Shogun's Battle for Power Intensifies and Invincible Returns | Scene N Nerd

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>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is Scene N nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont, and with

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me, as always, is our Mr. Producer, will Polk. How are you doing tonight,

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will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, sir. How you doing this evening?

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>> Sarah : Well, you've already managed to surprise me,

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because during pre show talk, when we

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normally do not talk about what we're

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going to talk about, you spilled some

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tea, and so now I'm just

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interesting.

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>> Will: Yeah, but I could have been doing a headfake,

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too.

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>> Sarah : I think I've talked to you long enough

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to know when you're pulling a head fake,

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there's some tells. I

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hear your voice on a regular basis.

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>> Will: True.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: After seven years of doing this, we kind of know. Yeah. There

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are some things where if we were to play a game

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of poker, it would be hard to bluff one another,

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right?

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>> Sarah : Definitely. talking about

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bluffing and playing poker, House of

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Dragon dropped a trailer.

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Actually, it was two, because there

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was the green side trailer and the black side

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trailer, which wasn't. Nobody was expecting

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that, right? Everyone kept saying, the

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trailer is coming. So when I looked, I'm like, oh,

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there's two of them. now,

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I appreciate that. However,

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I think the tagline

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all must choose is stupid, and

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here's why. Who the heck is on Team

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Green? a

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fan that watched the first season

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that is legitimately on

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Team Green. And yes, I get it. We

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got some incest happening on team

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black.

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M, if you're on Team Green,

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then I need to understand

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you. And in my opinion, that means you did not

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like viserys at all. And if that is

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the case, then why are you watching the show?

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>> Will: Amen. Yeah, seriously,

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though, if anybody is on Team Green,

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please, on our socials, if you listen

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to us on YouTube, drop a comment.

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yeah, make the case for Team Green, because

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to your point about the trailers,

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just brilliant marketing. Just

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effing brilliant. As far as just.

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Even though I agree with you, the tagline

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is a little like, okay, we

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got hyping it up. It was smart.

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They dropped the posters and stuff yesterday

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and, sort of set the stage. I know

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we had the little teaser trailer back late last

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year, but,

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the two trailers, and we got the release

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date too, which is June 16.

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>> Will: And so it really

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set, really, as I was watching the trailers again the night before we

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were recording, it really just like, oh, yeah.

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It just does a great job of just

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framing the conflict between

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the two and, like, the team green trailer, just remembering

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how, speaking of Viserys and

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Alicent, like, hearing what she wanted to hear

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whatever he said, aegon.

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And then of course, on the team black, just,

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Renera and

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Damon.

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I can't wait for June. This is one of those

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series I didn't watch, Game of Thrones. So I was

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new to the universe and the franchise and

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I'm 100% on board with this show.

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I don't think it's going to disappoint at all.

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>> Sarah : So I'm going to be honest. Besides

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my thoughts about the, tagline

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being a bit lame,

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honestly, I watched both of them.

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I didn't like it. I

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felt like they told me,

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and I get it. They're trying to attract viewers who may not have

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watched the first season. Okay, whatever.

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But to me, I

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appreciate the first season trailers a lot more. There

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was just something about it where it felt,

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I don't know, there was not enough

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tension for me. And, there

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was a lot more fights and a lot more

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action sequences. And then

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when, team

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green, we get a few clips from

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them talking about

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Alison's point of view and everything, I'm just

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like, Olivia cook, where are you? You did great in

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season

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hitting. This isn't hitting the way I want it.

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So I'm still obsessed with this

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show. Don't get me wrong,

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I didn't need to watch the trailers to want to

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see the second season.

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by all means. But honestly,

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when I compare it to other trailers of things,

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I was a bit disappointed.

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>> Will: I can see your point. And I think

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maybe it's, where we're coming

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from, as far as you're

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been in this longer than I have, as far as Game of

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Thrones stuff,

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I'm not saying that, to mean that you're like, having

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the carryover effect that many fans had, the way that

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that series ended. No

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more of, I just know you

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as far as how you react to things in trailers and stuff.

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To me, it just sounds like this just reinforces

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things that you already know.

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>> Sarah : right.

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I guess where I can

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really articulate that, where my disappointment

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stems from is there was no

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scene or no part of either

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trailer where I was like, oh,

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I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to understand

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the context of this because I'm just like, okay, but at

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the same time, will,

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all I can hope for is that means they're holding things

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back.

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>> Will: Yeah, exactly.

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>> Sarah : Beggars can't be choosers.

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I'm fine. As long as

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they held back the right things, I am perfectly

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fine.

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I think I just want to make sure from my

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perspective, there's nothing wrong. For me saying, like,

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this trailer disappointed me. It has nothing to do with the show

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itself.

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>> Will: Right?

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>> Sarah : It's advertisement for that show, but

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I'm not going to hold it against it because I'm not going to

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watch these trailers,

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between now and when I actually sit down to watch the show.

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So I'm not going to hold on to like, oh, they showed

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that in the trailer? No.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : speaking about

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mixed review trailers, we got

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a few of them this week, but, Star wars

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acolyte trailer came out, and before it came

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out, it also dropped the

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poster. Now, will,

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please explain to me how can the

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poster be so much cooler

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than the trailer?

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Did the person who designed the

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poster watch the trailer?

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>> Will: I don't think so.

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>> Will: Like House of the Dragon, this is one of those trailers. I

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knew the show. We finally did get confirmation

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that. As far as the release date, I think

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prior to the trailer and the poster, which is June

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4, I mean, we knew it was coming in June, but I think,

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anyway, when I saw that

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poster and the lightsaber smeared with

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blood, I was just like, all what

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they've been saying about this show going in a different

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direction. We're going back to the high Republic. It is

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set 100 years before. Phantom. Ah, menace.

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It was supposed to be a thriller mystery,

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darker take on things.

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That poster, I was like, oh,

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yeah, it got me hyped. When I saw

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the trailer, it was okay, but

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I just felt like it was like, I don't

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know, I felt like

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it was just,

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a remix of what I've seen before.

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Especially when I watched it again tonight, before

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I had the initial reaction, I was like, okay, this is

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cool. But watching it again,

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and I was really watching it from a

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critical eye. I was like, this just feels

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like just a rehash of stuff that we've seen before.

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Yes, there's a Sith. Yes, it's the

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high Republic. They're new people. But

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it just like, I feel like I'm in the

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Skywalker saga again.

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>> Sarah : Oh, right. It's because,

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what Star wars has been doing with their

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universe is they've been,

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instead of

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chronological order, there's like,

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different points of time and things are

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separated, and yet they even play

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into this idea. Oh.

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So during this time,

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the Sith were in charge. During this time, it was the

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Jedi. And then here's the story of how it

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flipped. And here's the story how it flipped back and

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back, and you're just like, I don't care if this is a

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hundred years before.

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You're telling me

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the same story

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essentially. Now,

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they could have done it a lot

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more. They could have been more creative with it

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because from m, I

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also understood this almost to be like

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the origin story of the dark side and

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really where it came from and how it

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disrupted everything and caused this

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battle that has now gone on for

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years.

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>> Sarah : But they didn't sell it that way. They sold

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it more as like, okay,

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it just feels like more of the same.

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And yes, I always argue

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Star wars. For whatever reason, I've been

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in fatigue mode for a while now with their,

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am.

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The one thing that got me though, is

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the main actress in it. I want to

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say her name is Amanda something.

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she's a pretty good actress. I've seen her in a

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few things. So I'm, I'm

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curious to see her. And I'm especially

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now that it's like she's going to be the

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dark side person. I was

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like, oh, that's interesting. But you didn't really

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hear her say anything,

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which is, again, more of the same.

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I'm so tired of

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the dark side being so quiet

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and I'm just like, no, you need more

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talkers.

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>> Will: More talkers. Like Carrie m

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all showing up.

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I couldn't help but thinking of

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mean, it didn't do anything. It was just like, she's playing the same type of

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character and it's just

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know, go against type,

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or something. But

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the fights seem very

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still what we saw in

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Ahsoka when they had a lot of those dark scenes,

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where those lightsaber battles were underwhelming

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in many cases. and also we learned a

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runtime for these shows and it's eight

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episodes, 35

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minutes. So

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if you're going to do it that short because we've seen

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enough of the Star wars shows now to,

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yeah, they just make a movie

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at this point.

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>> Sarah : I think this show is going to get very similar

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criticism that Ahsoka got.

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>> Sarah : Especially now that I understand the

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runtimes are pretty much the same.

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>> Will: I think there's one, I think the

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showrunner said, she said maybe went 40,

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35, 40 minutes. But that's just

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short runtime like that. But when things really

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are just really getting going in a story,

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it faced the black and I'm just like, it just

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makes it really hard.

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When I saw the poster, I was super hyped

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because I was like, oh, something fresh, something

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new, post trailer. I'm kind of

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on the fence. just going to hold judgment

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and see where it goes,

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I'll judge it.

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you.

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>> Sarah : It's interesting, as we talk about

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a universe that seems to just be

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on a downward trend, and can't figure out a

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way to reinvent itself. We're going to switch over and

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talk about the spiderverse, which

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continues to expand, and

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viewers have yet to get tired of, well, it's been

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announced that the spiderverse animated short called

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the spider within. A spider within is set

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to debut on YouTube on March

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26. The short will focus on miles having a

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panic attack while dealing with pressures of being a

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teenager student and protecting the city. The

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short shares how Miles reaches out to get

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help for his mental health.

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>> Will: yeah, I saw this today.

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the spider within a spiderverse stories

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the title and it's a project that

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actually, the Kevin Love

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foundation, fund is partnering,

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with Sony to do this. And

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Kevin love, for folks who follow NBA

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basketball, are probably very familiar with

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this story. He's a phenomenal player,

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but he's also been very open about

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his mental health challenges. And he

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is, one of the backers of this

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project. and they're also even going to

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do a companion piece with it, to

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help, a curriculum

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that can be there for teenagers and other folks,

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that will give people opportunity to

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really open up,

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show coping mechanisms, apparently. I think they're going to do like a

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creative storyboard. So that's interactive, so you

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can use it. And one of the things Kevin love

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mentioned that, we'll see in the series

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is miles as he's dealing with this panic attack

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and opening up to his father

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and showing how whenever we do have our

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mental health challenges, on don't.

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Not to clam up and keep it all inside. So

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it sounds like it's going to be a mix of both entertainment, but

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also going to be helpful, which I think

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is great. So I can't wait to see this on YouTube next

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week.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I like how they're not

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just doing it to keep Spiderverse

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on everyone's mind, but there's a

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message beneath it. so

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I can really appreciate that. And it's a good use

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of platform and to provide

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content. So put that on

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your calendars, people. we

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will probably be talking about it in the

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future. all right, so

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let's just get invincible out of the way because will doesn't

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want to talk about it.

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>> Will: It's not that I don't want to talk about it. It's not that I don't want to talk

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about it. he doesn't want to continue talking

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about start.

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We're looking at three body problem as well coming

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up. Drops, tomorrow, right? Yeah, it's already here.

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>> Sarah : It's already on Netflix.

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>> Will: Okay. Yeah.

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so I was just trying to figure out which way to go, folks.

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>> Sarah : Right. So we did watch,

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invincible season two, episode five. This

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must come as a shock, which is the first episode

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to drop of the second half of the

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second season. so

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I watched this on Sunday,

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and I will be honest,

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I actually was pretty

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engaged, because they did a pretty

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good job of reminding me things that

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happened, during,

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the fourth episode, as well

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as starting

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to talk about, like, okay, well, where could

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these characters potentially go from there? I

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can appreciate that. Mark had to take home

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his baby,

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to. To then become a single father,

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basically,

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much to.

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So. But then it lost me

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during the third act

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fight sequences that were going

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on and anything to do with, I want to say, the guardian

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stuff. I have not followed that storyline

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at all, so I never have any investment in it.

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But overall, I was just like, okay,

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I'm here for it. We'll just

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wrap it up. But, during our preshow

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discussion, we'll raise some points and it does

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sound like next week we'll be starting

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three body, one problem, and we may or

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may not ever finish season two of,

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invincible.

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>> Will: think about this, folks, though, while we talk about

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episode five, though, because maybe

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I agree with you. I did

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like the return,

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of the show.

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Both the season premiere as well

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as the midseason

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return. Both had Mark

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jacked up, getting beat up

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from his father, and then

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again with the Viltrumites at the end of

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the, first half of the second season. But I like the

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way that they turned the narrative this

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time around instead of Mark

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being beat down

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and how he responded after

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what happened at the end of the season. Now,

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as you noted, he's on

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Thraxon and learning about

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his brother, half brother,

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also helping the society

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rebuild. He has a purpose to the point that he actually

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lost. It ended up being like two

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months that he was,

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think. I think Nolan, after

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being taken away, wanted

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Mark to read the books and stuff. I think

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Mark started to understand

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where Nolan

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was coming from and why

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he goes from planet to

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planet, like, basically siren

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kids.

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>> Sarah : M.

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>> Will: but, yeah, I thought it was a good. You're right.

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It was engaging the stuff, too, where we found out what

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was truly going on with Donald. I like that story

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because I know we were both wondering what was going on with him in the first half of

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the season.

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so those are all cool things I did like about

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it. the Guardian story. I was like, you as

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just. These characters just don't resonate with me at

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all. So I think that's where some of

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my reticence and

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where I feel like the show gets uneven at times

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is just like, if it just solely focused on Mark

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and his things that are going on there. It's a solid

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show, but the other things, and I know it's an

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just those parts just don't

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rock with.

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>> Sarah : It's never felt like an ensemble to me.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : If that was the intention, then they

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missed it because they really, from the first

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episode, made this about Mark and

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having, like, there's such

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a detachment between Mark

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and the Guardians that

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I don't feel like I'm watching a team show. So,

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granted, we have Adam Eve, who, because

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they did, those two

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episodes that were kind of part of the season,

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but not really. I understand

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her character a little bit more than I did during the first

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season, but they're not going to do that for every

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single character on the Guardians. And that's not

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really what you should have to

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do in order to understand characters. Part

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of the. I

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don't. I feel like they really need

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to figure out a way to make the

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Guardians more present in Mark's

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story for me to

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invest in them as.

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>> Sarah : To, go back

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to, What was his name? You said

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name. No, Tom.

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How much I pay attention to the show

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because I wanted to say my joke. They made him into

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Cliff from Doom Patrol. Done.

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Anyway, so that was about Donald, and

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we talked about Mark becoming a single father

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to his half alien.

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>> Sarah : There'S not really a

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lot that technically happened in

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this episode because it is

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the midseason return,

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and it's been so long since the fourth

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episode that they had

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to kind of explain,

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okay, so while Mark was here, he's

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going to come back to Earth and then

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basically see what went on with

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his mom while he was gone and what went on with his

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girlfriend,

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>> Will: Who.

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>> Sarah : I found to be really interesting because

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there's resentment that's building,

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and I'm waiting for that argument

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to happen and for that shoe to drop

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and for Mark to really

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start to understand Nolan's perspective

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as being not fully human.

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I don't think in the first season, that it's

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ever fully dawned on him what that

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means. and just because you have

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powers. Well, that's from

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a part of you that's from this

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other species,

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I think that they have a lot to explore.

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but at the same time, this release schedule has

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done no favors for this.

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>> Will: No, no, it didn't.

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I agree with you that in particular with Amber,

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because

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she's. She's got her story. I don't know

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her mark, talking about the books,

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what she did with them, but, Amber,

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yeah, you're. That. That

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resentment is building. I mean, she's being supportive,

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but they're starting to see some cracks in the

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foundation there, with their relationship as far as

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being supportive. And I think you hit the nail on the head as far

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as Mark, really now on the second season,

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is really starting to understand what his

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father went, and

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especially after he

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saw from the

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consequences of it, not necessarily

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with earth, but with another planet, with the Viltrumites and

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what could happen to Earth, if

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he

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doesn't follow in Nolan's footsteps, as far as trying to protect

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these societies

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from the Viltramites

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mission of conquering everything. So those

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were some really good moments. And then I did

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like how they tied the first season story,

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with Shapesmith and the whole Martian,

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astronauts.

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those are the things I think it also does well as far as building

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on previous episodes

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and reminds you of, like,

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there is an overall arc

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and things that happened in the

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previous seasons does have

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impact on subsequent seasons. I

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did like that aspect of the story, this week as,

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when. But again, when Mark and

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the Guardians do finally get together, it's just like

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you said, it doesn't seem organic. It just seems

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like very.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. To go back

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to, his mom, what I was

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saying was more. Or what I saw

535
00:26:23,934 --> 00:26:26,154
was more about how

536
00:26:30,444 --> 00:26:32,604
during the first half of this season,

537
00:26:33,664 --> 00:26:36,488
we saw a lot from her, about essentially

538
00:26:36,536 --> 00:26:39,388
the grieving process of her husband, of the life that

539
00:26:39,426 --> 00:26:42,108
she once had. And now

540
00:26:42,146 --> 00:26:45,036
she's gone through two months without her son, who technically

541
00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:48,096
is the only tie left that

542
00:26:48,150 --> 00:26:50,960
she has to Nolan. and so

543
00:26:50,982 --> 00:26:53,408
I wonder if that allowed her some

544
00:26:53,446 --> 00:26:56,308
peace just because you love your

545
00:26:56,346 --> 00:26:59,174
child, but he is still

546
00:26:59,864 --> 00:27:02,454
part of Nolan and still

547
00:27:02,904 --> 00:27:05,348
tied to them in that. So

548
00:27:05,546 --> 00:27:08,376
when. Just because Nolan left doesn't mean

549
00:27:08,430 --> 00:27:11,336
that you're not shackled in some

550
00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:14,034
sort of way, because you have a kid together. And

551
00:27:14,072 --> 00:27:16,180
now, on top of it,

552
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:18,866
she's presented with, oh,

553
00:27:19,048 --> 00:27:21,766
Nolan, when he went

554
00:27:21,788 --> 00:27:24,600
away, he went and he, got together

555
00:27:24,670 --> 00:27:27,320
with another woman and also

556
00:27:27,390 --> 00:27:30,120
reproduced. And so now you're also

557
00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:32,748
not only having to continue

558
00:27:32,834 --> 00:27:35,436
raising your own son, but also

559
00:27:35,618 --> 00:27:38,572
Nolan's half son. So I think

560
00:27:38,626 --> 00:27:41,612
that there is a very interesting angle to

561
00:27:41,666 --> 00:27:44,496
do with her character in

562
00:27:44,518 --> 00:27:47,296
terms of her trying to

563
00:27:47,318 --> 00:27:50,192
figure out what this means,

564
00:27:50,326 --> 00:27:53,162
especially as, she continues. I think she says something

565
00:27:53,264 --> 00:27:55,756
about this in the episode, like

566
00:27:56,526 --> 00:27:59,130
cleaning up Nolan's mess.

567
00:27:59,328 --> 00:28:01,546
Constantly. Constantly.

568
00:28:04,706 --> 00:28:07,136
I think they teased a lot of stuff,

569
00:28:07,716 --> 00:28:10,180
while at the same time, I'm like,

570
00:28:10,378 --> 00:28:11,126
no,

571
00:28:14,616 --> 00:28:16,006
don't do this to.

572
00:28:18,056 --> 00:28:20,872
>> Will: Tease. I'm glad you brought that up about, Mark's

573
00:28:20,904 --> 00:28:21,966
mother, because

574
00:28:23,776 --> 00:28:26,770
I just felt like they did tease was, as you

575
00:28:26,808 --> 00:28:29,506
rightly noted, it's the first episode back after a break,

576
00:28:29,576 --> 00:28:32,402
so you don't want to get too deep into it. But it

577
00:28:32,424 --> 00:28:34,856
did set up, sort of

578
00:28:36,746 --> 00:28:39,542
the thread. Know, now that you have

579
00:28:39,564 --> 00:28:42,470
Nolan's child from another mother under your

580
00:28:42,508 --> 00:28:45,478
roof and Mark's asking you to help take care of it and that kind of thing.

581
00:28:45,532 --> 00:28:48,502
It definitely does set up some interesting plot

582
00:28:48,534 --> 00:28:51,334
points that they can pursue. Hopefully, they'll

583
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:54,270
pursue them. Well, like they did with her when she

584
00:28:54,308 --> 00:28:56,958
was with the support group. I thought that

585
00:28:57,092 --> 00:28:59,762
was something that stood out for me in the first half of

586
00:28:59,784 --> 00:29:01,346
the second season.

587
00:29:02,326 --> 00:29:05,278
>> Sarah : Yep. All right, well, that is a wrap

588
00:29:05,342 --> 00:29:08,250
on our discussion of, invincible, season two,

589
00:29:08,288 --> 00:29:09,302
episode five.

590
00:29:09,424 --> 00:29:12,234
>> Will: Don't forget about Alan. Alan's

591
00:29:12,250 --> 00:29:14,496
back. I said, don't forget. Alan's back.

592
00:29:14,866 --> 00:29:17,694
>> Sarah : I didn't forget. I was just on to the

593
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:19,696
next show because it sounded like we were.

594
00:29:20,546 --> 00:29:21,616
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

595
00:29:24,826 --> 00:29:27,516
>> Sarah : all right, so that brings us to Shogun,

596
00:29:27,936 --> 00:29:30,796
episode five, broken to the fist.

597
00:29:31,376 --> 00:29:34,308
An IMDb summary says Blackthorn

598
00:29:34,392 --> 00:29:37,340
and Marico struggle to contain their secret

599
00:29:37,388 --> 00:29:40,092
that could get them both killed. Abu

600
00:29:40,124 --> 00:29:43,008
Shige searches for the spy who has

601
00:29:43,062 --> 00:29:45,776
betrayed his intentions to lord,

602
00:29:46,536 --> 00:29:46,818
Will.

603
00:29:46,872 --> 00:29:49,734
>> Will: What did you think about this, episode?

604
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:52,618
It's like, this

605
00:29:52,672 --> 00:29:55,630
was like. Well, I can't say every

606
00:29:55,668 --> 00:29:58,530
week this is my favorite, but this one really was really good this

607
00:29:58,568 --> 00:30:00,740
week. I, think it was just a

608
00:30:00,906 --> 00:30:03,906
very well rounded story. Tornaga

609
00:30:03,954 --> 00:30:06,326
shows back up to see the

610
00:30:06,364 --> 00:30:09,238
consequences of what his son had

611
00:30:09,260 --> 00:30:11,858
wrought with the

612
00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:14,496
canon attack. Blackthorn, the whole

613
00:30:14,534 --> 00:30:17,278
triangle. Blackthorn, Fuji, and

614
00:30:17,380 --> 00:30:20,218
Mariko. With the return

615
00:30:20,340 --> 00:30:23,250
of a certain person who you called it.

616
00:30:23,336 --> 00:30:24,372
You're right.

617
00:30:26,422 --> 00:30:28,400
Bentaro was, not dead.

618
00:30:28,496 --> 00:30:31,456
>> Sarah : I can. Yeah, no, he's

619
00:30:31,504 --> 00:30:34,104
not dead. And I did say it. And then you

620
00:30:34,158 --> 00:30:35,562
question. You made me.

621
00:30:38,492 --> 00:30:41,032
>> Will: Wrong. I was wrong. I will freely admit.

622
00:30:41,372 --> 00:30:44,246
I thought, that he

623
00:30:44,284 --> 00:30:46,864
was a goner. but they

624
00:30:46,998 --> 00:30:49,776
figured out he got some help from some

625
00:30:49,814 --> 00:30:51,282
Ronan, and he's back.

626
00:30:52,932 --> 00:30:55,472
>> Sarah : Don't appreciate that we didn't.

627
00:30:57,352 --> 00:30:59,956
I feel like they took the easy way out of

628
00:30:59,994 --> 00:31:01,782
explaining how he's back.

629
00:31:02,872 --> 00:31:05,316
And I think it was easier to do that in the

630
00:31:05,354 --> 00:31:07,572
book, but visually,

631
00:31:08,792 --> 00:31:11,494
from, a television perspective or even

632
00:31:11,628 --> 00:31:14,486
from a movie perspective, it seems a bit far

633
00:31:14,524 --> 00:31:15,302
fetched.

634
00:31:16,762 --> 00:31:19,112
>> Will: Yeah, well, I guess it was. It,

635
00:31:20,282 --> 00:31:22,542
however many Ronan that helped him out,

636
00:31:24,112 --> 00:31:26,848
but it took him 20 days to return, and only two of them

637
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:29,696
survived or whatever. I guess it was

638
00:31:29,734 --> 00:31:32,544
a tell not show kind of situation with

639
00:31:32,598 --> 00:31:33,820
how he got back.

640
00:31:34,006 --> 00:31:36,356
>> Sarah : It definitely was. It just

641
00:31:36,474 --> 00:31:38,182
bothered me because

642
00:31:42,632 --> 00:31:44,342
I guess there was nothing

643
00:31:44,792 --> 00:31:47,736
planted in that episode where he,

644
00:31:47,774 --> 00:31:50,424
quote unquote, dies, that would

645
00:31:50,478 --> 00:31:53,256
say, oh, he could survive because

646
00:31:53,294 --> 00:31:54,922
there are. Ronan over.

647
00:31:57,132 --> 00:32:00,008
>> Will: Yeah. And I haven't read the book, and I want to say I

648
00:32:00,030 --> 00:32:02,908
was listening one recap from somewhere. I don't know if it

649
00:32:02,930 --> 00:32:05,442
was, Rogan and, Steve Miller.

650
00:32:06,202 --> 00:32:08,966
or another one where I think they switched that from the

651
00:32:09,004 --> 00:32:11,612
book. where I think in the book, he actually

652
00:32:11,682 --> 00:32:14,456
did commit honorable suicide

653
00:32:14,504 --> 00:32:15,902
there after he

654
00:32:18,032 --> 00:32:20,998
fall, off the invade. Well, actually, he fought him

655
00:32:21,020 --> 00:32:23,858
off, and then before he could get captured, he killed

656
00:32:23,890 --> 00:32:26,768
himself. so I think this may have been a change. So if

657
00:32:26,790 --> 00:32:29,376
any folks out there who've read the book can

658
00:32:29,494 --> 00:32:32,222
correct, please, please do so, because

659
00:32:32,592 --> 00:32:33,596
I haven't read it.

660
00:32:33,634 --> 00:32:36,416
>> Sarah : It is because in a recap that I was

661
00:32:36,454 --> 00:32:39,020
listening to who? I was listening to Roka's

662
00:32:39,036 --> 00:32:41,936
recap, and his panelist is a book

663
00:32:41,974 --> 00:32:44,544
reader, and the way he talked about

664
00:32:44,598 --> 00:32:47,268
Bentoro and the events of this episode with

665
00:32:47,290 --> 00:32:49,060
Marico, those still happen.

666
00:32:49,226 --> 00:32:49,942
>> Will: Okay.

667
00:32:50,712 --> 00:32:53,476
>> Sarah : I don't think it was a change from the book. I think

668
00:32:53,514 --> 00:32:55,968
that it got confused

669
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,548
because people were starting.

670
00:32:58,730 --> 00:33:00,992
Were talking about cultural

671
00:33:01,072 --> 00:33:03,844
implications of what could

672
00:33:03,898 --> 00:33:04,612
potentially,

673
00:33:07,402 --> 00:33:10,330
while. And I think a lot of the book readers are doing a

674
00:33:10,336 --> 00:33:13,146
good job while also holding back and

675
00:33:13,184 --> 00:33:15,966
letting people who have not read the books be

676
00:33:16,004 --> 00:33:18,026
surprised by the events of the series.

677
00:33:18,154 --> 00:33:18,832
>> Will: Yeah.

678
00:33:18,922 --> 00:33:21,766
>> Sarah : but let's just be like. Will was surprised. I was

679
00:33:21,804 --> 00:33:23,522
not surprised because you weren't.

680
00:33:23,602 --> 00:33:26,498
>> Will: No. I was

681
00:33:26,540 --> 00:33:29,354
sitting in the airport when I was watching

682
00:33:29,408 --> 00:33:32,266
the episode, and then when it popped up and he was back, I was

683
00:33:32,304 --> 00:33:35,126
like, all right, I made a note

684
00:33:35,174 --> 00:33:37,422
to give you your

685
00:33:37,492 --> 00:33:40,140
props. you got that one.

686
00:33:40,226 --> 00:33:42,926
And, I was wrong. The

687
00:33:42,964 --> 00:33:45,694
thing, too. Whenever he did return, it just

688
00:33:45,748 --> 00:33:48,742
really, Mariko's face,

689
00:33:49,732 --> 00:33:51,762
whenever she

690
00:33:52,532 --> 00:33:55,442
found out, and he's standing there,

691
00:33:55,892 --> 00:33:58,876
and hats off to Anna

692
00:33:58,924 --> 00:34:01,702
Sawai, who's, like, playing her, because

693
00:34:02,152 --> 00:34:04,884
the face acting in that moment was

694
00:34:04,938 --> 00:34:07,136
just on top. I mean, all the various

695
00:34:07,184 --> 00:34:09,700
emotions that I'm sure

696
00:34:09,866 --> 00:34:12,336
Marco was feeling just on full display

697
00:34:12,384 --> 00:34:15,192
there know, especially given that

698
00:34:15,262 --> 00:34:18,008
where the showrunner on the official podcast of the

699
00:34:18,030 --> 00:34:20,122
show did, confirm that,

700
00:34:20,602 --> 00:34:23,512
Blackthorn and Marco did sleep together.

701
00:34:24,202 --> 00:34:27,158
So you got this, and now he's back and all the

702
00:34:27,180 --> 00:34:30,170
things. Of course, then we learned that he's an abusive. We knew he was an

703
00:34:30,176 --> 00:34:32,986
abusive spouse, but then we saw it play out in this

704
00:34:33,024 --> 00:34:35,452
episode very deeply,

705
00:34:35,964 --> 00:34:38,906
and troubling. So, yeah,

706
00:34:38,944 --> 00:34:41,894
hats off to her as far as the way she conveyed

707
00:34:42,038 --> 00:34:43,932
what the character was feeling at that moment.

708
00:34:45,262 --> 00:34:48,090
>> Sarah : So what do you make of

709
00:34:48,176 --> 00:34:50,702
the fact that we're given

710
00:34:50,772 --> 00:34:53,166
Marico's backstory in this

711
00:34:53,204 --> 00:34:56,026
episode, which has been hinted

712
00:34:56,074 --> 00:34:58,510
at in the first episodes and

713
00:34:58,596 --> 00:35:01,374
alluded to, and the shame that came

714
00:35:01,428 --> 00:35:03,822
to her family was because her father

715
00:35:03,902 --> 00:35:06,858
killed the, emperor that

716
00:35:06,976 --> 00:35:08,154
preceded,

717
00:35:09,584 --> 00:35:10,604
Teiko

718
00:35:13,204 --> 00:35:15,074
and assassinated him,

719
00:35:15,844 --> 00:35:18,754
not because he wanted the power, but because

720
00:35:19,604 --> 00:35:22,368
he knew that that ruler at the time was very

721
00:35:22,406 --> 00:35:25,064
corrupt. so

722
00:35:25,454 --> 00:35:27,850
then, because of

723
00:35:27,952 --> 00:35:30,682
rituals, honor and respect and everything,

724
00:35:30,848 --> 00:35:33,418
everyone immediately went after her

725
00:35:33,456 --> 00:35:36,316
family to kill them. her

726
00:35:36,370 --> 00:35:38,704
father ended up committing suicide.

727
00:35:41,524 --> 00:35:44,288
And this is where I'm like, can we get a little bit

728
00:35:44,326 --> 00:35:47,056
more context? Because she just

729
00:35:47,110 --> 00:35:49,904
so happens to end up marrying

730
00:35:50,264 --> 00:35:53,174
Buntaro before.

731
00:35:55,944 --> 00:35:58,244
I just want to understand the timeline

732
00:35:59,304 --> 00:36:02,276
because the way it keeps being explained, it

733
00:36:02,330 --> 00:36:05,192
sounds like he married her

734
00:36:05,278 --> 00:36:07,514
after the shame had happened.

735
00:36:08,434 --> 00:36:11,406
but that doesn't make sense to me of how

736
00:36:11,460 --> 00:36:14,362
she would be able to marry him after

737
00:36:14,468 --> 00:36:17,378
that all played out. So she ends up

738
00:36:17,416 --> 00:36:19,364
marrying him and,

739
00:36:20,044 --> 00:36:22,844
therefore gets protection, essentially.

740
00:36:23,004 --> 00:36:25,840
And she wants to kill herself to

741
00:36:25,862 --> 00:36:28,054
die with her family. And,

742
00:36:29,454 --> 00:36:32,390
every year on the anniversary of, her

743
00:36:32,428 --> 00:36:35,288
father's death, asks to

744
00:36:35,342 --> 00:36:37,988
commit suicide, and he orders her

745
00:36:38,062 --> 00:36:39,006
to live.

746
00:36:40,256 --> 00:36:43,132
Considering the abuse we saw

747
00:36:43,234 --> 00:36:45,564
displayed for. Mm, what do you make

748
00:36:45,650 --> 00:36:48,366
of him always

749
00:36:50,516 --> 00:36:52,396
making, her live?

750
00:36:54,016 --> 00:36:56,812
>> Will: so that's a lot to unpack there. so as

751
00:36:56,834 --> 00:36:59,692
far as the shame that

752
00:36:59,794 --> 00:37:01,326
befell her house,

753
00:37:03,716 --> 00:37:06,512
the only thing I could figure, just looking at

754
00:37:06,534 --> 00:37:09,424
the whole learning, picking up the

755
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:11,746
cues better than Blackthorne has,

756
00:37:12,276 --> 00:37:15,184
is she's christian. So I'm

757
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,892
trying to figure out if that plays into the

758
00:37:17,914 --> 00:37:20,868
protection as far as if

759
00:37:20,922 --> 00:37:23,332
that. No, yeah, no, I was

760
00:37:23,354 --> 00:37:23,926
just

761
00:37:27,596 --> 00:37:30,132
trying to answer your thinking out loud, I will freely

762
00:37:30,164 --> 00:37:31,966
admit. Okay. yeah,

763
00:37:33,256 --> 00:37:34,726
we don't have to.

764
00:37:35,816 --> 00:37:38,580
>> Sarah : If nothing comes, man, I'm not even talking about

765
00:37:38,618 --> 00:37:41,080
her. I understand. Based on

766
00:37:41,118 --> 00:37:43,672
everything we've learned so far about the

767
00:37:43,694 --> 00:37:46,648
culture at the time, of why she

768
00:37:46,702 --> 00:37:49,560
would want to die with them, that makes sense

769
00:37:49,598 --> 00:37:52,236
to me. I think she became christian after

770
00:37:52,386 --> 00:37:53,406
that happened.

771
00:37:55,646 --> 00:37:57,866
but still, that's her family,

772
00:37:58,016 --> 00:37:58,716
and

773
00:38:02,206 --> 00:38:05,150
those are the rules she first learned about. The way

774
00:38:05,188 --> 00:38:08,062
the world works. So just because she takes up

775
00:38:08,084 --> 00:38:09,806
Christianity, it's not going to

776
00:38:09,956 --> 00:38:12,798
circumvent it. I mean, she's still

777
00:38:12,852 --> 00:38:14,286
asked to die.

778
00:38:15,096 --> 00:38:17,972
but where I'm still trying to

779
00:38:17,994 --> 00:38:20,484
figure out motives and

780
00:38:20,650 --> 00:38:23,268
choices is with Pintaro and

781
00:38:23,322 --> 00:38:26,100
him. Even though he's abusive and

782
00:38:26,138 --> 00:38:28,920
dismissive of marico, they share

783
00:38:28,958 --> 00:38:31,802
the look, when

784
00:38:31,824 --> 00:38:33,626
we think he's going to die,

785
00:38:34,286 --> 00:38:36,506
and a look of respect

786
00:38:37,566 --> 00:38:40,256
and knowing that he

787
00:38:40,626 --> 00:38:42,496
orders her to live

788
00:38:43,266 --> 00:38:44,576
by all else.

789
00:38:46,466 --> 00:38:47,536
It's interesting.

790
00:38:49,106 --> 00:38:50,176
>> Will: I do remember,

791
00:38:52,086 --> 00:38:55,074
yeah. What you said earlier, as far as the

792
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,666
timeline, she had married him before

793
00:38:57,816 --> 00:38:59,650
the events happened.

794
00:38:59,848 --> 00:39:02,658
>> Sarah : Okay. It had

795
00:39:02,712 --> 00:39:05,596
to have been because, that

796
00:39:05,666 --> 00:39:08,140
family wouldn't have allowed that marriage to

797
00:39:08,178 --> 00:39:10,328
happen had this murder occurred.

798
00:39:10,392 --> 00:39:13,320
>> Will: Exactly. That's why on the anniversary

799
00:39:13,368 --> 00:39:15,196
of her death, whenever

800
00:39:19,716 --> 00:39:22,640
she wants to correct the injustice by, you know, joining the rest of

801
00:39:22,678 --> 00:39:25,520
the family. Yeah, that makes. That's that. Yeah. So

802
00:39:25,558 --> 00:39:28,140
that's why it makes sense. Because he doesn't.

803
00:39:28,188 --> 00:39:31,126
Because she's his property and

804
00:39:31,496 --> 00:39:32,246
one,

805
00:39:36,276 --> 00:39:39,072
Okay, it gets into the whole thing of the

806
00:39:39,094 --> 00:39:41,892
whole family honor and stuff. I mean, the honorable thing to do would be to

807
00:39:41,914 --> 00:39:44,848
die. But no, he's going to make her relive this dishonor

808
00:39:44,912 --> 00:39:47,600
every single year, whenever

809
00:39:47,728 --> 00:39:50,672
they have the anniversary of the tragedy.

810
00:39:50,784 --> 00:39:53,568
So that's his way of just, like, poking

811
00:39:53,632 --> 00:39:55,466
her each time, like, no,

812
00:39:56,636 --> 00:39:59,320
we're going to make you relive this dishonor every single year

813
00:39:59,438 --> 00:40:01,096
on the anniversary of it.

814
00:40:01,246 --> 00:40:01,946
>> Sarah : Interesting.

815
00:40:02,316 --> 00:40:04,760
>> Will: Yeah. And it goes into that control and that

816
00:40:04,798 --> 00:40:07,432
abusive. Not only the cultural

817
00:40:07,464 --> 00:40:09,996
dynamics that were going on, but also just his

818
00:40:10,146 --> 00:40:12,700
clear abusive and

819
00:40:12,738 --> 00:40:15,406
dishonor and disrespect that he has towards her.

820
00:40:16,336 --> 00:40:19,292
>> Sarah : Well, I

821
00:40:19,314 --> 00:40:20,126
don't know.

822
00:40:23,476 --> 00:40:26,364
I'm not saying that there's love there. It's

823
00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:28,146
an act of love or anything,

824
00:40:28,836 --> 00:40:31,504
but I think it's a bit more complex

825
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,512
because from what I can tell, he's

826
00:40:34,544 --> 00:40:37,460
all about honor and respect, so

827
00:40:37,498 --> 00:40:38,966
why would he want to.

828
00:40:40,376 --> 00:40:42,596
Her shame is also his shame.

829
00:40:43,176 --> 00:40:45,444
>> Will: Well, but also. But she has value to

830
00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:46,896
Toronaga.

831
00:40:47,056 --> 00:40:48,996
>> Sarah : Yeah, but that's just recently.

832
00:40:50,636 --> 00:40:52,120
She's been married for years.

833
00:40:52,238 --> 00:40:55,176
>> Will: She's been married for years, but she's been trained to speak

834
00:40:55,246 --> 00:40:58,092
as an interpreter since she was a child. Because, remember the

835
00:40:58,114 --> 00:41:00,926
monk, the Portuguese,

836
00:41:00,876 --> 00:41:03,216
priest taught?

837
00:41:05,936 --> 00:41:08,272
>> Will: I mean, so she has some value

838
00:41:08,454 --> 00:41:09,826
beyond just

839
00:41:12,676 --> 00:41:15,664
tornaga and why she continues to help Toranaga, to

840
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:18,226
show her usefulness to him, even though

841
00:41:19,336 --> 00:41:21,140
dishonor is still there.

842
00:41:21,338 --> 00:41:24,100
>> Sarah : Yeah, I feel like if we continue talking

843
00:41:24,138 --> 00:41:26,452
about this, it'll just continue going in

844
00:41:26,474 --> 00:41:27,316
circles.

845
00:41:30,696 --> 00:41:33,046
>> Will: But we did finally learn as you

846
00:41:33,736 --> 00:41:36,680
know, it's been hinted on. And so we finally did learn a full story

847
00:41:36,718 --> 00:41:39,706
about what happened there. Which also makes

848
00:41:40,316 --> 00:41:43,066
with speaking of honor and stuff,

849
00:41:43,516 --> 00:41:46,492
with, Fiji and her family and learning of her

850
00:41:46,530 --> 00:41:49,404
father's dishonor, too, with the swords, with

851
00:41:49,426 --> 00:41:50,748
his coward's death.

852
00:41:54,998 --> 00:41:57,830
and especially when we see a similar

853
00:41:57,884 --> 00:42:00,566
parallel thing whenever her husband stepped out of

854
00:42:00,572 --> 00:42:03,522
line and committed ritual suicide,

855
00:42:03,570 --> 00:42:06,502
as well as taking their son. But

856
00:42:06,540 --> 00:42:09,106
then she now has to become the consort and

857
00:42:09,132 --> 00:42:11,802
barbarian. But she continues to show her

858
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,538
worth to the community and helping,

859
00:42:15,568 --> 00:42:17,964
blackthorn by being his

860
00:42:17,986 --> 00:42:20,844
consort and trying to help him

861
00:42:20,866 --> 00:42:23,576
learn at cultural ways and stuff, even though he still can't get him,

862
00:42:23,682 --> 00:42:25,218
still can't quite get it.

863
00:42:27,188 --> 00:42:29,872
>> Sarah : I don't feel like it's a value to the

864
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:32,288
community. She's just becoming her own

865
00:42:32,358 --> 00:42:35,344
because she, finds

866
00:42:35,376 --> 00:42:38,164
herself in this position tied to

867
00:42:38,186 --> 00:42:41,058
someone who doesn't want to pillow her, who,

868
00:42:41,008 --> 00:42:43,978
respects her, who gave her a gun and

869
00:42:44,016 --> 00:42:45,484
who she. Now,

870
00:42:49,234 --> 00:42:52,206
I feel like she loves this new

871
00:42:52,260 --> 00:42:55,230
life that she's walked into and

872
00:42:55,252 --> 00:42:56,864
she wants to protect it.

873
00:43:00,314 --> 00:43:02,758
she knows what the community thinks of

874
00:43:02,796 --> 00:43:05,464
him and of her as being.

875
00:43:06,714 --> 00:43:09,702
But we find in this episode that she's really

876
00:43:09,868 --> 00:43:12,684
owning her place and the place that

877
00:43:13,454 --> 00:43:16,362
just so happens, like, Blackthorne has a lot

878
00:43:16,368 --> 00:43:19,126
of trust in her. and so she's

879
00:43:19,158 --> 00:43:21,130
starting to become one of my favorite.

880
00:43:26,670 --> 00:43:29,646
>> Will: And to your point about, she really likes the

881
00:43:29,668 --> 00:43:30,960
station now, because

882
00:43:32,370 --> 00:43:35,212
whenever, buntaro was, kept calling

883
00:43:35,266 --> 00:43:38,028
her a consort to a barbarian, she's like, no, I'm a

884
00:43:38,034 --> 00:43:39,070
consort to a.

885
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,036
Yeah, and that moment at the end of the episode, too, I

886
00:43:45,058 --> 00:43:47,792
think, it's helping black Thorn

887
00:43:47,856 --> 00:43:49,910
whenever she and Blackthorn shared that

888
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,864
and her role as far as

889
00:43:53,982 --> 00:43:56,888
being the consort to Hanamoto and doing all

890
00:43:56,894 --> 00:43:59,612
the things that she's been doing, even to the place

891
00:43:59,666 --> 00:44:02,648
of concealing the affair, because she's

892
00:44:02,664 --> 00:44:05,596
no dummy. She figured out what was going on whenever they

893
00:44:05,618 --> 00:44:08,124
had that conversation into that last

894
00:44:08,162 --> 00:44:08,940
episode.

895
00:44:10,270 --> 00:44:13,138
>> Sarah : well, I don't know, time wise,

896
00:44:13,334 --> 00:44:16,254
how long. And also the way her

897
00:44:16,292 --> 00:44:19,166
and talk, I feel like Marico would have

898
00:44:19,188 --> 00:44:21,710
came clean to her and trusted her with that

899
00:44:21,780 --> 00:44:24,434
information. but, yeah, I

900
00:44:24,472 --> 00:44:27,412
appreciated, that line from,

901
00:44:27,546 --> 00:44:30,324
like, the fugee, who we

902
00:44:30,362 --> 00:44:33,184
met in the first episode. Would have never had the guts

903
00:44:33,232 --> 00:44:34,928
to say that to Venturo.

904
00:44:35,104 --> 00:44:35,830
>> Will: Right.

905
00:44:37,020 --> 00:44:39,940
>> Sarah : But now, since being around Marico

906
00:44:40,020 --> 00:44:42,460
and, Blackthorn, she

907
00:44:44,430 --> 00:44:47,338
just. It's really interesting to see.

908
00:44:47,504 --> 00:44:50,446
And at the same time, there was conflict between her

909
00:44:50,468 --> 00:44:53,150
and blackthorn in this episode because of the pheasant,

910
00:44:53,330 --> 00:44:54,030
where

911
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,884
he picks up a few words and he just so

912
00:44:59,922 --> 00:45:02,768
happens to be able to tell them

913
00:45:02,854 --> 00:45:05,612
that they may not take this dead pheasant

914
00:45:05,676 --> 00:45:08,610
down. it will rot. but

915
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,140
in time, it will be cooked and everything,

916
00:45:12,170 --> 00:45:15,132
and, everyone's forbidden to touch it. Now, my

917
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:17,852
first thought was ventorial was going to take that

918
00:45:17,890 --> 00:45:18,478
down.

919
00:45:21,098 --> 00:45:23,724
but it wasn't. the community, the

920
00:45:23,746 --> 00:45:26,684
village got together and was like, this pheasant has to

921
00:45:26,706 --> 00:45:27,278
go.

922
00:45:29,888 --> 00:45:32,332
and it was the gardener who we see throughout this

923
00:45:32,370 --> 00:45:35,050
episode, who has become, good

924
00:45:35,124 --> 00:45:37,668
friends with blackthorn. And

925
00:45:38,278 --> 00:45:41,250
he ends up in his old age saying,

926
00:45:41,304 --> 00:45:43,874
I'm willing to do it, and he takes it

927
00:45:43,896 --> 00:45:46,680
down. and then

928
00:45:46,734 --> 00:45:49,292
because of what Blackthorn says,

929
00:45:49,410 --> 00:45:52,028
fuji ends up killing the gardener.

930
00:45:52,368 --> 00:45:54,792
And Blackthorn doesn't

931
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,452
understand m it at

932
00:45:57,490 --> 00:46:00,410
all. and I feel

933
00:46:00,464 --> 00:46:02,428
like between

934
00:46:03,998 --> 00:46:06,698
this story arc, between the arc with

935
00:46:06,768 --> 00:46:09,708
Marico and Bentoro, and

936
00:46:10,398 --> 00:46:11,898
even confronting,

937
00:46:12,478 --> 00:46:15,290
taranaga at the end and then

938
00:46:15,344 --> 00:46:16,618
having the earthquake,

939
00:46:17,918 --> 00:46:19,628
Blackthorn is really

940
00:46:20,558 --> 00:46:23,306
all of the stability he thought.

941
00:46:23,392 --> 00:46:26,190
What he had here in the last

942
00:46:26,244 --> 00:46:29,008
episode just continues to be

943
00:46:29,378 --> 00:46:32,078
rotated and shaken.

944
00:46:36,438 --> 00:46:37,698
His comfort,

945
00:46:39,288 --> 00:46:41,764
he just finds himself, no,

946
00:46:41,946 --> 00:46:44,548
don't get cozy. You're still the outsider.

947
00:46:46,328 --> 00:46:49,288
You've been around us for a little bit of time.

948
00:46:49,358 --> 00:46:51,498
That doesn't mean you are one of us.

949
00:46:52,668 --> 00:46:55,018
You have so much more to learn.

950
00:46:57,548 --> 00:46:59,978
This is still not where you're from.

951
00:47:00,348 --> 00:47:03,208
You don't understand our rituals

952
00:47:03,288 --> 00:47:05,298
and, our behavior.

953
00:47:09,198 --> 00:47:11,958
>> Will: You'Re right. He's almost

954
00:47:12,048 --> 00:47:14,958
invited to the cookout, but not fully invited to the cookout.

955
00:47:17,618 --> 00:47:20,326
But, yeah, the whole dynamic

956
00:47:20,374 --> 00:47:22,272
there, with blackthorn,

957
00:47:24,262 --> 00:47:26,994
again, picking up a few things, but

958
00:47:27,048 --> 00:47:29,890
still with the broken jap, with his broken Japanese,

959
00:47:29,986 --> 00:47:32,262
like touch die.

960
00:47:33,482 --> 00:47:36,298
As soon as that happened, I was just like, I was worried who was going

961
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,082
to be the person

962
00:47:39,152 --> 00:47:41,442
who would end up,

963
00:47:42,702 --> 00:47:45,658
losing their life over that. Because I was like, this is

964
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,032
not going to end well. with the pheasant,

965
00:47:52,392 --> 00:47:55,108
as you rightly said it, being the gardener, being the

966
00:47:55,130 --> 00:47:57,938
one, that ends up losing his

967
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,630
life over. It really does drive home the

968
00:48:00,636 --> 00:48:03,512
point of what you just said about him.

969
00:48:04,122 --> 00:48:06,786
Don't get too comfortable. even though this,

970
00:48:06,984 --> 00:48:09,902
but also I think it also is helping Blackthorn

971
00:48:09,982 --> 00:48:11,592
come to realize that

972
00:48:12,922 --> 00:48:15,698
this place is slowly becoming

973
00:48:15,730 --> 00:48:18,598
my home too. And I've got to learn how to live in

974
00:48:18,620 --> 00:48:19,592
my new home.

975
00:48:21,752 --> 00:48:24,696
especially as what we saw. I think he

976
00:48:24,734 --> 00:48:27,656
realizes that whenever we get to the end of the episode, after

977
00:48:27,694 --> 00:48:30,628
he saves tornaga with whenever

978
00:48:30,660 --> 00:48:31,482
they have the,

979
00:48:35,642 --> 00:48:36,842
irony, of taking

980
00:48:38,352 --> 00:48:41,196
Fuji's father's swords even

981
00:48:41,234 --> 00:48:43,804
though he was a coward, but doing that act

982
00:48:43,858 --> 00:48:46,428
because understanding the value of those

983
00:48:46,450 --> 00:48:48,622
samurai swords and handing them over,

984
00:48:49,442 --> 00:48:52,014
to Toranaga and Toronaga, recognizing

985
00:48:52,078 --> 00:48:55,036
that, what Blackthorn was doing there. So

986
00:48:55,074 --> 00:48:57,468
I think that really illustrates that point as far as,

987
00:48:57,490 --> 00:49:00,242
like, he's getting there. He's getting there.

988
00:49:00,852 --> 00:49:03,664
>> Sarah : Yeah, definitely. What did you think about

989
00:49:03,718 --> 00:49:05,522
Lord Toranaga in this?

990
00:49:07,092 --> 00:49:09,376
>> Will: Like, as you said last week, he is so

991
00:49:09,414 --> 00:49:12,244
missed. And

992
00:49:12,298 --> 00:49:14,772
his presence does just elevate these

993
00:49:14,842 --> 00:49:17,588
episodes so much

994
00:49:17,690 --> 00:49:19,012
from the very beginning.

995
00:49:21,162 --> 00:49:23,978
when he's dressing down his

996
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,922
son over the actions

997
00:49:27,582 --> 00:49:29,242
that he had undertaken,

998
00:49:31,982 --> 00:49:34,572
and also the interplay that he had with,

999
00:49:39,592 --> 00:49:42,576
again, knowing

1000
00:49:42,704 --> 00:49:45,028
he's playing both sides, and

1001
00:49:45,130 --> 00:49:47,162
Yabashige trying to

1002
00:49:50,332 --> 00:49:53,124
questions him about that, it was his nephew

1003
00:49:53,188 --> 00:49:55,162
who convinced his son,

1004
00:49:56,902 --> 00:49:59,452
to take that action and stuff.

1005
00:50:00,032 --> 00:50:02,862
and just sort of the whole dynamics that played out there

1006
00:50:03,172 --> 00:50:05,968
just, again, this shows that he's on

1007
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:08,802
one level and everybody else is just, like, trying to.

1008
00:50:09,332 --> 00:50:11,382
Just trying to keep up with him.

1009
00:50:16,642 --> 00:50:19,598
>> Sarah : so last week I threw out

1010
00:50:19,620 --> 00:50:22,560
there that I think that, ami is

1011
00:50:22,646 --> 00:50:25,204
the spy. And then you

1012
00:50:25,258 --> 00:50:27,760
mentioned, no, there's a villager

1013
00:50:27,936 --> 00:50:30,708
who you think. So the villager at the

1014
00:50:30,730 --> 00:50:32,742
end, was that who you think it?

1015
00:50:33,832 --> 00:50:36,676
>> Will: Yeah. So I was one for one. I was wrong about

1016
00:50:36,794 --> 00:50:38,916
mataro, but I was right about the spy.

1017
00:50:39,044 --> 00:50:42,042
>> Sarah : Yeah. That's what I kept thinking about. Like, at the end,

1018
00:50:43,772 --> 00:50:46,756
when it's confirmed that that villager.

1019
00:50:46,804 --> 00:50:49,804
I'm like, wait a second. Is that the person that will

1020
00:50:49,858 --> 00:50:52,296
was mentioning? Oh, now we're

1021
00:50:52,344 --> 00:50:54,974
even, on the prediction.

1022
00:50:55,038 --> 00:50:57,586
Granted, there's just

1023
00:50:57,624 --> 00:50:59,252
something about,

1024
00:51:00,572 --> 00:51:03,456
where I don't think it's one spy. I

1025
00:51:03,494 --> 00:51:06,206
really don't. But for all I know, it

1026
00:51:06,244 --> 00:51:09,198
was. It's just a through line to kind

1027
00:51:09,220 --> 00:51:11,954
of drive in this whole dynamic of

1028
00:51:12,088 --> 00:51:14,852
omni who wants to take over

1029
00:51:15,382 --> 00:51:18,162
his uncle's position. His uncle

1030
00:51:18,502 --> 00:51:21,142
playing both sides of this,

1031
00:51:21,642 --> 00:51:24,150
war between Taranaga

1032
00:51:24,246 --> 00:51:26,922
and Ishido, and then

1033
00:51:26,992 --> 00:51:29,958
Toranaga also knowing

1034
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:33,066
that he has

1035
00:51:33,104 --> 00:51:35,950
this ally who can't be trusted, but

1036
00:51:36,036 --> 00:51:38,926
can still be manipulated, and that's the only reason why

1037
00:51:38,964 --> 00:51:41,870
he's still alive. That's why

1038
00:51:41,956 --> 00:51:44,718
I find his character to be so interesting, is

1039
00:51:44,740 --> 00:51:45,632
just because.

1040
00:51:49,052 --> 00:51:51,642
>> Sarah : Everyone knows who he is.

1041
00:51:53,292 --> 00:51:55,642
He's not a trustworthy person,

1042
00:51:56,332 --> 00:51:58,964
which makes him honestly a trustworthy

1043
00:51:59,028 --> 00:52:01,832
person when you're playing a political game, because

1044
00:52:01,902 --> 00:52:04,812
you're like, at least it's very clear to me

1045
00:52:04,882 --> 00:52:07,644
that I can't trust you, but I also

1046
00:52:07,698 --> 00:52:10,588
know what you want. So in a way, I can. Because

1047
00:52:10,610 --> 00:52:13,552
it's the people who I don't know what they want.

1048
00:52:13,622 --> 00:52:16,448
I can't trust or who I know want the

1049
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:18,162
same thing that I do, which,

1050
00:52:19,322 --> 00:52:21,462
that's Lord Ishibo.

1051
00:52:23,082 --> 00:52:25,912
I love it. And I still.

1052
00:52:27,562 --> 00:52:30,058
It might take me to the very end of the season to

1053
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,906
just continue to say, please go back

1054
00:52:32,944 --> 00:52:35,814
and watch the first episode. This character

1055
00:52:35,878 --> 00:52:38,686
was not dumb in that first episode. So

1056
00:52:38,724 --> 00:52:41,598
what the fuck happened? Because as much as

1057
00:52:41,620 --> 00:52:44,618
I love him, I feel like we're

1058
00:52:44,650 --> 00:52:47,454
getting a different character. And that

1059
00:52:47,508 --> 00:52:50,266
inconsistency is kind of driving me a bit

1060
00:52:50,324 --> 00:52:53,246
crazy, just because we're

1061
00:52:53,294 --> 00:52:56,208
really supposed to, see his nephew as

1062
00:52:56,246 --> 00:52:57,794
being this bright person,

1063
00:52:58,804 --> 00:53:01,568
because he managed to even

1064
00:53:01,766 --> 00:53:04,620
surprise Taranaga and be like, oh, well, he

1065
00:53:04,662 --> 00:53:07,328
played my son. So now I'm going to give him the canon

1066
00:53:07,376 --> 00:53:10,148
regimen and reward him,

1067
00:53:10,186 --> 00:53:13,060
because that's someone who I want as an ally, who's, like a

1068
00:53:13,082 --> 00:53:15,828
trickster. But the nephew did not

1069
00:53:15,866 --> 00:53:18,784
understand what was going on in the first episode. Okay,

1070
00:53:18,954 --> 00:53:21,368
I just can't get over that

1071
00:53:21,566 --> 00:53:24,474
again. It'll probably take me until the very

1072
00:53:25,884 --> 00:53:26,392
right.

1073
00:53:26,478 --> 00:53:27,434
>> Will: You're right on.

1074
00:53:28,844 --> 00:53:31,160
Toronago is like when

1075
00:53:31,182 --> 00:53:33,820
Yabashige was. We'll. I'll discipline him

1076
00:53:33,842 --> 00:53:36,748
for manipulating your son.

1077
00:53:36,866 --> 00:53:39,564
Toranaga is like, no, don't.

1078
00:53:40,644 --> 00:53:42,754
He has given me.

1079
00:53:44,884 --> 00:53:47,696
So when, like, wants to start

1080
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:50,476
war, he's thinking tactically,

1081
00:53:50,540 --> 00:53:53,470
because if we go to Osaka, which, I know we got. Do

1082
00:53:53,476 --> 00:53:55,812
you want us to talk about that and what's going on there?

1083
00:53:56,902 --> 00:53:59,858
They'll take us out, but we're going to make them

1084
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,738
come to us because. And we

1085
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,736
got the, tactical advantage now with these cannons and other things. So

1086
00:54:05,758 --> 00:54:07,210
I thought that was, again,

1087
00:54:08,940 --> 00:54:11,608
everybody else is just doddling around,

1088
00:54:11,774 --> 00:54:14,536
trying to get their little fiefdom, and he's just

1089
00:54:14,558 --> 00:54:17,000
like, I'm going to get the whole empire.

1090
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,716
>> Sarah : But he's been that way. Lord Tarnaga has been

1091
00:54:20,738 --> 00:54:21,950
that way since day.

1092
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:27,468
They. They continue

1093
00:54:27,554 --> 00:54:30,496
to back up what other characters have said about

1094
00:54:30,518 --> 00:54:33,428
him being trickster, and, he continues to

1095
00:54:33,434 --> 00:54:36,084
do that. He has a whole

1096
00:54:36,122 --> 00:54:37,700
speech about ravens,

1097
00:54:39,130 --> 00:54:41,946
and hawks and everything, and

1098
00:54:41,968 --> 00:54:44,806
prey and predators, and it's

1099
00:54:44,838 --> 00:54:45,740
really interesting.

1100
00:54:47,970 --> 00:54:50,720
>> Sarah : He'S definitely needed just because

1101
00:54:51,250 --> 00:54:54,026
everybody else is still figuring out what they're

1102
00:54:54,058 --> 00:54:56,994
doing. They have

1103
00:54:57,032 --> 00:54:59,710
their eye on a prize, but they don't

1104
00:54:59,790 --> 00:55:02,354
really understand what you have to do to get

1105
00:55:02,392 --> 00:55:05,392
there. while Taranaga has not only already

1106
00:55:05,446 --> 00:55:08,390
secured that, but moved on to a different game,

1107
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,138
which brings us to Osaka,

1108
00:55:11,234 --> 00:55:12,950
which simultaneously,

1109
00:55:13,930 --> 00:55:15,240
we're getting some

1110
00:55:16,010 --> 00:55:18,954
crossover to say, okay, while this is

1111
00:55:18,992 --> 00:55:21,750
going on over here with Toranaga,

1112
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:24,460
Ishido is having to deal with

1113
00:55:25,390 --> 00:55:28,224
the council. that is in a bit of a

1114
00:55:28,262 --> 00:55:30,800
political disarray.

1115
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,140
And it's just, they're very calmly

1116
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:36,900
arguing,

1117
00:55:39,250 --> 00:55:41,710
which is exactly what

1118
00:55:41,780 --> 00:55:44,722
Tornaga predicts was going to happen,

1119
00:55:44,856 --> 00:55:47,380
was like, okay, I'll just remove myself.

1120
00:55:47,910 --> 00:55:50,786
But Ishido, just because I'm no

1121
00:55:50,808 --> 00:55:53,486
longer there, don't think that your quote,

1122
00:55:53,518 --> 00:55:56,294
unquote, allies are suddenly going to

1123
00:55:56,332 --> 00:55:58,790
let you pick a replacement,

1124
00:55:59,170 --> 00:56:01,730
or do things. So,

1125
00:56:04,450 --> 00:56:07,314
what did you think about the council in this

1126
00:56:07,352 --> 00:56:08,420
episode, will.

1127
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:12,690
>> Will: The whole dynamic going on there, where they're

1128
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:15,570
sitting there going back and forth.

1129
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:18,674
Ashido is not high born. So

1130
00:56:18,712 --> 00:56:21,682
whenever the kayama

1131
00:56:21,746 --> 00:56:24,390
was like, that sea will stink of countryside.

1132
00:56:25,770 --> 00:56:28,040
And I was like. And then,

1133
00:56:29,540 --> 00:56:32,196
Ishido retorts with, that sea will stink of

1134
00:56:32,218 --> 00:56:35,030
Christian. I mean, it was just like the infighting there.

1135
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,190
I was just chewing that scene up because

1136
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:42,656
I just love seeing as predicted

1137
00:56:42,768 --> 00:56:45,576
and why Tornaga, again, was so smart to

1138
00:56:45,598 --> 00:56:48,408
resign. They were just going to devour themselves

1139
00:56:48,574 --> 00:56:50,730
and resort to infighting. And then

1140
00:56:52,940 --> 00:56:54,440
Lady Oshibo

1141
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:58,990
returns, and with the plan,

1142
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,892
she was the x factor there, because her

1143
00:57:02,946 --> 00:57:05,864
son is just waiting to turn 16

1144
00:57:05,912 --> 00:57:08,876
so he could take over, and she's just

1145
00:57:08,898 --> 00:57:11,756
like. She's playing her cards now. As far

1146
00:57:11,778 --> 00:57:14,412
as. Okay with this whole

1147
00:57:14,466 --> 00:57:15,070
situation.

1148
00:57:17,140 --> 00:57:19,884
>> Sarah : I guess my question, I appreciate

1149
00:57:19,932 --> 00:57:22,260
where they ended this episode with her

1150
00:57:22,410 --> 00:57:25,396
basically telling Ishido, bend the

1151
00:57:25,418 --> 00:57:28,302
knee, which Game of Thrones

1152
00:57:28,366 --> 00:57:29,940
callback. Thank you.

1153
00:57:33,130 --> 00:57:34,650
>> Sarah : But I don't.

1154
00:57:37,870 --> 00:57:40,714
I'm trying to understand a.

1155
00:57:40,832 --> 00:57:43,546
Why she thinks she has a lot of power.

1156
00:57:43,728 --> 00:57:46,666
I get it. She's the mother of the heir. I understand

1157
00:57:46,768 --> 00:57:47,420
that.

1158
00:57:50,770 --> 00:57:53,520
And I'm going to say this as a woman. This is a,

1159
00:57:53,970 --> 00:57:55,110
men's, game,

1160
00:58:00,780 --> 00:58:02,090
I guess. Also,

1161
00:58:05,490 --> 00:58:08,266
where I'm confused is Ishido

1162
00:58:08,378 --> 00:58:10,706
wanted her back at the palace in

1163
00:58:10,728 --> 00:58:11,518
Osaka.

1164
00:58:11,614 --> 00:58:12,210
>> Will: Right.

1165
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,122
>> Sarah : So what was his game plan

1166
00:58:15,256 --> 00:58:16,500
for her return?

1167
00:58:17,590 --> 00:58:20,530
>> Will: See, I don't think he saw her as a threat.

1168
00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:25,660
>> Sarah : and then my question is, why? Because

1169
00:58:26,190 --> 00:58:29,114
he seems a bit more tactical. He

1170
00:58:29,152 --> 00:58:31,340
seems like a fair,

1171
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,912
opponent for Toranaga. Maybe

1172
00:58:34,966 --> 00:58:37,732
Toranaga has some edge, but

1173
00:58:37,866 --> 00:58:40,116
there's something about where he was

1174
00:58:40,298 --> 00:58:43,156
pulling the strings in the first episode, where

1175
00:58:43,178 --> 00:58:45,396
I'm like, he had to have some kind of

1176
00:58:45,498 --> 00:58:48,116
reasoning for wanting her to return,

1177
00:58:48,298 --> 00:58:50,496
and also, more importantly, Lord

1178
00:58:50,528 --> 00:58:53,030
Toranaga not wanting her to return.

1179
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,824
>> Will: Yeah. At this point,

1180
00:58:56,942 --> 00:58:58,970
I don't know, to be,

1181
00:59:01,930 --> 00:59:04,694
mean. I think that's intentional. I think they are

1182
00:59:04,732 --> 00:59:07,670
trying to like, and rightly so.

1183
00:59:07,740 --> 00:59:10,040
What are the motivations here? Because

1184
00:59:11,770 --> 00:59:14,600
it was clear when

1185
00:59:15,530 --> 00:59:17,270
the previous Tyco died.

1186
00:59:18,910 --> 00:59:21,642
He drew up this will because he saw where these

1187
00:59:21,696 --> 00:59:23,980
other regents were going to.

1188
00:59:25,140 --> 00:59:28,116
>> Will: So I don't know if the lawyer was

1189
00:59:28,138 --> 00:59:31,076
sort of like, okay, there's got to be. It must be some clause back there that

1190
00:59:31,098 --> 00:59:32,950
he had tucked away in his will

1191
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,172
that, lady Oshida is, like, using

1192
00:59:37,702 --> 00:59:40,498
now she's playing that mean,

1193
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,932
granted, everybody probably would be aware of that

1194
00:59:44,342 --> 00:59:47,122
whenever the regents saw the will

1195
00:59:47,192 --> 00:59:48,802
where they set up to council.

1196
00:59:49,672 --> 00:59:52,092
but, yeah,

1197
00:59:54,722 --> 00:59:56,352
it's a very interesting game.

1198
00:59:58,882 --> 01:00:01,646
I guess Ashido was, like, the calculus I have

1199
01:00:01,684 --> 01:00:04,662
right now is I, know what I've got to deal with. The Christians. I

1200
01:00:04,668 --> 01:00:07,510
know what I got to deal with Tornaga. But now she's this new

1201
01:00:07,532 --> 01:00:10,162
x factor that I wasn't anticipating.

1202
01:00:10,338 --> 01:00:13,242
So I guess we'll see how that all plays out in the

1203
01:00:13,248 --> 01:00:14,566
subsequent episodes.

1204
01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:17,558
>> Sarah : We will. I don't agree that he wasn't

1205
01:00:17,606 --> 01:00:20,506
anticipating her because he wanted her

1206
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,074
back in the castle.

1207
01:00:23,694 --> 01:00:26,606
Yeah. M the

1208
01:00:26,660 --> 01:00:29,370
way they left the episode

1209
01:00:29,482 --> 01:00:32,328
with their conversation, leaves

1210
01:00:32,376 --> 01:00:35,276
me wanting to see the next episode and just

1211
01:00:35,330 --> 01:00:37,856
how that dynamic continues to play

1212
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:40,442
out, in surprising ways,

1213
01:00:40,608 --> 01:00:43,450
because now we have for us as a

1214
01:00:43,472 --> 01:00:45,978
viewer, we're introduced to a brand new

1215
01:00:46,016 --> 01:00:48,936
player, knowing that this

1216
01:00:49,010 --> 01:00:51,680
player is familiar with the

1217
01:00:51,702 --> 01:00:54,656
players that we have gotten to know over the last few

1218
01:00:54,710 --> 01:00:55,664
episodes.

1219
01:00:56,284 --> 01:00:59,000
>> Will: and one thought I did have while we were talking about

1220
01:00:59,022 --> 01:01:01,928
it, given that you reminded me that he wanted

1221
01:01:01,966 --> 01:01:04,840
her at the castle, Tornado wanted her away.

1222
01:01:05,022 --> 01:01:07,912
Part of it is that he wanted her and

1223
01:01:07,918 --> 01:01:10,504
the son to be there so they could just have a convenient,

1224
01:01:12,124 --> 01:01:14,114
convenient assassin take him.

1225
01:01:15,044 --> 01:01:17,856
>> Sarah : Right. Which, again, is

1226
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:20,910
just why I'm like, ishido. Are you going to let her

1227
01:01:20,932 --> 01:01:23,824
talk like that way? Are you supposed to kill her?

1228
01:01:24,434 --> 01:01:25,744
What's going on?

1229
01:01:28,274 --> 01:01:30,004
So, I don't know.

1230
01:01:32,454 --> 01:01:35,204
I'm curious about this, especially

1231
01:01:35,654 --> 01:01:37,764
when I think about how,

1232
01:01:42,244 --> 01:01:44,720
one of his cards might have been

1233
01:01:44,902 --> 01:01:47,596
what was somewhat speculated upon,

1234
01:01:47,660 --> 01:01:50,608
that the heir isn't really the heir

1235
01:01:50,656 --> 01:01:53,414
and is actually Toronaga's son.

1236
01:01:55,464 --> 01:01:57,574
>> Will: Yeah, we've been wondering about that.

1237
01:01:58,984 --> 01:02:01,400
>> Sarah : I cannot pronounce their names. I

1238
01:02:01,422 --> 01:02:04,280
apologize. I can, but I

1239
01:02:04,302 --> 01:02:07,236
also just, like. I get scared,

1240
01:02:07,380 --> 01:02:09,656
but I remember things. Okay.

1241
01:02:09,710 --> 01:02:12,578
>> Will: Yeah, that's a good callback, with their

1242
01:02:12,616 --> 01:02:15,242
conversation when the taiko and Tornado

1243
01:02:15,278 --> 01:02:18,150
were talking about Ashido. That's a good

1244
01:02:18,172 --> 01:02:19,304
callback. Yeah.

1245
01:02:21,434 --> 01:02:24,214
>> Sarah : All right. Well, I think that it is it

1246
01:02:24,284 --> 01:02:27,238
for us tonight. Will, why don't you tell our listeners where they can

1247
01:02:27,276 --> 01:02:28,006
find you?

1248
01:02:28,140 --> 01:02:31,068
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on x, formerly known as

1249
01:02:31,090 --> 01:02:32,438
Twitter, at willmpolk.

1250
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:35,132
Willmmpolk.

1251
01:02:35,502 --> 01:02:38,426
>> Sarah : And you can find me there too at SJ Belmont. S j b

1252
01:02:38,464 --> 01:02:41,372
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1253
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1255
01:02:47,696 --> 01:02:50,436
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1256
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1258
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