Paradise on Hulu Episodes 3 & 4: Are We Still Hooked?

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>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is Scene N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with

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me, as always, is our Mr. Producer, Will Polk How are you doing tonight,

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Will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How are you doing this evening?

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>> Sarah : Doing M. Good. I'm doing good. It is

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February.

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>> Will: Yes, it is.

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>> Sarah : It is my birthday month. It is Black

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History Month, and it

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is Valentine's, Day next

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weekend.

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>> Will: Yes, it is. Yeah, it's a packed month.

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>> Sarah : It is, but it isn't.

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>> Will: Well, after the year that we. This, you know, after the

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year of.

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>> Sarah : January, yeah, that's usually what happens.

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January is a marathon. And then you get February,

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which feels like a breathe. Breather. And

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then you get March, which feels like another

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marathon. However, with

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March is this weird place. It's in a weird place in

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the calendar where, like, you're through the

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holiday season. Like, the seasons

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are changing, but it's not quite April.

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So it's just. It's just. Yeah,

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yeah, but. But we're. We're. We got one month down,

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Will. One month down. 11 more to go.

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>> Will: Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Actually, happy February. This is the first

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episode for February. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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>> Sarah : We, we celebrated, the end of the month

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last time. Yes, we did.

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>> Will: Yes, we did. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : M. Speaking about Black History Month,

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though. M. So tell me about this

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Black History Month weekly Spotlight.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. So, you know,

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it. Given that it is Black History Month and just, you

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know, and just all the. This world and the. In the

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universe right now and then and just

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wanted to, like, highlight some things

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each week. As far as this week, for

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example, I was just going to highlight some of the things that are coming in

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2025 done that either has a black director

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or actor or black lead. and it's

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really just celebrate black excellence in film because there's just

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so much that's out there. And just wanted to use

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this as an opportunity to, you know, talk about,

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for example, as we were right before we recorded, we do have Captain

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America 4 coming up, next week.

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And so, of course, you know, really

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excited for this opportunity to see

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Antony Mackie, you know, lead a film. I mean, of course he's done, you know,

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you know, Hurt Locker and. And. And of course been

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in MCU now for forever. But, you know,

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really passing on the mantle of Captain America with this

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character. We also have, Opus,

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which, IO at a very. Who. of course, everybody knows from the

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bear.

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>> Sarah : Yep.

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>> Will: Yeah. So she is, she is in. In

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that film. it's, you know, it's a, you know,

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Mix of fantasy site, horror. It's

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also has a black director, Mark Antony Green, which is just

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actually his only. His second credit. I was looking at his

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IMDb. he did a short before. but

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it's about a young writer who goes to a remote home of a

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legendary pop star who disappeared 30 years prior.

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And, Yeah. And. And she.

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Apparently this character is coming back. So. So

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that's. That's a film that comes, out March

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14th. for fans of I.O.

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from. From the Bear. we also.

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>> Sarah : Sorry, who's playing Opus in that?

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>> Will: I, think it's. She is playing the league. She's

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the young writer who goes.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, but who's playing the famous person?

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>> Will: I'm not. I can't recall right off top of my head to go back and

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look at the.

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>> Sarah : I'll look it up while you talk about the next thing because,

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visually see who it is. And I cannot place

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the name for some reason. And it. It's not. Is it John

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Malkovich?

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>> Will: It is. It is. That's who it is.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Lately. And nobody judged

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me. Nobody judged me. They're both older white men.

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Okay. But lately I've been getting Ben

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Kingsley and John Malkovich confused.

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>> Will: Well, they've had long filmographies and. Yeah.

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But,

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I've been getting a little confused.

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And we will talk about John Malkovich in a

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little bit for something else. But anyway.

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>> Will: Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah. Then we

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have Ash, which is a film that's gonna

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be. It's a. Actually gonna be on the streamer

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shutter. but it's a horror film. And,

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it's stars,

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Daniel. let's see. Ash, is directed by

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a black director, has a white cast, but it's a flying lotus

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who's done a lot of work in composing and

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so, this is directorial debut. So these are all

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films that's coming up in 2025, March,

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21st. we also have Woman in the Yard starring

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Danielle Didweiler. who is. That's a

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film that is, another black horror film. So I'm

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doing sci fi horror, you know, sci

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fi adjacent horror

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films. That's coming out March 28th.

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but, you know, of course, she's known for the Heart of the Fall,

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as well as several other films as well.

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Sinners is another film that we talked, about on our.

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On my list of things I'm looking forward to in 2025.

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But that's with, of course, directed by Ryan Coogler and of course,

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Michael P. Jordan. That's coming out April

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18th. also,

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and then to close it as close out. As far

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as projects m. From black

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film makers, producers, directors.

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Jordan Peele's returning this year with the film that

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he's producing, called him. And

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it's a. It's a mix of sports and

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horror movies where you have a young quarterback

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who takes up tutoring from

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a. A ah.

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In a compound with. That has a

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grizzled veteran quarterback as. As his

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mentor. And that's the horror film that's coming out

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produced by Jordan Peele on September 19th.

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So those are the projects. Projects that I was just

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wanted to just focus on, you know, where,

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you know, in 2025 that you know, keeping it. Keep. They'll

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keep an eye on either, you know, going to the theater or all

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streaming. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Who's. Who's directing the. Jordan Peele

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>> Will: Oh. as far as the director, it's

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let's see. I know Marlon Williams is starring in

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it. Justin

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Tipping, who

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directed Episode of the Chi

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and also a film called the

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Kicks.

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>> Sarah : Okay. Yeah, that's good. It must

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be. It must be hard. I wonder. I

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wonder if like somebody who's a

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successful director and

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then when they do their produce, when they're just the

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producer role and especially if someone

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how much producing is mentoring

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that director. Yeah, yeah,

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very. It's very curious.

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but, yeah, well, that is.

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Thank you for doing that. and I know that we're only

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getting started because it's literally the first week of the

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month. So there will be more space spotlights

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to come in upcoming weeks. But to circle back

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around to old white men for

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just a minor minute because

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why John Malkovich was also like, as soon as

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you said opus, I'm like, I keep seeing that trailer

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and I see his face. And then I also saw his

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face smack dab dressed up as

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Gandalf in the Fantastic Four trailer.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : Which. And. And I. I'm just gonna

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give some insight during to our

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lovely pre show conversation

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where Will likes to sneak

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in right before he hits record. It's. It's kind of

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like, Sarah, I'm not gonna start recording

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until you confirm this one thing because he knows me.

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He knows I like to hold my cards to my

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vest and I like to keep him on his toes so I

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won't tell him stuff.

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He's like, did you or did you not

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watch the trailer?

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And. And I know if I say no, he's

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gonna be like, nope, we're not recording. You go watch.

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He's done that before.

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>> Will: I have.

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>> Sarah : it's been very awkward, but we've

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done it. So, So, yeah, I

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watched the trailer and,

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I enjoyed it because it's a true

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teaser. True.

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Sweet Breeze Easy

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trailer. I still have no idea really

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what the overall story

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arc will be, but they

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do a lot of little clips

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now. Two things, though,

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that I am going to be the troll

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about is,

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Ben Grimm was not working

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for me. Was not working for me.

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The animation in a lot of

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the scenes, for some reason it just stuck

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out too much. And I

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kept thinking about it today. I was like,

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it's weird because I've seen

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three movies with a talking squirrel

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and never questioned the

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animation. But for some reason,

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when the thing moves his eyebrows, I'm like,

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that's weird. And I also think

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there might be something. And again, this is

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early. This can all be fixed in post. I have no

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idea if this is actually what we're going to see

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on screen or if there's going to be some

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tweaks added as time,

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gets closer to release date.

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But I almost feel like,

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because I. I've seen the bear season

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two probably 20

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times.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : the voice of that actor.

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Yes. You know his name. And I also know his name is really

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hard to say, but cousin, you know who you are.

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I. It just. It throws

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me.

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>> Will: Yeah, it did. I. I was there

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with you. I was like. I was thinking cousin the whole time, even

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when I. Cause I. I did. I watched the trailer. you know,

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I did. I called some of the, the teas

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lead up to it, which I did a very. They did. You know,

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Transformers 1 did this too, where they had the

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whole pre show before the actual

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trailer dropped. and so I did watch a little bit of

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it. But then once I did watch the trailer, at the

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first and when. When, the thing

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was there with Herbie the

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Robot and because, you know, with the sauce, I was. I

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was just like, yeah, it took me out of it for. It did take me out. It

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did. Because I did think. I was thinking cousin.

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>> Sarah : yeah, yeah, it's. It's. It's

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hard. And. And probably because it's also

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just his voice.

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>> Will: His voice is so distinct. Eben Baccarat, I think is.

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>> Sarah : Yep, you said it. I'm

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still on the fence on if I can say it. And

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the other thing, because

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I watched it and then I watched a few people.

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Few reactions to it. and so the more

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I saw it, the more I was like,

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yeah, Johnny isn't working either.

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I love that actor, I really do.

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What I mean by is not working because this has

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nothing to do with performances at all. I'm just talking

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visuals because that's really all we got for the most

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just the blonde hair and blonde

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eyebrows and the

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kid, he looks

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very like they're trying to make

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him younger and he, he looks more

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boyish and it's just, I'm just

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doesn't line up.

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>> Will: It's, it's hard for think for

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especially, I mean, and once we see the film itself,

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maybe all of these things that we're equivalent about will,

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you know, we will disappear. Yes,

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but, but, but, but whenever

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they, the characters that they play. Because Joseph Quinn played a

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very, you know, and think, like you said in Stranger Things is a very

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pivotal character. And of course, and same

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with Ben Graham's actor. Very pivotal, you know,

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and so, yeah, I mean it's hard, it does take you out of

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it. and I agree, I think both, in both, in both

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instances it did take me out of

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the trailer a little bit whenever I saw them

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because I was so, you know, just identify with the other

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characters that it portrayed.

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>> Sarah : And it's, you know, the irony, the

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irony is that

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like the third person,

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the lead of this cast is Pedro

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Pascal. We've seen him in

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so many things and I'm, it's just like at

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this point, yeah, that's Pedro,

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he gets a pass. But, but they also didn't do

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anything to really make him look

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different. No, no,

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no. So, so I think that's why

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again, a lot of what we're nitpicking about is

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mainly the visuals. It's nothing to do with

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performances or anything. It's just

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like what we're seeing and what we're hearing in these

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brief clips. Like, I don't know if that's

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gonna, gonna work out. The,

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the overall package that they're selling

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looks good and look thought

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through.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. To that point. Yeah. I mean I think

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for me that I just, I just love the crispness of it and

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the, I got the retro, I mean the

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retro future, retro futuristic vibe that

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they were giving off with the 60s

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alternate. Yeah, it, it nailed it. I

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mean I was visually. It just color gradient, everything

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about it. I was like, oh, I, yeah,

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I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm. You got

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me. I'm really Looking forward to this film now just

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see that aesthetic.

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>> Sarah : Well, same person who did Loki.

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>> Will: Yeah, true.

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>> Sarah : That's true. Photography and set design and all that, from

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what I understand. So I was fully on board

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for that. The other thing, and this is my last

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point, and it's funny because when

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we say this is an authentic teaser, we mean it. This

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is really what teaser should be.

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watch this. And the Superman

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first trailer, like, teaser. There's a

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difference. And I'm

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not saying, like, comparably they both do their

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job, but Superman gave a little bit more away,

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and I don't know if that was necessary. That's all I'm saying.

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But so my last point that I

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think is so interesting, and I wonder how

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long it lasts, and I wonder why.

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But we saw,

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everyone but

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Pedro use his powers.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : And. And I think that that's

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just that, I mean,

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yeah, we didn't see a lot of characters

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or were teased a lot of characters that we're expecting to

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see in this movie. But that

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aside, like, they can hold back on characters,

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I think it's more interesting. You're

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holding back on your

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leads superpower.

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And I just. I wonder how.

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Why that is, because I think they.

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>> Will: Feature his other superpower, which is his mind.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, there you go. There you go.

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Very. And they're leading with that. Which.

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Which is smart because he doesn't have the

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best superpower in the world. Beta's

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man, it's pretty

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stupid. For the smartest

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man, like, in the world, it's

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pretty super. Super.

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>> Will: Yeah. But, yeah,

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that's. That's the thing they let in. They were leaning into that. And

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I think that was the perk that, that. Yeah,

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I. I think that was the right move. Everything about,

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like I said earlier, while we

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were in our pre. Conversation about being a true

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teaser, it really, like you said at the outset, it's truly

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a true teaser. And it. And it. I'm

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excited for.

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Of the three Marvel films coming out this year, I mean, this is the one

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I'm most excited for.

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>> Sarah : Oh, absolutely. I think you and majority of

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the people.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. And I'm not even a big. I mean, I was. I'm not even

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a big Fantastic Four comic fan. I

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mean, so. But. But just as

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it's, just again for this

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franchise. Yeah. Okay. I'm like, okay, this is the

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one.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, it.

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Fingers crossed. Fingers crossed. Yeah. We got

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ways to go. But it.

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I don't know, it just was

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a good glimpse and a lot

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of the stuff that

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we were told, it felt like it was a

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fulfillment of a promise.

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now I know it won't be fully fulfilled until we see the

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full movie and especially how that

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freaking third act will go.

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Honestly, a lot of these, in this

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genre of film, it all hinges on how

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well do you execute your third act, pretty

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much.

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>> Will: And hopefully they, you know, now that we're deep into

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the. Into the mcu, hopefully they have like, tweaked the third act

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as we, as we move forward. So we'll see.

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>> Sarah : Well, and also, this movie is

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doing a lot. It's got a lot of ground

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to make up for, especially as we launch into

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whatever this phase or

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this next slate of films for the

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MCU is. But. All right, well, we will

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put a pin in that because we will return

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in a few weeks to talk more about the MCU

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with Captain America 4.

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so until then, we're going to continue our discussion

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about paradise on Hulu. I

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hope everybody is watching it, just like we

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are, because this is a spoiler filled

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discussion and we don't hold back. And

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so if you want us to ruin the

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episode, then by all means. I mean, I do that for

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myself, but I do encourage you to watch it

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too. so

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the first episode, episode three,

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the architect of social well being,

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Xavier seeks answers on his own and

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cautiously turns to Dr.

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Torabi. Meanwhile, Billy and Jane

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feel the pressure from Robinson.

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so I'm just gonna put this out here. I

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did not like this episode.

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This episode,

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rubbed me the wrong way

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and the way they ended it.

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and then I

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knew last week when I was talking specifically about the

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pilot episode, I'm like, oh,

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the bar is too high,

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too high. The writing was too good.

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I don't, I don't, I don't

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know. I'm not off the train. I'm

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still on the train. But

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this episode, I

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started to,

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It just. I started to,

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How do I put it? I was putting

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together the pieces almost

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ahead of time.

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And when I, like when

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I start doing that with this type of show, I'm

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just like, oh, no, no, no. This is

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not where I want to be. I want to be. I want to

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be one step behind. I can't be a step in

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front. so

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that. And. And a few other things.

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But, what are your overall thoughts about this

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episode?

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>> Will: Yeah, of the four episodes that we have watched,

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I will agree with you that this one was,

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for me the weakest of the four.

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and for

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me, it was

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more. The more interesting parts of this episode. For me.

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Were the flashbacks than present day?

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>> Will: Because to the very thing that you just shared, which

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is. Oh wait, I see where this is going. You know, I see

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at the end of this episode that Xavier and Dr.

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Turabi are going to hook up.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: You know, so, so, so the things that were happening in

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present day, really, you know,

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it. Yeah, it was like, okay, it's kind of telling you

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predictable as far as that piece.

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But the flashbacks I thought were, were

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strong, you know, for. And we'll, you know, we'll get into, you know,

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deeper into that, as we discuss it. But that's,

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that's just sort of my overall thoughts, quick overall thoughts of the

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episode.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. And we, we can start with the flashbacks

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because I honestly will just say I

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felt like the flashbacks were just as predictable as the

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present day stuff because I knew, like

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you knew from the get go that

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he wasn't speaking to his father. You didn't know

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why, but as soon as it's brought up Parkinson's

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and his reaction, you're like, oh, you sold him

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out. Yeah, this

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isn't a big mystery. And it's just.

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I don't know why. I, I, I was

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waiting the whole time for it to be

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like, okay, this is what I think is going to happen.

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They, they need to turn left. Like, where's

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the left turn? Where's what? I wasn't expecting.

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and that didn't happen. And so

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I just, I mean, I felt like the

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moments were sweet and it was

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a, you understood more.

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They helped. They did do a good job.

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similar to the first two episodes of.

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More importantly than the whole,

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like, why. Why was it. Why was he

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on bad terms with his father and what happened on his

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father's last flight. It was more

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about contextualizing why

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Dr. Tharabi told him in that

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earlier to say yes to that

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question and during the interrogation.

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Like, that was the whole purpose

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of those flashbacks. And so I

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wasn't. I don't think they were a throwaway by any

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means or anything. That's not what I'm saying.

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But I did think they were a bit too, it

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was a bit too simple and straightforward

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storytelling for me.

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>> Will: Yeah, it definitely, yeah. This episode, to me really just

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sort of, sort of. If you look at it like a

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coloring book, it was like filling it, you know, color in the

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lines and contextualizing the

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picture of like you said,

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why she told him. Yes.

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How, you know, and basically answering the question, how did

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all these, you know, what's so special about the 25, 000 people

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who got selected here because you know, the first couple, as

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they were setting things up, you know, we learned, we know there's a

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catastrophe. We know that

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you know, 25, 000 can make it in here. But

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then it really got into the why. You know the why whenever

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she, you know, she, you know, basically

511
00:23:37,825 --> 00:23:40,425
Sinatra, ah, had this plan

512
00:23:40,545 --> 00:23:43,369
and she found, you know, whenever

513
00:23:43,417 --> 00:23:45,205
she used Gabriella to

514
00:23:46,275 --> 00:23:49,227
you know, originally she was her, you know, her therapist but also she

515
00:23:49,251 --> 00:23:52,235
was going to be the architect for, for this and, and,

516
00:23:52,275 --> 00:23:54,939
and, and you know, really we see everybody

517
00:23:54,987 --> 00:23:56,455
has. As a role.

518
00:23:58,265 --> 00:24:01,041
yeah, and we, yeah and we see

519
00:24:01,113 --> 00:24:03,559
like the initial, you know, whenever

520
00:24:03,607 --> 00:24:06,087
Hal Xavier basically became the head of the

521
00:24:06,111 --> 00:24:09,085
detail, which you know, again just sort of deepens the,

522
00:24:09,385 --> 00:24:10,925
deepens the

523
00:24:12,025 --> 00:24:14,865
context and the relationship as far as, like

524
00:24:14,985 --> 00:24:17,645
here's, here's why he became the head of the detail

525
00:24:18,185 --> 00:24:20,993
and, and, and really expl. You know, we see

526
00:24:21,049 --> 00:24:23,665
like, I guess we get some glimpses as far as

527
00:24:23,705 --> 00:24:26,607
how Cal, Bradford, you

528
00:24:26,631 --> 00:24:29,209
know, sort of makes, it makes his decision making

529
00:24:29,297 --> 00:24:32,059
and you know, how he, how he is as a president. you

530
00:24:32,067 --> 00:24:34,683
know, and that charm that we also saw in the second

531
00:24:34,739 --> 00:24:37,701
episode, was you know, when he was talking to Samantha

532
00:24:37,733 --> 00:24:40,597
as well. So you know, so, you know, it just sort of fleshes out

533
00:24:40,701 --> 00:24:42,185
more about these characters.

534
00:24:42,605 --> 00:24:44,821
>> Sarah : Well, yeah, I think that

535
00:24:44,973 --> 00:24:47,781
the, so to move back to present

536
00:24:47,853 --> 00:24:50,757
day the social

537
00:24:50,861 --> 00:24:53,829
architect thing and understanding Dr.

538
00:24:53,877 --> 00:24:56,559
Tharabi more, was interesting especially

539
00:24:56,647 --> 00:24:59,407
because we saw the extended scene

540
00:24:59,551 --> 00:25:01,195
that we had seen earlier,

541
00:25:02,475 --> 00:25:04,467
of Cal first meeting

542
00:25:04,571 --> 00:25:07,539
Xavier. And it was in the pilot

543
00:25:07,587 --> 00:25:10,467
episode, it was always presented, even up

544
00:25:10,491 --> 00:25:13,123
until the end during their last encounter of

545
00:25:13,179 --> 00:25:16,003
like why. Why did

546
00:25:16,059 --> 00:25:18,611
you choose me? Like, I still don't

547
00:25:18,643 --> 00:25:21,555
understand. But it turns out it wasn't

548
00:25:21,635 --> 00:25:24,555
Cal who picked, it was Thorabi.

549
00:25:24,635 --> 00:25:26,695
And I think more.

550
00:25:27,235 --> 00:25:29,723
There's more emphasis though not on the fact that

551
00:25:29,779 --> 00:25:30,375
Cal

552
00:25:32,355 --> 00:25:34,335
didn't pick Xavier,

553
00:25:34,675 --> 00:25:36,895
but Doc.

554
00:25:37,555 --> 00:25:38,325
Samantha.

555
00:25:40,205 --> 00:25:42,955
Samantha. Why am m I blinking?

556
00:25:43,375 --> 00:25:45,415
Sinatra. But what's her real name?

557
00:25:45,535 --> 00:25:46,343
>> Will: Yeah, Samantha.

558
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,871
>> Sarah : Yeah, Samantha. Yeah, Samantha didn't

559
00:25:48,903 --> 00:25:51,695
pick him either. Like

560
00:25:51,995 --> 00:25:54,915
so. So I wonder.

561
00:25:54,995 --> 00:25:57,715
And I looked, watched that scene very

562
00:25:57,755 --> 00:26:00,515
closely on her reaction and it

563
00:26:00,555 --> 00:26:03,555
almost appeared like I got

564
00:26:03,595 --> 00:26:06,531
the impression that maybe because

565
00:26:06,603 --> 00:26:09,475
she had put Gabriella in charge, it

566
00:26:09,515 --> 00:26:12,467
wasn't like she's not the type of person to put somebody in

567
00:26:12,491 --> 00:26:14,775
charge and not like micromanage.

568
00:26:15,275 --> 00:26:18,235
So I'm sure she vetted a lot of that

569
00:26:18,275 --> 00:26:21,083
list and we learn more about people. She even

570
00:26:21,139 --> 00:26:23,851
added so. But ah, from her

571
00:26:23,923 --> 00:26:26,827
reaction to Gabriella coming in

572
00:26:26,851 --> 00:26:29,835
There with that file, it looked like this was someone

573
00:26:29,955 --> 00:26:31,915
that Samantha had not vetted.

574
00:26:32,075 --> 00:26:32,699
>> Will: Yeah.

575
00:26:32,827 --> 00:26:35,815
>> Sarah : And maybe that's. That leads more into

576
00:26:36,195 --> 00:26:39,181
the kind of, I don't

577
00:26:39,213 --> 00:26:41,967
know, I don't know how to

578
00:26:41,991 --> 00:26:44,719
describe it. It's not quite

579
00:26:44,847 --> 00:26:47,523
antagonistic, but the

580
00:26:47,659 --> 00:26:50,563
uncertainty that exists between Samantha

581
00:26:50,579 --> 00:26:51,667
and Xavier.

582
00:26:51,811 --> 00:26:52,595
>> Will: Totally.

583
00:26:52,595 --> 00:26:54,129
>> Sarah : for a few different reasons.

584
00:26:54,257 --> 00:26:55,045
>> Will: Yeah.

585
00:26:55,045 --> 00:26:57,907
>> Sarah : But. Yeah, so, so okay. Why did

586
00:26:57,931 --> 00:27:00,771
they have to hook up? I don't. I don't

587
00:27:00,803 --> 00:27:03,715
understand. I. Usually

588
00:27:03,795 --> 00:27:06,543
I'm all for my fan fiction. we even

589
00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:08,943
saw Sterling K. Brown, like, total

590
00:27:08,999 --> 00:27:11,795
backside. But I, I.

591
00:27:11,835 --> 00:27:14,835
For some reason, I felt very uncomfortable and I

592
00:27:14,875 --> 00:27:17,715
was like, like, like, this is weird. And

593
00:27:17,755 --> 00:27:20,643
this is way too fast for me to get on board with

594
00:27:20,699 --> 00:27:23,235
this. I don't. This is it.

595
00:27:23,355 --> 00:27:24,015
What?

596
00:27:24,635 --> 00:27:27,379
>> Will: Yeah. So I was wondering what the angle was too, because.

597
00:27:27,467 --> 00:27:30,295
Especially given how broken

598
00:27:30,635 --> 00:27:32,535
Xavier is about his wife.

599
00:27:33,195 --> 00:27:34,295
>> Sarah : Yeah.

600
00:27:34,955 --> 00:27:37,415
>> Will: That's why I just. That's why I just didn't,

601
00:27:38,085 --> 00:27:40,929
And maybe it was just sort of the manipulation. This is

602
00:27:40,937 --> 00:27:43,905
showing just how. Well, you know, to. What's with the

603
00:27:43,945 --> 00:27:46,687
larger, murder plot

604
00:27:46,831 --> 00:27:49,275
that's going on here as far as to who done it.

605
00:27:50,575 --> 00:27:53,447
so I was like. I was like. So I was like, are they going that route

606
00:27:53,511 --> 00:27:55,991
with. Well, no, I was just. I was thinking

607
00:27:56,023 --> 00:27:58,855
of. Are they going that route with it?

608
00:27:58,895 --> 00:28:01,543
Because it's showing how. How the Robbie

609
00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:04,537
could manipulate Xavier. Because I

610
00:28:04,561 --> 00:28:06,685
wasn't. You know, because I just didn't

611
00:28:07,505 --> 00:28:10,393
buy. You know, this man is just

612
00:28:10,449 --> 00:28:13,337
like. You know, he's. He's so like, broken

613
00:28:13,401 --> 00:28:16,217
from. In some ways, as far

614
00:28:16,241 --> 00:28:19,225
as, you know, he's angry because of

615
00:28:19,265 --> 00:28:22,005
what happened in his wife being left out in the.

616
00:28:22,865 --> 00:28:25,085
In the. Not being able to get to the mountain

617
00:28:25,585 --> 00:28:28,217
and everything. And so I, I just. I

618
00:28:28,241 --> 00:28:30,565
just. It just seemed very.

619
00:28:32,085 --> 00:28:34,717
I mean. Yeah, I just. It just didn't sit right well with me

620
00:28:34,741 --> 00:28:35,277
either.

621
00:28:35,421 --> 00:28:38,285
>> Sarah : Yeah. It just. So. So my

622
00:28:38,325 --> 00:28:41,277
whole thing is. Because

623
00:28:41,381 --> 00:28:44,157
this happens throughout the. Both of

624
00:28:44,181 --> 00:28:46,993
these two episodes. it's. It's very

625
00:28:47,049 --> 00:28:49,365
clear how much he was in love with his wife.

626
00:28:49,865 --> 00:28:52,593
Still is. And even three years later.

627
00:28:52,729 --> 00:28:53,265
>> Will: Yeah.

628
00:28:53,345 --> 00:28:56,245
>> Sarah : And, all I. All

629
00:28:56,285 --> 00:28:59,077
I. My. My theory is. And this is part of the

630
00:28:59,101 --> 00:29:01,865
reason why I'm just not on board with that

631
00:29:01,965 --> 00:29:04,929
whole. This whole thing is they're

632
00:29:04,977 --> 00:29:07,921
setting it up so the wife is still alive, and then there's

633
00:29:07,953 --> 00:29:10,625
going to be a conflict because he's kind of

634
00:29:10,665 --> 00:29:13,409
moved on. That's. That's the thing.

635
00:29:13,577 --> 00:29:15,805
And I'm just like, that

636
00:29:15,925 --> 00:29:18,765
it's. You can't do that in the

637
00:29:18,805 --> 00:29:21,805
first season because

638
00:29:21,925 --> 00:29:24,717
if they do that. That pisses me

639
00:29:24,741 --> 00:29:27,505
off because as a viewer

640
00:29:28,255 --> 00:29:30,935
for the. For. For that kind, which. It

641
00:29:30,975 --> 00:29:33,575
can. It can work. I've seen very few

642
00:29:33,615 --> 00:29:35,155
shows pull that off.

643
00:29:36,355 --> 00:29:38,763
but you actually have

644
00:29:38,819 --> 00:29:41,175
to have spent time

645
00:29:41,795 --> 00:29:44,795
with these two people circling

646
00:29:44,875 --> 00:29:47,643
each other and then to come together

647
00:29:47,699 --> 00:29:49,963
and then get that reveal.

648
00:29:50,139 --> 00:29:52,971
Like, you can't do that in the third

649
00:29:53,043 --> 00:29:55,899
episode when it's like, well, one minute

650
00:29:55,947 --> 00:29:58,795
you're just saying, oh, I met him one time, and the next

651
00:29:58,835 --> 00:30:01,723
thing you're. You're humping him while

652
00:30:01,779 --> 00:30:04,747
you're whispering in his ear, I have a message from the president.

653
00:30:04,851 --> 00:30:07,627
Which also. What kind of pillow talk is

654
00:30:07,651 --> 00:30:10,091
that? Like. And they just

655
00:30:10,163 --> 00:30:12,455
continued after that. Like,

656
00:30:13,795 --> 00:30:14,571
yeah, it's.

657
00:30:14,603 --> 00:30:17,349
>> Will: It's like. It's, you know, it's. You, know, it's like the

658
00:30:17,373 --> 00:30:20,325
COVID world. Everybody's broken. I mean, I guess after three years

659
00:30:20,381 --> 00:30:22,177
being in the mountain and

660
00:30:23,797 --> 00:30:26,637
thinking that everything. Everything

661
00:30:26,757 --> 00:30:29,613
that you knew before, you know, society's

662
00:30:29,645 --> 00:30:32,621
rules are now just broken. And. And, you know,

663
00:30:32,629 --> 00:30:35,629
we just. We just got to make it however we go. But, you

664
00:30:35,653 --> 00:30:38,317
know, but also to that, you know, as they were

665
00:30:38,357 --> 00:30:40,937
Make. As they were making out and

666
00:30:41,797 --> 00:30:44,701
with the whole, you know, checking for a wire and of

667
00:30:44,709 --> 00:30:47,485
course, the electronic devices and going in the shower. So,

668
00:30:47,621 --> 00:30:50,203
you know, you know, so I guess on the one.

669
00:30:50,395 --> 00:30:53,339
I guess. I guess that's why, like I

670
00:30:53,363 --> 00:30:56,203
said, maybe there was like, some kind of manipulation going on

671
00:30:56,275 --> 00:30:58,997
or, or misdirection.

672
00:30:58,997 --> 00:31:01,819
because just with

673
00:31:01,843 --> 00:31:04,763
all. With all the things we just discussed now, it just didn't.

674
00:31:04,875 --> 00:31:07,659
It just. Or maybe, you know, basically, you

675
00:31:07,683 --> 00:31:10,347
know, again, they're just

676
00:31:10,467 --> 00:31:13,307
freaking horny. And it is. That's the more they

677
00:31:13,347 --> 00:31:16,267
spent time together. And the cat, you know, and the dance they were

678
00:31:16,307 --> 00:31:19,227
doing throughout the episode, as far as, you know, her trying

679
00:31:19,267 --> 00:31:21,477
to learn more about him.

680
00:31:23,617 --> 00:31:26,441
>> Sarah : She. She views him as her

681
00:31:26,529 --> 00:31:29,081
ticket out from under Samantha.

682
00:31:29,209 --> 00:31:30,217
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

683
00:31:30,377 --> 00:31:32,953
>> Sarah : So. So maybe I, I.

684
00:31:33,105 --> 00:31:36,009
From that angle, I can see a little manipulation.

685
00:31:36,153 --> 00:31:39,023
But at the same time, she, wanted

686
00:31:39,055 --> 00:31:41,439
him more than he wanted her. So, like,

687
00:31:41,543 --> 00:31:44,303
I. Which I don't blame her, but

688
00:31:44,455 --> 00:31:47,047
she. She, like, came on very strong.

689
00:31:47,207 --> 00:31:48,067
>> Will: She did.

690
00:31:48,767 --> 00:31:51,623
>> Sarah : And. And that's another thing. I'm supposed to

691
00:31:51,695 --> 00:31:54,599
want the female to, like, get her a man. And

692
00:31:54,623 --> 00:31:56,867
I was like, I don't know how to feel.

693
00:31:59,327 --> 00:32:02,097
This seems weird. It's just, I can't.

694
00:32:02,517 --> 00:32:05,341
I. And again, it goes

695
00:32:05,389 --> 00:32:08,157
back to my theory of where this is headed,

696
00:32:08,237 --> 00:32:10,717
especially after the next episode.

697
00:32:10,877 --> 00:32:13,309
But. And the editing. I didn't like the

698
00:32:13,333 --> 00:32:16,197
editing in the end because it

699
00:32:16,237 --> 00:32:19,157
was very clear to me, despite the

700
00:32:19,197 --> 00:32:22,149
Whispering. But the cut to Billy

701
00:32:22,213 --> 00:32:23,541
in the car with the gun.

702
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:24,165
>> Will: Yeah.

703
00:32:24,261 --> 00:32:27,237
>> Sarah : Like, I just. I knew. I was like,

704
00:32:27,277 --> 00:32:29,617
well, duh. He.

705
00:32:30,317 --> 00:32:33,221
There's a crazy person on the run

706
00:32:33,309 --> 00:32:35,417
in this, like, mountain

707
00:32:36,957 --> 00:32:39,699
and Xavier still alive and

708
00:32:39,813 --> 00:32:42,679
for a reason. And, yeah, if. If I

709
00:32:42,703 --> 00:32:45,591
was Uncle Billy, I would have done the same thing. So

710
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:47,827
I just. Yeah, I.

711
00:32:48,847 --> 00:32:49,087
Yeah.

712
00:32:49,087 --> 00:32:51,663
>> Will: third episode. Yeah, you know, third episode. Like I said, it was

713
00:32:51,687 --> 00:32:54,463
the. You know, I get where they were coming with the drama,

714
00:32:54,607 --> 00:32:57,471
and you're right. I mean, the issue, you know, with. With his dad

715
00:32:57,551 --> 00:33:00,383
and the dad storyline, I.

716
00:33:00,487 --> 00:33:03,151
I mean, I like the moments. I mean, it was very touching.

717
00:33:03,311 --> 00:33:06,283
It's something that, you know, all kids have

718
00:33:06,307 --> 00:33:09,227
to. You know, if you're fortunate enough that your parents get old enough,

719
00:33:09,379 --> 00:33:12,139
you know, we all have to hit that. Hit that place

720
00:33:12,195 --> 00:33:15,003
where you're going to have to, you know, do

721
00:33:15,107 --> 00:33:17,771
something like what Xavier did, which was, you know,

722
00:33:17,811 --> 00:33:20,773
to get him, you

723
00:33:20,797 --> 00:33:23,589
know, get his license revoked, whether it's his pilot's license or

724
00:33:23,645 --> 00:33:26,453
driver's license or whatever. But. But again, I

725
00:33:26,477 --> 00:33:27,601
just. I. It.

726
00:33:29,981 --> 00:33:32,923
I don't. I don't know what it.

727
00:33:32,947 --> 00:33:35,883
I'm trying to. And maybe we'll get some context as

728
00:33:35,907 --> 00:33:38,875
far as what it adds to the overall story. I mean, I guess it gave us some

729
00:33:38,883 --> 00:33:41,351
greater depth as far as, you know.

730
00:33:41,891 --> 00:33:44,027
>> Sarah : What did. The flashbacks?

731
00:33:44,139 --> 00:33:45,339
>> Will: Yeah, the flashbacks.

732
00:33:45,435 --> 00:33:48,363
>> Sarah : Oh, the flashbacks were more about Dr.

733
00:33:48,427 --> 00:33:50,555
Thurabi's reasoning for having

734
00:33:50,643 --> 00:33:51,711
Xavier.

735
00:33:53,091 --> 00:33:55,931
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So maybe. I guess maybe what was.

736
00:33:55,971 --> 00:33:57,871
Yeah, so maybe why. It felt

737
00:33:58,310 --> 00:34:01,304
like, Unfulfilling. Yeah,

738
00:34:01,432 --> 00:34:04,264
it just felt kind of like filler, just to, like, pad out the

739
00:34:04,272 --> 00:34:05,128
episode.

740
00:34:05,304 --> 00:34:08,216
>> Sarah : Yeah, it. It's

741
00:34:08,248 --> 00:34:11,160
hard. I. I can't. Like, we're so early in the

742
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,512
season, and I know it's a short season,

743
00:34:13,616 --> 00:34:16,296
too, so it just.

744
00:34:16,448 --> 00:34:19,176
I. I don't think. I think what I'm

745
00:34:19,208 --> 00:34:22,120
starting to notice is some

746
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,823
patterns where I'm also

747
00:34:25,007 --> 00:34:27,927
reading ahead, and I'm just like, well, if they

748
00:34:27,999 --> 00:34:30,871
do that, then that means this, and if they go that

749
00:34:30,911 --> 00:34:32,931
direction, I don't know if I'm gonna. Like,

750
00:34:34,351 --> 00:34:36,131
you just. It's just.

751
00:34:37,471 --> 00:34:39,383
>> Will: I mean. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I like.

752
00:34:39,487 --> 00:34:42,343
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, this is a

753
00:34:42,367 --> 00:34:45,191
good time to jump into the fourth episode because, like, these

754
00:34:45,231 --> 00:34:47,971
two episodes do contextualize one another

755
00:34:48,271 --> 00:34:51,191
because. And there is an

756
00:34:51,231 --> 00:34:54,119
aspect of the third episode that we didn't talk about, but

757
00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:56,611
bleeds right into the fourth episode because

758
00:34:56,991 --> 00:34:59,735
Billy and, Drizzle.

759
00:34:59,863 --> 00:35:01,571
Jane, Drew call.

760
00:35:02,551 --> 00:35:05,503
like, we learned. And it's pretty obvious that they're the

761
00:35:05,527 --> 00:35:08,335
ones who. Who cut the cameras

762
00:35:08,463 --> 00:35:11,151
and We. We learn about we

763
00:35:11,271 --> 00:35:12,463
Tennis night.

764
00:35:12,647 --> 00:35:15,375
>> Will: Yeah. Air quotes. We Tennis

765
00:35:15,423 --> 00:35:16,543
night. Yeah, it was.

766
00:35:16,567 --> 00:35:16,847
>> Sarah : We.

767
00:35:16,919 --> 00:35:18,863
>> Will: Yeah, it was a lot of weed happening that night, for sure.

768
00:35:18,887 --> 00:35:21,771
>> Sarah : A lot of drunkenness, a lot of,

769
00:35:22,121 --> 00:35:24,895
using cow's toys, while he's

770
00:35:24,943 --> 00:35:27,749
asleep. does that make them dangerous?

771
00:35:27,845 --> 00:35:30,361
No. No. Something else makes them dangerous.

772
00:35:30,311 --> 00:35:33,019
but the funny thing is when that was

773
00:35:33,075 --> 00:35:35,803
playing out during the third episode, I was like, what the

774
00:35:35,827 --> 00:35:38,555
heck? That's so weird. And then

775
00:35:38,643 --> 00:35:41,403
the fourth episode happens and we learn

776
00:35:41,467 --> 00:35:43,217
all about Billy Pace.

777
00:35:43,379 --> 00:35:44,201
>> Will: Yeah.

778
00:35:44,821 --> 00:35:47,633
>> Sarah : during the carnival. and we

779
00:35:47,657 --> 00:35:50,497
even learned about a little bit about Jane. But.

780
00:35:50,649 --> 00:35:53,217
And it, and it makes all the sense in the world

781
00:35:53,369 --> 00:35:56,001
for why. And the

782
00:35:56,041 --> 00:35:58,861
writing of Billy from the get go

783
00:35:59,241 --> 00:36:01,009
has been on point for me.

784
00:36:01,065 --> 00:36:01,889
>> Will: Yes, same.

785
00:36:01,945 --> 00:36:04,581
>> Sarah : And so this is another grievance.

786
00:36:05,001 --> 00:36:07,681
Why do they keep killing the characters? I

787
00:36:07,721 --> 00:36:10,673
like? Okay, they need to stop doing this. I

788
00:36:10,697 --> 00:36:13,531
mean, I knew going in Cal was only

789
00:36:13,571 --> 00:36:15,915
going to be featured in the flashbacks,

790
00:36:16,043 --> 00:36:18,763
but now you've taken Uncle Billy

791
00:36:18,827 --> 00:36:21,051
from me. Like, what the heck?

792
00:36:21,211 --> 00:36:24,043
>> Will: I was pissed. I was just like. I sat there, I was just

793
00:36:24,067 --> 00:36:26,979
like, it wasn't, I didn't have the last of us reaction that I

794
00:36:27,003 --> 00:36:29,327
had whenever we lost

795
00:36:30,027 --> 00:36:32,947
some characters. But I was, I was

796
00:36:32,987 --> 00:36:35,523
gutted. I. Because I really, you know, I

797
00:36:35,595 --> 00:36:38,483
really liked the work that John B. Rose

798
00:36:38,515 --> 00:36:40,177
is doing as agent Billy base.

799
00:36:40,177 --> 00:36:42,975
>> Sarah : and I was

800
00:36:43,031 --> 00:36:45,967
mad as soon as he told him, yeah, I need one

801
00:36:46,007 --> 00:36:48,895
more night to be able to. And then I'm gonna go. And I'm

802
00:36:48,911 --> 00:36:51,387
like, dude, yeah. Why?

803
00:36:52,167 --> 00:36:54,671
Okay, can. Can we just all take a moment?

804
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,647
Okay. Lesson as

805
00:36:57,687 --> 00:37:00,107
a writer. Don't do that.

806
00:37:01,127 --> 00:37:04,107
Don't, don't. I just.

807
00:37:05,617 --> 00:37:08,585
That I'm sorry. I just want to get this point out

808
00:37:08,721 --> 00:37:11,705
to m. Me that is amateur hour. I don't know

809
00:37:11,761 --> 00:37:14,585
why they would have included a line like that. Because

810
00:37:14,641 --> 00:37:17,337
that is clear telegraphing that that

811
00:37:17,377 --> 00:37:20,265
character is not going to make it throughout the

812
00:37:20,321 --> 00:37:23,257
rest of the episode. Like when. And as soon as somebody says,

813
00:37:23,297 --> 00:37:26,089
oh, yeah, we'll do that tomorrow, like this very critical

814
00:37:26,153 --> 00:37:28,597
piece of information. And.

815
00:37:28,897 --> 00:37:31,369
And you're like, oh, yeah, you're going to

816
00:37:31,393 --> 00:37:34,161
die. I wasn't necessarily expecting

817
00:37:34,209 --> 00:37:37,057
Jane, but the longer that that scene went on, I was

818
00:37:37,097 --> 00:37:39,537
like, oh, okay. And now more

819
00:37:39,577 --> 00:37:42,193
importantly, it pisses me off because I

820
00:37:42,265 --> 00:37:45,025
know something that.

821
00:37:45,161 --> 00:37:47,477
About this society

822
00:37:47,977 --> 00:37:50,289
paradise that Xavier

823
00:37:50,353 --> 00:37:51,153
doesn't.

824
00:37:51,345 --> 00:37:51,809
>> Will: Yeah.

825
00:37:51,873 --> 00:37:54,833
>> Sarah : And so I'm just. For the rest of the episodes,

826
00:37:54,865 --> 00:37:57,537
I'm just like, okay. So as a viewer, I know

827
00:37:57,577 --> 00:38:00,167
this catch up Xavier.

828
00:38:02,267 --> 00:38:05,171
>> Will: I will say I didn't think it was amateur hour. I

829
00:38:05,179 --> 00:38:08,067
actually thought it was damn good writing because it,

830
00:38:08,187 --> 00:38:10,659
it was a per. It was a bookend to the beginning of the

831
00:38:10,683 --> 00:38:13,571
episode about. Even though it

832
00:38:13,579 --> 00:38:16,547
was a shitty uncle who was like trying to get the message about

833
00:38:16,587 --> 00:38:19,507
never hesitate. Yeah, it just, it made it

834
00:38:19,547 --> 00:38:21,887
to me. It made it to me. It was like.

835
00:38:22,987 --> 00:38:25,939
Yeah, I saw the moment. You know, we, you know, we all saw

836
00:38:25,963 --> 00:38:28,829
it coming. Whenever. Well,

837
00:38:28,853 --> 00:38:31,669
he was going to tell him in the next morning. you

838
00:38:31,693 --> 00:38:34,533
know, I was worried it was going to happen there in the park, like some sniper

839
00:38:34,565 --> 00:38:36,457
was going to take him out in front of the kids.

840
00:38:37,477 --> 00:38:40,377
that's what I thought. That's what I thought was going to happen.

841
00:38:40,937 --> 00:38:43,687
but but no, but but no. I thought

842
00:38:43,727 --> 00:38:46,727
that it was just, you know, the lessons that

843
00:38:46,767 --> 00:38:49,527
Billy fault, you know, over, you know,

844
00:38:49,567 --> 00:38:52,289
fault all. You know, from his

845
00:38:52,313 --> 00:38:55,153
young, young days. Whenever we first, you know, when an episode

846
00:38:55,185 --> 00:38:58,001
first starts and we see him

847
00:38:58,169 --> 00:39:00,833
there on the hunting trip and stuff with his, with his shitty

848
00:39:00,865 --> 00:39:03,861
uncle. you know, so yeah, I just thought it

849
00:39:03,869 --> 00:39:06,517
was just, you know, he, his

850
00:39:06,557 --> 00:39:09,525
last. That was one lesson that, you know,

851
00:39:09,581 --> 00:39:12,309
he seemed to. He gotten over, but at the end of the

852
00:39:12,333 --> 00:39:15,189
day, you know, he

853
00:39:15,213 --> 00:39:16,097
forgot it.

854
00:39:18,157 --> 00:39:20,981
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, no, I, I agree.

855
00:39:21,069 --> 00:39:24,005
Like 90 of this episode is really good

856
00:39:24,061 --> 00:39:26,965
writing because it's about Billy and because

857
00:39:27,021 --> 00:39:29,829
it's. Again, the flashbacks are

858
00:39:29,853 --> 00:39:32,837
doing a lot of contextualizing and make sense

859
00:39:32,917 --> 00:39:35,717
and you do, you do

860
00:39:35,757 --> 00:39:38,577
learn more about paradise. And Even

861
00:39:38,617 --> 00:39:41,137
though I just, I think

862
00:39:41,757 --> 00:39:43,977
the whole, the whole

863
00:39:45,277 --> 00:39:47,753
six, months surface

864
00:39:47,865 --> 00:39:49,997
exploration thing. Yeah,

865
00:39:51,537 --> 00:39:54,537
I just again, I felt like I was a little.

866
00:39:54,657 --> 00:39:57,465
I was too, too far ahead

867
00:39:57,521 --> 00:40:00,359
of the writing and like,

868
00:40:00,463 --> 00:40:03,319
like I put together the pieces way not

869
00:40:03,343 --> 00:40:05,937
when I should have on, on how that

870
00:40:05,977 --> 00:40:08,657
unfolded. Because essentially what happens is we

871
00:40:08,697 --> 00:40:11,649
learn that six months and they, they

872
00:40:11,673 --> 00:40:14,497
agree to send a group of scientists

873
00:40:14,577 --> 00:40:17,425
up to the surface level. And

874
00:40:17,561 --> 00:40:20,097
it turns out that they also, or

875
00:40:20,137 --> 00:40:23,057
Samantha more importantly, sent Billy up there to kill

876
00:40:23,097 --> 00:40:23,677
them.

877
00:40:24,217 --> 00:40:24,997
>> Will: Yeah.

878
00:40:25,977 --> 00:40:28,117
>> Sarah : And. And we also learn

879
00:40:29,097 --> 00:40:32,017
that the surface is habitable,

880
00:40:32,177 --> 00:40:35,025
have been habitable and

881
00:40:35,081 --> 00:40:38,033
there are signs of life. But it's

882
00:40:38,065 --> 00:40:40,593
been three years and because those people

883
00:40:40,665 --> 00:40:43,585
died, everyone still thinks like that's

884
00:40:43,601 --> 00:40:46,369
not the case. So hence my

885
00:40:46,393 --> 00:40:49,313
theory from the get go. It was Xavier's wife

886
00:40:49,345 --> 00:40:52,193
who killed Cal. I'm just, I'm just saying, I'm just gonna

887
00:40:52,225 --> 00:40:55,137
keep throwing that out there because I know

888
00:40:55,177 --> 00:40:57,889
she's alive. Like, this is another

889
00:40:57,993 --> 00:41:00,851
thing that's gonna drive me crazy until

890
00:41:00,939 --> 00:41:03,763
we see something where it's like, no, she's

891
00:41:03,795 --> 00:41:06,739
clearly dead to me. Like, no, she's alive.

892
00:41:06,803 --> 00:41:09,027
All the signs are pointing there that she's still

893
00:41:09,067 --> 00:41:09,843
alive.

894
00:41:10,035 --> 00:41:12,883
>> Will: I won't go as far as thinking that she

895
00:41:12,955 --> 00:41:15,683
is the killer, but I. I do. I do think she's

896
00:41:15,715 --> 00:41:16,595
alive for sure.

897
00:41:16,651 --> 00:41:19,539
>> Sarah : Yeah. I just. I will. I

898
00:41:19,563 --> 00:41:22,327
will say I don't think we've seen the killer.

899
00:41:22,827 --> 00:41:25,123
I know it's not Samantha. It can't,

900
00:41:26,171 --> 00:41:28,819
because Samantha would know who has. Like,

901
00:41:28,923 --> 00:41:31,587
Samantha would know where the tablet is and she

902
00:41:31,627 --> 00:41:32,771
clearly doesn't.

903
00:41:32,899 --> 00:41:33,235
>> Will: Right.

904
00:41:33,291 --> 00:41:36,067
>> Sarah : And so like. Like there are

905
00:41:36,107 --> 00:41:38,931
clear signs that it wasn't her or anybody

906
00:41:38,979 --> 00:41:41,487
who she sent. Like, she didn't

907
00:41:42,027 --> 00:41:42,435
see.

908
00:41:42,491 --> 00:41:45,407
>> Will: I do think it's somebody. I, do think she's behind it.

909
00:41:46,027 --> 00:41:48,867
>> Sarah : Well, then why. If

910
00:41:48,907 --> 00:41:51,727
she's behind it, then,

911
00:41:51,957 --> 00:41:54,277
And, and you very well could be right.

912
00:41:54,887 --> 00:41:57,807
Then what are we freaking doing with this whole investigation

913
00:41:57,887 --> 00:41:58,787
storyline?

914
00:42:01,117 --> 00:42:04,005
>> Will: I, mean, that's the other piece. I mean, I don't know. Well either.

915
00:42:04,053 --> 00:42:06,641
I don't know if she's. Well, maybe. Let me, Let me.

916
00:42:07,021 --> 00:42:10,001
So I think one, she may be behind it. Or two,

917
00:42:10,461 --> 00:42:12,981
if she's not behind it, there is some

918
00:42:13,021 --> 00:42:15,921
things that is on that tablet that would

919
00:42:16,221 --> 00:42:18,437
complete. That would completely

920
00:42:18,469 --> 00:42:20,905
undermine her. Not.

921
00:42:20,993 --> 00:42:23,097
>> Sarah : I know why she wants the tablet.

922
00:42:23,209 --> 00:42:25,301
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, there's stuff up there.

923
00:42:25,761 --> 00:42:28,745
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just. Yeah, I'm just getting it out

924
00:42:28,753 --> 00:42:31,673
there for, you know, for our listeners. Just for, you know, I mean, I think

925
00:42:31,697 --> 00:42:34,249
everybody knows that. I just. I just wanted to verbalize it. But.

926
00:42:34,305 --> 00:42:37,081
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just was wondering why you

927
00:42:37,121 --> 00:42:39,141
think that she would be behind it.

928
00:42:40,261 --> 00:42:43,251
>> Will: just her motivations for setting up paradise to begin with. is

929
00:42:43,291 --> 00:42:44,711
her own little utopia.

930
00:42:45,461 --> 00:42:47,241
>> Sarah : No. Right, right.

931
00:42:48,261 --> 00:42:51,117
>> Will: And maybe something Cal. You know, maybe they had a falling

932
00:42:51,149 --> 00:42:52,881
out and he was gonna.

933
00:42:53,701 --> 00:42:56,253
>> Sarah : You're still working on motive. But,

934
00:42:56,357 --> 00:42:59,293
but then why are we spinning our

935
00:42:59,317 --> 00:43:02,189
wheels with this investigation storyline

936
00:43:02,365 --> 00:43:03,961
if she's behind it?

937
00:43:04,761 --> 00:43:06,331
>> Will: because it.

938
00:43:07,431 --> 00:43:09,791
Well, because, you know, they. The. The. The.

939
00:43:09,911 --> 00:43:12,783
The COVID story to the rest of the people in the.

940
00:43:12,807 --> 00:43:15,641
In the. In the. In paradise is it was

941
00:43:15,681 --> 00:43:17,981
just an accident. No one knows that it was a murder.

942
00:43:18,641 --> 00:43:19,381
>> Sarah : Right?

943
00:43:19,761 --> 00:43:22,633
>> Will: So she's gotta, like, figure out who did it so she can have her

944
00:43:22,657 --> 00:43:25,561
big. Her bad. Take it. Take out whoever actually did

945
00:43:25,601 --> 00:43:28,441
do it so everything. Her whole. Her whole little

946
00:43:28,481 --> 00:43:30,217
utopia here doesn't get blown up.

947
00:43:30,369 --> 00:43:33,305
>> Sarah : Yeah. And if that was the case, then she. She would have

948
00:43:33,313 --> 00:43:35,785
been able to do that. But

949
00:43:35,953 --> 00:43:38,809
I. I guess what I'm saying is I'm not. I.

950
00:43:38,865 --> 00:43:41,507
I really don't think she's behind

951
00:43:41,579 --> 00:43:44,563
it. And if she is, the writers have a lot to

952
00:43:44,587 --> 00:43:47,507
work to do to make Me convinced that we didn't

953
00:43:47,539 --> 00:43:50,311
waste our time with like a full storyline.

954
00:43:53,291 --> 00:43:56,019
I understand her motive. I, I get

955
00:43:56,075 --> 00:43:58,963
that. Like, yeah, she's, she's set

956
00:43:58,987 --> 00:44:01,831
up to be the antagonist, but it's way too obvious.

957
00:44:02,171 --> 00:44:04,947
It's way too obvious to be her. And it doesn't

958
00:44:04,979 --> 00:44:07,455
make sense for all of this commotion

959
00:44:07,603 --> 00:44:10,391
for her and Robinson to try to

960
00:44:10,431 --> 00:44:12,999
find. Not. And it's not even about

961
00:44:13,055 --> 00:44:15,959
Cow's murder. Like it's clearly

962
00:44:16,055 --> 00:44:18,791
who has the tablet. So. And

963
00:44:18,831 --> 00:44:21,639
those could be two different people. Like you could be right. She

964
00:44:21,695 --> 00:44:24,551
could have sent somebody to kill Cal and then

965
00:44:24,591 --> 00:44:27,291
somebody else snuck in and stole the tablet.

966
00:44:27,791 --> 00:44:29,961
But. And and that somebody else is

967
00:44:30,001 --> 00:44:32,821
Xavier's not dead wife. Just

968
00:44:33,681 --> 00:44:34,421
so.

969
00:44:39,771 --> 00:44:42,451
Oh my God. I, I feel like

970
00:44:42,491 --> 00:44:45,155
because his wife is clearly not dead,

971
00:44:45,283 --> 00:44:48,019
the writers have to kill off any like

972
00:44:48,075 --> 00:44:50,739
bromance that's going on with, with

973
00:44:50,795 --> 00:44:53,311
Xavier. So like,

974
00:44:55,131 --> 00:44:57,451
poor guy. Oh my God.

975
00:44:58,761 --> 00:45:01,089
yeah, so we learn, we learn through

976
00:45:01,145 --> 00:45:03,585
flashback in present day about

977
00:45:03,673 --> 00:45:06,661
Billy and to your point, why this

978
00:45:06,701 --> 00:45:09,429
episode did have a majority of really

979
00:45:09,485 --> 00:45:12,421
good writing, despite that line that I still stand

980
00:45:12,461 --> 00:45:15,461
by and think is amateur hour. they did

981
00:45:15,501 --> 00:45:18,021
an excellent job of making us

982
00:45:18,061 --> 00:45:20,885
understand the difference

983
00:45:21,013 --> 00:45:23,701
between Xavier and

984
00:45:23,741 --> 00:45:26,309
Billy in paradise. And I thought that was

985
00:45:26,365 --> 00:45:29,125
beautiful because Billy is a person

986
00:45:29,213 --> 00:45:31,111
who in the real world

987
00:45:32,051 --> 00:45:34,683
was, was in the dirt, in the

988
00:45:34,707 --> 00:45:37,595
muck and the world kicked the shit out of

989
00:45:37,603 --> 00:45:40,379
him and he was just scraping by

990
00:45:40,515 --> 00:45:43,451
and life wasn't. He didn't have

991
00:45:43,491 --> 00:45:46,171
a lot of stuff. He comes to paradise or

992
00:45:46,211 --> 00:45:49,163
finds himself in paradise and to him it

993
00:45:49,187 --> 00:45:51,963
is, it's like this is how the life should have

994
00:45:51,987 --> 00:45:54,741
been. I have a best friend. I'm I can be a

995
00:45:54,781 --> 00:45:57,711
stand in uncle for these kids. I can, I have

996
00:45:57,751 --> 00:46:00,367
this girlfriend now. I have a job.

997
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:02,651
Nothing happens here. But

998
00:46:03,351 --> 00:46:06,095
this is so normal. And I have a house.

999
00:46:06,183 --> 00:46:08,783
Like when they did that line about the house, it

1000
00:46:08,807 --> 00:46:11,439
was, it was like you, you get it, you

1001
00:46:11,495 --> 00:46:14,271
understand? And they always mention like this is the

1002
00:46:14,311 --> 00:46:17,151
third carnival, which is an anniversary day

1003
00:46:17,191 --> 00:46:19,967
of paradise and a celebration day.

1004
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:22,895
And Xavier always points out why Billy

1005
00:46:22,943 --> 00:46:24,911
is so happy. And it's because

1006
00:46:25,691 --> 00:46:28,563
like this is a life he only could

1007
00:46:28,587 --> 00:46:30,751
have dreamed of three years ago.

1008
00:46:31,211 --> 00:46:33,985
And he couldn't even want like in a

1009
00:46:33,993 --> 00:46:36,881
way, like it was so far fetched for him

1010
00:46:36,921 --> 00:46:39,633
to ever get there. So you understand

1011
00:46:39,737 --> 00:46:42,061
that and more importantly, you understand

1012
00:46:42,681 --> 00:46:44,341
why for Xavier

1013
00:46:46,441 --> 00:46:49,393
it's not. It's

1014
00:46:49,537 --> 00:46:52,311
because he is

1015
00:46:52,611 --> 00:46:53,831
stuck here

1016
00:46:55,331 --> 00:46:58,203
and still. And I loved how they brought it

1017
00:46:58,227 --> 00:47:00,901
up, and they brought it up as It's the

1018
00:47:00,941 --> 00:47:03,893
unknown, it's the not Knowing that is

1019
00:47:03,917 --> 00:47:06,581
the hard part. It's hard. It's harder to

1020
00:47:06,621 --> 00:47:09,029
grieve when you're still

1021
00:47:09,085 --> 00:47:11,909
questioning if your wife or the

1022
00:47:11,965 --> 00:47:14,501
person you lost is. Is alive or

1023
00:47:14,541 --> 00:47:17,279
dead. And that is

1024
00:47:17,335 --> 00:47:19,929
something. And that is why they do the, the

1025
00:47:19,985 --> 00:47:21,673
mission to the surface.

1026
00:47:21,817 --> 00:47:22,281
>> Will: Yeah.

1027
00:47:22,281 --> 00:47:25,187
>> Sarah : I will say though, that another

1028
00:47:25,259 --> 00:47:27,971
reason why these two

1029
00:47:28,011 --> 00:47:30,933
episodes kind of made, me take a

1030
00:47:30,957 --> 00:47:33,845
step back a bit is because

1031
00:47:33,933 --> 00:47:36,165
I watched a show called

1032
00:47:36,253 --> 00:47:39,045
Leftovers M and

1033
00:47:39,213 --> 00:47:42,049
Leftovers, specifically season two,

1034
00:47:42,105 --> 00:47:44,381
and arguably majority of season three,

1035
00:47:45,801 --> 00:47:48,381
did this, and they did it well,

1036
00:47:49,401 --> 00:47:51,581
everything. And

1037
00:47:52,361 --> 00:47:55,169
I, I don't want to come off as too harsh, but I'm always

1038
00:47:55,225 --> 00:47:58,177
honest with my opinions. I just hope

1039
00:47:58,249 --> 00:48:00,785
that this doesn't become a watered down

1040
00:48:00,873 --> 00:48:03,329
version of the Leftovers,

1041
00:48:03,505 --> 00:48:06,061
because Leftovers was all about

1042
00:48:06,751 --> 00:48:08,531
those who are left behind

1043
00:48:08,911 --> 00:48:11,639
grieving those who were

1044
00:48:11,695 --> 00:48:14,247
taken. Ah. And that

1045
00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:17,011
psychology of grief and loss

1046
00:48:18,591 --> 00:48:21,351
and also some of the uncertainty,

1047
00:48:21,431 --> 00:48:24,135
because in the premise of that show is

1048
00:48:24,303 --> 00:48:27,015
one moment, majority of the world

1049
00:48:27,103 --> 00:48:29,831
just disappeared, and it was all

1050
00:48:29,871 --> 00:48:31,651
focused on those left behind.

1051
00:48:32,361 --> 00:48:35,153
So to an extent, I

1052
00:48:35,177 --> 00:48:38,065
mean, I know the easier way to go,

1053
00:48:38,153 --> 00:48:40,977
it'd be comparing it to Fallout,

1054
00:48:41,089 --> 00:48:44,065
which, Which is true. I mean, that's. As soon as.

1055
00:48:44,153 --> 00:48:46,865
As soon as they're like, we're gonna send people to the surface.

1056
00:48:46,913 --> 00:48:49,825
And then at the end when Billy confronts Samantha and

1057
00:48:49,833 --> 00:48:52,689
she's like, well, it isn't

1058
00:48:52,865 --> 00:48:55,723
like, you think you want to be up there. Like, can you

1059
00:48:55,747 --> 00:48:58,715
only imagine what kind of chaos is happening?

1060
00:48:58,763 --> 00:49:00,989
And I'm like, well, yeah, I watched Fallout.

1061
00:49:01,155 --> 00:49:03,941
>> Will: Yeah, I watched the Last of Us. Yeah. I mean,

1062
00:49:04,321 --> 00:49:07,273
fill in the blank as far as any dystopian show where people are

1063
00:49:07,297 --> 00:49:09,689
living in. Behind a hermetically still

1064
00:49:09,745 --> 00:49:10,489
bubble.

1065
00:49:10,665 --> 00:49:13,625
>> Sarah : Right, right. So. So it's just.

1066
00:49:13,713 --> 00:49:16,341
It's so. But I,

1067
00:49:16,961 --> 00:49:19,955
I went. I think, my concern

1068
00:49:20,043 --> 00:49:22,995
is more of. About specifically

1069
00:49:23,043 --> 00:49:25,747
the themes of grief and loss that

1070
00:49:25,819 --> 00:49:28,643
were explored in Leftovers, that they

1071
00:49:28,667 --> 00:49:31,471
are hinting at here and they're doing good.

1072
00:49:32,811 --> 00:49:34,641
It's just, for me,

1073
00:49:35,501 --> 00:49:37,827
that that's, that's a high bar.

1074
00:49:38,367 --> 00:49:38,983
Yeah.

1075
00:49:39,095 --> 00:49:41,947
>> Will: Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. I know you. I know you. That's

1076
00:49:42,447 --> 00:49:45,095
throughout our time podcasting together. I know that's a show

1077
00:49:45,151 --> 00:49:47,587
that, you know, that you. That you

1078
00:49:47,887 --> 00:49:50,823
use as a reference point as far as, like a high bar

1079
00:49:50,975 --> 00:49:53,593
show that, that you measure a lot of things against.

1080
00:49:53,665 --> 00:49:56,099
And so, Yeah, you know, I did not watch the

1081
00:49:56,123 --> 00:49:58,995
Leftovers, but, But, But yeah, I hear what you're

1082
00:49:59,011 --> 00:50:00,927
saying, and I, I agree. I mean, I think,

1083
00:50:02,027 --> 00:50:04,979
it is easy in these dystopian shows like this.

1084
00:50:05,003 --> 00:50:07,539
And when you. When you have points, as you just

1085
00:50:07,563 --> 00:50:10,557
articulated, for, them to go. Go that particular route.

1086
00:50:10,589 --> 00:50:13,421
But I will. Yeah, but, you know, but I guess. And

1087
00:50:13,461 --> 00:50:16,445
I. I guess with the, you know, given that

1088
00:50:16,453 --> 00:50:19,255
we have, you know, as we. As we have explored

1089
00:50:19,303 --> 00:50:22,071
tonight, at least two mysteries that we know of,

1090
00:50:22,111 --> 00:50:24,903
and now maybe even more given that

1091
00:50:24,927 --> 00:50:27,143
we've learned now that the outside world is

1092
00:50:27,167 --> 00:50:29,813
habitable, you know,

1093
00:50:29,997 --> 00:50:32,933
all, you know, what we. We. You know, I think

1094
00:50:32,957 --> 00:50:35,605
we got various threads here,

1095
00:50:35,693 --> 00:50:38,581
mysteries that, you know, we. We do need to, like, find out

1096
00:50:38,621 --> 00:50:41,205
answers to as far as the murder, as far as what happened

1097
00:50:41,333 --> 00:50:43,921
now, you know, Will. What. You know, Will,

1098
00:50:45,201 --> 00:50:48,153
you know, well, what's going to happen now with, you know,

1099
00:50:48,177 --> 00:50:50,905
with Billy being gone. I know they try to stage it to make it look like a

1100
00:50:50,913 --> 00:50:53,021
suicide, but, you know, yeah,

1101
00:50:53,761 --> 00:50:56,745
that's the COVID story. But, you know, you

1102
00:50:56,753 --> 00:50:59,529
know, what's, you know, what's Jane's role going to be

1103
00:50:59,665 --> 00:51:02,665
moving forward? You know, because now, you know,

1104
00:51:02,753 --> 00:51:05,625
to my crazy theory about maybe Samantha's behind

1105
00:51:05,713 --> 00:51:08,585
Cal's death, I mean, was she the one who did it? You know, so, I

1106
00:51:08,593 --> 00:51:11,497
mean, Right. Especially given that the cameras were conveniently

1107
00:51:11,529 --> 00:51:14,319
off, and someone came from the outside. So.

1108
00:51:14,455 --> 00:51:16,991
Yeah, so, I mean. Yeah, so I think the.

1109
00:51:17,111 --> 00:51:19,631
So I. I feel like there's a. Enough

1110
00:51:19,751 --> 00:51:21,931
there that will

1111
00:51:23,031 --> 00:51:25,967
keep it, you know, keep. Keep us engaged and who knows

1112
00:51:25,999 --> 00:51:28,863
what other, like, major characters gonna, like, get often. I

1113
00:51:28,887 --> 00:51:31,691
know we're running out of them, but, you know, we,

1114
00:51:32,471 --> 00:51:35,327
you know, we still have the Robbie that, you know, Samantha

1115
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:38,323
sees that her usefulness is gone. You know, she

1116
00:51:38,347 --> 00:51:39,251
may take her out next.

1117
00:51:39,291 --> 00:51:42,051
>> Sarah : Who knows her usefulness is gone.

1118
00:51:42,131 --> 00:51:43,571
I don't. I don't think,

1119
00:51:44,291 --> 00:51:47,147
Samantha's on a killing mission right now.

1120
00:51:47,299 --> 00:51:49,991
Like, she. If for her,

1121
00:51:50,291 --> 00:51:53,291
for her utopia to work, she has to have

1122
00:51:53,331 --> 00:51:53,867
people.

1123
00:51:54,019 --> 00:51:54,539
>> Will: Yes.

1124
00:51:54,635 --> 00:51:56,283
>> Sarah : She can't just kill everyone.

1125
00:51:56,467 --> 00:51:59,083
>> Will: But everybody knows her secrets, though. I mean,

1126
00:51:59,187 --> 00:52:00,311
that's the thing.

1127
00:52:00,851 --> 00:52:03,813
>> Sarah : But. But do they? Because, you know,

1128
00:52:03,837 --> 00:52:06,201
who doesn't? Xavier. Xavier.

1129
00:52:07,261 --> 00:52:10,213
>> Will: Well, that's just it. So to that point, to

1130
00:52:10,237 --> 00:52:12,869
my point about the Robbie, you know, now that if

1131
00:52:12,925 --> 00:52:15,365
she just, you know, discovers

1132
00:52:15,413 --> 00:52:18,121
that Sam.

1133
00:52:19,661 --> 00:52:21,829
Samantha discovers that the Robbie and

1134
00:52:21,885 --> 00:52:24,821
Xavier did hook up. But even

1135
00:52:24,861 --> 00:52:27,653
though, I will say, I mean, Xavier really fumbled the

1136
00:52:27,677 --> 00:52:30,661
bag there with the carnival whenever they were talking. The

1137
00:52:30,701 --> 00:52:31,841
man has no game

1138
00:52:33,391 --> 00:52:36,391
as far as, like the. The next. The day after. I mean, come

1139
00:52:36,431 --> 00:52:39,271
on, really. You know, he was like. It was like almost like it's his

1140
00:52:39,311 --> 00:52:42,223
first time. But, Yeah, but, you

1141
00:52:42,247 --> 00:52:44,959
know, maybe she's Motive, you know, if, if she

1142
00:52:45,015 --> 00:52:47,535
finds that out that, and

1143
00:52:47,623 --> 00:52:50,303
she's given that Sinatra is already suspicious of

1144
00:52:50,327 --> 00:52:53,131
Xavier anyway, to like to your point, you know,

1145
00:52:53,591 --> 00:52:56,331
she, he's the wild card that she didn't plan for.

1146
00:52:57,031 --> 00:52:57,835
>> Sarah : Right.

1147
00:52:58,023 --> 00:53:00,963
>> Will: So, I mean there's any number of like, ways this can

1148
00:53:00,987 --> 00:53:01,987
go still.

1149
00:53:02,059 --> 00:53:04,883
>> Sarah : So I think that's, Yeah, I just, I

1150
00:53:04,907 --> 00:53:07,509
just pray to God you're wrong. like, if Samantha's behind

1151
00:53:07,581 --> 00:53:10,405
this, I'm probably not be

1152
00:53:10,429 --> 00:53:11,701
watching season two.

1153
00:53:11,837 --> 00:53:14,709
>> Will: Yeah, I, I, I, Well, I don't think we're going to get. I don't think we're

1154
00:53:14,741 --> 00:53:16,947
going to get an answer in season one. so.

1155
00:53:17,035 --> 00:53:19,795
>> Sarah : Oh my God. If they, if they do not answer

1156
00:53:19,859 --> 00:53:22,121
that question by the end of the season.

1157
00:53:22,307 --> 00:53:23,085
No.

1158
00:53:23,269 --> 00:53:26,253
>> Will: Well, well, well, you know, thinking back, what Folgama said, I did

1159
00:53:26,293 --> 00:53:29,165
say, I do think, if I recall the interviews he did about

1160
00:53:29,269 --> 00:53:32,237
the show, he did say he was, he did wrap things up. So

1161
00:53:32,245 --> 00:53:33,565
he will wrap this one mystery up.

1162
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:36,445
>> Sarah : Yeah, I was gonna say, I was like, for some reason I

1163
00:53:36,469 --> 00:53:39,261
had it in my mind that a lot of the, what we're talking about

1164
00:53:39,317 --> 00:53:42,061
right now is not, I mean, I still

1165
00:53:42,117 --> 00:53:44,461
think that they maybe have two

1166
00:53:44,517 --> 00:53:46,909
mysteries. I mean, I don't, I don't really

1167
00:53:46,981 --> 00:53:49,603
consider the, the

1168
00:53:49,643 --> 00:53:51,715
actual event itself to be a

1169
00:53:51,739 --> 00:53:54,627
mystery per se because that's just

1170
00:53:54,715 --> 00:53:55,843
like scenery.

1171
00:53:56,003 --> 00:53:58,643
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

1172
00:53:58,803 --> 00:54:00,983
It's the definition of a MacGuffin.

1173
00:54:01,403 --> 00:54:03,623
>> Sarah : Yeah. It's just circumstance.

1174
00:54:04,603 --> 00:54:07,475
And I, I mean, the only way

1175
00:54:07,499 --> 00:54:10,371
I'll allow this mystery about the cow

1176
00:54:10,467 --> 00:54:13,267
and more importantly who stole the,

1177
00:54:13,355 --> 00:54:16,173
the tablet is if, if

1178
00:54:16,213 --> 00:54:18,717
it by then we at least know who's behind

1179
00:54:18,805 --> 00:54:21,709
it. And by we, I mean us

1180
00:54:21,781 --> 00:54:24,573
and Xavier. I don't, I'm not,

1181
00:54:24,693 --> 00:54:27,679
I hope people can tell, by my reaction

1182
00:54:27,711 --> 00:54:30,083
to these episodes, I'm not a fan

1183
00:54:30,583 --> 00:54:33,023
of a mystery thriller

1184
00:54:33,103 --> 00:54:36,063
show where I as a viewer

1185
00:54:36,143 --> 00:54:38,447
know more than our lead

1186
00:54:38,535 --> 00:54:41,231
character. I don't, I don't

1187
00:54:41,327 --> 00:54:44,043
that it bothers me because

1188
00:54:44,823 --> 00:54:47,679
I feel like for when I'm

1189
00:54:47,711 --> 00:54:50,623
engaged in a thriller mystery, I

1190
00:54:50,663 --> 00:54:53,503
am putting together the pieces right

1191
00:54:53,543 --> 00:54:55,727
alongside the main character.

1192
00:54:55,855 --> 00:54:56,751
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

1193
00:54:56,847 --> 00:54:59,695
>> Sarah : When I already have a piece of the

1194
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,803
puzzle and

1195
00:55:02,343 --> 00:55:04,943
I, I feel like I'm like, oh,

1196
00:55:05,103 --> 00:55:07,999
now I have to wait for you to catch up. I don't.

1197
00:55:08,111 --> 00:55:08,763
What.

1198
00:55:09,223 --> 00:55:12,063
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I'm just saying I'm there with you on that one.

1199
00:55:12,103 --> 00:55:15,045
To be honest. I'm the same way. I, you, know. And I don't

1200
00:55:15,061 --> 00:55:17,685
know if they're, if he's using the drama and the other stuff.

1201
00:55:17,781 --> 00:55:20,001
Fulgman, that is, as a

1202
00:55:20,009 --> 00:55:22,717
Crutch to. To compensate for

1203
00:55:23,177 --> 00:55:25,889
us being ahead of Xavier as far as

1204
00:55:25,913 --> 00:55:28,237
Salt is putting things together, so.

1205
00:55:29,097 --> 00:55:29,847
>> Sarah : Right.

1206
00:55:30,017 --> 00:55:30,651
>> Will: Yeah.

1207
00:55:30,779 --> 00:55:33,447
>> Sarah : Right. So I. I do.

1208
00:55:34,147 --> 00:55:36,773
Even though it, sucks that

1209
00:55:36,797 --> 00:55:39,749
Billy's dead, I.

1210
00:55:39,805 --> 00:55:42,613
I do appreciate how they. They also

1211
00:55:42,717 --> 00:55:45,621
managed to explain to me and make it make sense

1212
00:55:45,701 --> 00:55:48,304
how Billy ended up part of the 26,

1213
00:55:48,447 --> 00:55:51,349
000 immediately within

1214
00:55:51,405 --> 00:55:54,213
the first, like, few flashbacks. I'm like, wait a second. Why did

1215
00:55:54,237 --> 00:55:55,441
Billy end up.

1216
00:55:57,271 --> 00:55:58,687
>> Will: Seems like a dumb jock?

1217
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,583
>> Sarah : You know, and then. And

1218
00:56:01,607 --> 00:56:04,447
then. And now it's like, okay, so can't

1219
00:56:04,479 --> 00:56:07,251
wait to understand more about Jane.

1220
00:56:08,761 --> 00:56:11,409
but. And. And see where that came

1221
00:56:11,465 --> 00:56:14,455
from. I do think it was a bit over the top

1222
00:56:14,543 --> 00:56:17,335
when she's like, well, she sent the biggest person.

1223
00:56:17,423 --> 00:56:20,295
I'm like, yeah, you killed him with pills,

1224
00:56:20,343 --> 00:56:22,887
honey. You didn't, like, beat the. Out of him.

1225
00:56:22,959 --> 00:56:23,771
Okay.

1226
00:56:26,351 --> 00:56:29,099
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Well,

1227
00:56:29,155 --> 00:56:31,755
maybe. Maybe emotionally, she definitely. Definitely

1228
00:56:31,803 --> 00:56:34,475
is a worse off person than

1229
00:56:34,563 --> 00:56:35,901
Billy ever was. But,

1230
00:56:36,461 --> 00:56:37,109
>> Sarah : Right.

1231
00:56:37,245 --> 00:56:40,171
>> Will: Yeah. we'll let it kill her. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe she's the one that

1232
00:56:40,211 --> 00:56:41,019
we get off next.

1233
00:56:41,075 --> 00:56:43,771
>> Sarah : Yeah, well, but it

1234
00:56:43,811 --> 00:56:45,671
also makes sense also

1235
00:56:46,691 --> 00:56:49,627
her reaction, her. Everything we've

1236
00:56:49,659 --> 00:56:52,361
seen leading up to then m.

1237
00:56:53,161 --> 00:56:55,729
Like, because they

1238
00:56:55,785 --> 00:56:57,665
fully fleshed out Billy.

1239
00:56:57,793 --> 00:56:58,321
>> Will: Yeah.

1240
00:56:58,401 --> 00:57:00,849
>> Sarah : And then it was. It's like,

1241
00:57:00,905 --> 00:57:03,793
oh, I didn't. I didn't question

1242
00:57:03,897 --> 00:57:06,721
when they're like, oh, Jane's like that too. Because

1243
00:57:06,761 --> 00:57:09,297
I'm like, okay, I get it. They.

1244
00:57:09,449 --> 00:57:12,385
That makes. That makes sense. That didn't. That wasn't

1245
00:57:12,433 --> 00:57:15,297
like, oh, my God, I did not. It's like, no, no,

1246
00:57:15,369 --> 00:57:18,021
no. Because you contextualize this. This character.

1247
00:57:18,051 --> 00:57:20,961
Character. And now I see that they

1248
00:57:21,001 --> 00:57:23,953
are the same. Same. They

1249
00:57:23,977 --> 00:57:26,369
were brought there for the same

1250
00:57:26,425 --> 00:57:27,073
reason.

1251
00:57:27,257 --> 00:57:27,713
>> Will: Yeah.

1252
00:57:27,777 --> 00:57:30,705
>> Sarah : Yeah. Of course, she. She's very. Probably

1253
00:57:30,753 --> 00:57:33,377
has a very troubled childhood

1254
00:57:33,489 --> 00:57:35,261
history. All of that

1255
00:57:36,441 --> 00:57:39,121
to make her want to preserve this

1256
00:57:39,161 --> 00:57:41,617
utopia the same way that Samantha

1257
00:57:41,649 --> 00:57:42,225
does.

1258
00:57:42,393 --> 00:57:45,281
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. And also, it. Also another thing, too,

1259
00:57:45,321 --> 00:57:48,273
as. As you were. We were just talking about Billy and.

1260
00:57:48,377 --> 00:57:50,929
And Jane. You know, I think about that one

1261
00:57:50,985 --> 00:57:53,959
scene there. this is episode three or four. I

1262
00:57:53,967 --> 00:57:56,935
can't remember which one now, but where they were in the

1263
00:57:56,975 --> 00:57:59,847
call and they were talking and they were worried about the other

1264
00:57:59,871 --> 00:58:01,275
agent overhearing

1265
00:58:02,495 --> 00:58:04,475
discussion. Yeah, three. Yeah.

1266
00:58:05,255 --> 00:58:06,845
so, you know, because

1267
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I'm trying to. Yeah. Something was behind that

1268
00:58:10,985 --> 00:58:13,713
door. And so, you know, I'm one desk.

1269
00:58:13,729 --> 00:58:16,467
Again, there's another little element there that, you

1270
00:58:16,491 --> 00:58:19,367
know, I'm, seeing if. If

1271
00:58:19,471 --> 00:58:22,455
Billy is around in flashbacks moving forward,

1272
00:58:22,575 --> 00:58:25,509
you, know, hopefully we'll get some answers to, like, why. Why they

1273
00:58:25,549 --> 00:58:27,329
had that reaction to that.

1274
00:58:29,629 --> 00:58:32,421
>> Sarah : I. If. If Cal can be in

1275
00:58:32,445 --> 00:58:35,189
flashbacks, so can Billy. I mean, we. We

1276
00:58:35,229 --> 00:58:38,213
watched the. The first six months of paradise unfold

1277
00:58:38,261 --> 00:58:40,479
through Xavier and Billy

1278
00:58:40,589 --> 00:58:42,539
becoming best friends.

1279
00:58:42,659 --> 00:58:43,359
>> Will: Yeah.

1280
00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:46,343
>> Sarah : so, yeah, I. I think. I think we're gonna

1281
00:58:46,391 --> 00:58:49,049
still see Billy. and. And

1282
00:58:49,089 --> 00:58:51,417
hopefully we don't get introduced to any more

1283
00:58:51,473 --> 00:58:54,297
bros, because Xavier

1284
00:58:54,393 --> 00:58:57,161
cannot have the best friend. No, we've established

1285
00:58:57,225 --> 00:58:58,681
this. They die.

1286
00:58:58,825 --> 00:58:59,449
>> Will: They die.

1287
00:58:59,529 --> 00:59:02,345
>> Sarah : Xavier, get yourself a T shirt. Do not be a best friend

1288
00:59:02,417 --> 00:59:04,029
to me. You will die.

1289
00:59:04,529 --> 00:59:05,481
>> Will: Keep your distance.

1290
00:59:05,545 --> 00:59:07,549
>> Sarah : Give your distance

1291
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:09,539
only, ladies.

1292
00:59:10,279 --> 00:59:11,379
Apparently.

1293
00:59:12,599 --> 00:59:14,859
Apparently. We'll see.

1294
00:59:15,879 --> 00:59:18,179
Oh, man. Okay,

1295
00:59:18,869 --> 00:59:21,625
well, I think that's it for us tonight.

1296
00:59:21,737 --> 00:59:24,681
Will, why don't you tell our listeners where they can find you?

1297
00:59:24,865 --> 00:59:27,705
>> Will: Yeah, you can find me on the socials

1298
00:59:27,737 --> 00:59:30,521
and tell me if you think my theory is way off base or too

1299
00:59:30,545 --> 00:59:33,497
obvious. At Will and Polk. W I L

1300
00:59:33,553 --> 00:59:34,561
L M M P.

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00:59:34,585 --> 00:59:37,345
>> Sarah : O L okay, you can find me there, too. @ SJ

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