Happy Anniversary Podcast! 🎉 Paradise on Hulu: Hit or Miss? Our Honest Review!

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>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with

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me, as always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are you in tonight.

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Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. Happy Thursday night.

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>> Sarah : Happy Thursday. And happy 8th

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anniversary to us.

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>> Will: Yes, yes.

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>> Sarah : As we published our first podcast

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in late January 2017.

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>> Will: Yes, we, yes, we did. Yes, we did. Here we are

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eight years later. We. I think, I think

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I sent you a message last night about it and,

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you sent a message, message back to me that,

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we've, we've gone through, high school and college, so I guess now we're

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starting grad school.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, grad school.

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What? Law school, whatever.

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Like, we're going the distance on this thing. I, I, I'm

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looking forward to the ten year.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, me too. Me too.

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>> Sarah : the, the decade that that will

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be that has gone through many transitions. I was

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also thinking how it's funny we're moving to, we've moved to

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Thursday night. I feel like there are

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long periods of time where we're on one night and

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then because of content, like, eventually we'll get back to

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Tuesday sooner than we did last

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year because, April is on the

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horizon. but, oh,

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I, So

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before we get into paradise and some of like

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the one news item you have,

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I have to tell you, over the weekend, I did a, I did

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a binge. I did a binge watch

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because I finally did it. I finally

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committed to watching the first season of

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Landman.

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>> Will: Oh, yeah, that's, it's on my list of things I want to

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check out.

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>> Sarah : So I basically had it on my TV

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from about 11am

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M. To about 6, 7am and I think,

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or 7pm and then I think I had to finish

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the last episode or watch the

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full last episode, the next night.

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And I was.

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It's an artsy show, so there's a lot

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of, there's a lot of time

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where I would, I was able to do

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stuff while watching it.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : It's also not that complicated of a show.

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Yeah, it's not bad. I understand why people

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like it, especially if they like Yellowstone. I mean,

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it's the same showrunner, same writer.

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Yeah, Sheridan.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : but what was really funny, and I kid you

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not, because I was talking to my parents about this

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show over the weekend because they're the ones who were really

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like, sir, you got to watch Lame Man. You got it. You got. When

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are you going to watch Lame Man? For months. And then I

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finally did because I finally got Paramount plus for

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my Own purposes.

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And in watching it, I thought to myself,

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I need to look this up because

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this score reminds me so

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much of this Is Us.

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Need to see if the composer is the same. It's

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not. I was sitting there

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and I did not look this up, but

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I am 99% sure the

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score of the same composer composed

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score of Paradise. Same guys, this is Us. Because

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there are themes that I just like.

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Okay, that's very eerily similar,

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but so. So, so

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that apparently my mom was telling me my

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dad said the same thing

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and he wasn't even in. Like he. He

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wasn't like a super fan of this Is Us. Okay.

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He saw it on TV every once in a while while my mom

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was watching it, but he did that. And

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then I was telling her about how.

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And then I had to figure out if

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Sheridan is also behind Friday Night Lights

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because I don't know what it is. Both shows take

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places in Texas,

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but there's something about the cinematography, there's something

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about the writing that gave me so money.

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Friday Night Lights vibes. And I. And I looked it

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up and I didn't really see anything, but I.

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I guess my mom heard in an interview

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he was a part of their writer's room.

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He did have something to do with the show. But, which,

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which makes sense. It makes more sense to me

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that he would, like, that would be a

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starting point in his career at like a low level

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position. And he worked his way up and. But

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there's still, still. You learn from your mentors and everything,

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but you can definitely see

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how that whatever role he

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had there helped shape him

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for storytelling because there was just something

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about the way it was shot. And I've never been to

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Texas, but between this show

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and Friday Night Lights, I

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feel as though arguably they do a

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good job about

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really showing

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you how big of a state is the state

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is. And also how there's a lot of nothing.

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think that's also pertaining to the

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places where. I mean, we're talking about the

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oil fields.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : Talking about like places where. Yeah, it's

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not. It's not the big cities that we're focused

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on. so. And I think Billy Bob

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did a good job. But I,

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like I said, I wasn't blown away by

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anything. It was a very straightforward thing.

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Things happen within the first three episode

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that was like, okay, I'll figure out. I

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want to see at least how this whole season

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ends. but.

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And, and overall, if, if you're like

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me and grew up watching Friday

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Night Lights and kind of miss it every now and

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then. I feel like this is a good substitute for that.

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It's, it's very similar

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but different at the same time.

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>> Will: Well, I know. I'm just looking at his, his bio right

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now. He was not a part of

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Friday, Night Lights, but, whenever he was an actor,

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he did have some acting roles as far as Walker, Texas

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Ranger, and, and then as far, you

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know, also as far as,

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you know, TV at this. I guess there's Law. Oh,

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yeah. Land Man, Lioness Football. These are more recent

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shows. But,

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, he's a big runner now.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. but also Mayor Kingstown. I

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don't know if he did that one as well.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I was, I, I. And it's funny

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because I've watched maybe the first few episodes of

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Mayor of Kingstown and it did not. I, I was

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like, no, it's not. He seems

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to have a deal with Paramount plus.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, he definitely does all, all those big

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shows. Yeah. Yeah. And speaking of which, I guess he even had an

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acting role. just. There is a tie into Star

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Trek. I guess he was on Star Trek Enterprise whenever, Whenever. He

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was still acting. And, speaking

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of Paramount plus, I, I was also on that service, that platform

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just this past weekend watching the,

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Star, Trek section 31 film. And I did

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a, I did a live review about it, so

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I won't spend too much time on it here. But,

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yeah, you know, it happened and I'll just leave it, I'll just leave it at

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that.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. I think you sent out some tweets and you're like,

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okay, that happened. That, that happen.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : What, what is, expected to happen during

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the Puppy bowl this year is the

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Superman trailer will be dropped.

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and, I'm. All I can say

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is I feel like I've seen the trailer.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's so funny how, like,

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with this, with this film, I mean, how the, I mean,

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I don't know if people are just. The outrage machine

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is just like, you know, the algorithm just drives it these

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days. Because I was watching a football game Sunday

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and, you know, I, I missed the, like, little

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32nd spot that they had, where he's doing the

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barrel roll. but I just started

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seeing everything, like, you know, trying to, you know, just happen to jump on Twitter

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while I was watching the, the championship games,

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and everybody was just all pissed. Oh, like,

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up in arms over, like, whether or not He.

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If his face was CGI'd or not.

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>> Sarah : Guys, calm down.

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>> Will: Yes.

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>> Sarah : we live in a century where you see CGI

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in some of the most bizarre places.

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>> Will: Yes.

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>> Sarah : But.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : I just. But who cares? And

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also, post production is not done.

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>> Will: Exactly. And also. And

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again, maybe James Glendis needs to get off social media, just pull

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a Kevin Feige and just don't react to

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the algorithm outrage machine,

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because you can't win.

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>> Sarah : Huh? is he reacting?

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>> Will: Oh, yeah, yeah. I know you're not. I know you're not on Threads, but

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he. Yeah, he went to Threads and, you know, basically was

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like, look, the shot was just, you know, there's no

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cgi. It was just. I think he had the camera

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lens that he used just basically made,

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you know, of course, wet face look that

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way. And. And. And. And also.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, look that way, man.

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>> Will: Yeah, but I mean, just. But the fundamental point is

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just like, dude. Really? But, yeah, yeah. But anyway. Yeah,

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I just. It was kind of. I mean, there's, like, stuff going on,

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but I know we had talked about,

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wondering if the full, trailer was going to

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drop on super, Bowl Sunday. And. And it

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will, but, you know, the. The little

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spot that says, go check it out online

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will, be on the, Puppy bowl, which, you know,

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obviously, with tie in with crypto and everything makes. Makes total

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>> Sarah : I think there's more speculation, though, not

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about Superman, because we already got the teaser. Okay. We

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already got teaser. So that's why people are being critical,

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because I think the more expectation is when we're going to get first look

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at Fantastic Four.

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>> Will: Oh, yeah, we'll get.

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>> Sarah : We'll get.

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>> Will: We're getting. Yeah, we're getting next weekend.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's.

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I. I just. I know I'm not

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aware about all this, but, if he's responding to

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people, then it's like, yeah, dude, you're. You

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realize the job you signed up for because,

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like, this is only the start. Wait until

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you're. What. How many. How many M. Movies has

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Feige done?

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>> Will: Yeah, the 40s now.

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>> Sarah : Like. Like, just brace yourself for impact,

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man. Like Snyder did. How many?

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Five? Like, no,

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we are. We are. As viewers and as

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audiences, we are. We're

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spoiled, and we are spoiled rotten.

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And we're just. And. And we're

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unfortunately very loud about it.

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>> Will: Yes, we are.

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>> Sarah : So buckle up.

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>> Will: Buckle up for sure. Buckle up for sure. Yeah, speaking.

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Yeah, I, just happen to think about that as, you know, as I reflect

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on how we've. How even we've

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evolved and changed over time as far as how we approached a

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lot of these stories and stuff. As, you know, as we've, you know,

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always, like, fall into the outrage machine. And even to

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the point where I know we're, you know, sometimes it's like, you know, you don't even watch some

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of the trailers at this point because you're still worried about, learning too

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much. But, it. It is funny, you know, I think, how

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as we started, you know, we started with the Arrowverse,

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and, and, now we've, you know, moved on to other things and,

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you know, expanded our horizons. But, for

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as far as they also.

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>> Sarah : They also shut down.

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>> Will: Yeah, well, no, no, but even before to shut down, even

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before to shut down,

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we're like, oh, yeah, we'll see where this is going. Let's.

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>> Sarah : We were like, Okay, so. So eventually

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this will end. And eventually

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either it'll end or we're like, how

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do we make a quick exit?

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I signed up for a trip, but this is

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taking a left turn. And I don't know. I don't know if I

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can. I can watch this all the way through this car

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crash. we did bail out a few seasons there,

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but you can't. You

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gotta. You gotta do what's best for your mental health. And

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people want to talk about things.

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we've learned how we get more

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out of it when we are excited

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to talk about it, whether that. Be excited

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because we can have some really interesting conversations

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about that are critical of, things,

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and then also just excited because, like,

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listeners respond well to

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either of those kind of conversations. What I don't

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think either us as, podcasters

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or the listeners is when it's

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too repetitious, when it's like they.

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I just. I. And I don't want to do that to our

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listeners. So even though I will

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>> Will: So I. But. But you're right. I mean, but if we're

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checked out, then, you know, the audience can, you know,

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pride ourselves on our authenticity. And.

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authentic selves and not trying to be something else or try

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to, like, force content that, you know, doesn't resonate with

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us. Like, you know, then. Then I think

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it's hopefully, you know, we. We definitely

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see that you all Respond as well as far as our listeners

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and, and we definitely respond to each other, better

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when it, and our better podcasters for, for when

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we are genuinely like, interested in stuff. So

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hopefully we appreciate y'all going with this on

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this, Rod, as we, as we continue, for another

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year. And yeah, let's hit that

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>> Sarah : That, that is the goal right now.

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Right now. So, so at this

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point, I, I want to make it clear to our

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listeners, stop listening if you

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haven't watched Paradise. Yes, yes,

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Stop listening now.

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I kid you not. Please go watch

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the, watch the episode. Watch both episodes and

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come back. Like, I don't, I

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don't, I, you don't. I went into

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this having seen one trailer.

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Okay, that was sufficient.

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Will, did you see two trailers?

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>> Will: I saw two trailers, but it's still just as

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Sarah cannot, emphasize it

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more than what she just said. If you haven't watched the

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episode, especially the pilot, go watch

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it now.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: And then come back and listen to us.

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>> Sarah : And then come back and listen to us. Okay.

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And that is your warning. because,

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yeah, I, I, I should

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have known, Will.

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I should have known. But here's the funny

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thing because I told you this,

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but I didn't, I didn't tell you this one

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thing. Technically, I heard about the

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pilot of this is Us before I watched it.

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>> Will: So it wasn't me.

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>> Sarah : So this is Us.

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old show.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : So I'm not going to say this is

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spoiler, but at the end of the

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so this is Us, the pilot episode

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was groundbreaking, viewer wise. And

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also, and I heard about it because,

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I was listening to like Kristian Harloff, I think he was

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on Collider, and him and Roxy were talking about

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it with Josh McCuga. Man, this show is

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old, but, and they were

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saying like, you're watching it and then

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within the last half hour or last, the

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last scene, there's a subtle movement

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of the camera and you realize

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that Jack and Rebecca

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are the parents, of

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these characters. So you, you're,

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you've, you've just watched an episode of television

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not realizing you're seeing three different points

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in time.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : So, so like, and it was, and it

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was a very bold statement.

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Why did I not go into this?

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I was sitting there

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and I did

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like early on,

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Xavier is running, going on a jog,

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going through the town. And I did think to myself, I was

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like, man, I've been to

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Hollywood and I've been on set Specific before.

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Why does this town look like such a

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set? Yeah, yeah, I,

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but then it faded. And then it faded. It's

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just there were. I, I have not

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rewatched this episode, but

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I had not.

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I was capturing. They did such a

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good job that they were subtle enough with all of

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the context clues, but not

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overly doing

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anything that by the time

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you're figuring it out right when they want you

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to like figure out

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that, oh,

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it's not that we're in present day or anything,

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it's also that we are literally in an

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underground city because of

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something that happens.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And it's just I, and

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I will say, and then we can get some of your

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thoughts on, on that big reveal.

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But. And the whole episode.

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back of my mind, all throughout the episode and even

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leading up, I'm like, I still don't understand why this show is

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called paradise.

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Honestly. Why. Why Paradise?

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And they were so, so at the point

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when Cal mentions like how he's gonna

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retire and go to paradise and everything, I

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was like, oh, so that's Paradise.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah.

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I mean, you know, this, this show because I mean,

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and just a couple things from a

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production standpoint, then I'll talk about the actual episode

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too. you know, with the reveal. So, you know, I

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wasn't this is US watcher, but I did watch

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the, did watch the pilot and stuff because I think you, I think

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you and I met about the time that when we first met, the show

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was going on and I remember you talking about it. I remember you.

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you know, and so I'll, you know, so. But maybe

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I guess around 2019 or so, I probably finally did like

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watched a couple of the pilot, the first few episodes and stuff.

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So. But you know, but obviously you know, but I'm not

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a. As far as Dan Fogelman's work. I mean it's

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really, you know, I, I, I, by the

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time I did watch it, it, the show was already

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in I think it's third or fourth season. So it was too, you know, I

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was way behind and there was just no way I could catch up.

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but, but you know, but one of the things

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that, with this to speaking of the

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reveal at the end of paradise and,

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and this show generally,

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it was very vague as far as the

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taglines what, what was, what

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was going on here. And, and I think that was one of

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the. So you know, from the start,

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like you said, with, with when Xavier is jogging

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and we're you know, he wakes up that morning,

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and the, you know, it's like you said, all the little context

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clues as far as, like, you just sort of explore, you know, exploring. Okay.

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Realize that, okay, he's a widower. We get that.

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>> Sarah : I want to talk about that. But I think

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what you're getting at, it's that

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they forced focus on things

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and kept certain things out of focus.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : If that makes sense. This pilot

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episode is structured very much where going

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into it, you're like, okay, his boss

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is going to die and they're going to blame him.

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Or. Or like there's some kind of conspiracy thing

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going on. So that's what you're watching while

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you're also picking up some things. Because,

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like, if we want to start at the very beginning,

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retrospectively, I find

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the opening shot to be fascinating. Just

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because it's like, him in bed,

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dark, and that

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there's clearly. He's

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on his side of the bed, and he reaches over

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and very poignantly, his hand is, like,

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perfectly centered and it shows the wedding

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ring.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Now the rest of the episode,

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they don't verbatim, say she's dead.

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No, I really. Right.

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So part of you is also like, okay, so

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now there's this other mystery about him and

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his wife. What's going on there. And

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you don't find out until the second episode that, yes,

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she is deceased. Right. And

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so that allows to, like. Okay,

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so they want that to be like, a more

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of a family story. But

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yeah. Yeah. Cause the next

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one comes with James and the giant

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peach. And I warned you, Will,

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that there's a few scenes that I have some

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soapbox moment.

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>> Will: You warned me about that last Sunday night.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I just had one of them. and my next one is

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going to be about James and Giant Peach.

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Just because I did

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clock it. I was like, why. Why is he

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so weird about that book?

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that initially. But I just

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love how

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it We.

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We. We fast forward

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to towards when we find out

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what his conversation, his last

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conversation with Cal was about.

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we learn about the significance of James and

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Giant Peach. And it's

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not. And

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it was done so well because

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he basically says his wife was obsessed

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with the novel and he learned all of this

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stuff about it, and then he drops the tidbit.

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Did you know that it was going to be James and the Giant

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Cherry? And now all I can think about is,

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if that was the title,

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what would the name of our son be?

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Like, it wouldn't be James or would it?

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And really, what that

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story from the past

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is telling the viewers is

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currently in paradise. All he

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can think to himself is, what

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would have happened if

510
00:23:32,686 --> 00:23:35,414
Cal had kept the

511
00:23:35,470 --> 00:23:38,026
same lead agent. Yeah,

512
00:23:39,006 --> 00:23:41,892
that's brilliant. Yeah, like. Like,

513
00:23:41,964 --> 00:23:44,964
it's just. Oh, I could

514
00:23:45,020 --> 00:23:47,556
go into so much about

515
00:23:47,676 --> 00:23:50,500
why that is so substantial, and it's

516
00:23:50,548 --> 00:23:53,336
mainly because it's a perfect example

517
00:23:53,836 --> 00:23:56,740
of the use of a flashback.

518
00:23:56,868 --> 00:23:59,716
Like, this whole show so far,

519
00:23:59,756 --> 00:24:01,616
we're only two episodes in

520
00:24:02,316 --> 00:24:04,772
that. But I am

521
00:24:04,844 --> 00:24:07,716
loving their use of flashbacks to not

522
00:24:07,756 --> 00:24:10,708
only contextualize the history of

523
00:24:10,732 --> 00:24:13,156
the characters, but more importantly, to

524
00:24:13,196 --> 00:24:16,164
contextualize the present day. I feel like

525
00:24:16,220 --> 00:24:18,900
over the last years, we've watched several

526
00:24:18,988 --> 00:24:21,896
shows, and the first one that comes to mind is Reacher.

527
00:24:22,236 --> 00:24:24,916
This past season of Reacher, season two,

528
00:24:25,036 --> 00:24:27,764
there was an entire Bee storyline

529
00:24:27,860 --> 00:24:30,708
in flashback. And I complained

530
00:24:30,772 --> 00:24:32,416
the entire time.

531
00:24:33,676 --> 00:24:36,286
I was like, why are we

532
00:24:36,326 --> 00:24:39,214
watching what feels like two different shows?

533
00:24:39,390 --> 00:24:42,110
But, like, the flashbacks aren't really

534
00:24:42,198 --> 00:24:44,846
saying anything significant about who these

535
00:24:44,886 --> 00:24:47,598
characters were versus who they are now.

536
00:24:47,702 --> 00:24:50,462
Like. Like, I understood how they were using

537
00:24:50,534 --> 00:24:52,466
it. It just. It wasn't.

538
00:24:53,366 --> 00:24:56,014
It wasn't anything special. But

539
00:24:56,150 --> 00:24:58,462
Dan Fogelman, what he's doing with

540
00:24:58,534 --> 00:25:01,406
this, and it makes all the sense in the world for what

541
00:25:01,446 --> 00:25:03,886
he. How he played with time in this Is

542
00:25:03,926 --> 00:25:06,156
Us. But the

543
00:25:06,196 --> 00:25:07,976
flashbacks are really

544
00:25:09,476 --> 00:25:11,846
showing you in very, unsurprising,

545
00:25:12,346 --> 00:25:15,006
like, surprising ways about

546
00:25:15,306 --> 00:25:17,970
why the characters are behaving. They are.

547
00:25:18,138 --> 00:25:19,826
Way they are in present day.

548
00:25:19,946 --> 00:25:22,898
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was whenever I have that

549
00:25:22,922 --> 00:25:25,166
moment, whenever. At the end of

550
00:25:25,866 --> 00:25:28,610
pulling it, pulling the book

551
00:25:28,698 --> 00:25:31,328
and the story and understanding

552
00:25:31,392 --> 00:25:34,032
why Xavier had that reaction

553
00:25:34,144 --> 00:25:37,008
when his son was. Was reading the book. So first I was like,

554
00:25:37,032 --> 00:25:39,520
okay. I mean, I know Roald all. I mean, you know, so.

555
00:25:39,688 --> 00:25:42,592
And I was like, so what's

556
00:25:42,624 --> 00:25:45,264
so significant, you know, about

557
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,208
why. You know, because. Yeah. I mean, this book was banned and

558
00:25:48,232 --> 00:25:50,832
stuff, so I was like, hey, you know, so I was trying to figure out, like, okay,

559
00:25:50,864 --> 00:25:53,276
now what's about real doll. That's like.

560
00:25:53,736 --> 00:25:56,576
Ronaldo was like. Calls him

561
00:25:56,616 --> 00:25:59,488
just have that reaction. And. But then whenever, like you

562
00:25:59,512 --> 00:26:02,368
said, the use of the flashback to, like, it

563
00:26:02,392 --> 00:26:04,556
just really just contextualized everything

564
00:26:05,096 --> 00:26:07,936
that. That. What. That

565
00:26:08,056 --> 00:26:10,624
why Xavier reacted the way that he did.

566
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,876
And not only the,

567
00:26:13,616 --> 00:26:16,568
you know, the story, but also there's that quick moment

568
00:26:16,712 --> 00:26:19,400
when they flash as far as, you know, with the.

569
00:26:19,488 --> 00:26:21,516
With Xavier's wife.

570
00:26:22,556 --> 00:26:25,296
and. And of course, you know, and we get.

571
00:26:25,846 --> 00:26:27,070
>> Sarah : That's the second episode.

572
00:26:27,118 --> 00:26:30,106
>> Will: Oh, yeah. Second episode. Yeah. That's the only thing I'm glad we didn't do all three.

573
00:26:30,806 --> 00:26:33,550
Yeah, I would have put it all three of this. Yeah. But,

574
00:26:33,638 --> 00:26:36,382
but, but, but at least it did. Yeah, but I mean. But yeah,

575
00:26:36,414 --> 00:26:39,086
that's to, to that point it does. Like, you know, when we do get

576
00:26:39,126 --> 00:26:41,646
confirmation, it just like really explains their

577
00:26:41,686 --> 00:26:42,626
relationship.

578
00:26:44,256 --> 00:26:47,208
and, and why he was just so, why he was

579
00:26:47,232 --> 00:26:50,040
just so, you know, bitter

580
00:26:50,088 --> 00:26:52,946
towards him. you know, whenever that,

581
00:26:52,986 --> 00:26:55,842
that, that last night before, Before Wildcat goes

582
00:26:55,874 --> 00:26:56,446
down.

583
00:26:56,906 --> 00:26:59,794
>> Sarah : Wait, wait, wait, wait. So wait,

584
00:26:59,810 --> 00:27:01,026
you gotta, you gotta.

585
00:27:01,186 --> 00:27:01,762
>> Will: Yeah.

586
00:27:01,874 --> 00:27:04,786
>> Sarah : I don't know if you ex. Expressed, your point.

587
00:27:04,906 --> 00:27:07,730
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. No, I guess the, I mean, I

588
00:27:07,738 --> 00:27:10,546
guess it explains. Thanks for. Yeah, thanks. I was

589
00:27:10,586 --> 00:27:12,766
getting the episodes conflated there.

590
00:27:14,906 --> 00:27:17,778
hearing the story at the end of the episode makes it,

591
00:27:17,882 --> 00:27:20,678
it really, it, it contextualize why for

592
00:27:20,702 --> 00:27:22,386
me, why he was so.

593
00:27:23,246 --> 00:27:26,182
His, his reaction that morning at breakfast whenever

594
00:27:26,214 --> 00:27:29,088
the book came up. and to your point, it

595
00:27:29,112 --> 00:27:32,000
does explain. You know, it's a great use of

596
00:27:32,008 --> 00:27:34,976
flashback to just flesh out these characters and help

597
00:27:35,016 --> 00:27:37,264
us understand their motivations and.

598
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,032
>> Sarah : Right.

599
00:27:38,184 --> 00:27:40,918
>> Will: And you know, and we learn so much

600
00:27:40,942 --> 00:27:43,846
about them, you know, with a natural flow of the

601
00:27:43,886 --> 00:27:46,436
story instead of just, you know, just

602
00:27:46,492 --> 00:27:47,012
exposition.

603
00:27:47,060 --> 00:27:48,978
>> Sarah : Dump of oh my God.

604
00:27:49,638 --> 00:27:52,254
>> Will: Telling us, you know, showing us instead of telling

605
00:27:52,286 --> 00:27:52,814
us.

606
00:27:52,966 --> 00:27:55,726
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. I mean, you could argue

607
00:27:55,822 --> 00:27:58,814
like this is all dialogue, but it's, it's

608
00:27:58,846 --> 00:28:01,838
the way it's written where it feels like honest

609
00:28:01,918 --> 00:28:04,670
conversations between people who have

610
00:28:04,774 --> 00:28:07,086
history. Like I,

611
00:28:07,222 --> 00:28:09,918
I. Again,

612
00:28:10,038 --> 00:28:12,350
we've watched shows where there are

613
00:28:12,374 --> 00:28:15,092
characters who are mainly

614
00:28:15,270 --> 00:28:17,748
or pretty much have to be in the past.

615
00:28:18,738 --> 00:28:21,674
those characters never stand out to me because I'm like, oh, you're

616
00:28:21,706 --> 00:28:23,898
dead. Cal is amazing.

617
00:28:24,058 --> 00:28:24,490
>> Will: Yeah.

618
00:28:24,554 --> 00:28:27,530
>> Sarah : Oh, James Marsden, I'm

619
00:28:27,594 --> 00:28:30,218
so glad that you are on the up and

620
00:28:30,258 --> 00:28:33,210
up because you're you,

621
00:28:33,314 --> 00:28:35,898
you are cast so well in this part.

622
00:28:36,018 --> 00:28:36,628
>> Will: Totally.

623
00:28:36,628 --> 00:28:39,540
>> Sarah : like you knew it from the moment Xavier went in for the

624
00:28:39,564 --> 00:28:42,452
interview. Like I felt as a viewer,

625
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:45,168
I was interviewing James Marsden because

626
00:28:45,628 --> 00:28:47,892
I know Sterling K. Brown. Like,

627
00:28:47,980 --> 00:28:50,916
Sterling, arguably, he's doing

628
00:28:50,972 --> 00:28:53,924
the same role as a lot of things, but whatever. It's Sterling

629
00:28:53,956 --> 00:28:56,502
K. Brown, James Marsden. Though

630
00:28:56,590 --> 00:28:59,206
I'm glad that it was clear to me he's not

631
00:28:59,262 --> 00:29:01,862
necessarily poking fun at a

632
00:29:01,950 --> 00:29:04,738
single president, but more of like

633
00:29:05,118 --> 00:29:06,898
a few mixed together.

634
00:29:08,878 --> 00:29:11,702
It's not an impression or anything. No,

635
00:29:11,870 --> 00:29:13,538
but you also

636
00:29:14,878 --> 00:29:17,830
over with all the scenes, especially in the

637
00:29:17,854 --> 00:29:20,310
second episode, you do start to see the

638
00:29:20,334 --> 00:29:23,298
charm. And I think that

639
00:29:23,678 --> 00:29:26,512
why I, the casting

640
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,280
is so good because the chemistry between these two

641
00:29:29,384 --> 00:29:31,974
and the just

642
00:29:32,046 --> 00:29:34,886
the, the within the first beating

643
00:29:34,982 --> 00:29:37,142
the. So you hired me because I was black.

644
00:29:37,230 --> 00:29:37,898
>> Will: Yeah.

645
00:29:39,098 --> 00:29:41,794
>> Sarah : No, no, I didn't. I.

646
00:29:41,866 --> 00:29:44,610
I'm hired. You because you're good. It's a

647
00:29:44,634 --> 00:29:45,810
bonus that you're black.

648
00:29:45,914 --> 00:29:46,242
>> Will: Yeah.

649
00:29:46,290 --> 00:29:48,818
>> Sarah : Yeah, it

650
00:29:48,858 --> 00:29:51,634
is. It's just. It was just the way.

651
00:29:51,706 --> 00:29:54,706
And then he. Of course, we. We see.

652
00:29:54,842 --> 00:29:57,666
Which I thought initially was a bit premature

653
00:29:57,762 --> 00:30:00,482
because we. We do see during the

654
00:30:00,490 --> 00:30:03,346
opening montage that there's a bullet wound on

655
00:30:03,402 --> 00:30:04,444
Xavier's back.

656
00:30:04,546 --> 00:30:04,952
>> Will: Yep.

657
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,880
>> Sarah : And we learn within the first episode where that came from. It

658
00:30:07,904 --> 00:30:10,456
came from saving the President from an

659
00:30:10,512 --> 00:30:13,256
assassination attempt. And

660
00:30:13,392 --> 00:30:15,976
I was like, whoa, whoa, we're. We're getting that this

661
00:30:16,032 --> 00:30:18,936
early? But I.

662
00:30:18,992 --> 00:30:21,976
I'm. I'm guessing that there's a lot more to tell than

663
00:30:22,032 --> 00:30:24,968
just where that bullet wound came from. And it

664
00:30:25,008 --> 00:30:27,508
allowed for another good

665
00:30:27,968 --> 00:30:30,678
kind of past meets past present

666
00:30:30,798 --> 00:30:33,654
situation, like James and Giant Peach. Because

667
00:30:33,726 --> 00:30:35,938
this episode is called Wildcat Down.

668
00:30:36,638 --> 00:30:39,142
But you hear when

669
00:30:39,230 --> 00:30:42,018
Xavier in present day calls in

670
00:30:42,798 --> 00:30:45,768
that. Or when he calls his,

671
00:30:45,718 --> 00:30:48,480
other agent, Wallace. Billy.

672
00:30:48,576 --> 00:30:49,680
>> Will: Yep. Billy.

673
00:30:49,856 --> 00:30:52,412
>> Sarah : He doesn't say Wildcat Down.

674
00:30:52,792 --> 00:30:55,442
He says, Lancaster.

675
00:30:55,602 --> 00:30:57,876
Right? Yeah, yeah,

676
00:30:57,924 --> 00:31:00,836
Lancaster. Leitner. Leitner. Kristian

677
00:31:00,884 --> 00:31:01,428
Leitner.

678
00:31:01,540 --> 00:31:03,992
>> Will: Leitner, yeah. Kristian Leitner. Yeah. Basketball.

679
00:31:04,332 --> 00:31:07,092
>> Sarah : Yeah. Kristian Link. Laetner. And

680
00:31:07,132 --> 00:31:09,844
we don't. And, and so for a moment I was

681
00:31:09,868 --> 00:31:12,772
like, what, What? Why, why

682
00:31:12,812 --> 00:31:15,812
you say that, babe? Like, again, people. I don't know.

683
00:31:15,852 --> 00:31:17,668
I. I was paying attention.

684
00:31:17,780 --> 00:31:18,628
>> Will: Yep, yep.

685
00:31:18,740 --> 00:31:21,312
>> Sarah : And I did not see the end coming.

686
00:31:23,582 --> 00:31:26,166
But. So, so then

687
00:31:26,334 --> 00:31:29,254
fast forward to the flashback of

688
00:31:29,278 --> 00:31:32,118
him getting shot and taking the bullet for Cal.

689
00:31:32,270 --> 00:31:35,110
Cal is by his bedside. And

690
00:31:35,166 --> 00:31:37,926
then we hear this great story

691
00:31:38,014 --> 00:31:40,534
from Cal about the

692
00:31:40,558 --> 00:31:43,462
Wildcats and, And what it

693
00:31:43,502 --> 00:31:45,722
means to get Kristian Laettner.

694
00:31:46,142 --> 00:31:48,774
And I'm just. I'm like, oh, my

695
00:31:48,798 --> 00:31:51,178
God, the writing, the writing.

696
00:31:51,290 --> 00:31:54,272
>> Will: And, I will tell you someone who, yeah, so, so

697
00:31:54,312 --> 00:31:57,168
good. As someone who lives on Tobacco Road where

698
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,144
Duke and North Carolina, and. And

699
00:32:00,168 --> 00:32:03,072
I love the. I love the banter too, because, you know,

700
00:32:03,192 --> 00:32:05,542
thinking back to, like the conversation of,

701
00:32:06,792 --> 00:32:09,648
whenever. With the interview with Cal

702
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,608
and. And Xavier, you know, about

703
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,664
race and black and, and just the, you

704
00:32:15,688 --> 00:32:18,654
know, you know, Cal just assume it just. Just

705
00:32:18,678 --> 00:32:21,454
because Xavier is a black man. He.

706
00:32:21,558 --> 00:32:24,542
He was a big basketball fan or big sports fan or whatever.

707
00:32:24,622 --> 00:32:27,422
And, you know, and again, it just. Conversations like that

708
00:32:27,462 --> 00:32:30,398
flesh out the character. Again, you know, it's, it's,

709
00:32:30,430 --> 00:32:33,326
you know, to use a dialogue in, In a, in an

710
00:32:33,414 --> 00:32:35,966
efficient and, and, and realistic

711
00:32:36,014 --> 00:32:36,602
way.

712
00:32:36,982 --> 00:32:37,678
>> Sarah : Yeah.

713
00:32:37,790 --> 00:32:40,574
>> Will: Really, really works there. So. Yeah, so.

714
00:32:40,678 --> 00:32:43,470
So whenever I heard a Kristian Latener remark, you know, the story.

715
00:32:43,526 --> 00:32:46,182
And, and of course, remembering that, Remembering, that

716
00:32:46,222 --> 00:32:49,052
shot, you know, because I'm a big sports fan and stuff, and it just,

717
00:32:49,092 --> 00:32:51,900
again, it just like, it just added another level

718
00:32:51,956 --> 00:32:54,940
for me as far as, like, all this show

719
00:32:54,996 --> 00:32:55,836
gets it.

720
00:32:56,004 --> 00:32:57,592
>> Sarah : Oh, yeah. Like,

721
00:32:58,772 --> 00:33:01,724
it's. It's not just that the show gets it, that the

722
00:33:01,748 --> 00:33:04,352
show is doing some,

723
00:33:04,914 --> 00:33:07,722
This is one of the best pilots I've seen in

724
00:33:07,762 --> 00:33:09,130
arguably eight years.

725
00:33:09,266 --> 00:33:11,978
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, I was hooked. I mean, I.

726
00:33:12,130 --> 00:33:14,914
For moment, from the start to finish, finished. I was just like, I

727
00:33:14,938 --> 00:33:17,874
couldn't wait, you know, because. Because, you know, I messaged you. I was

728
00:33:17,898 --> 00:33:20,706
like, hey, the show, it dropped early because it was really going to

729
00:33:20,714 --> 00:33:23,570
drop, you know, Tuesday, and it dropped it early on Sunday

730
00:33:23,626 --> 00:33:26,594
night. So I was like, hey, let me. Let you. Let me

731
00:33:26,618 --> 00:33:29,186
tell you now because I want to talk, especially

732
00:33:29,274 --> 00:33:32,076
after, Especially after I watched it. I was like, okay, please watch it tonight,

733
00:33:32,124 --> 00:33:33,912
please, so I can, like, say something to you.

734
00:33:34,372 --> 00:33:37,356
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. Because it's. It's also something you're like, I

735
00:33:37,364 --> 00:33:40,308
don't want to spoil that for anybody, but it's

736
00:33:40,340 --> 00:33:42,228
just the

737
00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:45,124
execution from start to

738
00:33:45,148 --> 00:33:47,764
finish is so good. And.

739
00:33:47,868 --> 00:33:50,788
Yeah, and I kept thinking

740
00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:53,652
about this. I'm like, it feels

741
00:33:53,732 --> 00:33:56,692
different talking about the brilliance of this show

742
00:33:56,732 --> 00:33:59,604
in this pilot episode versus when we

743
00:33:59,628 --> 00:34:02,418
were ragging not only, a few months ago, talking

744
00:34:02,450 --> 00:34:05,108
about the brilliance of Penguins pilot

745
00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:07,664
or even, surprisingly, Agatha all

746
00:34:07,688 --> 00:34:09,920
along. But those are different

747
00:34:10,056 --> 00:34:12,252
legacy. I think what people

748
00:34:12,552 --> 00:34:14,732
forget is

749
00:34:15,592 --> 00:34:17,680
this is an original series.

750
00:34:17,816 --> 00:34:19,376
>> Will: Yes. Yes. Yeah.

751
00:34:19,424 --> 00:34:22,176
>> Sarah : An original series that is also

752
00:34:22,264 --> 00:34:25,252
not technically not based in. In,

753
00:34:25,202 --> 00:34:26,822
in steep mythology.

754
00:34:27,882 --> 00:34:30,836
It's. It's so. So it, For all intents

755
00:34:30,884 --> 00:34:33,016
and purposes, this should have been a very

756
00:34:33,164 --> 00:34:36,048
simple and routine

757
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,136
procedural. But there's. Which.

758
00:34:39,224 --> 00:34:42,112
There is enough of that to not

759
00:34:42,152 --> 00:34:44,816
overcomplicate things. But there's

760
00:34:44,864 --> 00:34:47,760
also this subtleness that just

761
00:34:47,816 --> 00:34:50,736
makes it feel so much more

762
00:34:50,824 --> 00:34:53,008
alive and refreshing

763
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,184
to hear actual

764
00:34:55,248 --> 00:34:57,872
dialogue, not get exposition

765
00:34:57,952 --> 00:35:00,832
dumps, not have to worry about, like, oh, man,

766
00:35:00,872 --> 00:35:03,490
I have to know what happened 100 years back

767
00:35:03,536 --> 00:35:05,602
prior. Like, yeah,

768
00:35:06,182 --> 00:35:09,134
just five. Five years prior. We have to

769
00:35:09,158 --> 00:35:11,678
figure out. But we'll get there eventually.

770
00:35:11,870 --> 00:35:14,510
We're here for the. The ride. And.

771
00:35:14,646 --> 00:35:17,402
And it's just a lot of things where

772
00:35:18,022 --> 00:35:20,766
I didn't really even pick up on this until

773
00:35:20,934 --> 00:35:23,550
I was sat down to watch the next. The second

774
00:35:23,606 --> 00:35:26,042
episode, Sinatra. But

775
00:35:26,422 --> 00:35:29,070
he. So he finds Cal's body,

776
00:35:29,126 --> 00:35:32,088
and we're going to do a synopsis of the actual events

777
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,572
and then jump into the second episode, guys.

778
00:35:34,792 --> 00:35:37,440
but I just want to get through this. These few

779
00:35:37,496 --> 00:35:40,208
beats first that he finds Cal's

780
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:42,944
body and he doesn't call it

781
00:35:42,968 --> 00:35:45,792
in. He looks for the safe and then

782
00:35:45,832 --> 00:35:48,592
it's the mystery for the next 20 minutes is

783
00:35:48,632 --> 00:35:51,328
like why is he so concerned about

784
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,384
this? Whatever was in the safe, we find out that

785
00:35:54,408 --> 00:35:57,272
it was the tablet containing the world's

786
00:35:57,772 --> 00:36:00,548
biggest darkest secrets, global

787
00:36:00,620 --> 00:36:01,860
news, etc.

788
00:36:01,956 --> 00:36:02,740
>> Will: Yeah.

789
00:36:02,916 --> 00:36:05,512
>> Sarah : But the most importantly,

790
00:36:06,092 --> 00:36:09,092
he takes a cigarette box from

791
00:36:09,132 --> 00:36:10,372
Cap, right?

792
00:36:10,492 --> 00:36:11,252
>> Will: Yep.

793
00:36:11,412 --> 00:36:14,196
>> Sarah : And he find we. We see him running

794
00:36:14,244 --> 00:36:17,172
back through town and that's when we start to

795
00:36:17,212 --> 00:36:19,940
realize where they actually are and where

796
00:36:19,996 --> 00:36:22,272
the setting in present day is

797
00:36:22,612 --> 00:36:25,164
paradise and what paradise is.

798
00:36:25,268 --> 00:36:26,552
And he

799
00:36:28,352 --> 00:36:31,048
So I didn't. And then he picks

800
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,624
up, he pulls out the cigarette and it shows a

801
00:36:33,648 --> 00:36:36,552
code. And that leads us into the next

802
00:36:36,592 --> 00:36:39,416
episode. But here's my point

803
00:36:39,504 --> 00:36:42,408
for bringing that up. Not just because of the code

804
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,332
and it's significant in episode two, but

805
00:36:45,712 --> 00:36:46,452
that

806
00:36:48,362 --> 00:36:51,234
the second flashback we see between Cal

807
00:36:51,338 --> 00:36:53,554
and Xavier. Cal is

808
00:36:53,578 --> 00:36:56,542
smoking and he

809
00:36:57,002 --> 00:36:59,714
and Xavier like they have an

810
00:36:59,738 --> 00:37:02,658
exchange because Cal, Cal. I feel like it wants

811
00:37:02,690 --> 00:37:04,018
Xavier to smoke.

812
00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:06,994
>> Will: Yeah, he

813
00:37:07,018 --> 00:37:09,182
wants him to drink and he wants him to smoke. But.

814
00:37:09,962 --> 00:37:12,706
>> Sarah : But, but what? What? Because what's in that

815
00:37:12,794 --> 00:37:13,978
box will kill you.

816
00:37:14,090 --> 00:37:14,794
>> Will: Yep.

817
00:37:14,938 --> 00:37:17,562
>> Sarah : And. And it turns out that there's the

818
00:37:17,602 --> 00:37:20,022
significance of this eight digit number

819
00:37:21,042 --> 00:37:23,786
potentially could behind

820
00:37:23,874 --> 00:37:26,714
it lead to have led to Cal's death.

821
00:37:26,818 --> 00:37:29,674
And it's just like that subtleness again, I didn't even pick it

822
00:37:29,698 --> 00:37:32,634
up in the moment it took me to watching the

823
00:37:32,658 --> 00:37:35,354
second episode to make that connection between

824
00:37:35,458 --> 00:37:38,394
that line and that,

825
00:37:38,498 --> 00:37:39,536
that scene.

826
00:37:39,714 --> 00:37:42,500
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, that, that's a great point

827
00:37:42,556 --> 00:37:45,392
also to you know,

828
00:37:45,432 --> 00:37:48,304
not only with that scene where they are out on

829
00:37:48,328 --> 00:37:50,758
the porch, there outside the Oval Office

830
00:37:50,830 --> 00:37:53,008
and the

831
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,808
discussing whether about kids.

832
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,304
>> Sarah : Yeah.

833
00:37:56,368 --> 00:37:58,812
>> Will: And, and, and, and

834
00:38:00,202 --> 00:38:03,074
you know, they have this discussion as far as like you plan on

835
00:38:03,098 --> 00:38:05,762
having any more. And then Kyle's like that's probably a good

836
00:38:05,802 --> 00:38:08,768
idea. And then when you tie that into like whatever

837
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,664
is on that tablet, especially after the assassination attempt

838
00:38:11,728 --> 00:38:13,612
and where you know

839
00:38:14,152 --> 00:38:17,102
where. Because of that moment

840
00:38:17,182 --> 00:38:19,722
and you know, and also with

841
00:38:20,022 --> 00:38:23,012
whenever Xavier's recuperating in the hospital and

842
00:38:23,052 --> 00:38:25,652
just you know, whenever they had

843
00:38:25,692 --> 00:38:28,452
that, that unspoken

844
00:38:28,532 --> 00:38:31,444
like realization of what, what has happened

845
00:38:31,508 --> 00:38:34,378
and, and now that their bond really, you know,

846
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:37,390
just seeing how that relationship evolved and then that, that you know

847
00:38:37,446 --> 00:38:39,934
he took a bullet for him literally. And,

848
00:38:40,118 --> 00:38:42,910
and that opened the door

849
00:38:43,006 --> 00:38:43,642
to

850
00:38:45,382 --> 00:38:48,174
getting in, coming into office with all the

851
00:38:48,198 --> 00:38:51,150
national security folks and stuff and they're like we have something

852
00:38:51,206 --> 00:38:54,174
we want to tell you. And they let him in on the. What's going on with you

853
00:38:54,198 --> 00:38:57,022
know, the box, you know, secrets and all that kind of stuff,

854
00:38:57,102 --> 00:38:57,726
so.

855
00:38:57,894 --> 00:38:59,470
>> Sarah : Well, they let him on the plane.

856
00:38:59,566 --> 00:39:00,766
>> Will: And he let him on the plane.

857
00:39:00,814 --> 00:39:03,790
>> Sarah : Yeah. And his children on the plane. And

858
00:39:03,926 --> 00:39:06,762
we'll find out eventually why the W wasn't there

859
00:39:06,802 --> 00:39:07,066
either.

860
00:39:07,114 --> 00:39:10,062
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. and one of the things I was

861
00:39:10,102 --> 00:39:12,926
thinking with the code is like, is it, you know, is this code tied

862
00:39:12,974 --> 00:39:15,630
to. To the wife and stuff? Especially what we learned in the second

863
00:39:15,686 --> 00:39:18,612
episode. But let me get back to the first episode. where

864
00:39:18,652 --> 00:39:21,540
I was going with that is just with the line

865
00:39:21,596 --> 00:39:24,324
about, you know, it's probably a good thing, not that you're probably

866
00:39:24,388 --> 00:39:27,204
not having anymore, just, you

867
00:39:27,228 --> 00:39:30,164
know, clearly shows that Cal knew

868
00:39:30,228 --> 00:39:32,980
something. Something was afoot that was going to cause this global

869
00:39:33,036 --> 00:39:35,992
catastrophe that led them all to go underground.

870
00:39:36,442 --> 00:39:39,138
And so that's another one of those, again,

871
00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:42,116
context clues and another, like, line of dialogue, that

872
00:39:42,220 --> 00:39:45,044
at the moment you don't realize it in the flashback, but

873
00:39:45,084 --> 00:39:47,796
then when you carry forward and see where, you know, when we get the big

874
00:39:47,820 --> 00:39:50,676
reveal at the end, why it makes. All makes so

875
00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:53,188
much great sense and how they just sort of

876
00:39:53,276 --> 00:39:55,904
unpack this mystery that's taking place in the show.

877
00:39:56,364 --> 00:39:58,804
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, you

878
00:39:58,924 --> 00:40:01,588
though those scenes and we are

879
00:40:01,676 --> 00:40:04,638
going into the second episode lead us to

880
00:40:04,726 --> 00:40:06,474
understand why.

881
00:40:07,894 --> 00:40:10,862
How. How Xavier earned his

882
00:40:10,918 --> 00:40:13,716
way to getting onto the plane, and saving

883
00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:16,464
his family from whatever happened. But,

884
00:40:17,974 --> 00:40:20,894
I just want to understand why Billy got on the plane

885
00:40:21,054 --> 00:40:23,834
and why Billy seems to know a lot more.

886
00:40:25,094 --> 00:40:28,062
Like anybody else curious about that. I would just

887
00:40:28,118 --> 00:40:30,966
like from the opening scene between the two of

888
00:40:30,990 --> 00:40:33,782
them, I was at first thinking they didn't really like each other,

889
00:40:33,838 --> 00:40:36,774
but. No, no, no. Billy and Xavier are tight.

890
00:40:36,854 --> 00:40:39,734
>> Will: They're tight. Yeah. I mean, Billy. Yeah. Cause I think he wasn't.

891
00:40:39,814 --> 00:40:42,758
I think Billy held onto that cigarette pack until Kyle

892
00:40:42,806 --> 00:40:45,526
was like, walking out of the room. I think they just had that,

893
00:40:45,550 --> 00:40:48,524
like a quick handoff. yeah, yeah, yeah.

894
00:40:48,604 --> 00:40:49,036
So.

895
00:40:49,140 --> 00:40:51,580
>> Sarah : So. So the next

896
00:40:51,652 --> 00:40:54,510
episode, Sinatra is all about Samantha

897
00:40:54,542 --> 00:40:57,496
Redmond, who we. We learn about in

898
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,294
this episode. We meet briefly, when.

899
00:41:00,414 --> 00:41:03,094
When it is finally called in that

900
00:41:03,134 --> 00:41:05,154
Cal Wildcat is down.

901
00:41:05,574 --> 00:41:08,366
but this episode is really about

902
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:10,634
her and how she.

903
00:41:12,054 --> 00:41:14,664
What her role is in paradise.

904
00:41:15,244 --> 00:41:18,100
and arguably it sets her up to be the

905
00:41:18,172 --> 00:41:21,012
antagonist of, like,

906
00:41:21,068 --> 00:41:23,664
we don't really know, but it does it

907
00:41:23,984 --> 00:41:26,968
in this way where, yeah, something's

908
00:41:27,016 --> 00:41:28,564
off I can understand.

909
00:41:29,344 --> 00:41:31,604
But we also,

910
00:41:32,544 --> 00:41:35,234
we also watch, her lose her

911
00:41:35,274 --> 00:41:35,894
son.

912
00:41:36,234 --> 00:41:37,074
>> Will: Yeah.

913
00:41:37,234 --> 00:41:39,134
>> Sarah : And I laugh because

914
00:41:39,674 --> 00:41:42,630
it's, The flashbacks are. Are

915
00:41:42,702 --> 00:41:45,430
all tied to her and her,

916
00:41:45,502 --> 00:41:47,718
her grief about that. Very poignant.

917
00:41:47,766 --> 00:41:50,748
Poignantly. And then by the end

918
00:41:50,756 --> 00:41:53,596
of the episode, it's basically. The implication

919
00:41:53,660 --> 00:41:55,900
is she built paradise for her son.

920
00:41:56,012 --> 00:41:58,704
>> Will: Yeah. Oh, that's the. The. Whenever

921
00:41:59,044 --> 00:42:02,018
I saw all those, mechanical horses.

922
00:42:02,146 --> 00:42:04,994
Oh, yeah. I was just like. Oh, I just

923
00:42:05,034 --> 00:42:07,954
like chef's kiss. I mean, just

924
00:42:08,074 --> 00:42:11,042
pulling every. Pulling that together and, you know, from.

925
00:42:11,098 --> 00:42:14,072
>> Sarah : From how, you know, you can't hate her.

926
00:42:14,178 --> 00:42:14,796
>> Will: Yeah.

927
00:42:14,940 --> 00:42:17,868
>> Sarah : You, can't. No, no, you cannot. You cannot

928
00:42:17,916 --> 00:42:20,780
hate her for having gone. Go.

929
00:42:20,852 --> 00:42:23,708
Having to go through that and also

930
00:42:23,796 --> 00:42:26,668
figure it out. It's. It's very weird that interaction

931
00:42:26,716 --> 00:42:29,596
she had with her daughter, though, in present day, I was like, wow,

932
00:42:29,660 --> 00:42:31,464
you're still fucked up.

933
00:42:31,924 --> 00:42:33,260
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

934
00:42:33,452 --> 00:42:36,252
>> Sarah : But not. You're not who you were. But

935
00:42:36,388 --> 00:42:38,732
I. I just love the

936
00:42:38,788 --> 00:42:41,784
dialogue, the line of dialogue that

937
00:42:41,824 --> 00:42:44,564
stuck out to me, at least in the past,

938
00:42:45,664 --> 00:42:48,376
besides her interaction with Cal, but we'll get

939
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,378
there. was when she was

940
00:42:51,546 --> 00:42:53,254
sitting down with Dr.

941
00:42:56,794 --> 00:42:59,696
Yeah. and she says, time is making it

942
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:02,624
worse because it's taking me further away from

943
00:43:02,664 --> 00:43:05,654
when he was here. And I was like, you

944
00:43:05,694 --> 00:43:08,534
know, I am a very fortunate person. I have not

945
00:43:08,574 --> 00:43:10,982
dealt with a whole lot of grief, but,

946
00:43:11,118 --> 00:43:14,034
man, is that not

947
00:43:14,414 --> 00:43:17,142
what I can only imagine

948
00:43:17,318 --> 00:43:20,182
it is to feel like when you're going

949
00:43:20,238 --> 00:43:23,142
through that, like. And.

950
00:43:23,198 --> 00:43:26,118
And yet. And yet, oddly enough, I never heard

951
00:43:26,166 --> 00:43:28,902
somebody put it that way on screen.

952
00:43:29,078 --> 00:43:31,952
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, that's. I mean, I have to.

953
00:43:32,008 --> 00:43:34,944
Yeah. That I had to pause, like, you know, as I was

954
00:43:34,984 --> 00:43:37,504
watching that. I mean, I didn't pause the episode, but it was

955
00:43:37,544 --> 00:43:40,064
just. It. It touched me, you know,

956
00:43:40,104 --> 00:43:42,832
someone, you know. You know, one

957
00:43:42,888 --> 00:43:45,744
just. You know, as a parent, I just really.

958
00:43:45,864 --> 00:43:48,464
That my heart just, like, went

959
00:43:48,504 --> 00:43:51,376
out, like, to this character because

960
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,288
I could just. That's. That's the thing a parent never,

961
00:43:54,376 --> 00:43:57,334
ever wants to, like, ever have to experience.

962
00:43:57,794 --> 00:43:59,734
And. And

963
00:44:00,114 --> 00:44:03,094
so that,

964
00:44:03,714 --> 00:44:06,214
you know, hats off to Julian Nicholson for

965
00:44:06,914 --> 00:44:09,786
that. That was so real. As far as. I don't know

966
00:44:09,810 --> 00:44:12,602
where whatever she tapped into to convey that

967
00:44:12,658 --> 00:44:15,514
scene, but it was just. It was just real

968
00:44:15,554 --> 00:44:16,734
and so honest.

969
00:44:17,314 --> 00:44:20,186
>> Sarah : Yeah. And it also. It

970
00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:23,194
was said. And then it led to almost a

971
00:44:23,234 --> 00:44:26,224
breakdown of where it's like, I. I

972
00:44:26,264 --> 00:44:28,800
don't want to heal. I just need to be functional.

973
00:44:28,912 --> 00:44:29,440
>> Will: Yeah.

974
00:44:29,552 --> 00:44:32,524
>> Sarah : And you have that. And it. Which is such a

975
00:44:33,304 --> 00:44:36,202
different. I know it's

976
00:44:36,218 --> 00:44:39,194
not contradictory, but it's the opposite of what

977
00:44:39,234 --> 00:44:41,914
you see her as in present day, because in

978
00:44:41,954 --> 00:44:44,554
present day, she is very functional.

979
00:44:44,714 --> 00:44:46,090
Too functional.

980
00:44:46,282 --> 00:44:48,134
>> Will: Too functional. Yeah, but also.

981
00:44:48,994 --> 00:44:51,994
Yeah. Yeah, very functional. But also. But

982
00:44:52,034 --> 00:44:54,906
also when we see, you know, with the. Whenever she and her

983
00:44:54,930 --> 00:44:57,626
husband meet, as she's like on the

984
00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:59,002
rise as well.

985
00:44:59,058 --> 00:44:59,694
>> Sarah : Yeah.

986
00:45:00,314 --> 00:45:03,234
>> Will: it just like, you know, they did again, the

987
00:45:03,274 --> 00:45:06,162
great use of the flashbacks and. And

988
00:45:06,218 --> 00:45:09,170
you know, how they met and, you know, when she talks about how she's

989
00:45:09,202 --> 00:45:11,054
so broken, you know, her.

990
00:45:12,714 --> 00:45:15,698
My marriage is broken. My. You know, I just want to be

991
00:45:15,706 --> 00:45:18,434
able to. Like you said, be able to function. And, you

992
00:45:18,474 --> 00:45:21,298
know, so. And so part of me too. I was just like, wondering,

993
00:45:21,346 --> 00:45:24,162
like, with the one scene you brought. You brought up about her daughter, I'm

994
00:45:24,178 --> 00:45:26,624
like, now, is the daughter still with us?

995
00:45:26,924 --> 00:45:28,264
Or did the daughter.

996
00:45:28,604 --> 00:45:31,476
>> Sarah : Yeah, they. They edited that so well

997
00:45:31,580 --> 00:45:34,436
when he's at the end when it's her and

998
00:45:34,460 --> 00:45:37,092
Xavier and she says, oh, I had two

999
00:45:37,148 --> 00:45:38,276
children. Cut.

1000
00:45:38,460 --> 00:45:39,060
>> Will: Yeah.

1001
00:45:39,172 --> 00:45:42,052
>> Sarah : Added to a flashback. And I'm like. So I

1002
00:45:42,108 --> 00:45:45,060
Going into that flashlight, like, oh, great, we're gonna get another

1003
00:45:45,132 --> 00:45:48,132
child dead. But.

1004
00:45:48,188 --> 00:45:51,182
But no, no, they. They made sure

1005
00:45:51,238 --> 00:45:54,094
to do that and only to trick us because no,

1006
00:45:54,134 --> 00:45:56,798
the. The daughter's alive. It looked

1007
00:45:56,846 --> 00:45:59,710
like her and her husband are

1008
00:45:59,782 --> 00:46:02,670
somewhat still in. Like, there's

1009
00:46:02,702 --> 00:46:05,234
something. But she is definitely

1010
00:46:06,854 --> 00:46:09,034
still. She's not.

1011
00:46:09,494 --> 00:46:12,154
She's not all there. There is something off

1012
00:46:12,454 --> 00:46:15,022
now. I don't know what that has to do with

1013
00:46:15,078 --> 00:46:17,912
Cal, but I

1014
00:46:17,968 --> 00:46:20,696
do. I did find. I

1015
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:23,304
did like how. As we

1016
00:46:23,344 --> 00:46:26,312
continue to talk about the interplay between

1017
00:46:26,448 --> 00:46:28,936
the past and the present in this show.

1018
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,816
But I was thinking the whole episode

1019
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,840
now, why. Why is this episode called Sinatra? And then it's

1020
00:46:34,872 --> 00:46:37,544
like, okay, okay, Samantha Redmond

1021
00:46:37,624 --> 00:46:40,600
is. Is Sinatra. And so

1022
00:46:40,752 --> 00:46:42,824
I like how she. She tells

1023
00:46:42,904 --> 00:46:45,736
Xavier, do you know why my

1024
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,584
detail calls me m. Sinatra? And he's like, I

1025
00:46:48,624 --> 00:46:50,152
thought it was because the hats.

1026
00:46:50,328 --> 00:46:51,048
>> Will: Yep.

1027
00:46:51,176 --> 00:46:53,992
>> Sarah : And then. And I feel like that may be in the middle of

1028
00:46:54,048 --> 00:46:56,824
episode because I felt like it was scenes.

1029
00:46:56,984 --> 00:46:59,480
And then we get. We get in the past

1030
00:46:59,552 --> 00:47:02,248
again and her sitting in on this very

1031
00:47:02,336 --> 00:47:04,888
weird conference about the end of the world.

1032
00:47:05,056 --> 00:47:08,008
And Cal randomly is there too. And then

1033
00:47:08,016 --> 00:47:10,854
they meet and he takes. He's the one who

1034
00:47:10,894 --> 00:47:13,878
tells her about how his dad refers

1035
00:47:13,926 --> 00:47:15,590
to her as Sinatra.

1036
00:47:15,702 --> 00:47:16,214
>> Will: Yep.

1037
00:47:16,294 --> 00:47:18,598
>> Sarah : I can't wait to meet Cal's dad.

1038
00:47:18,726 --> 00:47:21,544
>> Will: Yeah. yeah, we did get a glimpse. I think we did get a brief glimpse of.

1039
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,488
We did father and you know, and his ex wife

1040
00:47:24,552 --> 00:47:26,664
and, you know, obviously the son. Yeah.

1041
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,656
>> Sarah : But it'll be. It's more. I.

1042
00:47:29,696 --> 00:47:32,488
I like how they're kind of putting that character in the

1043
00:47:32,512 --> 00:47:35,512
background because not only are we starting

1044
00:47:35,544 --> 00:47:38,488
to get bits about Cal's relationship with

1045
00:47:38,512 --> 00:47:41,144
him, but now there's this connection. It

1046
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,120
seemed like Sam. Samantha knew

1047
00:47:44,168 --> 00:47:46,472
Cal through his father.

1048
00:47:46,664 --> 00:47:49,336
Like, so How. How did they

1049
00:47:49,376 --> 00:47:52,104
meet and then. And also, what did she

1050
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,984
do to make her, like, give

1051
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,704
off this instance that everyone looks to her

1052
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,414
like she has this power, and

1053
00:48:00,470 --> 00:48:02,386
almost arguably stability

1054
00:48:03,196 --> 00:48:05,838
in her to lead. which is something

1055
00:48:05,942 --> 00:48:08,942
that. That his dad tells Cal

1056
00:48:09,014 --> 00:48:11,860
that he lacks. but. But

1057
00:48:11,948 --> 00:48:14,836
Samantha, it's funny because it's only taking

1058
00:48:14,876 --> 00:48:17,796
me two episodes. Like, Samantha doesn't have the

1059
00:48:17,836 --> 00:48:20,708
charm that Cald has. Right. And

1060
00:48:20,732 --> 00:48:23,684
which he says it's like, enough people just like

1061
00:48:23,740 --> 00:48:24,196
me.

1062
00:48:24,316 --> 00:48:26,084
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean.

1063
00:48:26,220 --> 00:48:26,426
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1064
00:48:26,426 --> 00:48:29,412
>> Will: Ah, you're right. I mean, you know, he definitely, you know, he's

1065
00:48:29,444 --> 00:48:32,302
not. James Norstead is like, playing this character.

1066
00:48:32,334 --> 00:48:35,278
Like you said, it's not. It's a. It's a

1067
00:48:35,302 --> 00:48:37,186
modulation of like, multiple

1068
00:48:37,846 --> 00:48:40,638
personalities as far as, like, past presidents. I mean, he's got the

1069
00:48:40,662 --> 00:48:43,470
charm of Bill Clinton. You know, he, you

1070
00:48:43,478 --> 00:48:46,382
know, as far as the policy pieces, you know, nobody. He's like,

1071
00:48:46,454 --> 00:48:49,358
I'm a senator at that point. Whenever they first. Whenever we do

1072
00:48:49,382 --> 00:48:51,406
get that flashback at that point, he's still a senator.

1073
00:48:51,486 --> 00:48:52,110
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1074
00:48:52,238 --> 00:48:54,868
>> Will: So, so, you know, so

1075
00:48:55,052 --> 00:48:57,856
as I was watching that scene, I was like, so, you know,

1076
00:48:58,606 --> 00:49:01,542
was she, you know, as far as his becoming a presidential

1077
00:49:01,574 --> 00:49:04,454
candidate, I mean, was she like, you know, was she a

1078
00:49:04,510 --> 00:49:07,478
chief of staff or something in the White House or, you know, some. Some kind

1079
00:49:07,502 --> 00:49:10,352
of role? but, you know, but, you know, but

1080
00:49:10,424 --> 00:49:12,396
this just seems to be the moment where,

1081
00:49:13,906 --> 00:49:16,858
you know, like, you know, she, you know, she. She hears that speech and

1082
00:49:16,882 --> 00:49:19,514
of course she does, you know, eventually chase after the. The

1083
00:49:19,570 --> 00:49:22,176
crazy guy talking about the ant, the ice

1084
00:49:22,306 --> 00:49:23,896
caps melting and stuff.

1085
00:49:25,036 --> 00:49:27,924
>> Sarah : She chased. She. She just asked him a question about

1086
00:49:27,980 --> 00:49:30,612
what to do. To happen.

1087
00:49:30,764 --> 00:49:32,036
>> Will: Yeah. What happened?

1088
00:49:32,116 --> 00:49:34,932
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. What. What to do. And then that gives

1089
00:49:34,964 --> 00:49:36,196
her the idea.

1090
00:49:36,356 --> 00:49:36,820
>> Will: Yeah.

1091
00:49:36,868 --> 00:49:39,780
>> Sarah : To go more importantly,

1092
00:49:39,828 --> 00:49:42,564
he. He brought Cal, brought up Dylan, and

1093
00:49:42,620 --> 00:49:45,588
that's what she really needed to hear. But. But yeah,

1094
00:49:45,732 --> 00:49:46,468
finish.

1095
00:49:46,612 --> 00:49:49,588
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. No, I'm glad you brought that. That's where I was going to go. He did

1096
00:49:49,612 --> 00:49:52,570
bring up Dylan and get to your point about a charm. And it was just like,

1097
00:49:52,708 --> 00:49:55,566
you know, I think it just really resonated with

1098
00:49:55,606 --> 00:49:58,046
her. And that's where I was just like. Oh, I could see where they

1099
00:49:58,086 --> 00:50:01,054
become very, you know, they become confidants

1100
00:50:01,150 --> 00:50:03,596
with one another. Especially, you know,

1101
00:50:04,376 --> 00:50:07,152
as she learned, you know, whatever

1102
00:50:07,184 --> 00:50:10,144
she gets the idea to, to like,

1103
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,280
build a place that, you know, that as we see at the

1104
00:50:13,288 --> 00:50:16,170
beginning of the episode with, the flashback, you know, it's the size

1105
00:50:16,202 --> 00:50:19,056
of Toledo and, and. And we

1106
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,840
get the, you know, we do you know, I like the way they,

1107
00:50:21,912 --> 00:50:24,896
they showed how the pro. After we get that big reveal, we get

1108
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,872
sort of a backstory as far as, like, you know, how

1109
00:50:27,928 --> 00:50:29,884
this project came. It came into being.

1110
00:50:30,834 --> 00:50:31,894
as far as.

1111
00:50:33,474 --> 00:50:36,314
>> Sarah : It's just, I'm just, I'm just saying somewhat

1112
00:50:36,394 --> 00:50:39,114
like they're, they're telling us, giving us

1113
00:50:39,154 --> 00:50:42,154
enough information to be satisfied, while at the same

1114
00:50:42,194 --> 00:50:44,986
time still there's a lot of things that

1115
00:50:45,010 --> 00:50:47,722
are cloudy and we're not. We're

1116
00:50:47,738 --> 00:50:50,426
not. This, this is not a straightforward

1117
00:50:50,490 --> 00:50:53,146
narrative, and it's not being told that way.

1118
00:50:53,330 --> 00:50:55,984
So, so we're getting pieces, right?

1119
00:50:56,344 --> 00:50:59,344
and I think they want us to color in, but at

1120
00:50:59,384 --> 00:51:01,968
this rate, I'm like, nope, I'm not coloring in yet.

1121
00:51:02,056 --> 00:51:05,056
Because I, I, I think if

1122
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,984
you, if I were to color that red, I would find out three

1123
00:51:08,024 --> 00:51:10,710
episodes later I should have colored it blue. Okay, so

1124
00:51:10,782 --> 00:51:13,622
I'm, I'm like, I'm like, okay, I see what you're doing. I'm

1125
00:51:13,638 --> 00:51:16,406
gonna wait. I'm gonna hold my cards if you're gonna play them like

1126
00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:16,950
this.

1127
00:51:17,102 --> 00:51:20,016
>> Will: Yeah, true, true. Yeah. I mean, yeah, you're right. I mean, I,

1128
00:51:20,056 --> 00:51:22,864
I tried not. As I was watching it, I was like, let me. Don't get too,

1129
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,920
too far far, like, you know, like, as a,

1130
00:51:25,876 --> 00:51:28,794
too far ahead here, because like I said, I was already like,

1131
00:51:28,930 --> 00:51:31,126
oh, Kyle. And,

1132
00:51:32,146 --> 00:51:34,762
and, and Sinatra's

1133
00:51:34,794 --> 00:51:37,402
relationship here, Sam's relationship. I'm like, you know,

1134
00:51:37,554 --> 00:51:40,252
I was already having them, like, be

1135
00:51:40,404 --> 00:51:43,404
working together to do. You know, clearly, I think they did, but it's

1136
00:51:43,420 --> 00:51:46,236
just like, you know, I was trying to figure out how, you know, the how

1137
00:51:46,276 --> 00:51:49,136
of it all. And I think I'm just getting, getting

1138
00:51:49,176 --> 00:51:52,048
ahead of myself and just instead of, let's let the story play out, like

1139
00:51:52,072 --> 00:51:53,968
it, like, as it's going to.

1140
00:51:54,152 --> 00:51:57,136
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. For a moment I thought you were going to say,

1141
00:51:57,176 --> 00:52:00,080
like, how they. I started to do fan

1142
00:52:00,128 --> 00:52:01,276
fiction about them.

1143
00:52:03,016 --> 00:52:05,456
I don't know if you should be doing about those two, because

1144
00:52:05,496 --> 00:52:08,472
apparently, like, it's very clear to us that Robinson

1145
00:52:08,504 --> 00:52:09,800
is sleeping with Cal. Right.

1146
00:52:09,888 --> 00:52:12,872
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, that, that, yeah, that was very clear.

1147
00:52:12,944 --> 00:52:15,886
And, yeah, we, yeah, there was, you know, from

1148
00:52:15,926 --> 00:52:18,926
the very end of the episode one when, you know,

1149
00:52:18,966 --> 00:52:21,668
as, as, Xavier's, like, sizzling up the, the

1150
00:52:21,692 --> 00:52:24,576
scene, and, and the, earrings

1151
00:52:24,656 --> 00:52:27,208
there in the room. and then. Yeah, yeah.

1152
00:52:27,272 --> 00:52:30,178
So. But again, they, I love how they're just

1153
00:52:30,202 --> 00:52:32,594
building this mystery. I mean, it's just like this show has so many,

1154
00:52:32,650 --> 00:52:35,602
like, you could say it's this dystopian sci

1155
00:52:35,634 --> 00:52:38,546
fi thing. It could be a. Just a straightforward, like I said,

1156
00:52:38,586 --> 00:52:41,378
a mystery procedural. I mean it has so many genres that

1157
00:52:41,402 --> 00:52:44,098
it's like blending here. It's just, it's just so, so

1158
00:52:44,122 --> 00:52:44,686
great.

1159
00:52:45,466 --> 00:52:48,324
>> Sarah : Yeah. Hopefully they don't go sci fi. I know.

1160
00:52:48,380 --> 00:52:51,348
I don't want them to go sci fi because I

1161
00:52:51,372 --> 00:52:54,354
will check out. I will check out

1162
00:52:54,500 --> 00:52:57,286
because it just reminds me of the

1163
00:52:57,326 --> 00:52:59,222
three people person problem.

1164
00:52:59,374 --> 00:53:00,186
>> Will: Yeah.

1165
00:53:00,916 --> 00:53:03,756
>> Sarah : Because I will admit my, my, my love

1166
00:53:03,796 --> 00:53:05,916
of that show dropped when I found out it was about

1167
00:53:05,956 --> 00:53:06,816
aliens.

1168
00:53:07,156 --> 00:53:10,060
>> Will: I don't think we're going. I don't think we're going Aliens. I think it's maybe

1169
00:53:10,108 --> 00:53:12,940
more like Last of Us or Fallout

1170
00:53:12,988 --> 00:53:15,532
or you know that Dystopian. Yeah. Ah, yeah.

1171
00:53:15,644 --> 00:53:18,124
>> Sarah : Fallout. Fallout. I do.

1172
00:53:18,260 --> 00:53:21,138
I. Is where my theory is. and

1173
00:53:21,162 --> 00:53:23,646
it's only because during,

1174
00:53:24,026 --> 00:53:26,962
in the first episode, during the scene between

1175
00:53:27,034 --> 00:53:29,650
Cal and Xavier the night of Cal's

1176
00:53:29,698 --> 00:53:32,530
death, he, he tells

1177
00:53:32,578 --> 00:53:35,490
him, like here he asks him, when are you going to

1178
00:53:35,498 --> 00:53:36,286
forgive me?

1179
00:53:37,596 --> 00:53:40,468
>> Sarah : And then Xavier says, I'll forgive you when you're dead.

1180
00:53:40,612 --> 00:53:43,216
And. But, but.

1181
00:53:43,676 --> 00:53:46,532
So it's hard to say

1182
00:53:46,604 --> 00:53:49,524
if it's a natural disaster, why that would be

1183
00:53:49,580 --> 00:53:50,876
Cal's fault. Fault.

1184
00:53:51,696 --> 00:53:54,632
>> Will: Unless he knows something that's part of the deep. The deep

1185
00:53:54,664 --> 00:53:55,960
secrets, you know?

1186
00:53:56,128 --> 00:53:59,000
>> Sarah : Well, the deep secrets. But it's

1187
00:53:59,048 --> 00:54:01,832
also like. Okay,

1188
00:54:01,944 --> 00:54:04,408
I, I just, I just. I. I'll have to

1189
00:54:04,432 --> 00:54:07,368
understand. I. They have to

1190
00:54:07,472 --> 00:54:10,024
make sure to back

1191
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,744
up how it's actually Kyle's fault.

1192
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,688
Like Cal, like I said, like we said

1193
00:54:15,712 --> 00:54:18,668
before, like he was just. How, how long

1194
00:54:18,772 --> 00:54:20,684
between that scene between him and

1195
00:54:20,740 --> 00:54:23,388
Samantha when he was just a

1196
00:54:23,412 --> 00:54:24,108
senator.

1197
00:54:24,252 --> 00:54:24,956
>> Will: Yeah.

1198
00:54:25,116 --> 00:54:27,916
>> Sarah : And becoming president. Like we don't know

1199
00:54:27,956 --> 00:54:30,700
that official timeline. So,

1200
00:54:30,868 --> 00:54:33,516
so yeah. If it's a part of the deep secret, did he

1201
00:54:33,556 --> 00:54:36,332
inherit that secret? But anyway, we,

1202
00:54:36,404 --> 00:54:39,212
we could go. That's all speculation. That's neither

1203
00:54:39,244 --> 00:54:40,856
here nor there about this.

1204
00:54:42,096 --> 00:54:43,288
>> Will: getting back to the episode.

1205
00:54:43,352 --> 00:54:45,944
>> Sarah : I think if there's anything else I want to talk

1206
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,828
about in the second episode. I'm not. As

1207
00:54:48,992 --> 00:54:51,962
the second episode, as I was on the first.

1208
00:54:52,034 --> 00:54:54,724
Just because the first, it's. It was really hard

1209
00:54:54,780 --> 00:54:55,380
to.

1210
00:54:55,548 --> 00:54:58,500
>> Will: Yeah. I think the other. Yeah, well, I think the

1211
00:54:58,508 --> 00:55:01,188
other big thing. I think the second episode. Let's add a couple more

1212
00:55:01,212 --> 00:55:04,074
thoughts and then we can wrap it up. But whatever. The

1213
00:55:04,130 --> 00:55:07,002
entire Xavier's interrogation is going on

1214
00:55:07,074 --> 00:55:09,464
and of course, you know, we talked about

1215
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,486
Samantha and Dr.

1216
00:55:12,436 --> 00:55:14,722
Robbie. Yeah, Robbie.

1217
00:55:15,302 --> 00:55:18,224
Robbie's. relationship. But also we

1218
00:55:18,248 --> 00:55:21,216
also Learned that Robbie, you know, was very instrumental

1219
00:55:21,264 --> 00:55:24,192
helping. You know, she did have the one session with. With Kyle,

1220
00:55:24,272 --> 00:55:26,806
with. Excuse me, with, Xavier after.

1221
00:55:27,106 --> 00:55:30,058
And, you know, and. And so when the interrogation is

1222
00:55:30,082 --> 00:55:33,082
happening and, you know, Xavier's

1223
00:55:33,114 --> 00:55:35,786
passing the lie detector test and everything, and then she, you know,

1224
00:55:35,826 --> 00:55:38,810
and clearly, things are going south of

1225
00:55:38,818 --> 00:55:41,706
Robinson. So she's like, well, let me stop this so we can go in here.

1226
00:55:41,746 --> 00:55:44,426
Let me get. You know, and. And. And then

1227
00:55:44,466 --> 00:55:47,322
she flashes his hands, like, answer

1228
00:55:47,354 --> 00:55:50,170
yes whenever the question comes up about whether or not he,

1229
00:55:50,258 --> 00:55:53,114
you know, he wanted him dead. I thought that was a very,

1230
00:55:53,170 --> 00:55:56,106
you know, again, it. It was very,

1231
00:55:56,226 --> 00:55:59,050
you know, clearly the way that things were recorded sort of

1232
00:55:59,058 --> 00:56:01,546
presented with this show was like, you know, it made it seem

1233
00:56:01,586 --> 00:56:04,580
like. And it still is. You know, Xavier's the

1234
00:56:04,588 --> 00:56:07,562
primary suspect, but, But I like,

1235
00:56:07,634 --> 00:56:10,378
you know, but her giving him the

1236
00:56:10,402 --> 00:56:12,922
assistant, and in that moment, him trusting

1237
00:56:12,954 --> 00:56:14,886
her, you know, again,

1238
00:56:15,976 --> 00:56:18,544
opens the door. You know, we'll get. I'm sure as the series

1239
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,472
progresses, we'll get more information as far as why even

1240
00:56:21,544 --> 00:56:24,316
after just one session, they have this. This bond here.

1241
00:56:24,616 --> 00:56:27,568
And then the other thing is, like, the, you know,

1242
00:56:27,672 --> 00:56:30,608
the. With the cigarette that we talked about back in

1243
00:56:30,632 --> 00:56:31,200
the.

1244
00:56:31,368 --> 00:56:34,236
>> Sarah : Wait, wait, wait. Can we. I just want to talk about

1245
00:56:34,536 --> 00:56:37,296
what you just said, because I just want to put my 2

1246
00:56:37,336 --> 00:56:40,080
cents in there on that scene. I don't

1247
00:56:40,128 --> 00:56:42,592
think that scene told me a lot

1248
00:56:42,664 --> 00:56:45,276
about her trying to

1249
00:56:46,136 --> 00:56:48,944
bond or save with Xavier, because it was only one

1250
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,760
session in the past. Yeah, it was more

1251
00:56:51,848 --> 00:56:54,704
about. I think it has shown me more about

1252
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,836
her dynamic with Samantha

1253
00:56:57,336 --> 00:57:00,192
because she knew the man

1254
00:57:00,264 --> 00:57:02,864
like he could have. Robinson could have

1255
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,680
kept asking. He, we, we,

1256
00:57:05,768 --> 00:57:08,672
we there. All the signs were there. He's trained

1257
00:57:08,784 --> 00:57:09,840
to pass this.

1258
00:57:10,008 --> 00:57:11,152
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1259
00:57:11,344 --> 00:57:14,016
>> Sarah : Like, he knows what to do. This

1260
00:57:14,056 --> 00:57:16,944
isn't gonna go anywhere and nobody's

1261
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,856
gonna believe it. So. So she figured out

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00:57:19,896 --> 00:57:22,448
the only way to end this would be for him to

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00:57:22,472 --> 00:57:24,816
tell arguably the. The

1264
00:57:24,856 --> 00:57:27,436
truth and answer this question.

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00:57:28,216 --> 00:57:30,992
So then. And that's why you have that scene later where

1266
00:57:31,064 --> 00:57:33,808
she says, well, if. If

1267
00:57:33,832 --> 00:57:36,576
he's such a good liar, why would

1268
00:57:36,616 --> 00:57:39,424
he admit that he despised

1269
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,496
Cow? Like, why wouldn't he just lie about

1270
00:57:42,536 --> 00:57:44,876
that as well? So she.

1271
00:57:45,656 --> 00:57:48,368
She knew he needed to know,

1272
00:57:48,472 --> 00:57:51,224
like, how to respond to that,

1273
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,636
because he would have. He would have said no.

1274
00:57:54,016 --> 00:57:56,856
Which. And Sam, Samantha wouldn't have been convinced.

1275
00:57:56,936 --> 00:57:59,096
And I still don't think she fully is.

1276
00:57:59,216 --> 00:57:59,896
>> Will: No, no.

1277
00:57:59,896 --> 00:58:02,414
>> Sarah : and not in the least, but it at least

1278
00:58:02,550 --> 00:58:05,282
ended that and kind of just put him, on the Bench.

1279
00:58:06,132 --> 00:58:08,312
but. But it's also like,

1280
00:58:09,012 --> 00:58:11,548
I don't know how much really, if

1281
00:58:11,620 --> 00:58:14,428
Samantha's to blame either. Like, we.

1282
00:58:14,500 --> 00:58:16,892
We don't know, who.

1283
00:58:17,352 --> 00:58:20,336
There isn't some. It isn't very obvious at

1284
00:58:20,344 --> 00:58:22,576
this point who is behind the murder.

1285
00:58:22,704 --> 00:58:25,440
>> Will: It's not. It's not at all.

1286
00:58:25,576 --> 00:58:28,294
No, it. Yeah, it's not at all. But, but

1287
00:58:28,318 --> 00:58:31,160
also, Yeah,

1288
00:58:31,176 --> 00:58:34,168
but, you know, but I think to your point about it showing Samantha's

1289
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,080
relationship and also just overall with this whole. This whole

1290
00:58:37,096 --> 00:58:40,056
episode, especially seeing how she. Even though Kyle

1291
00:58:40,104 --> 00:58:42,374
was the president of this, of this. Of

1292
00:58:42,398 --> 00:58:45,194
paradise, you know,

1293
00:58:45,218 --> 00:58:48,106
she was clearly some of the. You know, she was the.

1294
00:58:48,194 --> 00:58:51,194
The engine that was sort of driving this thing. Especially when you see

1295
00:58:51,218 --> 00:58:53,898
her interactions with the. With the rest of the.

1296
00:58:54,050 --> 00:58:57,034
The right. Board of directors or whatever you

1297
00:58:57,058 --> 00:58:59,142
want to call them, who. Who were the

1298
00:59:00,162 --> 00:59:01,692
leaders, of the. Of the

1299
00:59:02,872 --> 00:59:04,592
council or whatever, you know, for.

1300
00:59:04,632 --> 00:59:05,212
>> Sarah : For.

1301
00:59:06,472 --> 00:59:08,184
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah.

1302
00:59:08,288 --> 00:59:10,184
>> Sarah : And you brought up the cigarettes.

1303
00:59:10,328 --> 00:59:12,824
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. Just how. Just to bookend that from our

1304
00:59:12,848 --> 00:59:15,412
conversation from about episode one,

1305
00:59:15,902 --> 00:59:18,696
with the, With what? Whenever they have the town hall

1306
00:59:18,744 --> 00:59:21,512
and. And Kyle's son, you know, Xavier's,

1307
00:59:21,766 --> 00:59:24,722
daughter, go to the aircraft hangar and

1308
00:59:25,262 --> 00:59:28,214
whenever, you know, and they juxtapose the

1309
00:59:28,238 --> 00:59:29,682
scenes of. Of

1310
00:59:30,702 --> 00:59:33,558
Xavier, you know, lighting a cigarette and flashing

1311
00:59:33,590 --> 00:59:36,512
a number. And then they also they show the, the.

1312
00:59:36,552 --> 00:59:38,752
The flight. The plane registry number.

1313
00:59:38,872 --> 00:59:39,536
>> Sarah : Yep.

1314
00:59:39,664 --> 00:59:42,582
>> Will: And, also like. Ah, okay. And. And I think.

1315
00:59:42,622 --> 00:59:45,414
Was it. Was it. And I know you corrected me

1316
00:59:45,438 --> 00:59:48,374
earlier about this. Was the episode where we did get a

1317
00:59:48,398 --> 00:59:50,882
flash of the.

1318
00:59:52,782 --> 00:59:55,332
I took it as Kyle's wife. Not. Not Kyle,

1319
00:59:55,282 --> 00:59:56,226
Xavier's wife.

1320
00:59:56,322 --> 00:59:57,618
>> Sarah : Yeah, you're right. You're right.

1321
00:59:57,658 --> 01:00:00,180
>> Will: Yeah. and, you know, so, you

1322
01:00:00,204 --> 01:00:03,184
know, and tied everything

1323
01:00:03,256 --> 01:00:06,240
together. You know, was she on that plane? You know, was this. Was

1324
01:00:06,264 --> 01:00:08,986
this. Was this a, You know, was this a playing code? Was this, you

1325
01:00:08,994 --> 01:00:11,462
know, was she, like, going to another

1326
01:00:13,282 --> 01:00:16,186
paradise or, you know, another bunker or somewhere? I

1327
01:00:16,194 --> 01:00:18,810
mean, because there's. It seems like there.

1328
01:00:18,866 --> 01:00:21,834
There may be some of those things out. Other. Other cities

1329
01:00:21,898 --> 01:00:24,522
maybe out under. Underground cities out there.

1330
01:00:24,642 --> 01:00:27,604
>> Sarah : Yeah, well, it's just like. Okay,

1331
01:00:27,668 --> 01:00:29,512
so in this episode, we learn.

1332
01:00:30,492 --> 01:00:33,108
We. We learn it's a. It's a

1333
01:00:33,260 --> 01:00:35,396
city that seemingly holds

1334
01:00:35,444 --> 01:00:38,228
25,000 people. We don't

1335
01:00:38,260 --> 01:00:41,204
know how many, like, if there are

1336
01:00:41,228 --> 01:00:44,020
other cities built or anything. We just know about

1337
01:00:44,076 --> 01:00:46,980
Paradise. Considering there's going to be a second

1338
01:00:47,036 --> 01:00:49,032
season, I kind of am suspicious.

1339
01:00:49,772 --> 01:00:52,352
I'm also like. I'm also like,

1340
01:00:52,662 --> 01:00:55,076
man, they just let

1341
01:00:55,164 --> 01:00:57,876
Xavier and his kids Go to paradise

1342
01:00:57,924 --> 01:01:00,676
and Billy. Like, like

1343
01:01:00,764 --> 01:01:03,332
what? For 25. I don't know.

1344
01:01:03,372 --> 01:01:06,164
There's. It's very weird. So I get what

1345
01:01:06,188 --> 01:01:07,872
you're saying about that.

1346
01:01:09,052 --> 01:01:11,812
and, and I, and I agree, it, it

1347
01:01:11,852 --> 01:01:14,724
has something to do with an airplane or

1348
01:01:14,748 --> 01:01:17,716
else they wouldn't have held on that shot of the registry

1349
01:01:17,764 --> 01:01:18,656
for so long.

1350
01:01:18,764 --> 01:01:19,192
>> Will: Yeah.

1351
01:01:19,272 --> 01:01:22,172
>> Sarah : But, but it, yeah. And,

1352
01:01:22,292 --> 01:01:25,196
and the wife mystery until

1353
01:01:25,284 --> 01:01:26,472
we see a body.

1354
01:01:26,852 --> 01:01:27,712
>> Will: Yep.

1355
01:01:31,252 --> 01:01:33,996
>> Sarah : I'm not gonna lie. Pardon me. Spent the first episode

1356
01:01:34,044 --> 01:01:36,872
being like, I wonder if Xavier's wife killed him.

1357
01:01:40,452 --> 01:01:41,592
I don't know.

1358
01:01:43,892 --> 01:01:46,668
It'll be, it'll be very interesting. I mean, we've

1359
01:01:46,700 --> 01:01:49,474
gone through two episodes, have yet to fully

1360
01:01:49,538 --> 01:01:52,194
see, see Flesh and blood.

1361
01:01:52,338 --> 01:01:54,866
Who. Xavier's wife is like

1362
01:01:54,954 --> 01:01:57,682
that there. The

1363
01:01:57,722 --> 01:02:00,622
significance is there. And we got, we got

1364
01:02:01,082 --> 01:02:03,810
six, ah, more episodes. We're gonna talk about

1365
01:02:03,866 --> 01:02:06,722
episodes three and four next week and then we're gonna go

1366
01:02:06,762 --> 01:02:09,602
on to a week by week basis with this

1367
01:02:09,642 --> 01:02:12,586
show. we probably

1368
01:02:12,634 --> 01:02:15,530
missed a ton. I still, I,

1369
01:02:15,586 --> 01:02:17,754
I'm looking forward to the whole

1370
01:02:17,818 --> 01:02:20,784
Xavier and Billy bromance

1371
01:02:20,928 --> 01:02:23,664
starting and how that's going to be different

1372
01:02:23,768 --> 01:02:26,510
from the Cal and Xavier

1373
01:02:26,606 --> 01:02:29,230
bromance because the Cal and Xavier one,

1374
01:02:29,286 --> 01:02:32,258
man, that's like, fighting

1375
01:02:32,290 --> 01:02:33,842
with your ex wife or something.

1376
01:02:33,962 --> 01:02:34,662
>> Will: Yeah.

1377
01:02:36,762 --> 01:02:39,704
>> Sarah : Because even at the end after talking to the

1378
01:02:39,728 --> 01:02:42,600
first lady about. And basically about how much

1379
01:02:42,656 --> 01:02:45,332
of a racist Cal is, I.

1380
01:02:45,792 --> 01:02:48,312
He still stands there and is with Billy and is

1381
01:02:48,352 --> 01:02:51,252
like, she's standing there

1382
01:02:51,552 --> 01:02:53,880
and she's. He's referring to Samantha

1383
01:02:53,896 --> 01:02:56,760
Redmond. And. And I'm watching her and I'm

1384
01:02:56,776 --> 01:02:59,448
listening to her and our man is

1385
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,408
gone. Like it was such a bro moment.

1386
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,418
>> Will: It was, it was total. Yeah. He's like, I'm

1387
01:03:05,450 --> 01:03:08,410
a tick. And it's like I'm a, you know, I'm a

1388
01:03:08,546 --> 01:03:09,242
take her down.

1389
01:03:09,282 --> 01:03:11,290
>> Sarah : And he was, yeah, I'm gonna take her down.

1390
01:03:11,426 --> 01:03:14,234
>> Will: Yeah. And carefully. Yeah. How you gonna do that,

1391
01:03:14,258 --> 01:03:17,114
Will Polk? How are you gonna do that, boss? Carefully. I was just like,

1392
01:03:17,218 --> 01:03:20,154
oh, yeah. Oh yeah. And I think Vogue Women did

1393
01:03:20,178 --> 01:03:22,960
say that this, series. I think he has a three season plan

1394
01:03:23,016 --> 01:03:24,492
for the show. So.

1395
01:03:24,792 --> 01:03:27,712
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, he

1396
01:03:27,752 --> 01:03:30,640
can't go. All right, well, on that note, Will, why don't

1397
01:03:30,656 --> 01:03:32,808
you tell our listeners where they can find you?

1398
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,766
>> Will: Yes, you can find me at, willmpolk

1399
01:03:35,814 --> 01:03:38,504
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