X-Men '97 Xtravaganza Episodes 4-7 and Goodbye MCU on Disney+?!

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>> Sarah : Greetings, nerds. This is Scene N nerd. I'm your host, Sara Belmont. And with me,

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as always, is our mister producer, Will Paul How are you doing tonight.

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Will.

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>> Will: Doing very well, Sarah How you doing this evening?

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>> Sarah : I'm doing good. It's been interesting

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here because we finally got, like,

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some warmth, some heat, walking

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out of work today, and it started

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raining, which is not a

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bad thing because we get wildfires here, too. So.

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Yeah, like, I kind of. I'm

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grateful for the rain when it comes because

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of fire, season, so.

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>> Will: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. My. In my day

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job, I work with a lot of folks from the

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western states and even Alaska. And,

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yeah, fire season is something that, is

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always top of mind with those. With my

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colleagues.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, definitely. All right, we

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have. We're gonna do the X Men

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extravagant Anza and get to four

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episodes and break them down. probably

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three and a half

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that first one. Anyway,

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before we do that, we got. We got

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a bunch of news, that

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are not actually. I don't know if it's a bunch of news. It's

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just, like, a lot of, like, just

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statements.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I know we. I know we recorded

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early last week, so it was, like, prior to the, a lot of

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the upfronts.

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>> Sarah : Yeah.

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>> Will: And so things that we probably. If we had waited till the end of the week,

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we probably would have gotten some of these items

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out of the way. But, But, you know, just, I

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took a. Took your lead and, like, had a general news

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section in the Marvel news section was highlighted, so.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, I appreciate that. and the first bit of

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news is that Mister and misses Smith season

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two is a go on

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Amazon, but without Donald

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Glover and Maya Erskine. So it'll be more

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of an anthology series,

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as we'll get a new John and

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Jane, with season two, which then it just

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begs the question, who do you cast?

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, that was what I was thinking as well. as far

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as the next round of characters.

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and who knows? I think the showrunner

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did tease, at the fact that we may

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get some resolution to what happened, or they may,

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or they may not. But Donald Glover is, even though

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he's not acting in the show, he is going to be returning as a

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producer. And, and, Francesca Sloan, who was the

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showrunner, is going to be back for the second season. But that's a great question.

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Who do you cast as the next John and Jane?

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And it kind of teased it in,

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this idea and in the first season

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for folks who.

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>> Sarah : Absolutely. I mean, we watched the show,

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we broke it down. For those who listen to us, they know

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the tease and. And it makes sense why you

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would do that and why you also wouldn't come

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out and say, like,

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yeah, you could get

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resolution, maybe, but we're not

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promising it'll happen in this season. And if we get a season

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three, you might get it in season three.

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Like, it's a. It's a well crafted

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card to have up your. Up your sleeve

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to, especially for people who have watched the first

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season and would like resolution to that

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story as like

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a. Well, if you watch the second season, then maybe you will

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get what you're looking for. And if you don't, you could

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get in the next one because it's. It's a

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card that they. That they'll just keep. And when

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it. When it makes sense to play it, they'll play it.

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Then when they do, that'll be a whole different conversation.

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But it's, It, I

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like the idea.

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>> Sarah : It'll just very much depend on the

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chemistry of whoever they end up casting for

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John and Jane.

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>> Will: Exactly. Because the chemistry, I mean, Mister

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misses Smith group on Facebook and, you know, the fan reaction was

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right down the middle sentiment that you just shared. But also,

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a lot of people were there stare for Donald and Maya.

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>> Sarah : So, yeah, I mean, we.

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When we broke down the episodes, we mainly talked about

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their dynamic, how they were playing these

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characters. It, like the. It was

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a good story, but it also. It

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wasn't. It wasn't on par with some of the other stuff

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we watched and, like, raved about, if I'm

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being honest, in terms of plot.

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So, yeah. So, yeah, which.

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Which. That brings us to the other one because we'll

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love this show.

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>> Will: Unapologetically.

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>> Sarah : And so showgun got renewed for second and

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third season. I think everyone

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kind of saw that coming, considering how.

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How much of a hit it has

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been for, for all parties

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involved. So,

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I mean, we got resolution in that story, but we'll

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see what more resolution will come.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So, I think as we talked

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about last week, whenever, we got word that,

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Hiroyuki Sanada resigned to the

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series to produce and maybe

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act, we also saw where they

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were making the move from limited series to drama

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series for the Emmys because now that

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succession, is gone, everybody has an open shot of

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winning. So. But also the show

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was great. And, But, yeah, it is very interesting

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that they are, going to go

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off book. So they are

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working with FX and the producers are working

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with the, estate of James Cleveland to

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maybe produce some of his other books in his asian

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sagas, or they may come up with an original story.

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So we'll see what happens there.

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>> Sarah : And also, the

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other show we were covering somewhat

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simultaneously with Shogun was three body

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problem, which it has also been announced that it's been

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renewed on Netvilix for

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now, correct me if I'm wrong, will for a full

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second season and then an undetermined amount

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of episodes to conclude the

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series as a whole.

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>> Will: That's correct. And, Ben

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othenweiss and Alexander Wu,

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even further clarified that because it was so murky,

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like, does this mean? What does this mean?

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>> Sarah : Right.

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>> Will: And so they did share that, the additional

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episodes, they made a point to say

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that Netflix has promised seasons,

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so and so. So

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we know at least get a second, probably a

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third. I think I read an interview somewhere before where they were

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hoping to get three to five seasons to really tell the

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story. So, we'll just see what happens. the

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thing is, it's probably not going to be. It's going to be a while before we

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get our. The second season of the show, because it

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took them four years to even get the first

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season to do

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production and through writing and everything. And

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they said it might take them three years to work on the next

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script. So. So it's going to be a minute before

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we, Before we get the show.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, well, it's going to be 400 years until the

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aliens arrive, so.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah, we got a little bit of time.

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>> Sarah : We all got time. We all got time.

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and then. And then just a lot of Marvel

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news. Agatha long

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will drop on September 18.

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and, we'll be covering that when it

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does.

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>> Will: Yeah, it'll be the first two episodes, and it has a

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non episode season.

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>> Sarah : Yep. And then fast forward

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to March 2025, when

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Daredevil born again will,

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will drop. And,

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we watched Echo.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Which was semi daredevil. Yeah.

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>> Will: And also Hawkeye with Fisk was in that one

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as well, so.

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>> Sarah : True, true. But. But dared.

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But Daredevil didn't appear in Hawkeye.

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>> Will: True, true.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. echo had the first

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sequence with Daredevil for you, so.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

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>> Sarah : And. And we're getting Karen, we're

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getting punisher.

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yep.

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>> Will: We're getting foggy.

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>> Sarah : We're. We're getting foggy.

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>> Will: Yeah. yeah. Apparently at the. Up front last week, they

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did show a trailer, that hasn't been released

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to the public, obviously, but please not.

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>> Sarah : Release that for at least, like, another three months. My

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God. It's not coming out until March. And, yeah, there already

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plenty speculation about what this story arc is going

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to be from the, from the comics.

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And so I think a lot of us have to mentally prepare

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ourselves for that. and also,

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like, it's too soon. Too

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soon to be dropping trailers, but definitely,

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excited about that. Hopefully they don't screw it

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up, you

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know, like, DC. I mean,

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not DC, but Disney plus shows have been

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hit and miss for everyone across the board.

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And it's. It's just, it's been a

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roller coaster. I mean, we love the

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content. Don't get us wrong. We love the content.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : At the same time, consistency is

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also nice.

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>> Will: Yeah. That gets to, I guess, one of the things that

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did also come out this week. I know. well, since

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we're already here, as far as with the Disney

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plus shows and, and everything, they did decide

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to rebrand the

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Disney plus shows as Marvel

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television. And also,

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the things like X Men and what if

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and other things are now going to be under the Marvel

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animation hat. And the basic reason

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why they did this was because they recognized

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some of what you just said and also the fact that

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it's become almost a barrier to entry for some new

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fans for these franchises, especially given

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that, you know, there's been 46

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MCU projects at this point. And, you

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shows out there, they were like, oh, yeah, it's all interconnected.

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So now they're softening that interconnection so that

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people can choose what they want to watch,

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and not feel like you have

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to watch XYZ shows so that, you know,

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it will show up again in XYZ movie. So

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they, they are. That's part of the Marvel rebrand

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that, that the studios, announced this week.

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Oh, yeah. And they also still have the spotlight, too, which daredevil will

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be a part of the Marvel spotlight, like Echo was.

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>> Sarah : Yeah, well, obviously we're paying

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attention to what happened to HBO or even Twitter.

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I mean, we still call those things like

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rebrand all you want.

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It's going to take a while until I start calling you Marvel

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Entertainment or spotlight. You

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don't understand. You're. I clicked the app that says

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Disney plus. You're a Disney plus show.

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>> Will: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And they spent so

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many years, like, conditioning it.

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>> Sarah : exactly. Yes.

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>> Will: For this. Yeah, yeah. For them to reverse course

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like this. Well, it's. You're right. It's going to take.

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>> Sarah : It's going to take a minute, but

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a fad. And I don't appreciate it,

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because what else is next? What? What, McDonald's

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is gonna rebrand the Big

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Mac and what, like, they're just gonna be

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m. Yeah. Okay, so

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you're talking about McDonald's.

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I don't understand it. I don't. I don't get it. You put

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yourself out there, and then you're stuck with that name

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for life. Okay.

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>> Will: Yep.

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>> Sarah : Exactly.

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>> Will: Exactly.

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>> Sarah : But to go back to Disney plus shows,

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another one is that it was confirmed that

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in 2025, Ironheart will

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drop. And what if will end

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with season three now, is season three going to drop next

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year?

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>> Will: it has not been announced when it's going

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to drop, but it will be the only thing that we know for

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certain that, it will be the next Marvel animation project to

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drop. So I know there's a couple other things that are out there as far as I

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think there's a Black Panther Wakanda series, and

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there's, the spider, man first year

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animation project that was announced. But,

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what if it's going to be the next one in the queue?

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>> Sarah : Yeah. On the animation side

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and on the live action side, I would

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assume a new untitled Vision series is

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coming in 2026, with Paul

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Bettany to return as the character. And Star

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Trek Picard showrunner Terry

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. So that was. Yeah.

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because on the one hand, Terry Metallis, as

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And that third season of Star Trek, Picard,

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universally, was, was praised

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by, by everyone, because of what he did

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turn into that, turning that

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series around. Because by

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the end of that. End of that second season of Picard, I was ready. I

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was just done, with it, because it was just so underwhelming.

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very artful showrunner, very great

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storyteller. He also, was a showrunner for twelve

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Monkeys, which I know a lot of fans are, a lot

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of folks are fans of that series as well.

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announced a showrunner for, for this untitled Vision show,

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I was like, all right, all right. My geekdom

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has collided. But on the downside, I know a lot

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of Star Trek fans are excited about, one of the

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things that did come out of Star Trek Picard was a call

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for a new show called Star Trek Legacy.

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saying he can't do it, but, you know, it'll.

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Paramount still has to even greenlight that. But a

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lot of fans have been wanting that show to, want that show to continue

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the new, new generation that was. That

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was spun off from, third season of Star Trek Picard.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this

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show is apparently coming in 2026,

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which means 2028.

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have we gone over that have been announced with a

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director, with a showrunner, and then by the time it

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drops, it's gone through at least two changes.

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>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. And it's not lost on me that this time last

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year, we were just getting started with the writer

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strike. And, you know, and when you look at 2026,

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I mean, that's gonna be another labor year. So, I mean,

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obviously, they'll probably start filming and producing this show in

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2025, so I don't think that'll impact it.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Like, just when you think

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things are getting back to whatever normal is these

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days in 2024, you

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know, things happen, and then it's just one obstacle

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after another. So. So until

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we see it, who knows what will happen?

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and the last bit of news is, X Men

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film is an early development, which

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I feel like it's been an early development for at least

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three or four years, because I think it was

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teased a long time ago that MCU was finally going to

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do X Men, quote unquote justice.

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and Marvel Studios has hired

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Michael Leslie to pen the

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script. Who is Michael Leslie? Why should I know that

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name?

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>> Will: Yes, you should know that name. He just recently was

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the screenwriter for the latest Hunger

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Games film. The father of Songbird and

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Snakes was his most recent, recent project.

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Marvel, with, I, think, some of the

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Fox Marvel films back in the day with, the X

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Men there. So he and some other projects.

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So, I don't know if that.

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>> Sarah : Bodes well for Michael. Yeah,

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no, I mean, that's

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another movie. And we were talking about this during,

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like, pre show.

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that's another movie. I kept seeing the trailer, and I

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swear, whoever the

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actor who played,

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snow in it, he, he was

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all over my for you page on TikTok

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for at least, like, two weeks during promotion,

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and I was so tempted. But by the time I watched all

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those TikToks I felt like I had already seen the movies,

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so whatever.

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>> Will: But yeah, let me correct. Yeah, let me correct

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myself. He wasn't a part of the early x Men films. He was, but

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he did do Assassin's Creed, and Macbeth. That's what it

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was.

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>> Sarah : You're not doing this guy any

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favor.

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I don't know.

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>> Will: Yeah, there was, there was somebody else, there was another producer that was

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thinking about, when I mentioned that, the X Men stuff.

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But, But, yeah, but, yeah, proceed.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. So, well, I

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mean, you never know. There's plenty

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of writers, screenwriters and

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directors who, if you look at their

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filmography, you go,

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how can the same person who wrote this trash

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write this epic? So it

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all depends on his

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familiarity with the characters, what

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the plan is for this story,

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and overall execution. So, I

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mean, it's, we're in early days here if they're

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just finding the person to actually pen the script.

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So we'll probably see this in 2030.

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>> Will: Yeah, yeah. And it'll probably, yeah. I was listening

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to Jeff Snyder and Roka talk about this on their

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show, too, because Snyder had mentioned him.

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And one other person is the finalist

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for the X Men script. So Jeff Snyder was

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thinking that, yeah, he'll, Michael Leslie will get

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the first pass, and the other person that

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Marvel was considering, he'll get the second pass to clean it

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up well.

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>> Sarah : And then the director will come in and do whatever the director

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wants to do with that script.

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>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : Because there are a lot of screenwriters who say, like,

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yeah, I wrote that, but watching the

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movie, I probably can say only 10%

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actually made it into the film because directors have,

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their whole vision and, and then actors

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come up with things. So it's, it's a big

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team production. So we'll, we'll

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see. I mean, X Men is

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the property itself is kind

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of reviving. With X Men

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97, people are

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going back in time what it feels like

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good old nostalgia of the nineties

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comic comic tv

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genre. and it's

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nice. and that leads us to the main topic of

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tonight, which we're going to go through. X Men

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97 episodes four through

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seven.

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>> Will: We're making up for lost time, y'all.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. And we're also being

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strategic because we knew that the last three

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episodes are part one, part two, part three. So we're

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just going to save those for next week so we can

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watch all of them together. Not like you week to week

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folks who had to wait a week in between. Haha.

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but no. So let's get started.

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On my least favorite of the four

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episodes, because, my God,

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this episode. Oh, my God, it was so

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stupid. Motendo and life and death part

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one. Really, it's about. What would

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you say? Well, like, 20 minutes of Motendo?

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>> Will: Yeah. yeah, yeah. It was my least favorite,

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too. I mean, well, let me say this. Half of it

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was. Well, 20% of it was my least

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favorite. The life death part one

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part I got locked back in. But,

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that's just my initial thought.

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>> Sarah : See, that's being generous, because I could. I'm

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pretty sure the life death part one

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was a good five to maybe ten minutes. And

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that's pushing it. Like, majority of

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this was Jubilee and

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Roberto getting stuck in a video game.

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Motendo. And then.

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And just. And just an after school special

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about how Jubilee, on her birthday,

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needs and is. And is acting

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out and frustrated with all the quote unquote

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adults. She

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has to learn the value of life

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and that life is to take risk and chances and

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all this stuff. Oh, my God. And you know what really irritates

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me? I don't believe we were ever

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told how old Jubilees Turdy

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in this episode.

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>> Will: Oh. As far as the digital replica.

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>> Sarah : No.

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>> Will: No. Oh,

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okay. Yeah, yeah. I thought it was pretty clear that she was

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turning 18.

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>> Sarah : Oh, well, I missed that part because I fell

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asleep during majority of the sessions.

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>> Will: Yeah. I mean, I thought it was her 18th

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birthday. And, I mean, you

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know, let me put it this way. I mean, it wasn't that I didn't like

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it. It was just Jubilee, as far as characters,

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for me, is. Is one that I can

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just, I've never really been drawn towards.

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So it was. This was a hard episode for me

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to watch, especially

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where we. Where things kind of were left

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at the end of episode three.

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>> Sarah : That's the thing. It's. It's just like,

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wait a second. We. We're just

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ending with the, Scott and

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Jean giving up their child,

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and then we're start here. We're

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starting here. But

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I also understand,

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because

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based on, things, that happen during the next few

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episodes, I mean, really, it's

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the overall theme, I think, is

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important in terms of the events that

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follow. But they could have done

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this in so many different ways, and it just

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was. It was not. It was

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not. They didn't write this portion

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of the episode thinking that,

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yes, this is an animated show

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based off of something in the nineties. Your

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target audience. I'm sorry. Is

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not young children.

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Your target audience for this show are

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actually millennials.

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>> Will: So.

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>> Sarah : Yeah. Like, because

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nostalgia 101. And it just, it

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didn't hit. It. It didn't hit

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their target demographic. They were

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writing low.

508
00:23:12.507 --> 00:23:15.051
>> Will: So, yeah, I mean, there were, the

509
00:23:15.075 --> 00:23:18.003
nostalgia beats did hit for me because I mean, when I saw them at

510
00:23:18.051 --> 00:23:20.763
Matendo station, I did kind of chuckle, you know, Gen X

511
00:23:20.811 --> 00:23:23.603
are here and so, you know,

512
00:23:23.691 --> 00:23:26.319
remember the OG stations and

513
00:23:26.739 --> 00:23:28.999
play, you know, contemporarily playing,

514
00:23:29.065 --> 00:23:31.653
Nintendo system that looked like that. So,

515
00:23:31.809 --> 00:23:34.445
so there were, like I said, there were parts of the episode. That

516
00:23:34.485 --> 00:23:37.061
part. Those elements did work for

517
00:23:37.093 --> 00:23:39.933
me. I do think the lessons

518
00:23:39.989 --> 00:23:42.525
that Magneto was trying to share with

519
00:23:42.565 --> 00:23:45.251
her, to your point, were sort of

520
00:23:45.283 --> 00:23:48.091
a early, foreshadowing of what was

521
00:23:48.123 --> 00:23:50.667
to come as far as, you

522
00:23:50.691 --> 00:23:53.651
know, as far as in

523
00:23:53.723 --> 00:23:56.589
episode five. But, So I think

524
00:23:56.621 --> 00:23:59.535
it was, it was sort of. So when you look at

525
00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:02.055
it in the whole, especially when

526
00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:05.039
you're. I think if I had watched

527
00:24:05.071 --> 00:24:07.863
this episode week to week instead of back

528
00:24:07.903 --> 00:24:10.551
to back, I probably would have been

529
00:24:10.687 --> 00:24:13.575
probably less charitable than

530
00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:15.799
I am now. Because.

531
00:24:16.139 --> 00:24:18.931
Well, yeah, because, you know, now I, you

532
00:24:18.955 --> 00:24:21.779
know, I was able to, you know, binge them.

533
00:24:21.819 --> 00:24:23.199
So I. It was.

534
00:24:24.869 --> 00:24:26.397
I see where they were going.

535
00:24:26.573 --> 00:24:28.249
>> Sarah : Yeah. It's a different experience,

536
00:24:29.309 --> 00:24:32.085
like binging things versus

537
00:24:32.197 --> 00:24:33.173
week to week.

538
00:24:33.301 --> 00:24:33.701
>> Will: Yeah.

539
00:24:33.765 --> 00:24:36.589
>> Sarah : And, and of course, your response

540
00:24:36.629 --> 00:24:39.525
and reaction to the story will

541
00:24:39.597 --> 00:24:42.541
be different because week

542
00:24:42.565 --> 00:24:45.357
to week, you, you have yet to see what,

543
00:24:45.413 --> 00:24:48.265
what else, unfolds after that. And, and

544
00:24:48.313 --> 00:24:51.073
if it leaves a distaste in your mouth that's going to

545
00:24:51.097 --> 00:24:54.039
last longer then. Oh, and then right after this, I'm going to

546
00:24:54.055 --> 00:24:56.103
go into the very next episode which

547
00:24:56.287 --> 00:24:59.025
like, completely, overshadows the

548
00:24:59.049 --> 00:25:00.545
events of the previous. So.

549
00:25:00.649 --> 00:25:02.453
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. Which.

550
00:25:03.913 --> 00:25:06.585
Yeah, I was going to say the storm pieces. You know, it

551
00:25:06.609 --> 00:25:09.145
was. It was interesting

552
00:25:09.169 --> 00:25:12.129
juxtaposition with this episode as far as. As far

553
00:25:12.161 --> 00:25:14.573
as just jubilees. Kind of like,

554
00:25:15.673 --> 00:25:18.173
oh, maybe spoiled or like,

555
00:25:19.953 --> 00:25:22.801
I guess, you know, what you're seeing what storm is going through as far

556
00:25:22.817 --> 00:25:25.753
as loss of powers and meeting up with forge and,

557
00:25:25.913 --> 00:25:28.749
and, And all

558
00:25:28.885 --> 00:25:31.797
it was, I see where they were trying to

559
00:25:31.829 --> 00:25:34.333
go, but at the same time it was like.

560
00:25:34.477 --> 00:25:37.349
And again, I think it's just again, my, as a noted,

561
00:25:37.405 --> 00:25:40.389
my feelings about Jubilee to begin with, I'm

562
00:25:40.405 --> 00:25:43.285
just kind of like, yeah, ah. About the character. So I wasn't

563
00:25:43.333 --> 00:25:46.065
as invested in. I'm not invested in her story as

564
00:25:46.113 --> 00:25:49.113
whenever it turned to storm and what was going on with her, I was definitely was

565
00:25:49.137 --> 00:25:51.461
more engaged and more vested with that.

566
00:25:52.801 --> 00:25:55.761
>> Sarah : Yeah. I mean, you're, you're definitely being more

567
00:25:55.801 --> 00:25:58.521
charitable, which our listeners are used to than

568
00:25:58.561 --> 00:26:01.129
me because even though I

569
00:26:01.185 --> 00:26:04.073
like what they. The life death part

570
00:26:04.105 --> 00:26:07.097
of this, I don't even know if it was

571
00:26:07.137 --> 00:26:09.969
necessarily complimenting it because

572
00:26:10.073 --> 00:26:12.397
they just. It felt like it tacked on.

573
00:26:13.597 --> 00:26:16.437
It felt like an after credit sequence, like a tease

574
00:26:16.517 --> 00:26:19.001
for what's to come. because a was so

575
00:26:19.065 --> 00:26:21.949
short, but also was just

576
00:26:22.609 --> 00:26:25.529
very different because what storm

577
00:26:25.569 --> 00:26:28.433
is going through in terms of the loss

578
00:26:28.481 --> 00:26:31.233
of her powers and then meeting

579
00:26:31.321 --> 00:26:34.233
forge and. And

580
00:26:34.281 --> 00:26:37.201
the tease of the emotional

581
00:26:37.305 --> 00:26:40.067
trauma that was occurring with storm

582
00:26:40.203 --> 00:26:42.843
during this moment that you don't really even

583
00:26:42.891 --> 00:26:45.291
understand until you get to part

584
00:26:45.355 --> 00:26:48.137
two. and then the only

585
00:26:48.233 --> 00:26:51.185
part connection that seemed like, okay, I'm

586
00:26:51.217 --> 00:26:53.849
still watching the same show was

587
00:26:53.889 --> 00:26:55.709
really when the owl came.

588
00:26:56.009 --> 00:26:56.789
>> Will: Yeah.

589
00:26:57.369 --> 00:27:00.189
>> Sarah : Which is this whole other thing.

590
00:27:00.569 --> 00:27:03.531
Freaking owls. but

591
00:27:03.555 --> 00:27:05.639
it's also interesting because

592
00:27:06.459 --> 00:27:09.291
last week when. When we were talking about X

593
00:27:09.315 --> 00:27:12.139
Men, we've talked about how and. Or the last two

594
00:27:12.179 --> 00:27:14.699
weeks talking about the first two episodes, we've talked about

595
00:27:14.739 --> 00:27:17.239
how they. They

596
00:27:18.659 --> 00:27:21.459
have a full episode and then

597
00:27:21.499 --> 00:27:24.051
they always leave us on like a. Somewhat of a

598
00:27:24.075 --> 00:27:26.791
cliffhanger. Yeah. and

599
00:27:26.815 --> 00:27:29.695
they. They kind of did that with this episode, but

600
00:27:29.727 --> 00:27:32.291
they also started leaning

601
00:27:32.355 --> 00:27:33.479
more into,

602
00:27:35.389 --> 00:27:38.301
And hold this thought, because we're going to

603
00:27:38.325 --> 00:27:41.197
talk about something else and then we're going to come

604
00:27:41.253 --> 00:27:44.221
back to it because the next episode, episode five is

605
00:27:44.245 --> 00:27:47.069
called remember it. We're not getting part two of

606
00:27:47.109 --> 00:27:49.249
life and death until episode six.

607
00:27:50.749 --> 00:27:53.661
And I also think because we're binging this all

608
00:27:53.685 --> 00:27:56.677
at once, we already know that. I can only imagine

609
00:27:56.733 --> 00:27:57.329
if.

610
00:28:00.649 --> 00:28:03.329
Wait a second. What? I'm sorry. You

611
00:28:03.369 --> 00:28:06.349
started something. Why aren't you finishing it?

612
00:28:06.689 --> 00:28:08.469
What's going on here?

613
00:28:10.019 --> 00:28:12.915
but we can't talk about life and death,

614
00:28:12.865 --> 00:28:15.281
part two because we got to talk about. Remember it

615
00:28:15.305 --> 00:28:18.229
first, which this episode,

616
00:28:19.209 --> 00:28:22.123
for people who have watched this series, probably

617
00:28:22.179 --> 00:28:25.019
have been waiting for us to get to this episode because this

618
00:28:25.067 --> 00:28:27.963
episode, I swear, anybody who's watched the show

619
00:28:28.059 --> 00:28:30.897
always talks about it. And I'm gonna. I'm

620
00:28:30.921 --> 00:28:33.633
gonna make everyone really pissed off right now

621
00:28:33.769 --> 00:28:36.465
when I say this is my

622
00:28:36.505 --> 00:28:39.489
issue. Y'all hyped it up,

623
00:28:39.657 --> 00:28:42.657
and so my expectations were high. And

624
00:28:42.681 --> 00:28:45.049
so, did the episode meet my expectations?

625
00:28:45.177 --> 00:28:45.845
No,

626
00:28:47.745 --> 00:28:50.593
because. And I, like,

627
00:28:50.689 --> 00:28:53.545
I did think about this after watching

628
00:28:53.585 --> 00:28:56.387
everything on Sunday, but it's

629
00:28:56.411 --> 00:28:59.411
the same reason why I

630
00:28:59.443 --> 00:29:01.915
don't think if you were ever to watch

631
00:29:01.955 --> 00:29:04.811
succession, knowing what you know about

632
00:29:04.843 --> 00:29:07.535
the final season and episode three in particular,

633
00:29:07.875 --> 00:29:10.747
it's not going to have the same effect on you that it

634
00:29:10.771 --> 00:29:13.091
did on me watching it real time.

635
00:29:13.243 --> 00:29:13.955
>> Will: Yeah.

636
00:29:14.115 --> 00:29:16.755
>> Sarah : And it was designed purposely for

637
00:29:16.795 --> 00:29:19.523
that. This is where I kind of

638
00:29:19.579 --> 00:29:22.179
wish we had watched the series from the get

639
00:29:22.227 --> 00:29:25.117
go because then episode five would have hit

640
00:29:25.141 --> 00:29:27.869
me in a very different way. Very different

641
00:29:27.917 --> 00:29:30.545
way. I was kind of expecting

642
00:29:30.925 --> 00:29:33.805
for something major to happen in

643
00:29:33.845 --> 00:29:36.605
episode five. And I also

644
00:29:36.685 --> 00:29:39.477
was kind of expecting for something to happen

645
00:29:39.541 --> 00:29:42.475
with, with, rogue, magneto

646
00:29:42.775 --> 00:29:45.735
and gambit. So, so,

647
00:29:45.731 --> 00:29:48.453
and, but I can see, but I also

648
00:29:48.509 --> 00:29:51.461
understand why people had this reaction because when

649
00:29:51.493 --> 00:29:54.389
you're watching in real time, especially coming, coming off

650
00:29:54.477 --> 00:29:57.349
after the fourth episode, to then sit

651
00:29:57.397 --> 00:30:00.365
down and watch this episode and specifically the

652
00:30:00.405 --> 00:30:02.861
final sequence. Yeah.

653
00:30:03.013 --> 00:30:05.665
That would be like, whoa,

654
00:30:06.965 --> 00:30:09.779
this is amazing. But no, my

655
00:30:09.827 --> 00:30:12.659
expectations, like, it didn't hit me like

656
00:30:12.707 --> 00:30:15.499
that. Was it good? Absolutely. Was

657
00:30:15.547 --> 00:30:17.895
I like, oh, my God. No,

658
00:30:19.115 --> 00:30:20.657
I really wasn't.

659
00:30:20.851 --> 00:30:23.341
>> Will: Yeah. That I, I could

660
00:30:23.533 --> 00:30:25.825
actually, you know what? I'm a co sign what you just said.

661
00:30:26.631 --> 00:30:28.235
>> Sarah : Thank you. Thank you.

662
00:30:28.395 --> 00:30:30.975
>> Will: It, it's, still.

663
00:30:32.275 --> 00:30:33.691
It was still impactful.

664
00:30:33.843 --> 00:30:34.219
>> Sarah : Yeah.

665
00:30:34.267 --> 00:30:36.055
>> Will: But for different. But for different reasons.

666
00:30:37.695 --> 00:30:40.271
and for me, it

667
00:30:40.303 --> 00:30:43.039
was, yeah, I did, you know,

668
00:30:43.087 --> 00:30:45.715
clearly, you know, I remember

669
00:30:46.145 --> 00:30:49.097
real remember like try to make a conscious

670
00:30:49.161 --> 00:30:52.113
decision not to like get spoiled with the show because I

671
00:30:52.129 --> 00:30:55.045
didn't. I knew we were going to cover it later.

672
00:30:55.865 --> 00:30:58.445
And, so, you know, saw the buzz about episode

673
00:30:58.485 --> 00:31:01.349
five and then, you know, and then finally

674
00:31:01.397 --> 00:31:04.165
watching it, it hit me. It hit me in the sense

675
00:31:04.205 --> 00:31:06.865
that I just think about

676
00:31:07.405 --> 00:31:10.165
the, what the intent

677
00:31:10.245 --> 00:31:12.385
of that episode was for.

678
00:31:13.025 --> 00:31:16.017
And I think it hit me in a sense that I

679
00:31:16.041 --> 00:31:18.485
was with seeing the geonosians,

680
00:31:19.421 --> 00:31:22.015
celebrating, life is

681
00:31:22.063 --> 00:31:24.887
good and we are finally going to

682
00:31:24.919 --> 00:31:27.903
accept it, et cetera, et cetera, blah,

683
00:31:27.927 --> 00:31:30.303
blah, blah. And then what happens,

684
00:31:30.367 --> 00:31:33.287
happens, I think hit me. It still hit

685
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:36.151
me in a way because it did take

686
00:31:36.191 --> 00:31:38.925
me to like, things that's

687
00:31:38.973 --> 00:31:41.621
happened in real life that I could relate

688
00:31:41.661 --> 00:31:44.401
to. And so

689
00:31:45.101 --> 00:31:48.075
I, had the wow factor for me, like,

690
00:31:48.123 --> 00:31:48.991
for that.

691
00:31:49.831 --> 00:31:52.737
>> Will: And, like, whoa, they went

692
00:31:52.769 --> 00:31:55.181
there kind of, you know, for me

693
00:31:55.761 --> 00:31:58.657
again, thinking about contemporary things that was going on in the world

694
00:31:58.689 --> 00:32:01.265
now, you know, things that happened in the past like the 911,

695
00:32:01.393 --> 00:32:04.089
pulse nightclub and other, you know,

696
00:32:04.225 --> 00:32:06.221
any, any events that,

697
00:32:06.841 --> 00:32:09.809
where people are specifically

698
00:32:09.865 --> 00:32:12.753
like sought out to, you know, be

699
00:32:12.777 --> 00:32:15.745
mad, you know, where here you had a genocide. I mean, let's just call it

700
00:32:15.753 --> 00:32:18.515
what it is. So it still

701
00:32:18.563 --> 00:32:21.411
resonated from that standpoint, but. Yeah, but to

702
00:32:21.451 --> 00:32:24.413
your point, I agree. it would have hit me a lot.

703
00:32:24.525 --> 00:32:27.517
It would have, it still hit me hard. But I think it would have hit me a lot

704
00:32:27.557 --> 00:32:30.435
differently. Harder in a different way, if I

705
00:32:30.531 --> 00:32:33.403
watched it when it premiered back, I guess, late first,

706
00:32:33.475 --> 00:32:36.331
early, mid April, I think, or late March.

707
00:32:36.419 --> 00:32:39.299
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And

708
00:32:39.363 --> 00:32:41.667
just not. Not having

709
00:32:41.827 --> 00:32:44.699
everyone kind of hype it up. Yeah.

710
00:32:44.803 --> 00:32:47.453
And it already being like, which, But

711
00:32:47.485 --> 00:32:49.417
I totally understand why.

712
00:32:51.397 --> 00:32:54.117
I mean, I. I understand why things

713
00:32:54.197 --> 00:32:57.035
go viral because if I

714
00:32:57.051 --> 00:32:58.767
was watching it in real time,

715
00:33:00.067 --> 00:33:02.835
I would have had a very different reaction,

716
00:33:02.891 --> 00:33:05.127
probably, to it now,

717
00:33:05.627 --> 00:33:08.527
I will say, I don't know

718
00:33:08.687 --> 00:33:09.747
how much.

719
00:33:11.727 --> 00:33:14.263
Okay, so we also know that I'm a

720
00:33:14.295 --> 00:33:16.707
big gambit and rogue

721
00:33:17.127 --> 00:33:19.791
shipper. I will have to say

722
00:33:19.879 --> 00:33:22.791
I have, like, so many different feelings about

723
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.773
this because they killed

724
00:33:25.805 --> 00:33:26.657
gambit,

725
00:33:27.637 --> 00:33:30.357
supposedly, which for

726
00:33:30.397 --> 00:33:33.381
some reason, like, that's the other thing, why I'm kind of

727
00:33:33.429 --> 00:33:36.029
like, yeah, but

728
00:33:36.213 --> 00:33:38.417
in the later episode, we

729
00:33:39.357 --> 00:33:42.309
find out Xavier's still alive, and then we

730
00:33:42.333 --> 00:33:44.725
find out also in a later episode that

731
00:33:44.821 --> 00:33:47.573
Magneto's still alive. So I'm

732
00:33:47.645 --> 00:33:50.589
starting to lose, like, like, stakes

733
00:33:50.653 --> 00:33:53.117
here, and I just. It just seems weird to kill

734
00:33:53.157 --> 00:33:56.049
him. But on top of that, I will have to

735
00:33:56.073 --> 00:33:58.905
admit the gambit and rogue that we're getting in

736
00:33:58.921 --> 00:34:01.077
this series is not my cup of tea.

737
00:34:01.423 --> 00:34:04.103
M. it's not like, for. I

738
00:34:04.215 --> 00:34:06.839
was praying that it would be very

739
00:34:06.903 --> 00:34:09.797
nostalgic for me because, the original series,

740
00:34:09.877 --> 00:34:12.137
I was all about them, but no, no.

741
00:34:13.597 --> 00:34:16.477
And I blame the writers because they decided to

742
00:34:16.517 --> 00:34:19.273
instead introduce Magneto. And

743
00:34:19.305 --> 00:34:22.081
then we have this whole magneto rogue thing. But they

744
00:34:22.129 --> 00:34:24.889
also are not developing this triangle very

745
00:34:24.953 --> 00:34:27.601
well, which. Which is just a crime.

746
00:34:27.689 --> 00:34:30.517
Okay. Because

747
00:34:31.497 --> 00:34:34.409
you got the triangle, and there's a lot of very

748
00:34:34.513 --> 00:34:37.425
well executed lines, well written lines

749
00:34:37.481 --> 00:34:40.257
in this episode that is triangling

750
00:34:40.337 --> 00:34:42.907
these three people. Triangulating

751
00:34:42.995 --> 00:34:45.839
them. However, my emotional

752
00:34:45.911 --> 00:34:48.723
connection is not there because it's.

753
00:34:49.263 --> 00:34:52.071
It's just so quick and so, like.

754
00:34:52.167 --> 00:34:54.783
But I. But I also understand why they don't need

755
00:34:54.863 --> 00:34:57.463
necessarily to have, like, have this

756
00:34:57.503 --> 00:35:00.399
all, like, this love triangles be stressed

757
00:35:00.431 --> 00:35:02.767
out around multiple episodes because,

758
00:35:02.855 --> 00:35:05.383
like, these characters have been around for

759
00:35:05.463 --> 00:35:06.231
decades.

760
00:35:06.367 --> 00:35:06.927
>> Will: Right.

761
00:35:07.055 --> 00:35:09.775
>> Sarah : We get it. We understand this backstory. We don't have to

762
00:35:09.799 --> 00:35:12.715
rehash it. But at, the same time, as a viewer,

763
00:35:15.125 --> 00:35:17.669
I, go back and forth on it. Like, I understand

764
00:35:17.797 --> 00:35:20.425
not rehashing, but you also,

765
00:35:21.205 --> 00:35:23.705
to really pull someone into

766
00:35:25.085 --> 00:35:27.437
having this conflict between these two

767
00:35:27.501 --> 00:35:28.105
people,

768
00:35:30.725 --> 00:35:33.719
there needs to be more. I was surprised

769
00:35:33.775 --> 00:35:36.407
by myself where I thought what was going on with Jean

770
00:35:36.439 --> 00:35:39.403
Grey and Scott was so much more interesting

771
00:35:39.467 --> 00:35:42.307
than what was going on with gnosha up until the final

772
00:35:42.379 --> 00:35:44.231
sequence occurs.

773
00:35:45.441 --> 00:35:48.441
and because of that, I just want to get this one other

774
00:35:48.481 --> 00:35:50.861
thing. Out before I forget it. On top of that,

775
00:35:51.327 --> 00:35:53.771
this is not my rogue right now, because

776
00:35:54.471 --> 00:35:56.907
I don't appreciate this whole idea of,

777
00:35:57.311 --> 00:36:00.007
So Magneto gives her this

778
00:36:00.047 --> 00:36:02.999
offer, basically, to become queen of Gnosha

779
00:36:03.023 --> 00:36:05.719
and rule by his side. So they're

780
00:36:05.743 --> 00:36:08.639
just, they're together. And then she goes and

781
00:36:08.663 --> 00:36:11.535
talks to gambit, and he's like, fine, do what you

782
00:36:11.551 --> 00:36:14.187
gotta do. Whatever. C'est la vie.

783
00:36:14.523 --> 00:36:17.179
and then she, she arrives

784
00:36:17.371 --> 00:36:20.355
and it's. It's what, a two minute sequence,

785
00:36:20.419 --> 00:36:23.259
as if they're dancing and there's a kiss,

786
00:36:23.331 --> 00:36:26.211
and you're like, oh. She made up her mind only for a

787
00:36:26.227 --> 00:36:29.139
split second later, sure, to be like, that was nice,

788
00:36:29.211 --> 00:36:31.063
magneto. But no,

789
00:36:31.973 --> 00:36:33.793
I'm just sitting here like,

790
00:36:34.733 --> 00:36:37.493
yeah, why. Why do the dance?

791
00:36:37.653 --> 00:36:40.581
Why do. Why. Why

792
00:36:40.637 --> 00:36:43.633
do any of that? That is so weird to me.

793
00:36:44.173 --> 00:36:46.717
So I just wanted to get that out there,

794
00:36:46.765 --> 00:36:49.087
that. Yeah, I've, I'm very

795
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:51.211
conflicted over a lot of stuff.

796
00:36:51.511 --> 00:36:54.455
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, I know you said, I know you told me

797
00:36:54.503 --> 00:36:57.439
you had some thoughts, and I am glad you, I'm glad you shared it. One of

798
00:36:57.455 --> 00:37:00.439
the things that you did mention there, was the story

799
00:37:00.495 --> 00:37:02.531
with Scott and Gene. And,

800
00:37:03.991 --> 00:37:06.807
this is where I thought the episode did do

801
00:37:06.839 --> 00:37:09.551
a good job of just sort of setting things up

802
00:37:09.591 --> 00:37:12.559
to, as I noted before, you know, life is going

803
00:37:12.615 --> 00:37:15.251
well, things are good. You know, you have

804
00:37:15.631 --> 00:37:18.151
your mundane

805
00:37:18.271 --> 00:37:20.851
things like silly love triangles.

806
00:37:21.711 --> 00:37:24.369
>> Sarah : Okay, no, no, no. Do not

807
00:37:24.409 --> 00:37:26.189
disrespect the triangle.

808
00:37:28.799 --> 00:37:31.717
>> Will: Well, I guess my point is that, you know, that

809
00:37:31.733 --> 00:37:34.629
was a sort of setting up for the big boom

810
00:37:34.749 --> 00:37:37.341
at the end as far as with the

811
00:37:37.365 --> 00:37:40.077
attack, but, but the gene of Scott

812
00:37:40.133 --> 00:37:42.949
stuff and the interview that he was having it

813
00:37:42.989 --> 00:37:45.901
and where he, you know, once, as I

814
00:37:45.925 --> 00:37:48.701
mentioned earlier, Cyclops is definitely one of my

815
00:37:48.725 --> 00:37:51.661
favorite characters. And one of the things I. What I've liked about what

816
00:37:51.685 --> 00:37:54.009
they've done with Cyclops in the series is,

817
00:37:54.409 --> 00:37:57.097
yeah, he's always been a dork, but they're actually making

818
00:37:57.153 --> 00:37:59.841
him very relatable.

819
00:37:59.985 --> 00:38:02.649
Maybe not relatable, but I mean, I think they're growing his

820
00:38:02.689 --> 00:38:04.629
character in a way that.

821
00:38:06.729 --> 00:38:09.585
>> Sarah : I think relatable is the word for it that you're

822
00:38:09.617 --> 00:38:12.097
looking for, because that's how I've. I didn't

823
00:38:12.153 --> 00:38:14.429
necessarily relate, but

824
00:38:15.169 --> 00:38:18.105
both him and Gene, what they were

825
00:38:18.217 --> 00:38:21.093
to. To, have this concept of. I

826
00:38:21.133 --> 00:38:23.753
just realized I found out I was a clone.

827
00:38:24.253 --> 00:38:27.109
You have been with the clone. You and the

828
00:38:27.141 --> 00:38:30.125
clone had a child together, yet

829
00:38:30.189 --> 00:38:32.893
I have all these memories. And

830
00:38:33.013 --> 00:38:35.867
so, navigating that they delved

831
00:38:35.955 --> 00:38:38.835
into some really interesting aspects, which you and

832
00:38:38.859 --> 00:38:41.603
me have watched so much Sci-Fi and comic

833
00:38:41.643 --> 00:38:44.363
book genre stuff that you would think,

834
00:38:44.443 --> 00:38:47.387
like, this wouldn't be such an, ah, interesting

835
00:38:47.435 --> 00:38:50.005
perspective, but they really went

836
00:38:50.069 --> 00:38:52.989
somewhere with it that I didn't think that they would go. And

837
00:38:53.021 --> 00:38:54.533
I really appreciated that.

838
00:38:54.653 --> 00:38:57.525
>> Will: Yeah, I completely. That's. That's. That's. That's exactly

839
00:38:57.549 --> 00:39:00.069
what I was where I was really want to get at because

840
00:39:00.221 --> 00:39:02.309
it was interesting and.

841
00:39:02.501 --> 00:39:05.469
And it was

842
00:39:05.501 --> 00:39:06.769
like a grown up show, you know?

843
00:39:06.769 --> 00:39:09.625
>> Sarah : yes. Yeah, yeah. Even. And they

844
00:39:09.665 --> 00:39:12.361
even had a love triangle going on because then you have

845
00:39:12.393 --> 00:39:15.035
Wolverine come in, who's always

846
00:39:15.155 --> 00:39:17.971
just creeping on Jean Grey, and they

847
00:39:18.003 --> 00:39:19.975
even share a kiss because.

848
00:39:20.755 --> 00:39:22.655
And you start like,

849
00:39:23.635 --> 00:39:26.627
and this is, again, to go back to the rogue of

850
00:39:26.651 --> 00:39:29.387
it all. This makes

851
00:39:29.451 --> 00:39:32.251
sense in terms of, okay, now I'm

852
00:39:32.283 --> 00:39:35.011
starting to understand how the triangle there

853
00:39:35.083 --> 00:39:37.747
is working because, yes, we are walking

854
00:39:37.811 --> 00:39:40.635
into these lives. These characters have been around each

855
00:39:40.675 --> 00:39:42.865
other. They already have past history

856
00:39:43.445 --> 00:39:45.385
and everything, yet

857
00:39:46.605 --> 00:39:49.573
Jean and Scott were happily married. But

858
00:39:49.589 --> 00:39:52.525
it makes sense that there would be a

859
00:39:52.565 --> 00:39:54.825
rift because there's a child

860
00:39:55.325 --> 00:39:57.765
and a love affair with a clone.

861
00:39:57.925 --> 00:39:58.665
>> Will: Yeah.

862
00:39:59.685 --> 00:40:02.541
>> Sarah : And then now there's confusion,

863
00:40:02.733 --> 00:40:05.189
but there's also reliance on

864
00:40:05.237 --> 00:40:07.757
someone who, even despite the

865
00:40:07.781 --> 00:40:10.599
clone, has, like, been around and

866
00:40:10.647 --> 00:40:13.447
will be around. So. So it makes sense

867
00:40:13.511 --> 00:40:16.235
why there would be sudden attraction

868
00:40:16.895 --> 00:40:19.823
elsewhere and also just like, well, what

869
00:40:19.879 --> 00:40:22.831
if? So. But. But they couldn't

870
00:40:22.863 --> 00:40:25.607
do that for. For me with Rogan gamut. No, they

871
00:40:25.631 --> 00:40:28.559
couldn't. Whatever. Yeah, I'm not

872
00:40:28.607 --> 00:40:29.275
bitter.

873
00:40:34.555 --> 00:40:37.363
Yeah, but, yeah, go ahead.

874
00:40:37.539 --> 00:40:40.135
>> Will: No, I was gonna say, I mean, like I said,

875
00:40:40.635 --> 00:40:43.363
those stories sort of stories swirling in the

876
00:40:43.419 --> 00:40:45.281
background, really,

877
00:40:46.289 --> 00:40:48.629
you know, I guess to your point,

878
00:40:49.329 --> 00:40:52.223
why I was, you know, going into

879
00:40:52.271 --> 00:40:54.847
it, knowing how much I've heard about this

880
00:40:54.903 --> 00:40:57.847
episode, and then. And then seeing these

881
00:40:57.943 --> 00:41:00.615
other stories sort of unfold instead

882
00:41:00.647 --> 00:41:03.479
of, you know, what doesn't, you know, which

883
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:06.495
eventually does happen. But it's a lot, you know, the way

884
00:41:06.527 --> 00:41:09.423
I was, the way it came about, I was thinking that this was going

885
00:41:09.431 --> 00:41:12.247
to be, like, you know, at the very beginning and there was going to have

886
00:41:12.263 --> 00:41:14.839
a fallout from. From what

887
00:41:14.879 --> 00:41:17.425
happened. But, But no, they really

888
00:41:17.497 --> 00:41:20.105
do utilize these

889
00:41:20.297 --> 00:41:23.073
very interest, you know,

890
00:41:23.161 --> 00:41:26.123
interesting exploration as far as

891
00:41:26.241 --> 00:41:28.727
the ramifications of what happened with Gene, Scott and

892
00:41:28.743 --> 00:41:31.631
Madeline and this triangle. And then, of

893
00:41:31.655 --> 00:41:34.617
course, you know, and then, of course, we do

894
00:41:34.641 --> 00:41:37.485
see cable show up and. And

895
00:41:38.665 --> 00:41:40.795
try to, prevent the attack,

896
00:41:41.341 --> 00:41:43.401
itself. And. And

897
00:41:44.141 --> 00:41:47.101
so, you know, so you had this earlier conversation with

898
00:41:47.261 --> 00:41:49.881
Scott and everything, and then.

899
00:41:50.401 --> 00:41:53.177
And then now cable shows up and, you know, you got the

900
00:41:53.209 --> 00:41:56.129
watcher showing up right before the attack. I mean,

901
00:41:56.145 --> 00:41:58.545
there's just all these little all, you know, it was just it was

902
00:41:58.593 --> 00:42:01.577
really overall, regardless of when you.

903
00:42:01.609 --> 00:42:04.409
Whether watching it now or if I watched

904
00:42:04.425 --> 00:42:07.393
it weeks ago, my

905
00:42:07.417 --> 00:42:10.417
bottom line feeling about this episode is it's probably some of the best

906
00:42:10.609 --> 00:42:13.313
episodic things I've watched in a

907
00:42:13.337 --> 00:42:16.289
while because they had so many things that, you

908
00:42:16.305 --> 00:42:18.881
know, what you just explored with that with,

909
00:42:19.381 --> 00:42:21.957
you know, as we talked about with Gene and Scott. But

910
00:42:21.989 --> 00:42:24.831
also, even the triangle. I mean, it just

911
00:42:24.871 --> 00:42:27.671
really, really a lot of things made this episode work really,

912
00:42:27.711 --> 00:42:28.531
really well.

913
00:42:30.231 --> 00:42:33.197
>> Sarah : Yeah. I wouldn't go that far from me.

914
00:42:33.147 --> 00:42:35.735
obviously. but I will

915
00:42:35.783 --> 00:42:38.527
say, like, I didn't write down

916
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:41.255
enough of the dialogue, but the

917
00:42:41.303 --> 00:42:44.197
lines remember it. That

918
00:42:44.269 --> 00:42:46.681
line was executed beautifully

919
00:42:46.981 --> 00:42:49.933
as well as, rogues. Rogue's

920
00:42:49.965 --> 00:42:51.973
line of ah, sugar, I can't feel you.

921
00:42:52.045 --> 00:42:53.061
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

922
00:42:53.229 --> 00:42:55.777
>> Sarah : Like like, damn.

923
00:42:56.477 --> 00:42:57.021
>> Will: Yeah.

924
00:42:57.109 --> 00:42:59.909
>> Sarah : Like, I'm not. I'm not completely dead inside. I

925
00:43:00.013 --> 00:43:02.789
understand. And like I said, the

926
00:43:02.853 --> 00:43:05.469
dialogue was good. The

927
00:43:05.533 --> 00:43:08.213
choices I have to question. I have to

928
00:43:08.245 --> 00:43:11.069
call Rogue a rogue. Just be

929
00:43:11.093 --> 00:43:14.083
like, what the heck? I mean, no sense. It kind

930
00:43:14.115 --> 00:43:16.619
of makes sense, but it doesn't really make sense if you really think about

931
00:43:16.643 --> 00:43:19.057
it. but yeah,

932
00:43:20.837 --> 00:43:23.413
yeah, yeah. A bit like he

933
00:43:23.445 --> 00:43:25.541
didn't. No, no. A bit

934
00:43:25.589 --> 00:43:28.367
unrealistic. and then. And then

935
00:43:28.447 --> 00:43:31.311
to go back to what we were saying before, like

936
00:43:31.479 --> 00:43:34.127
now with episode six, we get life and death part

937
00:43:34.167 --> 00:43:37.111
two. And so you're left

938
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:39.597
on this big, like, gambit is

939
00:43:39.637 --> 00:43:42.405
dead in Rogue's arms. Cut

940
00:43:42.461 --> 00:43:45.357
to. We're going to talk about life and death

941
00:43:45.397 --> 00:43:47.377
part two now. Yeah.

942
00:43:48.517 --> 00:43:51.353
They're they're doing this whiplash thing.

943
00:43:51.303 --> 00:43:53.783
but but then by the end of this episode, you

944
00:43:53.815 --> 00:43:56.387
understand why they had to.

945
00:43:57.047 --> 00:43:59.987
This is all about getting the krang back together

946
00:44:00.487 --> 00:44:02.495
in midst of tragedy

947
00:44:02.671 --> 00:44:04.243
storytelling one.

948
00:44:05.429 --> 00:44:08.293
Well, why don't you break down life and death

949
00:44:08.341 --> 00:44:10.949
part two? Because I like.

950
00:44:11.109 --> 00:44:13.529
I like what they do with.

951
00:44:15.509 --> 00:44:18.197
Yeah. Yeah. I'm not. I'm not completely

952
00:44:18.253 --> 00:44:20.529
sold on this, I have to say.

953
00:44:21.029 --> 00:44:23.693
It was hard for me to not just

954
00:44:23.741 --> 00:44:26.621
skip to episode seven so that I could

955
00:44:26.645 --> 00:44:29.249
get resolution with that and then jump back.

956
00:44:31.809 --> 00:44:34.345
>> Will: Yeah, I. So I

957
00:44:34.377 --> 00:44:37.177
will. Yeah. It wasn't, you know, deflect, as you said. It was a

958
00:44:37.193 --> 00:44:39.819
definite change of pace. they

959
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:43.887
did the. They did the thing and they

960
00:44:43.903 --> 00:44:46.903
needed to give us all a moment to just sort of sit in

961
00:44:46.911 --> 00:44:49.479
our fields with this episode.

962
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:52.415
So when it starts out, we they do

963
00:44:52.447 --> 00:44:55.259
pick up a line from

964
00:44:55.619 --> 00:44:58.251
the the original series that. The animated

965
00:44:58.275 --> 00:45:01.045
series, where when that

966
00:45:01.077 --> 00:45:03.981
series ended, Charles was whammied by

967
00:45:04.125 --> 00:45:07.077
Gyrick, and, you know, his powers were turning against him and

968
00:45:07.093 --> 00:45:10.069
stuff, and. And so he had to go off.

969
00:45:10.229 --> 00:45:13.085
And, of course, you know, the way they set this series up,

970
00:45:13.117 --> 00:45:15.741
it was like he was presumed dead. But as you

971
00:45:15.765 --> 00:45:18.419
noted, they. They played the, oh, he's not dead

972
00:45:18.459 --> 00:45:21.171
card, because we got the same thing in this episode with

973
00:45:21.195 --> 00:45:23.867
Begnito where we felt that he was. He was also

974
00:45:23.923 --> 00:45:26.847
dead. But we. We learn. Is it this episode

975
00:45:26.863 --> 00:45:29.325
or episode seven? But in what. Yeah, you know,

976
00:45:29.357 --> 00:45:32.195
we, But so,

977
00:45:33.615 --> 00:45:36.471
I will say, you know, it was. It was. So we see

978
00:45:36.503 --> 00:45:38.835
where Charles is going off to,

979
00:45:39.255 --> 00:45:41.475
and at least with the,

980
00:45:43.055 --> 00:45:45.555
his aspect of the story,

981
00:45:46.055 --> 00:45:48.723
we learned that Charles is,

982
00:45:48.829 --> 00:45:51.013
We see what his life has been up to,

983
00:45:51.181 --> 00:45:54.101
and. And he is. He's with the love

984
00:45:54.125 --> 00:45:56.669
of his life, and he. You, know, we

985
00:45:56.685 --> 00:45:59.549
get. It was nice at the beginning there with

986
00:45:59.645 --> 00:46:02.555
seeing the deathbird, and

987
00:46:02.603 --> 00:46:05.563
gladiator, and we got to see Ronan the accuser. So I was like, hey,

988
00:46:05.587 --> 00:46:08.131
I see a familiar face. Yeah.

989
00:46:08.291 --> 00:46:09.011
Yeah.

990
00:46:09.171 --> 00:46:12.007
>> Sarah : Doing that, like, integrating some of

991
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:14.999
the other marvel characters. And then episode seven,

992
00:46:15.055 --> 00:46:16.991
we even see Captain America.

993
00:46:17.151 --> 00:46:20.023
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah. and so you, know,

994
00:46:20.055 --> 00:46:21.827
so. But the big thing that,

995
00:46:23.897 --> 00:46:25.477
with Charles and his story

996
00:46:27.537 --> 00:46:30.529
and taking the things that he and. He

997
00:46:30.553 --> 00:46:33.249
and Eric were debating

998
00:46:33.393 --> 00:46:36.049
as far as on earth and how Charles

999
00:46:36.193 --> 00:46:37.917
literally has them all sit in class,

1000
00:46:39.207 --> 00:46:41.775
show how thing, you know,

1001
00:46:41.911 --> 00:46:44.821
how things can be, and how

1002
00:46:44.869 --> 00:46:47.717
he wanted to. He had to, you know,

1003
00:46:47.757 --> 00:46:50.357
he should. He is. Had the dream

1004
00:46:50.397 --> 00:46:53.285
of coexistence of

1005
00:46:53.341 --> 00:46:56.165
two factions. Like what

1006
00:46:56.181 --> 00:46:58.877
we're seeing there with Lilonda

1007
00:46:58.957 --> 00:47:01.733
and her sister, how y'all can.

1008
00:47:01.805 --> 00:47:04.309
Y'all can work things out. And so it

1009
00:47:04.333 --> 00:47:07.079
was. It was a good change. It was a change of pace,

1010
00:47:07.183 --> 00:47:09.823
and it filled us in on what

1011
00:47:09.855 --> 00:47:12.107
Charles. What really's been going on with Charles,

1012
00:47:13.227 --> 00:47:15.327
at least. At least to start things out.

1013
00:47:17.107 --> 00:47:18.727
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah.

1014
00:47:19.507 --> 00:47:22.247
So the Charles thing,

1015
00:47:22.907 --> 00:47:25.755
it was interesting until about

1016
00:47:25.811 --> 00:47:28.731
five minutes into it, and then I was just like, okay, but seriously,

1017
00:47:28.779 --> 00:47:30.447
let's go back to the real children.

1018
00:47:30.807 --> 00:47:31.895
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah.

1019
00:47:32.071 --> 00:47:35.063
>> Sarah : Because this felt like. Like I was

1020
00:47:35.095 --> 00:47:37.895
talking about in, ironically, life and death, part

1021
00:47:37.951 --> 00:47:40.919
one. It's now, I think this

1022
00:47:40.943 --> 00:47:43.335
was better executed than the Jubilee

1023
00:47:43.391 --> 00:47:46.263
stuff, but it felt so

1024
00:47:46.335 --> 00:47:48.957
different. and what

1025
00:47:49.005 --> 00:47:51.861
was. I want to. It's not the eternals.

1026
00:47:51.917 --> 00:47:54.469
Yeah. Actually, it's. This felt like the

1027
00:47:54.501 --> 00:47:57.273
eternals meets what

1028
00:47:57.313 --> 00:48:00.303
was, the immortals. Yeah.

1029
00:48:00.923 --> 00:48:02.243
Do you remember that?

1030
00:48:02.403 --> 00:48:05.155
>> Will: I do remember that. Yeah. That short. That short

1031
00:48:05.179 --> 00:48:06.051
lived tv show.

1032
00:48:06.147 --> 00:48:08.143
>> Sarah : That. That trash.

1033
00:48:08.643 --> 00:48:09.423
>> Will: Yeah.

1034
00:48:10.163 --> 00:48:12.195
>> Sarah : Very short lived black.

1035
00:48:12.299 --> 00:48:14.263
>> Will: Yeah, yeah,

1036
00:48:15.323 --> 00:48:17.587
yeah. The only good thing that came out of that show is anthem out.

1037
00:48:17.635 --> 00:48:19.891
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1038
00:48:19.947 --> 00:48:22.877
There's. I mean, all of these things have,

1039
00:48:22.925 --> 00:48:25.733
like, peaks because we do see that

1040
00:48:25.773 --> 00:48:28.725
again. But it. And then. And then because

1041
00:48:28.789 --> 00:48:31.693
of that, I kept getting flashbacks of that

1042
00:48:31.733 --> 00:48:34.573
whole council scene, which ironically featured

1043
00:48:34.613 --> 00:48:37.523
Xavier in, your favorite

1044
00:48:37.563 --> 00:48:39.275
movie, Doctor strange two.

1045
00:48:39.419 --> 00:48:42.403
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. With the illuminati.

1046
00:48:42.443 --> 00:48:45.395
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah. And then it brought me and

1047
00:48:45.459 --> 00:48:47.743
Kari. So it's interesting how,

1048
00:48:48.683 --> 00:48:51.315
when I think about this episode, and I think

1049
00:48:51.379 --> 00:48:53.939
specifically about the Charles of it all, the

1050
00:48:53.971 --> 00:48:56.743
Xavier of all the.

1051
00:48:57.723 --> 00:49:00.579
It pulled more into not

1052
00:49:00.611 --> 00:49:03.235
the X Men universe, but the Marvel

1053
00:49:03.339 --> 00:49:03.931
universe.

1054
00:49:03.987 --> 00:49:05.023
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

1055
00:49:05.443 --> 00:49:08.299
>> Sarah : And, ah, so it started. It was kind of

1056
00:49:08.331 --> 00:49:11.323
like a precursor of. Oh, yeah.

1057
00:49:11.403 --> 00:49:14.275
We're doing this show that you watched when you were a

1058
00:49:14.299 --> 00:49:16.817
kid, but that show was small, and this show is

1059
00:49:16.865 --> 00:49:17.409
big.

1060
00:49:17.561 --> 00:49:18.153
>> Will: Yeah.

1061
00:49:18.273 --> 00:49:20.823
>> Sarah : And so I can appreciate it, on that. Now,

1062
00:49:20.863 --> 00:49:23.583
granted, I also just listed a few things that,

1063
00:49:23.663 --> 00:49:26.159
like, when all said and done were complete

1064
00:49:26.191 --> 00:49:26.883
trash,

1065
00:49:28.543 --> 00:49:31.439
so I'm kind of like, I see what

1066
00:49:31.471 --> 00:49:34.303
you're doing, and I appreciate the tapestry.

1067
00:49:34.423 --> 00:49:37.415
At the same time, could he have chosen something else?

1068
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:38.007
>> Will: Yeah.

1069
00:49:38.055 --> 00:49:38.683
>> Sarah : Yeah.

1070
00:49:38.983 --> 00:49:41.643
>> Will: Well, yeah, because, I mean, it was like, I guess, the

1071
00:49:41.723 --> 00:49:44.555
false choice of, like, forfeiting his memories and.

1072
00:49:44.619 --> 00:49:47.619
>> Sarah : Yeah. It's so melodramatic,

1073
00:49:47.651 --> 00:49:48.663
as you were saying.

1074
00:49:49.683 --> 00:49:51.183
>> Will: Yeah. I also saw.

1075
00:49:51.923 --> 00:49:53.583
Okay, yeah.

1076
00:49:55.403 --> 00:49:58.363
>> Sarah : These are adults. Can they get. Be.

1077
00:49:58.403 --> 00:50:01.019
Can they be given a choice that feels

1078
00:50:01.091 --> 00:50:03.699
much more like an adult? I mean,

1079
00:50:03.851 --> 00:50:06.695
again, this is better than the Jubilee stuff,

1080
00:50:06.779 --> 00:50:09.763
but it just. It felt very

1081
00:50:10.263 --> 00:50:12.647
much like a lack of

1082
00:50:12.695 --> 00:50:13.323
stakes.

1083
00:50:13.983 --> 00:50:16.871
>> Will: Yeah, it did. And I know they

1084
00:50:16.887 --> 00:50:19.479
were trying to. And I know the,

1085
00:50:19.671 --> 00:50:22.615
you know, and I guess they were, as I noted

1086
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:24.751
earlier, they were really trying to really

1087
00:50:24.927 --> 00:50:27.879
show on the galactic scale, to

1088
00:50:27.911 --> 00:50:30.685
your point, how, you know,

1089
00:50:30.709 --> 00:50:33.149
what. What. What was basically the. The

1090
00:50:33.181 --> 00:50:35.593
philosophical divide between Charles and Eric,

1091
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:39.299
on earth with. With coexisting with humans

1092
00:50:39.331 --> 00:50:39.667
and.

1093
00:50:39.755 --> 00:50:40.267
>> Sarah : Or.

1094
00:50:40.395 --> 00:50:43.301
>> Will: Or not? and so they were trying to do it. So

1095
00:50:43.317 --> 00:50:45.965
I got where they were going from, but it did. You

1096
00:50:45.989 --> 00:50:48.073
know, I

1097
00:50:49.653 --> 00:50:52.629
have to say, I mean, it was just watching

1098
00:50:52.661 --> 00:50:55.333
these. These four. It was a roll. These four episodes was a real roller

1099
00:50:55.373 --> 00:50:57.769
coaster of,

1100
00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:00.179
>> Sarah : It's a long morning for me.

1101
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:03.167
>> Will: It was a roller coaster. Not. And I'm not saying

1102
00:51:03.303 --> 00:51:05.967
it was. It was just. It's not that it's a bad thing.

1103
00:51:06.063 --> 00:51:08.887
Just. Just. I just felt like peaks and

1104
00:51:08.903 --> 00:51:11.775
valleys as far as. Ah, far as this, like,

1105
00:51:11.807 --> 00:51:14.069
the ride I was on. and

1106
00:51:14.197 --> 00:51:16.281
so m.

1107
00:51:17.485 --> 00:51:20.373
You know, to finish out Charles's stuff before we get to it. And then,

1108
00:51:20.389 --> 00:51:22.893
of course, we know. I mean, because at the end of the day, it

1109
00:51:22.909 --> 00:51:25.065
was, I guess, not even,

1110
00:51:25.715 --> 00:51:28.643
you know, what he's going to do. And

1111
00:51:28.659 --> 00:51:31.643
so it did, like you said, it did less in the stakes because at the end

1112
00:51:31.659 --> 00:51:33.655
of the day, we know he's going to go back to earth.

1113
00:51:34.215 --> 00:51:36.875
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1114
00:51:37.295 --> 00:51:40.075
Now, while they were splicing

1115
00:51:40.775 --> 00:51:43.735
this up, which. Which, again, I'm kind of grateful that

1116
00:51:43.783 --> 00:51:46.479
they decided to splice it up

1117
00:51:46.615 --> 00:51:49.615
with storm and life and death

1118
00:51:49.663 --> 00:51:52.569
part two, and not

1119
00:51:52.625 --> 00:51:55.569
do what they did with life and part death part one,

1120
00:51:55.665 --> 00:51:58.481
which was like, again, felt very disjointed

1121
00:51:58.521 --> 00:52:01.445
to me. This felt a little bit more cohesive, even

1122
00:52:01.493 --> 00:52:03.841
though literally Charles was in space.

1123
00:52:04.341 --> 00:52:05.401
>> Will: Yeah, yeah.

1124
00:52:06.101 --> 00:52:08.677
>> Sarah : And storm was powerless in the desert.

1125
00:52:08.829 --> 00:52:11.693
>> Will: Yeah, yeah. But works so much. Her

1126
00:52:11.717 --> 00:52:14.189
story works so much better in its. You know, as far as the

1127
00:52:14.205 --> 00:52:15.869
two, again.

1128
00:52:16.045 --> 00:52:18.509
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1129
00:52:19.899 --> 00:52:22.729
Yeah. Why don't you go ahead and dive into it?

1130
00:52:23.069 --> 00:52:25.845
>> Will: Yeah. I mean, like. I mean, just really the honest, that

1131
00:52:25.997 --> 00:52:28.973
just the exploration of

1132
00:52:29.061 --> 00:52:31.997
what was holding her back, because forge and life of

1133
00:52:32.013 --> 00:52:34.717
death one, they had the machine try to get her powers back,

1134
00:52:34.893 --> 00:52:37.649
and they used the adversary there to,

1135
00:52:37.989 --> 00:52:40.637
you know, to the demon owl

1136
00:52:40.693 --> 00:52:42.425
to basically,

1137
00:52:42.923 --> 00:52:45.731
explore what her deepest fears. And I

1138
00:52:45.747 --> 00:52:48.563
liked how they tied in the thing that she had

1139
00:52:48.603 --> 00:52:51.199
mentioned, talking to

1140
00:52:51.391 --> 00:52:54.085
at the time, with Gene. Yeah. At the time

1141
00:52:54.229 --> 00:52:56.753
that we. That, you know, she. Her.

1142
00:52:58.013 --> 00:53:00.893
Don't you ever wish to be a human every now and then wonder what that's

1143
00:53:00.933 --> 00:53:03.229
like, you know, those kind of things? And so

1144
00:53:03.421 --> 00:53:05.781
I. And then once she finally got it

1145
00:53:05.957 --> 00:53:08.845
and, you know, to lose, you know,

1146
00:53:08.869 --> 00:53:11.741
she lost herself, but also, you know, but then at the

1147
00:53:11.757 --> 00:53:14.341
same time, she was really grappling with the fear

1148
00:53:14.397 --> 00:53:14.993
of

1149
00:53:19.373 --> 00:53:21.933
just, you know, not know, you not know who she is

1150
00:53:21.973 --> 00:53:24.933
and also trying to figure out what her place was. And in the imagery,

1151
00:53:24.973 --> 00:53:27.957
you using the coffin box and everything like that, I

1152
00:53:27.965 --> 00:53:30.725
mean, I thought it was that. That those

1153
00:53:30.789 --> 00:53:32.793
aspects of the episode really,

1154
00:53:33.413 --> 00:53:36.267
really draw. Drew me in. And, And again,

1155
00:53:36.315 --> 00:53:39.139
I knew that ultimately she will get her powers back, but it was.

1156
00:53:39.211 --> 00:53:41.955
But the journey was. Was

1157
00:53:42.059 --> 00:53:44.695
very, satisfying as far

1158
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:46.523
as her

1159
00:53:48.823 --> 00:53:51.699
getting them back. You know, it wasn't just a little magic

1160
00:53:51.731 --> 00:53:54.491
wand step it into a machine, but she had to really dig

1161
00:53:54.547 --> 00:53:57.541
deep, dive, deep into herself to, like, realize, this is

1162
00:53:57.557 --> 00:53:58.473
who I am.

1163
00:53:59.013 --> 00:54:01.965
>> Sarah : So. So, okay, in part one,

1164
00:54:02.109 --> 00:54:04.941
they use the machine. They don't think it worked,

1165
00:54:04.997 --> 00:54:06.269
but it did work, right?

1166
00:54:06.341 --> 00:54:08.861
>> Will: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But,

1167
00:54:08.957 --> 00:54:09.493
yeah.

1168
00:54:09.613 --> 00:54:12.141
>> Sarah : The owl was more

1169
00:54:12.237 --> 00:54:14.873
of a aberration

1170
00:54:15.513 --> 00:54:18.433
like, it was her fear brought to

1171
00:54:18.473 --> 00:54:20.133
life. Like, what was the owl?

1172
00:54:20.433 --> 00:54:23.225
>> Will: Yeah, I think they were just a reflection of her fear.

1173
00:54:23.409 --> 00:54:26.241
>> Sarah : Reflection for fear. And. And it.

1174
00:54:26.297 --> 00:54:29.177
And it makes sense, kind of, because it definitely

1175
00:54:29.225 --> 00:54:31.793
felt like a weird nightmare creature

1176
00:54:31.913 --> 00:54:34.293
thing. Not like a mutant or anything.

1177
00:54:34.669 --> 00:54:37.581
especially the way they were talking. It was bringing up other

1178
00:54:37.645 --> 00:54:40.325
stuff, which. Which makes sense. So I'm going to be

1179
00:54:40.397 --> 00:54:43.125
honest, because the machine

1180
00:54:43.197 --> 00:54:46.109
part happened in part one, which was

1181
00:54:46.149 --> 00:54:47.849
an episode prior.

1182
00:54:50.229 --> 00:54:53.189
I had forgotten. So by the time, like,

1183
00:54:53.229 --> 00:54:55.525
she ends up using her powers, I'm like,

1184
00:54:55.717 --> 00:54:58.569
wait, so what?

1185
00:54:59.069 --> 00:55:01.973
I was very confused. I really

1186
00:55:02.021 --> 00:55:04.725
had to think about, like, oh,

1187
00:55:04.797 --> 00:55:07.485
okay, now I get it. That was a fear. And so the

1188
00:55:07.517 --> 00:55:09.961
machine did work, but I'd forgotten about

1189
00:55:09.985 --> 00:55:12.921
the whole scene with the

1190
00:55:12.945 --> 00:55:15.349
machine sequence of it all.

1191
00:55:15.889 --> 00:55:18.417
so. And now her

1192
00:55:18.473 --> 00:55:20.869
fear. So

1193
00:55:22.449 --> 00:55:25.345
she. Even though the machine worked, there was still a

1194
00:55:25.377 --> 00:55:27.985
mental block in accepting her powers.

1195
00:55:28.057 --> 00:55:30.713
Because of her fear of

1196
00:55:30.761 --> 00:55:32.841
what I.

1197
00:55:32.865 --> 00:55:35.149
>> Will: Think her fear and shame,

1198
00:55:36.129 --> 00:55:38.535
of being a mutant. Of,

1199
00:55:39.069 --> 00:55:42.061
I don't know if it's not. Maybe know that

1200
00:55:42.085 --> 00:55:44.095
the confession that she made to,

1201
00:55:44.619 --> 00:55:46.719
Gene. Gene slash Madeline,

1202
00:55:48.279 --> 00:55:51.071
You know, they had the whole heart to heart talk

1203
00:55:51.175 --> 00:55:53.489
that they had, you know, with,

1204
00:55:54.229 --> 00:55:57.149
you know, gene. Madeline was

1205
00:55:57.309 --> 00:55:59.789
like, I know the scene.

1206
00:55:59.829 --> 00:56:02.389
>> Sarah : You'Re talking about, but I don't remember what was exactly

1207
00:56:02.429 --> 00:56:03.009
said.

1208
00:56:03.459 --> 00:56:06.179
>> Will: Yeah, no, I'm just getting to the sentiments. I think. I think

1209
00:56:06.299 --> 00:56:09.187
they were, like, approaching things differently. I want to recall what

1210
00:56:09.243 --> 00:56:11.739
I think Gene Madeline was like, you know,

1211
00:56:11.779 --> 00:56:14.651
bringing. You know, bringing a child in this world

1212
00:56:14.755 --> 00:56:17.159
knowing that people still hate mutants.

1213
00:56:17.459 --> 00:56:19.519
And. And I think.

1214
00:56:20.379 --> 00:56:23.267
I think Aurora storm was. If

1215
00:56:23.283 --> 00:56:26.035
I recall one, you know, had

1216
00:56:26.067 --> 00:56:28.619
a. You know, secretly

1217
00:56:28.659 --> 00:56:31.507
shared a, desire to, you know,

1218
00:56:31.967 --> 00:56:34.671
you know, be human for a day or something like that. I

1219
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.639
mean, I may be over overstating it, but,

1220
00:56:37.823 --> 00:56:39.427
you know, I think it was,

1221
00:56:41.167 --> 00:56:44.055
So I think, you know, I think she was just trying to.

1222
00:56:44.071 --> 00:56:46.547
Grappling with. Grappling with that and,

1223
00:56:47.677 --> 00:56:50.637
some of the responsibilities, you know, that she's. That she's

1224
00:56:50.677 --> 00:56:53.617
had. And again, losing. And I guess

1225
00:56:54.457 --> 00:56:57.401
maybe like, she felt ashamed because she had that one

1226
00:56:57.489 --> 00:57:00.401
feeling of, like, well, what would like my life be like if I wasn't a

1227
00:57:00.409 --> 00:57:02.557
mutant? And now. Now it's here. And,

1228
00:57:03.417 --> 00:57:06.033
you know. You know, people, you know, have guilt

1229
00:57:06.065 --> 00:57:08.833
and deny, you know, and other things that.

1230
00:57:08.985 --> 00:57:11.945
That, you know, if I

1231
00:57:11.961 --> 00:57:14.905
wish this upon myself. But I really didn't. Really didn't mean it. It was just kind

1232
00:57:14.921 --> 00:57:15.997
of a fleeting thought.

1233
00:57:17.537 --> 00:57:20.513
>> Sarah : Yeah. I don't

1234
00:57:20.545 --> 00:57:23.217
know. I think they could have done that a bit better.

1235
00:57:23.337 --> 00:57:25.951
About her fears. because, again, that was

1236
00:57:26.047 --> 00:57:28.855
also a scene between her and.

1237
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:32.039
And the clone, like, way back in episode one or

1238
00:57:32.071 --> 00:57:33.603
two. And so.

1239
00:57:34.823 --> 00:57:37.655
So I I don't know, I I feel like it

1240
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:40.263
got a bit muddy for me to

1241
00:57:40.303 --> 00:57:43.159
completely follow and understand exactly the

1242
00:57:43.191 --> 00:57:45.933
whole pathos of it. But, it. It

1243
00:57:46.005 --> 00:57:48.365
did what it needed to do in terms of,

1244
00:57:49.295 --> 00:57:51.991
exploring power loss with a character

1245
00:57:52.103 --> 00:57:54.951
and gaining it back just in time

1246
00:57:55.063 --> 00:57:57.735
to join the team along with Xavier because

1247
00:57:57.815 --> 00:58:00.623
of the events in genocide which

1248
00:58:00.759 --> 00:58:03.527
lead us right into episode seven. Because,

1249
00:58:03.711 --> 00:58:05.983
again, start, stop, start,

1250
00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:08.367
stop with these four

1251
00:58:08.431 --> 00:58:11.063
episodes. where.

1252
00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:14.135
Where. Now that those two have gotten their

1253
00:58:14.175 --> 00:58:16.849
crap together, we don't see them in this

1254
00:58:16.897 --> 00:58:19.777
episode, I don't think. Maybe at the end we

1255
00:58:19.801 --> 00:58:22.713
do. I forget, but we.

1256
00:58:22.849 --> 00:58:25.729
We pick up with the funeral and

1257
00:58:25.777 --> 00:58:28.601
rogue going rogue meeting up with

1258
00:58:28.633 --> 00:58:31.545
Captain America, trying to get answers, trying

1259
00:58:31.585 --> 00:58:33.975
to track down, gyric,

1260
00:58:34.531 --> 00:58:36.991
and Trask, who, who built the

1261
00:58:37.023 --> 00:58:39.761
sentinel tech that ended up,

1262
00:58:40.103 --> 00:58:42.347
destroying genocide. But,

1263
00:58:42.491 --> 00:58:45.299
but, you know, there's always a,

1264
00:58:45.427 --> 00:58:48.175
like, if they tell you this is the big bad.

1265
00:58:48.635 --> 00:58:51.291
No, no, no, there's another one. M. And they've

1266
00:58:51.323 --> 00:58:53.851
introduced three because don't forget the

1267
00:58:53.883 --> 00:58:56.731
sinister episode that happened a while back.

1268
00:58:56.883 --> 00:58:59.843
And he shows up, too. And. But he's also

1269
00:58:59.939 --> 00:59:02.811
working as someone. And let me make sure, see

1270
00:59:02.843 --> 00:59:05.347
if I get this name pronounced wrong. But it's

1271
00:59:05.411 --> 00:59:07.185
Bastogne Bastion.

1272
00:59:07.485 --> 00:59:08.069
>> Will: Bastian.

1273
00:59:08.117 --> 00:59:10.301
>> Sarah : Yeah, Bastian. Now, do we know

1274
00:59:10.333 --> 00:59:11.185
Bastian?

1275
00:59:12.275 --> 00:59:14.473
>> Will: I do not know that character.

1276
00:59:14.561 --> 00:59:17.509
>> Sarah : Okay. I thank God because I was like, who?

1277
00:59:17.809 --> 00:59:18.549
What?

1278
00:59:19.569 --> 00:59:22.409
>> Will: And, yeah, and again, like I said, you know, I'm

1279
00:59:22.449 --> 00:59:25.041
not steeped as deep in X Men lore,

1280
00:59:25.105 --> 00:59:28.049
so, you know, so for listeners,

1281
00:59:28.089 --> 00:59:30.745
if you, if there's, if this is a well known

1282
00:59:30.777 --> 00:59:33.627
character that I just should know, please,

1283
00:59:33.723 --> 00:59:36.453
please, in the comments, either, on socials or

1284
00:59:36.581 --> 00:59:39.369
our channel, but let me tell us who it is.

1285
00:59:39.829 --> 00:59:42.525
>> Sarah : Yeah, because I haven't heard of this guy.

1286
00:59:42.677 --> 00:59:45.473
He's, he's, He, he does

1287
00:59:45.513 --> 00:59:48.321
seem like a clone of all of the other ones that I've

1288
00:59:48.337 --> 00:59:51.121
just listed, but he's the

1289
00:59:51.137 --> 00:59:53.985
only one who's got magneto tied

1290
00:59:54.049 --> 00:59:56.867
up. And, And for some reason is

1291
00:59:56.899 --> 00:59:59.351
keeping, keeping that man alive.

1292
01:00:00.981 --> 01:00:02.949
It's probably so Lexman can win at.

1293
01:00:02.965 --> 01:00:05.933
>> Will: The end of the day, part

1294
01:00:05.957 --> 01:00:08.733
of much larger. Yeah. larger, plot. For sure.

1295
01:00:08.805 --> 01:00:11.629
For sure. Because, I mean, I know we, you know, we did. Because one of the things we

1296
01:00:11.653 --> 01:00:14.513
did learn in episode six was that sinister,

1297
01:00:14.915 --> 01:00:17.859
was behind the Genosha attack. And so.

1298
01:00:17.979 --> 01:00:18.323
Yeah.

1299
01:00:18.371 --> 01:00:21.171
>> Sarah : And, you know, it kind of makes sense that. I

1300
01:00:21.195 --> 01:00:24.147
bet Bastian is a,

1301
01:00:24.125 --> 01:00:26.693
character who's a little bit known,

1302
01:00:26.881 --> 01:00:29.565
but it would make sense to

1303
01:00:29.597 --> 01:00:31.949
me because I don't know that much about

1304
01:00:31.989 --> 01:00:34.805
cable. But it seems like

1305
01:00:34.837 --> 01:00:37.837
cable knows about Bastian because cable

1306
01:00:37.893 --> 01:00:40.261
in this episode. And to go back to previous

1307
01:00:40.365 --> 01:00:42.997
episodes, like, he was

1308
01:00:43.053 --> 01:00:46.037
warning them about someone who's a lot

1309
01:00:46.093 --> 01:00:48.733
worse than people who they're familiar

1310
01:00:48.781 --> 01:00:51.717
with. So Bastian also

1311
01:00:51.773 --> 01:00:54.099
might be from the future. Who knows?

1312
01:00:54.479 --> 01:00:57.463
And. And who has this. This bigger

1313
01:00:57.511 --> 01:01:00.339
plan and has been using all of these other,

1314
01:01:00.669 --> 01:01:03.325
Villains. Like,

1315
01:01:03.373 --> 01:01:06.197
have built this alliance tree sort of

1316
01:01:06.229 --> 01:01:09.203
be. Yeah, I'm trying to think.

1317
01:01:10.971 --> 01:01:13.451
So. So I'm

1318
01:01:13.531 --> 01:01:15.671
glad that it wasn't.

1319
01:01:16.861 --> 01:01:19.861
They put just enough of Scott searching

1320
01:01:19.901 --> 01:01:21.621
for Madeline in this.

1321
01:01:21.781 --> 01:01:22.561
>> Will: Yeah.

1322
01:01:23.247 --> 01:01:25.843
>> Sarah : because the fallout from the attack on

1323
01:01:25.867 --> 01:01:28.787
Genosha. Yes. Genocide, of course.

1324
01:01:28.899 --> 01:01:30.311
But more importantly,

1325
01:01:32.651 --> 01:01:35.443
you got Gambit's death. So we already

1326
01:01:35.507 --> 01:01:38.451
know what Rogue is going to be doing in this episode, which

1327
01:01:38.571 --> 01:01:40.311
she does end up killing someone.

1328
01:01:40.631 --> 01:01:41.411
>> Will: Yep.

1329
01:01:42.151 --> 01:01:44.519
>> Sarah : Very randomly, and there was not enough

1330
01:01:44.575 --> 01:01:47.519
time. Maybe they'll talk about that. I don't really

1331
01:01:47.575 --> 01:01:50.103
know, but I hope that gets addressed in a later

1332
01:01:50.167 --> 01:01:51.055
episode.

1333
01:01:51.223 --> 01:01:51.759
>> Will: Yeah.

1334
01:01:51.855 --> 01:01:54.823
>> Sarah : Does kill someone. And. And then

1335
01:01:54.887 --> 01:01:57.431
at the same time, you have the continued

1336
01:01:57.471 --> 01:02:00.427
fallout of the, Gene

1337
01:02:00.507 --> 01:02:02.803
Scott dynamic as.

1338
01:02:02.955 --> 01:02:05.547
As Scott is still

1339
01:02:05.667 --> 01:02:08.587
desperately searching for Madeline, who was in

1340
01:02:08.627 --> 01:02:11.547
Genosha during the attack. And we don't know if she's

1341
01:02:11.587 --> 01:02:13.187
alive. And.

1342
01:02:14.207 --> 01:02:16.879
And that's like.

1343
01:02:16.983 --> 01:02:19.599
I love the complexity of it all,

1344
01:02:19.703 --> 01:02:22.409
the greenness of it all. no pun intended

1345
01:02:22.473 --> 01:02:25.147
on Jean Grey's name. that

1346
01:02:25.567 --> 01:02:27.787
I can see both of their sides.

1347
01:02:28.127 --> 01:02:28.887
>> Will: Yeah.

1348
01:02:29.047 --> 01:02:31.983
>> Sarah : Like. And that. That is well

1349
01:02:32.095 --> 01:02:34.147
executed melodrama.

1350
01:02:34.447 --> 01:02:36.943
Okay. That is what I wanted for my

1351
01:02:36.975 --> 01:02:37.747
Gambit

1352
01:02:41.347 --> 01:02:44.311
anyway. That's. That's. That's my thought. what

1353
01:02:44.327 --> 01:02:45.999
are some of your thoughts about this episode?

1354
01:02:46.031 --> 01:02:48.903
>> Will: Yeah, I mean, it's the same. I mean, we. You know, we do see the fallout.

1355
01:02:48.943 --> 01:02:51.711
Like you said. Rogue's going, you know,

1356
01:02:51.767 --> 01:02:54.695
completely, you know, I think

1357
01:02:54.759 --> 01:02:57.123
between the guilt. Because of course she,

1358
01:02:57.819 --> 01:03:00.173
was going to tell us,

1359
01:03:00.953 --> 01:03:03.093
Remy, that. Hey, I was, you know,

1360
01:03:04.323 --> 01:03:06.703
you. So. So there's that,

1361
01:03:07.393 --> 01:03:08.853
And then just the,

1362
01:03:10.223 --> 01:03:12.919
Whenever they do encounter.

1363
01:03:13.111 --> 01:03:15.999
>> Sarah : Wait, wait. You think that that's why she

1364
01:03:16.031 --> 01:03:17.003
feels guilty?

1365
01:03:17.623 --> 01:03:20.559
>> Will: Yes. I mean, as. Yeah, it's just like when. Yeah, I mean, she

1366
01:03:20.591 --> 01:03:23.415
feels guilty because she. You know, at the end of the day, she

1367
01:03:23.439 --> 01:03:26.431
was going to go back to. She. You know, she. She had planned

1368
01:03:26.447 --> 01:03:29.153
to go be with Gambit. Well, I don't think that

1369
01:03:29.193 --> 01:03:32.145
she's. She was going to break. I mean, but

1370
01:03:32.209 --> 01:03:35.081
you know, she broke his heart, but before she got a chance to

1371
01:03:35.097 --> 01:03:38.009
like tell him, no, I'm

1372
01:03:38.041 --> 01:03:40.899
going, you know, m. I'm yours. He got. You know,

1373
01:03:40.931 --> 01:03:43.275
he. All the events happened.

1374
01:03:43.419 --> 01:03:46.331
>> Sarah : Yeah, yeah, no, I understand that, but I

1375
01:03:46.387 --> 01:03:49.251
think she feels more guilty because he literally died

1376
01:03:49.307 --> 01:03:52.139
for her because of.

1377
01:03:52.211 --> 01:03:53.575
>> Will: Yeah, well, yeah, that too.

1378
01:03:53.659 --> 01:03:55.883
>> Sarah : Like, like her anger

1379
01:03:56.263 --> 01:03:59.055
led her charging after the sentinel and

1380
01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:01.999
then he went after her to

1381
01:04:02.031 --> 01:04:04.855
try. So if she didn't, if they

1382
01:04:04.879 --> 01:04:07.615
had stay. Stayed in that tin cup that

1383
01:04:07.639 --> 01:04:10.383
Magneto had like, made for

1384
01:04:10.423 --> 01:04:13.295
her and him, like, like gambit would

1385
01:04:13.319 --> 01:04:15.855
be still alive. So. So I

1386
01:04:15.879 --> 01:04:18.415
understand what you're saying about like,

1387
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:21.415
her not being honest with him about the feelings,

1388
01:04:21.479 --> 01:04:24.323
but on top of that, it's more. More about like,

1389
01:04:25.183 --> 01:04:27.727
her anger in that

1390
01:04:27.775 --> 01:04:30.567
moment led to him self

1391
01:04:30.615 --> 01:04:32.663
sacrifice and so he died for her.

1392
01:04:32.823 --> 01:04:35.815
>> Will: Yeah. Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, I think to your point, I mean, this

1393
01:04:35.839 --> 01:04:38.215
is why this. This. This is a. This is a very

1394
01:04:38.279 --> 01:04:41.197
complex thing. Not only with what's going on with Scott,

1395
01:04:41.245 --> 01:04:43.193
Jean and Madeleine, but also

1396
01:04:43.773 --> 01:04:46.605
now to your. To what's going. What's

1397
01:04:46.629 --> 01:04:49.529
going on with. With Remy and

1398
01:04:49.641 --> 01:04:52.409
rogue. I mean, I think

1399
01:04:52.441 --> 01:04:55.177
both. I think. I mean, I think there's a multitude of reasons why she

1400
01:04:55.225 --> 01:04:58.177
is so hell bent on vengeance at

1401
01:04:58.185 --> 01:04:58.933
this point.

1402
01:04:59.673 --> 01:05:01.853
>> Sarah : Yeah. I don't know.

1403
01:05:04.753 --> 01:05:06.293
Like the

1404
01:05:07.153 --> 01:05:09.633
complexity with Gene and

1405
01:05:09.673 --> 01:05:11.453
Scott is because

1406
01:05:13.313 --> 01:05:15.373
I can see both sides of it

1407
01:05:15.933 --> 01:05:18.805
and I wasn't expecting to see both sides

1408
01:05:18.829 --> 01:05:21.789
of it. And they, they, they brought

1409
01:05:21.821 --> 01:05:24.493
it out over the course of a few different episodes.

1410
01:05:24.653 --> 01:05:25.205
>> Will: Yeah.

1411
01:05:25.309 --> 01:05:28.221
>> Sarah : With, with rogue and her guilt and everything. I

1412
01:05:28.237 --> 01:05:29.913
was totally expecting that.

1413
01:05:33.813 --> 01:05:36.113
It's not that it doesn't make sense,

1414
01:05:36.493 --> 01:05:39.199
it's just so when, when

1415
01:05:39.271 --> 01:05:42.131
I. When I. Sometimes when I watch

1416
01:05:42.187 --> 01:05:43.983
things and they're so simple,

1417
01:05:45.149 --> 01:05:47.997
Or her. Maybe simple is not the right

1418
01:05:48.045 --> 01:05:50.885
word, but when they're complex

1419
01:05:50.949 --> 01:05:53.421
enough. But I also expect these

1420
01:05:53.557 --> 01:05:56.429
characters to have these kind of reactions because of

1421
01:05:56.501 --> 01:05:58.957
a, B and c. Like nothing

1422
01:05:59.045 --> 01:06:01.973
surprising to me. The complexity then gets

1423
01:06:02.013 --> 01:06:04.925
deduced to simplicity and then I'm just like,

1424
01:06:05.069 --> 01:06:07.815
okay, that's like any other show. Like

1425
01:06:07.871 --> 01:06:10.611
of course you have your love triangle.

1426
01:06:10.761 --> 01:06:13.759
And then he ends up dying to save her.

1427
01:06:13.815 --> 01:06:16.751
She's going to feel guilty and then go on a vengeance and lose

1428
01:06:16.791 --> 01:06:19.687
herself. And then at the end the other guys can come

1429
01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:22.687
in and swoop her off. Like. Like I can already see how it's going to play

1430
01:06:22.719 --> 01:06:25.679
out and I don't like seeing how things are going to play out. I can't. I

1431
01:06:25.695 --> 01:06:27.171
shouldn't be able to see the future.

1432
01:06:27.791 --> 01:06:30.051
>> Will: Yeah. Well, I mean, but I mean, we,

1433
01:06:30.817 --> 01:06:33.809
I don't feel that one doesn't get to me as much, to

1434
01:06:33.833 --> 01:06:36.833
be honest. I mean, it's just, yes, it's predictable.

1435
01:06:36.905 --> 01:06:39.877
Yes, it's, but it's a natural reaction of what

1436
01:06:40.427 --> 01:06:43.251
someone would feel. So, so, I

1437
01:06:43.259 --> 01:06:46.019
mean, I'm not gonna give them the merits just because they're doing the

1438
01:06:46.043 --> 01:06:48.907
obvious. I mean, I think it's just like, you know, how it's

1439
01:06:48.947 --> 01:06:51.763
executed to like for your, for example, you know,

1440
01:06:51.795 --> 01:06:54.491
she did kill and you know, what's,

1441
01:06:54.539 --> 01:06:57.475
what's going to be the consequences of these actions that

1442
01:06:57.491 --> 01:06:59.979
she's undertaken. You know, you know, throw throwing

1443
01:07:00.003 --> 01:07:02.971
caps, shield to who knows where and

1444
01:07:03.099 --> 01:07:06.099
you know, I mean, that's a little small thing, but, but I think to,

1445
01:07:06.163 --> 01:07:08.971
you know, again, doing

1446
01:07:09.019 --> 01:07:11.979
all these actions, there's going to be consequences of it.

1447
01:07:12.003 --> 01:07:14.971
So that, so yeah, she did the predictable

1448
01:07:15.019 --> 01:07:17.887
thing, but, yeah, but

1449
01:07:18.187 --> 01:07:19.755
something's going to, you know, she's going to have.

1450
01:07:19.771 --> 01:07:22.099
>> Sarah : To pay for it potentially.

1451
01:07:22.243 --> 01:07:23.139
>> Will: Potentially.

1452
01:07:23.283 --> 01:07:25.567
>> Sarah : Like, see, see, that's where,

1453
01:07:26.587 --> 01:07:29.247
I know where I stand with this show because

1454
01:07:30.307 --> 01:07:33.171
I am not viewing this as

1455
01:07:33.299 --> 01:07:36.139
well. There's going to be consequences. I'm viewing as like

1456
01:07:36.203 --> 01:07:37.507
you. okay, cool.

1457
01:07:38.687 --> 01:07:41.623
I guess my faith that there will

1458
01:07:41.655 --> 01:07:44.495
be consequences because of other things that

1459
01:07:44.511 --> 01:07:47.455
I've seen, I'm like, will there be consequences? I don't really know. I

1460
01:07:47.471 --> 01:07:50.383
don't really trust, I don't have that trust in the

1461
01:07:50.415 --> 01:07:53.063
writers that there's going to be a consequence to this

1462
01:07:53.175 --> 01:07:55.787
because I don't even know if they're going to address it again.

1463
01:07:56.527 --> 01:07:59.351
or if they're going to address it in an interesting way.

1464
01:07:59.399 --> 01:08:02.131
They could just do a stereotypical thing.

1465
01:08:02.319 --> 01:08:04.843
>> Will: I, this show has had some twists and

1466
01:08:04.875 --> 01:08:07.819
turns that as we discussed

1467
01:08:07.843 --> 01:08:10.739
earlier tonight, they have done, you know, we've watched a lot of comic book shows

1468
01:08:10.763 --> 01:08:13.331
and they've done some things like, for example, the thing

1469
01:08:13.379 --> 01:08:16.259
like we were discussing with Scott and Gene.

1470
01:08:16.283 --> 01:08:19.243
They're going to take it places where we haven't

1471
01:08:19.275 --> 01:08:21.923
seen done in other shows. So I think

1472
01:08:21.955 --> 01:08:23.647
we'll, I think we may get that.

1473
01:08:24.827 --> 01:08:27.779
>> Sarah : Yeah. Yeah, I just, I

1474
01:08:27.923 --> 01:08:30.643
question it and, and I think

1475
01:08:30.755 --> 01:08:33.181
your, perspective makes sense based

1476
01:08:33.229 --> 01:08:36.109
on everything you just said and

1477
01:08:36.133 --> 01:08:38.845
like how you're viewing it and fact

1478
01:08:38.901 --> 01:08:41.861
that you have always loved cyclops. Okay, so let's just

1479
01:08:41.909 --> 01:08:44.741
like spin like role reversal

1480
01:08:44.789 --> 01:08:47.765
here. So they're basically doing justice to your

1481
01:08:47.821 --> 01:08:50.549
storyline. My storyline is not

1482
01:08:50.613 --> 01:08:53.533
getting justice, my friend. So if roles were

1483
01:08:53.565 --> 01:08:55.657
reversed, I think we would be seeing.

1484
01:08:57.997 --> 01:09:00.813
>> Will: That's fair. That's fair. But that's what's, well,

1485
01:09:00.845 --> 01:09:03.741
that's that's why I love doing this podcast with you, because we can.

1486
01:09:03.829 --> 01:09:06.693
We can tear apart. We could pick apart and, like,

1487
01:09:06.765 --> 01:09:09.573
you know, one week it's my favorite character gets theirs,

1488
01:09:09.605 --> 01:09:12.137
there's moment of sun, and next week is yours.

1489
01:09:12.597 --> 01:09:15.501
>> Sarah : I don't know. I mean, baby, that was

1490
01:09:15.549 --> 01:09:18.213
true. Remember, it would have hit a lot. I would have

1491
01:09:18.245 --> 01:09:18.925
cried.

1492
01:09:19.101 --> 01:09:19.861
>> Will: Yeah.

1493
01:09:20.029 --> 01:09:22.853
>> Sarah : The thing I told. Totally should

1494
01:09:22.885 --> 01:09:25.773
have cried during remember it?

1495
01:09:25.885 --> 01:09:28.617
And I was just watching, like, what

1496
01:09:29.477 --> 01:09:30.083
I. Yeah.

1497
01:09:30.083 --> 01:09:33.075
>> Will: like I said earlier about. Remember it hit me. Like

1498
01:09:33.107 --> 01:09:36.027
I said, it did hit. It did hit, but

1499
01:09:36.123 --> 01:09:39.123
for different reasons. Yeah, yeah,

1500
01:09:39.171 --> 01:09:42.109
but, Yeah, but, yeah, it wasn't. Yeah, I wasn't on. I

1501
01:09:42.125 --> 01:09:45.109
wasn't on the floor like I was during the last of us. And, you

1502
01:09:45.125 --> 01:09:47.909
know, maybe I would have been when. If I watched

1503
01:09:47.925 --> 01:09:50.899
it, you know, along with everybody else. Or maybe not. I

1504
01:09:50.995 --> 01:09:51.831
don't know.

1505
01:09:53.371 --> 01:09:55.859
>> Sarah : Hey. Hey. Well, we. We

1506
01:09:55.915 --> 01:09:58.779
know that I do cry because

1507
01:09:58.875 --> 01:10:01.523
I admitted that I cried last

1508
01:10:01.587 --> 01:10:04.283
episode of one day earlier this

1509
01:10:04.347 --> 01:10:06.899
year, which. My God.

1510
01:10:07.075 --> 01:10:09.791
And I knew. See, this is the thing again,

1511
01:10:10.091 --> 01:10:13.051
like, I knew that story, and for

1512
01:10:13.091 --> 01:10:15.957
whatever reason, I knew exactly was going to happen. I didn't

1513
01:10:15.989 --> 01:10:18.901
even die at the. Spoiler alert. Spoil

1514
01:10:19.021 --> 01:10:21.837
alert. At the death scene. I died at the

1515
01:10:21.989 --> 01:10:24.205
funeral. Morning sequences.

1516
01:10:24.373 --> 01:10:25.197
>> Will: Yeah.

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>> Sarah : It's the most bizarre thing ever,

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and it's just like. But it hit me

1519
01:10:31.581 --> 01:10:34.531
in a different way, that I was

1520
01:10:34.571 --> 01:10:37.243
watching. I didn't even cry during the third episode of

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01:10:37.267 --> 01:10:39.751
succession. So, like,

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01:10:40.291 --> 01:10:43.145
it's, But. But I could

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01:10:43.193 --> 01:10:46.097
say, like, I'm

1524
01:10:46.249 --> 01:10:49.161
familiar enough with rogue and gambit where I

1525
01:10:49.201 --> 01:10:52.105
should have felt a little bit

1526
01:10:52.153 --> 01:10:54.461
more. Maybe not tears, but.

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But so, yeah.

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>> Will: what I actually felt, though, was anger.

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I was. No, I was. And again, I

1530
01:11:02.927 --> 01:11:05.863
think. And as I said earlier this evening, I think it

1531
01:11:05.887 --> 01:11:08.751
was this more. More because of, like,

1532
01:11:09.091 --> 01:11:12.003
the way that it did hit me, because it did remind me

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01:11:12.027 --> 01:11:14.571
of, like, real life things that has happened.

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01:11:14.731 --> 01:11:17.643
>> Sarah : Well, yeah, you were focused more on what I should

1535
01:11:17.667 --> 01:11:20.459
have been focused on. The genocide of it all. I was not

1536
01:11:20.515 --> 01:11:23.483
focused on the genocide of it all. I was focused on two very

1537
01:11:23.547 --> 01:11:26.235
specific characters. And I think that's

1538
01:11:26.283 --> 01:11:29.271
where your reaction

1539
01:11:30.011 --> 01:11:32.683
is more invested in that bigger

1540
01:11:32.747 --> 01:11:35.679
story point and the genocide and

1541
01:11:35.835 --> 01:11:38.735
killing mutants and all of that stuff

1542
01:11:38.903 --> 01:11:41.839
where me, I was just focused mainly

1543
01:11:41.895 --> 01:11:44.839
on the dynamics, inner relationships of magneto,

1544
01:11:44.895 --> 01:11:47.731
rogue and gambit and.

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01:11:48.031 --> 01:11:50.931
And not really necessarily even

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01:11:52.391 --> 01:11:55.231
painted trying to look at it from, like, the hundred

1547
01:11:55.311 --> 01:11:58.167
foot level of, like, the bigger implications of the

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01:11:58.199 --> 01:11:59.639
event as a whole.

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>> Will: So.

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>> Sarah : So, anyway, well,

1551
01:12:03.747 --> 01:12:06.603
that is our discussion of those four episodes. We will be

1552
01:12:06.627 --> 01:12:09.411
back next week with the conclusion the

1553
01:12:09.451 --> 01:12:12.307
three parter. And on that note, will, why don't you tell

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01:12:12.339 --> 01:12:14.195
our listeners where they can find you?

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01:12:14.363 --> 01:12:17.123
>> Will: Yes, you can find me on x, formally known as

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twitterillandpolk

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willmmpolk.

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>> Sarah : And you can find me there too. at SJ Belmont

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01:12:26.517 --> 01:12:29.343
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01:12:29.407 --> 01:12:32.007
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01:12:34.307 --> 01:12:37.273
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01:12:37.297 --> 01:12:39.961
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