The Acolyte Meets The Bear

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>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is Scene N N Nerd. I'm your host, Sarah Belmont.

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And with me, as always, is our mister producer, will polk. How are you

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doing tonight, will?

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah. How you doing this evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm doing good.

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>> Will: That's good.

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>> Sarah : Summer is here.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : And. And we're getting into. We're. We're

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delving into June, which just means good things are

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coming.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. We got a lot of good things coming

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this month. of course, depending on your

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perspective, some people may think it's good, some people

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may not. But, acolyte started this week, and, I know we're going

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to talk a little bit of bear, but I've been,

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as with the, release of the, I guess they had the

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premiere party of House of the dragon earlier this week, and I was

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seeing all the photos on Twitter and whatnot, and I was just.

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I'm just getting so hyped, hyped, hyped about that show. And I know the

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boys dropped a, clip today, but I haven't

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watched that. I haven't watched the clip because I just want to just

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go into that show with whatever

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greatness I remember from the third season and

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also the end of Gen v. So

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the end of.

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>> Sarah : Gen v. The complete story of Gen V. And

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it's just. Yeah, yeah.

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I pay little attention to

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what the boys is happening because I know I'm gonna

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watch it, and I don't want anything

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spoiled, especially

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a four, five minute long action

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sequence.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : Kicks off the first episode.

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Spoiler for later.

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>> Will: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. But, yeah, next

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Thursday. So we'll hear with the

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boys and Sunday for House of the dragon. Yeah, I'm, so

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hyped.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, definitely. And I

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don't know if we. We stated this before

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on the show, but we're only

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talking about the first three episodes, so

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we're going to cover the acolyte third episode next

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week, and then we're putting it on the

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shelf so that we can focus on House

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of dragon and the boys. And then when those

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conclude, then we'll return and wrap up the

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acolyte.

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in some news, Gene Carlo

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Esposito was officially announced join the

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MCU as an unnamed villain. Of

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course he's a villain,

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like, the poor guy. I really

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wish, like, we would get him in a different

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role. I mean, he plays a great villain,

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but it's also to the point where I saw

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that headline and I thought to myself, wait a

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second. Why didn't I get this, like, weird

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feeling that he had already been cast as

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well in the MCU.

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>> Will: Yeah. Well, it's funny cause he did tease it, I guess about

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a week or so ago. And then.

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>> Sarah : Have picked up on that.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : I'm saying, like, there's been so

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many MCU movies, it is

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astonishing that it's gone this long for them not

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to have cast him.

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>> Will: True, true.

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>> Sarah : So. And he's joining

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Captain America for which.

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Okay, so will help me out here.

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What. What is the Captain America for saga? Because

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I feel as though filming has wrapped. Filming

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has resumed. Filming has wrapped. And now we are

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getting a casting announcement. So

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what. What's the truth?

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>> Will: So what is going on is. Yes. With.

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In addition to Giancarlo being cast

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in the movie, they are back in Atlanta

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doing reshoots for the.

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For. And so there was, for folks

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who, are found with

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spoilers and stuff. Of course, there is

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a set photo of him and his costume,

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on set. And, So, yeah, this. I

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can't. I think it was maybe 20

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day reshoot. If I want a recall from the story from, from

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the trades. this was. Yeah, because I remember posting on our

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socials. I bet it was like last week. But, that's what's going

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on with this. This movie. And,

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hopefully it'll finally

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get released some point next year. I think it's

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still, on track for a, 20.

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What? On the 2025 slate for. For the

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MCU. But, that is what's going on. Of course,

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the movie did get a title change

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as well. I can't remember. I don't want to.

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I think it's brave new world, I think is

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the tagline now. And, Yeah, and of

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course, everybody's wondering, speculating if he's going to be

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replacing Jonathan, maybe versus Kang. Of course, I've been seeing a lot

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of doctor doom out there, and I think the doom rumor

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is one that could work, especially if they introduce

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them here. and

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instead of waiting, you know, just as we

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know the Fantastic Four is going to be filming later this year.

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And I think also slated will be released late in

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2025 or 2026. So that that

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would be, you know, given how Marvel does

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their rollout of certain characters, that that would be

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keeping with. With some of the tradition of that

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franchise. So we'll see.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, we shall see.

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So who do you. So people who

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don't want to know, like, resume in

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two minutes? Who. Who do we suspect he's played?

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What role?

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>> Will: I've Scene everything from well, there's the wish

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list of Magneto or Professor

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X to, I've also Scene Doctor

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Doom, which, if they want to go, if

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that's the case, I mean, age wise, he's not

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too much older than Pedro Pascal, so

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that would track with Reid,

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and,

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doom being contemporaries of each

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other. I've also Scene some

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other, kangaroo, you know, obviously, given

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that Jonathan majors has been let, go.

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so those are some of the ones I've Scene. But I

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think listeners, if you've heard other rumors or

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you want to toss your hat in the speculation ring, you know, feel

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free to let us know.

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>> Sarah : All right, well, the last bit of

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news is that season two of Star Trek prodigy

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is dropping on July 1 on Netflix.

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Will, have you talked to me about this show before?

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>> Will: I have. it was

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dropped from the Paramount plus streaming service.

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>> Sarah : That makes sense.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, because, yeah, it was one of the animated

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shows, on that streaming platform. It

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was, had just wrapped up its first season.

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going into a second season. And then there was a big

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story about all these various Star Trek things coming out, like the

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section 31 movie and a couple other things. But

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in that same, I want to say around that same time, they had announced

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that they were canceling this, and there was a letter

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writing campaign, and the showrunners

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were like, don't worry, guys, we're working on something. And

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Netflix did pick it up. So very

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excited about this show. It's definitely,

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I will say, as far as some of the new

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I really, really, really enjoy a Star Trek prodigy. I think

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it's, definitely one

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of. One of my top ones

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consistently. I mean, this first season was great.

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>> Sarah : That's good. Well, be on the

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lookout for that. and I hope

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that you get ready because

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will. Will definitely be on blurred

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talk about it.

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>> Will: Yeah, well, yeah, they're dropping. All

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episodes are going to drop on July 1,

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>> Sarah : July 1.

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>> Will: so I know what I'll be benching over that over the holiday

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weekend.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, classic Netflix model, which.

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that I still have yet to gauge an understanding

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of what their model is because some shows seem to drop

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all at once, and then some shows these days are

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dropping half now, half a month

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later, and it's just. And then some,

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like two episodes here, like, on a weekly

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basis. I don't know. I don't get it.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. It's all over the place.

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>> Sarah : All right, so, moving on, before

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we get into the acolyte. Will has been catching up

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on the bear season two. How many episodes have

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you watched of it?

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>> Will: I've, watched the first five of season two.

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>> Sarah : So half because it's ten episodes, right?

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>> Will: That is correct.

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>> Sarah : That is correct. and what are some of your,

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like, standout episodes

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moments or overall thoughts about what you've Scene so

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>> Will: Overall false. this show is.

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I remember why I came to it late with

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season one and. But

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I remember really, really enjoying it. And I know

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was your top show of last year.

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And. And, you know, I didn't

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like last. Like the first season. I

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got back to. I got around to it late, but it's so.

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It's so enjoyable. I'm just really. It's a.

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show. I mean, every. Every character has an

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arc, you know, Carney, of course, who's the

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lead? White. His

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character, obviously, he's, Now

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they're in the process of

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renovating the beef into the fine

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dining restaurant and just all

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the, you, know, m thinking about the first episode. Some of the

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highlights I made, of course, is how the math just didn't add

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up and just, you know, doing.

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cardboard math as far as, trying to,

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figure out how to pay for it all. Then, of course, Uncle Jimmy,

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you know, Patton Oswalt, this does great job as far as

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playing that character. And, you know, so

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it's just that, you know, that was a standout for that

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one as far as some of the other, you know, the other four

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episodes really just sort of seeing

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how, you know, the, I

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see where people were, like,

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questioning whether or not is this show a comedy or a drama

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because it. It plays

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both sides of that

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fence depending on where they are in the

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ep, in the episode and stuff. And I guess it is a little bit

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more of a different tone in the second season than the

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first because, you know, obviously in the first season it won a

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bunch of Emmys and stuff for, in the comedy

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category. But I feel like this season is a little bit.

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drama as far as the things that are going on

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with. With building a. Renovating a restaurant. Of course,

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sugar, one of the highlights is, for me, has been

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the. How dense the guys were. And even

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I can't surprise Tina didn't pick it up either at

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first. sugar is pregnant and.

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And, just sort of, you know, whenever how that

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reveal did happen, and how Richie was like,

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called it just like, I was like,

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come on, Richie. Really. but also the whole dynamics with

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Richie and Fac and, you know, with the.

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And, with the renovations and, of course,

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Marcus's story, you know, going to Denmark

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>> Sarah : And that's the episode you left off on, right? The Denmark

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>> Will: actually, I just finished the last one

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this week with, Carney and Claire at the

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party, episode five.

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>> Sarah : Okay. Okay.

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>> Will: Yeah, that was the fifth episode. Yeah. I think I just watched

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the fourth episode when I was talking to you about Marcus's,

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journey and learning from, will bolter's

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character, doing the danish pastries.

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really enjoy seeing that process. And that's the other thing, too.

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of really cool fat. You know, it's a

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foodie destination. And, of course, this

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and, you know, obviously another foodie destination.

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dining and stuff Sydney is and

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to find. Make pasta. I think that was the second or third episode. And just.

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know, the craft of

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making good meals and that kind of stuff,

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too. I think that was something that really stuck out to me.

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written, you know, displays prominently in the

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show. the,

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showrunner had gotten it from. From coach k and actually happened to see

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an interview with him talking about, how coach

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k, who's my Ceausescu, Duke University,

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former retired Duke basketball coach,

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was, ah, you know, a fan of the show and

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how he got that and how they. How they interwove that into.

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really cool. So I'm. I really, like I said, I'm really,

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really enjoying, enjoying this show. I mean, we definitely

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can get into a lot more of the highs for

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me, but, those are some of my quick overall thoughts

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of the bear.

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Season two.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, I

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remember, I think the first thing I said about

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it after I watched it, on. On the podcast was

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that I was surprised

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by how they took everything

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I liked about season

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one and just amplified it in season

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two. So there, because

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season one, I was like, this is good.

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but you can tell while watching season

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two, especially the first half

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that, okay, there

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they had to set. Like, they had to.

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You had to understand

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the dynamics of the restaurant and also

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inner, like, you had to have a foundation.

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and now they are literally

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rebuilding.

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>> Will: Yeah, literally

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rebuilding.

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>> Sarah : And I just, I don't know, there's a rhythm

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and a tone. And, overall,

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I am still obsessed with this

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season of television. So I'll be curious

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next week when you finish it, to

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really hear about what episodes

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stood out among the ten and also just the

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moments, because

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I go back and forth about the whole comedy dramedy

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or drama debate and I

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understand why people

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would raise an eyebrow to it. But at the

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same time, I feel like there was something

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even more ridiculous that the golden globe stuck in

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the comedy. Oh, it was that. It was that

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movie with Julianne

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Moore and, Ellie Portman.

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>> Will: Yeah, I know which one you're talking about.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. You watch five minutes of

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that and then think about any episode of the Bear. And, yeah,

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the bear is definitely a comedy in comparison to that

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movie. So. So

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I guess it's all like, just, just

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relative. so, yeah, so,

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but I mean, I also

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think that arguably, for

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a show to do well in the

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Emmys or the, golden

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globes, I think people kind of

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stick things in the comedy because

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the drama is just so packed.

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>> Will: Yeah, it is.

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>> Sarah : I mean, your chances of winning in the

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drama category significantly lower

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than if you're just like, yeah, we made a few jokes, so

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comedy.

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>> Will: For sure. For sure. And the other thing about

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this series, too, and I think I mentioned it to you when I was. When I

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started it a, few weeks, a couple of weekends ago.

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It's just how bingeable it is. I mean, I could have easily have

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blown through, like, all ten that when I, when

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I was watching it, I think Memorial Day. Memorial Day

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weekend. But I was like, no, no, no. Let me, let me hold

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on to. Let me just save it until we're a little bit

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closer to our recording time. So, so I

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will have fresh impressions. But like you

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said, I mean, you know, you watched it last

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year and it's still beats and moments

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are memorable.

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>> Sarah : And that's really like,

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then re, immediately rewatched the season and

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then I went back and rewatched season one. Then I

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went like, I have probably Scene it

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and I've just started earlier today

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rewatching the first few episodes of season

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two. I probably have Scene it,

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five times through

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over the course of the year. And granted, there was a few months and I

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didn't, But a few weeks ago, I returned

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to season one because I knew season three was

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coming. So I was going to watch the straight through. And

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I've now probably Scene season one a good three to four

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times. So. Because that's another

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thing. It made me like, when it was done, I was like,

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but I still want to be in this world. So

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I circled that and was like, let me revisit.

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And honestly, I think. I think it

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made me appreciate season one more.

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>> Will: M just.

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>> Sarah : Because of now

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making more connections

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and, and seeing bigger

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arcs over the course of season one and season

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two. Like, it made me appreciate a lot of

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that more

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than if I had never seen season two. So

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I'm only curious about what season three. But,

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but we shall see. We're not going to necessarily cover

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it on the show,

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but, because we got other things to do.

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And, this isn't really a geeky

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conversation.

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>> Will: But we all, we, we deviate for like,

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excellent shows and this is definitely one.

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And, And so you may.

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You may see some. Some social post about it from.

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From us whenever we do. When we do watch it in,

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into July.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : All right, that brings us to the acolyte.

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Season one, episode one, lost and found. The

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Jedi pursue a suspect after a shocking

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crime occurs. Basically the entire

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tagline of this show that

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was sold to us.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Is all in this one episode.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Oh, my God. So what.

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>> Will: So tell me what you really feel.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, what I really feel is, oh,

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my God, this is. This

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show makes me so mad.

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>> Will: Wow.

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>> Sarah : Like, not incredibly mad,

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but you know, about. On the same level

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as ant man three. I just.

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I really think the writing

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is atrocious and I think it's atrocious. And

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it took me to episode two to

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really, like, be able to articulate

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it. They keep asking a

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question and then, immediately m answering it.

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There's no mystery. I mean, the biggest

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mystery is who's

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maze master. Right?

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : And, and then. But, but we also. And we

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think, oh, well, well, may knows. And

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then it's like may does now.

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Now based on, what soul

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learns, may doesn't even know her master is.

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So I just, I'm like, so what

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is. Are you going to explain that to us in that

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episode? So I just. I have a lot

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of issues with that, and the

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writing makes me not like pretty much any of these

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characters. M especially

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soul. I have so many problems with soul.

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Yes. Yes.

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>> Will: Wow. Okay. Yeah, this is great because,

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you know, that's contrary to, I think the prevailing view

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is, at least in discussions I've

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had, I mean, I was. I was

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able to do a quick collaboration

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with, a plus. Thanks, guys, for inviting me on to

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talk about it last night. I mean, and

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also just other reviewers

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and shows that I've been catching up

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watching. I mean, people. That's the one carried. Everybody likes

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this all, So you're the first person I've heard. I think,

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that's, down on that.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. And they probably also like Star wars in

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general, so.

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>> Will: Well, yeah,

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in general, but, I mean, I know Harlov is, like,

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not. He's kind of on the fence with the

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show.

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>> Sarah : Oh, well,

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that's. I'm not surprised.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : It's just. It's not. It's not an

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adult show.

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>> Will: Yeah. It's not. It's. Well, you

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know, it's the, It's the

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way, again, there's the extremes. There's, I guess, as far as

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grading the gradient of Disney plus shows,

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we have the, Andor, I guess, is like the

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top, and then there's, like, Boba

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Fett.

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>> Sarah : Don'T like flake on Ahsoka. Boba

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Fett was just boring. It was just

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boring. Ahsoka, was a show made

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for children.

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>> Will: Ahsoka. Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Maybe like teenagers, but it

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definitely. And now, so far, this I would

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put on the, like, they sit at the same table.

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>> Will: Okay. And that's. And, that's fair. I mean, I think

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that's fair. I mean, why my thought on the show is

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fine. I mean, I. I don't. I.

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>> Sarah : It didn't blow me away, which I guess

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here's.

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Here's my question. I think this

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coincides with the

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ending of the first episode.

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why is this show called the acolyte?

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>> Will: So that's one of the mysteries

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of who is the acolyte

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for assume the Sith.

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>> Sarah : Well, the acolyte,

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they refer to her.

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Well, I mean, I just understand why they

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chose that term.

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>> Will: Yeah. I. I mean, I think as this. As

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the series progresses, we will. We will find out who

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that is. What. Who's the master,

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who and who she is the acolyte

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of. because at this point,

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the, you know, obviously the. We just

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know that there is a force user that's out there,

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from Indira, Carrie Anne Moss is like, you know, two minutes

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of being. Being on in the show.

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but beyond that,

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>> Sarah : Wait, what do you mean? May killed

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Endira.

511
00:23:09.826 --> 00:23:12.642
>> Will: Yeah, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

512
00:23:12.794 --> 00:23:13.170
yeah.

513
00:23:13.218 --> 00:23:15.938
>> Sarah : So. So we. Okay. From what I

514
00:23:15.962 --> 00:23:18.832
understand on the, From what I understand about the

515
00:23:18.864 --> 00:23:21.352
ending of this show, we. We see in the

516
00:23:21.384 --> 00:23:24.360
distance the master and he

517
00:23:24.488 --> 00:23:27.456
or she has. Has voiceover

518
00:23:27.536 --> 00:23:30.392
and is saying an acolyte kills without a weapon. An

519
00:23:30.424 --> 00:23:33.088
acolyte kills the dream. So, yeah,

520
00:23:33.192 --> 00:23:36.016
totally sith. But. But we don't

521
00:23:36.056 --> 00:23:38.816
know who it is. But we also know

522
00:23:38.896 --> 00:23:41.624
May is walking towards them. And it kind

523
00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:44.248
of. The way they said it, it

524
00:23:44.272 --> 00:23:47.062
phrases like, she is the acolyte for

525
00:23:47.094 --> 00:23:49.782
them. And that's why she killed Indira

526
00:23:49.974 --> 00:23:52.950
at the beginning of the episode as well

527
00:23:52.998 --> 00:23:55.982
as went on to kill another Jedi. She has

528
00:23:56.014 --> 00:23:58.758
four Jedi. Four. Four Jedi on the

529
00:23:58.782 --> 00:24:00.958
list. And that all circles back

530
00:24:01.102 --> 00:24:03.446
to Mei and Mae

531
00:24:03.526 --> 00:24:06.292
and, Osha, who are young girls

532
00:24:06.444 --> 00:24:09.260
on a planet, and their planet went, like,

533
00:24:09.308 --> 00:24:12.212
blew up. And then there's now, over the course

534
00:24:12.244 --> 00:24:14.612
of the two episodes, there's a mystery

535
00:24:14.724 --> 00:24:15.376
about

536
00:24:18.236 --> 00:24:21.084
what happened and also why

537
00:24:21.180 --> 00:24:24.120
Indira, Sol, who was the other guy

538
00:24:24.160 --> 00:24:27.056
called Torbin, and now

539
00:24:27.128 --> 00:24:30.096
the Jedi Wookiee master who will meet in the

540
00:24:30.128 --> 00:24:32.944
third episode, how they're

541
00:24:32.992 --> 00:24:35.896
connected to mayan Osha and

542
00:24:35.968 --> 00:24:38.256
why. Why

543
00:24:38.368 --> 00:24:41.110
may, like, why these specific Jedi

544
00:24:41.150 --> 00:24:44.128
masters are on her list. I think. I

545
00:24:44.184 --> 00:24:46.912
think I covered that. Yeah, yeah,

546
00:24:47.016 --> 00:24:49.696
yeah. So. So,

547
00:24:49.808 --> 00:24:51.980
like. And when I say mystery,

548
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:56.384
it's not. It drove me

549
00:24:56.432 --> 00:24:58.820
crazy because the

550
00:24:59.280 --> 00:25:02.168
first, I don't know, 20 to 40 minutes of

551
00:25:02.224 --> 00:25:05.056
this. This first episode, the mystery is.

552
00:25:05.088 --> 00:25:07.116
Wait, wait. We're introduced to M.

553
00:25:07.228 --> 00:25:10.052
Osha, and, But

554
00:25:10.236 --> 00:25:13.220
we were just introduced to someone who looks exactly like

555
00:25:13.260 --> 00:25:15.788
her. So it was all about, like, well,

556
00:25:15.964 --> 00:25:18.760
Osha's denying she killed Indira.

557
00:25:19.620 --> 00:25:22.596
Did she? And so there's a question and then

558
00:25:22.628 --> 00:25:25.356
they answer it. They answer it.

559
00:25:25.468 --> 00:25:28.420
Not even at the end of the episode. They

560
00:25:28.460 --> 00:25:31.228
answer it very early on that. No, no.

561
00:25:31.324 --> 00:25:32.400
Twin theory.

562
00:25:33.110 --> 00:25:35.646
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I mean, that. Yeah, that

563
00:25:35.678 --> 00:25:38.516
was, They telegraphed it from

564
00:25:38.548 --> 00:25:41.328
the front of get, you know, from the show itself

565
00:25:41.392 --> 00:25:43.504
to some of the promotional materials.

566
00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:45.246
But, I.

567
00:25:46.306 --> 00:25:47.926
Yeah, that.

568
00:25:48.306 --> 00:25:51.170
>> Sarah : See, I didn't. I didn't pay attention to the promotional

569
00:25:51.298 --> 00:25:54.194
materials. And so I actually was like,

570
00:25:54.250 --> 00:25:57.046
wait a second. What? Why is she acting like

571
00:25:57.186 --> 00:25:59.902
they're doing a pretty good job? Like she had nothing to do with

572
00:25:59.934 --> 00:26:02.702
it? And then they answered the question. They stole my

573
00:26:02.734 --> 00:26:05.366
mystery. And then they created another

574
00:26:05.446 --> 00:26:08.214
mystery. Like, why are we only

575
00:26:08.270 --> 00:26:11.086
learning about the twin now? And soul's

576
00:26:11.126 --> 00:26:14.030
like, no, no, no. May died. May died.

577
00:26:14.158 --> 00:26:16.998
And this is my problem with soul will. This

578
00:26:17.022 --> 00:26:19.326
is my problem. And all happened in the first

579
00:26:19.406 --> 00:26:22.398
episode. He was. So everyone

580
00:26:22.502 --> 00:26:25.338
else was like. Like, even I

581
00:26:25.362 --> 00:26:28.320
think I feel like, what's his face, Yond. Yord

582
00:26:28.448 --> 00:26:31.152
was like, do you. Do you think it was the twenties? Like,

583
00:26:31.184 --> 00:26:33.824
no, May's dead. And then five

584
00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:36.768
minutes later, he walks over to Osha. Osha's like, May's

585
00:26:36.792 --> 00:26:39.436
alive. And he's like, I believe you. Like, what,

586
00:26:39.856 --> 00:26:40.796
dude?

587
00:26:41.096 --> 00:26:43.328
>> Will: Yeah. Oh, believe me. Me. I.

588
00:26:43.472 --> 00:26:46.116
That was. And that was the

589
00:26:46.896 --> 00:26:49.496
logical inconsistencies and

590
00:26:49.616 --> 00:26:52.580
the, and the

591
00:26:52.628 --> 00:26:55.420
plot conveniences that happened in this, in the first

592
00:26:55.468 --> 00:26:58.212
episode in particular drove me

593
00:26:58.244 --> 00:27:00.916
nuts. I mean, I completely agree. I thought the writing of the

594
00:27:00.956 --> 00:27:03.844
show was very, like, as I

595
00:27:03.860 --> 00:27:06.612
said, the mystery.

596
00:27:06.764 --> 00:27:09.748
Well, not the reveal of, like, or trying

597
00:27:09.772 --> 00:27:12.136
to head fake the

598
00:27:12.796 --> 00:27:15.068
twin versus. Is it dual

599
00:27:15.132 --> 00:27:18.012
identity? this is some sort of

600
00:27:18.124 --> 00:27:20.736
disorder or something like that. I mean,

601
00:27:21.436 --> 00:27:24.292
yeah, it failed because I was just

602
00:27:24.324 --> 00:27:27.216
like, and this is before I.

603
00:27:28.876 --> 00:27:31.772
I mean, whatever. Did she. Did the wake up on the ship right

604
00:27:31.804 --> 00:27:34.628
after that happened? I was like, oh, they

605
00:27:34.652 --> 00:27:37.308
telegraphed this. It's a twin. I mean, they

606
00:27:37.332 --> 00:27:37.852
did.

607
00:27:38.004 --> 00:27:40.656
>> Sarah : Well, you're a lot smarter.

608
00:27:41.396 --> 00:27:43.216
>> Will: I mean, what I was like,

609
00:27:44.196 --> 00:27:46.684
I mean, that's what they were trying to get at. But it was just sort of

610
00:27:46.700 --> 00:27:47.256
like,

611
00:27:49.476 --> 00:27:52.016
it just. It just didn't land.

612
00:27:53.236 --> 00:27:55.736
It carried it for a little bit, but then

613
00:27:56.716 --> 00:27:58.336
it was sort of like

614
00:27:59.796 --> 00:28:02.316
whenever that you were, came to. To arrest

615
00:28:02.396 --> 00:28:05.004
her, it was sort of like, okay, that.

616
00:28:05.060 --> 00:28:06.296
That was

617
00:28:07.996 --> 00:28:10.336
quickly, like, blew the. The

618
00:28:10.796 --> 00:28:13.532
theory out of that, you know, the being in two places at

619
00:28:13.564 --> 00:28:14.136
once.

620
00:28:14.472 --> 00:28:15.674
>> Sarah : Oh, yeah, exactly.

621
00:28:15.770 --> 00:28:18.154
>> Will: It blew it out. Blew it out of the water. Yeah.

622
00:28:18.290 --> 00:28:21.242
>> Sarah : It felt like they, they were trying to set

623
00:28:21.274 --> 00:28:24.178
up a mystery. M and then

624
00:28:24.202 --> 00:28:27.106
they just kept stepping on the mystery, so they had to

625
00:28:27.226 --> 00:28:30.194
rewrite. It was like they, they wrote

626
00:28:30.210 --> 00:28:32.650
it out and then, they

627
00:28:32.778 --> 00:28:35.778
inadvertently solved it and they're like, oh, wait, now

628
00:28:35.802 --> 00:28:38.706
we need something more. This isn't

629
00:28:38.746 --> 00:28:39.498
complete.

630
00:28:39.642 --> 00:28:42.442
But to go back to my soul thing, because you

631
00:28:42.474 --> 00:28:45.210
were. You also mentioned how you were kind of,

632
00:28:45.258 --> 00:28:47.834
like, surprised by my whole soul take,

633
00:28:47.970 --> 00:28:50.882
but you can see now where my kind

634
00:28:50.914 --> 00:28:53.818
of like, huh? Dude, I don't like you.

635
00:28:54.002 --> 00:28:56.738
Yeah, yeah,

636
00:28:56.842 --> 00:28:57.526
yeah.

637
00:28:58.226 --> 00:29:00.834
>> Will: Well, that was. That was equivalent for. For

638
00:29:00.890 --> 00:29:03.176
me as well. That, that.

639
00:29:03.986 --> 00:29:06.898
I mean, as far as, like, characters, I mean,

640
00:29:07.002 --> 00:29:09.874
soul. I

641
00:29:09.890 --> 00:29:12.738
would. May and

642
00:29:12.762 --> 00:29:15.726
Osha, like, were probably the ones that I most.

643
00:29:17.266 --> 00:29:20.234
I liked the most in the first two episodes, to be

644
00:29:20.250 --> 00:29:23.170
honest. not that

645
00:29:23.218 --> 00:29:25.938
they were outstanding. Blow me

646
00:29:25.962 --> 00:29:28.554
away. It was just. But it was just

647
00:29:28.610 --> 00:29:31.314
more. They were. They

648
00:29:31.330 --> 00:29:31.886
were.

649
00:29:32.546 --> 00:29:34.806
>> Sarah : Doesn't have the writing

650
00:29:35.426 --> 00:29:38.422
to support a stellar expert,

651
00:29:39.332 --> 00:29:42.044
ah, performance. So she's doing

652
00:29:42.180 --> 00:29:44.812
what she does, but it's at

653
00:29:44.924 --> 00:29:47.652
like, it's just to support the writing she's given

654
00:29:47.724 --> 00:29:50.668
like, she's like, there's nothing more I can do. I can just

655
00:29:50.772 --> 00:29:53.664
do what I can. And that's the appealing part of her.

656
00:29:53.780 --> 00:29:55.096
>> Will: Yep, that's exactly what it was.

657
00:29:55.136 --> 00:29:57.576
>> Sarah : I do think Daphne keen

658
00:29:57.736 --> 00:30:00.568
steals it a bit in the second episode

659
00:30:00.632 --> 00:30:03.566
because Jackie is just, very cool, and I love

660
00:30:03.606 --> 00:30:05.146
her disdain for Yord.

661
00:30:05.686 --> 00:30:08.546
>> Will: Yeah, well, see, honestly, those two.

662
00:30:09.326 --> 00:30:12.222
So, see, that was where I was sort of like

663
00:30:12.294 --> 00:30:15.294
the other characters. I mean, she didn't pop for me as far

664
00:30:15.310 --> 00:30:18.110
as. As far as

665
00:30:18.198 --> 00:30:21.074
her padawan. I, that. So I was sort of

666
00:30:21.090 --> 00:30:23.994
like, everybody's, like, raving about Daphne King, but I was just like, man, which one was

667
00:30:24.010 --> 00:30:24.566
she?

668
00:30:25.026 --> 00:30:28.000
>> Sarah : Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, I had IMDb up.

669
00:30:27.980 --> 00:30:30.682
trust me, I wouldn't known that that was Daphne

670
00:30:30.738 --> 00:30:31.346
Keen.

671
00:30:31.490 --> 00:30:31.870
>> Will: Yeah.

672
00:30:31.870 --> 00:30:34.610
>> Sarah : and without having IMDb

673
00:30:34.682 --> 00:30:37.574
up that told me, like, oh, that's his fighter,

674
00:30:39.274 --> 00:30:42.274
I, like, knew that during the first episode, I'm like, where's

675
00:30:42.314 --> 00:30:45.256
Daphne keen? And then the second, I'm like, I'm, like,

676
00:30:45.320 --> 00:30:48.112
staring at the makeup and like, yep, yep.

677
00:30:48.168 --> 00:30:51.136
I'm pretty sure that's her, and it's not. And

678
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:53.960
I'm not saying, like, this is my favorite character. I'm just

679
00:30:53.992 --> 00:30:56.888
saying out of all of them, she's, like,

680
00:30:56.936 --> 00:30:59.720
the least that she. I

681
00:30:59.752 --> 00:31:02.400
don't know that that has not fallen

682
00:31:02.472 --> 00:31:05.202
too flat. and. But. But,

683
00:31:05.258 --> 00:31:07.658
yeah, I mean, in a

684
00:31:07.706 --> 00:31:10.314
roundabout way, we are summing up the first

685
00:31:10.394 --> 00:31:13.374
episode because really, it just goes from

686
00:31:13.984 --> 00:31:16.204
Indara's death to

687
00:31:17.664 --> 00:31:20.320
a revelation about Mae and

688
00:31:20.392 --> 00:31:23.204
Osha being twins to

689
00:31:23.664 --> 00:31:26.456
what? Then Seoul believing

690
00:31:26.560 --> 00:31:29.448
that, and then Seoule also believing not

691
00:31:29.496 --> 00:31:32.358
only that Osha didn't kill, kill, Endira,

692
00:31:32.406 --> 00:31:34.718
but also that, no, no, no. May still

693
00:31:34.766 --> 00:31:37.742
alive. And.

694
00:31:37.878 --> 00:31:40.836
And then, we get the whole. An

695
00:31:40.860 --> 00:31:43.436
acolyte kills without a weapon. An acolyte kills the

696
00:31:43.460 --> 00:31:46.324
dream, which the dream is

697
00:31:46.364 --> 00:31:49.028
peace. The Jedi way.

698
00:31:49.196 --> 00:31:51.404
This is set 100 years before

699
00:31:51.564 --> 00:31:54.044
empire, and so this

700
00:31:54.084 --> 00:31:56.436
is in a peaceful time in the

701
00:31:56.460 --> 00:31:59.220
galaxy. How does the Sith and how

702
00:31:59.252 --> 00:32:02.036
does evil spark that

703
00:32:02.100 --> 00:32:04.104
leads to their downfall?

704
00:32:04.874 --> 00:32:07.786
Or at, ah, least harder

705
00:32:07.850 --> 00:32:10.610
lines to cross? So I get that.

706
00:32:10.682 --> 00:32:11.574
And, I mean,

707
00:32:14.074 --> 00:32:17.002
they do an okay job about retaining

708
00:32:17.098 --> 00:32:19.740
that, message in the second

709
00:32:19.812 --> 00:32:22.004
episode because we learn

710
00:32:22.164 --> 00:32:24.844
that there's an exchange between

711
00:32:24.924 --> 00:32:27.914
may, and one of her allies

712
00:32:28.414 --> 00:32:31.064
who. Who basically, it's

713
00:32:31.104 --> 00:32:33.884
like she's on this mission to kill these.

714
00:32:34.184 --> 00:32:37.184
These four Jedi masters, but

715
00:32:37.344 --> 00:32:40.160
she needs to do one, at least

716
00:32:40.232 --> 00:32:42.640
one soul without a

717
00:32:42.672 --> 00:32:45.502
weapon, in order to please master.

718
00:32:45.558 --> 00:32:47.594
Because until she does that, she

719
00:32:47.934 --> 00:32:50.438
technically is not an acolyte.

720
00:32:50.566 --> 00:32:51.634
>> Will: Right, right.

721
00:32:52.094 --> 00:32:54.274
>> Sarah : But I guess I still want to understand

722
00:32:54.784 --> 00:32:57.640
who. Who decided to

723
00:32:57.672 --> 00:33:00.256
refer to this type of thing as an

724
00:33:00.280 --> 00:33:02.684
acolyte. I don't understand it.

725
00:33:03.224 --> 00:33:06.130
>> Will: Well, I think that's where. And, we'll probably get

726
00:33:06.202 --> 00:33:09.186
some answers to that over. Over the. Over the

727
00:33:09.210 --> 00:33:12.106
course of the series, because, I mean, like, as you noted,

728
00:33:12.130 --> 00:33:15.082
this is 100 years before phantom menace. so in the.

729
00:33:15.098 --> 00:33:17.814
Over. At the end of the high Republic,

730
00:33:18.270 --> 00:33:21.020
and, you know, there was the line in phantom

731
00:33:21.052 --> 00:33:23.930
menace where I think they're

732
00:33:23.962 --> 00:33:26.294
trying to, like, reconcile

733
00:33:26.954 --> 00:33:29.850
a bit of canon here from that

734
00:33:29.882 --> 00:33:32.738
line and phantom, where it's like, we haven't

735
00:33:32.866 --> 00:33:35.634
seen by that point. They're, you know, they used to work

736
00:33:35.674 --> 00:33:38.504
Sith, and we haven't seen those in a millennia.

737
00:33:38.584 --> 00:33:41.440
So I think what they're, you know, they're not.

738
00:33:41.632 --> 00:33:44.144
You know, it's a clearly, we know

739
00:33:44.264 --> 00:33:46.760
as far as viewers that, ah, when we saw

740
00:33:46.792 --> 00:33:49.286
that red lightsaber, that's.

741
00:33:49.350 --> 00:33:52.142
That's the Sith dark side. They're not calling it that,

742
00:33:52.198 --> 00:33:55.174
obviously, in this. In this time period,

743
00:33:55.254 --> 00:33:57.794
because it's just

744
00:33:58.254 --> 00:34:00.674
there are four sensitive people out there.

745
00:34:01.294 --> 00:34:04.276
And I, think you, know, and I

746
00:34:04.300 --> 00:34:07.236
think this is showing some of the fallibility of

747
00:34:07.260 --> 00:34:09.544
the Jedi, even at the height of their power,

748
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:12.966
that where things are. Are

749
00:34:12.998 --> 00:34:15.774
stable, things are peaceful. And.

750
00:34:15.942 --> 00:34:18.850
And so this. Under this. This.

751
00:34:19.190 --> 00:34:21.290
These dark forces are

752
00:34:22.030 --> 00:34:24.502
starting to. Started to come to the. To the

753
00:34:24.526 --> 00:34:27.366
forefront. That was the kill that she had to

754
00:34:27.398 --> 00:34:30.366
make to be, to continue her path

755
00:34:30.398 --> 00:34:31.878
as an acolyte of.

756
00:34:32.054 --> 00:34:34.694
>> Sarah : I like how we have spent so much

757
00:34:34.742 --> 00:34:36.850
time on one freaking line

758
00:34:37.390 --> 00:34:39.460
that. Yet

759
00:34:40.080 --> 00:34:42.220
there's not much else to talk about.

760
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:46.304
We can sum it up so easily about what

761
00:34:46.352 --> 00:34:48.740
actually happened in these two episodes.

762
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.440
>> Will: Well, yeah, I mean, it's true. I mean, there's so many plot

763
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.240
conveniences, like, you know, like the whole. The Jedi

764
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:58.128
putting her Osha on the prison

765
00:34:58.184 --> 00:35:01.040
bars with a bunch of robots. I mean, if they suspect it,

766
00:35:01.120 --> 00:35:03.704
I mean, it's. It's a pretty effing big deal if you.

767
00:35:03.752 --> 00:35:06.696
If you. If you murder

768
00:35:06.728 --> 00:35:09.656
a Jedi. I mean, this is not like, this is an

769
00:35:09.688 --> 00:35:12.634
everyday occurrence. It seems, even though they seem to

770
00:35:12.642 --> 00:35:15.430
be treated as such. But,

771
00:35:16.240 --> 00:35:19.152
so, yeah, it's just sort of

772
00:35:19.176 --> 00:35:22.048
like, okay, you got

773
00:35:22.064 --> 00:35:25.064
a Jedi killer. This doesn't happen in often, but, yeah, we're just going

774
00:35:25.072 --> 00:35:28.054
to, like, put you on a barge with a bunch, of robots and, you know,

775
00:35:28.078 --> 00:35:31.076
take it back to Coruscant. Yeah. Cool. Okay. And then

776
00:35:31.084 --> 00:35:33.348
it just happens to, like, you know, things

777
00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:36.340
happen conveniently. And m. That's what I meant

778
00:35:36.356 --> 00:35:39.196
by, like, the plot conveniences that just really drove me. That

779
00:35:39.364 --> 00:35:41.716
did drive me crazy with that first

780
00:35:41.764 --> 00:35:42.552
episode.

781
00:35:43.572 --> 00:35:45.772
>> Sarah : Yeah. It's. It's plot, plot

782
00:35:45.812 --> 00:35:48.572
conveniences surrounded by

783
00:35:48.652 --> 00:35:50.872
or wrapped in, just

784
00:35:52.212 --> 00:35:54.468
question answered, question

785
00:35:54.620 --> 00:35:57.508
answer, question answered. And it's like, where's the

786
00:35:57.540 --> 00:36:00.162
death? Where. Where's the thing

787
00:36:00.462 --> 00:36:02.162
that makes me want,

788
00:36:02.742 --> 00:36:05.510
like, to. To watch the next

789
00:36:05.566 --> 00:36:08.382
episode? Yeah, well, for me, where's

790
00:36:08.422 --> 00:36:10.982
the curiosity about, like, what they're gonna

791
00:36:11.022 --> 00:36:13.366
explore? Because, yeah, sure, they could

792
00:36:13.454 --> 00:36:16.334
answer this whole acolyte mission

793
00:36:16.478 --> 00:36:19.398
mystery or whatever, but. But

794
00:36:19.470 --> 00:36:22.454
I also. I'm just like. But at the end of the day, it's also

795
00:36:22.598 --> 00:36:25.554
not something I generally care about. Like, go ahead

796
00:36:25.578 --> 00:36:28.274
and answer it. But I also don't care about the

797
00:36:28.298 --> 00:36:29.942
answer one way or the other.

798
00:36:30.442 --> 00:36:32.940
>> Will: Yeah. I mean, I

799
00:36:32.996 --> 00:36:35.852
do. It does spark enough curiosity

800
00:36:35.932 --> 00:36:38.828
in me that I do want

801
00:36:38.860 --> 00:36:41.796
to know what were.

802
00:36:41.884 --> 00:36:44.852
What. So what was. What soul was hiding

803
00:36:44.892 --> 00:36:47.780
and what these. These four particular Jedi

804
00:36:47.956 --> 00:36:50.796
were doing on Mei and OSha's home

805
00:36:50.844 --> 00:36:53.552
planet that, that has led to.

806
00:36:54.212 --> 00:36:56.988
Yeah, so, I mean, the mystery here is

807
00:36:57.100 --> 00:36:59.828
why the dark side forces want to kill

808
00:36:59.860 --> 00:37:02.668
the. What's so special about these four jedi? That's

809
00:37:02.700 --> 00:37:03.270
the, mystery.

810
00:37:03.326 --> 00:37:06.310
>> Sarah : I'll go back to Mei and Osha's hometowning,

811
00:37:06.366 --> 00:37:09.310
being burned home. Home planet. Fuck.

812
00:37:09.446 --> 00:37:12.126
Right? I actually hate talking about this show because

813
00:37:12.174 --> 00:37:14.838
apparently I can't talk during it. But

814
00:37:14.870 --> 00:37:17.646
it's. But it all goes back to that. And

815
00:37:17.694 --> 00:37:20.232
why. Why may

816
00:37:20.532 --> 00:37:23.484
is so adamant or not May. Osha is so

817
00:37:23.548 --> 00:37:26.012
adamant that it was

818
00:37:26.052 --> 00:37:28.924
May who burned down the world.

819
00:37:29.068 --> 00:37:31.916
And then my theory is, well,

820
00:37:32.084 --> 00:37:34.980
Mae wants revenge on these four.

821
00:37:35.076 --> 00:37:37.820
Four jedi because

822
00:37:37.956 --> 00:37:40.876
they set her up, or she thinks

823
00:37:40.964 --> 00:37:43.708
that they set her up for that,

824
00:37:43.780 --> 00:37:46.664
or. Or maybe they think she thinks

825
00:37:46.688 --> 00:37:49.688
that they started it and it was an accident. It's

826
00:37:49.720 --> 00:37:52.720
going to totally be explained, and it's going to

827
00:37:52.736 --> 00:37:55.680
be explained in the most convenient way. It's like, oh, I get

828
00:37:55.736 --> 00:37:58.568
why you would think that. And that would happen,

829
00:37:58.640 --> 00:38:01.452
and then now you're both joined together.

830
00:38:03.992 --> 00:38:04.772
>> Will: Yeah.

831
00:38:04.798 --> 00:38:07.692
>> Sarah : but, I mean, I get your point. Like, yeah,

832
00:38:08.232 --> 00:38:11.222
that is one mystery that. That

833
00:38:11.382 --> 00:38:14.334
you. That they have out there

834
00:38:14.438 --> 00:38:17.222
that would make people curious and viewers want to stick

835
00:38:17.262 --> 00:38:20.142
around. I'm just not that curious about it,

836
00:38:20.182 --> 00:38:23.110
because at the end of the day, from what they showed me in

837
00:38:23.126 --> 00:38:25.958
the first two episodes, I don't know if they'll

838
00:38:25.990 --> 00:38:28.918
be able to execute a. A well

839
00:38:28.990 --> 00:38:31.854
deserved conclusion or a well deserved

840
00:38:31.918 --> 00:38:33.682
answer to that question.

841
00:38:35.102 --> 00:38:38.014
Like, my faith is. Is low on

842
00:38:38.038 --> 00:38:40.886
these writers from what they've showcased so far.

843
00:38:41.014 --> 00:38:44.012
And that, like, your first two episodes,

844
00:38:44.052 --> 00:38:47.044
you purposely drop them together, and

845
00:38:47.068 --> 00:38:50.068
you purposely it's kind of. And now you're doing a week

846
00:38:50.100 --> 00:38:52.716
to week drop, so there's no binging.

847
00:38:52.884 --> 00:38:55.476
So you have to have a well

848
00:38:55.564 --> 00:38:58.300
crafted episodes so that viewers

849
00:38:58.356 --> 00:39:00.868
can suddenly not only know the

850
00:39:00.900 --> 00:39:03.820
characters, learn about the world, start

851
00:39:03.876 --> 00:39:06.312
the story, but also just

852
00:39:06.932 --> 00:39:09.468
develop some trust that the

853
00:39:09.500 --> 00:39:12.348
writers know what they're doing, which I don't

854
00:39:12.380 --> 00:39:13.592
really know if they do.

855
00:39:14.172 --> 00:39:17.172
>> Will: Yeah. I mean, that's, that's. Those are all. Those are all fair

856
00:39:17.212 --> 00:39:20.164
points. I mean, those are some of the clear up

857
00:39:20.188 --> 00:39:22.876
some of the works that are, that are on

858
00:39:23.004 --> 00:39:25.862
this show. as far as, just like you said,

859
00:39:25.902 --> 00:39:28.750
as we said earlier, I mean, I think whatever, you

860
00:39:28.806 --> 00:39:31.806
pointed out the biggie and that one of the big quibbles I

861
00:39:31.814 --> 00:39:34.608
had with it, too, was just how they, they

862
00:39:34.640 --> 00:39:37.472
wrote Saul, 1 minute, believe

863
00:39:37.512 --> 00:39:40.416
in one thing, and then two minutes later saying something

864
00:39:40.464 --> 00:39:43.252
completely, it's like, oh, yeah, believe me now. So,

865
00:39:43.752 --> 00:39:44.272
yeah.

866
00:39:44.352 --> 00:39:46.872
>> Sarah : And I feel like he did that again in the second

867
00:39:46.952 --> 00:39:49.624
episode, but to a lesser

868
00:39:49.688 --> 00:39:52.218
extent. it just. I don't know. There's something about

869
00:39:52.290 --> 00:39:55.058
him where if you told me

870
00:39:55.250 --> 00:39:57.610
during the fire, he got,

871
00:39:57.666 --> 00:40:00.466
like, he hit his head, and so he

872
00:40:00.514 --> 00:40:03.066
honestly doesn't remember, and so he'll just

873
00:40:03.114 --> 00:40:05.970
believe whatever Osha tells him.

874
00:40:06.106 --> 00:40:06.782
Yeah.

875
00:40:07.522 --> 00:40:10.342
>> Will: Sounds good to me. That make. That makes sense. Yeah.

876
00:40:11.802 --> 00:40:14.066
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

877
00:40:14.154 --> 00:40:17.130
What were some of the. Okay, so I know. I know

878
00:40:17.226 --> 00:40:19.502
we have spent a lot of time on.

879
00:40:20.292 --> 00:40:22.912
I think we both agree that the writing

880
00:40:23.412 --> 00:40:26.374
is, thus definitely has its problems, to say

881
00:40:26.398 --> 00:40:28.964
the least. even to the point where we get

882
00:40:29.044 --> 00:40:31.684
this, like, throwing us crosswires in our inner

883
00:40:31.724 --> 00:40:34.052
analysis here a couple times. But,

884
00:40:34.058 --> 00:40:36.940
What were some things you did like about it? I mean, as far as you

885
00:40:36.956 --> 00:40:39.392
know? I know there was no sand. And that's a plus.

886
00:40:39.932 --> 00:40:42.260
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. There was no sand.

887
00:40:42.396 --> 00:40:42.900
>> Will: Yeah.

888
00:40:42.996 --> 00:40:45.768
>> Sarah : I watched it. yeah. I mean,

889
00:40:45.832 --> 00:40:47.316
it was. It was fine.

890
00:40:51.176 --> 00:40:52.836
>> Will: Just the fact that's practical

891
00:40:53.616 --> 00:40:56.232
sets. Yeah. I mean, nothing, like, stood out for

892
00:40:56.264 --> 00:40:56.624
you.

893
00:40:56.720 --> 00:40:59.680
>> Sarah : Nothing, m will stand out for me. It's like, oh, my God,

894
00:40:59.712 --> 00:41:02.656
I can't believe they did that or that was

895
00:41:02.680 --> 00:41:05.568
a really interesting moment or because

896
00:41:05.656 --> 00:41:08.416
everything else was just like, okay,

897
00:41:08.520 --> 00:41:11.296
yeah, cool. It's

898
00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:13.970
just. No, no, I.

899
00:41:14.152 --> 00:41:17.086
And it's not like I. It's. I'm not saying I

900
00:41:17.110 --> 00:41:19.798
hated every single minute of it. I'm just

901
00:41:19.846 --> 00:41:22.686
saying nothing, like, stood out to

902
00:41:22.710 --> 00:41:23.230
me.

903
00:41:23.382 --> 00:41:26.208
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. yeah, that's fair. I mean,

904
00:41:26.264 --> 00:41:29.048
it's. It's. It's an average. It was an

905
00:41:29.064 --> 00:41:31.866
average start, and, you would probably

906
00:41:31.898 --> 00:41:33.510
say below average start.

907
00:41:33.810 --> 00:41:36.490
>> Sarah : I was going to say, like, c minus, d

908
00:41:36.530 --> 00:41:39.512
plus, you know, like, somewhere around there.

909
00:41:39.626 --> 00:41:42.548
>> Will: Yeah, that's. That's where I. That's where I fell on it, to be honest. It was

910
00:41:42.564 --> 00:41:43.556
a c plus.

911
00:41:43.748 --> 00:41:46.160
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, well, I could see minus.

912
00:41:50.380 --> 00:41:51.108
Yeah.

913
00:41:51.244 --> 00:41:51.940
>> Will: Yeah.

914
00:41:52.100 --> 00:41:55.028
>> Sarah : Anything. Anything else you want to talk about back,

915
00:41:55.084 --> 00:41:57.972
like, because. No, no, I'm

916
00:41:57.996 --> 00:41:59.676
kind of out of it.

917
00:41:59.868 --> 00:42:02.868
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. No, I think we. I think

918
00:42:03.044 --> 00:42:06.012
we have covered it pretty well tonight. So, we'll

919
00:42:06.036 --> 00:42:08.550
see. We'll see if it, gains any

920
00:42:08.670 --> 00:42:11.542
points next week with episode three with a Wookiee Jedi, which

921
00:42:11.566 --> 00:42:14.526
is pretty exciting. but,

922
00:42:14.476 --> 00:42:17.340
yeah, I think we can put a bow on the

923
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:19.100
first two episodes.

924
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:20.432
>> Sarah : Yep.

925
00:42:20.536 --> 00:42:23.536
All right. On that note, will, why don't you tell your listeners where they can

926
00:42:23.568 --> 00:42:24.328
find you?

927
00:42:24.464 --> 00:42:27.448
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on X, formally known as Twitter,

928
00:42:27.504 --> 00:42:28.576
at Will and Polk

929
00:42:28.608 --> 00:42:31.146
Willmpolk.

930
00:42:31.288 --> 00:42:33.790
>> Sarah : And you can find me there, too, at SJ Belmont,

931
00:42:33.830 --> 00:42:36.622
sjblmt. Please follow our crew

932
00:42:36.766 --> 00:42:39.686
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933
00:42:39.718 --> 00:42:42.062
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934
00:42:42.126 --> 00:42:44.582
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935
00:42:44.646 --> 00:42:47.566
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936
00:42:47.678 --> 00:42:50.166
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937
00:42:50.198 --> 00:42:53.150
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938
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