
00:37:09,368 --> 00:37:11,952
to go as far as he did in

791
00:37:11,992 --> 00:37:14,976
politics. Yeah. Yeah, he has a rich daddy,

792
00:37:15,104 --> 00:37:18,016
but it's because of that charm that he explains

793
00:37:18,064 --> 00:37:20,752
to Xavier in the pilot episode. And I think

794
00:37:20,792 --> 00:37:23,552
Jeremy has some of that. And I'll be at

795
00:37:23,672 --> 00:37:26,552
probably a better head on his shoulders, so.

796
00:37:27,092 --> 00:37:29,948
So. And a better moral compass. So I like

797
00:37:30,020 --> 00:37:32,072
how. I can appreciate how

798
00:37:32,852 --> 00:37:35,628
we knew Xavier was gonna eventually leave

799
00:37:35,660 --> 00:37:38,652
and go and find Terry, but I like how

800
00:37:38,692 --> 00:37:41,192
they still opened some.

801
00:37:41,892 --> 00:37:44,700
Some doors for stories to still be

802
00:37:44,756 --> 00:37:47,580
told at paradise as well. While.

803
00:37:47,716 --> 00:37:50,254
While, For some reason Xavier has to go

804
00:37:50,278 --> 00:37:52,928
alone. I don't. I. I don't understand that part,

805
00:37:53,070 --> 00:37:56,014
but he has to go alone. And, I'm not saying he

806
00:37:56,038 --> 00:37:58,942
should take the kids. That's not what I'm saying at all. But he does

807
00:37:58,982 --> 00:38:00,042
have other friends.

808
00:38:00,582 --> 00:38:01,362
>> Will: Yeah.

809
00:38:02,582 --> 00:38:05,374
>> Sarah : So. So I. I just.

810
00:38:05,478 --> 00:38:08,222
That sets up a season where you're gonna be

811
00:38:08,262 --> 00:38:10,910
getting Xavier on his journey while

812
00:38:10,966 --> 00:38:13,374
paradise is.

813
00:38:13,558 --> 00:38:15,962
Is figuring out things

814
00:38:16,262 --> 00:38:18,892
on their own and. And leaves more,

815
00:38:18,842 --> 00:38:19,702
doors.

816
00:38:20,202 --> 00:38:23,202
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

817
00:38:23,242 --> 00:38:25,662
For sure. Yeah. I did like. I did, like,

818
00:38:26,562 --> 00:38:29,016
with. With Xavier, You know,

819
00:38:29,184 --> 00:38:31,736
bringing back the whole hard

820
00:38:31,904 --> 00:38:34,452
decision that he made with his father to

821
00:38:34,992 --> 00:38:37,334
have, Him you mandatorily,

822
00:38:37,412 --> 00:38:39,830
retired. and. And also

823
00:38:39,886 --> 00:38:42,722
to bringing up the fact that again,

824
00:38:43,052 --> 00:38:46,032
Xavier, is a palate himself. And as you know, it was that tension between

825
00:38:46,072 --> 00:38:49,024
him and his father. Like why, you know. You know, his dad wanted him to sort of, you

826
00:38:49,048 --> 00:38:51,692
know, be it. Be a good outline. But

827
00:38:52,472 --> 00:38:55,168
Xavier, I think is. I think his eyesight was.

828
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,134
Was bad if I recall. Which, Why he

829
00:38:58,158 --> 00:39:01,016
couldn't. Why he couldn't be, Couldn't. Couldn't go that route. But

830
00:39:01,104 --> 00:39:03,544
I mean, but he still was able to get his pilot's license.

831
00:39:03,688 --> 00:39:06,562
But But yeah, I just really

832
00:39:06,602 --> 00:39:09,486
liked how they pull that back again from earlier in

833
00:39:09,494 --> 00:39:12,478
the season. And. And of course, you know, I

834
00:39:12,502 --> 00:39:13,066
think

835
00:39:15,046 --> 00:39:17,742
Xavier's still, you know, feeling that he

836
00:39:17,814 --> 00:39:20,768
feels comfortable going alone. and I

837
00:39:20,792 --> 00:39:23,776
agree he probably should have had someone go with him, but. But at the same time

838
00:39:23,816 --> 00:39:26,746
also feels comfortable leaving the kids back. And. And

839
00:39:26,974 --> 00:39:29,878
Because you know, at least from his sense of. Of

840
00:39:29,902 --> 00:39:32,710
things, everything is in paradise. It's the

841
00:39:32,718 --> 00:39:35,438
safest place for him to be right now. and. And

842
00:39:35,462 --> 00:39:38,110
also just he, you know, I think he.

843
00:39:38,198 --> 00:39:41,198
Presley that. I thought that was a good moment between the two

844
00:39:41,222 --> 00:39:44,174
of them whenever he was looking. Sitting there at the table, looking at the book

845
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:46,974
and you know, seeing that all the notes that

846
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:49,336
Kyle left behind, as far as the

847
00:39:50,356 --> 00:39:52,972
>> Will: With the map and. And shout out to the Dewey Decimal

848
00:39:53,004 --> 00:39:55,948
System. Yeah, because I know we

849
00:39:55,972 --> 00:39:58,508
were all like thinking, you know, we. We thought it was like a.

850
00:39:58,612 --> 00:40:01,372
Probably registration for a plane or something like that. Never,

851
00:40:01,444 --> 00:40:04,218
never thought that it was like. It was like,

852
00:40:04,402 --> 00:40:07,258
you know, the Dewey. The Dewey decimal card

853
00:40:07,322 --> 00:40:10,218
for the For the, you know, code for the For the book there in the

854
00:40:10,242 --> 00:40:12,846
library. Which I thought was another great touch.

855
00:40:12,836 --> 00:40:15,828
But But yeah, like I said, I mean, I think you're right. It

856
00:40:15,852 --> 00:40:18,724
definitely with Jeremy's story, you know,

857
00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:21,730
given that Sinatra is still alive, there

858
00:40:21,898 --> 00:40:24,716
and And also the other characters

859
00:40:24,796 --> 00:40:27,266
that Are still there in paradise,

860
00:40:27,816 --> 00:40:30,576
you know, in the bunker will you know, definitely will

861
00:40:30,696 --> 00:40:33,116
next season. We'll, you know, get to

862
00:40:33,706 --> 00:40:36,626
To. To two parallel stories maybe and

863
00:40:36,666 --> 00:40:39,506
hope hopefully they'll figure out some ways too to have some

864
00:40:39,546 --> 00:40:42,326
flashbacks to To. To Cal and

865
00:40:42,350 --> 00:40:45,146
Billy too. Because I mean James Marston was

866
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:48,090
just. Just great in this. In this show and hopefully

867
00:40:48,122 --> 00:40:51,024
we can see some more of him and Maybe you know, especially

868
00:40:51,064 --> 00:40:54,000
if Kane is still there. So maybe it may be some things with his dad.

869
00:40:54,032 --> 00:40:56,854
As far as we just learn more about. Especially, since

870
00:40:56,894 --> 00:40:59,558
they introduced, you

871
00:40:59,566 --> 00:41:01,942
know, the. The making of this

872
00:41:01,998 --> 00:41:04,950
bunker, and there's still some stories and stuff

873
00:41:04,982 --> 00:41:06,594
that. That they can, you know.

874
00:41:07,214 --> 00:41:10,182
>> Sarah : Yeah, there are a lot of stories to be

875
00:41:10,238 --> 00:41:10,984
mined.

876
00:41:10,984 --> 00:41:12,654
>> Will: yeah, so. So,

877
00:41:14,314 --> 00:41:16,844
yeah, we know there's three seasons. Fogelman,

878
00:41:17,272 --> 00:41:19,444
did say that, you know, season two has been.

879
00:41:19,904 --> 00:41:20,904
Is done.

880
00:41:21,024 --> 00:41:22,392
>> Sarah : It's been confirmed. And.

881
00:41:22,448 --> 00:41:25,418
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, it's confirmed, though the show is

882
00:41:25,426 --> 00:41:28,282
that it's written because he actually. He's like. He's like us

883
00:41:28,338 --> 00:41:31,210
where we. He's like, I'm a TV viewer

884
00:41:31,242 --> 00:41:33,770
too, and I don't want long breaks in between

885
00:41:33,842 --> 00:41:36,540
seasons. So, I think he mentioned an article

886
00:41:36,612 --> 00:41:39,460
deadline that they're planning, on starting

887
00:41:39,492 --> 00:41:42,068
production in about. About a month or so.

888
00:41:42,236 --> 00:41:44,980
So it's very, you know, so with the goals having

889
00:41:45,052 --> 00:41:47,904
season two come back in early 2026. So,

890
00:41:48,704 --> 00:41:51,564
so hopefully they will be able to stay on that schedule.

891
00:41:53,424 --> 00:41:55,768
>> Sarah : All right, well, that brings us to

892
00:41:55,856 --> 00:41:58,536
Daredevil. Born Again,

893
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:01,432
season one, Heaven's Half

894
00:42:01,488 --> 00:42:04,168
Hour. Long time ravels. Matt Murdock on Wilson

895
00:42:04,216 --> 00:42:06,840
Fisk attempt to move past their darker

896
00:42:07,032 --> 00:42:09,560
Personas to serve New York, but their

897
00:42:09,632 --> 00:42:12,472
past resurface, reintroducing the world of

898
00:42:12,528 --> 00:42:15,184
Daredevil, which. And actually, this

899
00:42:15,224 --> 00:42:18,086
episode can easily be summed up, in a toast that

900
00:42:18,110 --> 00:42:20,874
is made during the opening scene,

901
00:42:20,824 --> 00:42:23,654
which says to Cherry, may

902
00:42:23,694 --> 00:42:26,470
you be in heaven a full half hour before the devil knows

903
00:42:26,502 --> 00:42:27,354
you're dead.

904
00:42:30,334 --> 00:42:33,034
Will, what did you think about this episode?

905
00:42:34,334 --> 00:42:36,694
>> Will: So what did I think about this

906
00:42:36,734 --> 00:42:39,318
episode? So I will. You know, it's

907
00:42:39,446 --> 00:42:42,024
well known that I, was. I did

908
00:42:42,064 --> 00:42:44,894
not watch the, They

909
00:42:44,934 --> 00:42:47,888
only watched a handful of the Netflix shows. but it

910
00:42:47,896 --> 00:42:50,896
was very accessible for me, and I really. I

911
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,704
have to say, I really, really liked it. I really did.

912
00:42:54,044 --> 00:42:57,012
I, you know, we. We. We've seen. Even though,

913
00:42:57,068 --> 00:42:59,876
you know, the show has been. It's a continuation of the

914
00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:02,288
Netflix series, not. Not a reboot or

915
00:43:02,296 --> 00:43:04,990
anything. And. And we've

916
00:43:05,022 --> 00:43:07,876
seen both Fisk and. And Matt, in

917
00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:10,420
the mcu. I mean, you know, we've got them in Spider man

918
00:43:10,492 --> 00:43:13,342
and. And, King and, Echo.

919
00:43:13,842 --> 00:43:16,410
She, Hulk. Yep. Hawkeye.

920
00:43:16,586 --> 00:43:18,954
So we've. We've seen, you know, we've seen the

921
00:43:18,978 --> 00:43:21,978
characters. And so I, you know,

922
00:43:22,050 --> 00:43:24,782
so I went into it like, okay,

923
00:43:26,162 --> 00:43:28,842
I. I appreciated the fact that

924
00:43:29,142 --> 00:43:32,062
even though I didn't. I'm not like you who has the,

925
00:43:32,102 --> 00:43:34,878
you know, deep ties with this show from.

926
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:37,806
You know, I. I was able. I was like, okay,

927
00:43:37,854 --> 00:43:40,670
I could fill in And I was, I was able

928
00:43:40,726 --> 00:43:43,534
to, I enjoyed it. You know, they set things

929
00:43:43,558 --> 00:43:46,126
up and, and it did it in a, in a way

930
00:43:46,214 --> 00:43:48,520
that was interesting

931
00:43:48,696 --> 00:43:51,466
and and I really, really

932
00:43:51,554 --> 00:43:53,782
got, you know, at the end of episode one,

933
00:43:54,222 --> 00:43:56,902
the, the scene there in a diner. But Fisk and

934
00:43:56,942 --> 00:43:59,734
Murdoch was everything I needed. Okay. I'm like, I'm on

935
00:43:59,758 --> 00:44:00,322
board.

936
00:44:00,862 --> 00:44:03,552
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. The I

937
00:44:03,592 --> 00:44:06,144
mean the, this first episode,

938
00:44:06,208 --> 00:44:08,960
really the best parts is it's, it's

939
00:44:09,136 --> 00:44:12,048
their book ended perfectly because you have

940
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,088
the opening, I think people have said it's

941
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,992
a 15 minute long scene.

942
00:44:17,152 --> 00:44:17,776
>> Will: Yeah.

943
00:44:17,904 --> 00:44:20,600
>> Sarah : Open where you have, you're re

944
00:44:20,736 --> 00:44:23,544
introduced and it is fully a continuation. I mean

945
00:44:23,568 --> 00:44:26,424
you have, you have Foggy, you

946
00:44:26,448 --> 00:44:28,362
have Karen and you have

947
00:44:29,002 --> 00:44:31,622
Matt hanging out at Josie's

948
00:44:32,122 --> 00:44:34,914
and, and life is normal until

949
00:44:35,018 --> 00:44:37,182
next thing you know it's not.

950
00:44:37,722 --> 00:44:40,146
And it turned out to be a setup

951
00:44:40,274 --> 00:44:43,204
and, and Bullseye kills kills

952
00:44:43,252 --> 00:44:46,190
Foggy. And you, you go

953
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:47,850
through and it has the,

954
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:52,414
I can appreciate how they were like, oh, we're,

955
00:44:52,462 --> 00:44:55,278
we're making sure people know this is a continuation. So we're

956
00:44:55,294 --> 00:44:58,046
gonna do a lot of one like

957
00:44:58,118 --> 00:45:01,086
long shots, a lot of fighting

958
00:45:01,198 --> 00:45:04,190
in narrow spaces and, and

959
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:07,022
going up stairways. And back

960
00:45:07,126 --> 00:45:09,860
when the show was on Netflix,

961
00:45:09,810 --> 00:45:12,810
and I was covering it up, it was

962
00:45:12,850 --> 00:45:15,594
funny to me I guess when they, when they got to the

963
00:45:15,602 --> 00:45:18,490
roof because about half, like

964
00:45:18,530 --> 00:45:21,470
when season two of Daredevil starts,

965
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,060
there's, there's a pretty iconic moment with

966
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:27,030
Punisher and which led to some

967
00:45:27,070 --> 00:45:29,766
comments about how like, well, they're

968
00:45:29,798 --> 00:45:32,790
talking Daredevil because they're always talking about people being on

969
00:45:32,830 --> 00:45:35,750
roofs. I swear to

970
00:45:35,790 --> 00:45:38,092
God, in the Netflix Netflix

971
00:45:38,156 --> 00:45:40,780
Defender universe, I

972
00:45:40,820 --> 00:45:43,660
mean the amount of times you will, you will

973
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:46,620
spend on rooftops, whether it's your heroes or

974
00:45:46,660 --> 00:45:49,500
your bad guys. And it's just like if you ever go to New York

975
00:45:49,540 --> 00:45:51,660
City, just always be looking up.

976
00:45:51,780 --> 00:45:54,604
Okay. Always

977
00:45:54,692 --> 00:45:57,418
look up. but, but yeah, I,

978
00:45:57,554 --> 00:46:00,314
I, I think the, just the

979
00:46:00,402 --> 00:46:02,390
execution of that

980
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:05,550
and, and, and no need

981
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:08,590
to explain to anyone or feel like

982
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:11,130
you have to explain why

983
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:15,130
that death is so,

984
00:46:15,930 --> 00:46:18,434
so harmful for the psyche of Matt

985
00:46:18,482 --> 00:46:21,444
Murdock. And and the,

986
00:46:21,612 --> 00:46:23,716
and it sparks, it has

987
00:46:25,004 --> 00:46:27,660
for it pushes him to

988
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:30,700
retreat unlike anything else that could

989
00:46:30,740 --> 00:46:33,424
happen. and, and

990
00:46:33,512 --> 00:46:36,350
he does hang it up and we

991
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:39,254
one year later we get re endorsed

992
00:46:39,382 --> 00:46:41,450
reintroduced to Matt Murdock

993
00:46:41,870 --> 00:46:44,246
and, and things are going fine

994
00:46:44,358 --> 00:46:46,696
until, until somebody else

995
00:46:46,808 --> 00:46:49,752
returns from the shadows. And that would

996
00:46:49,776 --> 00:46:52,514
be Fisk. But yeah, that scene, the,

997
00:46:52,602 --> 00:46:55,378
the diner scene, it's just because

998
00:46:55,434 --> 00:46:58,418
I'm Glad we got them speaking

999
00:46:58,514 --> 00:47:00,178
within the first episode.

1000
00:47:00,354 --> 00:47:01,026
>> Will: Y.

1001
00:47:01,178 --> 00:47:03,970
>> Sarah : And then to have a full blown one on

1002
00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:06,498
one conversation. And also just

1003
00:47:06,554 --> 00:47:09,346
perfect representation for why these

1004
00:47:09,418 --> 00:47:12,402
two are ideal foils for one

1005
00:47:12,426 --> 00:47:15,170
another in terms of. And

1006
00:47:15,210 --> 00:47:18,146
just the, the. You know, I love.

1007
00:47:18,218 --> 00:47:21,042
I prefer more of a verbal sparring than a

1008
00:47:21,066 --> 00:47:23,738
physical sparring. Sparring. Like the

1009
00:47:23,794 --> 00:47:26,554
verbal sparring just was

1010
00:47:26,642 --> 00:47:29,258
so great. I couldn't keep up with all of the

1011
00:47:29,314 --> 00:47:32,202
lines. I mean. And then at the end you

1012
00:47:32,226 --> 00:47:35,210
have. Fisk is like, I will not

1013
00:47:35,250 --> 00:47:37,434
tolerate men running around in silly

1014
00:47:37,482 --> 00:47:40,410
costumes. And then he's like, I love a man who can

1015
00:47:40,450 --> 00:47:42,790
rise above their nature. Good luck with that.

1016
00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:48,252
>> Will: And also throughout the red meat too, that you know, you know,

1017
00:47:48,276 --> 00:47:50,844
call. What to call out the Spider man too. Because again, just the

1018
00:47:50,852 --> 00:47:53,780
acknowledgment meant that, you know, with the historic

1019
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,580
other foil of Wilson Fisk

1020
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,952
with Spider man too. So yeah, that was, that

1021
00:47:59,976 --> 00:48:02,912
was Chef's kiss as far as that moment and for me

1022
00:48:02,936 --> 00:48:05,824
as well. And you know, another thing too, like I said, I don't have the

1023
00:48:05,832 --> 00:48:08,832
history with the show like you do and the relationships with

1024
00:48:08,856 --> 00:48:11,260
Karen and Foggy and Matt, but

1025
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,328
yeah, it was. I'm glad

1026
00:48:14,424 --> 00:48:17,400
just to get back, just take it out of universe and get into

1027
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,384
production universe for a moment. You know, there was a

1028
00:48:20,392 --> 00:48:23,152
lot of discussions about this show and, and

1029
00:48:23,176 --> 00:48:26,144
Feige and a team realizing that, you know, and a

1030
00:48:26,152 --> 00:48:29,104
lot of fans were worried that when it was going to go into Disney plus that it

1031
00:48:29,112 --> 00:48:32,112
was going to lose its edge. And. And I would like

1032
00:48:32,136 --> 00:48:34,960
to hear your thoughts of whether or not it is lost

1033
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,020
as edge and there's only two episodes. But,

1034
00:48:37,830 --> 00:48:40,702
but your familiarity with it I would like to hear.

1035
00:48:40,806 --> 00:48:43,550
But I'm glad that they went the route that they did.

1036
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:46,468
Scrapped whatever they had originally shot use

1037
00:48:46,524 --> 00:48:48,996
recycled what they could have and then brought back

1038
00:48:49,068 --> 00:48:52,050
Karen and Deborah annual. And. And

1039
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,888
the actor plays Foggy because that

1040
00:48:55,072 --> 00:48:57,976
all that was the right creative decision to go

1041
00:48:58,016 --> 00:49:00,616
to make this show work for. For people like

1042
00:49:00,656 --> 00:49:03,336
me who, who are probably, you know,

1043
00:49:03,376 --> 00:49:06,104
familiar with Daredevil Matt more so from

1044
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,048
seeing them m. In the mcu and also just. And people.

1045
00:49:09,152 --> 00:49:11,876
And you're listening to people like you talk about it,

1046
00:49:12,116 --> 00:49:14,628
the, The Netflix show. I mean I watched some of the. I did

1047
00:49:14,652 --> 00:49:17,436
watch some of the other Netflix shows as far as,

1048
00:49:17,386 --> 00:49:20,134
Jessica Jones and, And Luke Cage.

1049
00:49:20,310 --> 00:49:23,216
But but yeah, I, I thought that was definitely from

1050
00:49:23,256 --> 00:49:26,208
a. From a storytelling standpoint and I. As

1051
00:49:26,232 --> 00:49:29,054
soon as Foggy, when he, you know, whenever he had the little

1052
00:49:29,094 --> 00:49:31,986
nod, what was the Line. I'm paraphrasing here,

1053
00:49:32,010 --> 00:49:34,818
but, you know, acknowledge the, the, you know,

1054
00:49:34,906 --> 00:49:37,858
the past. But, looking for. Looking, you know, look to the future or, you

1055
00:49:37,866 --> 00:49:39,346
know, that's a scent it was right.

1056
00:49:39,370 --> 00:49:41,134
>> Sarah : Whenever they were talking about.

1057
00:49:42,214 --> 00:49:43,634
>> Will: Yeah. Nostalgia.

1058
00:49:44,134 --> 00:49:46,766
>> Sarah : Nostalgia is a reference to the past and hope for the

1059
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:47,262
future.

1060
00:49:47,398 --> 00:49:50,398
>> Will: Future. Yeah. When you said that, I was like, I was like, oh,

1061
00:49:50,406 --> 00:49:51,234
he's dead.

1062
00:49:53,734 --> 00:49:56,360
>> Sarah : So, I didn't expect

1063
00:49:56,432 --> 00:49:58,936
anyone to die in that scene. But as it went

1064
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,464
on and, and clearly when he got

1065
00:50:01,504 --> 00:50:04,480
shot, so. And I'm sure

1066
00:50:04,552 --> 00:50:07,072
comic book nerds are going to come after me for saying this,

1067
00:50:07,128 --> 00:50:09,960
but. And I, and I'm not a comic book nerd. I've

1068
00:50:09,992 --> 00:50:12,904
never read the books. But from what I understand, because

1069
00:50:12,944 --> 00:50:15,160
this was brought up back when

1070
00:50:15,312 --> 00:50:17,992
Daredevil first premiered on Netflix

1071
00:50:18,168 --> 00:50:21,096
about this run this series, and

1072
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,104
I believe it's called Born Again. And the

1073
00:50:24,144 --> 00:50:26,488
whole premise is that

1074
00:50:26,576 --> 00:50:29,352
Bullseye was given an order from

1075
00:50:29,408 --> 00:50:31,324
Fisk to kill Karen.

1076
00:50:32,704 --> 00:50:35,650
So, so when, when, When Foggy

1077
00:50:35,682 --> 00:50:38,226
went down, I actually was like, oh, God,

1078
00:50:38,290 --> 00:50:40,898
Karen, they're gonna do it. This is why,

1079
00:50:41,066 --> 00:50:43,094
this is why at the beginning,

1080
00:50:44,214 --> 00:50:47,102
when casting announcements, like I remember you telling

1081
00:50:47,118 --> 00:50:50,062
me, yeah, Foggy's. Foggy's gonna return for Daredevil.

1082
00:50:50,078 --> 00:50:52,794
And I'm like, well, Karen has to come.

1083
00:50:53,254 --> 00:50:56,078
Yeah. And then. Yeah,

1084
00:50:56,206 --> 00:50:58,926
yeah. And then. Well, no, there was a delay. I

1085
00:50:58,950 --> 00:51:01,374
remember this. Like, I feel like even

1086
00:51:01,494 --> 00:51:04,488
Bernthal was announced before Karen was. There

1087
00:51:04,496 --> 00:51:07,272
was a delay, but now I'm starting to figure out,

1088
00:51:07,328 --> 00:51:10,136
like, Karen's gonna have a bigger part and they could still do

1089
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,112
this. They could very well. I mean, seasons two already

1090
00:51:13,168 --> 00:51:16,104
been greenlit that, that they actually

1091
00:51:16,224 --> 00:51:18,872
reserve that Karen's death to the end

1092
00:51:18,928 --> 00:51:20,804
because we all know

1093
00:51:21,584 --> 00:51:24,424
I'm all, I'm not, I'm not a Matt. Karen person. I

1094
00:51:24,464 --> 00:51:27,432
may. I met Karen and Frank person,

1095
00:51:27,568 --> 00:51:30,498
so, so do not Disney

1096
00:51:30,546 --> 00:51:33,506
plus Feige, if you

1097
00:51:33,610 --> 00:51:36,562
do not allow me some sort of closure for

1098
00:51:36,618 --> 00:51:38,694
this romantic entanglement,

1099
00:51:39,514 --> 00:51:41,774
this thing that never was,

1100
00:51:43,114 --> 00:51:45,874
I will turn off my subscription or at least

1101
00:51:45,914 --> 00:51:47,214
suspend it for a month.

1102
00:51:48,954 --> 00:51:51,842
Okay. Okay. But

1103
00:51:51,898 --> 00:51:54,680
anyways, so, so going

1104
00:51:54,752 --> 00:51:57,576
into it, especially when I figured out it was

1105
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,992
Bullseye who was attacking, I was like,

1106
00:52:00,048 --> 00:52:02,644
okay, okay, I,

1107
00:52:02,944 --> 00:52:05,786
I, I get it. to

1108
00:52:05,810 --> 00:52:08,202
go back to your original question about the

1109
00:52:08,258 --> 00:52:11,246
whole, does it still retain an edge?

1110
00:52:11,390 --> 00:52:14,366
Not fully. Not fully. I

1111
00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:16,474
could, I could definitely tell,

1112
00:52:16,774 --> 00:52:19,678
especially the Korri there. There was some weird

1113
00:52:19,726 --> 00:52:22,284
CGI happening at moments during that

1114
00:52:22,324 --> 00:52:25,144
opening sequence there.

1115
00:52:26,164 --> 00:52:28,492
There's some interesting editing

1116
00:52:28,588 --> 00:52:31,436
choices just because, I mean, we're two

1117
00:52:31,460 --> 00:52:34,380
episodes in. It's Hard for me to tell if I'm

1118
00:52:34,412 --> 00:52:37,308
okay with it or not. I don't like the long

1119
00:52:37,396 --> 00:52:40,316
shots. It felt like there were a lot of long shots. It

1120
00:52:40,340 --> 00:52:43,180
felt like there were a few very

1121
00:52:43,252 --> 00:52:46,114
extended, montages

1122
00:52:46,694 --> 00:52:49,374
and just a lot of time of like us

1123
00:52:49,494 --> 00:52:52,350
standing on a roof with, with Fisk

1124
00:52:52,462 --> 00:52:55,454
looking down. And I'm like, when will

1125
00:52:55,494 --> 00:52:58,014
this sequence end? We get

1126
00:52:58,054 --> 00:52:58,634
it.

1127
00:53:01,894 --> 00:53:04,884
Like, I'm like. I'm like. It went on long enough. I could think

1128
00:53:04,924 --> 00:53:07,908
to myself, okay, so are we gonna get

1129
00:53:07,916 --> 00:53:10,628
a wide shot where he clearly is looking

1130
00:53:10,716 --> 00:53:13,700
at Matt? Because Matt's looking

1131
00:53:13,772 --> 00:53:16,596
up. So bizarre. I

1132
00:53:16,620 --> 00:53:18,784
just. So I,

1133
00:53:19,484 --> 00:53:22,324
and I. And I think it will never have that

1134
00:53:22,364 --> 00:53:24,884
same edge because part of the reason why

1135
00:53:25,004 --> 00:53:27,994
Daredevil season one, the

1136
00:53:28,034 --> 00:53:30,522
reaction was, is because it was

1137
00:53:30,658 --> 00:53:33,242
very fresh. And

1138
00:53:33,378 --> 00:53:36,042
albeit this is. I mean it's been 10

1139
00:53:36,098 --> 00:53:38,810
years and based on

1140
00:53:38,962 --> 00:53:41,214
recent Mar. MCU

1141
00:53:41,944 --> 00:53:44,672
television Ah, series, this is fresh and

1142
00:53:44,728 --> 00:53:47,248
different. But it's

1143
00:53:47,296 --> 00:53:50,064
also. It's in because of where it

1144
00:53:50,104 --> 00:53:53,088
comes from. It's never going to be like as fresh.

1145
00:53:53,136 --> 00:53:54,400
If that makes sense.

1146
00:53:54,512 --> 00:53:56,016
>> Will: Yeah, that makes sense.

1147
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,894
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. I, I don't, I don't.

1148
00:54:00,274 --> 00:54:03,050
As long as you have Charlie Cox as Matt

1149
00:54:03,082 --> 00:54:05,930
Murdock and Vincent D'Onofaro

1150
00:54:06,042 --> 00:54:08,494
as Fisk. Like,

1151
00:54:08,954 --> 00:54:11,906
that's, that's, that's. That's what you need. Okay. And then you

1152
00:54:11,930 --> 00:54:14,914
got Bernthal come in as, as

1153
00:54:14,954 --> 00:54:17,602
Punisher. Like the casting

1154
00:54:17,778 --> 00:54:19,954
is really on point with this.

1155
00:54:21,384 --> 00:54:24,374
And, Yeah.

1156
00:54:24,454 --> 00:54:27,158
And, and. And so as we talked about,

1157
00:54:27,326 --> 00:54:29,794
or I think we mentioned that one point,

1158
00:54:30,134 --> 00:54:32,848
Fisk. M. Fisk's whole

1159
00:54:32,896 --> 00:54:35,824
part is. Is very similar where.

1160
00:54:35,944 --> 00:54:38,896
Because we watched Echo, albeit we forgot about

1161
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,744
Echo, but we did watch it at one point in time.

1162
00:54:41,864 --> 00:54:44,736
We do know that Fisk has been out of commission

1163
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,616
for a while because Echo put him in

1164
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,112
his place. Children these

1165
00:54:50,168 --> 00:54:50,764
days.

1166
00:54:53,544 --> 00:54:56,416
Yeah. And. And so he comes back

1167
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,804
only for. For Vanessa

1168
00:54:59,234 --> 00:55:02,186
to. To be Queen Bee and. And there be

1169
00:55:02,210 --> 00:55:04,374
some trouble in paradise for them.

1170
00:55:05,624 --> 00:55:08,000
and. And then we. And he.

1171
00:55:08,072 --> 00:55:10,672
He. Because he found

1172
00:55:10,808 --> 00:55:13,600
peace or something, clarity, he wants

1173
00:55:13,632 --> 00:55:16,522
to go legit. I. So to

1174
00:55:16,578 --> 00:55:19,370
move along to episode two optics.

1175
00:55:19,562 --> 00:55:22,218
Yeah, I, I find it

1176
00:55:22,386 --> 00:55:25,218
while watching it. I found both episodes

1177
00:55:25,266 --> 00:55:28,098
because I watched them both back to back same.

1178
00:55:28,266 --> 00:55:31,080
I, I found the second

1179
00:55:31,152 --> 00:55:33,924
episode to be interesting how

1180
00:55:35,104 --> 00:55:38,084
both of these characters are.

1181
00:55:38,704 --> 00:55:41,484
They are trying to maintain

1182
00:55:42,224 --> 00:55:44,808
that Persona who they presented

1183
00:55:44,856 --> 00:55:47,704
themselves as in the diner. Right. And you

1184
00:55:47,744 --> 00:55:50,632
see the, you see especially with Matt because he's

1185
00:55:50,648 --> 00:55:53,254
our main character. The build up and the

1186
00:55:53,294 --> 00:55:55,910
clear like, oh, you're going a bit sideways.

1187
00:55:56,022 --> 00:55:58,534
Okay. And Just it's, it's like a

1188
00:55:58,574 --> 00:56:01,554
tea teapot kettle during the final,

1189
00:56:01,574 --> 00:56:03,644
sequence, which we will get there.

1190
00:56:04,104 --> 00:56:06,990
But, I really appreciated

1191
00:56:07,022 --> 00:56:08,754
the subtlety with Fisk

1192
00:56:09,494 --> 00:56:12,222
because throughout the episode

1193
00:56:12,318 --> 00:56:14,734
you, you're like, yeah, yeah, fill that hole.

1194
00:56:14,814 --> 00:56:17,534
Okay. Yeah, yeah, they

1195
00:56:17,574 --> 00:56:20,522
elected you mayor, not governor. So I don't

1196
00:56:20,538 --> 00:56:23,322
know if you have as much power as you think you do, but

1197
00:56:23,378 --> 00:56:26,204
you fill that hole, sir. and then

1198
00:56:26,244 --> 00:56:28,684
leading up to this weird random

1199
00:56:28,764 --> 00:56:31,708
venting about, about a sandwich and,

1200
00:56:31,796 --> 00:56:34,652
and then, and then you see him lift the paper and it's like,

1201
00:56:34,708 --> 00:56:37,228
oh, you're blackmailing. Okay, yeah,

1202
00:56:37,276 --> 00:56:39,184
Fisk. Okay.

1203
00:56:41,044 --> 00:56:43,852
>> Will: Yeah. I like that whole sequence there because, especially

1204
00:56:43,908 --> 00:56:46,862
because you set, you know, you have everything set up with, with the police

1205
00:56:46,918 --> 00:56:49,806
chief and, you know, with the funeral and with,

1206
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:52,454
you know, with the tiger, white,

1207
00:56:52,404 --> 00:56:55,062
tiger, being wrongfully accused.

1208
00:56:55,158 --> 00:56:57,286
But, you know, obviously, you know, you know,

1209
00:56:57,310 --> 00:56:59,514
NYPD B is

1210
00:57:01,124 --> 00:57:03,740
you know, thinking that, you know, he's a cop

1211
00:57:03,772 --> 00:57:06,494
killer. And and

1212
00:57:06,874 --> 00:57:09,746
so, yeah, so we get that. And then, but, but

1213
00:57:09,770 --> 00:57:12,328
also even I guess maybe going further back too, just

1214
00:57:12,466 --> 00:57:15,404
him just learning the trappings of being a mayor because

1215
00:57:15,444 --> 00:57:18,384
like the conversation he had with his campaign consultant,

1216
00:57:18,624 --> 00:57:21,306
and the chief of staff and just, you know, they

1217
00:57:21,330 --> 00:57:23,850
were, you know, the whole

1218
00:57:23,882 --> 00:57:26,666
optics and, and of it all and just

1219
00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:29,686
thinking, you know, as far as, him trying

1220
00:57:29,710 --> 00:57:32,434
to go straight and, and, and,

1221
00:57:32,814 --> 00:57:33,874
and just

1222
00:57:35,214 --> 00:57:37,514
figuring, you know, and the whole conversation.

1223
00:57:38,544 --> 00:57:39,288
Yeah.

1224
00:57:39,416 --> 00:57:42,408
>> Sarah : You know who he reminded me of? Especially

1225
00:57:42,496 --> 00:57:45,336
in the second episode? He reminded me of

1226
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,404
our good old friend Oswald.

1227
00:57:47,824 --> 00:57:50,724
>> Will: Yes, yes, yes. I was getting

1228
00:57:51,024 --> 00:57:52,184
the whole time.

1229
00:57:52,304 --> 00:57:55,112
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. I was just thinking about how

1230
00:57:55,168 --> 00:57:57,848
the fact that at the end of Penguin,

1231
00:57:57,976 --> 00:58:00,376
it's about Oswald getting into political

1232
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,288
power and how Fisk is

1233
00:58:03,376 --> 00:58:06,248
like, Fisk is the MCU version

1234
00:58:06,296 --> 00:58:09,288
of that. I mean, granted, Oswald has an

1235
00:58:09,376 --> 00:58:12,084
Oedipus complex and short syndrome,

1236
00:58:14,024 --> 00:58:16,672
and then Kingpin is like a huge

1237
00:58:16,768 --> 00:58:19,648
monster beast. but,

1238
00:58:19,736 --> 00:58:22,592
but it was, it, it was interesting that both

1239
00:58:22,648 --> 00:58:25,104
of them have this

1240
00:58:25,224 --> 00:58:27,484
parallel journey of

1241
00:58:27,784 --> 00:58:30,704
rising from the up the

1242
00:58:30,744 --> 00:58:33,600
ranks in the criminal world and then setting their

1243
00:58:33,672 --> 00:58:35,894
sights on so much more.

1244
00:58:36,544 --> 00:58:38,984
the, the bigger political game. Like,

1245
00:58:39,104 --> 00:58:41,832
like politics is very similar to

1246
00:58:41,888 --> 00:58:44,808
crime, let's just be honest. And, and I

1247
00:58:44,816 --> 00:58:47,800
think that's why the, the, the comic

1248
00:58:47,832 --> 00:58:50,120
book writers were able to set that

1249
00:58:50,272 --> 00:58:53,244
trajectory for some of these iconic villains.

1250
00:58:55,664 --> 00:58:58,536
>> Will: For sure. Yeah, yeah, that's a, that, that

1251
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,480
the. I, I, I was as I was watching the episode. I'm glad you m. Brought

1252
00:59:01,512 --> 00:59:04,062
up Penguin because I was getting that same vibe as

1253
00:59:04,118 --> 00:59:06,624
well, with, with the

1254
00:59:06,664 --> 00:59:09,338
aesthetic and also just the the Fisk in

1255
00:59:09,346 --> 00:59:12,274
particular. you know, and also just a real, particular real

1256
00:59:12,314 --> 00:59:14,424
world person too. But won't go there. But,

1257
00:59:14,984 --> 00:59:17,258
Yeah, but yeah, you're not shy.

1258
00:59:17,306 --> 00:59:18,618
>> Sarah : About that at all.

1259
00:59:18,786 --> 00:59:21,464
>> Will: Not at all. Not at all. But, yeah,

1260
00:59:21,544 --> 00:59:22,470
but can we.

1261
00:59:22,542 --> 00:59:25,168
>> Sarah : Well, let's, let's go back to, to what you've

1262
00:59:25,216 --> 00:59:28,094
mentioned before about the the framing of

1263
00:59:28,134 --> 00:59:30,686
White Tiger. Because what,

1264
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:33,728
What I really enjoyed was that there was

1265
00:59:33,768 --> 00:59:36,720
a mention. Not only a mention, because

1266
00:59:36,744 --> 00:59:38,896
they mentioned a lot of other New York

1267
00:59:38,952 --> 00:59:41,856
vigilantes crime fighters

1268
00:59:42,032 --> 00:59:44,928
in the first episode, but they more.

1269
00:59:45,048 --> 00:59:47,696
More specifically showed an image of White

1270
00:59:47,752 --> 00:59:50,496
Tiger and then never spoken about

1271
00:59:50,552 --> 00:59:51,420
again. Right?

1272
00:59:51,544 --> 00:59:52,324
>> Will: Nope. Right.

1273
00:59:52,396 --> 00:59:54,820
>> Sarah : Fast forward into episode

1274
00:59:54,884 --> 00:59:57,348
two and, and we see this

1275
00:59:57,388 --> 01:00:00,132
guy who's trying to separate

1276
01:00:00,180 --> 01:00:03,008
these two and then next thing you know,

1277
01:00:03,388 --> 01:00:06,164
he throws someone in front of a train. Okay.

1278
01:00:06,356 --> 01:00:09,252
It just happens. Okay. It happens to the best of

1279
01:00:09,260 --> 01:00:12,052
us. And then, and then we. Cherry

1280
01:00:12,100 --> 01:00:14,788
discovers the White Tiger outfit. I can

1281
01:00:14,828 --> 01:00:17,332
appreciate, like we didn't

1282
01:00:17,380 --> 01:00:19,938
need. There. There

1283
01:00:19,978 --> 01:00:22,818
was. There was either you got it

1284
01:00:22,858 --> 01:00:25,778
or. And you understood it just like Cherry did or

1285
01:00:25,818 --> 01:00:28,594
you didn't like there. And

1286
01:00:28,666 --> 01:00:31,106
I appreciate that. I don't. I don't feel

1287
01:00:31,162 --> 01:00:33,826
like they dumbed any of that

1288
01:00:33,882 --> 01:00:36,566
down. and I also like the fact

1289
01:00:36,622 --> 01:00:39,574
that Cherry is introduced in the very

1290
01:00:39,646 --> 01:00:42,178
first episode in the bar

1291
01:00:42,478 --> 01:00:45,250
and he's talking about the vigilantes because

1292
01:00:45,274 --> 01:00:48,098
he's a cop. And he at the

1293
01:00:48,138 --> 01:00:51,026
end of that sequence discovers Matt

1294
01:00:51,202 --> 01:00:53,938
being Daredevil and

1295
01:00:54,058 --> 01:00:56,466
one year later, just who he has

1296
01:00:56,522 --> 01:00:58,786
become to Matt.

1297
01:00:58,962 --> 01:00:59,778
>> Will: Yeah.

1298
01:01:00,168 --> 01:01:02,784
>> Sarah : and as the investigator

1299
01:01:02,976 --> 01:01:05,744
as it just. I, I really

1300
01:01:05,816 --> 01:01:08,224
appreciate that quick and

1301
01:01:08,296 --> 01:01:11,008
seamless relationship

1302
01:01:11,088 --> 01:01:13,404
development for the viewer.

1303
01:01:13,596 --> 01:01:15,860
Yeah, especially a new

1304
01:01:15,916 --> 01:01:18,788
relationship and even ah, what's

1305
01:01:18,820 --> 01:01:21,360
her name? Chris. Christine.

1306
01:01:21,536 --> 01:01:22,576
>> Will: Yeah, the other lawyer.

1307
01:01:22,624 --> 01:01:24,772
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1308
01:01:25,112 --> 01:01:27,444
yeah. yeah. And. And even the

1309
01:01:27,468 --> 01:01:30,402
girlfriend, who. Who is now doing

1310
01:01:30,442 --> 01:01:33,282
marriage counseling for the fist. I mean, God help

1311
01:01:33,322 --> 01:01:35,762
her. God help

1312
01:01:35,802 --> 01:01:36,362
her.

1313
01:01:37,092 --> 01:01:39,884
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, that's the other part. So I did like

1314
01:01:39,908 --> 01:01:42,892
too, especially like in episode. Episode two with

1315
01:01:42,932 --> 01:01:45,622
the With When Matt was defending,

1316
01:01:46,592 --> 01:01:49,424
White, Tiger and And just the, the

1317
01:01:49,448 --> 01:01:52,320
legal tactics that were going on as far as.

1318
01:01:52,456 --> 01:01:55,152
Because I know that was one of the things too that they were. They

1319
01:01:55,192 --> 01:01:57,860
were said they were going to highlight in, in

1320
01:01:57,916 --> 01:02:00,900
this continuation of the, of the show,

1321
01:02:00,956 --> 01:02:03,722
which is, you know, what, what is, you know,

1322
01:02:03,762 --> 01:02:06,714
Matt, you know, Matt is an attorney and, and you know,

1323
01:02:06,738 --> 01:02:09,722
and also, you know, whereas before, you

1324
01:02:09,762 --> 01:02:12,554
know, he, you know, one year prior

1325
01:02:12,618 --> 01:02:15,434
to all this, he was, you know, fighting with his fist. Now

1326
01:02:15,458 --> 01:02:18,092
he's, he is fighting a system

1327
01:02:18,472 --> 01:02:21,184
and protecting people, you know, with his. With

1328
01:02:21,208 --> 01:02:23,664
his legal skills and other things like that.

1329
01:02:23,768 --> 01:02:26,768
So I really liked. I like to sort of the pivot

1330
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,792
that they made there as. As well with, you know, showing,

1331
01:02:29,872 --> 01:02:32,672
you know, showing Matt defend. You know, now

1332
01:02:32,712 --> 01:02:35,360
defending the potential, you know, another

1333
01:02:35,416 --> 01:02:37,532
vigilante, you know, given that he is

1334
01:02:38,232 --> 01:02:39,492
hung up. The cow.

1335
01:02:40,312 --> 01:02:41,984
>> Sarah : Well, yeah. And that.

1336
01:02:42,088 --> 01:02:44,960
>> Will: Well, and he says, you know, he suspected something more

1337
01:02:45,016 --> 01:02:47,212
was going on. So, you know, to your point,

1338
01:02:48,102 --> 01:02:50,894
you know. Yeah, I think whenever Cherry was looking around the

1339
01:02:50,918 --> 01:02:51,984
house, you know, it.

1340
01:02:52,008 --> 01:02:54,800
>> Sarah : Just, you know, it didn't add up. Yeah. Like,

1341
01:02:54,856 --> 01:02:57,152
Matt has very good instincts,

1342
01:02:57,802 --> 01:03:00,116
and a sense of, hearing.

1343
01:03:00,276 --> 01:03:03,220
But I like that idea about

1344
01:03:03,308 --> 01:03:05,956
justice. And that's really what they're delving

1345
01:03:06,036 --> 01:03:08,976
into this season is,

1346
01:03:09,366 --> 01:03:11,982
Because now he's a.

1347
01:03:12,134 --> 01:03:14,478
Arguably a victim of

1348
01:03:14,662 --> 01:03:16,826
injustice. I mean, he was.

1349
01:03:17,526 --> 01:03:20,302
That's where the statement was going. And then Karen walked

1350
01:03:20,334 --> 01:03:23,028
in. But this. What I found

1351
01:03:23,132 --> 01:03:26,118
amusing about the, the Hector

1352
01:03:26,182 --> 01:03:29,142
of it all and the conversation,

1353
01:03:29,254 --> 01:03:32,150
the legal conversation, where

1354
01:03:32,238 --> 01:03:35,174
Matt gets his first quote, unquote victory of the.

1355
01:03:35,230 --> 01:03:37,416
Of the series and, and

1356
01:03:37,456 --> 01:03:40,216
manages that, like, says,

1357
01:03:40,336 --> 01:03:42,776
okay, we can. We can't talk about him being White

1358
01:03:42,816 --> 01:03:45,704
Tiger. It's just prejudice. I.

1359
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,738
I just like. And I think at one point,

1360
01:03:48,872 --> 01:03:51,614
he. He wasn't holding the mystical

1361
01:03:51,710 --> 01:03:54,702
stone. We'll

1362
01:03:54,734 --> 01:03:57,726
say that for us. To us. Not only does

1363
01:03:57,766 --> 01:04:00,766
he say it with a straight face, everyone

1364
01:04:00,886 --> 01:04:03,422
reacts like, oh, well. Well,

1365
01:04:03,494 --> 01:04:05,706
yeah, it's like

1366
01:04:07,286 --> 01:04:10,164
just the. Yeah. We are in, We are in this

1367
01:04:10,220 --> 01:04:12,788
world. This is an MCU world. These things have

1368
01:04:12,812 --> 01:04:15,608
happened. Aliens have hit this earth. Yeah. It's New

1369
01:04:15,632 --> 01:04:18,344
York City. Aliens has been there, like,

1370
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,312
forever. but it's just. It's

1371
01:04:21,344 --> 01:04:24,160
so funny. But I also just this.

1372
01:04:24,248 --> 01:04:26,476
This theme which

1373
01:04:27,016 --> 01:04:29,712
has led over from the original three

1374
01:04:29,784 --> 01:04:32,576
seasons about that the

1375
01:04:32,616 --> 01:04:35,296
difference between not only a

1376
01:04:35,336 --> 01:04:38,038
hero and, or superhero and a

1377
01:04:38,062 --> 01:04:40,550
vigilante, but also an anti

1378
01:04:40,598 --> 01:04:41,306
hero.

1379
01:04:41,636 --> 01:04:42,444
>> Will: Yeah.

1380
01:04:42,620 --> 01:04:45,212
>> Sarah : Because in an anti hero, we get more

1381
01:04:45,284 --> 01:04:47,436
from when. Once Punisher

1382
01:04:47,516 --> 01:04:50,478
arrives. which, I'm sorry, Disney plus work on

1383
01:04:50,502 --> 01:04:53,146
your freaking marketing. I don't want to hear

1384
01:04:53,606 --> 01:04:56,014
any monologues from John

1385
01:04:56,070 --> 01:04:58,702
Barnthal until I watch the show.

1386
01:04:58,774 --> 01:05:00,586
Okay, stop playing

1387
01:05:01,446 --> 01:05:04,046
these. I. I swear to God, I'm so

1388
01:05:04,166 --> 01:05:07,136
angry at them. And then I like how I have the. The

1389
01:05:07,176 --> 01:05:10,144
subscription where ads play

1390
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,024
and they're playing ads for Daredevil. I'm like, I'm. I'm

1391
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,776
watching it. Like, why are you telling.

1392
01:05:15,856 --> 01:05:18,576
Trying to sell me on a show I'm watching. It makes no

1393
01:05:18,616 --> 01:05:19,216
sense.

1394
01:05:19,376 --> 01:05:22,352
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of. Speaking of Punisher, did you did you notice the

1395
01:05:22,356 --> 01:05:25,002
punisher tattoo on the cop that at the end episode

1396
01:05:25,034 --> 01:05:25,562
two?

1397
01:05:25,714 --> 01:05:28,698
>> Sarah : Yes. And from what I understand that means he is a dirty

1398
01:05:28,762 --> 01:05:31,194
cop. Yeah, yeah,

1399
01:05:31,290 --> 01:05:34,246
yeah, he's a dirty cop. And

1400
01:05:35,276 --> 01:05:37,866
like they're, they're. I I.

1401
01:05:38,406 --> 01:05:41,262
Okay, let's get into the final scene. So the final

1402
01:05:41,334 --> 01:05:43,726
scene is, is

1403
01:05:43,846 --> 01:05:46,670
Matt chasing down Nikki

1404
01:05:46,718 --> 01:05:48,946
who is the only witness

1405
01:05:49,846 --> 01:05:52,414
to prove that Hector did not

1406
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:54,644
actually kill this

1407
01:05:54,700 --> 01:05:57,106
detective, this police officer who was

1408
01:05:57,146 --> 01:05:59,878
undercover. and, and

1409
01:06:00,072 --> 01:06:02,858
quickly after he finds Nikki. So do

1410
01:06:02,962 --> 01:06:05,898
the, the NYPD who are out to,

1411
01:06:06,002 --> 01:06:08,848
to get them and then, This is the

1412
01:06:08,872 --> 01:06:11,504
best fight sequence we've gotten. Oh

1413
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,320
yeah, this, this was

1414
01:06:14,408 --> 01:06:17,184
so good. And this was really like. Yes.

1415
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,112
The, like this scene. If

1416
01:06:20,184 --> 01:06:23,056
we can go back to that original question about the edge.

1417
01:06:23,136 --> 01:06:26,036
Did they retain the edge at. And

1418
01:06:26,076 --> 01:06:29,012
the violence. And it wasn't violent for the sake

1419
01:06:29,044 --> 01:06:31,896
of being violence. There's a clear difference.

1420
01:06:32,396 --> 01:06:35,316
Go watch an episode of the Boys and then come

1421
01:06:35,356 --> 01:06:38,100
back very

1422
01:06:38,188 --> 01:06:41,044
different. And, and I love the boys, but

1423
01:06:41,100 --> 01:06:44,036
sometimes they go too far. But the

1424
01:06:44,156 --> 01:06:46,660
edit just, it was so

1425
01:06:46,748 --> 01:06:49,412
well choreographed. I remember

1426
01:06:49,604 --> 01:06:52,004
when we were watching Echo and we

1427
01:06:52,060 --> 01:06:55,036
saw we, we Daredevil

1428
01:06:55,116 --> 01:06:57,916
scene and I told you like this

1429
01:06:57,956 --> 01:07:00,776
choreo is Daredevil Choreo. Like

1430
01:07:01,476 --> 01:07:04,044
I don't know who they have on it,

1431
01:07:04,180 --> 01:07:06,972
but the, the hand to hand combat is

1432
01:07:07,044 --> 01:07:09,676
just so well choreographed.

1433
01:07:09,756 --> 01:07:12,296
It's, it's great. And,

1434
01:07:12,996 --> 01:07:15,804
and also, and I want to hear your thoughts on

1435
01:07:15,860 --> 01:07:18,668
this because I've, I, I found it very. And a

1436
01:07:18,692 --> 01:07:20,496
very interesting observation.

1437
01:07:20,876 --> 01:07:21,386
>> Will: Sure.

1438
01:07:21,386 --> 01:07:24,166
>> Sarah : when he, when Matt is on the floor

1439
01:07:24,506 --> 01:07:27,326
and the gun is pointed to his head,

1440
01:07:28,026 --> 01:07:30,706
who is he saying don't do

1441
01:07:30,746 --> 01:07:33,586
this to? Is he saying don't do

1442
01:07:33,626 --> 01:07:36,514
this to the, the

1443
01:07:36,570 --> 01:07:39,442
police officer or is he saying don't do this

1444
01:07:39,514 --> 01:07:40,726
to himself?

1445
01:07:41,066 --> 01:07:43,606
>> Will: He's talking. I took it as he was talking to himself.

1446
01:07:43,946 --> 01:07:46,860
>> Sarah : Okay. Interesting. Okay.

1447
01:07:47,018 --> 01:07:49,944
That. Wow. I, I should have. For

1448
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,872
some reason I was thinking it was the other

1449
01:07:52,944 --> 01:07:53,596
guy.

1450
01:07:56,816 --> 01:07:58,236
>> Will: Yeah. And I guess.

1451
01:07:59,856 --> 01:08:02,840
Yeah, yeah. No, I, I guess the reason why I fault

1452
01:08:02,888 --> 01:08:05,316
that was just thinking back to the first episode.

1453
01:08:05,886 --> 01:08:08,796
>> Will: And, and, and, and, and you know,

1454
01:08:08,836 --> 01:08:10,936
trying to turn over a new leaf and

1455
01:08:11,556 --> 01:08:14,016
he, you know, he just,

1456
01:08:14,556 --> 01:08:17,428
you know, he really, he's really trying to get past that life. And

1457
01:08:17,452 --> 01:08:19,936
then especially when his reaction at the end

1458
01:08:20,236 --> 01:08:23,188
really just doubled down. Doubled down for me that he

1459
01:08:23,212 --> 01:08:25,906
was just like. I got, I'm you know, I'm trying

1460
01:08:25,946 --> 01:08:28,674
to not go down his path again and,

1461
01:08:28,730 --> 01:08:30,338
and, and here we are.

1462
01:08:30,522 --> 01:08:32,994
>> Sarah : Well, it's more fix was

1463
01:08:33,050 --> 01:08:33,646
right.

1464
01:08:34,026 --> 01:08:36,386
>> Will: Yeah. That, well, that's yeah, yeah, thanks. To

1465
01:08:36,426 --> 01:08:37,224
clarify.

1466
01:08:37,370 --> 01:08:40,220
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, it's that I, I, that

1467
01:08:40,308 --> 01:08:43,308
moment of him screaming. I was like,

1468
01:08:43,332 --> 01:08:46,044
yes. End scene moving, like,

1469
01:08:46,100 --> 01:08:48,988
that's it. We don't need anything else. We don't need a

1470
01:08:49,012 --> 01:08:51,576
montage or anything because

1471
01:08:52,436 --> 01:08:55,176
I, I don't know.

1472
01:08:57,156 --> 01:08:59,452
His fingerprints are all over the place.

1473
01:08:59,604 --> 01:09:00,172
>> Will: Yeah.

1474
01:09:00,284 --> 01:09:02,816
>> Sarah : Blood. He clearly killed those guys.

1475
01:09:03,166 --> 01:09:05,506
Like, I,

1476
01:09:05,886 --> 01:09:08,422
it's, and, and the fact he's already

1477
01:09:08,494 --> 01:09:11,286
rep, he's representing a,

1478
01:09:11,406 --> 01:09:14,108
A, an accused cop

1479
01:09:14,172 --> 01:09:16,764
killer. Only for him to have just killed two

1480
01:09:16,820 --> 01:09:19,596
cops. I get it, I get it.

1481
01:09:19,636 --> 01:09:22,524
Self defense, arguably. But, but at the same

1482
01:09:22,580 --> 01:09:24,844
time, like, it. I do

1483
01:09:24,900 --> 01:09:27,610
appreciate, an ending

1484
01:09:27,738 --> 01:09:30,576
of, of an episode of television in this

1485
01:09:30,616 --> 01:09:33,488
genre where I'm like, okay, well, how do they

1486
01:09:33,512 --> 01:09:36,272
get out of that? They, they better have a good way.

1487
01:09:36,344 --> 01:09:39,168
I know they're going to. But, but how do

1488
01:09:39,192 --> 01:09:42,080
you, how do you clean that up? You get Cherry on the phone

1489
01:09:42,128 --> 01:09:43,008
right away.

1490
01:09:43,192 --> 01:09:45,952
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, Jerry, you're, yeah,

1491
01:09:46,064 --> 01:09:47,516
get here now.

1492
01:09:47,896 --> 01:09:50,480
>> Sarah : Get here now and bring some. I don't know.

1493
01:09:50,568 --> 01:09:53,392
So we, we got, we got some bodies to get rid of.

1494
01:09:53,464 --> 01:09:56,260
>> Will: We got, yeah, we got, we got, we got some

1495
01:09:56,268 --> 01:09:59,140
bodies to get rid of. We got some fingerprints to, like, clean

1496
01:09:59,188 --> 01:10:01,956
up. Yeah, we got, we got, we gotta, we gotta make this place

1497
01:10:01,996 --> 01:10:02,772
clean.

1498
01:10:02,964 --> 01:10:05,756
>> Sarah : Yeah, but, and, and,

1499
01:10:07,166 --> 01:10:09,702
yeah, it just, I, I really

1500
01:10:09,774 --> 01:10:11,346
like how,

1501
01:10:12,926 --> 01:10:15,798
I mean, let's, okay. To kind of

1502
01:10:15,822 --> 01:10:18,710
close it out. You have the opening

1503
01:10:18,758 --> 01:10:20,346
of the first episode

1504
01:10:21,166 --> 01:10:23,734
with. And him. In that moment, right

1505
01:10:23,790 --> 01:10:26,374
after, like, Foggy dies, he

1506
01:10:26,430 --> 01:10:29,158
tosses Bullseye off the

1507
01:10:29,182 --> 01:10:29,990
roof, Right?

1508
01:10:30,078 --> 01:10:31,062
>> Will: Yep, Yep.

1509
01:10:31,174 --> 01:10:33,478
>> Sarah : FYI, I still don't know why Bullseye's alive, but

1510
01:10:33,502 --> 01:10:36,388
whatever. and, and in

1511
01:10:36,412 --> 01:10:38,980
that moment, like, that was out of pain,

1512
01:10:39,108 --> 01:10:41,256
grief and sadness.

1513
01:10:41,916 --> 01:10:44,016
And so it'll be

1514
01:10:44,556 --> 01:10:47,416
interesting to kind of

1515
01:10:47,456 --> 01:10:50,056
understand. Okay,

1516
01:10:50,136 --> 01:10:52,280
so, so what's the self

1517
01:10:52,328 --> 01:10:54,946
justification at the end of episode,

1518
01:10:55,492 --> 01:10:58,400
two, you just killed two people.

1519
01:10:59,980 --> 01:11:02,842
so, so, and I get it. Like, they're the

1520
01:11:02,866 --> 01:11:05,818
bad guys, but at the same time, they are people and

1521
01:11:05,874 --> 01:11:08,230
you're supposedly a hero. So,

1522
01:11:08,930 --> 01:11:11,790
like, like, I, I, I think, think why

1523
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:14,414
it works so well. On top of everything

1524
01:11:14,502 --> 01:11:17,486
we've, we've just gone through with that scene

1525
01:11:17,598 --> 01:11:20,030
is the, the fact that they are also

1526
01:11:20,150 --> 01:11:22,558
proving Fisk is not

1527
01:11:22,614 --> 01:11:25,070
entirely wrong about his assessment of

1528
01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:27,726
Daredevil and Matt

1529
01:11:27,758 --> 01:11:28,638
Murdock.

1530
01:11:28,814 --> 01:11:29,650
>> Will: Yep.

1531
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:33,230
>> Sarah : Which, which we love a villain who

1532
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:35,210
can be right some of the time

1533
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:39,208
because that makes them more menacing. Missing. We don't

1534
01:11:39,224 --> 01:11:40,856
want a stupid villain.

1535
01:11:41,048 --> 01:11:44,008
>> Will: No, no, not at all. Yeah,

1536
01:11:44,104 --> 01:11:46,820
so, yeah, that's, that's a very good point. And

1537
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,200
yeah, you know, I I. Whenever this

1538
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,240
episode ended, I was like, okay, I'm ready. I. I

1539
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,880
am, I am ready for. For the next

1540
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,880
episode because, and

1541
01:11:59,420 --> 01:12:02,020
because of what you just shared there and. And

1542
01:12:02,060 --> 01:12:04,640
also, you know, it also, you know,

1543
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:07,680
Matt's, you know, he's, you know, he's also very religious and everything else too.

1544
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,528
So there's so many things that in that

1545
01:12:10,584 --> 01:12:13,392
moment, whenever he was, you know, at that point, he was just trying to fight

1546
01:12:13,416 --> 01:12:16,302
for survival. But, But you're right. You know

1547
01:12:16,326 --> 01:12:18,862
what. Yeah, part of it was just, you

1548
01:12:18,886 --> 01:12:21,358
know, part of that motivation was to fight.

1549
01:12:21,414 --> 01:12:23,790
Just, you know, I gotta live. And.

1550
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:24,798
>> Sarah : Yeah, and.

1551
01:12:24,934 --> 01:12:27,646
>> Will: But. But then at the same time, you know, he.

1552
01:12:27,718 --> 01:12:30,482
He like, went over that line, and, you

1553
01:12:30,506 --> 01:12:33,426
know, definitely kill one, maybe two people

1554
01:12:33,498 --> 01:12:36,386
there and then, like. Yeah. So it.

1555
01:12:36,458 --> 01:12:39,362
It's gonna be. As

1556
01:12:39,386 --> 01:12:42,210
the season progresses, I. I'm looking forward to

1557
01:12:42,250 --> 01:12:45,042
just sort of seeing how the two of

1558
01:12:45,066 --> 01:12:47,810
them, both fiscal and. And Matt,

1559
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,480
you know, how that Donner conversation plays out

1560
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,216
as far as these two. Two people's true

1561
01:12:54,248 --> 01:12:55,100
natures,

1562
01:12:57,300 --> 01:13:00,040
show themselves over the course of the series.

1563
01:13:00,420 --> 01:13:03,260
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, definitely. Definitely. And

1564
01:13:03,300 --> 01:13:06,108
we will continue this conversation next

1565
01:13:06,164 --> 01:13:08,540
week and resume our

1566
01:13:08,580 --> 01:13:11,160
invincible discussion as well.

1567
01:13:11,700 --> 01:13:14,382
and so until then, Will, why don't you tell our

1568
01:13:14,406 --> 01:13:16,170
listeners where they can find you?

1569
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:19,390
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on all the socials at. Ah, Will and

1570
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:21,808
Pope. W I L L M M P.

1571
01:13:21,864 --> 01:13:24,704
>> Sarah : O L K. You can find me there too, at SJ

1572
01:13:24,752 --> 01:13:27,568
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1573
01:13:27,624 --> 01:13:30,432
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1575
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,160
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1576
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01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:39,216
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1578
01:13:39,288 --> 01:13:42,176
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1579
01:13:42,328 --> 01:13:44,816
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1581
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